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		<title>By: David Glenn Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Glenn Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Non Americans
                                           By David Glenn Cox

The non Americans are with us, it is we who are not with them. They walk our streets and live in our communities but travel different paths and live a thousand miles away. We donâ€™t know them and donâ€™t want to know them for they are not the Americans like we are. Just being born here might make you a citizen but it doesnâ€™t make you a full participatory American, they live invisible right before our eyes

There was a time not too long ago when America led the world in manufactured goods, steel, automobiles, furniture and electronics. The system built itself and the wealth of the middle class drove the system on allowing the best and the brightest to rise to college while allowing the rest to at least an opportunity for a decent lifestyle.

There has always been a percentage of non Americans, pushed out unwanted derided, hated because of the color of their skin or the god they worshipped. To them the American dream was a cruel illusion but Iâ€™m speaking now of the new non Americans to which the American dream isnâ€™t an illusion at all but a myth. They watch television and see wealth portrayed but itâ€™s like watching Neil Armstrong
step off the lunar module, it has no relationship to their lives.

What is real to them is poverty what is illusionary is the chance to escape. To build a future on a minimum wage income but the shame is not theirs, the shame is ours. The shame of paying less than subsistence wages, literally slave wages with boisterous talk of a free society. Is it any wonder they form gangs to salvage some vestige of dignity from a society that believes their labor is unworthy of anything but a starvation wage. Iron bars do not a prison make and chains need not be made of steel.

During the Truman administration Truman advocated raising the minimum wage by 40%. During the three years of the Kennedy administration the minimum wage rose by 25% A new car averaged $2000 or 1600 hours at minimum wage today a new car averages $20,000 or 3479 hours working at minimum wage. But we claim no one really works for the minimum wage but the minimum wage is the floor it is the bottom and when you have no decent floor you have no decent bottom.

There was a time when railroads meant prosperity in America they symbolized power and growth but this too like a living wage is no more. You see I live on the fringe of non America I once watched the railcars carrying new cars from the cities two automobile factories. They are both shuttered and vacant now and the railroad hauls away only empty boxcars and hauls in the containers from the great ships importing poverty and exporting our wealth. Make no mistake and remember always the next one you see that when it returns home it carries away a part of your childrenâ€™s future inside itâ€™s belly.

This is not to say some donâ€™t succeed and prosper but we are talking about non Americans here not those born with every advantage. How well the prosperous do is no indication of how well a society is doing. Hurricane Katrina was an excellent metaphor for as the storm drew closer the wealthy and prosperous just drove away
leaving the non Americans to sink or swim. How many in big SUVâ€™s that held six or seven drove away with one or two passengers without a thought or concern for their fellow man.

But everyday is Hurricane Katrina somewhere in America, with upwards of two million homes expected to go into foreclosures the residents wait on the roof tops with their help signs but our Christian President makes it clear we donâ€™t help those who have made bad decisions. They have over reached they have tried to climb the glass mountain and now itâ€™s begun to rain and the President says sink or swim. After all heâ€™s the American President and they are after all non Americans.

But the storm is growing in intensity, new car sales are falling the savings rate is non existent as home prices collapse. The academics and economists spin and weave like undertakers in Louisiana trying to bury the bodies of the truth. But the delta soil is saturated by the storm and the bodies keep popping back up. This is the perfect storm and the ranks of non Americans are swelling. But we are leaderless, the Americans have a President but we non Americans are alone trying to shield ourselves and hold back the winds of destitution on our own.

But some profit from the system even if itâ€™s in the death of the system itâ€™s self. The undertakers and casket makers profit from the dead and dying as do the worms. The systems working just fine donâ€™t change a thing. But the waters are rising and even some at the top are beginning to question whether the levees will hold. I have no grand academic laurels or educational sheep skin but then again I donâ€™t need one. Because I live in non America where we see with our eyes and feel with our hearts. My neighbor moved here two years ago for a job as an aircraft mechanic now heâ€™s swimming on with his family on his back chasing a job in Denver.

My neighbor with his Masters Degree in aircraft design working at Home Depot designing patios tells me more about the economy than CNBC or the President. After all who listens to the President? Not the non Americans.
On my daily jog through the neighborhood I see the numbers of foreclosed homes rise their once green lawns turned to weeds their paint fading like the dreams their structures once held. And I ask myself, where have my fellow non Americans gone too? Where are they now? What will they eat tonight?

But these are the questions that only non Americans ask themselves. The media confines its self to; will the subprime mortgage crisis affect investments? What are the best stocks to buy? Will the fed move to lower interest rates? Maybe to Americans these are important questions but to non Americans were it not so pathetic it would be funny. The stewards on the Titanic worried whether the champagne is cold enough in first class while the seawater pours in upon the third class and pretending it wonâ€™t affect them.

Our major cities appear as economic class war zones outside of the gleaming glass towers that rise to the sky proclaiming their exclusivity. Very sexy and attractive much more so than the factories that once made things and employed people. But they are still out there off the beaten path like dinosaur bones, relics of a by gone age of productivity. Their silent size stands testimate to their former glory and power, their fading signs, employee&#039;s only and no vendors at this gate remind us that indeed at one time it was so. Not just the talk of the obsolete or the downsized or of the non American.

But it is only natural for those forced to live in the wreckage of the storm to live our lives wet to the bone to become resentful of the dry. Because those who are dry think they are dry because of some ingrained superiority not because they just arenâ€™t wet yet. That because they are dry is proof enough that the system is strong and superior. Excuse us if we laugh because we non Americans have paid our tuition to the college of the kicked and know that if you donâ€™t fall you will be pushed eventually. Besides we donâ€™t have much else to laugh about.

How is it that we can be such a stupid society? The Germans fell for a demigod once who promised them pie in the sky but Americans fall for it every seventy years like Haleyâ€™s comet. That capitalism without control is no different than an alligator pond with the chicken house on the Island in the middle. That the measure of society is the health of the bottom not of the top and that it is all interconnected and indivisible. 

The numbers of non Americans grow by the hour wise beyond their years of the holes and the larceny of the system. They carry with their pain the truth that it is not they who are the non Americans and soon very soon it will be a majority opinion. For the levees will never hold without a strong foundation at the bottom and even a fool knows that the strength of the mightiest oak is in its roots not in itâ€™s closest leaves to the sun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Non Americans<br />
                                           By David Glenn Cox</p>
<p>The non Americans are with us, it is we who are not with them. They walk our streets and live in our communities but travel different paths and live a thousand miles away. We donâ€™t know them and donâ€™t want to know them for they are not the Americans like we are. Just being born here might make you a citizen but it doesnâ€™t make you a full participatory American, they live invisible right before our eyes</p>
<p>There was a time not too long ago when America led the world in manufactured goods, steel, automobiles, furniture and electronics. The system built itself and the wealth of the middle class drove the system on allowing the best and the brightest to rise to college while allowing the rest to at least an opportunity for a decent lifestyle.</p>
<p>There has always been a percentage of non Americans, pushed out unwanted derided, hated because of the color of their skin or the god they worshipped. To them the American dream was a cruel illusion but Iâ€™m speaking now of the new non Americans to which the American dream isnâ€™t an illusion at all but a myth. They watch television and see wealth portrayed but itâ€™s like watching Neil Armstrong<br />
step off the lunar module, it has no relationship to their lives.</p>
<p>What is real to them is poverty what is illusionary is the chance to escape. To build a future on a minimum wage income but the shame is not theirs, the shame is ours. The shame of paying less than subsistence wages, literally slave wages with boisterous talk of a free society. Is it any wonder they form gangs to salvage some vestige of dignity from a society that believes their labor is unworthy of anything but a starvation wage. Iron bars do not a prison make and chains need not be made of steel.</p>
<p>During the Truman administration Truman advocated raising the minimum wage by 40%. During the three years of the Kennedy administration the minimum wage rose by 25% A new car averaged $2000 or 1600 hours at minimum wage today a new car averages $20,000 or 3479 hours working at minimum wage. But we claim no one really works for the minimum wage but the minimum wage is the floor it is the bottom and when you have no decent floor you have no decent bottom.</p>
<p>There was a time when railroads meant prosperity in America they symbolized power and growth but this too like a living wage is no more. You see I live on the fringe of non America I once watched the railcars carrying new cars from the cities two automobile factories. They are both shuttered and vacant now and the railroad hauls away only empty boxcars and hauls in the containers from the great ships importing poverty and exporting our wealth. Make no mistake and remember always the next one you see that when it returns home it carries away a part of your childrenâ€™s future inside itâ€™s belly.</p>
<p>This is not to say some donâ€™t succeed and prosper but we are talking about non Americans here not those born with every advantage. How well the prosperous do is no indication of how well a society is doing. Hurricane Katrina was an excellent metaphor for as the storm drew closer the wealthy and prosperous just drove away<br />
leaving the non Americans to sink or swim. How many in big SUVâ€™s that held six or seven drove away with one or two passengers without a thought or concern for their fellow man.</p>
<p>But everyday is Hurricane Katrina somewhere in America, with upwards of two million homes expected to go into foreclosures the residents wait on the roof tops with their help signs but our Christian President makes it clear we donâ€™t help those who have made bad decisions. They have over reached they have tried to climb the glass mountain and now itâ€™s begun to rain and the President says sink or swim. After all heâ€™s the American President and they are after all non Americans.</p>
<p>But the storm is growing in intensity, new car sales are falling the savings rate is non existent as home prices collapse. The academics and economists spin and weave like undertakers in Louisiana trying to bury the bodies of the truth. But the delta soil is saturated by the storm and the bodies keep popping back up. This is the perfect storm and the ranks of non Americans are swelling. But we are leaderless, the Americans have a President but we non Americans are alone trying to shield ourselves and hold back the winds of destitution on our own.</p>
<p>But some profit from the system even if itâ€™s in the death of the system itâ€™s self. The undertakers and casket makers profit from the dead and dying as do the worms. The systems working just fine donâ€™t change a thing. But the waters are rising and even some at the top are beginning to question whether the levees will hold. I have no grand academic laurels or educational sheep skin but then again I donâ€™t need one. Because I live in non America where we see with our eyes and feel with our hearts. My neighbor moved here two years ago for a job as an aircraft mechanic now heâ€™s swimming on with his family on his back chasing a job in Denver.</p>
<p>My neighbor with his Masters Degree in aircraft design working at Home Depot designing patios tells me more about the economy than CNBC or the President. After all who listens to the President? Not the non Americans.<br />
On my daily jog through the neighborhood I see the numbers of foreclosed homes rise their once green lawns turned to weeds their paint fading like the dreams their structures once held. And I ask myself, where have my fellow non Americans gone too? Where are they now? What will they eat tonight?</p>
<p>But these are the questions that only non Americans ask themselves. The media confines its self to; will the subprime mortgage crisis affect investments? What are the best stocks to buy? Will the fed move to lower interest rates? Maybe to Americans these are important questions but to non Americans were it not so pathetic it would be funny. The stewards on the Titanic worried whether the champagne is cold enough in first class while the seawater pours in upon the third class and pretending it wonâ€™t affect them.</p>
<p>Our major cities appear as economic class war zones outside of the gleaming glass towers that rise to the sky proclaiming their exclusivity. Very sexy and attractive much more so than the factories that once made things and employed people. But they are still out there off the beaten path like dinosaur bones, relics of a by gone age of productivity. Their silent size stands testimate to their former glory and power, their fading signs, employee&#8217;s only and no vendors at this gate remind us that indeed at one time it was so. Not just the talk of the obsolete or the downsized or of the non American.</p>
<p>But it is only natural for those forced to live in the wreckage of the storm to live our lives wet to the bone to become resentful of the dry. Because those who are dry think they are dry because of some ingrained superiority not because they just arenâ€™t wet yet. That because they are dry is proof enough that the system is strong and superior. Excuse us if we laugh because we non Americans have paid our tuition to the college of the kicked and know that if you donâ€™t fall you will be pushed eventually. Besides we donâ€™t have much else to laugh about.</p>
<p>How is it that we can be such a stupid society? The Germans fell for a demigod once who promised them pie in the sky but Americans fall for it every seventy years like Haleyâ€™s comet. That capitalism without control is no different than an alligator pond with the chicken house on the Island in the middle. That the measure of society is the health of the bottom not of the top and that it is all interconnected and indivisible. </p>
<p>The numbers of non Americans grow by the hour wise beyond their years of the holes and the larceny of the system. They carry with their pain the truth that it is not they who are the non Americans and soon very soon it will be a majority opinion. For the levees will never hold without a strong foundation at the bottom and even a fool knows that the strength of the mightiest oak is in its roots not in itâ€™s closest leaves to the sun<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4057078', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is an idea, go out, get a second job, lose the 5$ StarbuckS coffee, shop for clothes at the Goodwill, get your free movies, music, books at the library, cancel the cable and cell phone and live like i did for 5 yrs while I paid off my house. I paid off a 90k mortgage in 4.25 yrs grossing 40-50 k per yr.  If I can do anyone can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is an idea, go out, get a second job, lose the 5$ StarbuckS coffee, shop for clothes at the Goodwill, get your free movies, music, books at the library, cancel the cable and cell phone and live like i did for 5 yrs while I paid off my house. I paid off a 90k mortgage in 4.25 yrs grossing 40-50 k per yr.  If I can do anyone can.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053837', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush won&#039;t bail own any of the misery that his wallstreeters have layed upon us all.  Their strategy is to bilk the little guy out of their bated trap of no intrest for ..... ever?  Mr bush&#039;s fed officer ( Bernakee ?) will lay down the interest rate to rekindle the fire.  They are not satified with so little of your cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush won&#8217;t bail own any of the misery that his wallstreeters have layed upon us all.  Their strategy is to bilk the little guy out of their bated trap of no intrest for &#8230;.. ever?  Mr bush&#8217;s fed officer ( Bernakee ?) will lay down the interest rate to rekindle the fire.  They are not satified with so little of your cash.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053766', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Not Canadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Comment by Bruce Gorton&lt;/em&gt;

mr. p has proven to be nothing but ignorant with a capital I.</description>
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<p>mr. p has proven to be nothing but ignorant with a capital I.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053743', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Squonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life in Bushworld.

After families are kicked out into the street, Bush will still be riding his bike on his &quot;ranch&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life in Bushworld.</p>
<p>After families are kicked out into the street, Bush will still be riding his bike on his &#8220;ranch&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053676', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Gorton</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053659</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Gorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AVGVSTVS

Obviously you have never read your Bible or spoken to a Muslim about just where the nation of Islam comes from.

The Jewish god and the Islamic god are one in the same, with the nation of Islam being descended from Ishmael - Abraham&#039;s son by Hagar.

As a bit of trivia, Ishmael is the laziest character in the Bible, his mother had to carry him across the desert - and by my reckoning Ishmael was about sixteen at the time.</description>
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<p>Obviously you have never read your Bible or spoken to a Muslim about just where the nation of Islam comes from.</p>
<p>The Jewish god and the Islamic god are one in the same, with the nation of Islam being descended from Ishmael &#8211; Abraham&#8217;s son by Hagar.</p>
<p>As a bit of trivia, Ishmael is the laziest character in the Bible, his mother had to carry him across the desert &#8211; and by my reckoning Ishmael was about sixteen at the time.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053659', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised Bush actually proposed something that would help all people. Not just the repubs directly and big business like he normally does. Hearing this fits right in. Bush is not capable of doing this so he had the steal the idea from congress and try to gain politically in these extreme hard times for his administration. I think this, as most political tricks he tries to get away with these days will be ignored as the usual empty rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised Bush actually proposed something that would help all people. Not just the repubs directly and big business like he normally does. Hearing this fits right in. Bush is not capable of doing this so he had the steal the idea from congress and try to gain politically in these extreme hard times for his administration. I think this, as most political tricks he tries to get away with these days will be ignored as the usual empty rhetoric.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053450', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: muckdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>muckdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#130: &lt;i&gt;They will be homeless when they get the tax bill for the difference between what they paid for the house and what the foreclosing financial institution sells the house. The financial institution gets to deduct the difference as a loss and they are there made whole. The home owner, on the other hand, is screwed royally when they get that tax bill.&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong.  You only get the tax bill if you do a short sale.  Not a foreclosure.  In a short sale, you act to sell the house for less than you bought it and the bank forgives you the debt.  That forgiveness is treated as income by the IRS.  In a foreclosure, through no choice of your own, the bank forces you out and the  property becomes the banks.  This is not a taxable event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#130: <i>They will be homeless when they get the tax bill for the difference between what they paid for the house and what the foreclosing financial institution sells the house. The financial institution gets to deduct the difference as a loss and they are there made whole. The home owner, on the other hand, is screwed royally when they get that tax bill.</i></p>
<p>Wrong.  You only get the tax bill if you do a short sale.  Not a foreclosure.  In a short sale, you act to sell the house for less than you bought it and the bank forgives you the debt.  That forgiveness is treated as income by the IRS.  In a foreclosure, through no choice of your own, the bank forces you out and the  property becomes the banks.  This is not a taxable event.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053433', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AVGVSTVS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AVGVSTVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judao-&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;?&lt;/b&gt;Islamic&lt;b&gt;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;-Christian god
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Let&#039;s play a game called &quot;Which one doesn&#039;t belong&quot;!!!

I have given a clue as to the answer of this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judao-<i><b>?</b>Islamic<b>?</b></i>-Christian god<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s play a game called &#8220;Which one doesn&#8217;t belong&#8221;!!!</p>
<p>I have given a clue as to the answer of this one.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053357', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Badger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q.  What&#039;s the BEST part of Christianity?
A.  Jesus Christ
Q. What&#039;s the WORST part of Christianity?
A.  Christians</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q.  What&#8217;s the BEST part of Christianity?<br />
A.  Jesus Christ<br />
Q. What&#8217;s the WORST part of Christianity?<br />
A.  Christians<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053356', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bilbogaggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053352</link>
		<dc:creator>bilbogaggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;bive me a break, if you bought a 500k home for 1000/mo and now its adjusted to 3000/mo, just let the house go and rent for 1000 a month- i dont see anyone being homeless
Comment by cindy &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

They will be homeless when they get the tax bill for the difference between what they paid for the house and what the foreclosing financial institution sells the house.   The financial institution gets to deduct the difference as a loss and they are there made whole.  The home owner, on the other hand, is screwed royally when they get that tax bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;bive me a break, if you bought a 500k home for 1000/mo and now its adjusted to 3000/mo, just let the house go and rent for 1000 a month- i dont see anyone being homeless<br />
Comment by cindy &#8220;</em></p>
<p>They will be homeless when they get the tax bill for the difference between what they paid for the house and what the foreclosing financial institution sells the house.   The financial institution gets to deduct the difference as a loss and they are there made whole.  The home owner, on the other hand, is screwed royally when they get that tax bill.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053352', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053351</link>
		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I will see your Manson, and raise you a Ted Bundy.&quot;

 Read him and weep, fellas... 
 
 Torquemada!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will see your Manson, and raise you a Ted Bundy.&#8221;</p>
<p> Read him and weep, fellas&#8230; </p>
<p> Torquemada!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053351', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ptf</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053349</link>
		<dc:creator>ptf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They couldn&#039;t even trot out the old fat FHA Commissioner and Bush crony &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/results/leadership/bio_1066.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brian Montgomery&lt;/a&gt; to do the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/images/20070831-5_p083107sc-0279-515h.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;photo op&lt;/a&gt;.  Instead they went for a photo with the black HUD Secretary (also a Bush crony) and Treasury Secretary Paulson (a guy who knows at least something).

Homeowners, help IS NOT coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They couldn&#8217;t even trot out the old fat FHA Commissioner and Bush crony <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/results/leadership/bio_1066.html" rel="nofollow">Brian Montgomery</a> to do the <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/images/20070831-5_p083107sc-0279-515h.html" rel="nofollow">photo op</a>.  Instead they went for a photo with the black HUD Secretary (also a Bush crony) and Treasury Secretary Paulson (a guy who knows at least something).</p>
<p>Homeowners, help IS NOT coming.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053349', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Gorton</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053343</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Gorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AVGVSTVS

I will see your Manson, and raise you a Ted Bundy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVGVSTVS</p>
<p>I will see your Manson, and raise you a Ted Bundy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053343', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Gorton</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053335</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Gorton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AVGVSTVS

Religion is 100% kack of course, and the Judao-Islamic-Christian god is one of the least pleasant characters in fiction. 

But, that doesn&#039;t change the fact that for the most part Jesus wasn&#039;t a total villain in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVGVSTVS</p>
<p>Religion is 100% kack of course, and the Judao-Islamic-Christian god is one of the least pleasant characters in fiction. </p>
<p>But, that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that for the most part Jesus wasn&#8217;t a total villain in the story.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053335', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053334</link>
		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who the hell wants that anyway?&quot;
 
 Reincarnation is a much more appealing prospect, variety, mystery, challenges... 
 I for one would sure get weary of the same old golden mansion, lugging the same old harp, singing the same old tiresome tunes millenia after millenia....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who the hell wants that anyway?&#8221;</p>
<p> Reincarnation is a much more appealing prospect, variety, mystery, challenges&#8230;<br />
 I for one would sure get weary of the same old golden mansion, lugging the same old harp, singing the same old tiresome tunes millenia after millenia&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053334', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AVGVSTVS</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053333</link>
		<dc:creator>AVGVSTVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The weak-minded would run wild, kill, rape, etc. - RepublicansAreFascists&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds like the (liberal) Manson Family Religion!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The weak-minded would run wild, kill, rape, etc. &#8211; RepublicansAreFascists</i></p>
<p>Sounds like the (liberal) Manson Family Religion!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053333', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RepublicansAreFascists</title>
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		<dc:creator>RepublicansAreFascists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Organized religion is for the weak-minded. Those among us who without some pie-in-the sky overlord keeping his eye on us is NEEDED to keep those weak-minded in line.

I eschew religion and God, but still function quite well within society.

The weak-minded would run wild, kill, rape, etc. without the specter of a looming GOD ALMIGHTY dangling the carrot of Life Everlasting.  

Who the hell wants that anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Organized religion is for the weak-minded. Those among us who without some pie-in-the sky overlord keeping his eye on us is NEEDED to keep those weak-minded in line.</p>
<p>I eschew religion and God, but still function quite well within society.</p>
<p>The weak-minded would run wild, kill, rape, etc. without the specter of a looming GOD ALMIGHTY dangling the carrot of Life Everlasting.  </p>
<p>Who the hell wants that anyway?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053327', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053322</link>
		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll stick with the Sunday talk shows and get my weekly dose of blasphemy....
 Lets see, who will it be this week? 
 Larry Craig finds the lord?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll stick with the Sunday talk shows and get my weekly dose of blasphemy&#8230;.<br />
 Lets see, who will it be this week?<br />
 Larry Craig finds the lord?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053322', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AVGVSTVS</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/01/bushs-plan-to-help-homeowners-less-than-it-appears/comment-page-3/#comment-4053320</link>
		<dc:creator>AVGVSTVS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Bruce Gorton â€” September 2, 2007 @ 10:30 am

Sure, but for most Leftists, the mere mention of &quot;Jesus&quot; evokes comments like #119!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Bruce Gorton â€” September 2, 2007 @ 10:30 am</p>
<p>Sure, but for most Leftists, the mere mention of &#8220;Jesus&#8221; evokes comments like #119!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4053320', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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