Commanders ‘divided’ over way forward in Iraq.
Commanders ‘divided’ over way forward in Iraq.
McClatchy reports:
In a sign that top commanders are divided over what course to pursue in Iraq, the Pentagon said Wednesday that it won’t make a single, unified recommendation to President Bush during next month’s strategy assessment, but instead will allow top commanders to make individual presentations. […]
Military analysts called the move unusual for an institution that ordinarily does not air its differences in public, especially while its troops are deployed in combat. […]
[Military analyst Jeffrey] White said it suggests that the military commanders want to be able to distance themselves from Iraq strategy by making it clear that whatever course is followed is the president’s decision, not what commanders agreed on.
UPDATE: Daily Kos diarist The Angry Rakkasan writes, “Pentagon Gives Up; Hands War Over to Bush.”
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military commanders want to be able to distance themselves from Iraq strategy by making it clear that whatever course is followed is the president’s decision, not what commanders agreed on.
So, in other words, the pResident LIED when he claimed he was letting the commanders make the decisions.
No wonder Iraq is such a fscking mess……..
August 29th, 2007 at 10:06 pmMustering up their courage no doubt to face der Führer.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:06 pmWOW. How are the swiftboaters going to tackle the job of smearing these guys?
August 29th, 2007 at 10:09 pmso that means they are finally admitting that none of them have a clue what to do next?? - ‘divided over a way forward’? - which means there is no progress and things are going backwards,right? - exact opposite of everything we’ve been hearing
August 29th, 2007 at 10:09 pmStalin redux.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:10 pmAre you telling me that the military is getting sick of King ( I follow the generals on the ground crap) George blaming the generals, and everybody else, instead of the King taking the blame himself?
Harry Truman(the buck stops here) would be sooo proud to know the Chimpster compares himself to our former president!!
August 29th, 2007 at 10:11 pmtranslation: it ain’t f*cking workin’!
August 29th, 2007 at 10:11 pmBut…..Bush said he listens to the generals on the ground. Now I’m all confused.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:12 pmNow Mr. Bush gets to be The Decider - this should be fun.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:13 pmThe progtards are in mortal danger of purposefully misconstruing this simple article of three paragraphs. McClatchy newspapers–like Gannett–are radicalized, liberal fanatics, so it’s no surprise that their examination of the way military commanders will make their recommendations is laced with nothing but ideological spin. The one, true, correct interpretation here is that Bush ought to be praised for his tolerant openness in permitting all these different commanders to give their various viewpoints about strategy. Progtarded misinterpretations on these boards range from the BS that the strategy “ain’t” working, or that the commanders want to distance themselves from fact that it’s Bush ultimate decision. However, it’s only Bush’s ultimate decision because he’s the CiC, not because the military wants to “distance” themselves from the Iraq strategy and make it clear that their decision wasn’t followed. Progtards should be fair and admit Bush is consistent for listening to ALL his generals: that’s why he permits their differing views in these assessments!
August 29th, 2007 at 10:26 pmNext, the Scapegoater-in-Chief’s going to be blaming Barney.
Wait until the first confirmed death of a soldier by those unaccounted-for weapons. It will be an inter-agency bloodbath, with blame frantically being pointed in every direction.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThis is not exactly a tremendous act of courage by our military’s elite. This is what happened during the Vietnam War, when the warlords of that time period deferred their decision making, with almost no protest at all, to LBJ and Nixon. Those military leaders in the Pentagon should tell Bush very firmly that if Bush insists upon taking this country upon its present course, that they will resign their positions and let the media know that Bush’s divine decisions are taking this country on the road to disaster.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:27 pm“Progtards should be fair and admit Bush is consistent for listening to ALL his generals: that’s why he permits their differing views in these assessments!”
Comment by Forprogressives
And then smears-by-proxy any who disagree.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:30 pm#10
Wasn’t there some General Shayaski( I know I’m close, but not exact) that said we needed 400,000+ troops to go into Iraq successfully, and was canned right afterwards?
August 29th, 2007 at 10:32 pmBig time CYA move by the Brass.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:37 pmProgtards should be fair and admit Bush is consistent for listening to ALL his generals: that’s why he permits their differing views in these assessments!
Comment by ForprogressivesnothingbutUSlossisacceptable — August 29, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
And yet he heeds the advice of none.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:37 pmGWB is the one phenomenon that the founding fathers believed could have never happened under the set of checks and balances they encoded into the Constitution. What if the Executive branch simply ignored the document and used the armed forces to subvert the nation under the guise of being Commander in Chief? They never imagined that our forces would be stationed a half world away in a war of suppression. After all, we were destined to be a bastion of freedom, not a yoke of oppression like that we had cast from our shores.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:41 pmI have read earlier someone stating the tired line of “it was a mistake to go in but since we are there” line. I would like to know what exactly they think can be accomplished if we stay there….and I don’t mean nebulous fantasy ideas…I mean concrete goals. I think it was Francois…but any person who thinks as such can chime in.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:41 pmThe White House will make the decision, as usual. No change, but more bullsh_t. Period.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:42 pmComment by barkleyg — August 29, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
Right on - General Shinseki http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1226-28.htm
August 29th, 2007 at 10:44 pmWait until the first confirmed death of a soldier by those unaccounted-for weapons. It will be an inter-agency bloodbath, with blame frantically being pointed in every direction.
Comment by barfly
How do we know this hasn’t already happened? It would be very easy to cover up. Look what they did with Pat Tillman.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:47 pmLook what they did with Pat Tillman.
Executive privilege prevents us from looking at what they did with Pat Tillman.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWhen these generals get done either being swiftboated or just plain bail, Dubya will have to put on his inflatable codpiece and personally go lead the troops. Now that would be worth the price ofadmission, except for all the poor brave troops that would have to follow that AWOL Commander Guy.troops
A truly sad day for America and for the US military, of which I was a part.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:50 pmComment by ForprogressivesnothingbutUSlossisacceptable — August 29, 2007
NO ONE wants to read your LONG LIES.
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P.S. Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK and a WAR CRIMINAL and needs to be in jail for the rest of his life, until his Master Satan calls.
Succintly put.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:50 pmComment by barfly
Problem is, they thought it was so important to get the weapons into the hands of whomever that the serial numbers weren’t even recorded. Convenient…I would say. Make some bucks and no trace. The mafia couldn’t have done better.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:51 pm#
The progtards are in mortal danger of purposefully misconstruing this simple article of three paragraphs. McClatchy newspapers–like Gannett–are radicalized, liberal fanatics, so it’s no surprise that their examination of the way military commanders will make their recommendations is laced with nothing but ideological spin. The one, true, correct interpretation here is that Bush ought to be praised for his tolerant openness in permitting all these different commanders to give their various viewpoints about strategy. Progtarded misinterpretations on these boards range from the BS that the strategy “ain’t†working, or that the commanders want to distance themselves from fact that it’s Bush ultimate decision. However, it’s only Bush’s ultimate decision because he’s the CiC, not because the military wants to “distance†themselves from the Iraq strategy and make it clear that their decision wasn’t followed. Progtards should be fair and admit Bush is consistent for listening to ALL his generals: that’s why he permits their differing views in these assessments!
Comment by ForprogressivesnothingbutUSlossisacceptable — August 29, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
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Next time take all of the spaces out of the ramble. Get rid of the
punctuation too. Make it a puzzle, friend. Make it the least bit interesting.
if you can’t make a point, at least make it fun, son.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:53 pm#24
Are you talking about the BUSH MAFIA?
Gramps: Banker for the Nazis
Pops: bigwig with Carlyle Group, Saudi front group
King: draft dodger surrounded by other draft dodgers
August 29th, 2007 at 10:57 pmSounds like some generals aside from toadie Patreus would rather not be the fall guy de jure. In the end, it’s the Commander Guy’s decision anyway. Too bad the dipshit in chief makes his “decisions” based on the same old GI Joe cartoon mag he’s been reading since the age of 10.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThis looks and sounds more like Vietnam everyday. And NO Trolls, not the “Deciders” idea of it either!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:01 pm#27
According to you, Chimpster has now read 2 “books”; My Favorite Lamb(or is it goat) and G I Joe cartoons. That’s 1 more than I knew about.
After all the sad historical analogies he has used, you know he hasn’t read any History books!!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:03 pmComment by ForprogressivesnothingbutUSlossisacceptable — August 29, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
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STFU you spineless little weasel.
Why are you online??? Shouldn’t you be getting your rest for your meeting with the Army recruiter tomorrow? We are facing a war of biblical proportions! The Islamofacists are coming! Uncle Sam needs YOU!!!
Be the man you wish you were, and sign the F*CK up!!!
I did! Now it’s your turn, little man!
If not, then please just STFU. Your opinion doesn’t count.
The Vet
August 29th, 2007 at 11:05 pmComment by barkleyg — August 29, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
I was alluding to the Cosa Nostra but after the generations of illegal activities the Bush family is akin to the mafia….good point.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:10 pmBe the man you wish you were, and sign the F*CK up!!!
I did! Now it’s your turn, little man!
If not, then please just STFU. Your opinion doesn’t count.
The Vet
Comment by Vet — August 29, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
Vet,
These pu$$y trolls won’t sign up to serve. They have every excuse in the book for not signing up. Back in the old days people that backed an idealogy went to to war for it. Young, old, healthy, sick. It doesn’t matter when it is important enough.
Clearly none of these fu*ktards thinks this war is important or they would be doing whatever it takes to get a weapon and a flight to Iraq.
But they don’t because they are just a bunch of blubbering pu$$ies. They always have been and always will be.
Invite one fo them over for a party and they will pu$$ out.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:12 pm# 30
“We are facing a war of biblical proportions! The Islamofacists are coming! Uncle Sam needs YOU!!!”
This is the crap that King Georges spews every day. Now let me ask any reasonable person:
If this was really true, and our King really, really believed it, and all the commanders say our troops are stretched thin, don’t you think we should have a draft to save our country from the coming Islamistfacist enemy?
If I believed this crap and was President, I know I would have a draft to get everyman or woman who could help defend our country
in the armed services to protect us.
If our boy King really, really believes this crap, he should be impeached for derilection of duty
August 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pmHeh. As if what the military experts conclude and recommend will make a difference to what George W. Bush will do.
Fool me once…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — August 29, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
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I know, my friend. That’s why I post the same thing every chance I get. I want to make them think (if that’s possible).
So, all you little trolls out there: Why are you online??? Get your rest and go visit your local recruiter tomorrow. Uncle Sam needs you for YOUR war against Islamofacism. Be the man you wish you were and be ARMY STRONG!!!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pm#30 — Sorry you missed my sarcasm…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:18 pmI meant no insult to #30. I loved the way he phrased this sentance, which as I said, the Chimpster spouts every day.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:19 pm#
#30 — Sorry you missed my sarcasm…
Comment by Vet — August 29, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
August 29th, 2007 at 11:19 pm——————
I meant #32. Oops.
Be the man you wish you were, and sign the F*CK up!!!
I did! Now it’s your turn, little man!
If not, then please just STFU. Your opinion doesn’t count.
The Vet
Comment by Vet
Yeah, azzwipe, tell that to Dick Cheney, George aWol Bush, Tom Delay, Rush, Bill O’Dildo, Glenn Beck, etc.
Until then STFU, as YOUR opinion is that of supporting a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA and his PNAC WAR CRIMINALS.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWow, I got four references to my post #30. I can feel the love….or is that confusion? :D
August 29th, 2007 at 11:23 pmSorry for over posting, but all my #30’s allude to #29. I did understand your sarcasm, or factuality in this case, and obviously agree 100% with you.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:23 pmMy fault for the misunderstanding
Bill O’Dildo
August 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes — August 29, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
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I prefer the name Dill Do’reilly for that little piss ant.
#41
I think the posting numbers jumped around (a little TP editing, perhaps) and we all got mixed up. Regardless, we’re on the same page.
Vet
August 29th, 2007 at 11:26 pmSorry Vet, I didn’t realize you were being sarcastic.
I just get tired of people glorfying war as long as it’s not THEIR azzes or that of their kid’s on the line…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pm#42.
Good lord… I meant #40, not 41.
Either we’re all drunk or TP is messing with us!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:28 pmBut they don’t because they are just a bunch of blubbering pu$$ies. They always have been and always will be.
Invite one fo them over for a party and they will pu$$ out.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
I can vouch for that, for sure.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmEither we’re all drunk or TP is messing with us!
Comment by Vet
TP is flipping numbers….but I’m still drunk.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:33 pmIt looks like all the trolls have crawled into bed with their secret male lovers, so now is a good time for me to join my wife for a good night’s sleep.
Good night, my fellow progs. It seems that the posts are getting jumbled, so now is a good time to call it quits.
Sweat dreams about impeachment, imprisonment, etc…
Vet
August 29th, 2007 at 11:33 pmEither we’re all drunk or TP is messing with us!
Comment by Vet
The TP F**k Filter seems to have the hiccups tonight.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:35 pmWow, looks like Bush has even managed to divide the military now.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmIt looks like all the trolls have crawled into bed with their secret male lovers, so now is a good time for me to join my wife for a good night’s sleep.
Comment by Vet
Just Mr. Pee and all his tube sock(puppet)s.
Night.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pmMilitary analysts called the move unusual for an institution that ordinarily does not air its differences in public, especially while its troops are deployed in combat.
In all seriousness, can anyone remember a time when US troops have not been deployed in combat for an extended period of time?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:40 pmToday is dry cleaning day for all the Rove sock puppets.
-GSD
August 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmI was thinking I would be neglecting my civic duty if I didn’t offer some suggestions for Attorney General to replace Alberto Gonzales. According to Wikipedia, the United States Attorney General is “the head of the United States Department of Justice concerned with legal affairs and is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States government fart poopie boogers.”
So who best fits that description?
Robocop: Robocop was my first reaction. He is part man, part machine, all cop. Robocop is good at enforcing laws. Also, he has a gun in his leg. He would be programmed with these directives:
1. Serve the public trust
2. Protect the innocent
3. Uphold the law
4. (Classified)
I’m guessing the fourth one is something that would allow him to break the other directives in the case of helping a Bush-Cheney dictatorship, but who knows.
“Dirty” Harry Callahan: I think it would be perfect for the chief law enforcement officer to be a rogue cop who doesn’t play by the rules. Of course, this could be trouble for him at his confirmation hearings as Democrats would proclaim, “We can’t confirm him! He’s a rogue cop! And not just a rogue cop; a rogue cop who doesn’t play by the rules!” Callahan would then say, “Rules are made to be broken, just like your nose!” And then he’d punch the Democrat in the face, because that’s what Callahan does: He punches liberals in the face when they get in the way of justice!
Horatio Cain: C.S.I. from Miami, notable for often committing more homicides than he solves. I’m not even sure if C.S.I.s usually even carry guns, but he’s always running in ahead of S.W.A.T. teams and what not shooting suspects. Anyway, he has a great analytical mind. Also, he has sunglasses. If someone got in a legal dispute with him, he be like, “That would be a matter for…” Dramatically puts on his sunglasses. “…the Supreme Court.” Steps off to the side while a song by The Who starts to play.
Well, that’s all the ideas I have for Attorney General. It’s kinda a boring job. Maybe it would be more interesting if the Attorney General got some sort of jet copter so he could fly around and quickly enforce laws. The jet copter should have missiles. “Aiee! It’s the Attorney General!” criminals would yell upon site of his jet copter breaking up their drug dealing. Now that’s U.S. justice!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:52 pmDaily Fred Thompson Fact
Before Fred Thompson can announce his candidacy for president, his campaign has to file an environmental impact statement.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:58 pmComment by Frank J — August 29, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
You must have confused us with those who give a damn.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:04 amDaily Frank J Fact
Before posting here Frank J licks the bottoms of the condiment bottles in his frig. It helps him get into the complete dumb fu*k mentality he portrays here everday.
“Knowing is half the battle.”
August 30th, 2007 at 12:05 amDamn, TP is one sorry blog.
Comment by Mr. President — August 30, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Sorry that you’re here.
That’s why I’ve moved on.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amDamn, TP is one sorry blog.
Comment by Mr. President — August 30, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Then why do you come here 20 hours a day?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amHave you clowns got your surrender plan in order?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:10 amWhere do you surrender to the Islamists? Okinawa?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:10 amHave you clowns got your surrender plan in order?
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 12:10 am
You neocons take us into an unwinnable fiasco and blame the Dems if we don’t produce an impossible victory.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:12 amI thought the mission was accomplished May 1, 2003 aboard the Abraham Lincoln.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amWhy did Bush give bin Laden a very easy exit from Tora Bora to Pakistan and then leave him alone for six years?
Why did he allow all Saudis and bin Ladens to exit the country after 9/11?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:16 amLet me guess. The commanders closest to the combat, the majors and light birds are saying “fu(k this” and the full birds and generals are saying “Gung Ho”!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amAnd Bush is saying “Where’s Jeff?”
Islamic Rage Boy has grown tired of yelling “Death to America,” and needs a new chant, here are some suggestions:
“Hey hey! Ho ho! That Zionist entity’s got to go!”
“Allah, Allah he’s our man,
If he can’t do it no one can!!”
“Vote Democrat!”
Allah Allah… you’re so fine… we blow ourselves up all the time… Hey Allah! *clap clap clap* Hey Allah!”
“That’ll do, pig… that’ll do.”
“WOLVERINES!!!”
“Bomb on: apply directly to the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!”
“Global Jihad. So easy a caveman could do it.”
“Don’t you wish your imam was hot like me?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amDon’t you wish your imam was a freak like me?”
#65 You will have to ask Michael Moore.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:18 amAll occupations end in “defeat” if defeat means the occupying army goes home.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:19 amThe Romans eventually withdrew from England. Did they ’surrender’?
Why did the White House cover up the fact that the 9/11 hijackers’ paymaster was in Pakistani Intelligence?
Why did we attack Iraq when it had nothing to do with 9/11, al Qaeda, or WMD. (Hint: I know the answer is oil).
August 30th, 2007 at 12:19 amSo you did ask Michael Moore.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amEngland withdrew from the American colonies. Do P and Frank think they should have stayed?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:22 amComment by Frank J
I’m not asking you what you think Michael Moore thinks, I’m asking you what YOU think.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:23 amThey came back in 1812.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:23 amAbout what? Moore’s movie? I think it was crap.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:24 amThey came back in 1812.
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 12:23 am
I knew that extremely well. But we didn’t follow them home. And why did W say our oceans used to protect us?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amComment by Frank J
I’m not asking you what you think Michael Moore thinks, I’m asking you what YOU think.
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Frank J doesn’t think. That was your first mistake. He and the rest of the garbage are here to disrupt. Not think. They are following the Nazi handbook to a tee.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:26 amMy best friend is a former Lt Col Army retired and his advice to Bush?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:26 amAside from the shoving a bayonet up his rectum, withdraw to the soon not to be so permanent bases and airlift every last soldier home, to be done within six months. The last soldier out gets a freedom medal.
About what? Moore’s movie? I think it was crap.
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Don’t ask me what you are talking about. You kept bringing his name into it when noone was talking about him. And it is unclear when you say movie (singular).
August 30th, 2007 at 12:26 amSo you are comparing colonial Britain to the United States in 2007? Did you get that from Moore’s movie?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:27 amThey came back in 1812.
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Yes, because loyalists to the English throne fu*ked us over back then just like you are doing now. Real patriots won’t let you complete your mission, traitor.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:27 amAnd it is unclear when you say movie (singular).
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 12:26 am
I was going to ask what this had to do with “Roger and I”
August 30th, 2007 at 12:28 amAll the oil junk and Bin Laden plane ride comes from Moore’s sad movie. Got anything original to ask and I will answer it.
Can you give me the phone number of your friend the Lt. Col I would like for him to talk to a relative of mine who is in Special Forces.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:29 amWhat exactly is Frankie Boy’s fixation with Okinawa anyway? I mean, I know he’s dummer than a tree stump but jeez….c’mon Frank, you cando better than that.
Or Not.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:33 amThe Saudi and bin Laden plane rides are very well documented.
One of the benchmarks that the Iraqi government is supposed to pass NOW (present tense) is a law turning over up to 80% of their oil revenues to the top Western oil corporations. PNAC and the Pentagon have put into writing that we should take control of the Middle East because of the OIL.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:35 amWho says the Iraqis want our version of Freedom Mr. Pee?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:35 am“What are you libs blabbing about? It’s not the Iraqis in general, it’s the terrorists who need to be handled.”
Exactly right. So, you belive just liek us that we need to stop wasting our timing in Iraq and get the fu*k into Pakistan where the terrorists are. I am glad you finally came to your stupid senses.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:35 amAsk Jack Murtha about Okinawa. Or do a google on Murtha’s plan to retreat the American military to Okinawa where they will fight Islamo Fascism sitting on the beach. Typical.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:35 amComment by Mr. President — August 30, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Then, why have you many, many times said:
‘KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:36 amNoone answered my question:
Why did Bush give bin Laden and his men a very easy exit from Tora Bora to Pakistan and then leave him there for almost six years?
Bush said “You know I really don’t think that much about him”.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:38 amRichard Clarke hero of the left arranged for people related to Bin Laden mostly to his many brothers to leave the country after the attack for their safety as he testified before the 9/11 Commission. This is just moonbat nuttyness.
Again, the oil thing is just silly. We could have had the oil without invading Iraq, Saddam would have gladly sold it to us as we saw from the way he dealt with the UN in the Oil for Food scandal.
Quit being a moonbat and talk about the real world.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amGeorge W. Bush is willing to spy on Americans but he let the Bin Laden family out of the US on 9/11 without even checking ID’s.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
August 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amI did a word google search for your fantasy Frank. Since I didn’t find anything remotely close to it I’ll just ignore the babble that passes for comment from you.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:40 am“Comment by Mr. President — August 30, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Then, why have you many, many times said:
‘KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007″
Mr. Pee-Pee thinks he’s Marlon Brandon in Chimpocalypse Now.
-GSD
August 30th, 2007 at 12:41 am#96-Speak for your self Frank!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:41 amThe British thought the American colonists who were attacking them were terrorists. Or the Indians, or the Malaysians, or the Chinese, or the Jamacans, or the Afghans, or the Boers, or the Kenyans.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:41 amYes he did Mr. Pee. Bin Laden got away scot free. Not that the Chimp in Chief was ever serious about getting him anyway.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:43 amAsk Your boy in the White House. He should know.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:45 amtalk about the real world.
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 12:39 am
In the REAL WORLD the Iraqi government is supposed to give up to 80% of their oil revenues to the top Western oil companies, bin Laden and his men have been sitting comfortably in Pakistan for almost six years, one million have died in Iraq, four million Iraqis are refugees, American taxpayers will have to pay $2.2 Trillion for this war, it has made us less secure, and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, al Qaeda, and no WMD.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:46 amOn Meet the Press in June 2006, Tim Russert asked Murtha to respond to a question that Karl Rove had asked rhetorically in a recent speech. After noting that Murtha had called for U.S. troops to “get out of Iraq and go to another country”, Rove asked: “What country would take us? What country would say after the United States cut and run from Iraq, what country in the Middle East would say ‘Yeah, paint a big target on our back and then you’ll cut and run from us?’†Mr. Murtha named Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain, three small countries in which U.S. troops were based during the march on Baghdad, but then added: “We can go to Okinawa. We can redeploy there almost instantly.â€[
August 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amIt’s possible Bush will surprise everybody by offering significant troop withdrawals based on his commanders’ advice next month. Bush might be setting up a scenario where he can “blame” his commanders for his defeat. Remember that everybody was surprised when Bush fired Rumsfeld. Only one week before firing Rumsfeld, Bush reassured everyone that he would never fire him. Same goes with the Harriet Miers nomination, the Gonzales resignation and other issues on which Bush claimed he would not compromise. After all his “tough” talk, Bush often caves-in to opposing public pressure.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:49 am#108-Hey, if it gets the troops out of useless harm’s way then I’m all for it.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amMr. Pee, do the “idiot masses” include you—or just everyone else?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:56 amTomorrow’s Headline:
Commanders NOT Divided On Way Forward In Iraq
The Commanders are going to do whatever the Decider tells them to do, just like always, or else they’ll retire to spend more time with their families.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:01 amQuestion of the evening: Why was Ronald Reagan a successful President and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton failures?
August 30th, 2007 at 1:02 amThe most hilarious law enacted by Congress was re-naming Washington’s National Airport “Reagan’s National Airport.” LOL!!!
August 30th, 2007 at 1:08 amQuestion of the evening: Why was Ronald Reagan a successful President and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton failures?
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Frank J’s question of the evening: Why do pigeons sing Beach Boys tunes while surfing?
August 30th, 2007 at 1:13 amUS debt first 200 years, ending 1981, equaled $0.9 Trillion. US debt after twelve years of Reagan and GHWB equaled $4.1 Trillion.
Clinton’s eight years was greatest sustained economic growth in nation’s history. Twenty-two million jobs created. From record deficits to record surpluses, every year a big improvement. Zero troops killed. 65% approval ratings. Dow up 350%. Unemployment dropped from 8% to 3.9%. etc., etc.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:13 amReagan was assertive and knew what he wanted (which, of course, was the best possible country for the citizens of America to enjoy).
Comment by Mr. Peepee — August 30, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Reagan knew what he wanted: jelly beans!!
and perpetually shiny black hair.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:14 amReagan and GHWB sold massive amounts of weaponry illegally to the terrorist state of Iran under Khomenhi.
Profits went illegally to the terrorist drug dealers The Contras.
Carter had sanctions against Saddam. Reagan immediately dropped sanctions and he and GHWB strongly supported Saddam.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amReagan and GHWB also strongly supported the fundamentalist Islamists who became al Qaeda.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:19 amPretty impressive string of lies there Keith.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:22 amReagan was assertive and knew what he wanted (which, of course, was the best possible country for the citizens of America to enjoy).
Comment by Mr. Peepee — August 30, 2007 @ 1:05 am
What utter BullShit. One could say that Hitler was assertive and knew what he wanted—the best possible country for the Germans!!
August 30th, 2007 at 1:24 amPretty impressive string of lies there Keith.
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 1:22 am
Very empirical facts, not opinions. You should get a source of information better than Fox.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:25 amThe way to end the Iraq problem is for the leaders to apologise for treating the Middle East like a piece of cake to be divided and as a battle ground to be exploited. This will build moral authority. Working to improve places like Africa would also build moral authority.
With that moral authority, we can engage the cooperation of other nations to resolve the issues constructively.
War, dictatorship and terrorism should be banned and an international police force and political system established to protect people from these problems.
By the way, I don’t think the people who invaded Iraq and support the war are evil. I think they were incompetent and ignorant. They were stuck in two old untrue beliefs:
1. war is a valid tool of government
2. what’s good for America is good for the world.
Reality:
1. war is the worst crime.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:28 am2. what’s good for the world is good for America.
Is there a Senator Larry Craig Memorial Restroom in the Ronald Reagan Airport?
-GSD
August 30th, 2007 at 1:36 amCan you give me the phone number of your friend the Lt. Col I would like for him to talk to a relative of mine who is in Special Forces.
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Your relatives ride the Special bus, Frank. You don’t know any soldiers. You don’t know any history, or any facts about government. All you actually know is how to lie, mostly to yourself. You are a weakling, a fraud, and a retarded antiAmerican. You are weak enough to not be any danger to anyone, but you’re still antiAmerican to your bones. All of your bullshit is proven as a lie when you are afraid to back up your president by enlisting and standing with the troops, instead of cheerleading their deaths and the destruction of their families and home lives. You distract and misdirect, you are incapable of an honest answer to a direct question, because an honest answer would go against all of your fantasy beliefs in the great god bush, the most inept and destructive leader America has seen in her brief history. standing on the shoulders of mental midgets like nixon and reagan, not to mention ford and bush1 (talk about idiots!), bush has weakened America to a dangerous point, where even his military is turning against him. This may save us in the long run, since he deserves a good fragging, but no matter what, you and the GOP are now hated around the world and here at home. Hated and vilified, held up as examples of corruption of mind and spirit, an embarrassment and source of shame. Congratulations on your hate-mongering and cowardice, you really are the expert.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:45 amSure. But that would be a lie, now wouldn’t it?
Comment by Mr. P — August 30, 2007 @ 1:25 am
no more than your lie about bush, the supreme America-hater and ally of Al Qaeda.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:45 amWhy did Bush give bin Laden and his men a very easy exit from Tora Bora to Pakistan and then leave him there for almost six years?
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 12:38 am
He didn’t.
Comment by Mr. President — August 30, 2007 @ 12:40 am
he most certainly did.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:48 amfrank and pee are here to point at the shiny thing. You will be as extinct as the republik potty soon. Enjoy your time here. Irrelevance is bliss.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:48 amfrank and pee are occupying the Larry Craig restroom even as we speak. Tap, tap, tap, get down to business, girls!
August 30th, 2007 at 1:52 amWhy did Bush give bin Laden and his men a very easy exit from Tora Bora to Pakistan and then leave him there for almost six years?
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 12:38 am
Richard Clarke of the president’s National Security Council said: “Gen. Franks and the president can deny it until the cows come home, but they made a mistake. They did let him [Osama] go away.”
CIA analyst for the Middle East, Michael Scheuer, said: “The [Afghan] people we bought, the people Mr. Tenet said we would own, let Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan into Pakistan.â€
Gary Bernsten, the CIA official in Afghanistan in 2001, said the Bush administration ignored his repeated requests to send ground forces in the hunt for Osama. He said, “I had meetings with the military on the ground there [in Afghanistan]. First we drafted a document which indicated what sort of offensive operations we were taking, where we were going to conduct in Tora Bora. I presented those to the senior officer in the country, who had no interest in looking at it, which sort of surprised me …. I specifically requested to him that we needed to put [in] ground forces. More than once I stated that, and I wrote it, and I documented my requests back to my organization. History will vindicate me if anyone says I’m not telling the truth. Eventually these things will be declassified. They can see the nature of my requests and the dates on those requests, so I’m confident.â€
See link for quotes…
http://www.pbs.org/ wgbh/ pages/ frontline/ darkside/ themes/ afghanistan.html
August 30th, 2007 at 1:55 amIs there a Senator Larry Craig Memorial Restroom in the Ronald Reagan Airport?
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 30, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Yes. Its right next to the Mark Foley Memorial Drinking Fountain.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:57 amIs there a Senator Larry Craig Memorial Restroom in the Ronald Reagan Airport?
No but there is an Idahomosexual bar across the way.
August 30th, 2007 at 2:04 amLeno joke
Honey don’t keep supper waiting for me, i’m going to wolf down a hot dog at the airport.
August 30th, 2007 at 2:05 amQuestion of the evening: Why was Ronald Reagan a successful President and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton failures?
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Because you’re a dumb fu*k?
August 30th, 2007 at 2:29 amI’ve done the same thing with a group making a recommendation to a boss I thought was an idiot and didn’t want to have anything to do with a bad idea.
C’mon, we’ve all been sitting around talking about things and decided to let the idiot in charge decide because you didn’t really want to have anything to do with the decision.
August 30th, 2007 at 2:31 am“Question of the evening: Why was Ronald Reagan a successful President and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton failures?
Comment by Frank J — August 30, 2007 @ 1:02 am”
Because he lived in an alternate universe. Oh and he illegally sold weapons…attempted to overthrow governments and Oliver North was one of his best friends. Perhaps it’s that astrologer he & Nancy consulted on a reagular basis.
August 30th, 2007 at 2:35 amOr you are just delusional -
you know you guys circle around this crap like vultures but what do you really ever do about it?
anyone call their senators lately?
everytime I call to remind them that we hate them the call goes right through. Which means no one else is calling when I call..
pitiful
GET ACTIVE
knowledge is power but what’s the use of power if you never use it!???
August 30th, 2007 at 4:05 amCommanders are undecided because they know that the surge is the wrong policy. They know it is virtually impossible to win a civil war. They also know that so far the surge has not met its goals.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:02 amCommanders have been split for a long time now. This is not really news. Some wanted the surge, some didn’t, some wanted to go to Iraq, some wanted to remain strongly after Bin Laden. The fact that this is even a story kind of pissed me off.
http://www.beforeyougopostal.com
August 30th, 2007 at 7:15 amIt’s possible Bush will surprise everybody by offering significant troop withdrawals based on his commanders’ advice next month. Bush might be setting up a scenario where he can “blame†his commanders for his defeat.
Comment by corsair — August 30, 2007 @ 12:49 am
Meanwhile, Cheney’s setting up a scenario where we attack Iran the week after Labor Day:
http://www.juancole.com/ 2007/ 08/ cheney-iran-here-we-go-again.html
Also - has anyone heard anything else about this $4.7 billion margin call that comes due 9/21/07? Someone posted about it in Cole’s comments, and I’m very curious!
August 30th, 2007 at 7:37 amGreat. The deciderer will decide. You KNOW what he’ll pick.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:46 amRE #141
Well said and you’re correct. It is amazing to me that so few people whether a wingnut or a libtard, bother to pick up the phone, type an email, let alone a letter to the morons in office. Even those who are a local phone call away. I routinely call my wingnut Congressman to let him know why I’m voting against him and even more frequently I contact either by phone or email, my libtard Congressmen and Senators to let them know why I’m not contributing to their campaign or their party. My sense is that few of us do and so the morons in office on both sides of the political aisle generally react solely to the idiot news. Which is like reading newspapers published in WWII to gleen how the country feels.
I thought it most interesting that the blog sites in general broke the story of Bedtime for Gonzo well ahead of the idiot news and nailed it 100%. On Monday the idiot news was loudly proclaiming how it was a big surprise. Surprise only to those who depend on the idiot news. I doubt the majority of the morons in office can type let alone get their news off the net as they are far too busy primping themselves for the next photo op.
August 30th, 2007 at 8:00 amI always want the person with the least military experience making all the decisions, don’t you?
August 30th, 2007 at 8:13 amIraq seeks long-term security agreement with US — Zebari
BAGHDAD, Aug 30 (KUNA) — Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said Thursday that his country will work on sealing a long-term security agreement with the US in the coming year, after the lapse of the UN agreement over the presence of the Multi-National Force (MNF) in Iraq.
Speaking at a press conference, Zebari said the recent agreement between Iraqi politicians included a clause on the Iraqi government’s readiness to enter a long-term security agreement with the US, and “this will help us and our coalition friends to work together with greater freedom in the security field.” He added, “At the end of this year, the UN will revise the presence of the MNF in Iraq and we will work for issuing a new Security Council resolution over a new, joint security arrangement.” In this respect, the foreign minister said his country wished for the extension of the MNF mission to be linked to a long-term partnership and entering detailed talks on new security arrangements.
He said that such arrangements required great effort and would be a step toward boosting Iraq’s sovereignty, but noted that it was still early to discuss the establishment of American bases in Iraq.
Iraq, he said, was in need of such security agreements because its security capabilities remained week.
On a different noted, the foreign minister said an extended meeting of Iraq’s neighbors would be held at the level of experts in Baghdad during the first week of September.
He added that preparations were being made for hosting this meeting, which would include Iraq’s neighbors, the five permanent members of the UN, and the G-8.
The experts will look into progress made by the three committee formed during the meeting in Sharm El-Sheikh on energy, security and immigrants, he said.
They will also look into preparations for the ministerial conference that will be hosted by Istanbul at a later date, the foreign minister added.
Moreover, Zebari mentioned the continued Iranian shelling of Iraqi locations on joint borders, saying that this had become a daily happening and that residential areas in Sulaimaniya and Irbil were being targeted.
The Iraqi government has voiced its protest over these attacks and summoned on Tuesday the Iranian ambassador to deliver a memorandum of protest over this issue, demanding an immediate suspension of operations so as not to harm bilateral relations, he explained.
Iraq stands ready to discuss all issues with Iran in the spirit of cooperation, he underscored.
On Tuesday, the Iraqi Foreign Ministry had issued a statement in which it called on Iran to stop shelling Kurdish areas in northern Iraq, warning that this could harm bilateral relations.
The statement said more than 450 Kurdish families in 20 villages had been evacuated because of the shelling. (end) ahh.ema KUNA 301154 Aug 07NNNN
http://www.kuna.net.kw
August 30th, 2007 at 8:24 amIAEA criticizes US military deal with Mideast
(With photos) VIENNA, Aug 30 (KUNA) — US military deals with its Middle Eastern allies will not help the security situation in the region, said International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) General Director Mohammad El-Baradei on Thursday.
August 30th, 2007 at 8:26 amSpeaking to an Austrian “Profile” weekly magazine, Baradei described the US decision to provide Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia with military equipment as “unhelpful,” adding that it would actually fuel tensions in the region and contribute to further aggravation of its security situation.
Spending such resources on fighting poverty and promoting education and health would be a much better way of helping the people of the region, Baradei was quoted as saying.
Baradei’s remarks followed the US decision to offer USD 30 billion in military assistance to Israel, as well as UAD 20 billion to Egypt and the GCC. The deal, comprising large quantities of state-of-the-art weaponry, is to protect US allies from threats by other regional countries. (end) amg.hb KUNA 300932 Aug 07NNNN
Comment by Bruno Hauptmann — August 30, 2007 @ 8:00 am
And this is the reason the big ten like to berate bloggers, they are basically getting scooped. Not that it matters all that much as alot of people dont read blogs or digg for details.
But it seems to drive Beck and Oreilly into spasms. B^P
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$4.7 billion margin call that comes due 9/21/07? Someone posted about it in Cole’s comments, and I’m very curious!
I haven’t. I read this [counterpunch.org] on Afghan costs. Much unaccounted for. And the current admin is seeking another 50bn.
http://69.31.42.66/wheeler08292007.html
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I always want the person with the least military experience making all the decisions, don’t you?
Comment by RepublicansAreFascists
I want people who have MBA’s to make military decisions or at least Alden Pyle.
August 30th, 2007 at 8:27 am/sarcon
But uou will never see Bush and Cheney ‘divided’ over the request for another 50 billion dollars to spend.
August 30th, 2007 at 8:37 amAs for the SPX 700 Call [4.7 billion] Check here Toasterhead
http://www.tickerforum.org/ cgi-ticker/ akcs-www?post=4669&page=8
I woud think its related to China dumping a butt load of American dollars, Possibly due to sub-prime collapse.
August 30th, 2007 at 8:37 amCorrection: *OR possibly more sub-prime collapse
August 30th, 2007 at 8:40 amThe SPX 700 call doesnt seem very convincing toasterhead. lotta speculation going on, CBOT/E Data feed problems? A bank thats about to fold? Too many rumors running around..
Sep 07 Calls (24 days to expiration) SPX @ 1,479.37
August 30th, 2007 at 8:59 amSymbol Last Chg Bid Ask Vol OpInt Strike
SPZIT 747.00 0 777.70 782.90 0 61,730 Trade 700.00
“Again, the oil thing is just silly. We could have had the oil without invading Iraq, Saddam would have gladly sold it to us as we saw from the way he dealt with the UN in the Oil for Food scandal.
Quit being a moonbat and talk about the real world.
Comment by Frank J “
If that is the case Francine, then why is Bush pushing so hard to get the Iraqi government to turn over their oil profits to US and British oil companies?
Not that I expect an answer. Francine has not earned his balls back.
August 30th, 2007 at 9:24 amDivide and Flounder
August 30th, 2007 at 10:27 amHas anyone won an argument with the trolls yet?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amYou can’t win an argument with an idiot, so why even try?
These trolls are here for one reason only, and that is to distract.
They live a sad life, where their sole gratification comes from disrupting and antagonizing commenters on progressive blogs.