U.S. Troops Given Misleading, Inaccurate Bios Of Democratic Lawmakers Visiting Iraq
U.S. Troops Given Misleading, Inaccurate Bios Of Democratic Lawmakers Visiting Iraq
This morning, the Washington Post has a story on how lawmakers are being “slimed in the Green Zone” when they travel to Iraq for congressional delegation trips. Reps. James Moran (D-VA), Jon Porter (R-NV), and Ellen Tauscher (D-CA) recently returned from such a trip. While there, Tauscher and Moran noticed sheets of paper that “seemed to be everywhere” in the Green Zone, “distributed to Iraqi officials, U.S. officials and uniformed military of no particular rank.”
The sheets of papers were short, thumbnail biographies of the two lawmakers. ThinkProgress has obtained copies of the bios for Moran and Tauscher. Instead of receiving the official bios readily available on the congressional websites, the U.S. troops were given new ones that cherry-pick the representatives’ “most incendiary” statements:
The bios also either ignore or completely misrepresent the lawmakers’ records. The Washington Post notes:
Under “latest Iraq vote,” Tauscher’s bio noted that she had voted in favor of legislation requiring the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq within 120 days of the bill’s enactment.
She did vote that way — in May. On Aug. 2, Tauscher voted in favor of her own bill, which mandates that troops be granted a leave from combat at least as long as their last combat deployment before being shipped back to Iraq. That vote might have been a little too popular with the soldiers she was meeting, Tauscher said.
Moran’s bio says that he “[v]oted NO on legislation requiring the withdrawal of U S troops from Iraq within 120 days of the bill’s enactment.” In reality, Moran voted “yes.” He also voted for Tauscher’s dwell-time legislation.
When Porter learned about his colleagues’ rap sheets, he stated, “I had never seen that in the past. That’s new. Now I want to see what they’re saying about me.”
ThinkProgress spoke with one of the delegation’s military escorts, Maj. Toby Patterson, who said that he didn’t know who made the bios or why they were created in the first place. He added that his office, the Marine Corps liaison for the U.S. House of Representatives, usually just uses lawmakers’ readily-available bios off of congressionalquarterly.com.
UPDATE: ThinkProgress has confirmed that the bios are prepared by the Strategic Effects (STRATEFF) office of MNF-I.
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As if this is anything different than what is posted on ThinkProgress EVERY day?
August 31st, 2007 at 9:48 amAs if this is anything different than what is posted on ThinkProgress EVERY day?
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 9:48 am
Want to provide some proof with that rant sandwich?
August 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amThe powers that be told us to do this. We don't want no truth tellers over in Iraq telling our soldiers what we dont want them to know. If you want to tell the truth, do it some place in the South Pacific. NOT here or in Iraq!
August 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amThe right lies through their teeth and they are corrupting our military like they have corrupted Congress with sickos like Larry Craig, Mark Foley, and Diaperman Vitter.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:51 am"As if this is anything different than what is posted on ThinkProgress EVERY day?
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 9:48 am"
There is a HUGE difference Flaky Jake.......
One is a LIE and the other is the TRUTH!!!!
Of course YOU don't know which one is the truth, and will consider these flyers as being the truth......
August 31st, 2007 at 9:52 amWhat else is new? Is anyone surprised?
August 31st, 2007 at 9:52 amSounds like a borderline Hatch Act violation to me...
August 31st, 2007 at 9:53 amMust be the same folks that provided the Tillman family with the information on their dead son. The Repigs have NO SHAME!!! But we have known that for a LOOOONG time!
August 31st, 2007 at 9:53 amDeath by Powerpoint
August 31st, 2007 at 9:54 amI wonder if this would be an accurate bio:
"Harry Reid shows how utterly pathetic and feckless he is through his rapidly softening stance on the war."
Heh, the dem-controlled houses are rapidly devolving into a circus.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:56 amSee, it's the pukes who think the soldiers are stupid. Stupid enough to buy their lies. Use the soldiers as political pawns to further their deadly agenda.
Despicable! Our soldiers are wise to the games, chickenhawks! Bring them home!
August 31st, 2007 at 9:56 amWhy do you people automatically blame 'the right'?? So much unnecessary hatred.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:56 amIf the military intelligence had the desire to find out who is printing the
August 31st, 2007 at 9:57 ambroadsheets it would be an easy task since all modern color printers
leave a unique secret watermark:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php
http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/10/19/eff-decodes-printertrackingdots/
Bring them home!
Yes Harry Reid, bring them home. Or not...whatever you prefer day to day.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:58 amThe propaganda is everywhere. This administration will go down in history as the greatest propaganda machine in the history of our country.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:59 amHmmm -- it looks like the troops are being given their own version of a dog and pony show. But I don't understand. This administration has been all about not destroying the troops' morale with negativity and not engaging in talk that would undermine their mission.
So why shove propaganda at the soldiers telling them that lawmakers back home have no support for what they're doing? Especially when bios are tweaked to paint them that way?
This makes no sense, unless the Bush administration has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:59 amSure, upside00. Just in the previous thread, ThinkProgress listed David Dreier as a DEFEATOCRAT!!!
August 31st, 2007 at 10:00 am"printing" them is one thing...
what needs known is, who WROTE those bios...
and how many others?
shouldn't be too hard to find that out... isn't there an actual
August 31st, 2007 at 10:00 ampropoganda office for iraq?
...
Unbelievable. Just when you think this administration can't sink any lower, they're caught lying to our troops about the very people who are most interested in getting them out of harm's way.
No wonder the military tends to vote Republican..with the near-total control over information that this administration can (and evidently does) wield over the troops, how can they possibly make an informed decision?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:00 amWhy do you people automatically blame ‘the right’?? So much unnecessary hatred.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Because the civilian administration of the Pentagon who arranges CODELs consists of partisan political appointees. Hence, "the right."
August 31st, 2007 at 10:01 amThese flyers could have been an "innocent mistake" as well . . .
August 31st, 2007 at 10:02 amYou people are absurd, and just as bad as any hardcore Conservative you so desperately hate. Your strategy and philosophy seems to be blame everything on the right. Something bad happened? Oh, it was those damn 'repukes' (real clever). Something good happened? Thank goodness those democrats are around!
August 31st, 2007 at 10:02 am"Why do you people automatically blame ‘the right’?? So much unnecessary hatred.
Comment by François"
So you think it was someone from the left that distributed those misleading bios? I disagree with you. The hatred is necessary. It is necessary because as long as we sit back and ignore all the lying and hypocracy heaped on us by the right, this country sinks further and further into a fascist state and our beloved constitution is shredded.
We need the hatred to fuel the fires of change. I will admit it, I hate each and every one of you reptard idiots who think nothing about trashing our constitution, our rule of law and our military.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:03 am"Why do you people automatically blame ‘the right’?? So much unnecessary hatred."
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Frankie-
August 31st, 2007 at 10:03 amMaybe it's their horrendous track record. A seemingly uncontrolable penchance for misleading, war mongering and feeding the war machine for the sole benefit of their big business buddies? Do you honestly think the Right gived a sh@t about Iraqi civilians, the troops or peace? The strategy of this Administration is to move the goal posts and stall, stall, stall. When that doesn't work (nothing they've tried so far has) just make up your own facts. THAT's why we blame the right!
#11
Why do you people automatically blame ‘the right’?? So much unnecessary hatred.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Did you just awaken from a decade long coma Francois? If that's not the case then you have to be either kidding, or you're the stupidest a$$klown to troll this site in a long, long time.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:03 amYou guys are certainly right -- Think Progress NEVER "cherry-picks the 'most incendiary' statements" ever ; )
August 31st, 2007 at 10:03 amGee, Frances. What do you think happened? It was some Democratic group working out of Baghdad that printed lies about their own representatives? How did that happen?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:03 amAnyway you look at it, democrats are still the party of defeat.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:04 amNowhere in the fliers does it mention Dems attempts at improving conditions at Walter Reid or blocked attempts by the right to give our soldiers a raise and more time between re-deployments.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:05 am"These flyers could have been an “innocent mistake†as well . . .
Comment by Jake D."
That is without a doubt the most inane comment I have ever read on this site. Sure, it was an "innocent mistake" that someone distributed fliers that only mentioned the votes that the Bush Administration thought would upset the troops.
Jake, if you really are 75, somehow your intelligence never progressed beyond the level of a 12 year old. It must be tough being you.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:05 amFrançois sez:
Because we've found that this corrupt and criminal administration is guilty of so many misdeeds, that it's less time-consuming to simply assume guilt of any subsequent malfeasances, and confirm the details later.
Saves a lot of time, and, sadly, it hasn't missed yet.
"Anger" would be more accurate, and as for "unnecessary", you couldn't be more wrong. This criminal junta that has hijacked our government is everything the founding Fathers fought so hard to liberate us from. If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:06 amJake: "They never report the good news." Want some cheese with that whine?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:06 amDeceit, misdirection, dirty tricks, yup, the Administration's living down to my expectations. Once more this Administration proves, the buck stops somewhere else. They can't accept the fact that they failed the troops and the nation, so somebody else has to take the blame. The truly sad thing is that no matter how it gets twisted, the truth will come out eventually. This is just one more example of George W's legacy of failure. Hopefully he'll stop trying to top himself, but that's just a hope.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:08 amImpeach Bush and Cheney and Save the Constitution.
Hahah, that sure got you guys going!
It doesn't matter the topic, anything bad that happens is the rights fault. I'm a liberal, but I can see that not everything is caused by conservatives. Most of these democrats in office are just as full of shit, but because they're 'on your side' you'll see past that and have faith in them. Politicians are just that, politicians, and nothing more. Take them for what they are.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:08 amDo you honestly think the Right gived a sh@t about Iraqi civilians, the troops or peace?
Right, and we are supposed to "honestly" believe the lefties do?
Youre the ones willing to run like hell from Iraq and leave the Iraqis to a civil war managed from Iran, that is your latest talking point is it not, that we need to get out of the middle of the Iraqi civil war?
Iraqis are simply convenient political tools for the left, obviously, since you never EVER bother to mention Afghanistan and our occupation of that country.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amGood point, Francois -- that is why I am registered Independent.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amYou people are absurd, and just as bad as any hardcore Conservative you so desperately hate. Your strategy and philosophy seems to be blame everything on the right. Something bad happened? Oh, it was those damn ‘repukes’ (real clever). Something good happened? Thank goodness those democrats are around!
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Frenchy, you're a shit.
Anyway you look at it, democrats are still the party of defeat.
Comment by veritas — August 31, 2007 @ 10:04 am
Thanks for '06, and for '08, '10, '12, '14, '16, '18, and far into the future. the GOP is done, we're holding the funeral 1/09/08. The world will celebrate its liberation from the modern-day Nazi party, and await the trials at the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity, engaged in by the Bush crime syndicate.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amSure, upside00. Just in the previous thread, ThinkProgress listed David Dreier as a DEFEATOCRAT!!!
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 10:00 am
And your point is .....? They corrected it when they found out it was wrong. Besides, that guy was an a$$Wipe, so they didn;t do that on purpose, like all the "mistakes" made at Faux identifying all the (R) perverts and slimeballs (D). Better pick a better argument than that one, Jake.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amIf you can't make the distinction, why post here? You need to find something mindless to do - you're well suited for it.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amIt doesn’t matter the topic, anything bad that happens is the rights fault. I’m a liberal, but I can see that not everything is caused by conservatives. Most of these democrats in office are just as full of shit, but because they’re ‘on your side’ you’ll see past that and have faith in them. Politicians are just that, politicians, and nothing more. Take them for what they are.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:08 am
You're not a liberal, Frenchy. You're a shit, as I pointed out above.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:12 amFrançois
When flyers are spread around troops barracks falsifying the voting records of Democrats in order to make them look bad, damn straight we blame the right.
Of course, common sense may not be your strong suit.
Oh, and while we are on the subject, isn't it interesting that one of the lies designed to discredit these Democrats has to do with troop withdrawals?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:12 amThanks for ‘06, and for ‘08, ‘10, ‘12, ‘14, ‘16, ‘18, and far into the future. the GOP is done, we’re holding the funeral 1/09/08.
Comment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007 @ 10:10 am
January 9th of next year? Is that the new Michigan primary date or what?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:13 amI’m a liberal
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:08 am
I don't believe you.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:13 amIt seems EVERYTHING these un-American, right-wing corporate puppets do is supported by lies and distortions of the truth. I'm just amazed at all the gullible morons that still buy into all of it- without question.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:14 amI see mr. p is name-jacking again, this time with veritas. Wish he/she would get a new schtick, this one is getting old.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:14 amFrancois, is it acceptable to you that there is an effort within the Green Zone to spread lies about the very representatives that are taking the hardest look at Iraq?
Should all "good" liberals just accept this as how the other side plays and that's that?
It's no making of a mountain out of a moehill. It's confronting lies whenever they happen.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:14 amI'm "a shit"? haha, more like THE shit! Oh damn frenchy! I sure told you!
Deny it all you want, what I said was true. You'll follow the democrats no matter what the issue. Keep following hughjazz, you sheep.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:15 amI’m a liberal, but I can see that not everything is caused by conservatives. Most of these democrats in office are just as full of shit, but because they’re ‘on your side’ you’ll see past that and have faith in them. Politicians are just that, politicians, and nothing more. Take them for what they are.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:08 am
You're right - Democrats are just as much to blame as Republicans for the partisanship and dirty politicking that has become the discourse in Washington. I'll grant you that. But when an executive branch agency in a Republican administration does something particularly slimy like this, it's perfectly logical to place the lion's share of the blame on the right, isn't it?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:16 amupside00:
You asked a question, and I gave you just the MOST RECENT example. If you really think that Think Progress does not "cherry-pick" the most incindiary parts and "spin" the rest, them no amount of links to that will convince you otherwise.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:16 amFrançois sez:
I'd point out that your statement is inaccurate in regards to myself, but I'm sure you would then claim that your statement wasn't directed at me personally, but at the nebulous mass of TP liberals.
I'm going to preemptively call bullshit on that one. If you have a beef with people here vilifying the right while simultaneously praising the left, be specific. Name names...preferably someone who's available to debate you on the topic. Otherwise, your assertions are so much hot air.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:16 am"Francois" a liberal? Hah! Probably goes to right-wing web sites using that French name and riles them up there claiming to be a liberal. I'll bet this person gets some weird kick out of riling people up wherever he goes.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:17 amYou guys are certainly right — Think Progress NEVER “cherry-picks the ‘most incendiary’ statements†ever ; )
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 10:03 am
The Center for American Progress is a private political action organization. It has and is entitled to an agenda.
The federal government and the military are not private political organizations. So if they are smearing publicly elected officials to sway the troops' opinion, that would be illegal and immoral.
Apples to oranges. Dumbass.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:17 amWe used to have a better class of trolls around here.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:17 amThanks for ‘06, and for ‘08, ‘10, ‘12, ‘14, ‘16, ‘18, and far into the future. the GOP is done, we’re holding the funeral 1/09/08.
Hehe, youre forgetting who the DFL nominee will be next year, Hillary Clinton and her 50% disapproval rating.
The most polarizing figure in the DFL will put herself on the ticket and drive away just about everybody, including democrats on this very site who arent willing to admit it.
You dont have to like it, you do have to accept it.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:18 amWe used to have a better class of trolls around here.
Comment by troqua — August 31, 2007 @ 10:17 am
I know what you mean, the libs who come here now are vacuous and inane, not like the old days.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:19 amHah, I don't care if you believe me or not; I couldn't care less! I'm liberal, have been a strong opponent of bush and his war before it started. Shit, I was against going into Afghanistan.
Is it OK that 'propaganda' is being spread? Absolutely not. My point is, that most people here are either so extreme left that they'll blame all bad things on the right, or they're so extreme right that they'll blame everything on the left. It's absurd, and unrealistic to live and think that way. Yes, the bush administration is terrible, and they've handled this war in a terrible way. But come on, open your eyes and see that both the democrats you love so much, and the republicans you hate are responsible.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:21 am"I’m a liberal, but I can see that not everything is caused by conservatives."
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:08 am
Frankie-
August 31st, 2007 at 10:23 amWhat, in the last six years have the Dems done that could possibly compare to the wanton misuse of power, degradation of human rights, obstructionism and politicization of EVERY branch of government? Anything?
Agreed, all politicians want their share of the pie and more but you can't compare "business as usual" with what these slobs have done to our country. Waisted surplus, biggest debt of any administration, DEEP corruption at every level from voter caging, the DOJ, unwarrented attack on country that posed no threat, while IGNORING the true terror of al queda, a stacked Supreme Court that cares more about overturning progress made to protect the average citizen to the benefit of big business.
Just a few examples but I see what you mean, the Dems are just as bad. NOT!
You guys are certainly right — Think Progress NEVER “cherry-picks the ‘most incendiary’ statements†ever ; )
Comment by Jake D Fake — August 31, 2007 @ 10:03 am
For the Record, you are certainly right - You would NEVER "cut and paste" someone else's war record, ver batim, ever ;-)
August 31st, 2007 at 10:23 amFrançois
Most of us have expressed major disgust with the Democrats over their caving into the right on the Iraq war, and over their caving in on FISA.
Further, if you look at the breakdown of Congress' polling stats you will find there isn't much difference between the left and the right on how highly they don't approve of Congress.
Of course, keep the blinders on, keep on claiming that liberals blame everything on the Conservatives and never, ever question the idea that maybe, just maybe, the party that held absolute power over America for six years should maybe, just maybe be held accountable for the shit they have caused.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:25 amoh, im sure it was just a couple of bad apples!
August 31st, 2007 at 10:25 amWe used to have a better class of trolls around here.
Comment by troqua — August 31, 2007 @ 10:17 am
I don't remember ratwing trolls as being anything but low-class, gullible, profane morons. I must have missed something.
take Jake, for example. Doesn't know the difference between a commercial, political website and the US government. Pretty f*cking stupid.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:25 amWhen flyers are spread around troops barracks falsifying the voting records of Democrats in order to make them look bad, damn straight we blame the right.
Sure, why not blame the right? Its not like you actually KNOW who distributed the flyers so just pick the most convenient target and pin it on them.
Could have been a disgruntled soldier who didnt like the idea of running from the fight, a man who could be a democrat or republican but identifies himself as a soldier before a political affiliation.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:25 amNo one here "loves" the democrats. We simply accept them as the lesser evil.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:26 am(If I inappropriately spoke for any true liberals, I apologize)
I don't understand the disagreement. These bios are clearly biased against the Dems, showing as negative a picture as possible. Who could be motivated to produce such bios? Would the Dems themselves write them to harm their cause? Does that make sense? If not the Dems then who? Did the Iraqis make this up? I understand the point that this site tends to only report stuff that makes the Reps look bad but this isn't a good thread to be making that stand. Often when a Dem goes to Iraq they're condemned for making the trip. Couple that attitude with leaflets like this & you can't help but conclude that the Reps are using propaganda with the Iraqis & troops.
btw, the Reps keep saying that opposition to the war harms the troops and then they go and plaster the country with evidence of opposition to the war by these Dems. Sounds hypocritical to me. Go figure.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:27 amopen your eyes and see that both the democrats you love so much, and the republicans you hate are responsible.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Nice generalization. the left had nothing to do with the matter at hand. The matter at hand is rightwing, antiAmerican propaganda in a "war" zone. Your holier-than-thou phoniness doesn't wash when you conflate irrelevant topics. Like I said, you're a shit. Merde, capiche?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:28 amYou're right TripMaster, that wasn't directed at you, hughjazz is one example that I've seen in my short time here. Her name is so memorable that I've remembered her, but the others are just another person spewing the same old thing over and over. I've actually read your posts the past few days Trip and I agree with a lot of what you say; doesn't change the way I feel about most of these people around here though. I'm liberal, but I'm disgusted with many of the extremists here.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:28 amI'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! During Clinton's presidency Armed Forces radio played hours of the fat boy blasting Bill talk radio bull daily which was balanced by less than five minutes of Jim Hightower.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:29 amFrancois,
I would venture to say that many of the legitimate posters here would enjoy actual debate on the events of the past 6 years. But when someone comes here with the intent of inciting they will be attacked. This is what unfortunately happens with most threads.
Instead of a discussion on the topic itself, it becomes a cutdown contest.
The topic of this thread is someone has made a concerted effort to spread lies about our congressmen/women inside the green zone in Iraq. A decision was made to create and produce these lies and spread them to where the concentrated political minds of Iraq are as well as a sizable portion of our military.
Some people think they need to lie to get what they want and fear losing what they have. All the more on why I will stand up against this.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:30 amtake Jake, for example. Doesn’t know the difference between a commercial, political website and the US government. Pretty f*cking stupid.
Comment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007
I was being snarky and overly generous. Jake is usually spewing over on TPM. Maybe he got banned and now we're stuck with him again.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:30 amI think you mean I'm a piece of shit, not simply 'a shit'.. or I'm the shit. But a shit doesn't work.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:30 amTime to find out who "authored" these slime sheets. No doubt it goes right to the top! This is outrageous tactics by an administration full of corruption, twisted truth, and outright lies. Sickening!
Wake Up, people! These thugs have one full year to destroy this country. Wake up and move for impeachment. They are an embarrassment to the american people.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:31 amI’m liberal, but I’m disgusted with many of the extremists here.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 10:28 am
And guess what, you, or anyone else can actually post here, without registering.
Have you been to "Dredge", Newsmin" or "Redstateless" ? Now, there are some fine examples of unbiased journalism and open forums!
August 31st, 2007 at 10:32 amI wouldn't be suprised if these sheets came from a 3rd party or the private contractors. They have a huge stake in this.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:33 amDave C: Just look to Capitol Hill if you want to locate the authors of this disgustingly biased information. I would venture to guess that if one searched hard and edited the hell out of ANY Republican statements, they could do precisely the same thing.
This is dirty pool and below-the-belt tactics - two of the obviously ONLY options left to anyone supporting the Republican Party - the Party of Corruption, Pedofiles, war profiteeting, and smoke & mirrors.
They're all sickening frauds at this point.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:33 amNo one here “loves†the democrats. We simply accept them as the lesser evil.
(If I inappropriately spoke for any true liberals, I apologize)
Comment by dim wit — August 31, 2007 @ 10:26 am
True liberals support the dems as the lesser of two evils. True libs are mostly registered as Independents, because the Democratic Party has been compromised by the Republican Party's complete sellout to corporate interests, including the media. politicians are not people to be trusted, under any circumstances. The major difference between the Dems and the modern Nazi party GOP is that Dems can, will and do take responsibility for their problems far more often than repukes, who will sweep any perversion or theft or corruption under the rug if they can. I've never seen any liberal defend Jefferson's actions, for instance, beyond the innocent until proven guilty line, but the defense here by ratwing cowards of Bus's lies and incompetence is shrill and unending. Modern Nazis, with their Big Lie and fear-mongering. I'm glad the GOP is finally finished, and I will be glad to bury it completely.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:35 amI wonder what the Orwell Report Fliers said about Senator Wide Stance Larry Craig?
-GSD
August 31st, 2007 at 10:36 amFrancois = concern troll
August 31st, 2007 at 10:39 amI wonder what the Orwell Report Fliers said about Senator Wide Stance Larry Craig?
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 31, 2007 @ 10:36 am
That he was a (D)???? (Just a guess.)
August 31st, 2007 at 10:40 amComment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007 @ 10:35 am
you pickin' a fight with me?
Where's Ringo so we can all mutually agree to hate (or dislike if that is your particular preference) him/her?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:40 amThis is clearly treasonous. Those found responsible should be punished as such.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:42 amWhat's a concern troll?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:42 amSounds like a pretty desperate action by someone. Why would you intentionally harm troop moral, when it is already bad. I realize the need to demonize the dems by some is a knee jerk reaction, but this type of behavior is way out of line.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:43 amRegardless of the corporate status of the "non-partisan" Center for American Progress, I can still point out they do the SAME thing, right? And, whether Think Progress doing it is "illegal" probably turns on whether they are violating 501(c)(3) as well.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:43 amWow. Propaganda about Americans directed at Americans.
Sad in so many ways.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:44 amreb in NC:
"Clearly" treasonous? You'll have to explain what exactly gave "aid and comfort" to the enemy.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:45 amFrançois sez:
From the Wikipedia entry:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:46 am
François
A concern troll is basically someone who claims to be a liberal, and then promptly starts slagging off liberal positions with the argument that those positions aren't politically expedient - or that the person doing the arguing is "an extremist" if they have the least bit of a spine.
So far you look like you are a classic example of this.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:48 amyou pickin’ a fight with me?
Where’s Ringo so we can all mutually agree to hate (or dislike if that is your particular preference) him/her?
Comment by dim wit — August 31, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is. Ignorant fools like Wrongo are mere farts in the wind. And I was, of course, expanding on your cogent and accurate observation from my vastly superior point of view, so that Francois might learn a little something. Fruitless, of course.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:48 amJake D.,
Betraying the country (elected officials in this case) can be portayed as a treasonous act.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:49 amJake D. sez:
Just as soon as you do the same regarding the right's histrionics regarding Harry Reid's recent assessment of the Iraq debacle.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:50 am“Clearly†treasonous? You’ll have to explain what exactly gave “aid and comfort†to the enemy.
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 10:45 am
Demoralizing the troops by lying about their representatives is giving aid to the enemy, Jake. The enemy takes comfort in knowing that the very people that sent troops into hell are against their well-being.
You're a simpleton, aren't you?
August 31st, 2007 at 10:51 amOnly somewhat correct. Usually around here, I'm not supporting traditionally liberal viewpoints. Only in thread this have I let some of my true feelings show through. I'm not pretending to be a liberal so you will listen to me and then let me attempt to show you the error of your ways. That's silly.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:51 amI just don't like hughjazz... usually my views will be the opposite of hers, just to get her panties in a bunch.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:52 amFrançois sez:
Silly, perhaps...but effective, and it happens more than you might think.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:53 amWhy do you people automatically blame ‘the right’?? So much unnecessary hatred.
Comment by François — August 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
I agree, mostly.
As long as people see things in terms of "left" and "right", we will always have strife.
For the original topic... it could have been any soldier with access to a printer. There doesn't have to be a huge "right wing conspiracy" in this case... it's very easy for a passionate E-5, acting out of his/her own free will, to get the ball rolling. If any of you were in Iraq, would you be motivated to inform fellow soldiers of bad things republican senators have done? I suspect some of you would. I believe it's the same thing here.
Of course, I could be wrong :-P.
~Sean
August 31st, 2007 at 10:57 amOkay, now onto the topic:
What does this really mean? Why is it particularly problematic if the Republicans lie to the soldiers on the ground over the political positions of the Republicans' chief opposition?
They are trying to subvert the one aspect of the government which absolutely has to remain neutral, or you risk a dictatorship.
So long as the troops are politically neutral, they cannot be used to directly impose a government on the American people. Once that neutrality has been erased via such propaganda, then all bets are off.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:00 amGood propaganda costs a lot...mostly the lives of Americans. The inSURGEncy is going well.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:01 amThe NERVE?? Including "incendiary statements" actually said by public servants? What?? The statement were falsely attributed?? Were they never made?? Were those statements just cheap political pandering for leftard constituents (never meant for public consumption)? Phonies.......
August 31st, 2007 at 11:02 amSean,
Of course you could be right. But there is a lot of legwork involved in weeding thru a Bio and then distorting it. There is no indication of how long this has gone on. Odds are it is larger than a disgruntled grunt.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:03 amThe continuing politicization of our military by this jerk-off administration. Remember in the early days of the war? Each U.S Marine in Iraq was sent a pamphlet entitled "A Christian's Duty" in which they were asked to make a daily prayer for George Bush and fill out a prayer sheet and send it to the White House where they pledged their allegiance not to the United States but to Bush and his political staff, with such daily subjects as I will "pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics" (i.e. "I will not only obey orders but I will support the political decisions of the President").
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200303/s819685.htm
August 31st, 2007 at 11:05 am#61 Yes, Josh kicked Jake's ass outta TPM!
Everyone was glad as hell he did. There is work to be done and a child like Jake needs to be locked away with a box of dull crayons and [lenty of sharp-edged paper to color on. We have much to fix and these trolls are
more like gnats trying to distract us. Keep up the focus and crank up the action.
I actually wish they would spout their noise openly in public - nothing better than verbally cutting down a fool in front of his/her own peers.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:05 amAnyone else NOT on the "Ignore List" for resorting to personal attacks when I don't and/or refusing to answer my questions when I answered all of their questions?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:06 amYes, Frances is a concern troll. The strategy makes me think RNC (picking a French name was a stupid giveaway). I expect to see more of this kind of thing as Republican strategists are forced to go further underground, along with the "Ron Paul is a progressive" strategy for dividing Democratic voters. The GOP can no longer assemble anything resembling a majority. With only 1/3 of the country backing them, they have to divide and confuse the opposition to have any chance at all.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:09 am#
Good point, Francois — that is why I am registered Independent.
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 10:10 am
You're registered as an Independent only because you lack the courage of your convictions. You've never expressed a single opinion here that wasn't lockstep with the Far Right, so quacking about your "independence" is just noise, Jake.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:10 amAnonTip:
I'm not banned, as I just posted on TPM: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004044.php#comments
August 31st, 2007 at 11:10 amJake D.,
Your self imposed ignore list is a great example of the hands over the ears mentality of the Bush Administration.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:11 amIT kind of says a lot about the Republicans' "Success" over the last six years, that trolls like Jake, who never cease trying to defend the Republicans and who agree with their every action, are ashamed to admit that they are Republicans on a anonymous forum populated by people they don't even like.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:13 amAnyone else?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:14 amFor anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†(the only way to get on said List would be resorting to personal attacks when I don’t and/or refusing to answer my questions when I answered all of your questions), I disagreed with the Bush and the Republicans on campaign finance reform since it clearly violates the First Amendment -- let me know if you want to discuss that or further disagreements -- if not, I would be happy to discuss the TOPIC!!!
August 31st, 2007 at 11:18 amAnyone else NOT on the “Ignore List†for resorting to personal attacks when I don’t and/or refusing to answer my questions when I answered all of their questions?
Comment by Jake D.Military Fake — August 31, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Ummmm, please provide examples of some refusing to answer questions when you answered all of theirs? Specific examples, please, with links.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:19 amOtherwise, you're just spouting hot air. Meaningless hot air!
Jake D. sez:
Translation: Anyone else (that I'm not yet too afraid of to engage)?
No, Shakey, it looks like everyone here is on The List (â„¢). So, you work is done here. Kindly bugger off.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:19 amHelen notes, "Francois, is it acceptable to you that there is an effort within the Green Zone to spread lies about the very representatives that are taking the hardest look at Iraq?"
Were the attributed statements false? (Pssst...the hands over the eyes thing make it difficult to look for info...)
August 31st, 2007 at 11:20 amJake D. sez:
Liar.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:20 amLets not underestimate our troops, folks. To the extent the quotes on these sheets represent truly progressive positions that really support the troops (i.e., bring them home ASAP), don't you think most of the troops would support those positions? After all, they are the ones on the ground there, and I would think most of them actually would like to come home.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:22 ammighty aphrodite
Having problems with your reading comprehension?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:22 amTo me, this sounds like a PAO (Public Affairs Officer) or a Protocol Officer that decided to enter their own view of things. They are the ones tasked with distributing info on visiting dignitaries, after all.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:23 amhacker bob
Then the PAO should be court martialed.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:24 amJake the Liar,
I will ignore you if you ignore me.
Deal?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:24 amThen the PAO should be court martialed.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 11:24 am
While I disagree with their action, under what Article (charge) of the UCMJ would you charge them?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:26 amThe most effective deceit is to tell truths, but only the parts of the whole truth that suit your purpose, and then to arrange these selected truths in such a way that the reader (or listener) will come to the desired conclusion.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:27 amAnd say... is it patriotic for the military to undercut congress?
Bob Hack and Bruce G. - "This sounds like"?????? "PAO should be court martialed"????? While you're busy leaping to conclusions, make sure the the libtard safety net is in place.......
August 31st, 2007 at 11:27 amFor the record, upside00, neo troll, François, snuhwolf, A Patriot Acting, veritas, Leporello, margaret, reb in NC, Sean, outside trader, mighty aphrodite, AnonTip, and tballou are NOT on the "Ignore List".
August 31st, 2007 at 11:28 amIf Senator Craig visited Iraq now, would the troops be provided with a copy of his police report and guilty plea?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:30 am"no one" knows who made the bios.
"no one" knows who fired the 9 US Attorneys
'no one" knows who had protestors arrested at Bush loyalty rallies...
The party of "personal responsibility"?
No, the Rapeublicans are the party of TREASON and SCAPEGOATING...
August 31st, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by mighty aphrodite — August 31, 2007 @ 11:27 am
While I hate to have to address you:
Who (in you vast experience) is responsible for briefing on visitors?
And I am anything but a Liberal. I am just able to look for, and occasionally find, truth.
Crawl away now.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:31 amHave I made The List yet?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:32 am"While I disagree with their action, under what Article (charge) of the UCMJ would you charge them?"
Comment by hacker bob
Aren't there rules against political advocacy? The person who compiled these was committing de facto political advocacy, wasn't he? By posting negative, factually incorrect info?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:33 am"Have I made The List yet?"
Comment by troqua
It's all a sham. Jake answers others on the list directly when it serves his purpose. I'm a charter member, and he's answered me directly, after putting me on his intellectually-fraudulent list. He claims to be a lawyer, yet can't muster the integrity to maintain a "list" he himself created. Ma is a better fake lawyer...
August 31st, 2007 at 11:37 amhacker bob
Article 107. False official statements.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:37 amJake D. sez:
Funny how none of them are clamoring to "discuss the TOPIC" with you, isn't it?^_^
Perhaps they'd like to know how to get on The List â„¢ as well. Don't worry, it's easy, kids. Just ask Jake a question he doesn't want to answer, and press him on it. That's all it takes.
Alternatively, you simply petition Jake to leave you the hell alone (I.E.: add you to The List â„¢), but that's kinda like beating a video game with cheat codes, vs. doing it honestly. You'll appreciate being on The List â„¢ more if you work for it. ^_^
August 31st, 2007 at 11:37 amIn response to #11:
In Francois' world (somewhat similar to Fox world) it isn't fair to blame the ones responsible.
In Francois' world out raged indignation over injustice = hate
In Francois' world it is acceptable to publish lies, hate and fear as tools of propaganda and corporate supremacy.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:38 amBush's MASTER Satan needs to call this azzhole HOME.
Mr. Satan, if you want to SMASH HIS FACE IN every MINUTE for ETERNITY, go right ahead.
He's YOUR boy.
I am sure you are PROUD of his EVIL.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:41 amWhile I disagree with their action, under what Article (charge) of the UCMJ would you charge them?
Comment by hacker bob
maybe:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:41 amARTICLE 107:
Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, or other official document, knowing it to be false, or makes any other false official statement knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Article 107. False official statements.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 11:37 am
907. ART. 107. FALSE STATEMENTS
Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, or other official document, knowing it to be false, or makes any other false official statement knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
But is it an official document or is it a "courtesy sheet"? Again, we are BOTH speculating.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:41 amIt can't be all that difficult to trace this back to the perpetrator(s). That is a lot of paper and a lot of printing.
But then the perpetrator(s) and their supervisors, and the supervisors of the supervisors, etc etc should be prosecuted for defamation and libel.... or treason... whichever is appropriate.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:42 amHacker Bob.
Article 88—Contempt towards an official also counts.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:42 amHello Mighty,
Did you read the above topic? Because this is directly from above. "Moran’s bio says that he “[v]oted NO on legislation requiring the withdrawal of U S troops from Iraq within 120 days of the bill’s enactment.†In reality, Moran voted “yes.†He also voted for Tauscher’s dwell-time legislation."
And here's your question complete with snideyness. " Were the attributed statements false? (Pssst…the hands over the eyes thing make it difficult to look for info…)"
The simple answer is yes they are false. You can read and see that when someone votes one way on a bill but it's spread to others that the same person voted another way it's a false statement. AKA a lie.
Your Pssst comment is a reflection of your own ignorance. Now try and show some intelligence when defending liars.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:43 amTroops to Frank J : Quit using our sacrifice to bolster your feelings of ina dequacy.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:45 amSo, our "leadership" (civilian or military) distributes lies and misrepresentations about elected representatives to our armed forces. Not only does this parallel the deceit of the Bush administration in lying us into and keeping us in this war, it shows utter contempt for the men and women serving in the military.
This is dirty partisanship, despicable and shameful. But what else can we count on from the Bush administration?
August 31st, 2007 at 11:45 amComment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I was about to say the same thing, I just wanted to re-read the Article before opening my mouth.
That one would fly better than 107 because it does not matter if the document was official or not, just that it was public.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:45 amArticle 88—Contempt towards an official also counts.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
True
ART. 88 - CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
August 31st, 2007 at 11:46 amAny commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Comment by Wayne — August 31, 2007 @ 11:41 am
While I know what you are saying, the matter comes down to whether or not that document was considered official or not. As I said, 88 would be the easier route.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:47 amHe claims to be a lawyer, yet can’t muster the integrity to maintain a “list†he himself created. Ma is a better fake lawyer…
Comment by barfly — August 31, 2007
I can't even tell you how many conservatives I've met on forums and chat who claim to be lawyers - along with claiming to be Independents, not Republicans. It's such a funny way to try to pump up one's credibility, but I guess it makes sense to them.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:49 amAnd IF it was the PAO or PO then one would be hard pressed to scream "It's the Bush Admins fault" since the PAO and PO are usually a Lt. or Capt. Essentially a nobody in the grand scheme of things.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:51 amAs I said, 88 would be the easier route.
Comment by hacker bob
true, 88 would, since the libel/slander could be considered contempt.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:55 amhacker bob
It could, of course, also be a civilian contractor - they have a lot to lose if America ever gets its act together on war profiteering link.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:58 amWhy do you people automatically blame ‘the right’?? So much unnecessary hatred.
Comment by François
you're kidding.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:03 pmright.
right??
And IF it was the PAO or PO then one would be hard pressed to scream “It’s the Bush Admins fault†since the PAO and PO are usually a Lt. or Capt. Essentially a nobody in the grand scheme of things.
Comment by hacker bob
Bush probably had nothing personally to do with it, true.
It is hard to believe a PO would risk their neck like that trying to slander a member of Congress, but obviously someone did.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:04 pmSomeone set out to deliberately misinform the Soldiers and slander members of Congress.
true, 88 would, since the libel/slander could be considered contempt.
Comment by Wayne — August 31, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Even if the statement had been 100% accurate, they could still get charged with Art. 88.
The cases of the two Marines are different, slightly. Maj. Shane Sellers, the serving officer, was given a "letter of caution" -- a mild form of punishment -- for calling Clinton an "adulterous liar" in an article in Navy Times, an independent weekly. (Adultery is a criminal offense under military law if it jeopardizes discipline and good order; conviction can result in dishonorable discharge.)
Before anyone says anything:
It is a matter of record that Bill Clinton did have an affair and that he did lie about it. That is all I am pointing out. Maj. Sellers did not lie and was still punished (but not severly).
August 31st, 2007 at 12:05 pmComment by Wayne — August 31, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
I agree, that is would be extremly stupid. We also do not know that is the case, I am just speculating after years of sitting in Staff positions.
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Bruce G,
You are also right, that could be the case. Thanks for the link.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:08 pmIt's called a codel and do these Dhimmicrat maggots believe they can vote and say stupid gibberish about the war without it being public information? I shouldn't use "maggot" too loosely as this thread is festering with TP regulars who fit that classification perfectly.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pmTRILLIONS OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK
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August 31st, 2007 at 12:22 pmI think that the military is hoping that, like some "liberal" reporters , these legislators will be kidnapped and or shot by "insurgents" or at least by Blackwater thugs disguised as insurgents
August 31st, 2007 at 12:27 pmI shouldn’t use “maggot†too loosely as this thread is festering with TP regulars who fit that classification perfectly.
Comment by daveinboca
"maggot" was my Seargent's term of endearment to us when I was in basic, so why would that bother me?
Since you definately have a reading disability and missed the point that the info sheets were in fact incorrect and non factual, the rest of your post is silly.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:29 pmBasically DaveinBoca feels the lies or okay, as long as they push forward the failed conservative agenda. Life must be very easy for you Dave, get your opinion from Rush, no thinking needed.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:29 pm"Francois", I'm sure you're joking - first with the Frenchy name and then the "so much unnecessary hatred" . . .
August 31st, 2007 at 12:31 pmAhem. First, calling someone an "adulterous liar" is not tantamount to quoting someone else's words, verbaitum from , say, the Congressional record. Really. Is the problem that the Congress members want to say "How dare you quote me!" Would Warner in Virginia say the same now that Webb was elected? How dare you record what I actually say!!!!
I advocate the word for word correct recitation of what congressmembers say. If they want to put it in context, let them. (note: I do not advocate the use of cut up quotes , i.e. " So I .....said.....death........to....[t]he....kittens......[y]es.")
Would you seek to prohibit such use of quotes (as in Iraq) when your congressman/woman attends a convention of persons like-minded to yourself and the congressperson has made explicit comments that directly relate to your group? Or would that be divisive lies? [or are we to have a quasi-religious reverence for our elected leaders - all glory, laud and honor...... provided they agree with us....?????][Just askin!]
August 31st, 2007 at 12:31 pmAh ha!!! a misstatement about a preliminary procedural vote should render invalid the direct quotes!!! [even if the direct quotes are , um, well, accurate. But they are motivated by "bad" thoughts - ones that I don't necessarily agree with , so fruit of the poisonous tree and all that. Thank god we can stop the lies! Even the true ones!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 pmComment by Californio — August 31, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
This isn't a case of using selective quotes. One of the Bios was filled with outright lies. A very different case IMO. Using selective quotes is one of the oldest tricks in the political book. It doesn't make it okay, but it is what it is.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 pmComment by Californio — August 31, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
We were discussing Art. 88 of the UCMJ and I pointed out that if your flat out lie about someone protected by the Article or even tell the unpleasant truth about someone protected by the Article you can still be punished under the Article.
Personally, I would like the truth to be told and I would also not like to see people punished for telling the truth.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:35 pmBetrayus should be held accountable for those "briefings", and maybe he can get "W" to lend him his printin' press. Let him answer to that in his report to congress. I don't think he has the balls to circumvent his Cumm.and.'r in thief 'r enny other he's answerable too. Ain't it grand that these Military Minds can cater and caudal to these White House cowards.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:45 pmDhimmicrat maggots
Comment by daveinboca — August 31, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Ha! That's cute, coming from a member of the Republican al-Qa'ida.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:49 pmIt is quite natural to want to punish those you disagree with when you think they are being insolent and rude (plus you don't like what they are saying anyway!) But beware of being hoisted upon your own petard (literally, stepping upon your own mine) when you talk about "punishing" those who published those quotes - the exact same argument could be used for those who "slander" a national leader with an unpleasant question - 'a'la asking Rumsfeld about lack of armor at a question and answer session with the troops. [A key and legitimate inquiry! But remember - all the talk about secret watermarks, et al - there will be no tears when it is used against the "truthtellers" you would laud.][sort of like advocating have the police "bust some heads" on those you don't like - it is no fun when the police turn around and start hitting you too - Hey wait! I meant you were only to hit THEM!]
August 31st, 2007 at 12:49 pm#1 Jake, Think progress is not part of the military which is ultimatley supposed to be under civillian control. So when the military takes to smearing the civillian leaders whom it is supposed to be under, you have no problem with this? If this is what our country is coming to, how long do we have until some general makkes the atempt to become elpresidente or ceasar?
Anyhow I think a swift and immediate investigation needs to be conducted into who printed these flyers and why they printed them. Then action should be taken to correct the situation. If it is petreaus or any other senior leader he shoudl be fired without pension. if it is a lower ranked leader perhaps the same punishment should be handed out. Either way something needs to be done so that the military knwos they are still subordinate to civillian rule.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:55 pmWe need the hatred to fuel the fires of change. I will admit it, I hate each and every one of you reptard idiots who think nothing about trashing our constitution, our rule of law and our military.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 31, 2007 @ 10:03 am
And the middle of this country hates you as well. That's why your "movement" isn't going anywhere!! Your vile and hate are destroying you, and your to stupid to know it!! The constitution is fine!! The rule of law is fine!! The millitary isn't, but you hate the millitary anyway! You use them as an excuse to destroy everything you don't believe!! I'm glad your filled with hate. I hope it devours your rotten pathetic soul. Wait...to late.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:59 pmAnd when Bush shows up with his plastic turkey this year, they'll photoshop in a slide of some unsuspecting trooper eating the real thing.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:59 pmSpin, fabricate, lie, business as usual at Bushit Co.
Article 88—Contempt towards an official also counts.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 11:42 am
To me it looks more like a lobbying effort. These are the kinds of bios an interest group would distribute to members when they want to make sure they all stay "on message" when they come into contact with targeted elected officials. Distributing this to service members puts them in the awkward and possibly illegal position of lobbying Congress. What does the UCMJ say about that?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:01 pm.
More of the same...
Our troops in Iraq are very aware they are being mislead and abused by WH politics.
What's laughable that the WH and it's imbeded politicos think their constant lying still benefits thenselves and their desultory 'cause.'
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August 31st, 2007 at 1:03 pmFrom her frequent and excessive use of parenthesis, I'm starting to suspect that mighty megan methead hermaphrodite the imaginary lawyer soldier is our infamous "ipostinsanerantsineverythreadandthendissapear" troll... that troll also uses parenthesis frequently..... get off the meth pipe girl, no matter how skinny you get, you'll never be pretty...and while your at it, dip those arms in the bathtub you brew your crank in, maybe it will exfoliate some of that hair on your trollish arms. Her myspace said she was from california and her last post (chock full of parenthesis and brackets) was under the moniker "california"...
so tell us meagan, are you still a lawyer?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:04 pmCalifornio
The truth isn't subjective. Reality is not something we consent to, and the fact is that these bios that were distributed were demonstably false. They included lies, as can be verified by checking them against Congressional voting records.
Of course, what I am posting here is for the benefit of the lurkers, because I have a sneaking suspicion you are simply a party loyalist who thinks that it is A-Okay to lie to America's soldiers.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:10 pmhttp://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
shes an ugly beast, isnt she?
and this pic on her page.. is just creepy.. a naked child clutching its mother in fear of being featured on meagans page, morphing into an american flag,
morphing into an antichrist like little girl with red eyes who is surround by
several evil looking foxes and a a troll holding a thalamide baby with an enormous dayglo parrot on its shoulder.....
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/dixie1488/fks.jpg
and look here.. meagan and her crackwh0re mother, within a 50 foot radius of men... courtesy of photoshop of course, not reality... mighty megan aphrodite, living proof that successful artificial insemination is still in its infancy
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/dixie1488/logo.jpg
ok i said i was going to bed.. but i coudlnt resist.. goodnight...
August 31st, 2007 at 1:13 pmJohnny Swank
Middle America hates being lied to and it hates being used - which is why it is slowly turning blue.
You guys have lost, you are even losing your heartlands, because ultimately, contrary to your own beliefs, middle America is not populated by redneck hicks who bang their sisters, it is populated by educated Americans who can recognise a failure when they see one.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:14 pmmiddle America is not populated by redneck hicks who bang their sisters, it is populated by educated Americans who can recognise a failure when they see one.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Granted, about 2/3 of them don't vote in midterm elections, but that's another topic altogether...
August 31st, 2007 at 1:19 pmChocolate Jesus
that has got to be the least attractive myspace site I have seen for a long, long time.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pmtoasterhead
You need to get those 2/3rds voting. They need waking up because if America continues on its current path you won't have a Democracy anymore, you will have a dictatorship.
They are even making moves on subverting the military here!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pmhttp://a61.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/53/l_7e8c890f5e3d22418dbb0dc26ae8dce4.jpg
seriously....look at her.Its hard I know..but just look.the hair on her arms distracts from her more attactive features, like the fact she has both eyes..
I've seen more appealing sights in the dumpsters behind abortion clinics..
if I was that ugly, I guess I'd be mad at the world and wish for the destruction of anything beautiful too.... I see why you're hot for the soldiers meagan, I imagine some of these guys out in the field for months and years are so horny that even you are looking better than the local camel...."Mighty Meagan...supporting Bush because he sends the troops to a desolate, pussyless wasteland so long that she actually has a chance of getting within 50 feet of them.. (WITHOUT photoshop!!)
August 31st, 2007 at 1:27 pmChocolate Jesus
Why is she showing off her track-marks?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:29 pmYou need to get those 2/3rds voting. They need waking up because if America continues on its current path you won’t have a Democracy anymore, you will have a dictatorship.
They are even making moves on subverting the military here!
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Exactly!
It's just something I think about whenever we talk about "bringing democracy" to people, be it in Iraq, Lebanon, Georgia, or Palestine. We want to export democracy when only 1/3 of our citizens actually participate in the process.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:32 pmAs if this is anything different than what is posted on ThinkProgress EVERY day?
Comment by Jake D
Uh yeah. Thinkprogress isn't a government agency.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:37 pmYou guys have lost, you are even losing your heartlands, because ultimately, contrary to your own beliefs, middle America is not populated by redneck hicks who bang their sisters, it is populated by educated Americans who can recognise a failure when they see one.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
"contrary to your own beliefs, middle America is not populated by redneck hicks who bang their sisters" Bruce, where did I state my beliefs, "redneck hicks who bang their sisters?" That is what you think of fly over country, and that is why they don't like you, our vote for you. You look down on them. You think it's funny to imply that they bang their sisters. It's easy to sit behind your computer and make a statement like that, but I gurantee you would NEVER say that to Big Billy Bobs face!!! Please go and find your local redneck(one who is as big, our bigger) and ask if he bangs his sister! Your a coward who puts your opinions into the mouths of others.
I live in the south shit head. I know we are educated. The only failure is getting educated people to vote more. If we could do that, the democrats wouldn't have a chance. You thought Gore was going to win. Then you thought Kerry was a sure thing. Lost because of voters in the middle, not the hard left or right! Now who? A woman with enough baggage to give the right the election? A half black senator with zero experience. You think Billy Bob is going for that? Your dellusional and a coward.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:39 pmYou thought Gore was going to win.
Comment by Johnny Swank
Gore did win.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:41 pmYou thought Gore was going to win.
Comment by Johnny Swank
Gore did win.
Comment by ponte — August 31, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
He did? I thought Gore lost! No way, he won??? What did he do, concede or something? I bet that pissed a lot of people off. Did that lady who told him to wear more earthy tones lose too?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:47 pm>Why is she showing off her track-marks?
I dont know officer..shes not mine.. I just picked her up out of the dumpster...I can only speculate...perphaps the same reason Bush Lite has twice the calories but 25 percent of the population still drinks it...
NOTHING THEY DO MAKES SENSE!
(cribbing john stewart)
I suspect the hermaphrodite has been too busy cooking burnt cookies for horny troops over the summer to engage in much "debate", but still felt she must help defend freedom and truth by posting insane run-on sentence filled rants, end with a clever continuation of the train wreck she calls a thought process for her sig, then run off... now that shes back in jr. colledge, or whatever, I imagine she has less time for cookies and more time required in front a computer, so shes back in "debate" mode.....
August 31st, 2007 at 1:51 pmif you notice, "ipostinsanesyphillusriddenrants" doesnt make an appearance in the same thread methhead does.....
You thought Gore was going to win.
Comment by Johnny Swank
Gore did win.
Comment by ponte — August 31, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Did they go and change the way we vote for president when I wasn't looking? I thought we used the electorial voting way. Gosh. That's not fair to win that way. Shouldn't New York and California decide who is president? What are we gonna do now?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pm>I live in the south shit head.
so do I hillbilly.
>I know we are educated.
whahahahahaah aHA AAHAH !
>The only failure is getting educated people to vote more.
true. the more time people spend expanding thier own minds, the less
interest they have in trying to push their beleifs onto others... education makes you realize there are other people with other points of view that are no more or less legitimate than yours...
> If we could do that, the democrats wouldn’t have a chance.
whwhwhwhwhwhahahahaHAAAAAA.
are you telling me that the 30-45 percent of the population who STILL thinks that Saddam Hussien was involved in 9-11, and who STILL believe that Iraq had WMD (other than the old, useless stuff WE sold him) are the ones voting democrat?
puuuleeeze bubba...even rove admitted people who have "too much" education vote democratic...
August 31st, 2007 at 1:57 pmGreat question Johnny Swank,
What are we going to do now?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:57 pmDid they go and change the way we vote for president when I wasn’t looking? - Johnny Swank
Apparently so.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pmtrue. the more time people spend expanding thier own minds, the less
interest they have in trying to push their beleifs onto others… education makes you realize there are other people with other points of view that are no more or less legitimate than yours…
Comment by The Sweet Sphincter of the Saviour Chocolate Jesus — August 31, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Unles you are on the right, right sunshine? Because the right has no points of view that are acceptable, right sunshine? If on the other hand, you are an educated lefty, and agree with all things left, your ok. The educated right, in your opinion, has legitimate points of view no more or less legitimate than yours? HaaaaHaaaaaaaaa! Haaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaa Haaaaaaa. Wait, oh Jesus, wait....must....stop.....laughing.......
August 31st, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe educated right
Comment by Johnny Swank — August 31, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
...is an oxymoron.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhat do you expect from the US government?
August 31st, 2007 at 2:11 pmThe educated right
Comment by Johnny Swank — August 31, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
…is an oxymoron.
Comment by toasterhead — August 31, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Right toasterhead. There are no educated people on the right. Half of the country is stupid, right? Your better than half of the country because you vote for democrats our greenies? Keep believing that your better than us hillbillys. Thats why we don't like your kind. Wheres my sister???? Dolly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 31st, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe question is whether any such information should be distributed without the express agreement of the legislator for fear of compromising his or her fact-finding mission. Duh. It impedes oversight.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:14 pmHalf of the country is stupid, right? - Johnny Swank
Well, half of the country has a below average IQ.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:17 pmThe War Criminal in the Living Room: http://zonow.com/348
August 31st, 2007 at 2:20 pmThe right is less than half of the country. An educated person would know this.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:20 pmJohnny, you have yet to display that education you hold so dear.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:21 pmWell, the vast majority of the soldiers don't support democrats, so this isn't really a surprise.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:23 pmThis has to be one of the worst examples of a right wing agenda that I've seen ... worst in the sense of "what is the outrage supposed to be?" The link to Moran's bio didn't work for me, but in reading the WP article, and Tauscher's bio, I don't understand the outrage. Clearly, I have no idea who created these bios. But maybe the person who created it thought the troops would want to know the congress members' position on the war the troops are serving in. I don't think that's wrong. As to what information was presented, was it inaccurate or misquoted? Were the quotes taken out of context so that they are misleading? It doesn't appear that way to me. I hope that many of the troops agree with the statements attributed to Taushcer.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:23 pmJohnny Swank, we didn't lose neither in 2000 or in 2004. The criminal pigs stole the election and with the help of ignornant middle america who voted against its own special interests because they are too dumb to understand that the people you voted for also voted to send your jobs overseas, and voted against raising the minimum wage Case in point Ohio. Voted overwhelmingly republican in 2000 and from between 2000 and 2004 saw all of their jobs gone. I came from a family of folks like you, Swank. Dyed-in-the wool-republicans - poor working folks -- who loved the racist republicans who took away their jobs and a decent wage yet who hated the democrats who gave them the jobs. My father was a coal miner who ended up with black lung disease and it was a democrat attorney he went to to fight for a for him to get his pension. That democrat attorney didn't ask my father whether he was a repig or a democrat when he took his case and he got the pension for my father and I might add it was - the same pension that had been denied him by a republican administration. My father continued to vote for the repigs. I call that pretty ignorant. Keep drinking the repig kool aid.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:25 pmBut maybe the person who created it thought the troops would want to know the congress members’ position on the war the troops are serving in. I don’t think that’s wrong. - David
If the person who created these documents is serving and distributing them in an official capacity, I believe it would violate the Hatch Act, which is why it's wrong and possibly illegal.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:29 pmDolly!!!!!!!!!!!! Get back in here girl, I forgot to show you my Dale Earnhardt action figure!!! Dolly!!!!!!!!!
August 31st, 2007 at 2:35 pmHalf of the country is stupid, right? - Johnny Swank
Well, half of the country has a below average IQ.
Comment by ponte — August 31, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
What is your IQ ponte?
Someone just told me Gore lost because he shot flipper or flopper. He should have worn earth tones.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:48 pmJohnny, you have yet to display that education you hold so dear.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 31, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
I aint edumacated. I went to New Orleans public schooling system where you are just passed through the system so the school and the principal got that federal money. I appreciate you thinking highly of me though.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:53 pm"As if this is anything different than what is posted on ThinkProgress EVERY day?
Comment by Jake D. — August 31, 2007 @ 9:48 am"
I guess the difference that bothers me most is that my tax dollars are supporting a one-sided report, the intention of which is to influence the troops, who, by the way, are also supported by my taxes.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:11 pmSo, yeah, there is a difference between posting on a public blog and being able to hand out my opinion to every service member in Iraq while not allowing an opposing viewpoint.
Forged documents are what get you in trouble, not misleading ones. Just ask Dan Rather. And why do any of you think someone would take the time to misrepresent a political official going to Iraq? Maybe because a disgruntled soldier with an axe to grind is pissed off at the democratic leadership. Maybe someone like this man. This was recently e-mailed to me from a good friend serving in Iraq.
"I'm Tired"
BY: Joe Repya, Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of duty in Iraq, I was forced to return to the USA for surgery for an injury I sustained prior to my deployment. With luck, I'll return to Iraq to finish my tour.
I left Baghdad, and a war that has every indication that we are winning, to return to a demoralized country much like the one I returned to in 1971 after my tour in Vietnam. Maybe it's because I'll turn 60 years old in just four months, but I'm tired:
I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and Republican, who lack the courage, fortitude and character to see these difficult tasks through.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to rewrite history when the going gets tough.
I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that claim they 'Support the Troops' by wanting them to 'Cut and Run' before victory is achieved.
I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on car bombs and casualty reports because they are too afraid to leave the safety of their hotels to report on the courage and success our brave men and women are having on the battlefield.
I'm tired that so many Americans think you can rebuild a dictatorship into a democracy overnight.
I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi people to go to the voting booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon a permanent Parliament.
I'm tired of the so called 'Elite Left' that prolongs this war by giving aid and comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the Vietnam War.
I'm tired of antiwar protesters showing up at the funerals of our fallen soldiers, a family whose loved ones gave their life in a just and noble cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day by cowardly protesters is beyond shameful.
I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom -- Vietnam generation, who have such a weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing the difficult tasks through to victory.
I'm tired that some are more concerned about the treatment of captives than they are the slaughter and beheading of our citizens and allies.
I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom reported by the press, but mistreat a prisoner and it is front-page news.
Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation didn't learn from history that there is no substitute for victory.
Sincerely,
Joe Repya, Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
Maybe someone who is there serving their country got that bio wrong . Maybe someone who knows more than you about fighting and winning a war. I wonder why the soldiers believe in what they are doing there, and you don't. Maybe because you are sitting behind a desk thinking you know everything about the trials and tribulations of being a combat soldier from what you have read on the internet.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:13 pmJohnny, you confuse the soldier and the mission.
What is the mission? What was the initial reason for going in? How much of that has changed? And how many times has this administration lied about this conflict?
Answer anyone or all of these if possible.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:17 pmForged documents are what get you in trouble, not misleading ones. Just ask Dan Rather. - Johnny Swank
Or George Bush and Colin Powell.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:18 pmComrade Companeros:
I find you all Fascinating. I am reminded of the scene in "Volunteers" starring John Candy and Tom Hanks. John Candy is a sweetnatured do-gooder in the peace corps who is captured by the Red Chinese. He swears they never break him - next scene , John Candy in a voluminous Mao jacket preaching Maoist rhetoric so passionately that even the Chinese officers are getting bored by it. "Yeah, Yeah, we know." I loooooove the way you pretend to be so cynical - yet then spout out such canned drivel - sort of your "uniform" orthodox way of being , you know, "un-orthodox". (Deviations from this will not be tolerated!)[and yes - truth is not subject to interpretation - but I am tired of someone taking a minor point and then screaming - "Ah HA! you LIE!!!! You LIED about what color socks you were wearing - so your comments about "fire being hot" should be IGNORED!"][I read the same WP article - other than the vote being miscast/misquoted/"lied" about, what was the other prevarication? And also - Lie= intentional misrepresentation , would you consent to your opponents having the last word as to your intention? And yes, this applies to everyone, left or right.]
And when I note that anyone should be careful what they wish for...why I "out" myself as a whitehouse stooge! Curses! Foiled again! You smarties may have won this time, but I'll be back ! with legions of black helicopters and secret alien technology from Area 56 (Area 54 is a dodge! Ha!) Because EVERYONE knows that our government is secretly hyperefficient at spying for their secret purposes! Or else, um, or else then the world may be a scarier and more chaotic place........mommy!
By all means - ignore anything I may point out - fire is hot, the earth is round, etc. For labelling me in league with the "other" will relieve you of any critical thought as to what I may be saying. Er, or am I just fear-mongering again? Companeros, When did you fall in love with the concept of thought crime?
August 31st, 2007 at 3:19 pmHmm... not sure why that link got dropped. Here it is again:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/
August 31st, 2007 at 3:20 pmCompaneros, When did you fall in love with the concept of thought crime? - Californio
When we found out that the Bush Administration was reading all our emails. We just love the NSA. Hi Mr. Smith!
August 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe powers that be told us to do this. We don’t want no truth tellers over in Iraq telling our soldiers what we dont want them to know. If you want to tell the truth, do it some place in the South Pacific. NOT here or in Iraq!
"Got any proof with that rant sandwhich?"
August 31st, 2007 at 3:39 pmThe powers that be told us to do this. We don’t want no truth tellers over in Iraq telling our soldiers what we dont want them to know. If you want to tell the truth, do it some place in the South Pacific. NOT here or in Iraq!
“Got any proof with that rant sandwhich?â€
Comment by Me — August 31, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Good post, because if they knew the truth, they would be even more outspoken then the 82nd Airborne soldiers and all the retired generals.
This is what we get for letting a Codpiece Commander Guy be the Chump-in-Charge.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:54 pmJohnny, you confuse the soldier and the mission.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 31, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
That's convenient and easy; to confuse the soldier and the mission. So your basically saying the soldier doesn't believe in what he/she is doing. There only there because an evil man sent them there for oil? Then, under your reasoning, when a soldier comes home and tells me that the majority of Iraqi citizens want freedom from tyranny and oppresive goverment, and he want's to help provide that freedom, with his own life, that I'm confusing the soldier with the mission? Great talking point, but it lacks honesty! What you don't understand, and never will, is that there are people in this country that believe in risking their lives to help the cause of others. That blows your mind doesn't it. "Why would someone want to risk their life to save others lives, and possibly win a war against terrorism?" Theres more to life than just you. That's why they are soldiers, and you are not. It's not about you!
Who cares why we went, were there, let's finish the job and go home. I believe we went there to establish a presence in the middle east. Not to occupy, but to establish a base of operations like we do in Germany, Japan, etc. The mission was to expel Sadam and his army and stabalize the region. Everything has changed. That's what happens in war. There's no manual that both sides read that makes a war run smooth until the victor has won. It's a stupid question and you know it. The administration has lied from the beginning in my opinion. Americans don't want WMD's going off at home, so it was their spin on a way to get the public to go along. Bad move, but where there. Let's win and go home. Otherwise, our children will be back to do it al over again. Do you want to have to go back to Iraq HELLINABUCKET? Do you want our children to have to go through this as well. But you don't think ahead do you.
Did I answer your questions?
August 31st, 2007 at 4:04 pmSo now the Bush adminitration is catapulting the propaganda to our own troops? No wonder some of them still support this president...
I see Karl Rove's hands or at least the military industrial complex's hands all over this.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:09 pmWho cares why we went, were there, let’s finish the job and go home. I believe we went there to establish a presence in the middle east.
Bit of a paradox there.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:14 pmYou confuse the soldier and underestimate the mission.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:14 pmYou confuse the soldier and underestimate the mission. - Johnny Swank
The mission is bogus.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:17 pmWho cares why we went, were there, let’s finish the job and go home. I believe we went there to establish a presence in the middle east.
Bit of a paradox there.
Comment by ponte — August 31, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
What is it about common sense that some of you don't understand. Some things are very complicated, like organic chemistry. Some things like-" hmmm...should we win the war our lose the war? That's a tough one, can I call the smartest person I know?"
YOU WIN THE WAR, not LOSE!!!!!! Ask a child if it's better to win or lose.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:22 pmThe Great Iraq Swindle
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/
August 31st, 2007 at 4:33 pmthe_great_iraq_swindle
"truthtellers" = someone who says something I agree with
August 31st, 2007 at 4:36 pm"Liars"= someone who says something I disagree with
"patriot" = someone who says something I agree with
"traitor" = someone who says something I disagree with
"illegal wiretap" = activity when the other side is in the White House
"defending America" = activity when my side is in the White House
"legitimate" = my opinion ( see "truth", "truthtellers") ["my" meaning the speaker - not the poster of this post]
"illegitimate" = your opinion ( see "lies", "liars")
YOU WIN THE WAR, not LOSE!!!!!! Ask a child if it’s better to win or lose.
Comment by Johnny Swank — August 31, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
That would require the child to be able to define win and lose. When this can be done all ask the rugrat.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:42 pmbg:
Of course there's a difference between posting on a public blog and being able to hand out an opinion to every service member in Iraq while not allowing an opposing viewpoint. But, that was not my point in post #1: I was referring to the content -- misstating the record, or even just cherry-picking the Representatives’ “most incendiary†statements, is exactly what Think Progress does too.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:08 pmJohnny Swank
Frankly, a lot has happened since 2004.
The heartlands have gotten a big nasty look at the price of Republicanism, with Hurricane Katrina. They didn't like what they saw.
They got a nice long look at Republican corruption, with K-Street, the only single party major corruption in American history. They didn't like what they saw.
They got a nice long look at Republican hypocrisy, thanks to the gay sex scandals which don't seem to be going away. And understand this, rightwinger, they got a nice long look into your souls when Hastert was revealed to have known about Foley, and done nothing.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:26 pmMiddle America has seen American healthcare, which is not an issue of rich versus poor, but rich and poor agreeing that the status quo is unacceptable. Amongst the biggest groups pushing for public healthcare, you will find some of your biggest corporations because they don't want to spend 200 dollars per employee when they could get away with 100 dollars.
They have seen you turn a surplus, into a deficit. They have seen their pets die from imported Chinese goods which due to America's debt with China, are going to stay on the market with only cosmetic changes. Maybe a few officials die in China, the poison remains.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:34 pmYou might have won in 2004, you lost in 2006 and you will lose bigger in 2008 if the Democrats show even the slightest bit of spine. You see, liberals are not longer ashamed to be liberals, but I can't count how many of you rightwing trolls out there, are too ashamed to call yourselves Republicans.
The Republicans, for all their fury, their hate, have failed to achieve results, and in the end the people of Middle America recognise this just as they recognise how you have used them to try and buy yourselves some sort of legitimacy.
And frankly they are sick of picking up the tab for your ignorant, stupid and arrogant beliefs. They are sick of a bunch of wussies who feel the need to be victims, which is the tactic I have noted you using on this forum with your cowardly claims that "Oh, but the right are never right" when you damn well what your results are.
We judge your ideas by whether they work. You had six years of real power, unprecedented power and the net result is a staggering national debt, two wars, two major disasters and the world hates you. You have failed.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:37 pmOh, and Johnny
You don't believe the South is educated, you just think you are. You still believe they will buy your crap even as it has proven over, and over again to be crap. Just slap it with a Bible and wrap it in a flag and they won't recognise the fact that it belongs in a sewer coz, well garsh, they just dumb hicks to your thinking.
They can think for themselves and they don't like the way you are dragging America. Sure, liberals tease them about the stereotype, but then hell ever seen the stereotypical New Yorker? A neurotic self-absorbed basket case that almost justifies 9/11, except that just like the stereotypical redneck hick, it doesn't actually exist.
The difference is where liberals joke, you conservatives don't. You really think deep down in your soul that poor-to-middle class middle America believes all the same shit about God, Church and country. You think they never think past where they are, and you think they can't change their minds. You think they are dumb, prejudiced and easily swayed hicks.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:48 pmJake D.
Except it doesn't mistate the record. It might have the odd occassional headline which you disagree with, but it provides the stories it is reporting on and provides its sources if you want to check them up. When it is incorrect, as has happened, it gets corrected.
And I have fact checked Think Progress before. Unlike you, a known liar, it has proven reliable.
These flyers outright lie about the record. They outright lie, and isn't it interesting that one of the issues they lie about, is troop withdrawal.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:53 pmArguing with a troll is like mud wrestling with a pig: both of you will get dirty, but only one of you is going to enjoy it.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:19 pmSo the problem is that they don't believe what they said? It was still their words. What's with you moonbats? You go to the microphones, yack ur soundbite and then when someone calls you on it, you stomp your feet and cry foul.
It's hilarious!
August 31st, 2007 at 7:24 pmJust a thought, but the Army might make a little more progress in Iraq if they devoted more resources to fighting the insurgency, and less to making up slam books on visiting congressional Democrats.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:06 pm#205 Johnny Swank: Thanks for the ammunition.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:26 amjack Moss
Frankly I don't care about the quotes which those lawmakers actually said. Being taken out of context is perfect normal.
What I care about is that you wankers see nothing wrong with lying about a person's voting record. You see nothing wrong with it, because, to your mind, it is acceptable to lie to win an argument. It is why we always have to go to the effort to check what you say because you have no integrity.
Your idea of honour is wrapped around you dick, you have no concept whatsoever of honour as tying to honesty.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:43 amTypical knee jerk lefties. Did any of you Morons.org ever consider that maybe the stupid flyer was printed prior to her vote on Aug 2nd? Oh, yeah, I forget, for liberals, history began yesterday, so you can't conceive of something happening in the past...
Gosh, it's just terrible that lieberals own words are being used against them! How unfair!
DailyKooks
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:38 pmExactly the kind of honesty we can expect with the "September" Patreaus report.
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:18 pmThat is hilarious! It's about time the troops were made aware of what snakes in Congress say back in Washington.
Members of Congress shouldn't say negative things about the war and vote against it if they can't face the troops.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:55 am'Slimed' again...?!
NOT surprised.
Just another tentacle of the right wing christian fascist monster growing inside the military.
MUCH more info on: http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
and
this should be viewed in conjunction with the Camp Victory
'Access Denied' restriction of internet access to ThinkProgress.
THIS is the must vaunted 'freedom' that W says the bad guys hate us so much for...!?
It's (well past) time to act up/out. Push is coming to shove.
Prepare yourselves.
Now.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:58 amThe "Fox News" of our government?
It amazes me that people that have been lied about do not take legal action.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:53 amI would not stand for it.