Conservative ‘Homophobic Hypocrisy’ In Craig Scandal
Conservative ‘Homophobic Hypocrisy’ In Craig Scandal
Earlier this month, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) pleaded guilty to “misdemeanor disorderly conduct” for “lewd” sexual conduct in a men’s public restroom. In July, Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) also admitted to the “sin” of a sexual crime — frequenting an escort service run by the DC Madam.
To date, five Republican lawmakers have called on Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) to resign:
Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN): “Senator Craig pled guilty to a crime involving conduct unbecoming a senator. He should resign.”
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): “I believe that he — that he pled guilty and he had the opportunity to plead innocent. So I think he should resign.”
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI): “However, he also represents the Republican Party, and I believe that he should step down as his conduct throughout this matter has been inappropriate for a U.S. senator.”
Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN): “While additional concerns are being raised, Senator Craig already demonstrated that he is unfit to serve in the U.S. Congress when he pled guilty. I believe that he needs to step down.”
Reps. Jeff Miller (R-FL), Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL), Bobby Jindal (R-LA), and Ron Lewis (R-KY): [A handful of Republicans] urged Craig to step down…including Jeff Miller and Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida, Mark Souder of Indiana, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Ron Lewis of Kentucky.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has also stripped Craig of his committee leadership positions and called for a Senate ethics investigation into the affair.
In contrast, none of these nine lawmakers reprimanded Vitter after he admitted to soliciting a prostitute. He even received “‘thunderous applause‘ from Senate GOP colleagues during a policy lunch held a few days after his admission.” Matt Foreman of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force explains the hypocrisy:
Let’s see - one Republican senator is involved in soliciting sex from a man and the Republican leadership calls for a Senate investigation and yanks the rug from underneath him. Another Republican senator admits to soliciting the services of a female prostitute and there’s not only no investigation but the senator is greeted with a standing ovation by his Republican peers. What explains the starkly different responses? I’d say rank and homophobic hypocrisy.
The nonpartisan watchdog group CREW has called on Vitter to resign his committee seat. Glenn Greenwald has more on the right-wing blogosphere’s hypocrisy.
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iirc, hannity, of all people, wanted vitter to resign.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amNot so much homophobic hypoicrisy as the fact that Vitter would be replaced by a Democrat.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amBut isn’t Craig convicted of a crime? The difference is there right…
(I know soliciting a prostitute is a crime but hes not convicted)
August 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amAs was pointed out yesterday, beyond the homophobia is the fact that Vitter comes from a state with a Dem governor, while Craig comes from a state with a Repug gov.
Double standards for many, many reasons…
PEACE
August 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amMorality ends when there is a contested seat in jeopardy.
Sen. Sununu could be the Anthrax Killer and he’d get a pass.
-GSD
August 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amVitter did not plead guilty to a crime, Craig did.
Vitter committed adultry, Craig was trolling for sex in a public restroom.
These are not small differences.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amIt probably has something to do with the fact that Craig is from Idaho and it has a Republican governor who would most likely appoint a Republican replacement.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:22 amVitter is from Louisiana. It has a Democratic governor.
#2 and #4, so they put politics before their “values”. Or did they put their homophobia before their “values”? In either case, it says a lot about the party.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:23 am“Vitter did not plead guilty to a crime, Craig did.”
Vitter, like Craig, admitted to committing a crime.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:23 amcome on! you don’t REALLY expect repugs to be principled! that totally goes against their nature.
hypocrisy (along with lying) is an inherent part of being a repug.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:24 amThere is something especially degenerate about anonymous sex in a public toilet stall, don’t you think?…..especially at an airport where children may be present.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amI think the Repubs have been pretty consistent on shutting down those who are found guilty (or admit guilt) of crimes. Many times even before being found guilty (Delay).
August 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amVitter committed adultry, Craig was trolling for sex in a public restroom.
These are not small differences.
Comment by Ringo — August 30, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Dip sh! always tries to down play the criimes the repubs commit. Here, let me fix it for him.
Vitter committed adultry with a prostitute, Craig was trolling for gay sex in a public restroom.
These are small differences.
Comment by Ringo — August 30, 2007 @ 11:21 am
August 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amVitter paid for sex. That is a criminal act.
But he’s in a state with a Democratic Governor, so the morality of that sin sits back seat to the morality of having a Democratic Governor replace Vitter’s seat.
-GSD
August 30th, 2007 at 11:29 amLetter faxed to Senator Craig
Dave Palmer
The Watchdog
Folsom, California
E-mail: Noethics1@aol.com
URL: http://www.noethics.net
August 30, 2007
United States Senator Larry Craig
Re: Minneapolis Airport restroom escapade
Dear Senator Craig:
I have religiously followed the reports regarding your recent arrest at the Minneapolis Airport and subsequent guilty plea. With all due respect, I found your explanations to be quite novel to say the least.
I am of the firm conviction that the sexual preferences of my fellow citizens are a personal matter. Put simply, if you agree to not look into my bedroom window, I’ll agree to reciprocate. My opinion on this matter was confirmed in an article I wrote last year in regards to Dr. James Dobson (Focus on the Family) titled “Dr. James Dobson and Gay Bashing 101.â€
I personally find those who engage in hyperbolic hypocrisy to be particularly offensive individuals. It’s too bad that everyone doesn’t heed the wise words of my now deceased father whose mantra was “Mind your own business.†If everyone did, especially as it relates to matters of personal choice, I think we’d all be better off, right?
Using the Idaho Statesman as a whipping boy for your problems seems to be rather disingenuous at best. If you feel compelled to make repeated visits to the men’s room at airports throughout the county while tap dancing, etc., that’s fine with me.
I believe the experience would be even more enjoyable if we could persuade the Federal Aviation Administration to agree to pipe in some appropriate music at the men’s restrooms throughout the nation. If we could, then I would suggest they pipe in that ol’ ditty from yesteryear “The Hokey Pokey,†which goes something like this:
You put your left foot in (adjoining stall)
You put your left foot out
You put your left foot in
And you shake it all about
You do the Hokey-Pokey
And turn yourself around
That’s what it’s all about!
You put your left hand in (adjoining stall)
You put your left hand out
You put your left hand in
And you shake it all about
You do the Hokey-Pokey
And you turn yourself around
That’s what it’s all about!
You put your whole head in (adjoining stall)
You put your head out
You put your head in
And you shake it all about
You do the Hokey-Pokey
And you turn yourself around
That’s what it’s all about!
You put your whole self in (adjoining stall)
You put your whole self out
You put your whole self in
And you shake it all about
You do the Hokey-Pokey
And you turn yourself around
That’s what it’s all about!
Thanks for your time and attention to this matter.
_____________________
August 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amDavid Palmer (aka, The Watchdawg)
If Vitter was having straight sex with a prostitute in a public restroom then he should go too.
Another difference is that Vitter admitted that what he did was wrong, has shown remorse and asked his wife for forgivness.
Craig has done none of these things, in fact, he denies his guilt even after pleading guilty in court.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amThere is something especially degenerate about anonymous sex in a public toilet stall, don’t you think?…..especially at an airport where children may be present.
Comment by Ringo — August 30, 2007 @ 11:25 am
There is something pretty degenerate about both, Though sex in public places is pretty bad.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amIt’s really quite simple — one is a perv, the other is not. It’s not about being gay or straight, it’s about perverted behavior in public.
Is that too nuanced for you guys to understand?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:31 amGood. He resigned from Senate Committees. Next? Force him from the Senate!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 08/ u-s-senator-larry-craig-delays.html#links
August 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amRingo-
August 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amWhy the DC police haven’t charged him with an actual crime in no way diminishes the fact that he did COMMIT A CRIME and ADMITTED it. Either the Repubs are homophobes or it’s simply to keep Vitters Republican seat. Either way it’s typical Rightie hypocracy. Do you feel that Vitter hasn’t commited a crime or that his actions were not unbecoming of an elected official? Remember that consensual sex (Clinton) is LEGAL and prostitution and public bathroom sex are not.
Comment by martha — August 30, 2007 @ 11:20 am
That sums this one up. TP, lets have another more meaty one.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amRingo sez:
And there you have it. Craig admitted his guilt, which is a big GOP no-no.
The other Repukes aren’t concerned with Craig’s crime…they’re concerned with his admission to it.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amthings are worse for the gop than i thought. tom delay was on “the today show” defending the republican party! tom delay, that’s scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:36 amLook the Republicans id DC have all gone nuts and they are out-of-control sexually. Their hypocrisy is plain vulgar!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:36 amFor a party who trumpets “family values” as their hallmark, albeit a hypocritical one, the resignation and/or relieving of duties of both Vitter and Craig SHOULD BE a foregone conclusion.
For one who has admitted to criminal behavior, their resignation should be immediate.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amin not id in post 24 > typo.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amThere is no law against “perverted behavior” in public, per se.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:37 amt’s really quite simple — one is a perv, the other is not. It’s not about being gay or straight, it’s about perverted behavior in public.
Is that too nuanced for you guys to understand?
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 11:31 am
both are republicans and conservative. you missed that. maybe it was too nuanced for you to comprehend.
eh?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:38 amJay Randal: The “temptation” was far too seductive and great for these men who truly believed themselves to be “above the law” since they “could” - at least while their group (GOP) of crooks, liars, and frauds were running the show.
They’ll all get to “pay the price” now for their sins as they are marched off in a jumpsuit. Don’t you love “real justice”?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:39 amComment by joe cantwell — August 30, 2007 @ 11:36 am
Any relations to Cantwell of Washington? I like her edgy look.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:39 amLet’s examine the rationalization of “Craig is bad - Vitter is OK” position by apologists on the GOP side.
1) Craig’s misdemeanor involved gay sex; Vitter’s involved heterosexual sex (we won’t get into diaper perversions here). Hetero sex is OK, gay sex is not.
2) Craig broke the law in public; Vitter did it behind the privacy of closed doors. The issue here is general sordidness.
3) Craig got arrested; Vitter didn’t. It’s a matter of whether you get caught or not.
I suspect all these troll talking points are mere window dressing for the REAL reason — Craig can safely be replaced with another Republican; Vitter could likely be replaced with a Democrat.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:40 amCynion: For the record, they’re both “criminals” under the law. Prostitution and solicitation thereof is still a crime in this country. A good place for you to begin your quest for education would be US Law: 101, dude.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:40 amWhat Vitter did is not “okay” by any stretch of the law or one’s twisted imagination. Besides, since he is a married man, it becomes double hypocritical and criminal.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by david palmer — August 30, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Wild essay. How long did it take you to compose it?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amCynicon Implant-
August 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amNo they both broke the law. The level of perversion is a tittilating discussion topic, but what it comes down to is they BOTH BROKE THE LAW AND ADMITTED IT! Vitter wouldn’t have mentioned his daliences had he not been uncovered. Craig did the same. Both acts were illegal. Both men admit their guilt. I guess illegaly paying prostitutes to change your diapers is isn’t considered perverted enough for the Repubs to denounce him. Why don’t you admit it’s only because they would lose a seat to a Dem?
I intend to visit our friends in N.C. next year. When my small sons need to use a public bathroom in the then I tell them to shout
“Is there a Republican Senator in here?”
first. And rather use the ladies room instead if there is a “yes” for an answer.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amCynion: The “public” angle has zippo to do with the law for openers. Solicitation of a prostitute is a criminal action and it’s done behind closed doors. Still patently illegal.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amIf a legislator cannot restrain themselves from engaging in activities that open the door to extortion/bribery/blackmail, than they cannot serve. Vitter/Craig and anyone else w/ secret waiting to be exposed should be sent packing. This should not be something that is difficult to understand!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:43 amIf the Repubs weren’t so repressed about gays, they wouldn’t have to resort to bathrooms. They could use elevators like heteros. Love in an elevator!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:44 amDo you feel that Vitter hasn’t commited a crime or that his actions were not unbecoming of an elected official? Remember that consensual sex (Clinton) is LEGAL and prostitution and public bathroom sex are not.
Comment by A Patriot Acting
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Vitter’s actions were unbecoming and probably illegal, but they simply were not as degenerate as Craig’s toilet romps.
That’s all I’m saying.
If Vitter’s constituants want him gone, then fine with me. But we know Craig’s constituants want him gone.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:44 amwhat I found compelling in Craig’s “I’m not gay” diatribe is the fact that this twisted individual actually believes that being gay has anything to do with being a criminal. Then the hypocrisy to propose anti-gay legislation when he engages in gay sex is really beyond any sane comprehension. Does he hate himself so much that he finds it imperative to “put on a facade” for his other pervert congressmen? Does he believe his own hypocrisy? At the very least, this guy needs a good psychiatric examination, some pharmacological assistance for his delusions, and an exit, stage right, from Congress and into the nearest prison.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:44 amDoes anyone have the background on Craig’s 1982 problems in Congress having to do with his involvement in the “Sex/Drugs Congressional Page Scandal” by any chance? If so, please share it.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:45 amCraig-the lastest in a verrrrrry long string of the moral values of the GOP- the party of “moral values”. SNARK!!!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:46 amAgree with everyone above who say this hypocrisy is political. Solid GOP seat in Idaho makes it easy to sacrifice Craig and appear to be on the side of morality. Louisiana, not so clear cut, so they couldn’t risk it. Besides, Vitter is just doing what boys do, hence the applause on his return. Of course, no one questions the hypocrisy of arresting the DC Madam, but letting her confessed client go free. Hello?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:46 am#35: Hilarious!! I may adopt the same habit.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:47 amThen again…..some might say that the he should be allowed to remain so that the negative publicity and “participants” (aka the one who was interviewed by the IdahoStatesman who told the details of an encounter with Craig in a bathroom in Union Station)??
The longer Craig remains standing, the more serious the damage he is doing to a GOP which is on it’s last legs anyway….or as Rummy would orate: “in it’s last throes”! Gotta love it.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:47 amNo doubt some of Craig’s sex partners are singing right now! They’ll all have great book deals and become instant millionaires! Sing out!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:48 amNo doubt Hastert is scurrying away due to some baggage he’s got erupting from his closet……as does Boehner. The Foley affair is far from forgotten and Hastert et al will find themselves in Craig’s shoes sooner than later.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:49 amAny relations to Cantwell of Washington? I like her edgy look.
Comment by James Saville Row — August 30, 2007 @ 11:39 am
“the best man” by gore vidal
August 30th, 2007 at 11:49 amDoro: I think any man should begin shouting it in the public restrooms. Republican has definitely become synonymous with “PERVERT”.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:49 amLouisiana’s governor is a Democrat, n’est-ce pas? Idaho’s is Republican. Would that maybe account for part of the difference in outrages?
August 30th, 2007 at 11:50 amThese are not small differences.
Comment by Ringo — August 30, 2007 @ 11:21 am
huh… Wrongo smmes to know all about the minutiae of different sex crimes… jes pointin’ it out! ;-D!!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:50 amI dont see any Hypocrisy. Soliciting a prostitute is no where near as screwed up as being a homo. You libs might love the gays but im all for kicking them out of the Republican party. Hopefully any hidin queers will take the hint and get out. There not welcome in the party. Things like this make me proud to be a Republican. Its nice to see the republicans back up there rhetoric and show us (there base) that the whole anti-gay thing isn’t just some talking point.
Kudos to the Leadership in the senate.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:52 amSnidely Whiplash, Veritas,
it might start a fashion…I’d love to give it a try. But, alas, I’m sitting in Europe and here the joke would be lost on about everybody.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amTrue Colors! The only possible answer. The goopers are so afraid of frightening their base that it is tragic. What they don’t understand is that the rest of the world is laughing hysterically at us!
August 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amThe “temptation†was far too seductive and great for this President Clinton who truly believed himmself to be “above the law†since he “could†- at least while his group (DEMS) of crooks, liars, and frauds were running the show.
They’ll all get to “pay the price†now for their sins as they are marched off in a jumpsuit. Don’t you love “real justice�
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Yes I do love justice.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:54 amespecially at an airport where children may be present.
Comment by Ringo — August 30, 2007 @ 11:25 am
You speak as thought you have **snicker** “first-hand” experience in these things.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:54 amLOL Republicans defend Vitter a guy who hires prostitutes, wears diapers as his sex fetish, and wants to be spanked for being a bad baby.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:55 amYou don’t get it, do you GitmoIdiot? They aren’t getting rid of him because of his gay activities. They are sacrificing him for votes because he’s in a safe GOP seat.
Certainly, going to a prostitute isn’t a bad thing - unless you are a married, family values lawmaker. That’s called hypocrisy, too. Unless you are now promoting infidelity as a good old GOP value.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:56 amComment by doro — August 30, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Cool! Lets make small flash videos and circulate them right before the ‘08 vote. That’ll teach the GOPrs for stealing our personal liberties away like thieves in the night.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amI don’t defend either one. But I wonder why peering-through-cracks-in-bathroom-stall-doors Craig didn’t defend himself on the grounds that he was acting under the Patriot Act in a warrantless surveillance ?
Both give about the same amount of privacy to American Citizens.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amVitter approval 66%.
The Dems are hypocrites because they didn’t call on Clinton to resign.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amtroqua
Im sure you were just as outraged when Clinton got a BJ. O wait he wasnt married was he? He didnt have kids did he? You dems rallied around him just like we rallied around Vitter.
And no our party doesn’t like the gays. Kick em out it’ll make our party better.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:59 amprostituition is illegal. Craig pled guilty to a misdemeanor. One congressman will lose his job because of the uproar. The other solicited a prostitute but will stay in congress.
No hypocrisy?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pmVitter and his wife should solve their marital woes on their own time. Craig should avoid the door hitting his backside on the way OUT. Unlike Dems, most “values voters” in the Republican Party won’t give these pervs their jobs back. (**Note to “conservative” perv lawmakers***We believe in forgiveness…..but that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to your job. Go reflect on a mountaintop and decide on another occupational course.)
Therein lies the intrinsic difference between progs and conservatives - you celebrate the “lowest coommon denominator” - - we don’t.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pmHEYOOOooooOoooOooOoooOoo TP
Where is this news story?
Clinton Donor Under a Cloud in Fraud Case
August 30th, 2007 at 12:01 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 08/ 30/ us/ politics/ 30bundler.html?ex=1189051200&en=00ee337c9e083c5f&ei=5099&partner=TOPIXNEWS
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Must suppress, censor news about Clinton
TP deleted my post on Republicans being perverts, but keeps the troll posts on here. Lighten up TP staff and smell the reality of life.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmGitmoRules sez:
Coming from someone who calls themselves “GitmoRules”, I’m not all that surprised.
This is America. You’re entitled to your opinion, however hateful and wrong it may be.
But I noticed you didn’t say that soliciting a prostitute is OK…you just said that it is “less screwed up”. Given the fact that you admit it’s still wrong, why the double standard?
I’m all for this as well. If all the closeted gays in the Republican party deserted the party, there would be no Republican party left.
Yes, I’m sure it does…just like burning crosses and blowing up abortion clinics. You must be so proud…
You’ve missed the point entirely. Republicans aren’t anti-gay…they’re anti-getting-caught-at-being-gay.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pmVitter also committed a Federal crime by taking phone calls from the DC Madam, to arrange for his prostitute appointments, while he was in his congressional offices.
As for Craig, I though an experienced politician should know how to not step on someone else’s toes!.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmCraig tapped his foot.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pmVitter wore a diaper.
That must be it.
Maybe we need a tie-breaker.
How about Pete Domenici? If he gets caught cruising New Mexico’s finest restrooms, do the GOP ask him to resign?
Btw, I don’t think this is an either-or situation. I think there’s some electoral calculus in throwing Craig and not Vitter under the bus, but Craig is also getting smashed because gay scandal is such a no-no in the 21st century GOP.
Craig earned his comeuppance through his hypocrisy, but he’s sure found out how loyal his GOP friends are.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmYou’ve missed the point entirely. Republicans aren’t anti-gay…they’re anti-getting-caught-at-being-gay.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
LOL
August 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmRepublican Party the “Its ok if you dont get caught being gay” Party.
Yep, that fits.
m sure you were just as outraged when Clinton got a BJ. O wait he wasnt married was he? He didnt have kids did he? You dems rallied around him just like we rallied around Vitter.
And no our party doesn’t like the gays. Kick em out it’ll make our party better.
Comment by GitmoRules — August 30, 2007
Let’s get something straight (so to speak). I do not think Craig should be kicked out of the Senate. I do not think Vitter should be kicked out of the Senate. I’m addressing GOP hypocrisy in their different way of handling the two issues. The only people who want to banish Craig are Republicans, who are trying to appease their homo-hating base.
Clinton’s personal life was between him and Hillary. I wasn’t outraged by his behavior, I was outraged that the GOP Congress chose to make it an impeachable issue. Along with most Americans.
I am not outraged by Craig or Vitter either. I am outraged by the rank hypocrisy of the GOP - again.
The only people who don’t seem to have a meaningful moral compass are the GOP - Clinton bad, Vitter good. Craig bad, Vitter good.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:08 pmGOP= Grandstanding Obtuse Perverts
August 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pmThere not welcome in the party. Things like this make me proud to be a Republican.
Comment by GitmoRules — August 30, 2007 @ 11:52 am
They’re you go, Gitmo! Your obviously an articulate, informed, educated patriot. Their aren’t many better ways to say it, and any lib who has a problem with it needs there but kicked way the heck over they’re to Gitmo, Gitmo! Their, I’ve said it!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmOur resident troll is talking to himself again. It’s easy to spot him. Look at his misuse of the words they’re, there, their in all his posts.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmYou’ve missed the point entirely. Republicans aren’t anti-gay…they’re anti-getting-caught-at-being-gay.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 30, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
When Colbert interviewed Andrew Sullivan, he said Sullivan couldn’t be a traditional conservative because he wasn’t a closet gay. As ever, Colbert was way ahead of the game.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmToo many progs “approve” of aberrant behaviour and LOVE pols who defend such behaviours. A large group of conservative citizens do not share the progressive “morality” (a true oxymoron) and a despicable group of perverts pander to conservatives to “get their votes”. Their talk may be “conservative”….but their actions are far more “progressive”.
Lets’s quickly compare - consevatives are furious about Craig, Foley et. al…..Progs re-elect Gerry Studds (nice name!), Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and applaud Jim McGreevey. Nice……
Tooodles……….
August 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmoh cute, toodles is back, too.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pmComment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Whew! Thanks. I almost fell into that one.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pmGitmo, are you still they’re? Their’s no response from you in a while now….
August 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmComment by James Saville Row — August 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Great idea. You’ll have to be imaginative in getting the truth out in the next elections, I’m afraid the Democratic party will not be handling it well enough. They have this strange caving-in tendency.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pmahhhhh, paps! Brilliant. Apologies!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:23 pmMaybe if homos acted like normal people they’d be treated like normal people.
Picking up strange men in bathrooms or highway rests stops is not normal. Parading down a street in drag wearing make-up is not normal.
I don’t care if they do it, but stop trying to make me believe it is normal. It’s not.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#
oh cute, toodles is back, too.
Comment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
And a fine example of the feces throwing monkey she makes.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmAmanda - how about liberal hypocrisy on sex scandals???
Did you think Gerry Sudds should have resigned after admitting to an affair with a male page?
Did you think Ted Kennedy should have resigned after he murdered Mary Jo?
Do you think Bill Clinton should have resigned after multiple charged him with sex crimes - one even including rape?
Do you think Bill Clinton should have resigned for lying under oath?
Do you think Barney Frank should have resigned for running a male whore ring ??
The fact of the matter is, Craig should resign. Conservatives understand that. Democrats have never stepped down when they get caught with their pants down because their IMMORAL base tolerates that kind of behavior.
Amanda = PIG liar
August 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmahhhhh, paps! Brilliant. Apologies!
Comment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
No problem. Strange–their’s something very perplexing about an intelligent troll who just walks away when there being complimented.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPoor MA her Repub party is filled with perverted creeps.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmThere is another similarity between Craig and Vitter besides the fact that they both admitted to criminal acts. Craig mailed in his admission to a court official, while Vitter made his admission after being confronted with irrefutable evidence. So the second point in common is that both had hoped that their crimes would go unreported, and only faced the public after their acts became known. As far as I am concerned, both Craig and Vitter have brought the same amount of disrepute on the Senate.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:29 pmahhhhh, paps! Brilliant. Apologies!
Comment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
No problem. Strange–their’s something very perplexing about an intelligent troll who just walks away when there being complimented.
Comment by paps meer
theiy’re you go, making fun of us stoopid consurvitivs agen
August 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pmI do NOT see Vitter resigning for wearing diapers, and pooping in them, so you GOPer trolls need to cut the crap on here about cleaning up your party.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pmoooh, the trolls are really squealing like stuck pigs!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhat I find interesting here is the approval for Vitter by our troll du jour, yet the utter disdain for Craig.
Why?
Is it because you fear what secretly you most desire?
Let’s get some facts straight:
Soliciting services from a prostitute is illegal.
Mutual masturbation in a public place is illegal.
The ultimate hypocrisy here is that both Senators played the “holier than thou” crap during President Clinton’s liasons, yet by comparison, their “adventures” are not only worse, they. are. illegal!
My personal opinion, they both should resign, not because of their sexual deviations or adulteries, but because of their blatant hypocrisy to the voters.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmBill Clinton reportedly told John Kerry to throw gays under the bus during 2004 election. What is he telling Hillary, and is she listening?
Dems throw gays under the bus too :)
August 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pmBill Clinton reportedly told John Kerry to throw gays under the bus during 2004 election. What is he telling Hillary, and is she listening?
Dems throw gays under the bus too :)
Comment by BobtheUnBuilder — August 30, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
…and President Bush reportedly blows every single male cabinet member to keep them towing the party line!
See, I can play the “utterly factless paragraph” game also
August 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pmBob > I do NOT march to Clinton family drums. Bill lost his moral standing when he allowed Monica to give him BJs in the Oval Office. He did not deserve to be almost impeached for lying about the affair.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pmtheiy’re you go, making fun of us stoopid consurvitivs agen
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Thank you for your cynicism—it is appreciated. I just want to illuminate the intelligence of some of the righteous. I mean, people who are afraid of gays are smart! Right? And sometimes fear of self is even smarter!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOh yeah, Democrats are immoral but your party is full of hypocrites, perverts and war criminals.
I used to be a Republican but it’s people like you that caused me to flee before my head exploded.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:42 pmA Democrat paid 1500 dollars for a hooker and tried to write it off as a Bill Clinton campaign
Clinton was the first president to sell pardons for donations.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“Poor MA her Repub party is filled with perverted creeps.”
Comment by Jay Randal
Jay Prog calling homosexuals and sexual libertines “perverted creeps”??
How intolerant!!
The problem with progs?…You keep re-electing your pervs…..we don’t.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pmIm sure you were just as outraged when Clinton got a BJ. O wait he wasnt married was he? He didnt have kids did he? You dems rallied around him just like we rallied around Vitter.
And no our party doesn’t like the gays. Kick em out it’ll make our party better.
Comment by GitmoRules — August 30, 2007 @ 11:59 am
August 30th, 2007 at 12:45 pm——————
hmmm, consensual vs solicitation, bad judgment vs crime, not completely comparable are they in the legal law-breaking sense are they? but it was nice to see Clinton brought up again, lol. It’ll 2050 and you repubs will still be bringing him up!
“My personal opinion, they both should resign, not because of their sexual deviations or adulteries, but because of their blatant hypocrisy to the voters.” Comment by DRxJ
An excellent about the point that progs celebrate pervs…….the hypocrisy you are apalled by is a lying panderer trying to keep a job - PERIOD.
Another oxymoron….”progressive moral compass“…..
August 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pmConservatives can never comprehend that since their candidate runs on the campaign platform:
“Vote for me because I don’t have the wrong kind of sex and my hedonist opponent does”,
then it is hypocrisy when Vitter and Craig get caught and not when Barney Frank or Bill Clinton get caught.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAdultery is now OK. After all, look at Giuliani. We are just adjusting the message for the next election cycle. Do not attempt to adjust your TV. We are in control.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmHAHAHA. I get a kick out of McCain’s dumbass reply.
You think he should resign solely because he pleaded guilty and NOT because he committed a stupid crime?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmget caught and not when Barney Frank or Bill Clinton get caught.
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
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I fail to remember Clinton running on a moral family values platform? Please point this out to me where he condemns certain family/sexual preferences as morally bankrupt??
August 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmBIG PERVERTS give DONATE to CLINTONS
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Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, Jerry Springer have all given the maximum donation to he Clintons.
These guys know perverts.That’s were the Dems have no problem taking money from these perverts :)
Lighten up all you TPers.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmU r right a politcal. NO Values
August 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmWhich is more hypocritical — Repubs standing up for Vitter or Dems standing up for Clinton? (just using this for an analogy — don’t get too excited all you “stop bringing up Clinton” people)
Moralists giving an adulterer a pass vs. Women’s rights supporters giving a sexual harrasser a pass.
I can’t decide — both examples show where politics are in this country. Then ends justify the means. Repubs don’t lose a seat — NOW keeps their supporter in power.
Disgusting on both sides and it is why I have pretty much given up on government in this country.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBIG PERVERTS DONATE to CLINTONS
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Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, Jerry Springer have all given the maximum donation to the Clintons.
These guys know perverts.That’s were the Dems have no problem taking money from these perverts :)
Lighten up all you TPers.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBIG PERVERTS DONATE to CLINTONS
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Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, Jerry Springer have all given the maximum donation to the Clintons.
These guys know perverts.That’s where the Dems have no problem taking money from these perverts :)
Lighten up all you TPers.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe problem with progs?…You keep re-electing your pervs…..we don’t.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
You don’t? Larry Craig has been around a long time; but I guess you were just duped.
Plus, you people like to appoint your tweekers like Ken Mehlman and Karl Rove, and then hire Jeff Gannon to report on how great a job they are doing.
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August 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pm#103 - Heartland Liberal - Guiliani’s “personal life” is the reason he WILL NEVER be nominated by the Republican Party. Same for Gingrich - he has a far more intelligent grasp of history, current events and politics than any Dem running….but Newt has a GIANT deficit in the morality department and there’s no way he will be nominated.
I wonder if the celebration of non-morality by progs is designed to make them “feel OK about themselves”? Hmmm…
August 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmThe greatest part of these Troll laments is that Clinton will be in New Hampshire this weekend, with his wife,getting applauded and honored for being who he is.
How much does that suck, Trolls?
August 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmHugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, Jerry Springer have all given the maximum donation to the Clintons.
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funny thing is that all three of those individuals command or commanded massive audiences/readers, it seems they represent an average person who is uninhibited by the rights moral shackles, someone who doesnt hide their preferences behind a political idology only to live a life of fear and surpression, followed by re-discovering jesus, admitting to alcholism and then going to some kind of rehab for a wekk and coming out cured of it all….PRAISE JEBUS!!!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pmConservatives are still talking about Bill Clinton when Giuliani is their leading candidate. He was parading down Broadway with his mistress in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade, got kicked out of mayor’s mansion because he was bringing her home in front of the kids, and then moved in with a gay couple and slept of the floor.
Newt Gingrich is a serial adulterer, deadbeat dad, draftdodger, and dope smoker.
Eisenhower banged his chauffeur. GHWBush had a longterm affair with Jennifer Franklin. Ron got Nancy pregnant before he married her, etc., etc.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#110 - Before Craig’s gay cruising in the men’s room (God, what a gross thought!) I had never heard of his perverted lifestyle.
Weak attempt on your part….please try again!
August 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI’ve been thinking the same thing all week, and I bet Vitter has been hoping no one would make a big deal out the 180 degree differences in their treatments.
It reminds me of Gary Condit and Joe Scarborough. Condit was run out of Congress when his aid went missing and he was accused of having an affair with her. Scarborough’s aid was found dead in his office around the same time, and he was accused of having an affair with her, but he quietly resigned from Congress after his wife filed for divorce. All of the media attention was on Condit while Scarborough skated away — and now claims the moral high ground on his daily MSNBC show.
Interesting that Vitter and Scarborough are very good friends. They both seem to know how to slither their way out of responsibility and accountability while stepping to the side and letting someone else get pummeled for being accused of doing the same thing as them.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmDS - You come back and tell us allll about Joe Scarborough …..after you explain the decades of Ted “Breast Stroke” Kennedy’s re-elections……..
August 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmIt was an accident when the woman died with Kennedy and everyone has heard the story. With Scarborough, it does not look like an accident and practically noone has heard the story. Condit was on every network 24/7 until 9/11 replaced him.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pm.after you explain the decades of Ted “Breast Stroke†Kennedy’s re-elections……..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 30, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
Why don’t you ask the people of Massachusetts about that? Just as it will be up to the people of Lousiana to decide Vitter, and if Craig doesn’t resign, the people of Idaho. LOL too funny MA, you should spend your free time walking, and make sure to take your meds, your starting to go off your rocker again, and the nurses are worried.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:07 pmKeith, Was it an accident that Kennedy got himself out of the submerged car and didn’t notify anyone to help Mary Jo Kopechne….until HOURS later????? Ted Kennedy is a reprehensible pig and is exactly the kind of Senator Massachusetts Progs deserve.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:09 pmComment by A.Political — August 30, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
I was saying it is NOT hypocrisy when Frank and Clinton get caught. Because their platform is NOT that they are superior to their opponent in sexual behavior. Craig and Vitter do say they are superior to their opponent.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pmBefore Craig’s gay cruising in the men’s room (God, what a gross thought!) I had never heard of his perverted lifestyle.
Weak attempt on your part….please try again!
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Look up tearoom history. It’s interesting, and you might be surprised how the T-room culture started.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pmTrue Republican Values
Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.
Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.
Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
August 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pmBy the way, I’ve been thinking a lot about the “MSM” and realized HEY the abbreviation stands for “mainstream media” and “men who have sex with other men.”
I’m starting to think there is nothing wrong with using “MSM” to describe both “mainstream media” and guys like Senator Larry Craig.
For all those confused with the abbreviation “MSM” let me define it for you:
1. MSM - stands for “men who have sex with men” and “mainstream media”
2. IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: MSM stands for BOTH “MAINSTREAM MEDIA” and “MEN WHO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER MEN”
3. “MSM” consists of mostly men who are “tools” of the Republican party. Get it? “tools”
4. “MSM” lie to themselves and actually believe their own lies. The Maintream Media believes they provide the public with “fair and balanced” reporting, and “men who have sex with men” think they are “straight.”
5. “MSM” are both virulently Republican, and anti-gay and anti-equal rights for gay men who dare to be honest and “bust their cover.”
6. “MSM” are both secretive and shadowy loose organizations of Republican men.
7. Many MSM “men who have sex with men” make major decisions for the MSM “mainstream media”
8. MSM have been known to give blow jobs to other Republicans on the “down low.” The only difference is the “mainstream media” does it live on national television interviews, and “men who have sex with men” do it in airport bathrooms.
9. MSM - “Mainstream media” and “men who have sex with men” are whores in every sense. Both corporate whores, and just plain WHORES!
10. MSM - the “Mainstream Media” and “men who have sex with men” have HIDDEN AGENDAS. They claim one thing, “I love Jesus” or “We report the truth” but are simply hiding the fact they are voting or influencing others to vote to protect the STATUS QUO or their ability to successfully secretly WHORE themselves.
That’s enough comparisons for now for the “MSM” but you are welcome to add your own!
-Timothy Beauchamp (aka cowboyneok)
August 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThe question you should all be asking yourselves is: Is my Senator/Congressman being extorted for behavior he does not wish made public?
August 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pmYet MORE Republican Values
Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys — ages ten and 12 — during a six-year period.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
August 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pmGAY
OLE
PERVERTS
August 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
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lol, I’m still right ;)
August 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — August 30, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Not as important as Bush freezing up on 9/11.
But everyone has heard the Kennedy story, while practically noone has heard the death in Scarborough’s office of the young woman who allegedly was having an affair with Joe. And it does not sound like an accident.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pm#110 - Before Craig’s gay cruising in the men’s room (God, what a gross thought!) I had never heard of his perverted lifestyle.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
That’s the whole point, you were duped and are being duped by these family values phony’s every day.
Sexual behavior or corruption; take your pick.
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August 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmEven More Republican Values
Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.
Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
August 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmlol, I’m still right ;)
Comment by A.Political — August 30, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Guess I don’t understand your point.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmLibtard Final Exam
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Sen. Larry Craig swears “I am not Gay”
Bill Clinton swears “I did not have sex with that woman.”
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Which man is a Hypocrite?
A) Sen. Larry Craig
B) Bill Clinton
C) Neither
D) Not Bill Clinton cause he did not run on family values.
E) Larry Craig cause he ran on family values.
E) Both
Results will be posted at noon:)
August 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmEven More Republican Values
Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
August 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe greatest part of these Troll laments is that Clinton will be in New Hampshire this weekend, with his wife,getting applauded and honored for being who he is.
How much does that suck, Trolls?
Comment by Zimzone
Couldn’t care less, but I do find it amusing that so many people “honor” that man. What does it say about the Dems that their biggest hero is a narcissistic sociopath?
August 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmGuess I don’t understand your point.
Comment by Keith — August 30, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
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no I misunderstood yours and then pulled a republican. ;)
I thought you were taking the opposite stance….
August 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmEven More Republican Values
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
August 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmMs Goodie 2 Shoes Vitter needs to take a walk as well.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWhat he did is just as perverse as what Senator Craig
did. But Vitter gets a total pass. That amounts to total
Bullshit. Vitter is laughing all the way to the Bank. He
should not be allowed to get away with treating his
wife like a door mat. After all, Vitter is a member of that
Holier than tho Family Values click. Family values your ass
Senator. Be a man, and vacate your seat. We won’t hold
our breath. See the truth is, behavior like these people pull
is only meant to be news if a Liberal does it. When one of
the Recontructionist fall from grace, its all about redemption
and mercy. In the last 2 years, the fallacy of these 2 faced
hypocrites has become plain for all except the blind to see.
Live by Biblical Law, Die by Biblical Law. Unless that is, they
believe themselves above what they preach to others. We
need to begin urine testing all members of the Congress,
just like common Americans are required to do to keep their
jobs. Unless these Comgress people think themselves above
the Law. And above all, we need Term Limits. Plain and simple.
Speaking of the Craig “Scandal” David Letterman has an announcment from the Senator:
funny video
August 30th, 2007 at 1:16 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=534d8793-ade7-41fd-994d-0d0ee91e6ebb
Even More Republican Values
Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
August 30th, 2007 at 1:17 pmWhat does it say about the Dems that their biggest hero is a narcissistic sociopath?
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
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not as much as repubs worshipping Bush. I mean c’mon!
August 30th, 2007 at 1:17 pm#141 - “not as much as repubs worshipping Bush. I mean c’mon!” Comment by A.Political — August 30, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Agreed 100%!
Right-whiners: “Oh, it’s just horrible that Pres. Clinton had consensual sex!”
Right-whiners: “Do not ever question Pres. Bush’d lies about WMD’s to go to war in Iraq, who had nothing to do with the War on Terror and nothing to do with September 11th!”
Right-whiners: “Do not question Pres. Bush bankrupting America and wasting the 1 trillion dollar surplus and giving us 1 trillion dollars in dept to pay for tax cuts for the mega-rich and expanding corporate welfare!”
Kinds makes one wonder how right-whiners can ignore such deep and disturbing cognitive dissonance. I guess the kool-aide helps. . . .
August 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmWhat does it say about the Dems that their biggest hero is a narcissistic sociopath?
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
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not as much as repubs worshipping Bush. I mean c’mon!
Comment by A.Political
I don’t know many who “worship” Bush. I certainly don’t. I think they respect him and admire his fortitude — and maybe want to protect him from the mob that is out to get him.
You gotta admit — the “Clinton as rock star idol” thing is pretty unique. And very strange.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pm————————
Libtard Final Exam
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Sen. Larry Craig swears “I am not Gayâ€
Bill Clinton swears “I did not have sex with that woman.â€
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Which man is a Hypocrite?
A) Sen. Larry Craig
B) Bill Clinton
C) Neither
D) Not Bill Clinton because he did not run on “family values”.
E) Larry Craig because he ran on “family values”.
E) Both
Results will be posted at noon:)
August 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pmRight-whiners: “Oh, it’s just horrible that Pres. Clinton had consensual sex!â€
Comment by Democrat Soldier
Hey, I’m all for consensual sex. I’m just not going to use my position of power to get it from a 21 year old worker in my office.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmYou gotta admit — the “Clinton as rock star idol†thing is pretty unique. And very strange.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Sorry Bush is deified much the way Reagan is among people like you. Clinton was a guy, he did some good things, and some bad things, but overall was a decent president. Bush won’t leave with an approval rating or a popularity rating anywhere near Clintons. I am sorry but it is true. You can hate Clinton all you want, but he will always be more popular then Bush.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmUsing the prosecutors’ definition of sex, Bill Clinton did not have sex with Monica. He later apologized for misleading.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pmHow about Mark Foley using his position to prey on the pages.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pmYou learn something everyday. Republicans with the Religious values think that Senator Craig is go because he solicited sex with a man but Senator Vitter has done anything wrong in soliciting sex from a prostitute. The out cry by the GOP to have Craig resign the cheers of support for Vitters doing the same thing. Mitt must really support Vitter now as Vitter is doing what the GOP thinks is morally right. I wonder how many more of Craig’s GOP friends are closet people. Birds of a feather flock together.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#131 - “That’s the whole point, you were duped and are being duped by these family values phony’s every day.
Sexual behavior or corruption; take your pick.”
You might be right. Gay or adulterous perverts are not my values. But I think the point YOU are missing:
Conservatives values voters DO NOT celebrate immoral, perverted behaviour. We understand people are not perfect - and we do not NORMALIZE perversions. We don’t try to move the sexuality immorality yardstick for “tolerance” sake. We appreciate Guiliani’s 9/11 experience and newt’s insight…..and we will not elect them. The reason humanism breeds chaos is the lack of moral parameters……
Demorat Soldier - While you’re busy with your list of perv Repubs….would you be so kind as to publish a list of known gay and/or adulterous Democrats and Repubs who have been re-elected?
August 30th, 2007 at 1:34 pmBIG PERVERTS DONATE to CLINTONS
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Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, Jerry Springer have all given the maximum donation to the Clintons.
These guys know perverts.That’s where the Dems have no problem taking money from these perverts :)
Lighten up all you TPers.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:35 pmYou can hate Clinton all you want, but he will always be more popular then Bush.
Comment by Krazny
I don’t hate Clinton. I’ve met him (on the beach) and he’s not a bad guy to chat with. I just think he is a very flawed person.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:36 pm————————
Libtard Final Exam
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Sen. Larry Craig swears “I am not Gayâ€
Bill Clinton swears “I did not have sex with that woman.â€
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Which man is a Hypocrite?
A) Sen. Larry Craig
B) Bill Clinton
C) Neither
D) Not Bill Clinton because he did not run on “family valuesâ€.
E) Larry Craig because he ran on “family valuesâ€.
F) Both
Results will be posted at noon:)
99.0% of TPers got an F(failing)
August 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pmsorry libtards you can take the test next election year or when you get your moral compass fixed…
The reason humanism breeds chaos is the lack of moral parameters……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 30, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
All humanists I have experience with are very, very moral. More than conservatives I have experienced.
Humanists did not butcher three million in Vietnam and one million in Iraq.
August 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#150 - “You learn something everyday. Republicans with the Religious values think that Senator Craig is go because he solicited sex with a man but Senator Vitter has done anything wrong in soliciting sex from a prostitute….” - Comment by Jackie
It doesn’t appear you’ve learned much. Unfortunately, it’s called politics…..Vitter will be leaving to “spend more time with his family” and Repubs can nominate a decent candidate. BTW…it looks like the Repub candidate for Governor of LA has Dems quaking in their stillettos and Birkenstocks….. But please continue lecturing the right about hypocrisy…..then explain MA & Kennedy….
August 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pmSUCCESSFUL BUSINESS PEOPLE DONATE to CLINTONS
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Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt, Jerry Springer have all given the maximum donation to the Clintons.
These guys know what sells to the average person, well average American. That’s where the Dems have no problem taking money from these business people. Especially since the