Tauscher Warns Of Petraeus’ Conflict Of Interest In Reporting On Escalation
Tauscher Warns Of Petraeus’ Conflict Of Interest In Reporting On Escalation
Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-CA) added her name to the list of analysts and lawmakers who are raising concerns about Gen. David Petraeus’s “conflicting loyalty” between “the desire to please the president” and to report the unvarnished truth about Bush’s strategy.
In an interview with ThinkProgress, Tauscher said:
We have to be sanguine about the surge, and it’s [Petreaus’s] idea. He is a fabulous military officer and tremendous pedigree, but I don’t know anybody that doesn’t want to sell their idea and keep selling it. I don’t know anybody that doesn’t think that people that aren’t for his idea are critical. So I think he’s been put in a terrible position by the Commander-In-Chief.
Revealing the deep insecurity of life in Iraq — including inside the Green Zone — Tauscher said that a mortar fell near her compound during the one of her nights in Iraq.
Tauscher used the incident to note the “constant, constant, constant stress” that troops are under. “It’s not just going to the front line, it’s going to the chow line that is a place of danger in Iraq,” she said.
Watch it:
Tauscher said “we are breaking” the soldiers on the ground. “The number of suicides has gone up dramatically, the number of attempts have gone up geometrically. … It’s our duty to take care of these people as they take care of us.”
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Ellen Tauscher is a leftist kook.
August 30th, 2007 at 3:48 pm“It’s not just going to the front line, it’s going to the chow line that is a place of danger in Iraq,â€
Yup
Post #1 is from a dipsh!t with no mental capacity for reason or logic. Ignore the fu*k head.
August 30th, 2007 at 3:51 pmdeath by powerpoint
August 30th, 2007 at 3:52 pmEllen Tauscher’s statements all on its own is a ‘conflict of interest.’
The lefty, anti-war, use-the-troops-as-a-smokescreen-for-our-loony-agenda crowds over at UC-system campuses love the spotlight she’s getting.
August 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pmTauscher the Hag’s trespasses come down to two things in her presumptuous and insolent “interview.” Number one, Tauscher the Hag is constantly divided between admitting how much she disdains the intelligence and independence of Gen. Petraeus and concealing her belittling of him. As per her interview, she obviously distrusts that Patraeus can be confident enough to give Bush an independent assessment, which, in my mind and many other patriots, is a complete slur against Petraeus and the military. Tauscher the Hag is charging that Petaeus is too feeble to tell Bush his opinion. Secondly, Tauscher the Hag (flagrantly pandering to leftarded progs) demeans the ENTIRE US military by forging “concern” for them by citing their allegedly increasing suicide rates. When she commits this, she’s belittling the US military as being too weak so as not to be able to tough it out in a warzone. This is absolutely affronting to the military who are highly conditioned.
August 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmComment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Every time you post using a derivative of my name, you validate me.
Do continue… ^_^
August 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmHey, “TripMaster Munkey”…why do you so desperately need to associate yourself with me? Can’t your ideas stand on their own?
August 30th, 2007 at 3:56 pmKeep up your media pony show, Tauscha.
August 30th, 2007 at 3:56 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Riveting. It said ‘derivative.’
I can compute the derivative of every type of function. Can you?
August 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pmTripMaster Monkey ,
August 30th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou support Islamic radicals!
Why?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 30, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Very disturbing words for a person of your age…
August 30th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by Trip Master Donkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Because it wants to push die-versity onto the rest of America.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:01 pmKeep it up, “TripMaster Munkey”…at the rate you’re going, I’ll be a folk hero by supper time.
Speaking of which, I’ve got to skate…time for the long commute home.
I’ll be back later tonight…until then, accept no substitutes. You can recognize an authentic TripMaster Monkey (â„¢) post by the lack of spelling and grammatical errors. ^_^
August 30th, 2007 at 4:03 pmCan our trolls get any more stupid….my goodness, they have the collective brains of a toad.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThey think they are being cute and clever, but are really just showing what stupid inbreed scum they really are.
Please continue on so we can get a good belly laugh at you ignorance.
Patreus is a “tremendous pedigree”
Do you think we can enter him in the Westminster dog show?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:05 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — August 30, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
This is what you do for a living…hang out here? Commuting home from Thinkprogress.org?
If that’s the case, your job will be on the cutting block before 2015, rest assured.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:06 pmSeems to me that Tauscher is simply stating that if someone believes in something, no matter how crazy it seems to everyone else, it’s tough to get them to see it any other way. Kind of like how you nutjob right wingers still support this illegal war and a criminal administration.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:07 pmthank goodness someone has the guts to point out what has been obvious since General Betrayus was put in charge: that he was put in charge specifically because he’s just another bush/cheney stooge that toes the party line no matter what the cost in lives and dollars.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pm.
desire to please the president = desire to keep his job
August 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmEvery time you post using a derivative of my name, you validate me.
Do continue… ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
TripMaster Monkey/2008
August 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmPetraeus’ conflict of interest is long-standing. The guy broke one of the most basic rules of an apolitical military with his 2002 pre-election pro-administration editorial.
He has zero credibility as an honest broker - he is a pure partisan.
An honest broker would be screaming bloody murder that he’s being asked to engage in counterinsurgency operations with a tithe of the forces the manual he wrote stipulates are required.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:09 pm“Keep it up, “TripMaster Munkeyâ€â€¦at the rate you’re going, I’ll be a folk hero by supper time.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:10 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — August 30, 2007 @ 4:03 pm”
It’s just after lunch on the west coast and YOU are A Folk Hero!
Although imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - ‘munkey’ is neither sincere nor flattering but a very poor imitation.
Please continue on so we can get a good belly laugh at you ignorance.
Sure, and you are a paragon of liberal brainpower?
“…laugh at you ignorance”?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:13 pmDo you think we can enter him in the Westminster dog show?
Comment by dim wit — August 30, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Well, he’s got the “roll over and play dead” act down. He’ll have to stop licking Bush’s balls, though.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:13 pmCan we have a serious discussion about this conflict of interest issue?
V
August 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pm15 month deployment…
12 months rest (sometimes less and training for next deployment)…
15 month deployment…
Out of every 3.8 YEARS the troops are spending 1 year at home and the rest in Combat, many of them in CONSTANT COMBAT for greater than 2.8 years out of every 3.8.
What could go wrong? Why should the rest of America sacrifice? Seems to me that 2.8 years in ongoing and constant combat is no sweat (unless of course you are weak as ProgslikeTauscherunderestimateUSmilitary implies)?
/sarcasm off
I am sooo frustrated I have to resort to sarcasm.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIf that’s the case, your job will be on the cutting block before 2015, rest assured.
Comment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
You’re just jealous because he actually HAS a job.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmComment by Inbreed Troll Scum — August 30, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Inbreed Troll Scum? Wow, you’re brilliant as well.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:16 pmYou’re just jealous because he actually HAS a job.
Comment by ronjazz — August 30, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Ronjazz is just trying to brag about her job, after all, she just got promoted to Cinnabon night manager.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI’ll be back later tonight…until then, accept no substitutes. You can recognize an authentic TripMaster Monkey (™) post by the lack of spelling and grammatical errors. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Agreed. The ‘real’ TripMaster Monkey is wise and thoughtfull. Trolls who have to grab someones name strikes me as sort of childish and foolish. Again, it is another way for bush worshipers to avoid thinking for themselves. Bush supporters do not like to think for themselves - they need an authoritarian to do it for them. Trolls pathetically embrace our imbecile in chief because they no nothing else. I guess their parents didnt explain to them that thinking for yourself is a good thing. Sigh…
August 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmComment by ronjazz — August 30, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Wrong on all counts.
What job does he have? Collecting welfare in front of a high-speed computer while wearing slacks?
A real job requires work, not alot of ^_^ and ^_^.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmInbreed Troll Scum? Wow, you’re brilliant as well.
Comment by ronjazz — August 30, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
LOOOOOOOL, you dimwit.
Check it out, stupid:
“They think they are being cute and clever, but are really just showing what stupid inbreed scum they really are.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmPlease continue on so we can get a good belly laugh at you ignorance.
Comment by Buck Fush — August 30, 2007 @ 4:05 pm”
I guess their parents didnt explain to them that thinking for yourself is a good thing. Sigh…
Comment by Tom — August 30, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Their parents gave them up for adoption, so they are wards of the state, by and large. Like Inbreed Trool Scum, who is back on the Cinnabon bit, after using the same routine a couple of weeks ago. Weak, unoriginal, smelly and ugly, can’t even hold that Cinnabon job down.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI see mr. p has crawled out of his meth fog and found the keyboard. This will get worse before it gets better.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:22 pmA real job requires work, not alot of ^_^ and ^_^.
Comment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Well, let us know if you ever get a job. Does Cinnabon have web access? Make sure you put your mop and bucket away, if you get the job.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pm“mr. p has crawled out of his meth fog and found the keyboard.”
He has put little pieces of tape on the “h”, “e”, “y” and “o” keys,
August 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pmjust for times like these…
This will get worse before it gets better.
Comment by upside00 — August 30, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
GOP mantra.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pmOh boy, HughJazz is back and already making herself look like an idiot.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmI see mr. p has crawled out of his meth fog and found the keyboard. This will get worse before it gets better.
Comment by upside00 — August 30, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
This type of self whizzing troll is best left to its own devices, talking to itself, arguing with itself, as it has shown in the past when ignored.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIraq = Q-U-A-G-M-I-R-E
August 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmGood thing the troops don’t have to read our trolls’ crap, or suicides would double again.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmSHORTER TRAUSCHER: Petreaus has no credibility and his report will be self-serving garbage.
I couldn’t agree more.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:28 pm.
Comment by ronjazz — August 30, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
What makes you think I’m not employed? I know I do more work than Thinkprogress.org’s “professional” ^_^- er.
You don’t really know the definition of a job, do you?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWhat’s the matter, Frenchy, do you hate women? Is that your best shot, compare me to a girl? Do they scare you like military service does? Did your mother disown you, or just run off with one of your “uncles”? What is your issue that you have to sink to that level? Just the usual lack of imagination or perhaps a lack of intellectual firepower? Maybe you’re attempting to reinforce your “manhood”.
It’s too late.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSorry TP guys more bad news to report:
Here it is since TP has its suppress and censor filter on,
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An independent political group allied with Democrats and heavily bankrolled by billionaire George Soros has agreed to pay $775,000 to the Federal Election commission for violating campaign laws during the 2004 presidential campaign.
The civil penalty, announced Wednesday, is the third largest fine ever levied by the FEC.
The group, America Coming Together, was an influential player in the 2004 election cycle, spending millions of dollars to mobilize voters in support of Democrats in key states.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pm——————————————————————————————–
Apologies to the “Holier than thou Dems”
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Comment by pluege — August 30, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
pluege. hmm.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pmhehe. Clever girl.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIt was you hugh, who was bashing the troops, just yesterday. Perhaps you’re responsible for a few suicides over there?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:34 pmViolating Campaign laws during the 2004 presidential campaign.
Dems those sweet little angels…
August 30th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI can compute the derivative of every type of function. Can you?
Comment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
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yes, but your opinions are definitely not integral. ;)
August 30th, 2007 at 4:35 pmComment by Bob — August 30, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Good, I’m glad they were caught and stopped, like the Swift Boaters were. Oh, you forgot to mention that, Boob. The Swift Boaters, same exact thing. We on the side of freedom know that there’s too much special interest money in politics, we know money isn’t free speech, we know money corrupts the system, so you won’t find anyone here trying to defend ACT if they were investigated and fined for violations. That’s the difference between you and us; we actually stand by the Law, you always try to go around it if you can’t directly break it and get away with it. So, thanks for the good news. Unlike rightards, we don’t defend illegal actions. You’re hypocrisy is showing, as usual.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:37 pmWho’s hugh? Can somebody teach the frenchy to read and write in English?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:39 pmStudy: Troops Could Leave With Little Risk
WASHINGTON (AP) — Most U.S. troops can be withdrawn safely from Iraq in roughly one year and the Bush administration should begin planning the pullout immediately, according to a study released Wednesday.
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ world/ iraq/ 2007-08-29-iraq-pullout_N.htm
August 30th, 2007 at 4:40 pmStudy: Troops Could Leave With Little Risk
WASHINGTON (AP) — Most U.S. troops can be withdrawn safely from Iraq in roughly one year and the Bush administration should begin planning the pullout immediately, according to a study released Wednesday.
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ world/ iraq/ 2007-08-29-iraq-pullout_N.htm
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 30, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
Well, there would be little risk to the troops, but Commander Codpiece would lose his reason for living, so it won’t happen. He would rather kill another 1000 American troops than be exposed for the liar he has been. Worst president Ever.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:43 pmStill nothing on Clinton’s acceptance of dirty money and her being forced to give it to charity. Now she’s saying she’ll be more vigilant. Uh huh. Like your hubby in 1996? 120 people donating that ended up missing or fleeing the country?
All the while, TP goes on the road and puts up tremendously important articles like a homo poll in the NY Post. That was huge. All the while the Democratic Party is scrambling like roaches as liberals do when the spotlight is turned on them and running for cover. Since they don’t have the character to post real news, we will continue to hijack threads so the brain-washed here can get the real truth.
Link:
August 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pmDemocrats scramble to give away tainted contributions
laugh at you ignorance.
Comment by Buck Fush — August 30, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
heh.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThere may an argument about the “moderate progress” made by the military in reducing violence IN SOME Areas , for the time being…BUT…I have heard of NO PROGRESS on the POLITICAL situation in Iraq! The Sunni’s have left the Govt. which is on vacation anyhow.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pmLet’s see the plans for KIRKUK…where the Sunnis and the Kurds both think the oil is theirs.
Without a political compromise among all the Iraqi’s…the military progress won’t matter. Unless we want to keep hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq indefinitely…which we don’t and can’t.
Study: Troops Could Leave With Little Risk
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 30, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
August 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pmNot without that give-away oil law they can’t! Darth would send Blackwater after every one of them for being diloyal to the Chickenhawk NeoCon BushCo Flying Circus and Fluffer Brigade.
Comment by Bob — August 30, 2007
Is that anything like Coin Gate?
or Abramoff-connected campaign monies?
or
DeLay campaign money laundering?
or….should I go on?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pmLink:
Democrats scramble to give away tainted contributions
Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
How about Bush refuses to return millions from convicted felons? that has much more relevance than a few grand going to charity. Nice try, GOPisdead.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pmPetreaus’s report will be written by White House as reported here 8/15/07
“Despite Bush’s repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.
And though Petraeus and Crocker will present their recommendations on Capitol Hill, legislation passed by Congress leaves it to the president to decide how to interpret the report’s data.”
August 30th, 2007 at 4:45 pmWhy do righties have such a hard time focusing on topics?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWhy do righties have such a hard time focusing on topics?
Comment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Cause they got nothin else…. Nothing, No think, No nuttin.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:47 pmbob just can’t stay focused. Rep. Ellen Tauscher raises the questions that need to be asked. To do less is a disservice to our military and to the Iraqi people.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pmWhy do righties have such a hard time focusing on topics?
Comment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
A genetic flaw known as Shorattentspanitisandcan’targuethetopicsojust throwanythingoutandhopenobodynotices.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“Violating Campaign laws during the 2004 presidential campaign.
Dems those sweet little angels…
Comment by Bob — August 30, 2007 @ 4:34 pm”
But they did not Disenfranchise anyones votes like the Republicans……..
The Republicans have been CAUGHT red handed usin CAGING lists! This is now the THIRD TIME!!!!!!
I would rather have someone breaking a law this way than preventing someones vote from meaning anything!
August 30th, 2007 at 4:49 pmWhy do righties have such a hard time focusing on topics?
Comment by troqua — August 30, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
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Because they have no real arguments. They just spout garbage.
I’m not a big Hillary fan, but sometimes I hope she wins just because I know it would send our resident trolls into their own living hell for 4-8 years.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI’m not a big Hillary fan, but sometimes I hope she wins just because I know it would send our resident trolls into their own living hell for 4-8 years.
Comment by Vet — August 30, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Vet, I agree, but from reading some of their ranting posts, don’t you think they are already in a living hell?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:51 pmSorry to get side tracked V.
I am not sure if it is a conflict of interest; however, since the Bush administration with the help of Rumsfeld has purged the military of any of the top brass that had objections, the only ones left are of the same mindset as the President.
Major General John Batiste - retired to speak out
Lt. General Gregory Newbold - retired in protest about going into Iraq
Lt. General Anthony Zinni - “mistake to support Bush in 2000…suggestions from top military ignored.”
In addition the following Retired Generals wrote a letter to Bush (about prisoner abuse).
General Joseph Hoar
General Brahms
General Fugh
General Gard
Admiral Gunn
Admiral Hutson
General Omeara
This type of public outcry from the TOP military has NEVER been seen before against a sitting President. So yes, what’s left in the TOP military is what General Newbold says (paraphrase) are those that are too timid to criticize, agree with the policy, or feel that they have a duty to obey the President.
It is hard to think General Patraeus’ report is objective - especially when other top brass (still in the military) are trying to get their reports on record because of their dissent.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:52 pm“I’m not a big Hillary fan, but sometimes I hope she wins just because I know it would send our resident trolls into their own living hell for 4-8 years.
Comment by Vet — August 30, 2007 @ 4:50 pm”
Nah…… I would rather see Obama…. Having a BLACK man in the WH would really get under their skin……
Hillary has already been in there so that would not be anything knew for them, but Obama………
Man their heads must be spinning with the thought of that???
August 30th, 2007 at 4:52 pmhahah, you’re hugh, you responded to it, you know you’re hugh. Who’s frenchy? :kisses:
August 30th, 2007 at 4:53 pmI’m also not a Hillary supporter, but there’s something really sweet about Bill and Hillary Clinton walking back into the White House. Can you imagine? hahaha!
August 30th, 2007 at 4:53 pmBecause you’re focusing on the wrong topics………..you’re the man behind the curtain in Wizard of OZ trying to keep people’s attention on non-news issues like Tauscher. Do a Google News search on her name and you come up with, voila, two whole articles, one of which is Think Communist. So keep up with your lame little comments between yourselves, thinking you’re so cute and clever, while your leading lib for president’s campaign is being rocked to the core by this investigation. It’s just getting started.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI am so glad that the Iraq issue isn’t very important so we can get back to the pressing issues at hand - like insults and whether Hillary took dirty money or not.
I hate wasting time on the silly little things like my friends fighting over in Iraq.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:58 pmMaybe Hillary/Obama ticket? And appoint Monica as Ambassador to France.
I can see Rush’s head expode now.
August 30th, 2007 at 4:58 pmTauscher = ant
August 30th, 2007 at 4:59 pmHsu = whale
Support the troops, bring them home NOW!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pmHere is your proof Bob…..
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/239832.html
“Ohio law permitted challenges in 2004 but required political parties to list targeted voters in advance of the election.
The Ohio Republican Party notified election authorities in the fall of 2004 that it planned to challenge more than 35,000 voters at the polls, a figure it later trimmed to 23,000.
Democrats sued in Cincinnati to block the challenges and before U.S. District Judge Dickinson Debevoise in Newark, N.J., who had issued a consent decree barring the tactic in 1982 after finding the GOP illegally targeted minority voters in the state’s gubernatorial race the previous year.
The Justice Department was not a party to either case. Nor did Judge Dlott solicit the federal government’s views. But Acosta weighed in anyway. Challenges, he wrote, “help strike a balance between ballot access and ballot integrity.”
Republicans’ use of caging has been a contentious issue ever since Debevoise’s ruling 26 years ago. In 1986, the judge found that Louisiana Republicans had violated the consent decree. In 1990, another consent decree was issued after the Republican Party of North Carolina and the re-election campaign of GOP Sen. Jesse Helms sent 125,000 postcards to mostly African American voters to compile a list of voters to challenge.”
The ONLY way Republicans can win anything is BY CHEATING!!!!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:02 pmI heard Clinton lost money on a suspicious Arkansas land deal. Why isn’t anyone investigating that???
August 30th, 2007 at 5:02 pmIraq issue is important. Trying to squeeze a tiny piece of information from an irrelevant congress member’s comments because it fits your agenda and pretend like it’s news is not important. You did the Google search, and now you’re back to reality. TP is nothing more the George Soros’ pet funded propaganda machine.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:02 pmTauscher the Hag’s trespasses come down to two things in her presumptuous and insolent “interview.†Number one, Tauscher the Hag is constantly divided between admitting how much she disdains the intelligence and independence of Gen. Petraeus and concealing her belittling of him. As per her interview, she obviously distrusts that Patraeus can be confident enough to give Bush an independent assessment, which, in my mind and many other patriots, is a complete slur against Petraeus and the military. Tauscher the Hag is charging that Petaeus is too feeble to tell Bush his opinion. Secondly, Tauscher the Hag (flagrantly pandering to leftarded progs) demeans the ENTIRE US military by forging “concern†for them by citing their allegedly increasing suicide rates. When she commits this, she’s belittling the US military as being too weak so as not to be able to tough it out in a warzone. This is absolutely affronting to the military who are highly conditioned.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pm“Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:02 pm”
So how many trips have you made to Iraq??????
August 30th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMaybe Hillary/Obama ticket? And appoint Monica as Ambassador to France.
I can see Rush’s head explode now.
Comment by nanlichi — August 30, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
But nothing like Beck’s! His Nazi-noggin shrapnel would be covering half of the African continent when that was announced!!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:06 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — August 30, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Very disturbing words for a person of your age…
Comment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
You have no idea how old I am dingle berry. Besides stop being a little b!tch. What are you gonna do cry to your mommy, you freak? Go fu*k yourself traitor.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:07 pm#80
This isn’t about HER, it is about the Patraeus report which is VERY RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT. This is about discussing whether her belief that it may not be very objective. I don’t see how you couldn’t “squeeze that tiny piece of information” out of the article.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:07 pmDo I believe the overwhelming evidence coming from Iraq regarding the military surge making progress from all political parties, or do I try to hang on to one loose cannon named Tauscher who is going against the current and putting out her biased opinion on Generals and Presidents? Hmmmm. That’s a no-brainer. Oh, unless you’re a lib, then you hang on to the tiniest shred of negative news and pretend like the rest of the nation is wrong and Tauscher the Hag is right.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:08 pm“Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:02 pmâ€
So how many trips have you made to Iraq??????
Comment by RemoveBush — August 30, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Are you kidding? He is a Repug, they send other people to be in Harm’s way. It is easier to fight from behind his trusty keyboard.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:08 pmTweety-DeLay lovefest on now. I might throw up a little bit.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:09 pmVery disturbing words for a person of your age…
Comment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
You have no idea how old I am dingle berry. Besides stop being a little b!tch. What are you gonna do cry to your mommy, you freak? Go fu*k yourself traitor.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 30, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Very disturbing words for a person of ANY age…
August 30th, 2007 at 5:11 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Yeah, tiniest thread. The top brass that are in disagreement, the veterans that are coming back. The veterans that are writing op-eds, the reports that show numbers and statistics that are nominal AT BEST.
OH YEAH, I have been there. I have asked those that were with me and have gone back SINCE I have been there. I have asked those I know that are STILL THERE. That is what I base my information on.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“Are you kidding? He is a Repug, they send other people to be in Harm’s way. It is easier to fight from behind his trusty keyboard.
Comment by upside00 — August 30, 2007 @ 5:08 pm”
I know, but I had to ask……
It was really a rehtorical question, since I knew the answer already…. :>)
August 30th, 2007 at 5:12 pmTauscherisideologicallyslanderingIraqprogress,
Great bs name by the way. Can you show me examples of independant assessment that came from the military and it contradicted the White House? Meaning show me the reports that actually survived going thru the white house and still had the appearance of an independant report.
No need for your venom at a patriot who is giving an honest assessment.
She does not demean the military and you are wildly distorting your unfounded view. Their is no “allegedly increased suicide rates” They are at the highest they’ve been in 23 years.
You jump to more conclusions than most of the trolls here.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:12 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:08 p
Oh, and I have a few friends leaving in a few weeks (for their 3rd time), I will see what they say when they get there.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:13 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Please provide those examples of political gains in Iraq. I am very interested in seeing progress and would appreciate evidence so we can all stand up and praise the successes.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:13 pmVery disturbing words for a person of ANY age…
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
So, you guys ahve a problem with “go fu*k yourself?” Then why don’t you think it was disturbing when the Vice Presidnet of the United Staes said it on the Senate floor.
Why?
Because you don’t. You are both just playing the pu$$y card. Stop being pu$$ies. Pussies.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmTo all the trolls,
August 30th, 2007 at 5:16 pmPlease, once and for all try to understand this. We don’t hate the troops, we don’t hate America.
We think that it was a terrible idea to invade a country that did not invade us. We think it was bad to kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who did not attack us. The majority of our coountry agrees with us, and the rest of the world overwhelmingly does also.
So either respond to our position and please tell us why you think it is OK to kill people who did not attack us, or STFU.
Please provide those examples of political gains in Iraq.
Comment by Hellinabucket — August 30, 2007
Cheney said so. Sheesh, you don’t believe the Veep?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:16 pmSo, you guys ahve a problem with “go fu*k yourself?†Then why don’t you think it was disturbing when the Vice Presidnet of the United Staes said it on the Senate floor.
Why?
Because you don’t. You are both just playing the pu$$y card. Stop being pu$$ies. Pussies.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 30, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Very disturbing that that a pu$$y like me could make you compare yourself to Dick Cheney.
Hahahahah.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:17 pmPlease, once and for all try to understand this…
Comment by bg — August 30, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
You could have stopped right there.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pmThere is no room in the tiny troll brain for understanding.
Only for the immediate and utterly fixated response, YES SIR, how much, sir. Right Away, Sir.
Here is the difference behind crying libtard conspiracists and logical conservatives: Conservatives take all things in consideration and support decisions based on facts. If Patraeus comes out with a negative report, I will support those in the field of battle and their recommendations. Libtard conspiracists have already made up their mind that this is another conspiracy and the report is being written by Bush. Instead of accepting 9/11 was the result of Islamic Fascists, they try to convince themselves that it was actually done by Bush to gain power. That is evidence of a sick mind. They won’t give Reagan credit for the financial boom of the 80’s or the destruction of Communism. They don’t accept war being an option for any reason. They try to rewrite history. They try to control the press. They try to control Universities. They are exactly what George Orwell was warning us against. Extreme liberals are a dying lot thank God. It will be a happy day in America when liberalism is defeated and the death knell hammers the coffin shut. It happened to the Berlin Wall, so there is hope the liberal Berlin Wall can fall too.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pmDemocracy cannot exist in a non-Christian land - they go hand in hand. We will never be able to force a democracy down the throats of Muslims - it is not even in their vocabulary. So the answer is not nation building but nation containment. Invading Iraq gives us another base (as did Afganistan and the previous places in that region) to begin nation containment and hopefully keep the crap over there.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:20 pmThanks for saying that bg. I’ve been showing my more rational rightwing friends the bile and ignorance that is shouting for their party and they are truly embarassed. They say these trolls aren’t helping anything by their jumping from topic to topic and the childish insults.
Keep it up trolls. You are helping the correct side gain believers by showing ignorance reigns under Bush.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:20 pmHah, logical conservatives, logical liberals.. it’s all relative and BS.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI am looking to donate to Democratic presidential fund.
Can anyone point me to Clinton website?
Thanks Hsu
August 30th, 2007 at 5:23 pmLiberals and conservatives (in their purest forms) as usually seen here and other places are peforming demagogy at best. There is no thoughtful discussion.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:23 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
That is a bigger crock than usual. Facts? Show me the facts that pushed our country to invade Iraq. Show me the facts that said we didn’t need 325,000 troops to secure it. Show me the facts that support disbanding the Iraqi military.
You have no facts on your side. True conservatives want Bush out more than the Democrats. You are not a true conservative.
You are a follower of a fool.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:23 pmMr Sacks
August 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pmSo true
Comment by TripMaster Munkey — August 30, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Okay fake Tripmaster, show us your pyschology degree. Otherwise your just spewing your opinion, which is nothing really. You may as well have posted a blank post.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pmJohn Sacks,
You are correct in that there is no thoughtful discussion. There used to be attempts but it’s sunk to name calling, finger pointing and other 3rd grade yelling contests.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWhen it comes to the war you have one side that connects the war in Iraq with the greater war on terror or current world war. The other side wants to not associate Iraq with the greater war and pull back completely from Iraq. Regardless of who was right or wrong at any point in this particular history, we are in a situation now that pulling back will create great problems for us and therfor must connect Iraq and its insurgency to the greater war whether we like it or not.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pm“Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:19 pm”
Everything you just stated is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!!!!!
The Republicans believe in OPINION not FACTS!!!!!
It was OPINION that started this war, not FACTS!!!!!
It was OPINION that keeps it going, not FACTS!!!!!
Oh, and 9/11 was an inside job…… THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!
Here are some points that are more than just coinsidence:
1) Bush sat in a chair for over 7 minutes, and the Secret Service did NOTHING. Dispite that SUPPOSEDLY they did not know how many planes were hijacke, or thier location and Bush sat DIRECTLY in the flight path of a MAJOR airport.
2) Cars several blocks away from Ground Zero, had the metal corroded (Not burned). Corrossion only occures with a certain types of chemicals. One of those being THERMATE.
3) BBC anouncing 23 minutes BEFORE WTC7 fell that it had fallen.
4) The NTSB flight data information does not MATCH the official story.
I could go on, but this should be enough to tweak your little mind.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pmDemocracy cannot exist in a non-Christian land
Comment by John Sacks
Bullsh!t.
Democracy cannot exist in a land that the people are not ready to accept demoncracy.
Christianity has nothing to do with it.
In fact hardcore Christian fundamentalists are an anti-democracy, just like hard core fundamentalist ( insert any religion at all here )
The founders of this country set up a secular government, not a christian government.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
What about the “next 6 months” deadline that has been touted for the last THREE YEARS! I have already seen many a “6 months” that was supposedly bring success come and go.
I will definitely read the Patraeus report and look at how he is coming to his conclusions, but I will also look at those OTHER OFFICERS that are making an effort to make their voices heard.
Not to mention, if we are to continue this Occupation, we need to institute a draft to increase to the necessary manpower, strength and readiness.
In the mean time, our defense is severely declining while we sink all of our resources into the Iraq black hole.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pmDemocracy cannot exist in a non-Christian land
Comment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
The billion plus citizens of India would be surprised to hear that….especially since India contains the second largest Moslem population in the world.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI see the typical “hate Bush and hate war regardless of logical thought” crowd is here today. The war may be the biggest mistake in history, but at this point we must stay for the long haul because of the greater problem from the Islamic fundementalist movement. There will be a way out at some point but pulling out now simply because of so called “anti-war” sentiment will only create more problems for us.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWe think that it was a terrible idea to invade a country that did not invade us. We think it was bad to kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who did not attack us.
So either respond to our position and please tell us why you think it is OK to kill people who did not attack us, or STFU.
Comment by bg — August 30, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Iraq didn’t invade us, but they attacked us as best they could. No sympathy for being bad at it.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pmInvading Iraq gives us another base (as did Afganistan and the previous places in that region) to begin nation containment and hopefully keep the crap over there.
Comment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
And you call THIS thoughtful?
What the hell is nation containment?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThat WAS happening in Iraq from 1991 on.
Please stop being so effing dishonest.
Oh, and 9/11 was an inside job…… THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!
Comment by RemoveBush — August 30, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Troof. It tells us all we need to know.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pmbut they attacked us as best they could
How was that for you?
What attack?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:30 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
I have never said that 9/11 was an done by Bush. Again, you create a straw man to ignore the facts. What about the other Generals? What about the troops on the ground. What about the fact that Iraqis want us out?
If the Iraqis want us out, what justification do we have to stay there? Democracy for Iraqis is only good if it is the democracy that we want? Doesn’t sound like democracy?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:30 pmGoing to war with Iraq was sold to the U.N. and Congress based on manipulated intelligence. Bush lied to them and lied to America. No president should ever consider a pre-emptive strike unless there is irrefutable evidence. But, you watch, Bush will do it again before he leaves office. Impeachment is too late thanks to Pelosi.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:30 pmComment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Impressive. You seem to have angered both sides.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmLiberals and conservatives (in their purest forms) as usually seen here and other places are peforming demagogy at best. There is no thoughtful discussion. Comment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Thats because people like to post their baseless opinions, as you, and Bob, have done. Tauscher praises Petraeus here and people call her a kook. Petraeus loyalty to America is not conflicted as I see it, His conflict comes from trying to please his superiors while not getting the boot.
I know plenty of relatives and friends that have served thru Vietnam, Korea and WWII. The damage such stress causes lasts a lifetime. The amount of people going AWOL increases with each successive tour of duty. If Bush decides to bomb Iran he will have to institute a draft.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYou can’t contain from within. We had containment in the 90s. It worked fine.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmVery disturbing that that a pu$$y like me could make you compare yourself to Dick Cheney.
Hahahahah.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
What is really disturbing is that you still have a double standard about everything in your pathetic little pu$$y troll life. Hypcritical little b!tch.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pm13% of India is Muslim compared with 2% Christian. India’s current structure is rooted in British imperialism (Christian dominated) and based on Christian principles of law. Granted, their religion doesn not force theocracy but their history of Christian rule definately helped form their democracy.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pmDemocracy is irrelevant of religion. That is just ridiculous.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by John Sacks
keep posting, you are removing any doubt that you are a fool. lmao
“Democracy cannot exist in a non-Christian land”
Bwahahahaha
How does it feel being as stupid as a rock, John?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pmCheney thought invading Iraq was a fool’s game in a statement in 1994.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIf it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck………
Sophmoric line taught and regurgitated by other libs. If you don’t understand this is a fight against Islamic Extremists that knows no borders, then you’ll never understand. This will be going on during your grandkids lives. Have you ever asked yourself why Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and the UN are completely fine with what is going on in Iraq. Those with brains understand the big picture. Those that are brain-washed and have no understanding of history, pretend like it’s just Evil America attacking a poor, helpless, non-agressive country. Whaaaaa. Grow up.
Another retarded liberal statement. The country is overwhelmingly supportive of America and it’s troops succeeding and our security in this country remaining intact. The rest of the world has been bailed out of two World Wars by us so they don’t have a very good track record on being right. Does the name Neville Chamberlain ring a bell? Oh yeah, you don’t do history, sorry. Why do you think France is hinting at taking a more active role in Iraq? Could it be that they understand the bigger picture now? You’re speaking out of your as*.
Yeah, I think I just did. I don’t think you’re used to having someone counter your lame-brain liberal ideology with historical facts and evidence. When that happens, the ad hominem attacks begin. This is the last weapon of a lib who gets flamed…..start calling names. Start counting. Now it’s your turn to STFU.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pmImpressive. You seem to have angered both sides.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007
Theres not a poster or troll here that can anger me with their bias droolings and projectionist rants. I dont know why people let words get to them.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pmComment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
So India is way more Muslim than Christian It has democracy. And “Democracy cannot exist in a non-Christian landâ€.
hmmmmm. something doesn’t sound right.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pmJohn Sacks, and how does Christianity play in Japan’s democracy again?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:35 pmRising Islam in India is actually a concern there - rising is the key word because Islamic law never entered into the governence of that country - and where it was there was civil war.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
When did Iraq EVER attack the United States?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHey John Sacks: India is the largest democracy in the world and isn’t very Christian the last time I checked. Please check your facts.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pm13% of India is Muslim compared with 2% Christian. India’s current structure is rooted in British imperialism (Christian dominated) and based on Christian principles of law. Granted, their religion doesn not force theocracy but their history of Christian rule definately helped form their democracy.
Comment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
India is majority Hindu, and the old caste system still applies in many ways. There have made some serious attempts to end the caste system, with some success. It is similar to racism in the US. Still a problem, but it gets a bit better every generation.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:37 pmHow was that for you?
What attack?
Comment by RUCerious — August 30, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Iraq was routinely attacking coalition aircraft prior to our invasion - which stopped those attacks.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThis is the last weapon of a lib who gets flamed…..start calling names. Start counting. Now it’s your turn to STFU. Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
You attack all liberals with your name, and in fact it by itself is a form of name-calling. Yet all you can do is whine about others degrading to YOUR level… Pure projection.
As for your little rambling rant about Chamberlain, not only have we heard of him, we have a modern day equivalent with Tony Blair. The man that enabled an illegal aggression by distorting and fabricating an excuse to justify it - just like Chamberlain did. This time though we were the ones that invaded another country on a lie - it wasn’t the Germans.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:37 pmounter your lame-brain liberal ideology with historical facts and evidence. When that happens, the ad hominem attacks begin. This is the last weapon of a lib who gets flamed…..start calling names. Start counting. Now it’s your turn to STFU.
Comment by Liberalismisdead —
What facts have you posted? I see no facts here, I see you doing what you accuse others of, repeatedly.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:37 pmJohn Sacks, you simplify things to support the idea of staying for a greater cause but yet you don’t acknowledge any logistics to support that. I suggest you immerse yourself in military logistics and what it will take to “support” the continuation of staying in Iraq. Include the cost of the privateers and hired guns that account for almost half of the forces their now.
The failures of this administration on it’s execution alone have left us in a terribly poor position. To stay now to attempt and correct past wrongs is throwing good money after bad and wasting lives that shouldn’t be asked to fight this error.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmWhen did Iraq EVER attack the United States?
Comment by DanCaveman — August 30, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
They attacked our aircraft on a nearly daily basis.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmInvading Iraq gives us another base (as did Afganistan and the previous places in that region) to begin nation containment and hopefully keep the crap over there.
Comment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
If you really believe that this is a major reason for the illegal invasion, then you are a TRUE NeoCon. And you are no true American.
My hope is you are just stirring the pot here.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmIraq was routinely attacking coalition aircraft prior to our invasion - which stopped those attacks. Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
So your excuse is that you’d prefer they attack and kill thousands of our troops, than their feeble excuse of an attack on planes that were bombing them? BHAAHAHA, you aren’t the brightest bulb - are you? Maybe that’s why you can only think of one letter to describe yourself. Is that ‘r’ for rube, redneck, radical, rapturists or republican (sorry I know those terms are redundant).
August 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
We could have easily stopped the attacks on aircraft at a fraction of the involvement this president recklessly thru at them.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThey attacked our aircraft on a nearly daily basis.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Actually we attacked them on a daily basis - remember our aircraft were flying over their country - not the other way around!
But don’t let the truth stand in the way of those lame excuses!!! BHAAHA, poor little wacko!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
They tried to attack aircraft. About as effective as the Scud missiles.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmIf we were to completely pull out of Iraq today, the vacum left for Iran and Syria would be more dangerous than anyone can imagine today. I am all for pulling back, closing the borders and keeping the crap out of this country but a complete withdrawl regardless of why we are there won’t be good for this country. As far as logistics - yea its tough - it was tough to occupy Japan and Germany for all those years as well.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:41 pmWe could have easily stopped the attacks on aircraft at a fraction of the involvement this president recklessly thru at them.
Comment by Hellinabucket — August 30, 2007
I read where the Israelis told the current admin if your going to upset the balance of power in the middle east attack the main enemy. That was Iran. Israel did not see Saddam, nor Osama, as a threat to them.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:42 pmActually we attacked them on a daily basis - remember our aircraft were flying over their country - not the other way around!
But don’t let the truth stand in the way of those lame excuses!!! BHAAHA, poor little wacko!
Comment by RingoDingo — August 30, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
You seem to be aligning yourself with a dead dictator. Not good company.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“The war may be the biggest mistake in history, but at this point we must stay for the long haul because of the greater problem from the Islamic fundementalist movement. There will be a way out at some point but pulling out now simply because of so called “anti-war†sentiment will only create more problems for us.
Comment by John Sacks — August 30, 2007 @ 5:28 pm”
Why?????
Because we are making headway???? WHERE?
Afganistan just had ANOTHER record popy season!!!!!
Your smoking some good stuff, if you don’t have enough to share you need to leave!
Your party keeps saying the same old thing…….. It will only get worse!!!! YOU HAVE NO PROOF!!!!
The area’s that have improved have been because WE DID LEAVE and the locals chased out the insurgents. Not because the military did a great job, not that they didn’t but it was the Iraqi’s that did it not the US.
So keep spouting the same old line…… “it will be a blood bath if we leave” without ANY PROOF!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:43 pmWhen did Germany ever attack us? We declared war on them twice. You come up with such lame liberal soft balls. One of these days you’ll wake up and realize George Soros owns your brain. That will be a sad day.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pm“Troof. It tells us all we need to know.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:29 pm”
Yet YOU can’t provide ANY evidence to counter the few points I made!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pmr, you selectively answer the questions instead of seeing logic infront of you.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:46 pmThey tried to attack aircraft. About as effective as the Scud missiles.
Comment by Ichthus — August 30, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Being bad at what you do, is no excuse for doing what you do.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:47 pmWhen did Germany ever attack us? We declared war on them twice. You come up with such lame liberal soft balls. One of these days you’ll wake up and realize George Soros owns your brain. That will be a sad day.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Germany attacked our allies, and were allied with Imperial Japan, who did attack us. Perhaps some remedial history at your local CC might do you good.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:48 pmf we were to completely pull out of Iraq today, the vacum left for Iran and Syria would be more dangerous than anyone can imagine today. I am all for pulling back, -Sacks
Murtha wanted to redeploy the troops some time ago and was ridiculed.
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When did Germany ever attack us? We declared war on them twice. You come up with such lame liberal soft balls. One of these days you’ll wake up and realize George Soros owns your brain. That will be a sad day.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Yawn.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:49 pmRingoDingDong trying to rewrite history again. Nice try. Blair will go down in history along side Churchill. George Soros and his followers will go down like the Loyalists did. Instead you won’t be able to go back to a Motherland this time. The UN isn’t accepting refugees for political asylum.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:49 pm“thank goodness someone has the guts to point out what has been obvious since General Betrayus was put in charge: that he was put in charge specifically because he’s just another bush/cheney stooge that toes the party line no matter what the cost in lives and dollars.”
You are 100% correct. How many generals has Bush run through at this point. I’m pretty sure it’s more than 10. Bush listens to his Generals and when they don’t say what he wants to hear, they all of a sudden retire.
Except for a couple who gave up their military careers so that they could tell the truth. Now that’s my idea of a true hero.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:51 pmBeing bad at what you do, is no excuse for doing what you do.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
The reason for the invasion was WMD, not pot shots at aircraft.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:52 pm————
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Time to hang it up Ellen Tauscher!
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August 30th, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
I though you were gonna post facts?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWhen did Germany ever attack us? We declared war on them twice.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007
You have got to kidding me. You didn’t know Germany declared war against the U.S. in 1941? Really?
People, don’t even bother with this illiterate fool.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:53 pmr, you selectively answer the questions instead of seeing logic infront of you.
Comment by Hellinabucket — August 30, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Hellinaboxofflatrocks,
I responded to this:
To all the trolls,
Please, once and for all try to understand this. We don’t hate the troops, we don’t hate America.
We think that it was a terrible idea to invade a country that did not invade us. We think it was bad to kill tens if not hundreds of thousands of people who did not attack us. The majority of our coountry agrees with us, and the rest of the world overwhelmingly does also.
So either respond to our position and please tell us why you think it is OK to kill people who did not attack us, or STFU.
Comment by bg — August 30, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
If you point out – like I did – that we were in fact being attacked by “themâ€, then that answers the question.
“why you think it is OK to kill people who did not attack usâ€
Because they DID!
Should I be seeing more logic in front of me?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — August 30, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
This is getting silly. Japan attacked us. Japan and Germany were allies. We joined our allies fighting a war already in progress against Japan AND Germany. Not to mention the silly little concentration camp issue and a international consent that it was bad.
There was NOT international consent for invading Iraq. In fact, 12 out of 15 nations on the UN security counsel were against it. Keep making those straw men.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pmBecause they DID!
Should I be seeing more logic in front of me?
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
You mean Iraq was behind 9/11? For some reason, that doesn’t sound right. I thought there was something about Saudia Arabia (an ally) and Al Qaeda involved.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThat’s what happens when women spend their lives trying to live like men. -bilbo jones
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