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		<title>By: location</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-2/#comment-4056330</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DanJoaquinOz</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-2/#comment-4053294</link>
		<dc:creator>DanJoaquinOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favourite recent headlines here in Australia concerned the leak of secret Government research on the alarmingly low poll numbers for PM Howard. The newspaper encapsulated the research perfectly: 
HOWARD: OLD &amp; SNEAKY 
I don&#039;t know why but this just totally cracks me up. Again &amp; again. It conjures up this oddly astute  image of Howard as Montgomery Burns: venal, geriatric, befuddled &amp; rat-cunning. 

In this context, and that of his imminent defeat, it is just too perfect that Howard has as international cheerleaders, the Dog &amp; Pony Tour Guide General David-where-did-I-put-those-200,000 machine guns?-Petraeus &amp; The Moron in Chief. With a few distant grumbles from angry Mount Cheney, we have the ultimate tri-pronged-anchor of endorsements: A smart liar, a rich idiot &amp; an undead psychopath. 

Howard unfortunately will not lose power because of his war-mongering, his lying, amnesia or plausible deniability about refugees, kickbacks to Saddam or any of his government&#039;s other spectacular ethical breaches. Howard will lose power because he repeatedly hit the hip-pocket nerve of the aspirational, swing-seat middle-class. He did this with his Industrial Relations legislation, his squandering of a GST generated surplus, his pandering to big business, his brutal commodification of tertiary education &amp; his undermining of Medicare. When low unemployment &amp; low average wages, combine with huge house prices, rising interest rates, humungous corporate profits &amp; payouts - the aspirational middle class begins to smell something distictly rodentiary in the much-lauded, economic consruct laughingly referred to as a BOOM. Hoist upon his own petard, Howard the ultimate economic rationalist will lose, justly, poetically, because ultimately: &quot;It IS the Economy, Stupid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite recent headlines here in Australia concerned the leak of secret Government research on the alarmingly low poll numbers for PM Howard. The newspaper encapsulated the research perfectly:<br />
HOWARD: OLD &amp; SNEAKY<br />
I don&#8217;t know why but this just totally cracks me up. Again &amp; again. It conjures up this oddly astute  image of Howard as Montgomery Burns: venal, geriatric, befuddled &amp; rat-cunning. </p>
<p>In this context, and that of his imminent defeat, it is just too perfect that Howard has as international cheerleaders, the Dog &amp; Pony Tour Guide General David-where-did-I-put-those-200,000 machine guns?-Petraeus &amp; The Moron in Chief. With a few distant grumbles from angry Mount Cheney, we have the ultimate tri-pronged-anchor of endorsements: A smart liar, a rich idiot &amp; an undead psychopath. </p>
<p>Howard unfortunately will not lose power because of his war-mongering, his lying, amnesia or plausible deniability about refugees, kickbacks to Saddam or any of his government&#8217;s other spectacular ethical breaches. Howard will lose power because he repeatedly hit the hip-pocket nerve of the aspirational, swing-seat middle-class. He did this with his Industrial Relations legislation, his squandering of a GST generated surplus, his pandering to big business, his brutal commodification of tertiary education &amp; his undermining of Medicare. When low unemployment &amp; low average wages, combine with huge house prices, rising interest rates, humungous corporate profits &amp; payouts &#8211; the aspirational middle class begins to smell something distictly rodentiary in the much-lauded, economic consruct laughingly referred to as a BOOM. Hoist upon his own petard, Howard the ultimate economic rationalist will lose, justly, poetically, because ultimately: &#8220;It IS the Economy, Stupid.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053294', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek in Queensland</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-2/#comment-4053269</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek in Queensland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard pushes the notion that as a country we have never been so well of economically. Unfortunately Mr &amp; Mrs Average wage earner and mortgagee do not quite get that as the benefits of this wonderful economy and the windfall to the country has not flowed through to Mr &amp; Mrs Average. 

Everyone is doing it tough except a select few such as the politicians, the beaurocrats and white collar workers, the CEO&#039;s and those at the top of the food chain, but we are such a prosperous nation so we are told again and again by the government of the day ?

Why then does prosperity not flow through and trickle down to Mr &amp; Mrs Average who contribute to that prosperity through blood, sweat and tears and who struggle to meet the committments of the modern day era we now live in.

Politicians are put there by the people for the people. History has shown and will show again that people power will remove those political parties which do not deliver a better country for tomorrows generation, our children and our grandchildren. We deserve at the very least honesty, integrety, sincerity, committment and inclusivity in the major decisions which impact and affect our lifestyle and that of future generations.

I am not pre-empting the death knell of the current political party in power but am simply saying this; &#039;That no matter what your political persuasion if you allow outside influences rather than the peple you serve to impact policy and as a result show total contempt for the voice of the nation you serve then expect the unexpected&#039;.

It matters not to me who holds the power of running this great country, what does matter is that it is run in the spirit of honest and ethical service to Australia and its population and not for the population of other countries and nations at the expense of our own.

Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard pushes the notion that as a country we have never been so well of economically. Unfortunately Mr &amp; Mrs Average wage earner and mortgagee do not quite get that as the benefits of this wonderful economy and the windfall to the country has not flowed through to Mr &amp; Mrs Average. </p>
<p>Everyone is doing it tough except a select few such as the politicians, the beaurocrats and white collar workers, the CEO&#8217;s and those at the top of the food chain, but we are such a prosperous nation so we are told again and again by the government of the day ?</p>
<p>Why then does prosperity not flow through and trickle down to Mr &amp; Mrs Average who contribute to that prosperity through blood, sweat and tears and who struggle to meet the committments of the modern day era we now live in.</p>
<p>Politicians are put there by the people for the people. History has shown and will show again that people power will remove those political parties which do not deliver a better country for tomorrows generation, our children and our grandchildren. We deserve at the very least honesty, integrety, sincerity, committment and inclusivity in the major decisions which impact and affect our lifestyle and that of future generations.</p>
<p>I am not pre-empting the death knell of the current political party in power but am simply saying this; &#8216;That no matter what your political persuasion if you allow outside influences rather than the peple you serve to impact policy and as a result show total contempt for the voice of the nation you serve then expect the unexpected&#8217;.</p>
<p>It matters not to me who holds the power of running this great country, what does matter is that it is run in the spirit of honest and ethical service to Australia and its population and not for the population of other countries and nations at the expense of our own.</p>
<p>Derek<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053269', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: eightace149</title>
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		<dc:creator>eightace149</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 10:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but thanks to Johnny Howard, plasma TVs and imported cars have never been so affordable! Now that&#039;s progess.... isn&#039;t it?
But don&#039;t forget the other reason Johnny&#039;s copping it up the jacksie in the polls - Work Choices. Now there&#039;s something that would make good friend W proud - make the workforce &quot;flexible&quot; (read expendable), giving a boost to executive salarys, profit margins and shareprices. Something to make all Aussies proud - as long as you&#039;re a shareholding company exec.
And in regards to the editorial in the Oz bollocking Johnny&#039;s economic creds, the saddest thing about that is that&#039;s the gear Labour should have been screaming from the rooftops for the past 11 years. It breaks your heart when it&#039;s Murdoch&#039;s mouthpiece doing the hard yards.
Anyways, it&#039;ll be great to see the back of Johnny come the election, not to mention Downer, Abbot, Nelson, etc. Who the f**k votes for these arseholes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but thanks to Johnny Howard, plasma TVs and imported cars have never been so affordable! Now that&#8217;s progess&#8230;. isn&#8217;t it?<br />
But don&#8217;t forget the other reason Johnny&#8217;s copping it up the jacksie in the polls &#8211; Work Choices. Now there&#8217;s something that would make good friend W proud &#8211; make the workforce &#8220;flexible&#8221; (read expendable), giving a boost to executive salarys, profit margins and shareprices. Something to make all Aussies proud &#8211; as long as you&#8217;re a shareholding company exec.<br />
And in regards to the editorial in the Oz bollocking Johnny&#8217;s economic creds, the saddest thing about that is that&#8217;s the gear Labour should have been screaming from the rooftops for the past 11 years. It breaks your heart when it&#8217;s Murdoch&#8217;s mouthpiece doing the hard yards.<br />
Anyways, it&#8217;ll be great to see the back of Johnny come the election, not to mention Downer, Abbot, Nelson, etc. Who the f**k votes for these arseholes?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053266', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 04:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half of Australia may still like Howard.... but almost no one here likes Bush. If Howard and Bush do plenty of press together it&#039;s certainly not going to help Howard get re-elected. 

The simple fact is Howard is a lying wanker. Anything else included in a biography of the man is largely wasted ink. Just need &quot;lying wanker.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half of Australia may still like Howard&#8230;. but almost no one here likes Bush. If Howard and Bush do plenty of press together it&#8217;s certainly not going to help Howard get re-elected. </p>
<p>The simple fact is Howard is a lying wanker. Anything else included in a biography of the man is largely wasted ink. Just need &#8220;lying wanker.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053208', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Bush has knocked this Republican from the party forever. The Iraq war was a major mistake in my view. Even more frightening is how the US has moved steadily toward becoming a police state since 9-11. Police running around with automatic weapons and seem to have gotten overly agressive with even routine police work. I always wondered how Hitler could get so many people to join his secret police. No I understand that he did it incrementally, taking rights away for the safety of the people. This country needs someone who truly cares about liberty and not running a dictatorship out of the white house. Never before in the history of the us has the president hid behind &quot;national security&quot; as often as this one to avoid constitutional scrutiny. I truly fear that my children will end up living in a Gestapo state where no one will have freedoms, movement will be restricted and the constitution will be, to use the President&#039;s words, &quot;just a damn piece of paper.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Bush has knocked this Republican from the party forever. The Iraq war was a major mistake in my view. Even more frightening is how the US has moved steadily toward becoming a police state since 9-11. Police running around with automatic weapons and seem to have gotten overly agressive with even routine police work. I always wondered how Hitler could get so many people to join his secret police. No I understand that he did it incrementally, taking rights away for the safety of the people. This country needs someone who truly cares about liberty and not running a dictatorship out of the white house. Never before in the history of the us has the president hid behind &#8220;national security&#8221; as often as this one to avoid constitutional scrutiny. I truly fear that my children will end up living in a Gestapo state where no one will have freedoms, movement will be restricted and the constitution will be, to use the President&#8217;s words, &#8220;just a damn piece of paper.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4052400', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Mason</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4052164</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ptobias is right. If Howard hadn&#039;t introduced the GST, an extra 10-15% tax on nearly everything we buy, we eat, we read there would be no surplus. If Howard hadn&#039;t slashed federal government spending on education, health, hospitals and even the funding of veterans programs, there would be no surplus. If Australia hadn&#039;t found a massive market for coal and mineral exports in China, Japan and other countries, worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year, there would be no surplus.

Even Murdoch&#039;s &#039;The Australian&#039; recently shredded Howard&#039;s 11 year reign, asking what he has really left Australians from such a massive influx of new wealth. Not much. The Australian also took Howard to task for ignoring infrastructure and basically blowing his wad on shit.

Just as they did before, the Labor Party will now have to come in and clean up the mess left by the conservatives.

BTW, most of the television news programs bookended the Petreaus and Bush interviews with accurate reports on the failure of the surge.

They&#039;re not fooling anybody.

And almost everybody in Sydney is blaming Bush and Howard for the mini-police state we will endure from Monday morning, due to the APEC summit. A ten foot high &#039;steel wall&#039; is now being built through the centre of Sydney, to keep an angry public away from Bush, and to stifle democratic rights to protest and free speech.


www.theorstrahyun.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ptobias is right. If Howard hadn&#8217;t introduced the GST, an extra 10-15% tax on nearly everything we buy, we eat, we read there would be no surplus. If Howard hadn&#8217;t slashed federal government spending on education, health, hospitals and even the funding of veterans programs, there would be no surplus. If Australia hadn&#8217;t found a massive market for coal and mineral exports in China, Japan and other countries, worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year, there would be no surplus.</p>
<p>Even Murdoch&#8217;s &#8216;The Australian&#8217; recently shredded Howard&#8217;s 11 year reign, asking what he has really left Australians from such a massive influx of new wealth. Not much. The Australian also took Howard to task for ignoring infrastructure and basically blowing his wad on shit.</p>
<p>Just as they did before, the Labor Party will now have to come in and clean up the mess left by the conservatives.</p>
<p>BTW, most of the television news programs bookended the Petreaus and Bush interviews with accurate reports on the failure of the surge.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not fooling anybody.</p>
<p>And almost everybody in Sydney is blaming Bush and Howard for the mini-police state we will endure from Monday morning, due to the APEC summit. A ten foot high &#8217;steel wall&#8217; is now being built through the centre of Sydney, to keep an angry public away from Bush, and to stifle democratic rights to protest and free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Ptobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ptobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kilo (#45), the economic foundation for Australia&#039;s low-inflation, low-unemployment run through the past decade was laid by the Labor government under Paul Keating&#039;s economic management. The ongoing boom in mining exports, to a large extent driven by the growth of China, has also kept things rolling along nicely and given a healthy revenue base for the Howard government - add the sell-off of a few formerly public corporations (e.g., Telstra), and surplus budgets haven&#039;t been too hard to manage.

What you also completely ignore is the moral depravity of John Howard and most of his Government. Apart from his role as head cheerleader for the Coalition of the Willing, Howard has capitalised on fear and distorted the truth to win elections - from false claims that boat people threw their children overboard to ensure they would be rescued, to false claims that they would keep interest rates low. Now, Howard&#039;s government is using the APEC meeting, George W Bush and, apparently, General Petraeus, to try to build enough perception that a Howard government is what we need to contend with Iraq and the threat of terrorism. Unfortunately for Honest John, after 11 years the same lies and stunts don&#039;t seem to be working any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kilo (#45), the economic foundation for Australia&#8217;s low-inflation, low-unemployment run through the past decade was laid by the Labor government under Paul Keating&#8217;s economic management. The ongoing boom in mining exports, to a large extent driven by the growth of China, has also kept things rolling along nicely and given a healthy revenue base for the Howard government &#8211; add the sell-off of a few formerly public corporations (e.g., Telstra), and surplus budgets haven&#8217;t been too hard to manage.</p>
<p>What you also completely ignore is the moral depravity of John Howard and most of his Government. Apart from his role as head cheerleader for the Coalition of the Willing, Howard has capitalised on fear and distorted the truth to win elections &#8211; from false claims that boat people threw their children overboard to ensure they would be rescued, to false claims that they would keep interest rates low. Now, Howard&#8217;s government is using the APEC meeting, George W Bush and, apparently, General Petraeus, to try to build enough perception that a Howard government is what we need to contend with Iraq and the threat of terrorism. Unfortunately for Honest John, after 11 years the same lies and stunts don&#8217;t seem to be working any more.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4052132', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chocolate Messiah Overload</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chocolate Messiah Overload</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Mr. progskeepbelittling is under duress 

Its &quot;Miss&quot; ... I&#039;m all but certain its the mighty hermaphdodite. They both overuse parenthesis in thier sentence structure, and this is the first thread I&#039;ve seen them both post in.. and go figure... they posted 3 minutes apart.. I figure that innane madlibesque rant took about 3 minutes to write, from the looks of it... Before &quot;myhypocriticalbrainisravagedbysyphillus&quot; hit almost every thread, now &quot;its&quot; not, but the the mighty hermaphrodite is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Mr. progskeepbelittling is under duress </p>
<p>Its &#8220;Miss&#8221; &#8230; I&#8217;m all but certain its the mighty hermaphdodite. They both overuse parenthesis in thier sentence structure, and this is the first thread I&#8217;ve seen them both post in.. and go figure&#8230; they posted 3 minutes apart.. I figure that innane madlibesque rant took about 3 minutes to write, from the looks of it&#8230; Before &#8220;myhypocriticalbrainisravagedbysyphillus&#8221; hit almost every thread, now &#8220;its&#8221; not, but the the mighty hermaphrodite is&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4052131', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AlanDownunder</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4052122</link>
		<dc:creator>AlanDownunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howard is as  crony-capitalist as Cheney and dirty-pool as Rove, but he&#039;s smart. Australia&#039;s Iraq participation is token: minimal and confined to specialist ops within relatively safe areas. You can count Australian Iraq combat fatalities on one hand, compared to America&#039;s 3,000 and rising.

Not that the Islamic world will think any better of Australia for that - something that didn&#039;t register inside Howard&#039;s only relatively less idiotic noggin - and something not unimportant when the world&#039;s most populous Islamic country (Indonesia) is Australia&#039;s near neighbour.

There is some good news. Howard is behind in the polls in his own electorate and an election must held this year. For a guy who is all politician and zero anything else, a loss there would be an an almost fitting reward for his services to this nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard is as  crony-capitalist as Cheney and dirty-pool as Rove, but he&#8217;s smart. Australia&#8217;s Iraq participation is token: minimal and confined to specialist ops within relatively safe areas. You can count Australian Iraq combat fatalities on one hand, compared to America&#8217;s 3,000 and rising.</p>
<p>Not that the Islamic world will think any better of Australia for that &#8211; something that didn&#8217;t register inside Howard&#8217;s only relatively less idiotic noggin &#8211; and something not unimportant when the world&#8217;s most populous Islamic country (Indonesia) is Australia&#8217;s near neighbour.</p>
<p>There is some good news. Howard is behind in the polls in his own electorate and an election must held this year. For a guy who is all politician and zero anything else, a loss there would be an an almost fitting reward for his services to this nation.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4052122', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: timeisart</title>
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		<dc:creator>timeisart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 05:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gen. P., sir, you are a lying war whore. Don&#039;t take it personally, you are not a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gen. P., sir, you are a lying war whore. Don&#8217;t take it personally, you are not a person.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4052003', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4051718</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Notice how ignorant trolls apologize and defend losers like Dubya and Howardâ€¦there must be some reason. 
Comment by kasinca â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:55 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LMAO. You are calling someone else ignorant ? WTF do you know about Howard&#039;s governance you idiot ?

Why have I been hearing about Clinton taking the economy from rags to riches with paid-off debt and balanced budgets for years now arsehole ? Was it because that was a good thing ? Because it showed the economic responsibility as opposed to the irresponsibility of the other party that ran up that record debt ?

Yeah well, the Australian equivalent of Clinton there was Howard. And because he chose to do the same thing Clinton did, raise taxes and pay off the huge public debt left to him, we&#039;ve had one of the strongest economies in the world for the past decade.
You remember that recession a while back in the US ? Well we don&#039;t. Get the point ?

From July this year my parents won&#039;t pay tax on their retirement income ever again, like every other over 60 in the country. This has been achieved at the same time that securing funding for the massive, unfunded reserves for public service retirees has been secured. Something that will end up bankrupting economies around the world in the same situation.

We can do this because of the budget surpluses this government has delivered, as opposed to the record deficits delivered by the opposition.

You wanna pretend you could actually swim rather than sink if you did hear why someone does defend the Liberal party&#039;s record then let&#039;s go chump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Notice how ignorant trolls apologize and defend losers like Dubya and Howardâ€¦there must be some reason.<br />
Comment by kasinca â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:55 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>LMAO. You are calling someone else ignorant ? WTF do you know about Howard&#8217;s governance you idiot ?</p>
<p>Why have I been hearing about Clinton taking the economy from rags to riches with paid-off debt and balanced budgets for years now arsehole ? Was it because that was a good thing ? Because it showed the economic responsibility as opposed to the irresponsibility of the other party that ran up that record debt ?</p>
<p>Yeah well, the Australian equivalent of Clinton there was Howard. And because he chose to do the same thing Clinton did, raise taxes and pay off the huge public debt left to him, we&#8217;ve had one of the strongest economies in the world for the past decade.<br />
You remember that recession a while back in the US ? Well we don&#8217;t. Get the point ?</p>
<p>From July this year my parents won&#8217;t pay tax on their retirement income ever again, like every other over 60 in the country. This has been achieved at the same time that securing funding for the massive, unfunded reserves for public service retirees has been secured. Something that will end up bankrupting economies around the world in the same situation.</p>
<p>We can do this because of the budget surpluses this government has delivered, as opposed to the record deficits delivered by the opposition.</p>
<p>You wanna pretend you could actually swim rather than sink if you did hear why someone does defend the Liberal party&#8217;s record then let&#8217;s go chump.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4051718', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: nabalzbbfr</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4051708</link>
		<dc:creator>nabalzbbfr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe this irresponsible trashing of a true American hero. If you believe that this approach will advance your cause, you are completely deluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe this irresponsible trashing of a true American hero. If you believe that this approach will advance your cause, you are completely deluded.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4051708', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4051704</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Turning a corner and last throes, so to speak. Why is Patreaus interfering in Australiaâ€™s elections?

Comment by Fools on the Hill â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:59 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WTF are you talking about ?
A national Australian newspaper interviewed the man most directly responsible for implementing military policy in Iraq, where Australia has troops.

This could only occur if that General decided to screw with Australian elections 2 months out could it ?
No other reason for one of Australia&#039;s major newspapers to interview such a figure ?

A better question would be, why hasn&#039;t the Australian media been banned from Iraq, since this General isn&#039;t the only one who will provide this same story. 

Got any opinion on leaders from the Afghan campaign, in the same situation talking to the same newspaper in the exact same way during the same pre-election period ?
Got fkn anything at all going on in your tiny little brain there ?

Yeah let&#039;s all wonder why Bush would be talking about Howard in the week before he travels to Australia. Or why a country with troops in Iraq might be sending reporters there. Really, the only possible answer is election influence, you idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Turning a corner and last throes, so to speak. Why is Patreaus interfering in Australiaâ€™s elections?</p>
<p>Comment by Fools on the Hill â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:59 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>WTF are you talking about ?<br />
A national Australian newspaper interviewed the man most directly responsible for implementing military policy in Iraq, where Australia has troops.</p>
<p>This could only occur if that General decided to screw with Australian elections 2 months out could it ?<br />
No other reason for one of Australia&#8217;s major newspapers to interview such a figure ?</p>
<p>A better question would be, why hasn&#8217;t the Australian media been banned from Iraq, since this General isn&#8217;t the only one who will provide this same story. </p>
<p>Got any opinion on leaders from the Afghan campaign, in the same situation talking to the same newspaper in the exact same way during the same pre-election period ?<br />
Got fkn anything at all going on in your tiny little brain there ?</p>
<p>Yeah let&#8217;s all wonder why Bush would be talking about Howard in the week before he travels to Australia. Or why a country with troops in Iraq might be sending reporters there. Really, the only possible answer is election influence, you idiots.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4051704', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4051687</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Faiz, Ask Howard Dean about polls four months outâ€¦â€¦I have a feeling Howard will be re-elected when Aussies consider their national security and wallets.
Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:44 pm

Cause Americans really considered those two issues in 2006. Sorry MA you are as delusional as the wanta-be boy king you worship.
Comment by Krazny â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:48 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He might be delusional, but you are an idiot.
Americans voted about something in Congressional elections in 2006 therefor Australian voters..... what ? 
What fkn sense do you think you were making there nimrod ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Faiz, Ask Howard Dean about polls four months outâ€¦â€¦I have a feeling Howard will be re-elected when Aussies consider their national security and wallets.<br />
Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:44 pm</p>
<p>Cause Americans really considered those two issues in 2006. Sorry MA you are as delusional as the wanta-be boy king you worship.<br />
Comment by Krazny â€” August 31, 2007 @ 1:48 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>He might be delusional, but you are an idiot.<br />
Americans voted about something in Congressional elections in 2006 therefor Australian voters&#8230;.. what ?<br />
What fkn sense do you think you were making there nimrod ?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4051687', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: champ</title>
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		<dc:creator>champ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australians are much more political and world aware than Americans.

Howard is out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australians are much more political and world aware than Americans.</p>
<p>Howard is out.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4051461', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill W</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4051109</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, &#039;The Australian&#039; is Rupert Murdoch&#039;s flagship paper that he launched in 1964.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, &#8216;The Australian&#8217; is Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s flagship paper that he launched in 1964.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4051109', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: james k. sayre</title>
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		<dc:creator>james k. sayre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s up in the Down Under? When I visited Oz back in the 1980s everything seemed mellow and progressive. What happened? Are the Australianers still trying to carry White Man&#039;s Burden or what? It would seem that any political support from the lying war-mongering election-stealing Bush would be the kiss of death for politicians in other countries... But, one never knows. Fascism and paranoia make strange bed-fellows...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up in the Down Under? When I visited Oz back in the 1980s everything seemed mellow and progressive. What happened? Are the Australianers still trying to carry White Man&#8217;s Burden or what? It would seem that any political support from the lying war-mongering election-stealing Bush would be the kiss of death for politicians in other countries&#8230; But, one never knows. Fascism and paranoia make strange bed-fellows&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4050882', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought one of the requirements to be a general was to have an advanced degree.  Looks like Petraus has a problem with arithmetic; or to quote his commander(?) in chief: &lt;strong&gt;the math doesn&#039;t work&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought one of the requirements to be a general was to have an advanced degree.  Looks like Petraus has a problem with arithmetic; or to quote his commander(?) in chief: <strong>the math doesn&#8217;t work</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4050754', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: OxyCon</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/31/petraeus-john-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-4050702</link>
		<dc:creator>OxyCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just love the way Bush utilizes Rupert Murdoch&#039;s global right wing propaganda organization. Without Murdoch&#039;s right wing propaganda, there would be no Bush presidency or Howard for that matter.
Murdoch provides these losers with free campaign commercials 24 hours a day. Something very wrong with this picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just love the way Bush utilizes Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s global right wing propaganda organization. Without Murdoch&#8217;s right wing propaganda, there would be no Bush presidency or Howard for that matter.<br />
Murdoch provides these losers with free campaign commercials 24 hours a day. Something very wrong with this picture.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4050702', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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