Beck’s solution for New Orleans: More guns.
By on Aug 29th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Beck’s solution for New Orleans: More guns.
As the pace of reconstruction in New Orleans slows, the crime rate in New Orleans has increased. Rather than focus on addressing the horrible conditions facing the region’s residents, right-wing pundit Glenn Beck offers an alternative solution: give them guns. “There’s not enough guns in New Orleans,” Beck claims. He said he envisions “an exchange program” where willing donors pay for guns for poor people in New Orleans. “You come on my program, say I’m poor, I am a law-abiding citizen, I don’t have a record, blah, blah, blah, I’ll match you with a donor that will buy a gun,” he said.
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Oddly this is the exact same solution I have for Beck
August 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmHighly, highly illegal. He needs to look up “straw purchase” at the BATF site.
H.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAK-47’s and two ammo clips for all. Help reduce the “excess” population and all.
/snark
August 29th, 2007 at 2:24 pmMaybe freedom warrior Ted Nugent can donate some of those machine guns he was waving around, that is if he’s done telling people to suck on them.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:24 pmBeck:
“..blah, blah, blah, I’ll match you with a donor that will buy a gun,â€
“blah, blah, blah, what I didn’t say is that the gun is a Kalishnikov, it’s somewhere in Iraq, and were not exactly sure who has it anymore…”
August 29th, 2007 at 2:24 pmdim wit’s solution for beck: more guns
August 29th, 2007 at 2:25 pmSpeaking of guns, here is a video from the French mime and pro-American blogger, Dissident Frogman, taking the piss out of the AFP (that’s the relentlessly anti-American Associated French Press) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2sAFHBptJE
Funny stuff….
August 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pm“…freedom warrior Ted Nugent…”
All of Ted’s “Journeys To The Center of the Mind”
August 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pmare catching up with him.
TP where is the Hillary campaign secret donor story?
– A Pakistani immigrant is wanted by federal authorities on charges he channeled $30,000 in illegal contributions to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential war chest.
The FBI is hunting Los Angeles businessman Abdul Rehman Jinnah, who vanished soon after his grand-jury indictment for violating federal election laws last May.
–Norman Hsu is one of the leading political fund-raisers in the country this year. In fact, many fund-raisers say he is one of a small handful of people capable of raising more than $1 million — a major feat considering the maximum donation allowed by an individual for 2008 races is $4,600 per candidate.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThat’s a pretty backhanded way to finish what Katrina didn’t. Beck is a preeeek.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pmComment by Bob
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Link please.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:31 pmi agree with beck…..
and now that Bush is there….take away his secret service protection
August 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pmGlen Beck is a douche but at least he understands the Bill of Rights!!
August 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pmthis Beck dude sure has no shortage of horrible Karma. Probably be reading about him in some airport men’s restroom in a few years too.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBeck = Bigot
This guy’s got less class than Larry Craig.
He’s a scared, bigoted little white boy who sees Muslims in his nightmares.
A self proclaimed dry drunk, Beck’s rehab apparently never covered being a human being.
Glenn, give America a break & STFU.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:33 pmblah, blah, blah
That describes most of what comes out of Beck’s mouth
August 29th, 2007 at 2:33 pmhttp://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118835199704811801.html?mod=blog
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03042007/news/nationalnews/pro_clinton_dirty_cash_man_flees_nationalnews_christine_field.htm
August 29th, 2007 at 2:35 pmOnly delusional and hallucinating progressives would deny the irrefutable link between law-abiding citizens possessing guns and a direct decrease in crime, despite the fact that studies attest to this. Since logic isn’t a progressive’s strong suit, I’ll break it down for their infantile minds: carrying guns for personal protection purposes actually prevents crimes because law-abiding citizens now have the means to defend themselves against the criminals who wield firearms. The fact that New Orleans still is impotently failing to rebuild itself in a timely fashion after more than two years and billions after billions of government subsidies reflects on the quality of the lowlife citizens there. The problem isn’t a need for money; the problem is the barbaric ineptitude with which government bureaucracy (local and state Dems) allocates that money to New Orleans. The problem is that New Orleans minorities are entitlement-minded so instead of helping themselves, they stupidly sit around and expect the government to do it for them!
August 29th, 2007 at 2:36 pmBob & Ringo, I thought we were talking about Beck being a pro-gun violence idiot…. rather than defend, all trollz now-a-days can do is thread jack… either defend or attack Beck, or stfu.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThanks Bob.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:36 pmSoros-linked group hit with huge fine
The Federal Election Commission has fined one of the last cycle’s biggest liberal political action committees $775,000 for using unregulated soft money to boost John Kerry and other Democratic candidates during the 2004 elections.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThese are types news stories TP will not investigate because Dems are involved with hanky panky.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:38 pmactually. WhydidblacksvoteNaginbackin? , I live in NYC. And the more stringent our anti-guns laws have become, the safer the streets are. I’ve seen 20 years of antigun laws, and 20 years of increased safety and decreased crime.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pmIf TP doesn’t care for people to defend themselves, what surefire solution to this crime wave do they propose?
If TP is against everything, they stand for nothing.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pmBeck sucks it that good enuh?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pmComment by miatch,
On Topic – If criminals knew that most law abiding citizens had guns, there would be less crime.
It’s a fact.
As for Beck’s idea of giving them out, well, that’s probably not the best plan.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:41 pmIf TP doesn’t care for people to defend themselves, what surefire solution to this crime wave do they propose?
If TP is against everything, they stand for nothing.
Comment by Statistico — August 29, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
How about a competent police force and functioning judicial system? It’s a better solution than mob rule and vigilante justice, don’t you think?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:43 pmReally Ringo? Got any stats to back that up? Did all the legal guns in Texase stop Bush’s supporters at Enron from committing their crimes?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:43 pmOn Topic – If criminals knew that most law abiding citizens had guns, there would be less crime. Comment by Ringo — August 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Or the crimes would be more deadly, as statistics have borne out.
It’s a fact. Comment by Ringo — August 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Actually a ‘fact’ would show statistical causality of your anecdotal assumptions. You didn’t do that, so no, it isn’t a ‘fact’, it’s your OPINION.
As for Beck’s idea of giving them out, well, that’s probably not the best plan. Comment by Ringo — August 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Well DUH, you wingnuts never have good plans.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYou know, If you listened to the show you would know he was joking.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYou know, If you listened to the show you would know he was joking.Comment by Kevin — August 29, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Yeah, just like OReilly was joking about wanting to blow up SF, and the rest of your SICK wingnut jokes… That’s not a JOKE, it’s an underhanded wink, wink, for you lunatics to go act criminally.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by toasterhead — August 29, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
We stand for law-abiding citizens being able to own weapons as they choose, don’t you think?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pmGlenn Beck may be the biggest jerkoff on TV (Ok, in reality he’s probably about third after Falafel and Hannity), but, what’s your point? Almost every study done over the last 15 years shows either no correlation between legal gun ownership and crime or actually shows a reduction in crime. A few that are for gun control (the famous Kellerman study (1986) that said you’re 43 times more likely…Kellerman even refused to release his data after it came into dispute and admitted to using methodology not defined at the beginning of the study!).
But more importantly, all the angst over gun control just hasn’t come true. All the wailing that blood would run in the streets, and gunfights all over, and return to the old west just haven’t happened. LEGAL gun owners have some of the lowest demographic crime rates of any demo. We now have 40 right to carry states, and the doomsday people keep coming back.
So, I don’t think it’s a good idea to pay for guns for poor people, I don’t see more guns as a bad thing.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by Ringo — August 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
I see that “everyone having guns will cut down on crime” solution is working quite well in Iraq. Iraq should be our role model.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYou know, If you listened to the show…
N E V E R gonna happen.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmactually. WhydidblacksvoteNaginbackin? , I live in NYC. And the more stringent our anti-guns laws have become, the safer the streets are. I’ve seen 20 years of antigun laws, and 20 years of increased safety and decreased crime.
Comment by miatch — August 29, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
WAIT!! Wouldn’t you feel safer if there were a whole battalion of WhydidblacksvoteNaginbackin’s running around with assault rifles and about 1,000 rounds of steel jacket ammo in midtown Manhattan?
I know I sure would!!!!
August 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“LEGAL gun owners have some of the lowest demographic crime rates of any demo.”
Well, duh! You can’t be a legal gun owner if you commit crimes. Legal walkers are the least likely to jaywalk. Driver’s license owners are the least likely to drive without a license, too.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pmmiatch,
That’s interesting. Violent crime is up over the last two years in new york. Besides that, your post implies causation. Do you actually have evidence for that?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWe stand for law-abiding citizens being able to own weapons as they choose, don’t you think?
Comment by Statistico — August 29, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Sure, it’s a lovely idea. And how do you propose keeping those guns out of the hands of non-law-abiding citizens?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBeautiful misdirection. There is, last I checked, a war going on there. So I’m not sure that qualifies as the best place to study the subject. But maybe.
On the other hand, Britain, Canada, and Australia all have rapidly increasing violent crime rates (including illegal guns), and have very tight gun controls.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:51 pmnoops:
of course we don’t have evidence of causation. There are a million causes for crime going down “OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS” in New York, not just the gun laws. I actually think the biggest key was Clinton giving federal money to increase our police force in the 1990s. There is also quite a bit more money flowing through this town today then in the 1980s.
But the point is, guns and crime have both decreased. So, stating that more guns = less crime is bs.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:53 pmYeah, just like OReilly was joking about wanting to blow up SF, and the rest of your SICK wingnut jokes… That’s not a JOKE, it’s an underhanded wink, wink, for you lunatics to go act criminally.
Comment by RingoDingo — August 29, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
agree with beck…..
and now that Bush is there….take away his secret service protection
Comment by rasta — August 29, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Is Rasta going to kill GW? Or was he jokeing?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:54 pmThese are types news stories TP will not investigate because Dems are involved with hanky panky.
Comment by Bob
Poor Bob, you have to wait months, sometimes years for “these types (sic) news stories…”
August 29th, 2007 at 2:57 pmRepublicans provide these types daily……..
It’s kind of amazing that you’ve admitted no evidence of causation but your willing to state that “more guns = less crime is bs.” Not sure we should implement policy on that.
On the other hand, Right to Carry states have significantly reduced violent crime rates (total violent crime by 22%; murder, 30%; robbery, 46%; and aggravated assault, 12%) according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics and the FBI. On top of that, during the last 20 years that you mention, an additional 20 states have gone “right to carry.”
So, while I’m not necessarily implying causation either, it’s not immediately clear that “more guns = less crime is bs.” Since there are, in fact, more guns and less crime.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pmthe solution is always by the end of a gun. shock and awe. it’s so republican.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI own more guns than Rove owns elections, but not one of them has ever shot a person.
Can Cheney make the same claim?
Gun control is about the shooter, not the weapon.
Beck is a piece of shit, and should not be trusted.
So is Bush.
But I’d rather hunt with them than Cheney.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThere is, last I checked, a war going on there. So I’m not sure that qualifies as the best place to study the subject. But maybe.
Comment by noops
I think thats the best example for the “lets have a gun” idiocy. A country full of guns and weapons, everywhere. Hardly a way to pacify anything.
Maybe we should take a very peaceful country as an example, but… why should anyone want guns in a peaceful country?
August 29th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI see that “everyone having guns will cut down on crime†solution is working quite well in Iraq. Iraq should be our role model.
Comment by dim wit
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Doesn’t seem to work so well in a tribal Arab / Muslim society….at least not until one tribe dominates all the others.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:11 pmSince there are, in fact, more guns and less crime.
Comment by noops
Links.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWhen my house got broken into ($20,000 of music equipment *sob*) You know what the first thing the police asked me?
“Did you have any guns?”
They informed me that firearms are the number one target for burglaries. Even before jewelry and cash.
all too often thee only effect buying a gun has is putting it into the hands of a criminal.
And as for conservatives ‘jokes’: Usually when someone tells a joke, it’s because they believe the opposite. Except in the conservatives case. Their jokes are curiously similar to the schoolyard bully’s ‘joke’: ‘Hey, four-eyes!’ ‘Get a load of tub-o-lard!’ ‘Hey, girl! You got buck teeth! Buck buck buck!”
August 29th, 2007 at 3:12 pmfunny that only the bullies–the Rerpublicans–think they’re funny.
Doesn’t seem to work so well in a tribal Arab / Muslim society….at least not until one tribe dominates all the others.
Comment by Ringo
Funny. US isnt Arab/Muslim, yet is the country with more murders by guns.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:13 pmSince there are, in fact, more guns and less crime.
Comment by noops — August 29, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Just because there are more right to carry states doesn’t mean there are more guns. Unless of course you have proof that by passing right to carry laws, more people started owning guns. Do you?
August 29th, 2007 at 3:15 pmActually we are 24th (According to nation master web site)
August 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pmDoesn’t seem to work so well in a tribal Arab / Muslim society….at least not until one tribe dominates all the others.
Comment by Ringo — August 29, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
So the US is a tribal society? Because we have more guns per-capita than any industrialized nation, and the highest crime rates!
August 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pmLinks as requested:
Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy regarding correlation to crime and firearms ownership rates:
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-30790761_ITM
Recent study on worldwide ownership rates:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-08-28T174254Z_01_L28348938_RTRUKOC_0_US-WORLD-FIREARMS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22&sp=true
As for FBI and BJS, go to their website and search for the September 2006 report on crime stats (Uniform Crime Report) and firearms ownership. Easy to find.
Also according to FBI and ATF:
August 29th, 2007 at 3:26 pm- From 1991-2005 the number of privately owned guns increased by more than 70 million.
And come on, really. It took me about 30 seconds to find out that wasn’t true. If you’re going to at least attempt reasoned discourse, do the basic modicum or research.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:28 pmActually we are 24th (According to nation master web site)
Comment by noops
Is that this website that shows US in the 10th place…and first place of developed countries?
August 29th, 2007 at 3:31 pmJuan, you are being intellectually dishonest. You didn’t say “developed countries with more murders by guns.” In fact, you compared it to any Arab/Muslim country, some of which are not considered developed. What BS that is, and now you’re splitting hairs. Cute. Just what the Republicans do on things like abortion, economics.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:34 pmComment by noops
I should have specified. I agree.
Still I think my argument is still valid.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:40 pmWouldn’t work.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThe poor people would trade their guns to criminals for food.
What a baffoon.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:55 pmBeck’s a sophomoric idiot who likes getting attention. Ignore him.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:56 pmNo. No. Wait. Wait! Beck may actually have something here. Why don’t we go ahead and distribute arms directly from the National Guard armories. Yeah. That’s it. If enough people are armed to the teeth, that will definitely control the violence. Maybe that’s the strategy we should use everywhere. Hey. How about in Iraq? Why don’t we get a lot more weapons out there on the streets? Yeah. That’s it. More weapons on the streets of Baghdad…That’ll do her. The inescapable logic of the Becks of the world.
August 29th, 2007 at 5:00 pmHey. How about in Iraq? Why don’t we get a lot more weapons out there on the streets? Yeah. That’s it. More weapons on the streets of Baghdad…That’ll do her. The inescapable logic of the Becks of the world.
Comment by philjames — August 29, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Actually, we already did that. We left 190,000 AK-47’s and pistols as well as body armor and helmets on the Will Call dock and see what it did? No more violence in Iraq!
August 29th, 2007 at 5:20 pmAlways with the guns. Tough guys prefer to get their hands dirty.
August 29th, 2007 at 5:27 pmLets follow this logic to its insane conclusion. If guns make streets safe, then we can eliminate police forces completely if we give every man, woman and child a gun! Then everyone will be completely safe! And we can make them safer by providing really, really large caliber weapons! Smaller people can be made safer by being given automatic weapons and a copious supply of ammunition! Taxes drop, due to the dismissal of the police force. Employment goes up as there will be fewer people living, thereby increasing the demand for workers. Urban renewal becomes an ongoing process due to the never-ending firefights. Construction goes up as the demand for bunkers goes through the ceiling! Let people get flame throwers and you eliminate the need to clean up the bodies! Yes, this logic is truly insane and its ending absurd. However, even more absurd is that there are people who are nuts enough to buy into it. What a world!
August 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmSo the US is a tribal society? Because we have more guns per-capita than any industrialized nation, and the highest crime rates!
Comment by RingoDingo
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We used to have the highest crime rates, but not anymore.
Once safe European cities such as Paris and London are now more dangerous than most American cities…..In fact, the Muslim dominated areas around Paris are among the most dangerous places on Earth….Same thing goes for the city of Malmo, in Sweden.
August 29th, 2007 at 6:14 pmBest way to protect your home is to have a large dog (or two) in the yard and a ‘beware of dog’ sign on your fence.
August 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmBest way to protect my home is to be armed with a sign in the yard that says; Republicans and other criminals found on this property without lawful reason will be proscecuted to the fullest extent of my Ruger.
August 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI can assure you all, there are plenty of guns in New Orleans. Plenty.
Beck is an idiot.
August 29th, 2007 at 7:01 pmThat’s the conservative solution to everything-either shopping or guns.
August 29th, 2007 at 7:04 pmBest way to protect your home is to have a large dog (or two) in the yard and a ‘beware of dog’ sign on your fence.
Comment by Ringo
It’s also a good way to let others know you are a fearful and cravenly coward who will thinks only of guarding his posessions!
August 29th, 2007 at 7:18 pmDon’t fear, we’ll not come near.
It’s also a good way to let others know you are a fearful and cravenly coward who will thinks only of guarding his posessions!
Comment by Raven
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Huh?
August 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pm“There’s not enough guns in New Orleans,†Beck claims. He said he envisions “an exchange program†where willing donors pay for guns for poor people in New Orleans. “You come on my program, say I’m poor, I am a law-abiding citizen, I don’t have a record, blah, blah, blah, I’ll match you with a donor that will buy a gun…â€
This guy would be viewed as psycho in most other developed countries.
1. The short term solution for crime is more policing.
2. The long term solution is better education and opportunites.
“More guns” is obviously not the solution. But these guys are employed to market goods and services to the uneducated looney extreme right wingers who have been brainwashed by American propaganda and don’t even have a grasp on reality. They need to travel more.
August 29th, 2007 at 7:48 pmHuh?
Comment by Ringo
maybe you’d better get three dogs……
August 29th, 2007 at 9:13 pmIt just the republican answer to all questions: More Jesus. More Guns.
August 29th, 2007 at 9:29 pmdoes beck eat pretzels? how about running into traffic? sniff glue? race the mean rottweiler? mooning cops? gotta be somethin’.must be some REAL justice out there somewhere.
August 29th, 2007 at 9:47 pm“AK-47’s and two ammo clips for all. Help reduce the “excess†population and all.
/snark
Comment by Krazny — August 29, 2007″
I watched the program (as I do every day) and he never suggested such a stupid thing!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:26 pm” “..blah, blah, blah, I’ll match you with a donor that will buy a gun,â€
“blah, blah, blah, what I didn’t say is that the gun is a Kalishnikov, it’s somewhere in Iraq, and were not exactly sure who has it anymore…â€
Comment by Raven — August 29, 2007″
He was talking about New Orleans!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:28 pm“dim wit’s solution for beck: more guns
Comment by dim wit — August 29, 2007″
What is the solution?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:28 pm“TP where is the Hillary campaign secret donor story?
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007″
Don’t wait for a post by TP that embarrasses Hillary and don’t wait for a post by TP that talks about Fidel endorsing the lesbian and the muslim!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:31 pm“Beck is a preeeek.
Comment by doro — August 29, 2007″
He is? Why?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pm“does beck eat pretzels? how about running into traffic? sniff glue? race the mean rottweiler? mooning cops? gotta be somethin’.must be some REAL justice out there somewhere.
Comment by anonymous — August 29, 2007″
Got some reasons why you feel that way about him, except typical liberal rhetoric?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:34 pm“More Jesus. More Guns.
Comment by ted — August 29, 2007″
How about providing some examples?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:35 pm“The long term solution is better education.
Comment by Martin Gifford — August 29, 2007″
Where are they going to get that? Public schools? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmOh, Beck. You, man,you. Just Baghdad New Orleans. What a man. What a wonderful cowboy conservative perspective. Vigilante justice. I can see it now. You and Tucker take on the perverts in mens rooms around the nation. Him with his fists and calls to the police. You with your big .44 and the patriot Act. Admit it though, big boy, something about that macho Tucker telling of his manhandling of that creep who attacked him in the bathroom, turned you on a little. Something spoke to that little republican in you. I’ll bet you were warming your big .44 while watching. Now, it just seems that you can’t quit that Tucker, doesn’t it Beck?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:05 amYou and Tucker take on the perverts in mens rooms around the nation. Him with his fists and calls to the police. You with your big .44 and the patriot Act. Admit it though, big boy, something about that macho Tucker telling of his manhandling of that creep who attacked him in the bathroom, turned you on a little. Something spoke to that little republican in you. I’ll bet you were warming your big .44 while watching. Now, it just seems that you can’t quit that Tucker, doesn’t it Beck?
Comment by Quizmos — August 30, 2007″
See? Public school education!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:31 ambout time we start killing some thug liberals
August 30th, 2007 at 12:33 amdear thinkprogress
why do you give this man any thought at all. he’s not worth the time or the brain waves to think about. He’s a jerk. end of story. let him roll around in his own filth like coulter and eventually when we all stop giving a damn what nonsense comes out of his mouth he’ll just fade away.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:18 amthey could start by giving new orleans citizens their guns back that the police/nat’l guard confiscated from them in the aftermath of the hurricane.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:31 pmYou people are insane. Besides putting what he said out of context can you please tell me what was wrong with that? Criminals are less likely to attack because they are cowards. If someone has a gun they will be far less likely to attack that person. Use some common sense guys. :)
August 31st, 2007 at 12:13 am