‘The truth about my dead brother.’
‘The truth about my dead brother.’
Dante Zeppala writes a Daily Kos diary about his brother, Army Sgt. Sherwood Baker, who was killed in Iraq in 2004:
He was killed two weeks after he sent that e-mail when a paint factory exploded. The mission had been aborted several times before because of safety concerns. Under the direction of a British Captain, they went looking for WMD. Sherwood saved lives, I’m told, of soldiers and an Iraqi translator.
That was over three years ago. Now, in light of Ari Fleischer’s latest propaganda campaign to continue the unabated bloodshed, I’m seeing my big brother out there again–his sacrifice somehow becoming a reason for more sacrifice, his death used to justify more death. It doesn’t make sense to me, and it wouldn’t make sense to Sher, either. [...]
Does Fleischer even know who our primary military targets and threats in Iraq are? Does he know the actual amount of foreign Al Qaeda members in Iraq?
It doesn’t matter. It didn’t matter to him in 2003, when he told lie after lie selling this war to the American public. It doesn’t matter now. This is about ideology for him, not humanity.
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August 31st, 2007 at 12:11 am“It doesn’t matter. It didn’t matter to him in 2003, when he told lie after lie”
What lies is TP referring to? Be specific?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:16 amMichael, here’s some lies — specifically:
http://thinkprogress.org/cincinnati-bungles/
August 31st, 2007 at 12:19 am“Actually, it’s about saving humanity from the savages.
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007″
Mr P, these liberal idiots won’t realize this until a dirty bomb goes off in their city, then then will go running and crying, protect me! protect me!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:22 amdont embolden ari the retard.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:24 amAri is being paid to say what he says it’s all about the money. Notice how those who take up this illegal invasion never went to the Military. Most of the talk about who the enemy is the White House doesn’t even know. 9/11 attack was done by many Saudis yes our friends. Iraqis are fighting each other but the media and White House put Al Queada in it to bring fear to the American people. Look the enemy got their weapons from the USA. 190,000 weapons missing and in the hands of the enemy given by the USA.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:25 amIran is in position to come in and help PM Maliki so all this talk about stay the course will end as the US is kicked out of Iraq. Oh Bush wants 50 billion dollars and it’s not for the soldiers or Iraq.
“Michael, here’s some lies — specifically:
http://thinkprogress.org/cincinnati-bungles/
Comment by Jack — August 31, 2007″
Jack stop waisting my time by pointing me to a liberal blog like TP to support your theory that he lied. Tell me in your words where he lied and BACK IT UP WITH PROOF, otherwise crawl back into your cave with your friend bin laden and stop wasting my time!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:26 amThe left using a dead soldier to advance their surrender ideology. Nice.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:26 am“Notice how those who take up this illegal invasion never went to the Military.
Comment by Jackie — August 31, 2007″
How was it illegal?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:28 am“The left using a dead soldier to advance their surrender ideology. Nice.
Comment by Frank J — August 31, 2007″
Are you surprised? They’re cowards!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:29 amWhat lies is TP referring to? Be specific?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:16 am
All of them. Everything out of the White House through Ari Fleischer’s lying mouth. It not a question of what the lies were, it’s a question of where was the truth? The truth was not allowed in the press room, or in the White House. Every single rationale was made up. WMD, zero. Terrorists, zero. Democracy, zero. Saddam a danger, zero. Iraqis stand up, zero. All lies. So many brothers, sons, fathers, sisters dead for lies. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Lies, proven over and over again to be spin and bullshit. If we hadn’t gone in, nothing would have happened, saddam was contained, the insections were nearly over, and not a single weapon worth anything had been found. Dropping 120,000 troops into Afghanistan would have finished Osama and the Taliban, once and for all. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would have electicity, medicine, their families, their lives.
Are you the same dolt as p? If so, then here’s another thing: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was an excuse for a mass-murderer to enrich his defense contracting buddies. Saving humanity from the savages will start with the impeachment and hanging of Bush and Cheney. They are the savages, still cozying up to the Saudis, who were responsible for 9/11. P, you are an ignorant savage, and a coward as well. You are less than human, and lower than a dog turd. You think you’re funny but you’re a sad case of penis envy and chickenshit hot air. Everything you say is a lie, and an insane, cowardly psychotic case of willfull ignorance, while you cheer on the deaths of our troops. Yu’ll get yours, I’ll bet. Somebody will shut you up once and for all, and soon, I hope.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:30 amMichael, I guess it was asking too much for you to actually read something that responded to your question. The proof is there if you care to look.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:30 amNo I’m not surprised. They hate Bush so much they are willing to side with Islamo Fascists.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:31 am“It doesn’t matter. It didn’t matter to him in 2003, when he told lie after lieâ€
What lies is TP referring to? Be specific?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:16 am
The quote is not TP’s, it’s from the Daily Kos diary.
Michael, you’re a waste of everyone’s time.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:32 am“The proof is there if you care to look.
Comment by Jack — August 31, 2007″
No jack, I want to see how smart/dumb you are? Explain it to me in your words, if you can?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:33 amHow was it illegal?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:28 am
If you don’t know that, then you are incapable of recognizing facts and truth. It was against international AND domestic law, and the Nuremburg trials were based on the illegality of attacking a sovereign nation without provocation. Now you stop wasting our time, you stupid pig. You’re an asshole, and a professional one, from the looks of it. You’re a waste of carbon, and a one-trick, remarkably stupid, pony.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 am“It doesn’t matter. It didn’t matter to him in 2003, when he told lie after lieâ€
What lies is TP referring to? Be specific?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Can you not read? This wasn’t TP’s comment, it’s part of the quote from the Daily Kos diary entry being discussed. If you’ve got a problem weith the diary post, then go to Daily kos and complain to them.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 amSomeone at TP must be monitoring tonight–a certain troll’s comments were certainly deleted in a hurry!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by michael
wow, you have no reading comprehension at all, do you?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 amAre you surprised? They’re cowards!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:29 am
I’m not
August 31st, 2007 at 12:34 amMichael, you’re a waste of everyone’s time.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — August 31, 2007″
Why? Because you can’t explain? How’s wayne? Still hiding under his bed?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:35 amOMG, is Michael Weiner Savage pointing to TP now? Where in the world did all of the kool-aid drinkers come from?
The usual slurs, misdirects, and strawmen arguments.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:35 amwith Islamo Fascists.
Comment by Frank J — August 31, 2007 @ 12:31 am
There is no such creature, Frank, you ignorant hack, you coward. You are siding with the enemy by not fighting them. You are living proof there is no enemy except what Bush has created. Any patriot worth the name would enlist to do battle agains such a monstrous enemy as the “Islamofascists”. There are no islamofascists, and you are no patriot.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:37 am“I’m not
Comment by dbadass — August 31, 2007″
It’s pretty obvious!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:37 amIt’s pretty obvious!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:37 am
Well I knew I was not a coward but I had no idea it was so obvious that I was not a coward. Thanks for the insight
August 31st, 2007 at 12:39 am“The usual slurs, misdirects, and strawmen arguments.
Comment by eLad in MO — August 31, 2007″
What slurs?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:40 amI read the post on TP which was selective at best. But most interesting were the reports they site came after the Bush speech in Cincinnati. A speech that repeated many of the same points made by Bill Clinton, John Kerry and Algore.
I found that interesting.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:40 am“wow, you have no reading comprehension at all, do you?
Comment by Wayne — August 31, 2007″
Let’s assume that I don’t? So I’m depending on you to explain it to me. Can you?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:41 am“Thanks for the insight
Comment by dbadass — August 31, 2007″
Anytime! But you’re a liberal, so it’s assumed that you are a coward.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:43 amWhat lies is TP referring to? Be specific?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:16 am
What do you need clarification about? Be specific? If not grammatically correct for an adult?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:44 am“There are no islamofascists
Comment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007″
What an incredible idiot you are!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:45 amAnytime! But you’re a liberal, so it’s assumed that you are a coward.Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Anytime! But you’re retarded, so it’s assumed your statements are insanely irrelevant!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:45 amWhat slurs?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:40 am
What isn’t a slur? Be specific?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:45 amIt’s pretty obvious!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:37 am
Yes, it is obvious he’s not a coward. It’s as obvious as the fact that you are a coward and a traitor to your country. You would have avoided service in WW2, I just realized. That’s how craven a coward you are. You would surrender rather than fight. And you call us surrender monkeys? That’s too funny; it’s clear that you have already surrendered, like Bush did to Bin laden on 9/11. Complete and utter surrender and capitulation; flew his family out, pulled the troops out of Saudi Arabia, cancelled the search, let OBL escape. That’s who you follow, a real surrender monkey. You are the King Of Cowards, and the Lord Of Losers. You preside over a court of useless whores: useless p, michael the moron, r- the emptyheaded, all traitors and supporters of Al Qaeda, cheerleaders for more dead troops, and useless in fighting your enemy. One Vichy Frenchman has more courage than all of you put together.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:46 am“What do you need clarification about? Be specific?
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — August 31, 2007″
That’s easy! Any ridiculous liberal accusation you dopes make!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:46 amIf Craig resigns, William Jefferson should resign too. If he doesn’t we should demand it. It’s hypocritical for the Dems to keep Jefferson in power and we should run on that issue in 2008.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Then you’ll call for Tubes to resign too? Or does your hypocrisy only run to criticizing dems?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:46 amThat’s easy! Any ridiculous liberal accusation you dopes make!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:46 am
Which accusation? Be specific? Not so easy, eh retard?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:47 amComment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:41 am
There should be a special category for michael.
Comment? by? michael? — August? 31?, 2007? @ 12:41? am?
Ah, that’s better. Because this is michael? never post facts? just pretend to the socratic method?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:47 amIt’s pretty obvious!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:37 am
It is? To whom? Be specific?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amWhat an incredible idiot you are!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Why? What’s an islamo-fascist? Where can I find one? How do you know one if you see one? How is fascism part of Islam? Explain.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amNo jack, I want to see how smart/dumb you are? Explain it to me in your words, if you can?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:33 am
How would michael be able to comprehend how smart/dumb anyone else is?
Explain it to me in your own words, michael.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amRE: #26
#4: “liberal idiots”
#8: “The left using a dead soldier to advance their surrender ideology”
#10: “cowards”
#13: “They hate Bush so much they are willing to side with Islamo Fascists”
Need more?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amI just reported the troll michaelIsRetarded to TP administrators. It is a violation of TOS to use somebody else’s handle in your handle.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:47 am
It is? Where in the TOS does it say that? Be specific?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amIf Craig resigns, William Jefferson should resign too. If he doesn’t we should demand it. It’s hypocritical for the Dems to keep Jefferson in power and we should run on that issue in 2008.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:45 am
We? You’re running for office? They still using dog catchers in VA? You will have to leave mom’s basement in order to run, and then what happens if you’re elected?
Idiot, it’s the Republicans pressing Craig to resign.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:49 amI have to say it: I admired Pat Tillman before I knew anything but the official story about him. It hurt a little, because I believed the war was wrong, but there was the picture of a man following his beliefs, walking the walk.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:49 amThen I read his brother’s eulogy to him.If I had been grudging before, now I was just plain miserable. What was a man like that doing dead?
You can learn a lot from a brother.
I just reported the troll michaelIsRetarded to TP administrators. It is a violation of TOS to use somebody else’s handle in your handle. Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:47 am
So then anyone that’s posted here ever as Sonny or Red, you’ve violated? Or does your hypocrisy only lean towards your attacks on unconvicted congressmen while protecting those that have admitted to crimes (Vitter, Craig)?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:49 am“Yes, it is obvious he’s not a coward. It’s as obvious as the fact that you are a coward and a traitor to your country. You would have avoided service in WW2, I just realized. That’s how craven a coward you are. You would surrender rather than fight. And you call us surrender monkeys? That’s too funny; it’s clear that you have already surrendered, like Bush did to Bin laden on 9/11. Complete and utter surrender and capitulation; flew his family out, pulled the troops out of Saudi Arabia, cancelled the search, let OBL escape. That’s who you follow, a real surrender monkey. You are the King Of Cowards, and the Lord Of Losers. You preside over a court of useless whores: useless p, michael the moron, r- the emptyheaded, all traitors and supporters of Al Qaeda, cheerleaders for more dead troops, and useless in fighting your enemy. One Vichy Frenchman has more courage than all of you put together.
Comment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007″
Ron your public school education is showing! Should we have allowed bin laden’s family to stay here so people like me could tear them limb from limb? We all know that you cowards would have fed them milk and cookies.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:50 amFrom reading the material supplied by TP itself the idea that Bush lied about anything in regard to Saddam is simply laughable. He depended on the exact same data used by Bill Clinton to launch a cruise missle attack on Iraq in 1998.
So both Clinton and Bush lied?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:50 amI just reported the troll michaelIsRetarded to TP administrators. It is a violation of TOS to use somebody else’s handle in your handle.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:47 am
I guess “Wayne” and “Wayne A. Schneider” have a problem then.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:50 amNo jack, I want to see how smart/dumb you are? Explain it to me in your words, if you can? Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:33 am
No michael, we want to see how smart/dumb you are? Explain it to me in your words, if you can, what this question means?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:50 am#
I just reported the troll michaelIsRetarded to TP administrators. It is a violation of TOS to use somebody else’s handle in your handle.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Really? Please point to that information. Be specific.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:51 amI got an email from Dr. Dog. He will be posting soon.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Ah, bestiality, yet another GOP pet love fest.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:51 am“Explain it to me in your own words, michael.
Comment by Zooey — August 31, 2007″
Just answer my question? I think everybody already knows they won’t get much of an intelligent response from a child like you!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:52 amThat’s easy! Any ridiculous liberal accusation you dopes make!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:46 am
What is a liberal accusation? What is a liberal? How is liberalism measured. Is this a liberal blog? if so, is everyone on it liberal, including you? Why are we dopes, especially in light of the fact that you seem to have no answers, only questions? Doesn’t that make you, in fact and deed, the dope?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:52 amronjazz = al-Kaida operative
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Mr Pee = submoronic loser
August 31st, 2007 at 12:52 amRon your public school education is showing! Should we have allowed bin laden’s family to stay here so people like me could tear them limb from limb? We all know that you cowards would have fed them milk and cookies. Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Michael your lack of education is showing! Should we have allowed bin laden’s family to stay here for law enforcement to question? What, there’s no place safe to store them? How about your house since you wingnuts love osama so much?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:52 amJust answer my question? I think everybody already knows they won’t get much of an intelligent response from a child like you!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:52 am
You answer the question? michael?
We’re still haven’t seen an intelligent response from you ever. Have we? Be specific.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:53 amJust answer my question? I think everybody already knows they won’t get much of an intelligent response from a child like you! Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Just answer any question? You don’t think, yet everybody already knows they won’t get much of an intelligent response from a child like you!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:53 amNo. This is not a liberal blog. I am a liberal, who cares about America.
You all are moonbat, traitors, and unAmerican. Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:53 am
Mr. Pee is here hallucinating from his latest meth hit…
August 31st, 2007 at 12:54 am“especially in light of the fact that you seem to have no answers, only questions? Doesn’t that make you, in fact and deed, the dope?
Comment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007″
I’m not here to answer stupid questions. I’m here to challenge stupid statements! And there are plenty of them!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:54 amCool! I miss the Dr.!
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Just tap your foot, he’s in the next stall.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:54 amCool! I miss the Dr.!
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Really? Can’t you keep track of your socks? I hate it when I lose a sock, that’s why I only have white socks. Why do you feel so stupid, Mr Pee? Is it because you really are stupid? Or do you just pretend to be stupid because it’s too hard to be intelligent? Be specific.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:54 amRon your public school education is showing! Should we have allowed bin laden’s family to stay here so people like me could tear them limb from limb? We all know that you cowards would have fed them milk and cookies.
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Would people like you actually lift a finger against anyone you perceive as dangerous? It appears not, from the pacifists in attendance here representing the right wing of the coward party. How do you know a) that we are cowards, and b) that we would feed the Bin Ladens milk and cookies. What kind of cookies? Islamofascist Fig Newton’s? Be specific?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:55 amI’m not here to answer stupid questions. I’m here to challenge stupid statements! And there are plenty of them! Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:54 am
You don’t answer or ask any questions, but your questions are stupid – nice projection! You aren’t here to ‘challenge’, just to WHINE…
Tap your foot michael, Mr. Pee is looking for the TP on the floor next to you…
August 31st, 2007 at 12:55 amI’m not here to answer stupid questions. I’m here to challenge stupid statements! And there are plenty of them!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Why not answer your own stupid questions? Challenge your own stupid statements? Rise above your own stupidity? Be specific.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:55 amJust answer my question? I think everybody already knows they won’t get much of an intelligent response from a child like you!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:52 am
I’ll take you seriously when you can use proper punctuation — on a consistent basis.
Now, answer my question!
August 31st, 2007 at 12:56 amYou got that right!
Michael, did you notice that TP took down all of my posts that said the US should not surrender?
Hmmm… I wonder what type of people (traitors) are running TP….
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Why would TP care about the traiterous anti-american statements you made on behalf of Osama?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:57 amI’ll take you seriously when you can use proper punctuation — on a consistent basis.
Now, answer my question!
Comment by Zooey — August 31, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Ah, the irony of the grammatically challenged crazy wingnut lecturing others on ‘education’….
August 31st, 2007 at 12:57 amI’m here to challenge stupid statements! And there are plenty of them!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Point out a stupid statement that hasn’t been made by a rightard, and explain why it’s stupid. Be specific, and provide facts and links.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:58 amronjazz, are you overdosing again?
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:56 am
He’s not part of your family reunion…
August 31st, 2007 at 12:58 amu r stoopid.
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Whereas you are stupid…
August 31st, 2007 at 12:58 am“It doesn’t matter. It didn’t matter to him in 2003, when he told lie after lieâ€
What lies is TP referring to? Be specific?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Did you bother to go to the diary and read it? If you did, you would have noticed that the words “lie after lie” has a link to a place where you can get your answers. Since you don’t trust our “public school education”, then why don’t you just go out and find your own answers? Come back when you have some, and not before.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:59 am“No jack, I want to see how smart/dumb you are? Explain it to me in your words, if you can?
Comment by michael “
Why would anyone bother. Talking to you reptards is like talking to a brick wall. There is only one truth to you and that’s what you want to believe is the truth. It doesn’t matter that there is ample proof that what you believe is a lie, you have to make it the truth because if you don’t, your poor miserable world will come tumbling down on your head.
I hope you are here in January, 2009 when the new Democratic President takes office. I will laugh at you and feel very sorry for you. You are a truly pitiful creature.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:01 amAh, p, starting the monkey-liar’s dance again. Excellent, I was so looking forward to you dancing to my tune, responding to my every whim, making an utter fool of yourself. And all for free. This is a blessing. dance, p, dance! Up on your toes, spin, pirouette, show off your pretty pink tutu and matching slippers!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:01 ammichaelIsRetarded = an idiot troll
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:58 am
You already cornered the market on idiot trolls, Mr. PeePee.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:02 amHello, is Wayne here?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 31, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Oh, look, it’s the coward no-show Dr. Dogpoo. Or, as we like to call him, Dr. Sockpuppet.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:03 ammichaelIsRetarded = an idiot troll
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Oh, the irony….
August 31st, 2007 at 1:04 amAh, the monkey-liar’s dance continues, with p dancing with herself in the roles of sonny and the ball-licker. This will be great fun, now get going, p, don’t slack off, the music is getting faster and faster, and your fat little legs are going to have to work harder to keep up, especially playing three roles. Dance to my tune, liar, don’t run away like you usually do! Don’t let your drug-addled brain let you fall and crush your pretty pink tutu, p, or sonny red will get mad after all the time he spent gluing it back together after the last meltdown. Dance, p dance! Twirl the dr. dog around until he finds the gym he forgot to meet Wayne at, spin, spin, spin! Cluck like a chicken, it’s the way we’ll know it’s you! Faster,p faster!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:08 amWasn’t Wayne the no show?
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:06 am
No. You really should pay more attention.
A reliable person (in other words, not a troll or sock puppet) spoke to him on the phone after calling the gym. Dr. Dogpoo was logged in from his computer somewhere else, probably Virginia.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:08 amgummitch = ronjazz
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Really? Amazing. And neither of us even knew.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:09 amDogshit is in Virginia?
Now I understand.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:09 amTo the people who run Think Progress.
Is this really what you want your site to be?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:10 amwell, let us see. republicans are christians and bush is a born again christians and he was put into office by christians and supported by christians, even after he supported torture and killed through the use of an illegal war and christians follow blindly. yeah, i can see how it all happened. lie , lie, lie…get money, lie more…get people killed, lie more, get more money and do what for america? um…put us into a debt which is the greatest ever and was created from the largest surplus…wow. now, we are in debt to china? then china sells us lead toys and kill our animals ….what bush..you need another 50 billion….ok…ask the blind, they will give it to you.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:10 amall those that want war and support it…go fight. they are the cowards and they are not americans. they are just terrorist in another land or terrorist wanna be’s. did anyone catch the youtube video with all the college aged republicans supporting war but when asked why they are not fighting if they support it so much….they had excuse after excuse. cowards…period. this seems to run in those that have faith. when it comes down to actually doing anything…they make an excuse.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:13 amRonjazz is sucking down meth like coca cola.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:11 am
You need a new routine.
*yawn*
August 31st, 2007 at 1:13 amSeed? I remember her, she was the retard. kept getting things wrong, her term for lying through her tooth.
So sonny, if I recall correctly from last time, I think it was your turn to lick Dog’s balls, but you were having trouble finding them, as he does. Now what? You can’t lick your own for the same reason, according to p. No wonder you spend so much time here, sniffing each others asses. it’s time to dance, get on with it!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:14 amComment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:14 am
Thanks for your “concern.”
I’ve got it handled.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:16 amReally? Amazing. And neither of us even knew.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:13 am
That’s what happens when you take all the meth at once. Now you’ll have to go turn tricks to get some more. How will you carry all those quarters?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:17 amDon’t you have school early, cutie pie?
Comment by Sonny Red —
eeww….. getting creepy, Red…
August 31st, 2007 at 1:18 amYou have your nose so far up Larry Craig’s crotch you look like Monica.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Larry Craig’s a rightard, no use for women. Nice try, though, for a meth head. get to work, those quarters aren’t going to collect themselves.
anybody seen michael? heh.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:18 amThis is like watching a train wreck.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:21 amYou’ve been sniffing around Craig’s balls for days now. Find anything yet, perve? Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:19 am
Yeah, we found you, to no one’s surprise…
August 31st, 2007 at 1:21 amYou would know. Look, you are the meth head. Don’t lecture others.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:19 am
Sure thing Rev. Haggard, you just keep telling yourself that!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:22 amYes, I believe that was the case. Then Shane lied about owning a fax machine.
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:17 am
jesus, p, everybody owns a fax machine. Not you? Go get those quarters, you’ll be able to afford one someday, if you stop blowing it all on cheap drugs. Craig’s got some quarters for you, he has no standards, you’ll do just fine. Get to the airport men’s room, he’s waiting for you and sonny. Will he be surprised to find out you’re both the same methed-out, toothless loser in a tutu.
Not that it will matter to him. He’s GOP, the new GOP saying: “If it’s a he, it’s for me!”.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:23 amOh, look, it’s the coward no-show Dr. Dogpoo. Or, as we like to call him, Dr. Sockpuppet.
Comment by gummitch — August 31, 2007 @ 1:03 am
A republican chickenhawk coward! How shocking!!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:23 amYou’re going to be all sleepy in class and flunk out.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:18 am
No, that was you. And you were in the wrong classroom for at least half an hour.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:24 amYeah, that’s what I thought. Dog waited a couple hours for Wayne and he never showed up.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:21 am
BAHAHA, SURE!!!! Another pathetic lying wingnut – who’s shocked? NOONE!!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:25 amHow was it illegal?
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:28 am
hey mickey – how about you giving us some proof justifying the invasion – did you think it was legal? – tell us – give us some facts
August 31st, 2007 at 1:25 amLibs are homophobes.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:24 am
BAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA, stop, you’ll cause a rupture from how stupid you are, and how funny that is!!!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:25 amDiscussing “accountability” for education results in New Orleans yesterday, President Bush reiterated one of his favorite sound bites, “It’s what I call challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations.” Alas, not when it comes to the President himself and certainly not when the subject is the progress in Iraq.
For the details on why the White House wants the GAO to grade Bush’s Iraq surge on a curve, see:
August 31st, 2007 at 1:26 am“White House: Bush Deserves ‘Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations’ on Iraq.”
A republican chickenhawk coward! How shocking!!
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — August 31, 2007 @ 1:23 am
Are you ready for this? He’s also a liar! I’m shocked, I tell you.
Look at the two meth heads creating their own reality, just like cokehead drunken loser Bush. next thing you know, they’ll claim we’re winning in Iraq, those jokers.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:26 amWhy even bother going to class? You are just going to flunk anyway.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Oh? How’s that going to happen?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:28 amMichael Moore’s movie, SICKO seems to be getting scarce…can not easily find it on the internet as I used to… A caller on Mike Malloy’s show also made the same comments and also said it is rumored that Big Pharma bought off many of the SICKO movies so they would not be shown…
Anyway Mike Malloy said he will spend some time on this subject tomorrow night.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:29 amYou’re not smart enough to retain information for a test.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:29 am
You’re going to have to prove that, or it’s a lie.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:30 amLibs are homophobes.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:24 am
Well, you guys sure talk that game, but you go down on a dick faster than Bush on a beer. Is it a requirement to be a closeted homosexual to belong to the GOP, or just a coincidence? Our gays are pretty happy with their orientation, since they’ve learned to live with it, and we’ve learned to let them alone with their lives, as befitting a free country. Why are y8our gays always hiding? There are so many of them, they should get to know each other, instead of trying to score cops. Probably the closest they’ll ever get to a uniform.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:30 amCan you source any of this? If not, it’s a lie. Your choice, methmouth.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:28 am
Haven’t you ever watched one of his dog and pony “press conferences”? he’s drunk and coke-addled all the time. Can barely stand, mumbles, makes up words, is belligerent and cantankerous, and never has an answer to a question. Your president is a drunk and a drug addict, it’s clear for all to see.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:33 amSonny Red, dumb ass part of the problem IS, IS that it is not showing … What? Can’t you read? What is your problem?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:34 amhe’s drunk and coke-addled all the time.
Comment by ronjazz
Liar.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:35 am
I’m glad you brought that up. Yes, he’s also a liar. I didn’t bother including that because it’s common knowledge worldwide, but thanks for clarifying. i thought you liked him, quelle surprise!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:38 amSonny Red, not only are you a dumb ass, a letcher, you have problems reading, but from what you were able to read, you completely missed the point. The point is Big Pharma may have bought out many of Moore’s documentaries so the public can not see them. Now is that the kind of world you want to live in?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:42 amSonny Red
more lessons tomorrow… got to go.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:46 amLay off the meth. You’re delerious.
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:40 am
poor, poor p. No answers, no comeback but to create its own reality, based on desperation and fantasy. I spell pretty well for a druggy, don’t you think? And my grammar is impeccable, save the occasional typo. And I have a clear, concise logic to my thoughts, and a devastating wit, which you are completely unprepared for, thus the name-calling and meltdowns. Face it, p, I am superior to you in every way; I have no need for lies and propaganda, and I see right through your puerile attempts at pretending to be smart. In fact, all the libs here are far superior to you and your sockpuppets, and leave you in the dust every day and every night. It’s not even difficult, but it is totally deserved because of your rude, crass behavior. We have only contempt for your chickenhawk palaver and deserting coward of a fake president. You are putty in anyone’s hands, victims of your own fear and ignorance.
Goodnight, now!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:47 amI can tell by the layout that you are typing it first on Word or some word processing program and pasting it here.
It’s a pathetic thing to do, but I never thought to even bring it up until now.
Hit the road and score more meth, methmouth!
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:50 am
What’s pathetic is all of the lunatic projections, paranoia and dumbsh!t comments like yours! What’s wrong, slow night in the public bathrooms?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:54 amYou got that right!\
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:53 am
Ah, Mr. Pee, you can’t regulate your bowels!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:54 amI just started a political blog (actually, I’m still designing it).
Here is the address:
http://djkonservo.wordpress.com
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:53 am
Ah, like there aren’t enough delusional wingnut blogs that no one visits -you have to start another!!!! ZZZZzzzzz…..
August 31st, 2007 at 1:55 amp, that was very funny! I had to laugh at the lengths to which you will go to make a complete ass of yourself, as if I would spend one extra second cutting and pasting while dealing with an idiot like you.
Thanks for the laugh, I will save this exchange for the amusement of the intelligent folk that will be here tomorrow. You know, the liberals. They’ll get a good giggle as well. I’ll call it “this is p’s brain on meth”.
You’re so pathetic.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:56 amThat’s right, now I remember. Wayne left Dr. Dog all alone in some gym in Texas. Shameful.
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:43 am
Ah, more chickenhawk excuses for why you wingnuts are too cowardly to show up! You lie about showing up!!! BAHAHA, what a pathetic little coward you are Mr. PEEEEE!!!
August 31st, 2007 at 1:56 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi7UUJ6cwLQ
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:54 am
http://www.amazon.com
Read something that doesn’t preclude your wingnut brainrot – ok retard?
August 31st, 2007 at 1:57 amotherwise crawl back into your cave with your friend bin laden and stop wasting my time!
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:26 am
ha ha, funny stuff.
Now quit yackin and polish your jackboots.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:58 amNow quit yackin and polish your jackboots.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 31, 2007 @ 1:58 am
I ran michael off quite a while ago. Now p is talking to herself in the guise of sonny, and the self-congratulatory jerking off is waking up Larry Craig.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:01 amI know! It was actually Dr. Dog’s idea, so I can’t take all the credit. But it is a great idea!!!
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:58 am
Yea thats a real brainbuster idea. Start a blog.
No ones ever thought of that idea before.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:01 amAh… there aren’t enough [patriotic] blogs… you have to start another!!!! ….
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — August 31, 2007 @ 1:55 am
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I know! It was actually Dr. Dog’s idea, so I can’t take all the credit. But it is a great idea!!!
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:58 am
There aren’t any patriotic blogs on the right, because there are no patriots on the right. You’re going to add more lies and ignorance to the pile of turds that are already out there at redstate and lgf? well, enjoy, you’ll be the only three reading it, Sybil Sockpuppet.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:03 amand the self-congratulatory jerking off is waking up Larry Craig.
Comment by ronjazz — August 31, 2007 @ 2:01 am
I thought Craig only liked the bathroom stuff?
August 31st, 2007 at 2:03 amYea thats a real brainbuster idea. Start a blog.
No ones ever thought of that idea before.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 31, 2007 @ 2:01 am
On top of that, a team effort. They probably have to wipe each other’s asses, too. Or do they lick them? I’ll have to email Larry Craig to find out.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:05 amYou know what the republicans problem is RonJazz? They’re in the wrong line of work. They should be in gay porn.
They’d make a mint.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:06 amI thought Craig only liked the bathroom stuff?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 31, 2007 @ 2:03 am
Well, he has to look else where now that he’s outed. p is a perfect candidate. Drug-addled, stupid, starved for attention, a coward, thus easily threatened. Larry’s been at this a long time, he’ll find sonny p.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:07 amThey’d make a mint.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 31, 2007 @ 2:06 am
They do. marriott hotels, etc. funding repuke campaigns with all kinds of porn. they prey on children as well.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:09 amBut I digress. This topic of this thread is too solemn for the usual fare. The fact is I’ve been saying for years what Dante Zeppalla is saying.
The only way the Bush administration has to honor the sacrifice of our troops, is to sacrifice more troops.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:10 amBush is an animal, a monster. It’s awful.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:12 amNow watch. Dante will probably attend a Bush speech and wear a shirt calling for a pulloiut from Iraq, and Bush will have him arrested. We know how much Bush hates family members of dead US Soldiers.
He hates Sheehan, Tillman and now Zeppala.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:23 amGreiving surviving family members don’t quite fit in with the “shock and awe” image of the Bush regime.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:27 amI know! It was actually Dr. Dog’s idea, so I can’t take all the credit. But it is a great idea!!!
Comment by Mr. P — August 31, 2007 @ 1:58 am
A patriotic blog on the right – wow, that WOULD be novel. Unfortunately you and the Cowardly Dog aren’t patriotic, so what liberal are you going to hire to run it?
August 31st, 2007 at 2:29 amIt will be patriotic alright.
Just to the wrong country.
If this were 1938 Germany, they’d be real patriots.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:31 amThey’d be doing the “guten tag hop clop”.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:32 amIt will be patriotic alright.
Just to the wrong country.
If this were 1938 Germany, they’d be real patriots.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 31, 2007 @ 2:31 am
The poor little wingnuts always confuse nationalism with patriotism, they could use a dictionary. Then again that presumes literacy and intent. What can expect from people predisposed to pathological lying though?
August 31st, 2007 at 2:49 amWe know how much Bush hates family members of dead US Soldiers.
He hates Sheehan, Tillman and now Zeppala.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
August 31st, 2007 at 2:54 am—————————————
Bush killed Tillman just like in the Sopranos
Comment by Ichthus
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Heads up on this poster
Watch out for this messiah type (Ichthus) here.
He givest me the creepus.
Sounds like he might have his own Kool-Aid team it you know what I mean.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:57 amMaybe he is harmless or just looking for some new followers.
Not only does Bush hate all the military but he also hates the WHITE MAN…. Yep since the military overwhelmingly votes for BUSH,,, and hates him like BARLEBEE said then the WHITE MAN must hate him too…
Considering he was voted into office again,,, there are many other groups that must really hate this guy as well.
Funny,,, voting for someone you HATE…
August 31st, 2007 at 3:01 amWhy did’nt anybody HATE FDR… in WW2,,, they really screwed up that war,,,, 500,000 deaths,,,, and for what?
FDR even got us into it for nothin,,, You think our LENDLEASE plan to ENGLAND was also extended to GERMANY or JAPAN,,,,, ha,,, we were in no way neutral.
The Japs even had claims on HAWAII before we stole it…
All this and nobody Hated FDR…. why? NO LIBERALS
August 31st, 2007 at 3:05 amWHEN IS TP GOING TO ACTUALLY START GIVING FREE ADVERTISING TO GENUINE PROGRESSIVE POLITICIANS INSTEAD OF CONTINUALLY GIVING NAME RECOGNITION STORIES TO REPUBLICANS?
August 31st, 2007 at 3:07 amLET’S HEAR MORE ABOUT DENNIS KUCINICH AND MORE ABOUT HILLARY CARE IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO ADVERTISE SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE PAID FOR WITH HIGHER TAXATION ON THE WEALTHY (as they do in Europe where EVERYONE gets universal healthcare!).
Let’s get really progressive and stop constantly advertising Republicans and their war…
All the crap to hate in WW2,,, not neutral, 500,000 deaths vs. 4000 IRAQ, Real sacrifice vs. fake sacrifice,,,
All this and yet no HATE on FDR….. hmmmm
August 31st, 2007 at 3:11 amI guess the country believed he did the RIGHT thing….
SILLY THEM. thinking they are the greatest generation and all,,,,,
Considering they had no LIBERALS back then they MUST BE the greatest generation. If they had our society today back then,,,, they’d be debating over whether JAPAN treats thier GAYS better than we do…. (and of course ignoring outside threats)
shirley,,,, are you under the impression that DEMOCRATS can win on thier own IDEAS. Everyone knows that for demo’s to win they must complain. That is what it means to be a DEMOCRAT.
TP knows this and thus they only try to tear down the other side…. Rather smart on thier part… (they do win a fair amount on this strategy)
August 31st, 2007 at 3:15 amwhat income do you make? do you know what hillary’s healthcare plan considers WEALTHY?
August 31st, 2007 at 3:19 amWould you be KAPICH with it if SHE considers YOU a WEALTHY individual worthy of this TAX?
“Called into service in 2004, he was protecting the Iraq Survey Group as they looked for WMD, even after our President made a big joke out of the fact they did not exist.” Dante Zeppala
August 31st, 2007 at 3:22 amThis from a soldier’s family.
Bush is disgusting.
We all know how the DEMO’s do when they try and divide society into the haves and have nots….
The have nots hope to someday be the haves. Thus the DEMO’s lose on both sides.
If i were the DEMO’s and i wanted to win,,, concentrate on the WAR and the $ revolved around it…. the conservatives are pissed about a free spending congress.
Whatever you do as a DEMO… don’t pitch your own plan (they are always worse than the REPUB),,, just criticize and complain… no specifics just generalities.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:25 amehhh ebbandflow,,,,
We lost over 2,000 soldiers in training exercises in WW2… TRAINING,,,, OLD FDR just sat in his wheelchair and laughed about it…
Just ask my GRANDPA he saw it himself….
August 31st, 2007 at 3:29 amMakes BUSH look like a saint in comparison….
“Comment by scooter — August 31, 2007 @ 3:25 am”
You may just want to pay attention to the thread:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:33 amThe troops and their families are being critical of this administrations ineptitude.
Can we please get a better comment system ?!?!
This is terrible. You cant really tell who is replying to what. Even if every other response was just a different shade.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:49 amare all these trolls…hicks, oil / military defense employees or pentagon news manipulators…on here? its hard to figure out looking at all this mis-information in these comments. fix this comment system please.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:04 amI know I shouldn’t be surprised, but I am. That chickenhawk war supporters would hijack a thread about a family in pain. Would mock the dead and their families. Would refuse to even read the comments of a young man who misses his older brother and questions the real reasons for his sacrifice, and questions the motives of those like Ari who are parading the images of other big brothers, sons, and husbands to further a political agenda.
I am thoroughly confident that the moral majority is neither.
August 31st, 2007 at 6:52 am> what lies?
we know where the weapons are. we know without a doubt that saddam hussien was WMD. they are north, south, and east of tikrit. saddam hussien has nuclear weapons technology and is trying to pursue a bomb and get uranium from niger.
micheal, people hardly ever answer your questions here because you ask things that have been discussed, dissected, and debunked over and over and over.
I know you think your accomplishing some mighty goal by challenging us here, but the truth is, very few of us have the time or energy to type the same thing over and over and over again, like your hero/alter ego/whatever Mr. P… when NOBODY these days is still claiming iraq had WMD’s, you can still, with a straight face, come here and ask “what lies?” when people talk about this administration.
and ive got some information for you.. just because something is on a “liberal blog” doesnt mean its not true. many, many of the replies people have made have quotes and citations which back up those claims. either attack those citations or shut up and stop pretending your some philosopher/warrior mightly challenging the unwashed hordes of hippies.
your so disdainful of public education, why dont you boast about your education pedigree? i bet your home school trash who probably didnt even make it into community college.
August 31st, 2007 at 6:52 amand mr P… ah I see you’ve made yet another blog….while your complaining about “vile speech” im sure you’re going to mention something about ann coulter saying she hopes supreme court justices get poisoned….
the only difference is that tens of thousands of idiots give coulter a podium to stand on, while not much of anyone agreed with the guy you quoted.
any idiot can get on TP and say anything they like. the fact that you and every IP address at your moms house and your community college havent been banned on this site is proof of that.
its called an “open forum”. there are venomous people on the left and the right. im a venomous one myself, but i dont pretend to speak for anyone but myself. if a plane full of flaghumping “iraq is like indiana so keep sending your sons to die here” senators got taken out by a rocket, the only thing I’d be vaugely saddened by was the deaths of pilots who probably just thought they were avenging 9-11.
so congratualations, your desparate attempt to fill your bloated, pockmarked life with meaning is about as successfull as this “surge” your heroes undertaking.. all you have to do is beleive its true, and it will be.
for christ sakes man, wash your face, stop playing world of warcraft, and go ask that chubby but cute girl in Introduction to Philisophy 101 out on a date. It might just give more meaning to your life than the internet obviously does.
your the kid everyone remembers, the one who used to eat bugs for a dollar in kindergarden, and other than your bizarre and ever growing infatuation with the pedophillic culture of ancient greece, you really havent grown up much since then.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:00 amWasn’t Wayne the no show?
Comment by Sonny Red — August 31, 2007 @ 1:06 am
Not according to the half dozen or so other posters who verified Wayne’s story he wasn’t. There was Wayne, waiting patiently for your boy to show up, and there was your guy nowhere in sight.
Then Dr Dog further discredited himself by getting the layout of the Gym totally wrong – which was revealed by yet another poster.
Of course, the truth was never Dr Dog’s/Mr Pee’s/Sonny’s strongsuit.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:14 am#8 – “The left using a dead soldier to advance their surrender ideology. Nice.” Comment by Frank J — August 31, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Yeah, it’s so much better for the right to use dead soldiers to support the deaths of even more soldiers for a failed war of occupation and oil. Typical.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:20 am>Then Dr Dog further discredited himself by getting the
> layout of the Gym totally wrong – which was revealed
> by yet another poster.
Yeah.. he claimed it was a gym that had wireless internet (why would anyone at a gym need the internet?), but apparently had no access to a working phone on the weekends, in case someone injured themselves..
Barbell fell on your neck? Oh gosh, Bruce leaves the only phone locked up
in the office on weekends, sorry we can’t call an ambulance for you…
OH.. and the best part.. he didnt even know the time in the state he was supposedly in. TP’s time stamp is eastern time, and I guess Dr. Dog didnt see a clock anywhere that would have told him he was an hour early since TX is on central time.. that was the best!!! hahaahh.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:31 amCan’t wait to see Ari try to “finesse” the attack on Mel Martinez’ and Inhofe’s plane! There’s absolutely no way to call this progress, Ari! Fleischer of PNAC fame needs to know that people know who he is, what his agenda is, and are onto him and his diabolical fascist agenda.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:39 amThe left using a dead soldier to advance their surrender ideology. Nice.
Comment by Frank J — August 31, 2007 @ 12:26 am
What? You don’t like it when people object to you using soldiers as disposable martyrs?
August 31st, 2007 at 8:27 amOf course, the truth was never Dr Dog’s/Mr Pee’s/Sonny’s strongsuit.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 31, 2007 @ 7:14 am
Let us not leave out the unanswered page from the airport that Zooey made.
August 31st, 2007 at 8:27 amCredibility and Mr Pee Dog have never met. Complete strangers.
“Jack stop waisting my time by pointing me to a liberal blog like TP to support your theory that he lied. Tell me in your words where he lied and BACK IT UP WITH PROOF, otherwise crawl back into your cave with your friend bin laden and stop wasting my time!”
Comment by michael — August 31, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Jack —
Funny thing about proof, an argument can be made that it’s truly a subjective thing. Despite a mountain of evidence that the earth is round (including some rather impressive pictures taken from outer space), there are people who still believe it’s flat. No amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.
As it is with the Iraq war. To “sell” the idea of the invasion, and the subsequent sustained occupation, we have been given conjecture, exaggerations, and outright lies. We have been told that A) Saddam had WMD’s, B) that Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda, C) that Saddam was getting yellowcake from Niger for a nuclear weapons program, among other things.
The link that you posted (http://thinkprogress.org/cincinnati-bungles/) debunks these lies and cites sources (there are plenty of lists like this one, but this one is well organized and easy to understand). People like michael will not accept this, because it doesn’t fit the cast-in-stone image of the situation as they see it, and it disrupts their constant drumbeat that “their guy” is right. Michael won’t offer any intelligent rebuttal of the information in the link, he’ll just dismiss the whole thing out of hand, claiming that it isn’t proof of anything (as well as throwing in a baseless wingnut attack about supporting bin Laden).
To Michael, the earth is flat. To try to convince him otherwise is a waste of time.
August 31st, 2007 at 8:54 amI get so disheartened when I see the ignorant posts. No facts or figures, or new information to help me see WHY this was makes sense. Nothing but forecasts that the bogeyman will come out of the shadows and kill all Americans. I try to have a reasonable debate and I get called a coward, defeatist, surrender monkey – take your pick.
First of all, I still don’t understand how someone could think that the country they love is under such a threat. That even their FAMILY is imminently threatened by these “Islamofascists” and not join the fight against them. The military is stretched to the breaking point – there is no debate about that; and yet healthy military aged men and women who justify this occupation on the basis of the great threat will not fight to help us win. I don’t understand. I have said it before, I can only see 3 reasons for this:
1. You don’t think this country (and based on your threat analysis, your family) is worth fighting for.
2. You don’t truly believe what you are saying.
3. You are a coward who’s opinions are irrelevant because you are making your judgements irrationally based on fear.
I hear excuse after excuse, and every day I am bothered by the majority of people that go about their day as if nothing is happening. No one in this country is asked to sacrifice. The people supporting this occupation are not even willing to discuss a draft to get the military the bodies to fill the ranks that the military needs. Hell, they aren’t even willing to raise taxes to pay for it. However, they are willing to cut veterans benefits and give these patriots substandard care.
I am willing to listen to good arguments, but I haven’t heard any. At least none based in any fact. Do people actually think that I want our country to fail? Do people actually think I like seeing flag draped coffins? I am losing hope and starting to question why I care so much for this country if its own people are willing to believe a lie simply because it is more comforting.
August 31st, 2007 at 8:58 am#172 – Comment by missmolly — August 31, 2007 @ 8:54 am
MissMolly, you make a good point. When the facts refuse to support the right-whiners bias, ignore the facts and continue to ask for them.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:11 amCan’t wait to see Ari try to “finesse†the attack on Mel Martinez’ and Inhofe’s plane! There’s absolutely no way to call this progress, Ari! Fleischer of PNAC fame needs to know that people know who he is, what his agenda is, and are onto him and his diabolical fascist agenda.
Comment by veritas — August 31, 2007 @ 7:39 am
You’re wrong. They’ll spin it as an attack that was repelled. The very picture of progress. They’ll also use it to point out the threat that could be coming to a town near you if you don’t support Bush.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:19 amOne seriously derailed thread.
Another soldier’s relative trying to figure out why nothing ever changes about ‘old men sending young men out to die, to die for politician’s lies’ (Mike Harding).
August 31st, 2007 at 9:20 amThe attack on the Senator’s plane – do you mean to say the Baghdad airport is still not secured 4 1/2 years after the invasion? /sarcasm off
August 31st, 2007 at 9:24 am>To try to convince him otherwise is a waste of time.
that was cleaner and more concise than mine, i’d love to have someone like you be my secretary.
however, I still think its important to mention that Mr. P was the kid in kindergarden who ate bugs for money (and attention)
August 31st, 2007 at 9:28 amHas anyone here considered that if Gore was acknowledged as the winner in the 2000 election, and if he had responded to 9/11 by invading Iraq, how different the posts here would look? The trolls and wingnuts would all be pacifists.
August 31st, 2007 at 10:36 am#178 – “The trolls and wingnuts would all be pacifists.” Comment by missmolly — August 31, 2007 @ 10:36 am
Actually, I think they would be yelling: “Why are you getting bogged down in Iraq??? Why not concentrate on al Quida and the ‘War on Terror’ in Afghanistan!”
Well, IF it was Pres. Gore, he would have acutally listened to the report on “bin Laden to attack in US” and there would be 3000 more citizens and a standing World Trade Center rather than a toxic hole in the ground and first-responders dying from asbestos poisoning.
Don’t forget, it was during Pres. Clinton’s term that the Millennium Bomber was captured BEFORE he bombed anyone!
August 31st, 2007 at 11:04 amDemocrat Soldier
If it was president Gore, America’s airlines would have put in place the anti-terror measures proposed by him as part of his campaign platform.
Plus chances are, with Gore’s focus on the environment, the levees in New Orleans would have been upgraded as per the recomendations of America’s civil engineers.
August 31st, 2007 at 11:17 amHas anyone here considered that if Gore was acknowledged as the winner in the 2000 election, and if he had responded to 9/11 by invading Iraq, how different the posts here would look? The trolls and wingnuts would all be pacifists.
Comment by missmolly
August 31st, 2007 at 1:47 pmIf Gore was sworn in as president as he was supposed to be, I really doubt if we would have had a 9/11. And if by chance we did, Iraq certainly would not be in the picture. Bin Laden would be captured, brought to justice and that would be that. Gore is not an oil man or part of the PNAC crowd or into empire building. If the constitution was properly followed, which it hasn’t been starting in 2000 up to now, we would not be in this downward spiraling mess.
Comment by Frank J — August 31, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Frank J, do you even know what the term fascist refers to? Obviously not because you have bought in to the spin terminology of KKKarl Rove. Fascism is defined as corporate governance so you see, by definition there is no such thing as an Islamo-fascist. Last time I checked these people seem to be religious zeolots who would like for their country to be ruled by their religion. They may be crazy fanatics but I don’t think they want to be ruled “Godless” corporations. Now George Bush on the other hand…well maybe you should know what the hell you’re talking about before you speak. As it is you are only pointing out your own massive ignarance.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by DanCaveman — August 31, 2007 @ 8:58 am
Excellent, thoughtful post, Dan!
September 1st, 2007 at 1:50 am