Sounds like she came in with enough background not to let them blow green smoke up her agenda.

If we get out, don’t be suprised if the killing actually goes down. This is not Vietnam no matter what the Winged Waffling Warrior from Texas says. It just proves he doesn’t read history.

And Pol Pot was killing in those fields before we pulled out.

Comment by toasterhead — August 29, 2007 @ 9:19 pm

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please learn:

http://www.debunking911.com/

Comment by RingoDingo — August 29, 2007 @ 8:08 pm

“No one has conclusively proven that the US was responsible….”

Especially all of the wanna-be structural engineers who refuse to believe that planes could have taken down those towers and actually think that it was controlled demolition. Are you one of those idiots?

Maybe you should change your name to RingoDingbat.

Comment by toasterhead — August 29, 2007 @ 8:15 pm

“The U.S. was not responsible for executing the attacks, but they are responsible for causing them to happen.”

Oh, of course those poor souls that planned and carried out those attacks were desperate people just reacting to the oppression that they have incurred as a result of U.S. foreign policy. That’s total BS! The people who planned and financed the 9/11 attacks were rich well to do thugs. These al Qaeda types, ALL OF THEM, are victims of their own hate filled ideology not of U.S. foreign policy.

“No, I don’t believe that. In fact, I believe the U.N. uses similar methods to count casualties after natural disasters.”

The link you posted that states the number of Iraqis killed since the 2003 invasion cites the Lancet reports. BTW the U.N. was one of the main critics of this report you cited.

Comment by RingoDingo — August 29, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

The Lancet report was produced with a flawed methodology as stated in the link I posted especially when the data is being attempted to be gathered in an active war zone. It’s common knowledge that this is not something you attempt to do when the situation on the ground inside the war zone is soo fluid and then expect people to take it as fact.

I think this is off the chart in terms of irresponsible character assassination. Members of the National Guard are our neighbors and children and friends and co-workers. They have families, and mortgages, and pretty much the same priorities in life that most of the rest of us do. They didn’t take to murder and pillaging before going over, and if any of them are into it “over there” they’d probably be undesirables in Omaha or Augusta or Redwood City, too.

ps. You forgot rape. And somehow overlooked the potential reference to brownshirts.

what if the IRaqi’s DEMOCRATICALLY CHOOSE to ally themselves with Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas..with a government very similar to the one in Palestine…. will that be considered a victory for you Bigtwat?

Let me guess, if we just use enough force we can make the iraqis choose a pro-western government?

man you people really have no idea what the big picture is do you…

Does that mean that Rep Tauscher is akin to einstein? Her laundry list of what Americans want and don’t want from the Iraq war are completely at odds with each other and unrealistic.

There is no good or easy solution to the wwar in Iraq. If we pull out, the sectarian violence could equal the worst of Kosovo’s. Some belive that it’s possible that the entire ME would be destabilized.

On the other hand, insisting that “victory” is just around the corner is equally inaccurate, dangerous and delusional. At best, the US will merely be able to keep Iraq from becoming and even worse bloodbath than it already is. But the idea that we can just leave, and have everything be hunky-dory is unrealistic in the extreme.

They’ve “fixed” the intelligence around their stay in Iraq and “surge” in Iraq policies.

Bush and Cheney, after throwing so many of our soldier’s lives away and so much of U.S. taxpayers’ money away, have got to keep their hands in the Iraqi oil barrel.

And now Bush and Cheney have asked for $50 Billion more of U.S. taxpayer money.

What makes me believe they are getting ready to do another switcheroo like they did in 2002, when they shifted close to $1 Billion that had been allocated to go after Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda in Afghanistan to their war preparations against Iraq?

This time, though, they’ll take part of this $50 Billion and finalize their war prepartions against Iran, expanding the war to encompass another oil-rich Middle Eastern country.

Which will have a devastating effect on the U.S. economy.

Remember the lies that Bush and Cheney told in 2002 before the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. At the time, gasoline pump prices in the U.S. were below $2 a gallon and world oil barrel prices were less than $50 per barrel. Bush and Cheney claimed that Iraqi oil would pay for their little invasion, but Iraqi oil exports are still below pre-war levels. And the price of gasoline in the U.S. hovers now around $3 a gallon and world oil barrel prices are over $50 a barrel.

I predict, therefore, that if any bombs are dropped on Iran, U.S. gasoline prices will double or triple at the pump, while world oil barrel prices will shoot past $100 per barrel.

The effect on the U.S. economy (and much of the rest of the world) will be disastrous.

But what do Bush and Cheney care? Their oil executive buddies, and oil company stockholders, will make a killing when oil prices skyrocket. It will be all the rest of us that will be screwed.

Are Bush and Cheney completely insane? Are the oil executives this nuts?

Comment by RingoDingo — August 29, 2007 @ 8:08 pm

Can’t it be both? The wingnuts can be both effective and incompetent, and at the same time completely responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Here’s my little “conspiracy theory” as to how they did it:

1953 – CIA’s Operation Ajax overthrows Mohammed Mossadeq, the democratically-elected Prime Minister of Iran, after he nationalizes the Iranian oil industry previously controlled by British Petroleum. Shah of Iran installed.
1958 – CIA-trained assassins, including a young Saddam Hussein attempt to take out the Prime Minister of Iraq, Abd al-Karim Qasim, after he tries to nationalize the Iraqi oil industry.

1963 – CIA orchestrates the coup, show trial, and execution of Qasim, cementing Ba’ath party rule in the country.

1969 – Israel, with U.S. financial backing, preemptively invades Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

1971 – Richard Nixon abandons the gold standard in response to rising foreign debt.

1973 – Israel defeats Egypt and Syria in the Six-Day War. U.S. announces a $2.2 billion aid package to Israel weeks after the end of the war. OPEC nations launch embargo against U.S. Oil prices skyrocket. Saudi Arabia suddenly becomes very very wealthy and begin itching to modernize their ancient infrastructure.

1974 – The U.S. & Saudi Arabia enter into the Joint Economic Commission, aka the Saudi Arabian Money-Laundering Affair. Saudis pay U.S. companies to build and manage Saudi infrastructure, agree to use the dollar as the sole currency for oil sales, and keep oil prices low for the U.S. U.S. agrees to arm Saudi Arabia so they can protect their vast oil wealth.

1979 – Iranian students and religous leaders overthrow the Shah, create a powerful Shi’ite theocracy in Iran. Saudi Arabia, fearing the Shi’ite influence on the Middle East, invests heavily in promoting Sunni Islam, funding Wahhabi Islamic schools in and around the Kingdom.

1979-1989 – Soviet Union invades Afghanistan, CIA’s Operation Cyclone funds and arms Afghan Mujaheddin groups, who are allied with Saudi millionaire Usama bin Laden’s Maktab al-Khidamat and other Wahhabist Sunni groups. These groups later coalesce to form al-Qa’ida, and begin exporting jihadist ideals to other countries.

1980 – Iran-Iraq tensions over the Shatt-al-Arab waterway erupt into war. The U.S. begins heavily arming and funding Saddam Hussein’s Iraq against Iran. Bechtel builds chemical weapons plants used to manufacture sarin and mustard gas later used against Shia and Kurds.

1988 – Iran-Iraq war ends, 1 million dead, Iraqi infrastructure decimated. U.S. offers to rebuild Iraq in exchange for a Saudi-style oil deal. Saddam declines. CIA jackals fail to assassinate him.

1990 – Soviet Union pulls out of Afghanistan. Iraq invades Kuwait (with U.S. permission). Usama bin Laden offers his victorious Mujaheddin army to the House of Saud as protection against Iraqi invasion. The Saudis say “no thanks” and opt for U.S. protection instead. UBL is angered by this royal dissing.

1991 – U.S. airstrikes and invasion drive Iraq out of Kuwait. U.S. builds military bases in Saudi Arabia to enforce the no-fly zone. The presence of U.S. troops on the holiest site of Islam further angers UBL.

1993 – Ramzi Yousef, al-Qa’ida associate and nephew of North Carolina Aggie and future 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, bombs WTC Tower 1 with a truck bomb and escapes to Manila.

1994 – Usama bin Laden speaks out against the Saudi royal family and is exiled to Sudan.

1995 – Ramzi Yousef begins planning Bojinka plot, which includes assassination of Pope, Bill Clinton, and crashing of a jet liner into CIA headquarters.

1996 – Usama bin Laden issues fatwa against United States, demanding removal of U.S. forces from Saudi Arabia.

1998 – Usama bin Laden issues another fatwa against United States, al-Qa’ida bombs U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam.

2000 – al-Qa’ida operatives bomb USS Cole

2001 – al-Qa’ida operatives hijack jet liners and fly them into WTC and Pentagon.

See? The U.S. wingnuts are indeed responsible for 9/11!

Comment by Tracy — August 29, 2007 @ 7:15 pm

The U.S. was not responsible for executing the attacks, but they are responsible for causing them to happen.

And you believe that Lancet Study which has been highly criticized by multiple organizations including the U.N.?

Comment by Tracy — August 29, 2007 @ 7:34 pm

No, I don’t believe that. In fact, I believe the U.N. uses similar methods to count casualties after natural disasters.

No one has conclusively proven that the US was responsible, then again, no one has proved they weren’t involved – and there’s plenty to be suspicious about.

The one FACT that precludes the US being responsible, is that you wingnuts are clearly too incompetent to pull off something so effectively! Thereby ensuring that Occam’s Razor shaves off your cowardly b*lls.

Actually it’s people like you that WANT WW3 and the rapture that are crazy!!! DUMMMIIIEE!!!

Yeah, the Lancet is criticized because it’s PEER REVIEWED unlike, the unscientific bullsh*t you’re used to!!!

Yet another example of the anti-science wingnuts…

Comment by upside00 — August 29, 2007 @ 7:18 pm

That Dermot is pretty much crazy if he thinks that the Bush adminstration is looking to start and all out WW3.

Comment by toasterhead — August 29, 2007 @ 7:16 pm

And you believe that Lancet Study which has been highly criticized by multiple organizations including the U.N.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_mortality_before_and_after_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

Comment by ronjazz — August 29, 2007 @ 7:12 pm

“It’s a historical and unfortunate fact that when america pushes its way into where it isn’t welcome and doesn’t belong, everybody suffers horribly.”

Yes it’s much better with leaving dictators in power and maintaining the status quo, i.e. kicking the political can down the road. The politics of the Middle East and the fact that the terrorists can reach anyone today makes the “stay out of it mentality” totally wrong.

“Hitler is the benchmark for this horror in modern times, but the US Army is neck and neck with him vis-a-vis Native Americans.”

Whatever! You could say the same about every other people(s) that have been invaded and taken over in multiple other countries over the last 500 years.

“This medling will cause the downfall of the USA, as the whole world turns against us and freezes us out economically.”

You actually think that Europe and the coutries in Asia are going to freeze us out economically because of our actions in the Middle East? LOL!

BTW it’s a fact that millions of people were slaughtered AFTER the U.S pulled out of Vietnam.