Comments on: The Way Out Of Iraq: How To Safely And Orderly Redeploy In A Year http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:10:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Shaun Connell http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4057298 Shaun Connell Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:54:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4057298 The question is, <a href="http://www.shaunconnell.com/?p=12" rel="nofollow">is democracy worth fighting for...at all</a>? The question is, is democracy worth fighting for…at all?

]]> By: British Alien http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4047534 British Alien Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:06:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4047534 Good plan and one wishes that the current administration would agree to follow a good plan for a change. But if the US pull all its troops out of Iraq and leaves all its equipment behind won't that mean that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and you'll have to start the whole thing over again!!! Also there's a thread in this "discussion" (which appears to have degenerated into a lot of name calling and insult hurling - some of you need to read/re-read TP's Terms of Use agreement) that's been lost. Comment #27 (quoting from the movie Aliens for you boobs who thought the writer was serious - sorry for the insult, joke, joke) should have suggested an alternative to the current stalemate. Just drop 100 or so Ripley/Alien clones (from Alien Resurrection) into Iraq and let them take care of the problem. After all "President" Bush/Busch did refer to the need to prohibit cloning human-animal hybrids during his 2006 State of the Union speach so the government is obviously working on developing them. Oh no that wouldn't work either because after eliminating everybody in Iraq and the Middle East the Ripley/Alien clones would follow "us" back to the US. What was the name of the "evil" corporation that wanted to profit from "weaponizing" the alien - Haliburton, no Weyland-Yutani. Good plan and one wishes that the current administration would agree to follow a good plan for a change. But if the US pull all its troops out of Iraq and leaves all its equipment behind won’t that mean that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and you’ll have to start the whole thing over again!!!

Also there’s a thread in this “discussion” (which appears to have degenerated into a lot of name calling and insult hurling – some of you need to read/re-read TP’s Terms of Use agreement) that’s been lost.

Comment #27 (quoting from the movie Aliens for you boobs who thought the writer was serious – sorry for the insult, joke, joke) should have suggested an alternative to the current stalemate. Just drop 100 or so Ripley/Alien clones (from Alien Resurrection) into Iraq and let them take care of the problem. After all “President” Bush/Busch did refer to the need to prohibit cloning human-animal hybrids during his 2006 State of the Union speach so the government is obviously working on developing them.

Oh no that wouldn’t work either because after eliminating everybody in Iraq and the Middle East the Ripley/Alien clones would follow “us” back to the US. What was the name of the “evil” corporation that wanted to profit from “weaponizing” the alien – Haliburton, no Weyland-Yutani.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046473 BARTLEBEE Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:20:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046473 <em>You mean they published a map showing Al Kidda how to follow us home?!?!?! We’re doomed.</em> Comment by Bruno Hauptmann — August 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm Yup. And we're really in trouble once they build some boats. You mean they published a map showing Al Kidda how to follow us home?!?!?!

We’re doomed.

Comment by Bruno Hauptmann — August 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm

Yup. And we’re really in trouble once they build some boats.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046469 BARTLEBEE Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:18:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046469 <em>What would happen to Iraqis?</em> Comment by Martin Gifford — August 29, 2007 @ 7:40 pm I think the real question is what would happen to the Sunnis, and the other smaller sects. The Iraqi army has 250,000 men who have been trained by the US for the last 4 years. And they have our weapons, and not just the ones we wanted them to have. But the Iraqi army is mostly made up of Shiites. (you might say the Iraqi army is full of shiite). That means that the smaller sects are going to suffer, while the Shiites massacre them with our weapons, and the tactics we taught them. :| Great work if you can get it. What would happen to Iraqis?

Comment by Martin Gifford — August 29, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

I think the real question is what would happen to the Sunnis, and the other smaller sects. The Iraqi army has 250,000 men who have been trained by the US for the last 4 years. And they have our weapons, and not just the ones we wanted them to have. But the Iraqi army is mostly made up of Shiites. (you might say the Iraqi army is full of shiite). That means that the smaller sects are going to suffer, while the Shiites massacre them with our weapons, and the tactics we taught them.

:|

Great work if you can get it.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046461 BARTLEBEE Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:13:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046461 <em>Can I give a specific date? No. I just know the mission that was in front of us.</em> Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 6:01 pm Sorry Sarge, but that dog won't hunt. If your mission was to "pull out", then who gave the order? Where was it recorded? Because none of us civies heard nothing about any pullout in 2003. And that revelation that eluded every news channel, newspaper, imbedded journalist, stateside journalist and press release for the last 4 years. Can I give a specific date? No. I just know the mission that was in front of us.

Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 6:01 pm

Sorry Sarge, but that dog won’t hunt.

If your mission was to “pull out”, then who gave the order? Where was it recorded? Because none of us civies heard nothing about any pullout in 2003. And that revelation that eluded every news channel, newspaper, imbedded journalist, stateside journalist and press release for the last 4 years.

]]> By: Martin Gifford http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046425 Martin Gifford Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:40:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046425 "Opponents of a sensible Iraq withdrawal strategy have tried to argue that a redeployment is unfeasible either because it will be occur too quickly or because it will take too long." Anyone who has studied management 101 would be able to organise a safe witdrawal of the troops in 3 months. <strong>Any talk along the lines "we can't do it" is a confession of unintelligence.</strong> But I'm not sure they should be withdrawn. What would happen to Iraqis? “Opponents of a sensible Iraq withdrawal strategy have tried to argue that a redeployment is unfeasible either because it will be occur too quickly or because it will take too long.”

Anyone who has studied management 101 would be able to organise a safe witdrawal of the troops in 3 months.

Any talk along the lines “we can’t do it” is a confession of unintelligence.

But I’m not sure they should be withdrawn. What would happen to Iraqis?

]]> By: Bruno Hauptmann http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046347 Bruno Hauptmann Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:45:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046347 Oh NO!!! You mean they published a map showing Al Kidda how to follow us home?!?!?! We're doomed. Oh NO!!!

You mean they published a map showing Al Kidda how to follow us home?!?!?!

We’re doomed.

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046253 hacker bob Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:01:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046253 Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 5:40 pm Can I give a specific date? No. I just know the mission that was in front of us. Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 5:40 pm

Can I give a specific date? No. I just know the mission that was in front of us.

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046251 hacker bob Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:59:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046251 <em>Comment by katy — August 29, 2007 @ 4:21 pm</em> I did not mean to dismiss your question. My apologies. I think that Mo. summers are as bad as NC. My wife thinks that the sun seems more intense here, but NC has worse humidity and mosquitos. Comment by katy — August 29, 2007 @ 4:21 pm

I did not mean to dismiss your question. My apologies.

I think that Mo. summers are as bad as NC. My wife thinks that the sun seems more intense here, but NC has worse humidity and mosquitos.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046232 BARTLEBEE Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:52:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046232 Judging from the board, I'd say almost everyone except for the far right wingnuts, are for pulling the troops out, and bringing them home in as safe and sensible a manner as possible. I think everyones pretty much on that page. Judging from the board, I’d say almost everyone except for the far right wingnuts, are for pulling the troops out, and bringing them home in as safe and sensible a manner as possible.

I think everyones pretty much on that page.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046203 BARTLEBEE Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:43:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046203 <em> and there’s BARTLEBEE and hackerbob in a pissing match! … am i ever glad they got that figured out! yes, bartlebee, i can also vouch for hackerbob… </em> Comment by katy — August 29, 2007 @ 4:15 pm After the last few months of "disguis-o-trolls" I made the mistake of assuming this guy was one of the legion. We emailed each other however and I have since recanted. and there’s BARTLEBEE and hackerbob in a pissing match! … am i ever glad they got that figured out!
yes, bartlebee, i can also vouch for hackerbob…

Comment by katy — August 29, 2007 @ 4:15 pm

After the last few months of “disguis-o-trolls” I made the mistake of assuming this guy was one of the legion. We emailed each other however and I have since recanted.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046195 BARTLEBEE Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:40:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046195 <em>I spent June-October 2003 at Camp Fox, Kuwait as part of a Special Purpose Marine Air Ground Task Force (SPMAGTF) who’s purpose was to move all of the Marine Corps Assets out of Iraq and the Theater of Operations. Army units were doing the same. Our only interest was supposed to be helping the Iraqis with reconstruction. </em> Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 3:46 pm Thats great, but I didn't ask you any of that. I asked for the date that the pullout order was given. I am not surprised by your answer however, since everyone knows no pullout order was ever given, and per the White House, never intended. I asked you when I spent June-October 2003 at Camp Fox, Kuwait as part of a Special Purpose Marine Air Ground Task Force (SPMAGTF) who’s purpose was to move all of the Marine Corps Assets out of Iraq and the Theater of Operations. Army units were doing the same. Our only interest was supposed to be helping the Iraqis with reconstruction.

Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

Thats great, but I didn’t ask you any of that.

I asked for the date that the pullout order was given.

I am not surprised by your answer however, since everyone knows no pullout order was ever given, and per the White House, never intended.
I asked you when

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046154 Badger Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:28:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046154 OK mostly landlocked.. Who drew the borders anyhow??? looks like something the british would come up with. OK mostly landlocked.. Who drew the borders anyhow??? looks like something the british would come up with.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046146 toasterhead Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:25:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046146 <i>What we can do….is knock down the notion of a “Precipitous withdrawal” . The is republican political straw man rhetoric, and they need to be called on it. Especially the GOP presidential candidates. Comment by Badger — August 29, 2007 @ 5:23 pm</i> Agreed. Though Iraq is not actually landlocked. They have a teeny bit of coastlne at the mouth of the Euphrates. What we can do….is knock down the notion of a “Precipitous withdrawal” . The is republican political straw man rhetoric, and they need to be called on it. Especially the GOP presidential candidates.

Comment by Badger — August 29, 2007 @ 5:23 pm

Agreed. Though Iraq is not actually landlocked. They have a teeny bit of coastlne at the mouth of the Euphrates.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4046138 Badger Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:23:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4046138 Iraq is landlocked, hostile, and full of germs. Any planning to extricate ourselves will be a "best guess estimate". We are fools not to be seriously making plans for our exit, despite Bush's rhetoric. What we can do....is knock down the notion of a "Precipitous withdrawal" . The is republican political straw man rhetoric, and they need to be called on it. Especially the GOP presidential candidates. Iraq is landlocked, hostile, and full of germs. Any planning to extricate ourselves will be a “best guess estimate”. We are fools not to be seriously making plans for our exit, despite Bush’s rhetoric.
What we can do….is knock down the notion of a “Precipitous withdrawal” . The is republican political straw man rhetoric, and they need to be called on it. Especially the GOP presidential candidates.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4045913 katy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:21:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4045913 and, bob, i asked weeks ago, but didn't see a reply... now that it's out there (where you are located) - HOW DO YOU LIKE OUR SUMMERS HERE IN THE CENTRAL STATES??? EH??? HOT AND HUMID ENOUGH FOR YA? or could it BE worse than lejeune/carolina? i just quit doing augusts... not worth the effort... ugh... and, bob, i asked weeks ago, but didn’t see a reply…
now that it’s out there (where you are located) -
HOW DO YOU LIKE OUR SUMMERS HERE IN THE CENTRAL STATES???
EH??? HOT AND HUMID ENOUGH FOR YA?
or could it BE worse than lejeune/carolina?
i just quit doing augusts… not worth the effort…
ugh…

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4045892 katy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:15:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4045892 oh my... i took a break around the #100 post... jumped in to post #187... then back to pick up where i left off ... and there's BARTLEBEE and hackerbob in a pissing match! ... am i ever glad they got that figured out! yes, bartlebee, i can also vouch for hackerbob... whew! oh my… i took a break around the #100 post… jumped in to post #187…
then back to pick up where i left off … and there’s BARTLEBEE and hackerbob in a pissing match! … am i ever glad they got that figured out!
yes, bartlebee, i can also vouch for hackerbob…

whew!

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4045862 toasterhead Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:07:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4045862 As for support to Marines in the Kurdish region, what about Incirlik AB? I know Turkey didn't want us using it for the initial invasion, but do you think they would allow us to use it to support Marines functioning essentially as peacekeepers in northern Iraq? Yes, it puts us in the awkward position of taking both sides in a regional conflict, but that's nothing new... As for support to Marines in the Kurdish region, what about Incirlik AB? I know Turkey didn’t want us using it for the initial invasion, but do you think they would allow us to use it to support Marines functioning essentially as peacekeepers in northern Iraq? Yes, it puts us in the awkward position of taking both sides in a regional conflict, but that’s nothing new…

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4045836 toasterhead Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:01:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4045836 <i>Bahrain is 620 miles to Baghdad. A distance that can be covered in a few hours if we need to return to add support to the Iraqi army. Bahrain is a good location for redeployment, especially if the Kurds don’t want us in Kuwait. Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm</i> Bahrain's a good place to unload some equipment that's choking up the ports in Kuwait, but you still have to get the gear there. And any equipment and vehicles would have to be cleaned before they leave port in either Iraq or Kuwait. I doubt the Bahrainis want any Iraqi foot-and-mouth disease entering their country. <i>Nice post. I give you extra point or naming the MSR. Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 3:46 pm</i> Thanks! (It was in the CAP report...) Bahrain is 620 miles to Baghdad. A distance that can be covered in a few hours if we need to return to add support to the Iraqi army. Bahrain is a good location for redeployment, especially if the Kurds don’t want us in Kuwait.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm

Bahrain’s a good place to unload some equipment that’s choking up the ports in Kuwait, but you still have to get the gear there. And any equipment and vehicles would have to be cleaned before they leave port in either Iraq or Kuwait. I doubt the Bahrainis want any Iraqi foot-and-mouth disease entering their country.

Nice post. I give you extra point or naming the MSR.

Comment by hacker bob — August 29, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

Thanks! (It was in the CAP report…)

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/comment-page-5/#comment-4045783 hacker bob Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:50:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/29/way-out-of-iraq/#comment-4045783 <em>Bahrain is 620 miles to Baghdad. A distance that can be covered in a few hours if we need to return to add support to the Iraqi army. Bahrain is a good location for redeployment, especially if the Kurds don’t want us in Kuwait. Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm</em> Ok, I thought you meant re-deployment as in an area to stage for deployment back to CONUS. I did not know you meant to redeploy TO Bahrain, like a "fall back" position. Bahrain is 620 miles to Baghdad. A distance that can be covered in a few hours if we need to return to add support to the Iraqi army. Bahrain is a good location for redeployment, especially if the Kurds don’t want us in Kuwait.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm

Ok, I thought you meant re-deployment as in an area to stage for deployment back to CONUS. I did not know you meant to redeploy TO Bahrain, like a “fall back” position.

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