Video: Bloggers and activists on FISA.
By on Aug 30th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Video: Bloggers and activists on FISA.
Yesterday, the Center for American Progress hosted an event examining the recent amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. One panel, moderated by ThinkProgress editor Faiz Shakir, featured prominent bloggers and activists who have led the campaign to rein in the administration’s quest for expansive powers. If you missed it, you can now watch the video HERE. Also, check out more coverage of the event in today’s Washington Post.
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Ya think that session was captured ten ways from Sunday by the CIA, FBI, NSA and Darth’s mp3 player?
August 30th, 2007 at 4:53 pmAnytime progressive screwballs “come together” for an “event” (read: panel to stir up more paranoia among their conspiracy-minded progtards) that discusses FISA, Bush and “domestic spying,” you know you’ll get nothing but baseless allegations and more fear mongering by progressives. I bet the panel moderated by Shakir featured bloggers and activists who were so mentally ill that they would’ve been laughed off the pages of even the MSM (liberals) due to their fanatical conspiracy theory. These progressive psychos on this panel were of the opinion that the US shouldn’t do careful and selective surveillance on Americans who have proven ties or are talking to Al-Qaeda members. Furthermore, these progtards on the panel also were of the misjudging opinion that Bush shouldn’t even have the authority to wiretap individual overseas without FISA approval, a backslide from current laws! This panel was nothing but a psycho one which put the theoretical “violation” of civil liberties over curbing terrorists.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:00 pmCIA, FBI, NSA and Darth’s mp3 player?
Comment by upside00
Don’t forget KKKarl and his new i-Phone…
August 30th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThanks Faiz.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:03 pmComment by Bloggersareparanoidprogressives — August 30, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
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Realize that the next president WILL be a democrat. You are pushing to make sure he/she can listen in on your calls, read your mail, etc. Why do republicans hate the 4th amendment?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pmWe also need to get activated on http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57296this:
very serious….
this starts Sat, Sept 1,…..hard to find this article…. one has to wonder did the Craig Scandal break to cover up this event.
Mexican rigs ready to roll
Truckers in ‘demonstration’ expected on roads Sept. 1
Posted: August 24, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
The requirements for the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Mexican Truck Demonstration Project have been met, and some 37 Mexican trucking companies have been approved to run their long-haul rigs through the U.S. starting as early as Sept. 1, according to a Mexican government report.
In the United States, the inspector general of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration on Aug. 6 issued to the House and Senate Appropriations Committee an audit about implementing NAFTA’s cross-border trucking provisions, the last hurdle DOT faced before allowing the Mexican truck demonstration project to begin.
As required by Congress, the report was withheld from public release until August 21 – 15 days after being delivered to Congress.
At that point, industry commentators instantly noted that the FMCSA inspector general requested that additional improvements be made in two areas: to improve the quality of the data used to monitor Mexican commercial driver traffic convictions in the United States and to ensure adequate capacity to inspect Mexican buses.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:09 pmOne bad thing about dial-up is these things take too long yo download, so I miss many of them.
Heck they can’t even catch the plethora of phreakers and hackers running around the net/phone systems stealing peoples data.
And thats why I dont worry about FISA.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:10 pmComment by Bloggersareparanoidprogressives — August 30, 2007
Bwahaha. Your forgetting the military side of SIGINT. Your posts are the silliest conspiracy laden things I have probably ever read. Projection upon Projection upon Projection with never a link to baqk up ANY of your meandering squabble.
Now go back to yout MUFON site and spread your buffoonery.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmRealize that the next president WILL be a democrat. You are pushing to make sure he/she can listen in on your calls, read your mail, etc. Why do republicans hate the 4th amendment?
Comment by Chris L — August 30, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
But of course, we won’t hear ANY complaints about abuse of power, trampling their rights, fear of losing their unregistered guns, etc.
Glad they will be so reasonable, because it will be a LOOONG 8 years for them, heh heh.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmComment by had enough — August 30, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
August 30th, 2007 at 5:15 pmUnderstand, but off topic. I just got off the phone with Feinstein’s office.
Mexican truckers may pick-up international loads after arriving with a load to a city in the U.S. But, no one can stop them from picking up a load and going to another city. There will be a war on our interstates and we all are in danger as that fight escalates.
Comment by Bloggersareparanoidprogressives
The only paranoids based on legislation and adminstrative directive are the republicans.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:17 pmComment by had enough — August 30, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
These trucks are horribly maintained, look for an increase in fatal accident involving these trucks/drivers.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by Bloggersareparanoidprogressives — August 30, 2007
What good does all this information do if the PDB’s are ignored?
You know the flashing red lights, planes into buildings?
As for the Iraq intel, which was set up for congress to review in a secured area, only six of them actually read it. Six!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThese trucks are horribly maintained, look for an increase in fatal accident involving these trucks/drivers.
Comment by Ichthus — August 30, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
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This is my biggest concern about this issue. Personally, I have very controversial beliefs in regards to illegal immigration. I personally feel we should completely remove the border patrol and open the border. We could then handle immigration from a completely different standpoint, but that is a discussion for another time. However, Mexico has completely different safety issues than America, and that is my concern.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pm10 leftcoast
Ed Shultz has been talking about this on most of his show…. if this is allowed to go through, we are all screwed….even republicans will most likely join us in protesting this sneaky outsourcing. This will surely ruin our country forever.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pmThanks, I will check it out if I have trouble falling asleep.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pmHowever, Mexico has completely different safety issues than America, and that is my concern.
Comment by Chris L — August 30, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
And just one more example of the BushCo Corporatists selling their souls to Big Business! Not only will we lose a lot of trucking and ancillary maintenance jobs… we will be killing Americans on our highways.
But the Repug trolls here don’t care, because they don’t have driver’s licenses anyway. Mom handles all the errands for them.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:26 pmComment by upside00 — August 30, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
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To be fair, this is part of NAFTA, which was created by Clinton. Bush created its ugly cousin, CAFTA. You are right, though, in that we will lose a number of jobs, and that it will be a considerable and unnecessary safety risk.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pmEd Shultz’a show is still on http://www.620kpoj.com/main.html
August 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pmand he is still on the issue.
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Ed Shultz’a show is still on http://www.620kpoj.com/main.html
and he is still on the issue.
Comment by had enough — August 30, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
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Thank you very much for the link. I’m listening now!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThe only democratic candidate that proposes to eliminate NAFTA is Kucicich… maybe Edwards to a point. My gut says if Kucinich appears to be a lead in the polls he will be offed off. No question. These one world order, multinational corporate thugs are running the show. When are we going to stand up? Mexican trucks would be a danger to the public, but the worst part is, if this outsourcing is allowed to go through we are screwed economically. Where is the MSM on this?
August 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWhere is the MSM on this?
Comment by had enough — August 30, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
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I have wondered the same.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:46 pmChris L: The braindead sycophantic mainstream media doesn’t “get” that they’re becoming extinct by their selective airing of critical issues. No one trusts what they hear any longer unless they get it first from the internet.
I think I’ve answered my own and your question on this right now – they’re not covering it because they see the handwriting on the wall – that the blogosphere is eclipsing the MSM by an alarming rate and with lightning speed. They may still be doing the same thing but they’ve become a ghost of their former selves who haven’t recognized that in all actuality, they’re already extinct.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:50 pmChris L
August 30th, 2007 at 5:50 pmjust a few minutes left in his show… some callers are talking about Craig. But just before I posted the link, a caller claimed if the Mexican truckers are allowed to cross our borders, we would see violence…. it is the nature in the trucking industry… we may even see bombs.
Essentially, the “non coverage” of this seismic event is precisely “why” they’ve become irrelevant. Not covering something this timely and relevant only shows their level of ignorance for what it is. It’s like the tail wagging the dog.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:51 pmRepublicans have much to be paranoid about. They’ve been living in glass houses and throwing stones at Dems for too long. Now their houses of cards are coming tumbling down. Too bad/too sad – next!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:52 pmBTW, mucho kudos to Faiz!! Good work as always, Faiz!
August 30th, 2007 at 5:53 pmHey TP, where’s the posting on this important news:
“On Wednesday, the Federal Election Commission slapped America Coming Together with a $775,000 fine — the third-largest such penalty in history — for violating campaign-finance laws in the 2004 election. ”
Oh that’s right, as long it’s for the right cause violating campaign laws is not really a big deal.
All the crap I read about Repubs trying to steal elections is just that– crap. The only REAL examples of that kind of behavior are coming from the Dems.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pmVeritas- how are you? Have not been here for awhile.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:55 pmRebulicans are becoming the party of religicrit.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:56 pmHas anyone grown tired of the coverage of Larry Craig? Yes, he’s down and soon to be out, but the so called news networks have left the important stories out for two days and are going with the purilent; Americans news pabullum.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:59 pm#
Has anyone grown tired of the coverage of Larry Craig? Yes, he’s down and soon to be out, but the so called news networks have left the important stories out for two days and are going with the purilent; Americans news pabullum.
Comment by leftcoast — August 30, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
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Agreed. The Craig story is a non-story anyway. He has already gone to court, plead guilty, and been convicted. Everything else is just conjecture.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:03 pmComment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
August 30th, 2007 at 6:03 pmOh, come on. Both sides have been trying to steal elections for nearly as long as this nation’s existence. I will always want people prosecuted for violations of election laws no matter their party.
Comment by Chris L — August 30, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
August 30th, 2007 at 6:06 pmExactly. Let this die here on the vine. Craig has been vitriolic about Clinton and other dems, but we should seek a bit higher place. CNN needs to find another story today.
leftcoast
So agree. Rove’s resignation and the hidden event of Mexican truckers crossing the border Saturday, Sept 1, is well hidden. Isn’t this business as usual with MSM?
August 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pmApparently, TP has no other stories to report today. I have not seen a new post from them in over an hour.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:08 pmComment by had enough-
August 30th, 2007 at 6:09 pmYeah, this has been a selective news day from the networks.
Since we are the only ones here. Where are you at?
August 30th, 2007 at 6:10 pm#
Apparently, TP has no other stories to report today. I have not seen a new post from them in over an hour.
Comment by leftcoast — August 30, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
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I would love for TP to run a thread on the Mexican trucker story.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pm#
Since we are the only ones here. Where are you at?
Comment by leftcoast — August 30, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
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Salt Lake City, Utah
August 30th, 2007 at 6:13 pmSalt Lake City, Utah
Comment by Chris L
San Diego, CA
August 30th, 2007 at 6:19 pmApparently, TP has no other stories to report today. I have not seen a new post from them in over an hour.
Comment by leftcoast
Scroll back a few threads, there is a short header notifying they are “on the road” today….. no amplification…
(waving at truckers?)
August 30th, 2007 at 6:20 pmChris L- I think we will see quite alot on the Mexican trucker story very soon. Trucking is the last bastien of the old west. Watch the old west come alive, I think.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmComment by Raven -
August 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pmOh, OK. They may want to banner that.
Oh, OK. They may want to banner that.
On the overpasses?
August 30th, 2007 at 6:34 pmChris L- I think we will see quite alot on the Mexican trucker story very soon. Trucking is the last bastien of the old west. Watch the old west come alive, I think.
Comment by leftcoast —
This may be big, even start the revolution. For sure the trucking industry is huge and they are not going to stand for their jobs being outsourced, their income being downsized…
August 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pmHope Mike Malloy talks about this.
y r u stoopid?
Comment by Ravin’ — August 30, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Shut up Mr Pee, you pointless fool.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:23 pmAll the crap I read about Repubs trying to steal elections is just that– crap. The only REAL examples of that kind of behavior are coming from the Dems.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 30, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
And you conveniently overlooked the same judgment agains the Swift Boat liars. Hypocrite.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:32 pmAll the crap I read about Repubs trying to steal elections is just that– crap. The only REAL examples of that kind of behavior are coming from the Dems. Comment by Cynicon Implant
So what is the reason for politicizing the justice dept if what you say is true? Or Caging votes? Why is this necessary?
August 30th, 2007 at 7:36 pmYou misunderstand CImplant, I do not argue that Repubs tried to hack these machines, but they are weak, being windows based and could be used by either party, or nefarious group, to alter the outcome of elections.
Abstract This paper presents a fully independent security study of a Diebold AccuVote-TS voting machine, including its hardware and software. …
August 30th, 2007 at 7:39 pmitpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/
The full research paper [PDF] can be found here.
http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/audit07full.pdf
All the crap I read about Repubs trying to steal elections is just that– crap. The only REAL examples of that kind of behavior are coming from the Dems.
Comment by Cynicon Implant
You overlook Rove’s sole function in life.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:39 pmPlease take the time and read the study Cynicon.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:39 pmI am assuming everyone here in this blog is for getting FISA law rewritten to deal with today’s terrorist threats. Right?
August 30th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThe only REAL examples of that kind of behavior are coming from the Dems. Comment by Cynicon Implant
Please provide a link or other data to back up your assertion.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:41 pmHey, Faiz,
Did you meet anybody there who knows how to set up site registration?
August 30th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI am assuming everyone here in this blog is for getting FISA law rewritten to deal with today’s terrorist threats. Right?
Comment by Tracy — August 30, 2007
You assume.
Did you know that abledanger, a SIGINT program identified several of the hijackers? The biggest threat today, to me. to our country is not SIGINT wise but porous border wise. SIGINT only catches electronically sent data and not other means.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 30, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
I dont think they need it Wayne, I mean, we kicked ass without it and I cant but help wonder if it was because people here are so good at defusing the talking points generated.
But this is just my opinion.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:48 pmComment by Chris L — August 30, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
I’m obviously not as paranoid as you.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:49 pmComment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
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So you had no problems with the echelon project under Clinton? You have no problems with degrading the fourth amendment? OK. That is understandable. But, the next time that congress requests that a republican hand over any email, phone records, letters, etc., the republican should immediately do so.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:52 pmI’m obviously not as paranoid as you.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007
Do you know who is connected to your computer right now?
Just asking.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:53 pmDo you know who is connected to your computer right now?
Just asking.
Comment by Ichthus — August 30, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
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I love how republicans fight like hell to support the 2nd amendment (which I am all for by the way), but are perfectly willing to give up the 4th.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:56 pmSorry, not trying to make you paranoid r, but can you tell me all of your computers current connections? Do you want people knowing everything you do on the internet?
I love how republicans fight like hell to support the 2nd amendment (which I am all for by the way), but are perfectly willing to give up the 4th. -Chris
Well, Chris, without going into a long diatribe about these things, I agree for the most part of what you posted.
August 30th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI guess r doesn’t know whos connected to his/her computer, I hope I didn’t make him/her paranoid
August 30th, 2007 at 8:04 pm#2
August 30th, 2007 at 8:10 pmDude you nailed this thread! You own it baby lock, stock, and barrel.
All the crap I read about Repubs trying to steal elections is just that– crap. The only REAL examples of that kind of behavior are coming from the Dems.
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August 30th, 2007 at 8:12 pmMost convicts vote Democratic and often.
Remember Al the Goracle in Florida wanting to recount certain precincts:)
August 30th, 2007 at 8:14 pmTP should hire you to write posts!
You’re great!
Comment by Ravin’
Flock off
August 30th, 2007 at 8:36 pmAnd, just in case you missed this one from earlier today,
mr.P,
let me rerun it fer ya:
What do you call an infant being raised by Republicans?
heYYYYYooooOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoooo!
August 30th, 2007 at 8:50 pmAugust 30th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
chirp, chirp… Kaaaaa! Kaaaaaa! Kaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Comment by Mr. President — August 30, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Caca? Did you soil yourself again, Mr PeePee?
You know, if you went out and got a job, you could afford a supply of Depends.
August 30th, 2007 at 9:03 pmI’m obviously not as paranoid as you.
Sorry to all of you who tried to scare me about who was looking up my electronic skirt. I was away from the intrusion machine.
But no, I don’t worry about it.
August 30th, 2007 at 9:18 pm“…my electronic skirt.”
Comment by r —
The one on your inflatable?
August 30th, 2007 at 9:21 pmI am assuming everyone here in this blog is for getting FISA law rewritten to deal with today’s terrorist threats. Right?
Comment by Tracy — August 30, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
By here, do you mean Berlin? Or Moscow? You certainlky don’t mean the USA, do you. Are you a terrorist? You don’t sound like a patriotic American when you propose destroying Constitutional rights because of your cowardice. No real American substitutes a police state for freedom and the courage to defend it.
August 30th, 2007 at 9:23 pmYou’d better watch out or I’ll have you and 3 and 20 of your buddies baked in a pie!!!
nyah, uh,… are you threatening me?
August 30th, 2007 at 9:36 pmI’m obviously not as paranoid as you. Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
That’s what all of the paranoid lunatics say…
Sorry to all of you who tried to scare me about who was looking up my electronic skirt. I was away from the intrusion machine. Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
You mean the bathroom stall?
But no, I don’t worry about it.
Comment by r — August 30, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
But dateline msnbc on the otherhand you live in constant fear of…
August 31st, 2007 at 3:04 am#56
Comment by Ichthus — August 30, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
“You assume.”
So you don’t think its necessary to revamp the law and make it more responsive and streamlined?
Yes I know that the burecratic BS didn’t allow the FBI to commmunicate with the DOD.
“Did you know that abledanger, a SIGINT program identified several of the hijackers?”
BTW the Senate Intelligence Committee said that was unfounded and untrue, but I think it probably was true. Yes I also know that the burecratic BS didn’t allow the FBI to commmunicate with the DOD in order for them to act and stop Atta and his thugs.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:01 am#73
Comment by ronjazz — August 30, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
“You certainlky don’t mean the USA, do you.”
I am not talking about doing away with it dummy. I am talking about streamlining it and making it more efficient and effective and most importantly how to deal with domestic surveillance activities that ARE necessary in order to combat groups like al Qaeda. This law was written 30 years ago and need to be overhauled….like many of our laws do.
“You don’t sound like a patriotic American when you propose destroying Constitutional rights because of your cowardice.”
What constitutional rights am I talking about destroying…specifically?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:11 am