Russert: Conservatives ‘Just Want Senator Craig To Exit, To Leave’
Russert: Conservatives ‘Just Want Senator Craig To Exit, To Leave’
Yesterday, in his first public statement since his June arrest for “lewd conduct” was revealed, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) took a defiant tone, claiming that he “can still be an effective leader for Idaho,” despite the controversy over his arrest and guilty plea. He also said he would announce a decision this fall about whether he would seek reelection.
But the right wing is already anxious for him to leave office. On NBC’s Nightly News last night, Washington bureau chief Tim Russert said his establishment Republican sources are saying they “just want Senator Craig to exit, to leave”:
Well Brian, I talked to Republicans today, and they have a simple answer. They just want Senator Craig to exit, to leave. [...]
Republicans understand, Brian, the issue of hypocrisy. The notion of a conservative Republican who constantly votes against gay rights, doing something contrary to that. They just don’t want the 2008 election to have those kinds of overtones, the way they did in 2006.
Watch it:
As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, the conservative blogosphere has begun vociferously calling for Craig’s resignation as well.
Grassroots conservatives are “exasperated” by the scandals hitting Washington. “The impact this is having on the grass-roots around the country is devastating,” Republican strategist Scott Reed told the New York Times. “Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.”
UPDATE: TPMmuckraker’s Paul Kiel notes that including Craig, there are currently 11 conservatives in Congress caught up in corruption and/or sex scandals.
Transcript:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: We’re joined by our Washington bureau chief Tim Russert. And Tim, in plain english, a lot of people looking at this story tonight, are wondering how to think about it.TIM RUSSERT: Well Brian, I talked to Republicans today, and they have a simple answer. They just want Senator Craig to exit, to leave. Why? Because they believe the Senate seat in Idaho is a safe Republican seat. George Bush carried that state by 67% of the vote. Any Republican can hold on to it, except maybe Senator Craig. And then if he continues to try to hang on, and to brazenly fight the local newspaper, that he’ll become a poster boy, the way Mark Foley became a poster boy in the 2006 eleciton involving a Congressional page scandal. Republicans understand, Brian, the issue of hypocrisy. The notion of a conservative Republican who constantly votes against gay rights, doing something contrary to that. They just don’t want the 2008 election to have those kinds of overtones, the way they did in 2006.
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Ah, the closeted perversion of Republican values…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:15 amthe gift that keeps on giving…
“Republicans understand, Brian, the issue of hypocrisy.”
You got that right! They wrote the book!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:15 amI am sure they (conservatives) do. He is an embarrasement to the republican party, and his chances of winning another election in Idaho are pretty slim. They will want a good solid conservative.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:16 amalright, TP…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:16 ambut NO MORE craig stories after this… k?
thanks…
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“Republicans understand [...] the issue of hypocrisy.”
Practise makes perfect etc etc.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:16 amIn other words, Republicans want the outed ones to go away so that the rest of them can go deeper into the closet and can continue marketing family values issues to their deceived base.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:19 amSo, if he exits, I do believe the Republican governor will appoint another republican to fill in until the next election.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:21 amSenator Sali, anyone?
Sen. Craig must resign from the Senate for soliciting tawdry sex in public restrooms.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:22 ambrian ross: people are wondering how to think about it?
yikes….he just called the american public stupid and unable to form their own opinion.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:25 amAnother (R) scumbag down the drain!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:26 amWow. Repugs are scrambling for the shadows now arent they? No more light – pleeeeeeaaaaaasssssseeeeeee!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:26 amHe got caught acting like a Democrat. Don’t let the bathroom door hit you on the way out perv.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:27 am“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.” -Dwight Eisenhower (R-TX)
Not that I care if they let their whole party crash and burn, but where are the Republicans like that nowadays?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:27 amI think we’ve reached the point where gay public bathroom lust can be referred to as ‘going republican’ or ‘doing the republican’ and most people will understand what it means.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:27 am.
I am more than willing to accept this judgment.” Republican strategist Scott Reed told the New York Times. “Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.â€
August 29th, 2007 at 11:29 amShane, I highly recommend John Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without Conscience.”
August 29th, 2007 at 11:30 amFrank J. is confused. It’s been a steady stream of Republican sleeze that has been exposed. The republicans are finding it hard to keep their own dirty laundry in the closet.
Craig got caught acting like Craig, who is a republican.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:30 am“…who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.â€
It’s about time they realized this…something we’ve been saying for years now.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:30 am#14 Agreed, just as killing your mistress is doing the Ted.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:30 amstill dreaming, larry remains effective and relevant.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:31 amNot that I care if they let their whole party crash and burn, but where are the Republicans like that nowadays?
Comment by Shane Nicholson — August 29, 2007 @ 11:27 am
They became Democrats and abandoned the Republican party to the neo-cons.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:31 amMaybe Craig and Barney Frank can go into business together and start another prostitution ring out of Barney’s basement.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:31 amConservatives just want Craig to exit, to leave.
I want all the Republi-crook hypocrites to leave. And quite a few Dem hypocrites as well.
**cough*Pelosi*cough**
August 29th, 2007 at 11:31 amExcuse me, that was a nasty cough.
The longer this sicko remains in the spotlight, the more damage he is doing to the GOP. He had a run in with the sex & drug congressional page scandal (reminiscent of Foley??) back in the early 80’s and it’s clear that he hasn’t progressed personally from those filthy days.
He never should have been permitted to represent the good people of Idaho for the past 20 years being the total hypocrite whom he is! The people of that state deserve much better than this sick, denying hypocrite !
The psychological profile and probability of one admitting to “guilty” when they are not guilty is slim to none, as we all know. How much of a buffoon is this guy to think that if he admitted guilt, it would somehow go away??? What planet is he living on? Oops, we all know….Uranus!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:32 ami did find this, and posted it on the FAST thread…
interesting… kinda just the opposite of what timmy says…
Leaping to Senator Craig’s Defense
By Mike Nizza
Tags: politics, washington
As the political impact of Senator Larry Craig’s guilty plea tied to sexual misconduct deepens to what one ex-Republican called “devastating†levels, a legal question is uniting his backers among bloggers of various political stripes. As the conservative Captain’s Quarters puts it, “What Exactly Is The Crime?â€
Matthew Yglesias, a liberal editor of The Atlantic Monthly, elaborates: “Surely tapping one’s foot isn’t a crime in Minnesota.â€
August 29th, 2007 at 11:33 am[...]
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/leaping-to-senator-craigs-defense/
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a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.†-Dwight Eisenhower (R-TX)
Not that I care if they let their whole party crash and burn, but where are the Republicans like that nowadays?
Comment by Shane Nicholson
These people whom Ike described in his day are alive, and well,
August 29th, 2007 at 11:34 ammore powerful, and well hidden.
They are not neccessarily “Republicans”
They are the ones making George, Karl, Alberto, Dick and all the rest dance on the ends of their strings.
They are the corporate masters who envision control of any and all of the Earth’s resources, and ethnic, religious or national identities mean nothing to them unless they can be exploited to further their dreams of power and control.
Hellinabucket: GOP – the moniker fits to a tee! Grand Old Perverts – liars and hypocrites would describe most republicans today. They’re over! They are so over that they still don’t realize that they’re the “third party”….hahaha! Their numbers are dropping like the titanic with the “I’s now reaching the high 30’s, and the Dems weighing in around 37%….looks like the GOP is being squeezed out of existence.
Just like the dinosaurs, the GOP will soon be “no more”! GOP Extinction will be the hallmark of the 08 elections!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:34 amLeft and right sides of Main Street assumes that most Congress Critters are hypocrites. That description doesn’t get us very far, particularly as the fundamentalist wing has an enormous capacity to tolerate hypocrisy in a “strong leader”, just as it can tolerate sexual infidelity in one they admire. After all, like a number of gay anti-gay preachers, Craig could just be “processed” at a retreat and become ungay.
No, Conservatives want Craig to “disappear” because he’s an electoral liability, not because he’s a hypocrite. If Tim Russert were still a jouirnalist, he’d explore that. He’s not and he won’t.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:34 amUntil this whole Craig issue comes to a climax the republican party will be stalled.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:34 amTo the Repubs, it’s all about Craig being gay. The same Repubs calling for Craig’s head are the ones who defended Diaper Man Vitter.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:35 amThe Silver Lining on the Bathroom Stall
Oy. Republicans really don’t need bad publicity like Senator Larry Craig right now. I’m sure the nutroots are in full gay-bashing mode right now. That whole thing is just really sad and creepy (and thus extra bad for the Romney campaign with which Craig was associated; they already had problem with the “creepy” label). I guess Republicans can at least take solace in the face that when this sort of thing happens, we tend to get them out of office. That’s why we shouldn’t stand for Democrats to say a word about this, because who do they have in office right now? There a globular, drunken mass that drove a car into a river and left a woman to die while he ran for his lawyer. There the guy who had a male prostitution ring ran out of his apartment. More recently, there’s the guy with bribe money in his freezer. And which party has a former Klansman as Senator?
See, at least we can say about the Republicans is that, when one of them does lewd conduct in a public restroom, it’s news. With Democrats, that’s a dog bites man story right there. Really, no one can be a Democrat politician and have any morals because then they wouldn’t be able to work with most of their colleagues. The only criticism Democrats can say to Republicans is, “That’s what you get for having morals! You should all be freaks like us! Freeeeeaks!”
Maybe that could be made into a new slogan:
“The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos.”
August 29th, 2007 at 11:35 am“Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.â€
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It’s true.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:36 amTo the Repubs, it’s all about Craig being gay. The same Repubs calling for Craig’s head are the ones who defended Diaper Man Vitter.
Comment by OxyCon
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As a Republican I can tell you that it has everything to do with him soliciting sex in a public toilet stall.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:39 amkaty: Thanks for the reference…according to the accepted practices for toilet pick-up in men’s rooms, the foot tapping is significant…..that, along with running your opposite hand under the stall bottom separating you and the other some three or four times. What was that? Waving hello perchance?? Give me a break – this guy is a closet gay with a wife who resembles a fat, old man. He wouldn’t know a vagina from a hole in a wall.
Hearing him on television was repulsive and revulsed anyone who watched. Get him outta here and quick. He’s simply another hypocritical, lying Repuke embarrassment. They’re exiting like a flea circus these days with many, many more to come. The beltway chatter has some big stuff coming out soon on some pretty astonishing individuals…..
Then we have Larry Flynt’s juicy tidbits to follow…..along with JeffyLube’s “tell all” book – let the fur fly!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:39 amComment by Frank J
You taking a new brand of “stupid pills” this morning Frank?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:39 amYour posts are lamer than usual today.
The new “circus in town” – come see the freaks – called the Grand Old Pervert Circus!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:39 amThe grassroot Republicans are really miffed at the fact that, ultimately, for all of their personal moral foibles, the Republicans in Congress and the Senate – for six years – put Republican principles into practice and the net result was an unmitigated disaster.
Craig is simply a device whereby they can vent their spleen without having to revise those beliefs which have proven to be so terribly wrong.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Wayne — August 29, 2007 @ 11:31 am
applause!!!!
Until this whole Craig issue comes to a climax the republican party will be stalled.
Comment by Hellinabucket — August 29, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Did you have to use the word “climax”?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:41 amRingo: Absolutely! What he did was criminal and with the undercover cop witnessing it he had no option but TO plead guilty. What he fails to realize is that he will go to prison for it just like everyone else. His lying right now only makes the offense greater. It has nothing to do with gay or straight – who really cares what this senile impotent fart does with his sexuality? It’s ALL ABOUT BREAKING THE LAW!
I can’t believe that he’s so sick and twisted as to go on national television and believe that the gay issue is what he’s done which is criminal. If we have such idiotic morons representing us in this country, we’re really in big trouble.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:42 amBruce don’t Bogart that joint my friend.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:42 amveritas, you’re welcome…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:42 ami heard yesterday that craig was not married until after the foley scandal…
he came out then with a comment about how men who were unmarried, like he was, were considered a target… or some such mallarky…
and no one even pointed a finger at him at the time…
he married soon after…
heh…
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“… “Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.—
Ya think?
Which ‘principles of the party’ were Republicans standing up for when they went along with shrub and Co as they lied, cheated and stole?
Which ‘law of the land’ have the Republicans stood up for over the past six years as US citizens have been made to disappear in USA?
Which ‘future of the country’ have the Republicans stood up for as they block every step forward attempted by this Congress?
Does the expression, “Chickens coming home to roost” have a ring to it? I say suck on it GOP. I am only sorry USA has to suffer so much at the hands of the low-life Republican scum.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:43 am.
Peeping through the stall and soliciting sex from someone in a men’s room is pretty damning evidence, I’d say. The best thing Craig can do now is to turn himself in and “take it like a man”. Besides, in prison he’ll have plenty of opportunities to pursue his fantasies there.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:43 amLook, this is an easy call for Republicans. They can call for an ethics investigation, get all outraged, call for his resignation – because he most likely wasn’t seeking re-election anyway, and the seat is solidly Republican no matter what happens. They look like the party who can criticize its own without risking anything.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:43 amEver notice in your community who the Repukes are? They “out themselves” immediately with their overblown ego, sadistic version of reality, and twisted morality. Amazing how you can pick them out of a crowd these days, isn’t it?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:44 amDid you have to use the word “climax�
Comment by hacker bob
“comes to a head”
(hope this helps)
August 29th, 2007 at 11:44 amhe got caught being a Republican.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:44 amDid you have to use the word “climax�
Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 11:41 am
ha! craig himself got the best one in…
August 29th, 2007 at 11:44 amyesterday he thanked all the people for “coming out” to his presser…
funny…
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They just want Senator Craig to exit, to leave.
But he’s stuck too deeply in the “mud,” if you know what I mean. (sorry, disgusting joke).
August 29th, 2007 at 11:45 amkaty, Craig married his staffer Suzanne after the page scandal of the early 80s, not Foley. He then adopted her 3 children. Instant family.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:47 amFrank J
That Craig is gay isn’t exactly new news. The exact same thing was revealed just before the 2006 elections. Republicans weren’t terribly miffed then because they could still judge Republican success by winning elections.
Now that source of “success” has been taken away from them, they feel lost. They are being forced to revisit just where America is, they are on the backfoot in most arguments with grassroot Democrats and Independents, and they don’t want to revise their opinions about their policies.
Thus, they need guys like Craig to be outed – because it means they can pretend that they were betrayed by the guys they voted for without having to examine what those guys did.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:48 amCan’t have a party if there’s no one left.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:48 amAt least conservatives know how to take out their own trash.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:49 amWhat’s behind the right’s different response to David Vitter’s call girls and Larry Craig’s boy trouble? In a nutshell, the boys.
As the old expression goes, you are what you eat. And that imagery, apparently, is behind the growing conservative chorus calling for Craig’s resignation.
For the details, see:
August 29th, 2007 at 11:49 am“Behind the Right’s Double Standard on Craig and Vitter.”
These people whom Ike described in his day are alive, and well,
more powerful, and well hidden.
They are not neccessarily “Republicansâ€
They are the ones making George, Karl, Alberto, Dick and all the rest dance on the ends of their strings.
They are the corporate masters who envision control of any and all of the Earth’s resources, and ethnic, religious or national identities mean nothing to them unless they can be exploited to further their dreams of power and control.
That’s my point: where are the Repub’s (and Dem’s for that matter) that can tell them to bugger off?
And Dick is definitely one of them. He’s not on the end of a string.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:50 amAnd Dick is definitely one of them. He’s not on the end of a string.
Comment by Shane Nicholson
Agreed.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:51 amoy!!!!!
So many “climax, coming out, comes to a head” jokes, so little time.
Personally, as a Republican, I feel he needs to go. Not for Homosexuality, but for Hypocrisy.
I want my party back!!!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:51 amAt least conservatives know how to take out their own trash.
Comment by Tryon — August 29, 2007
Ding, ding, ding. We have winner!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:52 amThe impact this is having on the grass-roots around the country is devastating,†Republican strategist Scott Reed told the New York Times.
Its not just Craig either. I recall a McCain aide, Bob Allen, did the same thing about the same time this happened
August 29th, 2007 at 11:52 amFrank J. is confused. It’s been a steady stream of Republican sleeze that has been exposed. The republicans are finding it hard to keep their own dirty laundry in the closet.
Craig got caught acting like Craig, who is a republican.
Comment by Hellinabucket — August 29, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I think what has confused Frank is that Faux NoNooz is alway labeling the scumbags as (D), so all the (R) scumbags can be hidden from the 28%er Sheeple who watch their entertainment network.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:52 am“I want my party back!!!”
Comment by hacker bob
Patience, it may be awhile…your party is going to suffer through
August 29th, 2007 at 11:54 amthe most gawd awful hangover it’s ever had…..
What – 11 conservatives in Congress
fire them all ASAP then
August 29th, 2007 at 11:54 amI want my party back!!!
Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Back?
Isn’t soliciting sex in a mens room pretty standard for you guys?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:55 am“I want my party back!!!â€
Comment by hacker bob
You can thank Reagan for the for bringing in the religious right and making Repubs wear the false mask of uber-social conservatism to get their votes.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:56 am“I want my party back!!!â€
Comment by hacker bob
Shoud have thought of that before you blindly supported the NeoCon BushCo Crime Family. See, you got what you asked for, and the problem is, the rest of us and the world, are paying the price.
No sympathy from us, sorry!
August 29th, 2007 at 11:56 amDo Republicans have a chance to win in 2008?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:58 amSen. Larry Craig (R-ID) took a defiant tone, claiming that he “can still be an effective leader for Idaho,†despite the controversy over his arrest and guilty plea.
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Sounds just like our bubby(perjury) Clinton.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:59 amMaybe that could be made into a new slogan:
“The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos.â€
Comment by Frank J — August 29, 2007 @ 11:35 am
I assume you’re talking about Rove & Gonzo now. And it’s a good start. Keep it up & get rid of Cheney & GWB and I’ll agree with you.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:59 amTryon
Yes. If the Democrats don’t get their act together America might end up with a Republican President and Senate. Congress will likely remain Democrat controlled, but only barely.
August 29th, 2007 at 11:59 am“The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos.â€
Comment by Frank J — August 29, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Don’t worry your pretty head Francine, we will get rid of them for you next fall.
Ringo and hacker bob, you are showing some signs of integrity. It’s not full out defense of Party, it’s what’s right and wrong.
We definitely disagree on the course of Iraq, but it’s refreshing to see that you can call a hypocrite a hypocrite.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pmMaybe the President should be given the authority to fire corrupt congresspersons/senators.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pmIt’s amazing the defense of Repubs here.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:01 pmLet’s not forget Mark Foley. Republican leadership knew about him and did nothing until it became public knowledge. Same with Duke Cunningham. Same with Bob Ney. These weren’t secret behaviors.
The Repubs did nothing about them until it was public news.
Such is the way of politics (yes on both sides of the aisle)
Do Republicans have a chance to win in 2008?
Comment by Tryon
Win what?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:01 pmTheir appeals?
“I talked to Republicans today, and they have a simple answer. They just want Senator Craig to exit, to leave. “
Russert then added, “Oh, and they also want Senator Craig to have gay sex with them in public restrooms . . . almost forgot that part. Phew!”
August 29th, 2007 at 12:02 pmDamn 24/7 Homo news here at TP
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
You have no one to blame but yourself. Everytime the Republicans need to “get out the vote” they put some BS anti-gay initiative on the ballot and all you lemming trolls brainlessly go to the ballots.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:02 pmIsn’t soliciting sex in a mens room pretty standard for you guys?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Nope, not really. I didn’t see that in my “How To Be A Republican” handbook.
You can thank Reagan for the for bringing in the religious right and making Repubs wear the false mask of uber-social conservatism to get their votes.
Comment by dlet — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Actually, you can thank Roe v. Wade (which I support) for the rise of the religious right. That is what mobilized the evangelicals. Reagan would have beat Carter even without the religious right’s support.
Comment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
So, you know if I voted and who for? How?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pmDamn 24/7 Homo news here at TP
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
TP doesn’t make the news, they just report it. Blame the Reps for being caught performing so many homosexual acts.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
larry? is that you…? tap once for yes and twice for no.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWhy is this news? It’s not like he killed a hobo or anything. Besides, he’s
in the 75% majority of the GOP according to this article.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i23970
August 29th, 2007 at 12:05 pmLarry, Larry, quite a fairy,
How does your hard-on grow?
With ass-crack smells and foot-tap tells,
August 29th, 2007 at 12:08 pmAnd toilet stalls all in a row.
This is just one guy with 24/7 tabloid style coverage. TP spins just like every other fake news website.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhy is this news?
Political hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle is always news. People love to hate their politicians.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:09 pmActually, you can thank Roe v. Wade (which I support) for the rise of the religious right. That is what mobilized the evangelicals. Reagan would have beat Carter even without the religious right’s support.
Comment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
So, you know if I voted and who for? How?
Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
I DID NOT post that comment!! Where did you copy that from?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmhttp://www.thespoof.com/ news/ spoof.cfm?headline=s2i23970
Comment by Kreg Punter
LMAO
August 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmTP spins just like every other fake news website.
What’s the spin? Did he not plead guilty? Are the reports of GOP displeasure incorrect? In order for this to be spin there must be some doctoring of facts…
August 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pm“The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos.â€
Comment by Frank J ”
did you quit to spend more time with your family, or did they just kick you out?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:11 pmSomebody hijacked my name in #75.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:12 pm“The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos.â€
Comment by Frank J — August 29, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Yeh, that must be why Hastert help cloak Foley all them years.
What gets rid of your weirdos is usually the law, as in Craigs case.
Such as this guy:
In the most disturbing accusation, the girls say Klaudt had them convinced they could earn up to $20,000 by donating their eggs to a fertility clinic. And even though he has no medical training, the girls say Klaudt did all the supposed “exams” and “procedures” himself.
Former State Representative Ted Klaudt is accused of manipulating, molesting, intimidating and threatening teenage girls who the state of South Dakota paid him to raise.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by hacker bob
The “rise of the religious right” and the acceptance into a particular political party(Republican) aretwo different things. As far as beating Carter…I think Reagan’s deal with the Iranians keeping the hostages did that for him.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThe senator didn’t kill packs of dogs. As the NAACP advocates for Mike Vick to have the opportunity to remain in the NFL, Mr. Craig should at least receive the same opportunity.
This is a misdemeanor, keep in mind. All these years later, Senator Kennedy has been able to remain in the Senate with a criminal record of his own, benefiting from his family name.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmNo spin on this story. Others yea look at the headlines TP writes. Pretty damn creative (spin)!
August 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pmSenator Ted Kennedy a beacon of light yes!
August 29th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIf Ted Kenney, who killed his girlfriend is still a Senator, Sen. Craig can stay in power.
Ted Kennedy was DUI, his car plunges into a body of water, he saves himself and allows his girlfriend to drown. Many would say this is murder. His family covers up the story, the press helps him and the Liberals embrace him.
If the swimmer can stay in power after what he did, Sen. Craig can defently stay.
but let us not bring up the left wing hypocrisy, right?
pathetic.
Furthermore, if Congressman Kennedy can stay in power after being caught in a DUI last year, Sen. Craig can also stay in power.
But shall we speak of the hypocrisy of the left?
Hey by the way, did any of you Liberals catch Chris Matthews saying Sen. Craig’s homosexual behavior was amoral? oh, oh, I can already see homosexual groups writing ot the Liberal god Chris Matthews. oh, oh!
oh, wait, and don’t forget how in Florida and States around the Union Liberal homosexual groups are protesting arrests of homosexuals that have behaved like Sen. Craig. These groups are claiming that the arrests are based on homophobia.
come on Liberals say it loud, say it proud….Liberalism equals hypocrisy!!!
August 29th, 2007 at 12:16 pmNo spin on this story. Others yea look at the headlines TP writes. Pretty damn creative (spin)!
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
I can barely understand what you’re trying to say. What’s the spin? Explain.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFrom the article:
“Well Brian, I talked to Republicans today, and they have a simple answer. They just want Senator Craig to exit, to leave. […]”
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“This is a misdemeanor, keep in mind. All these years later, Senator Kennedy has been able to remain in the Senate with a criminal record of his own, benefiting from his family name.”
Comment by Statisco — August 29, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
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This appears to be a contradiction. It is my view that republicans will continue to defend him, and want him to stay.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:17 pmComment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
I am sorry. I messed up my tags. You did not post that. I was responding to dlet and to you in the same post. Thank you for pointing that out. Please, let me correct it for you.
You can thank Reagan for the for bringing in the religious right and making Repubs wear the false mask of uber-social conservatism to get their votes.
Comment by dlet — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Actually, you can thank Roe v. Wade (which I support) for the rise of the religious right. That is what mobilized the evangelicals. Reagan would have beat Carter even without the religious right’s support.
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Shoud have thought of that before you blindly supported the NeoCon BushCo Crime Family. See, you got what you asked for, and the problem is, the rest of us and the world, are paying the price.
No sympathy from us, sorry!
Comment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
So, you know if I voted and who for? How?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:17 pmComment by Statisco — August 29, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
TP isn’t calling for Craig’s resignation. The Repubs are.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:18 pmReagan would have beat Carter even without the religious right’s support.
Comment by upside00
Frankly……
Carter didn’t do much about the Oil Company created gas shortage of the 70s and giving away the Panama Canal was a big show stopper for Carter as well. The Iran Hostage crisis didn’t help much either, in his re-election campaign.
His work with low income housing since leaving Office has been wonderful though.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:18 pmVitter–the other hypocrite? Isn’t the diaper business equally distasteful to the Repugs as the footsies in the toilet? Oh, I forgot. Vitter was going to pay for a whore. Completrely different situation! snark.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“Republicans understand, Brian, the issue of hypocrisy. The notion of a conservative Republican who constantly votes against gay rights, doing something contrary to that. They just don’t want the 2008 election to have those kinds of overtones, the way they did in 2006.”
by TP
Can a homosexual be against what Liberals call gay rights? Of course he can.
How is this being a hypocrite? Only the small minded, can’t think, don’t understand, poorly educated Liberals would claim that a homosexual that is against what the left calls gay rights is a hypocrite.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:19 pmComment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
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Ted Kennedy is still in congress for the same reason Laura Bush is not in prison for running over and killing her daughter’s boyfriend.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:19 pmShoud have thought of that before you blindly supported the NeoCon BushCo Crime Family. See, you got what you asked for, and the problem is, the rest of us and the world, are paying the price.
No sympathy from us, sorry!
Comment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am
So, you know if I voted and who for? How?
Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
You are right! But as a Republican, it was assumed you did vote for Dubya. Unless you tell us otherwise, that will continue to be our stance. Care to share?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pmDeLay is the answer. Oh that’s right he’s gone. How about Frist? Maybe he can video diagnose the confused Senator from Idaho.
Scandals in congress are running 11 to 1 republican to democrat. See they can lead in something.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pmwhy
It is being a hypocrit when you champion “Family values” and you routinely solicit sex from men in restrooms.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#14 Agreed, just as killing your mistress is doing the Ted.
Comment by Frank J — August 29, 2007 @ 11:30 am
sorry Frank, that’s the “Scarborough”.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThis is a misdemeanor, keep in mind.
Comment by Statisco
Keep in mind, impeachment and removal from office is valid for “High crimes and misdemeanors” according to the Constitution that Neocons hate so much.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
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This isn’t a question of gay rights. It wouldn’t make any difference if he was soliciting a female undercover police officer. The fact that the police officer is male is not the point. The fact that he was arrested, offered a fair trial with a lawyer, and plead guilty is the issue. Republicans will continue to defend him, and will try to keep him in the senate as long as they can.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:23 pm#
This is a misdemeanor, keep in mind.
Comment by Statisco
Keep in mind, impeachment and removal from office is valid for “High crimes and misdemeanors†according to the Constitution that Neocons hate so much.
Comment by Wayne — August 29, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
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Also, keep in mind that Clinton was impeached for something that is not even a crime at all, let alone a misdemeanor.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:24 pmComment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
While the left is screaming about hypocrisy, their chief liberal in the Senate, Mr. Edward Kennedy, did something quite worse than playing footsy. Breaking the law — any law — is hypocrisy. Not only has the left allowed him to remain in the Senate despite his hypocrisy, they made him Senate Majority Whip and even a presidential candidate.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pmRepublicans will continue to defend him, and will try to keep him in the senate as long as they can.
I hope they do. It’s the Reps that are calling for his removal… and the voters. So people complaining about a double standard should read a little more & see where the howling is coming from. I’d prefer he stay in orifice & be a constant reminder of Republican Family Values.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pmI believe this article is wrong. I see plenty of republicans defending him and pushing for him to stay.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThe senator is not gay; he just has sex with men.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:27 pmFrank J, a portrait in denial and wishful thinking.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:27 pmComment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
By your logic Laura Bush should be removed as first lady.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:28 pmBy your logic Laura Bush should be removed as first lady.
Comment by Primus Inter Arse — August 29, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
I’ll second that logic, if she takes her dolt of a husband back to the village.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThey really miss their idiot.
Comment by Chris L — August 29, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
If TP didn’t care whether he resigned, they wouldn’t be reporting this significantly.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:29 pmComment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
I’ll admit to voting for Bush once, and not voting the second time.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pmLot’s of really ugly stuff posted here. Seems to me that if guys like this didn’t need to be in the closet, we wouldn’t have the problem. People who are afraid of gays need to get a grip on reality and move on to an issue that has meaning. This poor guy is as much a victim as he is an offender, and the offense is in his desperate, sad denial of who he really is.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:31 pmtoday’s troll comments are funny!
August 29th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI’ll admit to voting for Bush once, and not voting the second time.
Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Thank you for your honesty and we are in agreement that you need YOUR party back. I do support a two party system, just not when the “other party” is anti-constitution, Rule of Law and immoral hypocrites.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:32 pmRepublicans will continue to defend him, and will try to keep him in the senate as long as they can.
I hope they do. It’s the Reps that are calling for his removal… and the voters. So people complaining about a double standard should read a little more & see where the howling is coming from. I’d prefer he stay in orifice & be a constant reminder of Republican Family Values.
Comment by Dave C — August 29, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
You know, I have heard quite a few Liberal pundits talk about this Family Values thing. The way they talk about it they admit they have no Family Values.
They say, “If Republicans are going to use the Family Values card, they better live by it. We don’t throw this card out.”
so, Liberal pundits and politicians admit that they have ZERO family values and that they are a bunch of amoral fools.
So, in this country you have two kinds of politicians, those that throw out the Family Value card and don’t live by their standards and then those that have ZERO family values. Take your pick people.
Nice to know. Incredible!
August 29th, 2007 at 12:32 pmIt is being a hypocrit when you champion “Family values†and you routinely solicit sex from men in restrooms.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
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Excellent moral compass you have there Brucey.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:32 pm…so you have never ever never ever never never ever ever told a lie or done anything dishonest or mean or hypocritcal?
Comment by Primus Inter Arse — August 29, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Mr. Kennedy pled to a crime. Laura Bush wasn’t charged at all.
One has a criminal record, no less than that of Mr. Craig. Notice the difference?
Where’s the hypocrisy outcry there? He’s still in the Senate. (I repeat: breaking any law that you are entrusted with modifying, creating, or judging is hypocrisy.)
August 29th, 2007 at 12:33 pmIf TP didn’t care whether he resigned, they wouldn’t be reporting this significantly.
Comment by Statisco — August 29, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
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I agree. I’m sure they do want him to resign. As I said in post #109, I believe this article is wrong. I see plenty of republicans defending him and pushing for him to stay.
TP is trying to say that conservatives want him (Craig) out. I disagree. There are numerous republicans embroiled in scandal that are still serving in congress. Check out http://www.beyonddelay.org . It is generally NOT the standard republican practice to demand someone’s resignation, just because they broke the law.
Personally, I think he should resign, for the same reason Jefferson should resign. Because he broke the law.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pmRule of Law and immoral hypocrites
This was Clinton’s speciality.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pmBob, I can attest that I have never, ever, ever, ever, solicited sex from the stall next to me in the men’s room.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pmComment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
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This isn’t a question of gay rights. It wouldn’t make any difference if he was soliciting a female undercover police officer. The fact that the police officer is male is not the point. The fact that he was arrested, offered a fair trial with a lawyer, and plead guilty is the issue. Republicans will continue to defend him, and will try to keep him in the senate as long as they can.
Comment by Chris L — August 29, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
You mean like the male Democrat who has been kept in Congress who had sex with a 17 year old male? oh, ok.
what’s your point. both parties want power. Sh…t, you people have kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate despite his drowing of his girlfriend in the 1970s. so, what’s your point?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:35 pmIf
TPHewitt didn’t care whether he resigned, they wouldn’t be reporting this significantly.WHy is Hewitt clamoring for his resignation? Why did he resign from Romneys campaign?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:35 pmPersonally, I think he should resign, for the same reason Jefferson should resign. Because he broke the law.
Comment by Chris L — August 29, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I am not defending Jefferson at all, I think he is guilty, and wish he would resign, but I do see where he is pleading innocent and therefore feels to resign would hurt his defense, he is staying. Where Craig did PLEAD out his case, so it is a different situation.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:37 pmMr. Kennedy pled to a crime. -Bob
Mr Kennedy drove drunk. By your logic then both Dick Cheney -2 DUIS, and George Bush -1 DUI, should not be in office.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThe poor Repuds are stuck arguing about 20 and 35 year old scandals.
Pathetic.
Don’t worry about the mote in my eye when you have a pickle in your face.
-GSD
August 29th, 2007 at 12:37 pmRule of Law and immoral hypocrites
This was Clinton’s speciality.
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Tell me about it, Clinton claimed to be for women’s right. He sure was, he loved their right to go down on him. Clinton used women as objects, yet Liberal feminists who supposedly are against women being used as objects adore and worship.
You can’t be a greater hypocrite than Billy Boy Clinton.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:37 pmRUserious avoids question – typical leftard
August 29th, 2007 at 12:38 pmI agree Jefferson needs to go,/resign.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:38 pmwhat’s your point. both parties want power. Sh…t, you people have kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate despite his drowing of his girlfriend in the 1970s. so, what’s your point?
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
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Deal! The dems can remove both individuals that you mentioned (and Jefferson) and the repubs can give up the 20 congressmen they have that have either already been convicted, or are currently under investigation. I don’t defend based on party lines. If you break the law, republican or democrat, you need to leave.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:39 pmYou people put a coke snorting, draft dodging, dry drunk into office and stand behind him because of??????????Fear. It can’t be for fiscal responsibility. Can’t be for border security. Can’t be for less govt? Might be for the sham of lower taxes but take a closer look at that.
So what’s your point whyknee.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:39 pm#
You can’t be a greater hypocrite than Billy Boy Clinton.
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
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Who is currently not serving in our senate!
August 29th, 2007 at 12:40 pmI don’t defend based on party lines. If you break the law, republican or democrat, you need to leave.
Comment by Chris L
Right on.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmLook at the list of Republican Party scandals at the Grand Ol Docket. Compare them to the relatively few Democratic scandals.
Also remember what party was going to come in to Washington and clean it up in 1994 and which president said that he would “restore honor and dignity” to the Whitehouse.
Grand Ol Docket.
-GSD
August 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThe poor Repuds are stuck arguing about 20 and 35 year old scandals.
Pathetic.
Don’t worry about the mote in my eye when you have a pickle in your face.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 29, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
You said it boy…..I am sure you tell this to the Democratic politicians who constantly want to find Republican scandals.
It is normal operating procedures for the Democratic politicians to claim Republican scandal on things that Democratic politicians do all the time. When a Republican does it, it is a scandal, when a Democratic politician does it, well it is ok, right?
idiot.
the scandals wouldn’t be relevant today if the politicians in your party that were invovled in these were not in the Senate/Congress.
If your politicians didn’t resign, why should ours, care to explain the hypocrisy?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmDidn’t Senator Craig have gay sex with men in public bathrooms? It sure seems so.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pmso, Liberal pundits and politicians admit that they have ZERO family values and that they are a bunch of amoral fools.
No, they say nothing of the kind, even in your made-up quote.
You can’t even read your own writing properly.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pm.
Mr. Kennedy pled to a crime. -Bob
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What year was that? Maybe he plead because he felt pressure from an Idaho newspaper? Kick Kennedy out. Fine. But you have to kick out the republicans who have been involved in crimes in this century.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pmYou people…
You people…
You people…
Stop resorting to vague generalizations, and try making a “point”.
Why do “points” hate America so?
August 29th, 2007 at 12:42 pmcraig is selling kneepads to his constituents so they can pray hard & for long that he’ll win re-election
August 29th, 2007 at 12:43 pmwhat’s your point. both parties want power. Sh…t, you people have kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate despite his drowing of his girlfriend in the 1970s. so, what’s your point?
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
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Deal! The dems can remove both individuals that you mentioned (and Jefferson) and the repubs can give up the 20 congressmen they have that have either already been convicted, or are currently under investigation. I don’t defend based on party lines. If you break the law, republican or democrat, you need to leave.
Comment by Chris L — August 29, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
wow, so all Democratic politicians that are under investigation should resign? is this your motto. Because if it is, I am with you. If you demand the resignation of all politicians who have pleaded guilty to a crime, or are under investigation…..well, Democrats would lose all of their politicians and Republicans about 2/3s.
Don’t be dumb enough to believe the Liberal line that current Democrartic politicans in DC and aroudn the nation are not under investigation.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by why
So many words in your post, for so few coherent thoughts used to post them.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhere’s the hypocrisy outcry there? He’s still in the Senate. (I repeat: breaking any law that you are entrusted with modifying, creating, or judging is hypocrisy.)
Comment by Statisco
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Repeating this to libtards is futile. They live in an alternate universe.
Hypocrisy is just a Republican issue. No Dems are ever accused of it Statisco.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmIt is normal operating procedures for the Democratic politicians to claim Republican scandal on things that Democratic politicians do all the time. When a Republican does it, it is a scandal, when a Democratic politician does it, well it is ok, right?
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
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I disagree. When was the last time a dem was arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover police officer in a male restroom, and you heard dems defending him? Like I said before, this article is wrong. The republicans are defending him.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmComment by GSD — August 29, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
The “35-40 year old” scandal is still relevant because he’s still serving in the Senate despite his hypocrisy — breaking the law. That’s quite the free pass from the hypocrisy monitors.
It’s discouraging to see your “aged out” defense, when I’m sure there are people with clean records in Massachussets who could be serving as Senator without depending on their family name to get them off the hook.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmComment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
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Do the math.
The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress
* Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT)
* Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN)
* Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
* Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO)
* Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA)
* Rep. John Doolittle (R-CA)
* Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL)
* Rep. Katherine Harris (R-FL)
* Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA)
* Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
* Rep. Gary Miller (R-CA)
* Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV)
* Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
* Rep. Richard Pombo (R-CA)
* Rep. Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
* Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX)
* Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY)
* Rep. Charles Taylor (R-NC)
* Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
* Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA)
Dishonorable Mentions
* Rep. Chris Cannon (R-UT)
* Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
* Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ)
* Rep. John Murtha (D-PA)
August 29th, 2007 at 12:46 pm* Rep. Don Sherwood (R-P
They have not “aged out” Bush” DUI but Teddy hell yea he is on our side.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm(I repeat: breaking any law that you are entrusted with modifying, creating, or judging is hypocrisy.)
Now you’ve made it so broad that any senator who breaks the speed limit is the same thing as Sen. Craig. Then again, I guess the only trick you have left is to obscure the issue.
And it looks like Bob was the only guy dumb enough to fall for it.
No wonder your party is dying. You’re inferior.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm.
You said it boy…..I am sure you tell this to the Democratic politicians who constantly want to find Republican scandals. -Why
Thats just silly, Rove was trying to get the DOJ to FIND voter fraud for years, they didn’t find squat. Talk about politicians looking for molehills.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm#
They have not “aged out†Bush†DUI but Teddy hell yea he is on our side.
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
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I have already said several times on this thread that Ted Kennedy should go. So should Bush.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:48 pmThey have not “aged out†Bush†DUI but Teddy hell yea he is on our side.
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007
Yeh, lets talk about that no child left behind act.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:48 pmno lets talk about Teddy
August 29th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI like Rachel Maddow’s suggestion that if Larry Craig would just come out, then he wouldn’t have to troll bathrooms for sex.
Again, this is not a partisan issue; it is an issue of character and hypocrisy. Senator Craig attacked Bill Clinton with vigor calling Clinton immoral. He said, “It’s a, bad boy, Bill Clinton. You’re a naughty boy. The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy, a naughty boy.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI’m going to speak out for the citizens of my state, who in the majority think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.â€
“Don’t be dumb enough to believe the Liberal line that current Democrartic politicans in DC and aroudn the nation are not under investigation.”
Comment by why
If there are, it’s no surprise, given the way Bush has politicized the Justice department.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:50 pmTell me about it, Clinton claimed to be for women’s right. He sure was, he loved their right to go down on him. Clinton used women as objects, yet Liberal feminists who supposedly are against women being used as objects adore and worship.
You can’t be a greater hypocrite than Billy Boy Clinton.
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
you lie like a republican. nothing but straw men and 40-year-old mischaracterizations. no wonder your party is done. finally, an forever, donr.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:51 pmRepublican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
“The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos.â€
Comment by Frank J
Yeh, you got rid of that weirdo, after he got imprisoned.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pm#
Yeh, lets talk about that no child left behind act.
Comment by Primus Inter Arse — August 29, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
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no lets talk about Teddy
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
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What if we talk about the topic of this thread?
Conservatives ‘Just Want Senator Craig To Exit, To Leave’
I disagree. It appears to me that all of the conservatives on this site want him to stay.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pmStatisco the libtard brain is very complicated and convoluted. It’s from evolutionary mutations gone wrong. Hypocrisy is not fully understood by the libtard brain.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pmNo he needs to go soon.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:53 pmYou can’t be a greater hypocrite than Billy Boy Clinton.
Comment by why
At least it was conscensual. Besides the Hypoxcrite Newt was doing the SAME thing at the SAME time.
Don’t you have any up to dat talking points?
As I recall Monica was also charged with Perjury.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:54 pm“Hypocrisy is not fully understood by the libtard brain.”
Comment by Bob
Oh, after seven years of daily demonstrations of conservative hypocrisy, we know what it is, in great detail.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:55 pmExcellent moral compass you have there Brucey.
…so you have never ever never ever never never ever ever told a lie or done anything dishonest or mean or hypocritcal?
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
I have never preached that anybody ever follow a line I don’t follow myself and I have never lied about what I am in order to try and win some sort of false respect from anyone.
I am a mean person, but I am also a fairly honest one. I have lied but never to win an argument and never about anything important. And honestly?
You guys are raising a case of an accidental death (Ted Kennedy, which that moron why claims to be murder) and Clinton getting a blowjob (Funny that I don’t really remember his stance on family values hey?) in defense of a guy who publically rabidly judged others as being his moral inferiors on matters of sexual morality – who has been revealed to routinely engage in the exact same sexual acts he publically reviled.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:56 pmStatisco the libtard brain is very complicated and convoluted. It’s from evolutionary mutations gone wrong. Hypocrisy is not fully understood by the libtard brain. Comment by Bob
Okay, fine, lets look at the sexually repressed ConPERVative mindset.
Young Republican leader pleads guilty to rape
August 29th, 2007 at 12:56 pmMichael Flory, a 32-year-old attorney from Jackson, Mich., pleaded guilty to sexual battery on the day he was to stand trial for rape. …
http://www.bilerico.com/2007/08/young_republican_leader_pleads_guilty_to.php
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No he needs to go soon.
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
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I thought it was your position that he should stay because Ted Kennedy killed somebody? To go back and read your posts, it appears to me that you are defending Craig by pointing out that dems have done bad things too.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:56 pmYes; the longer Craig stays, the lower repubs sink in the polls – so let him stay on until election day.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:57 pmRomney tossed Craig under the bus and rightly so, but it was for political reasons not ethics.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI don’t care if Craig is gay but he shouldn’t speak out against gay marriage if he is gay. This behavior is hypocritical.
Stop trying to defend Craig with another persons actions. Its not the reason Craig did what he did!!!!
August 29th, 2007 at 1:00 pmToo bad Craig can’t claim it was just a “youthful indescretion.”
August 29th, 2007 at 1:00 pmhttp://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples_of_Republican_hypocrisy_on_moral_values
August 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pmSh…t, you people have kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate despite his drowing of his girlfriend in the 1970s. so, what’s your point?
Wha … ?
Dumbass doesn’t even know what DECADE it happened. It’s like the bushtards who claim that Monica Lewinsky was a “teenager.”
Then again, if they weren’t idiots, they wouldn’t be conservatives.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pm.
Yes; the longer Craig stays, the lower repubs sink in the polls – so let him stay on until election day.
Comment by barfly — August 29, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
you are right….but you know why? because we hold our politicians, Republican politicians to high moral standards.
On the other hand, Democratic voters know that their Democratic politicians are scum, amoral, bunch of hypocrites. So you guys expect and demand that your Democratic politicians behave like pathetic, amoral political pigs.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:03 pmGrand Moff Texan u a hypocrit?
August 29th, 2007 at 1:03 pmyou are right….but you know why? because we hold our politicians, Republican politicians to high moral standards.
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
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http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples_of_Republican_hypocrisy_on_moral_values
August 29th, 2007 at 1:04 pmSh…t, you people have kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate despite his drowing of his girlfriend in the 1970s. so, what’s your point?
Wha … ?
Dumbass doesn’t even know what DECADE it happened. It’s like the bushtards who claim that Monica Lewinsky was a “teenager.â€
Then again, if they weren’t idiots, they wouldn’t be conservatives.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — August 29, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
regardless what decade it happen, the point stands. You Libtards and Dumbcrats embrace amoral politicians. We kick them out.
but don’t worry, your level of stupidity displayed here is why you are a Liberal.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — August 29, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
I never said it was murder, but he did plead to a crime. Mr. Craig pled to general disorderly conduct charge, not a specifically lewd and lacivious charge, so I can’t take it as a fact that he wanted to practice some man love.
In conclusion, Mr. Craig should be given the second chance others have been given. If Mr. Craig has to go, so should Mr. Kennedy and others with previous ethics violations.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:05 pmTed Kennedy is still in congress for the same reason Laura Bush is not in prison for running over and killing her daughter’s boyfriend.
Comment by Chris L — August 29, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Let us not start false rumors. It was her own boy friend that she T-Boned.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:06 pmIn conclusion, Mr. Craig should be given the second chance others have been given. If Mr. Craig has to go, so should Mr. Kennedy and others with previous ethics violations.
Comment by Statistico — August 29, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
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Thank you for making this point Statistico. As I said earlier, I do not believe republicans want Craig to leave.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:07 pm178. so I can’t take it as a fact that he wanted to practice some man love.
Comment by Statistico — August 29, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Nice blinders where do I get a pair?
August 29th, 2007 at 1:08 pmLet us not start false rumors. It was her own boy friend that she T-Boned.
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 29, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
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Ah. My apologies. Which lawyer was it that she shot in the face with a shotgun?
August 29th, 2007 at 1:08 pmOne more thing – being gay doesn’t affect one’s ability to govern.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:08 pmDishonesty and hypocrisy affect everyone’s opinion of one’s capabilities as a leader. It goes far beyond simple partisanship.
From Chris’ link (about Bob Barr):
Was married three times. Paid for his second wife’s abortion. Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmIt’s funny Libs calling out Republican hypocrisy.
Politicians who promise everthing and never keep those promises that’shypocrisy. They all do it Dems included. Sorry to break the bad news TP.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmCan the governor of Idaho appoint himself to fill the vacancy?
August 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmAh. My apologies. Which lawyer was it that she shot in the face with a shotgun? Comment by Chris L
It was Abramoff
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Politicians who promise everthing and never keep those promises that’shypocrisy. They all do it Dems included. Sorry to break the bad news TP.
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
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Oh, we know all about that. Just ask anyone here about FISA.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHypocrisy is not fully understood by the libtard brain.
Comment by Bob
Hypocrisy, is, however, understood and welcomed by the rightard “brain”, which is one very small organ, shared by all rightards.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThey all do it Dems included. Sorry to break the bad news TP.
Comment by Bob
Well helloOOooOOOOOoo Bob. Surely you have heard this inumerable times.”Never Trust a Politician!”
August 29th, 2007 at 1:12 pmAnd here’s a reference to that accident.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:13 pmTP dropped one of my comments so I’ll repeat.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:13 pmRomney tossed Craig under the bus and rightly so, but it was for political reasons not ethics.
I don’t care if Craig is gay but he shouldn’t speak out against gay marriage if he is gay. This behavior is hypocritical.
“Never Trust a Politician!â€
Comment by Primus Inter Arse
Actually, it’s “never trust a woman,” but close enough.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:14 pmHypocrisy, is, however, understood and welcomed by the rightard “brainâ€, which is one very small organ, shared by all rightards.
Comment by ronjazz
I think Benjamin Disraeli said it best in the house of commons “A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy”
August 29th, 2007 at 1:15 pmActually, it’s “never trust a woman,†but close enough.
Comment by Agamemnon
Thats why Rudy wears dresses.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:16 pmWell helloOOooOOOOOoo Bob. Surely you have heard this inumerable times.â€Never Trust a Politician!â€
Comment by Primus Inter Arse — August 29, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Just so, which is why Bushco has so badly damaged the government, by erasing 200 years of checks and balances, destroying the DOJ, signing statements flouting the law, and dictatorial behavior on the level of a Noriega or Saddam. I can’t help but notice that the libs on this and other blogs stand willing to castigate and punish Dem lawbreakers as well as Repukes, but the rightards are always looking for a free pass for their perverts. Personal Responsibility is a joke in the GOP.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:16 pmCraig should stay just where he is … with the Grand Old Perverts. Resign? Let him remain and run for re election in ‘08.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:20 pm“Personal Responsibility is a joke in the GOP.”
Comment by ronjazz
New joke: “How many republicans does it take to screw up the country?”
The punch line? We’re living it.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:23 pmIt wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the MSM (and Russert) knew that Craig was gay. They just didn’t care because he was a Republican, and the MSM has been running the “story” that Dems are immoral and evil, Republicans are moral and absolutely perfect, when in fact, the GOP are the biggest perverts in the world.
Wonder what Russert does in his bedroom? A pretty sick thought….
August 29th, 2007 at 1:27 pmIn conclusion, Mr. Craig should be given the second chance others have been given. If Mr. Craig has to go, so should Mr. Kennedy and others with previous ethics violations.
Comment by Statistico — August 29, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
1: Legal violation and an ethics violation are two different things. (Though neither case shows a case of congressional ethics being violated.)
2: Kennedy’s legal violation (Leaving the scene of an accident) while a sign of weakness, wasn’t hypocritical in its nature. Craig’s violation on the other hand put the lie to everything he ever said about family values.
3: While you didn’t claim Kennedy is a murderer, why strongly implied it.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:30 pmLet’s start the next exciting round of REPUBLICAN EXCUSE ROUND-UP!
1. “We get rid of our sickos.” — BZZZTT!!! Oh! I’m sorry, that’s the wrong answer! Mark Foley was known to be chasing little boys for YEARS and you only moved to get rid of him when he got caught! Everyone knows about Ted “Bridge to Nowhere” Stevens and he’s still hanging on. Where was “getting rid of the sickos” when it came out Vitter was putting on diapers and going to see “Ho’s”? Virtually everyone involved in Iran-contra was able to be employed under following Republican administrations. And have you booted Bob “Black people scare me enough to make me suck dick” Allen yet? Huh? Speak up!
2. Dems do it too! — BZZZZTT!! I’m sorry, that answer was disqualified when I was four years old! What’s more, what exactly did they do? Did they claim to be paragons of morality and then sneak off to bathrooms to smoke pole while trying to sign discrimination against others with their own urges into the constitution? Has it ever occurred to you that the reason Dems get re-elected is that they present themselves as human beings? Clinton lied, and he apologized and we forgave him. You know…like good CHRISTIANS! You’ve heard of them, right? If Craig came out and said “look, I have this problem and I’ve been trying to hide it and it’s not working and I’m sorry.” I wouldn’t have a problem with the guy. He plead guilty and got his sentence. Instead, we’ll have to deal with him going to gay rehab and whatnot…
3. Aha! You Dems are homophobes too! Look how you hate on Craig! — BZZZT!! Oooh, I’m sorry. But the correct answer was that Democrats don’t have a problem with him being gay, they have a problem with him being a hypocrit. Much like you’re being when you claim you get rid of your sickos. It’s the hipocrasy, stupid.
We’ve got Bob “on my knees” Allen pushing laws against lewd public behavior, Ted “anti-gay evangelical leader” Haggard who couldn’t decide whether to fill his mouth with gay prostitute pole or meth, Mark “council on missing and EXPLOITED children” Foley chasing little boys, and now Capt. Conservative Craig trying for an under the stall reacharound. It’s called “pattern recognition.”
4. But..but…what’s the crime in acting wierd in a stall? You all are prejudging him! — BZZT!!! He already PLEAD GUILTY! So he’s either a sick perv (children use those bathrooms) or he perjured himself. And he’s an idiot to boot for not getting a lawyer and thinking he’d never be found out. And you never mention the flash of the Senate business card when you try this lame defense. Read the report, he was charged with misconduct, but he admitted guilt to lewd behavior. The words are right there.
I’m sorry, but you lose. But we do have a consolation prize…it’ll be delivered in early November of 2008!
August 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pmIt is the only thing they have Bruce, the need to bring up something about Kennedy. I mean everytime the mans name is mentioned the rightards go bugnuts. it’s almost as much fun as mentioning Clinton either Bill or Hillary and watching start frothing at the mouth.
I really do want Hillary to win the presidency, I think all the rightards would choke to death on their own bile if she did.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI have to hand it to the right side of the aisle. They have some crazy skeletons in their closets.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pmI have to hand it to the right side of the aisle. They have some crazy skeletons in their closets.
Comment by Master Shake — August 29, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Not to mention what is in that “man-sized safe” in Darth’s office! Now THAT is creepy!
August 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThey say, “If Republicans are going to use the Family Values card, they better live by it. We don’t throw this card out.â€
so, Liberal pundits and politicians admit that they have ZERO family values and that they are a bunch of amoral fools.
So, in this country you have two kinds of politicians, those that throw out the Family Value card and don’t live by their standards and then those that have ZERO family values. Take your pick people.
Nice to know. Incredible!
Comment by why — August 29, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Not correct. Dems live their lives the way they were taught & hope others do the same. Reps live their lives the way they were taught, use that as a political platform & demand that the country follow their example. When that example leads to gay sex in a public bathroom it’s cause for hilarity. Dems make mistakes too, but they don’t spend the entirety of their public lives condemning the rest of the country for their lifestyle.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmhave to hand it to the right side of the aisle. They have some crazy skeletons in their closets.
Comment by Master Shake — August 29, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
More like entire graveyards!
August 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pm“Not to mention what is in that “man-sized safe†in Darth’s office! Now THAT is creepy!”
Comment by upside00
Sniper rifles and rocket launchers are somewhat bulky, and have long barrels….
August 29th, 2007 at 2:09 pmBubba Clinton says (vows) publicly in front of wedding party guests,
I promise to love and honor, cherish and “value” Hillary.
Then commits adultery on multiple ocassions to show how much he “values†Hillary his loving and commited wifey poo.
Family “values†WTF?
Hypocrisy maybe? not according to a Libtardal brain
How many women did Clinton score while in the WH? anyone?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmHow many women did Clinton score while in the WH? anyone?
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Here is what the wingtards are really pissed off about. Clinton scoring with chicks. It reminds them of their lonely desperate high school days, when their best girl, was their right hand.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:16 pmRight kraz:)
August 29th, 2007 at 2:23 pmHow many women did Clinton score while in the WH? anyone?
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007
Gee, do you think we could find out WHY “Jeff Gannon” stayed over 80 times at the White House, and didn’t sign out.
Given the FACT that he was a GAY PROSTITUTE begs the question as to WHO was using his services… Likely Bush…
Also, with HYPOCRITES like David “Diaper and Dildo” Vitter, Larry “Lavatory Solicitation” Craig, and PEDOPHILE Mark Foley (all R’s),
Clinton’s consensual affair with an ADULT FEMALE seems pretty NORMAL…
August 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pmSee? Look at the posts since I posted. It’s the same tired excuses.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThe same lame misproven claims.
Equating the fact that we don’t tar and feather people for who they sleep with to not having values.
It’s always those same four broken excuses. They can’t help themselves…and that’s why they’ll eternally be “surpised” and “shocked” when people everyone knew was doing this kind of stuff get caught.
Where were your family values when we decided to start torturing POWs?
Where were your family values when you bombed abortion clinics?
Where were your family values when you betrayed the country’s national security and outed a CIA agent?
Where were your family values when you swept Mark Foley’s known behaviour under the carpet?
And you don’t expect us to believe you didn’t know about Craig, do you? He’s been accused of this stuff since 1982 and the guy he met with at the Union Station bathroom a couple years back, that you claimed just didn’t happen, was a Republican insider who went unnamed.
Don’t throw stones in glass houses. Philistines. Don’t point out the splinter in my eye when you have a log in yours. These sinners have a better chance of getting into my father’s kingdom than you do? Does ANY of that sound familiar?
Try reading the bible, as opposed to hitting people in the head with it, and this will happen to you a lot less.
Oh, as an aside to the whole values thing. You notice that you have to resort to Clinton, Barney Franks and Kennedy, whose scandals happened DECADES apart?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYet the distance between Republican sex scandals are best measured with a stopwatch.
Don’t forget that all three scandals involving Kennedy, Franks, and Clinton were held up as ways not to be.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI.J. you have carefully selected stories that TP posts.
Use Google much?
August 29th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWould that be a front door exit or a back door exit?
Just wondering.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI.J. you have carefully selected stories that TP posts.
Use Google much?
Huh? Never been here until today. And I didn’t reference any stories in my post. I’m not sure what you are referring to. Sorry to bust your conspiracy theory.
Next time, try focusing on the message.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pmHow many women did Clinton score while in the WH? anyone?
Comment by Bob — August 29, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
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George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999.
Neil Bush, brother or G. W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while on an Asian business trip. (Overshadowing the sex scandal; the business scandal–see link.)
August 29th, 2007 at 3:37 pmThank goodness it wasn’t Vitter the Shitter in the next stall!
Things could have got really, really messy!
And what’s that about Rove and Gannon/Guckert/HotMilitaryStud having a “friendship” that “dates” back to high school?
August 29th, 2007 at 4:39 pmUntil Timmeh can sit onstage with Karl Rove and interview him, then he should not be allowed to speak.
August 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pmNo no, he ain’t getting away that easy. We ain’t even begun the roasting yet.
August 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmHaha, basically, being Republican means admitting you’re a closeted homosexual.
I love it. Good luck at the next GOP convention in the bathroom, kids!
August 29th, 2007 at 10:03 pmSh…t, you people have kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate despite his
drowing(SIC) of his girlfriend in the 1970s. so, what’s your point?
Comment by why
Yet a new moniker, I see, valiantthehater, etc. But your poor spelling and syntax, run-on sentences, etc. give you away, as usual.
August 30th, 2007 at 3:54 amFirst of all, since I’m not and have never been registered to vote in Massachusetts, I haven’t kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate. Secondly, since you are so concerned about fatal car accidents that occurred in the 1960s (not 1970s–a fact you could have easily looked up), please tell us what you think about Laura Welch Bush running through a stop sign and killing her classmate (and maybe ex-boyfriend).
Finally, both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have DUI arrest records, but that obviously doesn’t bother you they way it does for Patrick Kennedy, who was quick to seek help, unlike your unheroic heroes.
Hypocrisy and corruption go hand in hand with the GOP these days. It’s too late for the GOP to try to fix the political fallout from Craig’s guilty plea. Craig will be the Mark Foley of the 2008 elections.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:12 amSenator Craig is a politikal liability.
The longer he stays to be the clown
in this growing politikal circus,
the more Republican party will suffer.
This public feeding frenzy has just begun.
What does he think
he’s doing out there?
Have some decency Senator Craig
and resign.
The show is over Larry.
August 30th, 2007 at 10:47 pmget your stuff and go!
The backdrop of the incident is unclear. Is this airport’s rest room a gay meeting place or known to be a gay meeting place? And if the allegations were true, how would the Senator have established that the person in the stall next to him could possibly have been gay, unless he first met him on the way in or at the sink? Would he be making sexual advances to someone whom he hasn’t even seen? It could have been a 90 year old man in the next stall or a child.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:28 amIf this was the potential type of random encounter, there could be a high risk for any number of diseases. What would be interesting is if the Senator was a blood donor.
Then whether the Senator is gay or not, the tactics used on him seem to point to an invasion of privacy. The Idaho Statesmen, interviewed over 300 people on his history all from the point of view of his sexuality. I would like to see this newspaper reporter have someone interview 300 people who knew him looking for so called folly.
This type of looking in on people’s behavior in a bathroom or stalking people has Orwellian implications if anyone has read 1984 where people were looked in on by Big Brother. Whatever this case goes into, it really goes into the area of invasion of privacy and that is the greater crime here or the giant issue here. With the availability of minute cameras, is someone’s visit or anyone’s visit to a stall in a bathroom videotaped? Or are there these small devices looking up women’s dresses from the sidewalk?
In fact Senator Craig may have had homosexual liason’s. Does this mean that all of the sudden he shouldn’t work? Should every homosexual just go home and never work again?
It does seem regardless that a Senator can’t have a double life in terms of sexuality. It had long been said that homosexuality is something that can’t come out if you want to make it big in politics.
As to whether if Graig is and was a homosexual and did vote against gay marriage it doesn’t follow that a politician that is homosexual automatically has to champion factions of gay rights. Political views can differ from personal views. If I smoke pot, that doesn’t mean I have to be an advocate for pot.
Another aspect of this is the large degree of homosexual material available on the Web, and there must be a lot of users of this material for the amount that is out there. It is like the drug problem, when Kilo’s of cocaine are coming into a county, you know there are users and buyers in greater numbers. In general, this country is the in the core of hypocrisy when it ocmes to letting the steam out of the pot of sexuality.