Condi accepts that Iraq is ‘a stain’ on her legacy.
By on Sep 1st, 2007 at 11:40 am
Condi accepts that Iraq is ‘a stain’ on her legacy.
In an analysis of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s efforts to “reshape her legacy,” New York Times reporter Helene Cooper notes today that Rice “is trying hard to rewrite her legacy to include something more than Iraq.” As for Iraq, Rice’s “colleagues and friends say that she has accepted that Iraq is a stain that she probably cannot remove before she leaves office.”
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Rice’s legacy is a stain on humanity.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:43 amAnd you’d think slaughtering Nigerians when she was working for Exxon would be a big enough stain. Maybe she used some Zout on that one…
September 1st, 2007 at 11:47 amUncle Tom is Condi’s legacy. She’s totally and completely played into it.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:50 amRice “is trying hard to rewrite her legacy to include something more than Iraq.â€
Well, Condi, there’s always shoe-shopping, promoting golf, being NFL Commish and sucking off GDumbya’s miniscule little dick.
Good luck with all that.
(please quit your day job)
September 1st, 2007 at 11:50 amGo shopping, Condi. That should make you feel better.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:51 amNice try.
More like a tattoo, even if removed, there’s always a scar.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:51 amA stain? Thousands of dead, wounded, mutilated people, ethnic cleansing on her watch, millions of refugees, world hatred toward us increased.
A “stain?”
My God these people are disconnected from reality. The best thing she could do for her name would be to resign.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:53 amWhat about the Kool-Aid stains? She nearly drowned in the stuff.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:54 amPlease Condi, Iraq is more than enough.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:58 amParaphrasing Shakespeare,
Condi: “Out, damned spot!”
September 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmCondi was initially hired away from academic life by Poppy Bush to tutor his idiot son and help prepare him for a political career. The fact that Condi barely was able to toilet train the Chimp and teach him to use a knife and fork is a strong indicator of how successful she’s been. Remember how disgusting Bush was at the meeting with Blair and Merkel when he loudly smacked his food in Tony’s face and then tried to give Angela Merkel a back rub? And for “mushroom cloud” Condi, “what August 6th PDB?” Condi, shoe-shopping-during-Katrina Condi it’s been all downhill from then.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pmThousands of dead, maimed, millions of displaced, one of the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world. All of this under her and her boss’ watch, due to an invasion that needed not be but they pushed for anyway.
And she calls one of the worst foreign policy and military blunder in American history a “stain”. Fits nicely with Bush’s “just a comma” comment.
Goes to show what a callous, uncaring, detached lot the people serving in this administration (and their supporters) are.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:12 pmAt least she kept him from crapping his pants in public.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:18 pmShe’s just too hot for a lady of her age. A real MILF!
September 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmHer husb – the president – has left far bigger stains on all of us.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmCondi > it is NOT a stain > you are an accomplice in war crimes!
September 1st, 2007 at 12:25 pmBah. It was Clinton who left a stain on both a young woman he took advantage of and on the entire nation.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:25 pmTo be fair, Iraq started before she was Sec. State.
9/11 is a far bigger stain on her legacy. “Historical in nature…. no one could have predicted…”
Katrina, too, shopping for shoes while the Canadian gov’t was trying to get in touch with her to coordinate rescue and emergency equipment.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:26 pmBah. It was Clinton who left a stain on both a young woman he took advantage of and on the entire nation.
Comment by Angry Adam — September 1, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Ah, yes, cue the trolls….but, but, but Clinton!
September 1st, 2007 at 12:31 pmShouldn’t you be out shopping, young man? There’s a war on!
Bah. It was Clinton who left a stain on both a young woman he took advantage of and on the entire nation.
Comment by Angry Adam — September 1, 2007
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
September 1st, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhat’s with these people who are “trying hard to rewrite their legacy”. Your legacy is your legacy and you can’t re-write it. You can contribute to it, but you can’t rewrite it. If Condi wants to leave office with anything to show for her years as Bush’s work wife, then she needs to get to work to convince Bush that attacking Iran IS A VERY BAD IDEA. That would be her one accomplishment when she leaves office, if she were able to pull it off.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pmAngry Adam, aren’t you late for a hook-up in the mens’ room?
September 1st, 2007 at 12:41 pmWhat I want to know is this — was she wearing a blue dress when she admitted this? :-D
September 1st, 2007 at 12:43 pmCT,
Please post three examples of Condi’s fine leadership. Ya know, where what she was trying to achieve actually worked out.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmSorry condi, but a ’stain’ is an inadequeate the word to describe your crimes…..you needed to use, oh say…WAR CRIMINAL comes to mind, afer all YOU personally ignored the intell before 9-11, and failed to do YOUR job then, .. long before you were a co-conspiator in the lies to the illegal war of agression to attack iraq and destroy it, complete with over 1,000,000 murdered Iraqis and 4,000,000 refugees tanks to YOU and your hus.. er your boss the idiot in chief….
stain just does ot do your criminal career in washington justice
September 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pm“Bah. It was Clinton who left a stain on both a young woman he took advantage of and on the entire nation.
Comment by Angry Adam”
Wow, it took 17 whole posts for an idiot troll to bring up Clinton. Trolls, you are slipping. I would have expected the Clinton post within the first 10 posts.
Somehow to Rethugs Clinton getting a blow job from a willing female is worse than Bush invading and occupying a country that was no threat to us, causing millions of people to be displaced from their country, another million dead and almost 4,000 of our citizens dead.
That’s how out of tough with reality Rethugs are.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmYes, being an abettor of the “Supreme International Crime” tends to leave a bit of a mark on one’s record.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmIf Condi really wanted to do something to go down in history as anything other than a total failure, she would quit her job and tell the world about all the crimes, lies and deceptions that the Bush Crime Family have committed. If she did that, she would go down in history as a heroine.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:45 pmRice was the NSA during 9-11, correct? Now that’s a pretty big stain. I mean, “who could have ever imagined airplanes being used as missiles” and all?
September 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pmWhat’s with these people who are “trying hard to rewrite their legacyâ€. Your legacy is your legacy and you can’t re-write it. You can contribute to it, but you can’t rewrite it. If Condi wants to leave office with anything to show for her years as Bush’s work wife, then she needs to get to work to convince Bush that attacking Iran IS A VERY BAD IDEA. That would be her one accomplishment when she leaves office, if she were able to pull it off.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 1, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Unfortunately, “rewrite” seems to be commonplace in this administration. We’ll rewrite the GAO report, rewrite our reasons for going into Iraq, rewrite the constitution for that matter. If we put a pretty face on it for the American public, it’ll all be okay. And if you can’t rewrite it, just delete it.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pmRice was the NSA during 9-11, correct? Now that’s a pretty big stain. I mean, “who could have ever imagined airplanes being used as missiles†and all?
Comment by OxyCon
More’s the point, the useless bint was National Security Adviser on August 6, when she read the PDB outloud to her halfwit pupil, and three weeks later when the “panicked” CIA analyst to his pretend-ranch to tell him again, and he said “Okay, you’ve covered your ass”, and went to pull weeds.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:53 pmI’m with Zooey. Can anyone point to any policy accomplishments, any diplomatic accomplishments? What does she doe besides shop?
September 1st, 2007 at 12:54 pmPoor Stanford.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pmHer legacy will preclude thousands of otherwise qualified students from even considering attending that besmirched institute of higher learning.
Condi is the most powerful woman in government. That is worth 1000+ examples. Since she doesn’t care to become U.S President (unfortunate), the second offering should be Stanford’s president, where she is an academic at heart.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Gonzales was the most powerful Latino in government. Does that make him a great leader? What if Hillary becomes president? Will you call her a great leader? Will that intrinsically be worth 1000+ examples as well?
September 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmSo how about those three examples of Condi’s leadership?
Condi has to prove nothing to a lump of conspirital and anarchist lefties.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Sounds like she’s got something to prove to you, unless you’ve got specific accomplishments to cite.
September 1st, 2007 at 12:58 pmCondi is the most powerful woman in government.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007
No, she holds a powerful seat, that doesn’t mean she’s powerful. And most would argue Pelosi is the most powerful woman in American government, given her position in the line of succession and her position in the House. It appears Condi is simply a figurehead, a playmate for the president, a bobblehead yes-woman for Cheney’s policies.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pmComment by CT_V1
Condi has to prove nothing to a lump of conspirital and anarchist lefties. Her good legacy is intact without all of the over-hogging lefty PR, the PR attempting to marginalize her regardless of her efforts.
Go ahead TP and lefty posters, “define†the legacy of Secretary Rice. Your crap, hopefully, shouldn’t stick to the wall.
____________________
Awwww, has that failed GOP war of choice got you all bloated and huffy today? Poor poochy.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:04 pmGo ahead TP and lefty posters, “define†the legacy of Secretary Rice. Your crap, hopefully, shouldn’t stick to the wall.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Condi has taken very good care of that, all by herself. her 9/11 failure is enough to guarantee that even the idiots at Stanford will have nothing to do with her. Keep on dreaming, CT, your nightmare is just beginning!
September 1st, 2007 at 1:05 pmThere will be no positive legacy from those in Bush&Co — their legacy has already been determined, and it isn’t good.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:05 pmStudents and professors at her old alma mater don’t want Rice to come back there either.
#17 – Clinton actually left the coutry in better shape than he found it. When Clinton came into Office, there was a huge national debt due to unbridaled tax cuts to the wealthy (Supply Side Economics). When he left, there was a surplus. So, by your reasoning, bush is a great President because he has saddled the Nation with debt? As for Monica, she was a legal aged women, not a litttle boy. Clinton didn’t sexually harass boys and he didn’t TROLL restrooms for anonymous same sex liasons. BTW What are you TROLLING for?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:06 pmCondi’s next job will be training jewelry store clerks in manners. It’s the only thing she’s shown a proclivity for that’s in any way useful. Any idiot can shop.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:07 pmComment by bob lahblah — September 1, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
uh, come again?
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I’ll put it in plain English: answer post #25.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmWell, let’s see, Condi….
I love her shoes and her selective choice in shoes: But those feet are as ugly as homemade pie. Yukk! Has anyone seen those floppers.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmAs for her service ON the U.S.A., she deserves to wear no better than a pair of clogs.
So that’s the answer from conservatives when asked to list her specific accomplishments? Crickets?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:10 pmuh, come again?
Comment by CT_V1
September 1st, 2007 at 1:11 pmIsn’t that what Larry Craig said right before he was busted?
if Ct wanted to be taken serioulsy he would do more than toss out outdated chliches to reasonable questions. Since he is incapable of a serious response, either ignore or mock him.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:14 pmwell, to take advantage of the momentary silence of our stunned trolls, let me gleefully announce that Larry Craig’s new wide stance is as ex-Senator. Hounded out of his party by—his party! It reminds of Cheney shooting his good buddy. republicans can’t govern, they can’t even hold onto their seats (they’re too busy holding somebody else’s seat). Now, let’s talk about Clinton, because that’s it for you rightard wingnuts. that’s all you have, a consensual blowjob by a paid repuke operative, and a repuke pervert prosecutor spending $70 million to spew his garbage all over the news. You “family values” remind me of the Manson family.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:15 pmComment by CT_V1
Say something worth responding too and you’ll get a worthy response. spew right wing crap and you’ll get treated like the imature Stamford preppy punk that you are.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:17 pmComment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
When we want your uneducated, unfounded, fact-free strawman opinions, we’ll beat them out of you. None of that tripe you just shat out has anything to do with reality, it’s just your ignorant opinion. On top of the fact that it’s a collection of incredible stupid and wrong-headed opinion, it shows how little intellect you hae. Congratulations, you’re the stupidest person on the internet right now.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:17 pmComment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Thanks, but that wasn’t the question. Please refer to #25.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:17 pmCome on, CT_VD, answer the question. Stay on topic, explain to us all of Condi’s successes and accomplishments as the token shopper in the Bush crime syndicate.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:20 pmhen why respond? Feel free to skip right past.
Comment by CT_V1 —
Because it’s too much fun to watch you sputter when you’re not given the blind deference that you fell you’re entitled to.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:21 pmThen why respond? Feel free to skip right past.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Hey CT, next time try this one: “I know you are, but what am I?” That’ll get’m!
September 1st, 2007 at 1:22 pmCondi has achieved more than you ever will in 495959 lifetimes. Go read the countless biographies of her on your own time.
Condi achieves in life, becomes a conservative out of it, and lefties castigate her 24/7.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007
ok, here are a few I could find.
1. She spends many of her weekends at Camp David with Bush,watching baseball and football and doing jigsaws with the first family.
2. Rice is an accomplished pianist who plays with an ensemble as often as every other week.
3. Rice took up golf in August 2005. “I’m enjoying it immensely. I find it’s one of the things that really gets me out, gets my mind clear, and I really enjoy it.”
4. Rice’s favorite movie is Casablanca. “I watch whenever it comes on. . . . ”
No wonder she doesn’t have time for her State Department duties!
September 1st, 2007 at 1:23 pmVery, very weak today, CT_VD. Defending the failure of the woman responsible for 9/11. Very weak, very unpatriotic. And yet, you come with no facts, no evidence to support your tired, cliched talking points. Haven’t you noticed how many of your favorite traitors have abandoned you? Can’t you smell the total defeat of the repuclicRAT party, even over the crap in your drawers? Don’t you see that you are alone here, outnumbered by 10 to 1, as you are all over America? Don’t you see that you have been lied to, used, battered and abused? or is that OK with you, because you’re a sick pervert like your leaders?
Anyway, you still haven’t answered the question, which is completely on point. Let’s hear it.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:25 pmCondi has achieved more than you ever will in 495959 lifetimes
I wouldn’t call letting 9/11 happen an acheivement, or lying to the country about aluminium tubes, or lying about the connection between Saddam and al Qaeda, or making up crap about “we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud” to scare ignorant people into supporting her ignorant pupil’s oedipal vanity war.
Buy YMMV.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:25 pmDon’t worry Condi you’re a black moor goldfish and the stains don’t show.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:26 pmNo wonder she doesn’t have time for her State Department duties!
Comment by troqua — September 1, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
which, of course, is a blessing. Imagine how much worse she could make an already disastrous situation! Just look at 9/11, it’s all anyone has to know.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:27 pm“Condi has achieved more than you ever will in 495959 lifetimes. Go read the countless biographies of her on your own time.
Condi achieves in life, becomes a conservative out of it, and lefties castigate her 24/7.
Comment by CT_V1″
And you wonder why you get mocked. Try saying somthing concete. Give some examples of her accomplishments. provide a link to back you your assertions. mention one of the “countless” biographies that you have obviously read. explain how you can read all the countless biographies if there are too many to count. get the picture preppy?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:31 pm#34, Thousands of American dead, Tens of thousands horribly injured, nearly a million Iraqis killed in a nation that did NOTHING to harm us, no WMD, no nuclear program, no ties to al-Qaeda… I’d say she pretty much defined her own legacy, pal.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:32 pmCondi has achieved based upon her merits. Hillary has ascended based upon her feeling of entitlement. Previously being “First Lady†doesn’t prepare somebody for the presidency, and U.S. senators don’t have a big track-record of being elected president. It just doesn’t provide day-to-day managerial experience that Governors and other officials have. While Condi has never been a governor, a cabinet secretary, I feel, is still more worth than a senator because it’s high-level executive-branch experience. While Condi doesn’t plan to run, but she’d still be of more worth than Clinton.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
You’re still not answering Zooey’s question. Just BEING in a position does not prove one’s worth. What specific foreign-policy successes can you name that Condi is responsible for? Has she brokered any successful treaties? Made us any new allies? C’mon, you must have one example you can give us.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:32 pm“Condi is the most powerful woman in government. That is worth 1000+ examples. Since she doesn’t care to become U.S President (unfortunate), the second offering should be Stanford’s president, where she is an academic at heart.
Comment by CT_V1″
That’s what you consider an example of the good things she has done for our government and our country. Pathetic. Not to mention the fact that I will disagree with you. I believe that Nancy Pelosi is the most powerful woman in government at this time. Condi has been marginalized by Bush and Company and really has nothing to contribute. Nancy Pelosi has enough power in her hands to bring down the Bush Crime Family. Only if she chooses to use it. Thus far she hasn’t.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:34 pmYou asked for three of Rice’s accomplishments and the estimable CT has given them: Condi achieves in life; becomes a conservative out of it; and lefties castigate her 24/7. How crystal clear does he have to make it?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:35 pmCondi has achieved more than you ever will in 495959 lifetimes.
Right ….
Ignored the warning about bin Laden and al qaeda from Richard clark…
Ignored the intell about Al qaeda and Bin Laden from Tenet and the CIA….
Blew off the aug 6th PDB titled bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US , because pre 9-11 it didn’tfit the reichwing spin abo ush and heney wanting totoppleSaddam…..
Lied to congress, numerous times….
Aided and abetted the lies in the run up to the illegal War of Aggression against Iraq….
Has assembled the worst record as Secretary of State ever, (but has bought some killer shoes traveling in the state department issued large taxpayer financed Jet she uses,
your right numbsk*ll, that is quiet a list of accomplishments.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:36 pmCondi achieves in life, becomes a conservative out of it, and lefties castigate her 24/7.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
I don’t think anyone here is attacking her for being a conservative. We’re just wondering what the hell she’s accomplished.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:36 pmHey CT, do you go to Stanford?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:39 pmA stain? Sniff… sniff… I feel so sorry for poor Condi.
I know… let’s all go shopping for expensive shoes, then have some…
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September 1st, 2007 at 1:39 pmlefties castigate her 24/7.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Dishonest statement. We vilify her, rightfully, for her shameful involvement w/ the Bush Crime Family.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pmCondi has achieved based upon her merits. Hillary has ascended based upon her feeling of entitlement.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
What an F-in’ ridiculous comment.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:41 pmMs Rice is attached at the hip to those who have committed treason against the American People…in the name of Big Corporation OIL. Note that she is (or was?) on the board of at least one oil company.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pmStanford is as ashamed of having Condi as part of their legacy as Yale is for selling Paps Bush Dubya’s sheepskin.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pmCT_V1, my friend, that fact that you can’t even come up with one accomplishment should clue you in that you’re nude in this argument. How about an easier one, then? List three commendable things achieved by anyone in the administration over the past seven years, other than just getting elected.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pmNote that she is (or was?) on the board of at least one oil company.
Comment by Evergreen — September 1, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
She had a tanker named after her at one point.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:47 pmThe Republic of Stupidity
September 1st, 2007 at 1:48 pmCondi has achieved based upon her merits. Hillary has ascended based upon her feeling of entitlement.
Right….
Condi as only served in positions which she got APPOINTED to by a bush……
Hillary (much as I hope she’s NOT the nominee of the democratic party) went to the voting public, and WON her senate seat twice, in an open campaign against a republican candidate,
me thinks you doth protest too much with OUT real facts behind your patently reichwing spin.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:48 pmOk, here’s Condi explaining her accomplishments. Right from her own lips.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:50 pmList three commendable things achieved by anyone in the administration over the past seven years, other than just getting elected.
Comment by Cazzie Russell — September 1, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Ignoring the 9/11 warnings, illegally invading and occupying a sovereign country, destroying the financial future of the country, crapping on the constitution and the Rule of Law, destroying the military, selling their soul to big oil and big pharma…….
Oh, wait, did you mean POSITIVE things?
OOPS!
September 1st, 2007 at 1:50 pmCondi is the most powerful woman in government. That is worth 1000+ examples. Since she doesn’t care to become U.S President (unfortunate), the second offering should be Stanford’s president, where she is an academic at heart.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
No, not acceptable, CT.
Three specific examples, with links.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:51 pmWasn’t Condi Rice one of the many people caught off guard by the collapse of the Soviet Union, on which she was supposed to be some kind of expert?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:51 pmDid the RNC give their trolls the weekend off or something?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:52 pmupside00
September 1st, 2007 at 1:52 pmWasn’t Condi Rice one of the many people caught off guard by the collapse of the Soviet Union, on which she was supposed to be some kind of expert?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — September 1, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Yes!! Isn’t that amazing!?
There must have been a sale at Ferragamo….
September 1st, 2007 at 1:53 pmAppoint Condoleeza Rice the next President of Stanford University immediately after she leaves the State Department. They could use her full leadership.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
News flash bunkie, Stanford doesn’t take transfers from community colleges, no matter how much neocon ass you kiss.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:56 pmThere must have been a sale at Ferragamo….
Comment by Zooey — September 1, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
She didn’t get the title SecofShoes for nothing!! But those CFM boots…. now THAT’S what gets Dubya’s blood pressure up.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:56 pmIt seems there is a new incident with regard to Marie Antoinette/Condi. While in a Jewelry Store the salesgirl brought her some costume Jewelry to look at. She gave the poor salesgirl a dressing down and said–You are dumb and that’s why you make minimum wage and I am smart so I make big money, now get me the better Jewelry. This was in yesterday’s Huffington Post. The Bush people all believe that in 50 years Americans will understand what they have done for/to this country. I think history will judge them more harshly then Americans currently do. There are so many angry ex-bushies and wait until their books come out.
September 1st, 2007 at 1:57 pmComment by troqua — September 1, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
OMG! Absolutely hysterical–thanks for the link and the laugh!
September 1st, 2007 at 1:57 pmWhen’s the last time there was a Condi sighting? Hasn’t she kinda disappeared? Anyone checked Cheney’s man-sized safe lately?
September 1st, 2007 at 1:59 pmupside00 — actually, yeah, i was hoping CT might be able to provide some examples of positive strides we’ve made since 2000. odd that he’s gone silent. must be out on a freedom-fry run.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmHey CT, do you go to Stanford?
Comment by bob lahblah — September 1, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Haha, he goes to a community college in Virginia.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:03 pmA “Stain” on her record?
4,000,000,000 (4 Million) Iraqi displaced by her War is a “stain” on her record?
30,000+ seriously injured US troops is a “stain” on her record?
Up to 1,000,000,000 Iraqis dead; 3750 US troops dead, 1000 US contractors dead is a “stain” on her record?
Ms. Rice, you will never wash the blood off your hands. And Stanford Univ. DOES NOT want you back.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:05 pmShe’s got meverything but the stains on her dress. And then some.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:05 pmHang her out to dry.
America’s relationship with Russia has deteriorated during Sec. Rice’s tenure. This Russian speaking expert couldn’t even get Russia to go along with our invasion of Iraq.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmcazzie — you left out one thing. The Bush Administration lost an American city. New Orleans, one of the oldest cities in the country is effectively gone. When Bush visited New Orleans the other day he told them they didn’t see the progress because they live there all the time. But he sees the progress because he is there so rarely. OMG
September 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pms. hall — so true. i guess we could tack on “the utter obliteration of reason and logical thought” to this sad legacy.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:13 pmCondoleeza Rice is a thief who has basically stolen her salary from the American people for as long as she has been with the Bush administration.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:14 pmIF she could bring herself to get up off her a$$ and do ANYTHING, that stained legacy could possibly look a little different, but she is, after all, another one of the under-achievers that Bush has recruited to make himself look better……NOT
Up to 1,000,000,000 Iraqis dead
Comment by DitchMitchKY — September 1, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
I think you meant up to 1,000,000. Either way, hard to get one’s head around; and generally ignored by the media.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pmThere may be a more despicable bunch of Scumbags to slime the WH but I find it hard to imagine. When the Big Flush comes in ‘09, it will be a sound worth hearing!
September 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmbob lahblah — but to acknowledge the number of iraqis who were liberated from the weighty burden of respiration is to imply that their lives might have somehow actually been worth something.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmbob lahblah — but to acknowledge the number of iraqis who were liberated from the weighty burden of respiration is to imply that their lives might have somehow actually been worth something.
Comment by Cazzie Russell — September 1, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Kind of like the 3,700 brave troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and the 1,400 who died needlessly in NOLA. Guess they are all just commas to Dubya and just numbers to Snow-job.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhen’s the last time there was a Condi sighting? Hasn’t she kinda disappeared? Anyone checked Cheney’s man-sized safe lately?
Comment by troqua — September 1, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Condi and Laura sightings have been scarce for some time now.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:30 pmis to imply that their lives might have somehow actually been worth something.
That might have a little to do with who is evalating the worth of their lives, them or anybody else……
Too many Americans over emphsise of the worth US lives and deny any worth to people in the second or third world…..
Too bad for the reichwing the people who live on the rest of this planet see things in a different manner…..
September 1st, 2007 at 2:32 pmNotice how CT_V1 never came up with any specific achievements? Pathetic!
September 1st, 2007 at 2:33 pmNotice how CT_V1 never came up with any specific achievements? Pathetic!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — September 1, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
CT can’t even come up with one of his own achievements. Dumbass is probably scouring Conservapedia for Condi accomplishments.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:35 pmupside00 — those are just pesky facts. history will be the judge. isn’t that the correct spin when the present reality is a world-class train wreck? my guess is that a lot of folks who come on here defending the current occupants — the ones who seriously defend them, not the contrarian dolts who come on to antagonize without ever making a point — will be quickly changing the subject years from now when their kids/grandkids ask them about this era and who they voted for.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:39 pmDumbass is probably scouring Conservapedia for Condi accomplishments.
Comment by shane — September 1, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Worse yet (for him) he is trolling the State Department website for her accomplishmets…
good luck foole…..
come back if and when you possibly find ONE real accomplishment.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:43 pm— will be quickly changing the subject years from now when their kids/grandkids ask them about this era and who they voted for.
Comment by Cazzie Russell — September 1, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Uh Huh, or it will be like the inverse of Woodstock – Millions now say they were there, just like millions will never admit to voting for this Cabal.
(I am seeinbg a lot more “Bush/Cheney’04″ stickers scraped off the pickups lately.)
September 1st, 2007 at 2:50 pmNotice how CT_V1 never came up with any specific achievements? Pathetic!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — September 1, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
It shouldn’t have been that difficult, unless he tried and couldn’t actually find anything — that would be an acceptable answer.
Hell, even in a Subway Sandwich interview, they want to know about things you think you’ve accomplished in life. President of Stanford? Ha!
September 1st, 2007 at 2:52 pmComment by Zooey — September 1, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Wonder what mr. p has on his resume’? That might be one creepy document to see.
BTW, what is the feeling in ID, now that Larry Leather has pulled the plug? Who will be appointed, your Lt. Guv? What is he like?
September 1st, 2007 at 3:01 pm(I am seeinbg a lot more “Bush/Cheney’04″ stickers scraped off the pickups lately.)
Comment by upside00 — September 1, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
A new neighbor parks his Suburban with Bush/Cheney sticker & Jesus fish next to my car and obnoxious bumpersticker collection. I see him peeking at them! I bet he wishes he had the nerve to have a collection like mine. :-D
September 1st, 2007 at 3:02 pmTypical racist lefties.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Mind explaining that remark? Or are you just projecting today?
September 1st, 2007 at 3:02 pmTypical racist lefties.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
You got that list yet? Seems you’re the racist if you don’t even try to find anything. And it confirms my suspicions that there is nothing to find.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:03 pmto my car and obnoxious bumpersticker collection. I see him peeking at them! I bet he wishes he had the nerve to have a collection like mine. :-D
Comment by Zooey — September 1, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
A closet Progressive, maybe? Work on him, Ms. Z, I know you can do it!
September 1st, 2007 at 3:05 pmCondi Rice is concerned with the effect of the Iraq War on her reputation? She has nothing to worry about! When future generations look back on the Bush Administration, the Iraq fiasco will be just a footnote compared to the world-shaking disaster of the Iran War in 2008. I mean, who remembers the bombing of Guernica as compared with the Battle of Britain?
September 1st, 2007 at 3:06 pmCondi is a complete and utter failure. Nothing she has attempted as part of this administration has been successful or turned out well. She made a fool of herself lying to Congress, shopping during Katrina, being caught lying about being fluent in Russian (my personal favorite), and just generally being all talk, no substance. She writes Op-Eds that are simply cast aside due to being obvious bullshit propaganda, world leaders don’t take her the least bit seriously. Not to mention that frightening helmet she calls ‘hair’. Useless. Don’t worry though, her water-carrying has certainly earned her a lifetime of wingnut welfare.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:08 pmBTW, what is the feeling in ID, now that Larry Leather has pulled the plug? Who will be appointed, your Lt. Guv? What is he like?
Comment by upside00 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Well, Moscow is a fairly liberal town (in a non-liberal county), so we are pretty happy to see the old faker go. We can’t stand Butch Otter!!
Jim Risch, from what I remember, is a fairly decent guy. He was actually governor for a short time after Gov Plastic Man (Dirk Kempthorne) got the nod for Sec of Interior. Somehow I think his return emails won’t be quite so dismissive as Craig’s were.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:08 pmTypical racist lefties.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
What’s the matta son, you couldn’t find any accomplishments either, so you begin stupid reichwing rants instead?
try pulling a “rove”and JUST lie about what really happened like he did with his love sonnent to his BFF “georgie” (even though they still fight over who Jeff Gannon liked better)
September 1st, 2007 at 3:13 pmCT_V1, you forfeit the scintilla of credibility you may have left — and i realize i might even be overstating that — if you answer what should be a simple request with a remark like, “typical racist lefties.” seriously, i’m taking no personal slams at you, but can you or can you not detail a few positive steps we have taken as a country since 2000? upside00 and clif have catalogued a few deeds that most reasonable people would see as negative. i just want to hear from your corner what you think has gone right for us this decade.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by Zooey — September 1, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Any way you slice it, gotta be a relief to have him out of politics. I just hope whoever gets in will be a decent person, Conservative or not.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:17 pmThat’s the dumbest logic I’ve come across in quite a while. Good to see you breaking a record.
Comment by CT_V1
You obiviously don’t re-read your posts before you hit send. It’s also obivious that you have nothing of substance to offer about condi’s achievements, otherwise you would do more than lurk and snipe., fool.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:18 pmRead the biographies. She’s doing pretty well. I don’t micromanage someone’s achievements, but she has a big picture drawn for herself, or else she would no longer be in government service.
She accomplishes enough to where people would like her to run for President, a considerable movement at that.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
In other words (as your beloved president likes to say), you can’t name a single achievement of hers.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:19 pm#106, w. kiernan — excellent point, and by far the most relevant one today. russia and china aren’t conducting joint military exercises because they’re getting ready for a paintball tournament. iraq was a de-clawed kitty; iran is not. and neither are the states they do business with.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:19 pmComment by Cazzie Russell — September 1, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Your well-articulated post brings to mind what is all too common here; the dissenters have little or nothing to counter with, so they just out out indefensible comments, or quotes with no references or links.
Me thinks their collective cupboards are getting very very bare.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:21 pm“Read the biographies. She’s doing pretty well. I don’t micromanage someone’s achievements, but she has a big picture drawn for herself, or else she would no longer be in government service.
She accomplishes enough to where people would like her to run for President, a considerable movement at that.
Comment by CT_V1 —”
It’s your responsiblily to provide proof of your assertions moron. you read the bios, find something that fits your thesis and post it. this isn’t your third rate finishing school where lazyiness earns A’s.
As far as “She accomplishes enough to where people would like her to run for President, a considerable movement at that.”
The same can be said for president moron, look how that turned out… the only reason you like bush is because he is a worthless son of the elite with an overblown sense of entitlement, too.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:22 pmStill no accomplishments?
k, I’ll check back again later…
September 1st, 2007 at 3:27 pmI agree on the China and Russia comments by w. kierman and cazzie. The fight over resources will be difficult and long: China’s voracious appetite for hydrocarbons will increase in a quantity greater than the world has ever seen up to this time and they have a standing army second to none, in pure manpower. Russia has a lot of weaponry, maybe old, but much of it is still effective and both countries have no qualms about unleashing their respective might if they feel so compelled.
And our military has been squandered for no reason and to rebuild it will take years and Billions of dollars. The loss of our best and brightest senior officers and the large number of recent Acadamy grads, is mind-boggling. The fact we have to pay $40,000 signing bonuses just to get warm bodies is very telling.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:29 pmBut, but, but, Condi was a smashing success running the program stabilizing Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iraq.http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-10-06-rice-iraq_x.htm
September 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Still no accomplishments?
k, I’ll check back again later…
Comment by troqua — September 1, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
don’t hold your breath. ice-skating and piano-playing took their toll on Condi, whe’s all played out.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:32 pm‘Read the biographies.’
You mean reichwing books by apologists and spinmeisters……
” She’s doing pretty well.”
To the detrement of the US it’s citizens and of course on the taxpayers dime
“I don’t micromanage someone’s achievements,”
Why not you try to mcromanage peopleere all the time……
“but she has a big picture drawn for herself,”
In crayola, by the CHIMP himself, of course….SE……
“or else she would no longer be in government service.”
Or she can’t find a reichwing think tank that is willing to pay her for the crap she spews…….
“She accomplishes enough to where people would like her to run for President, a considerable movement at that.”
Yes but people are easily fooled especially the more culturaly conservative ones, (or so they claim in publc)
Bush, Guiliani, Romney, Thompson, are proof enough even with out Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, George Allen, Ralph Reed, ET AL
September 1st, 2007 at 3:34 pmupside00, you hit that one right on the screws. once they’re past the hollow talking points, they’re bankrupt. i’ve yet to hear an even semi-persuasive argument on what’s gone right for us this decade.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:37 pmI’m sure this one gets told to “drop dead,†by its own family. It just comes here to vent its frustration, that’s all.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
I believe you’re confusing me with your mother again. That’s the frustration she feels for not getting that abortion she was thinking about. Loser.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:38 pmBut Bill Clinton left a stain on a dress!
-GSD
September 1st, 2007 at 3:41 pm141 – oooooooops!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34519-2004May17.html
Bush, Condi, Cheney, and today’s conservatism are all national security problems this nation must face, no matter how late we may be in doing so.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:44 pmor whipping them into shape………….
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
careful you’ll slip out of that reichwing closet you righties hide in…….
But you’ll be in good company with State Rep Allen (R)(FLA), Mark Foley (R-disgraced), and of course Larry Craig (R-Idahomo)h/t to another TP poser for that
September 1st, 2007 at 3:49 pmRead the biographies. She’s doing pretty well. I don’t micromanage someone’s achievements, but she has a big picture drawn for herself, or else she would no longer be in government service.
She accomplishes enough to where people would like her to run for President, a considerable movement at that.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
So you couldn’t come up with anything, huh?
September 1st, 2007 at 3:51 pmAre you implying that Condi does nothing to earn her living?
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
BINGO…
give the cretin a cigar and directions out of here
September 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmgive the cretin a cigar and directions out of here
Comment by clif — September 1, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Maybe one of the rusher’s used ones?
September 1st, 2007 at 4:03 pmAgain, I don’t micromanage. Are you implying that Condi does nothing to earn her living?
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
I’m not asking for micromanagement, CT, I’m asking for three specific accomplishments made by Condi in this administration — that actually worked. You would demand the same from any of us.
You made the claim that she’s super-duper qualified to be president of Stanford, you should be able to back it up by showing how she is qualified to do so.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pmI request that you appoint me a contributor on your hot new blog.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
I will make your request known to the other administrators, CT.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmCT_V1 – if you’re sincere, i salute you for raising the level of the debate beyond beavis-and-butthead invectives. back to the issue, though, an answer i never can seem to get from my friends and relatives who support the current occupants is this: what positive strides do you see our country as having made this decade? the national debt is a vapor trail of 0’s, the rest of the world thinks we’re a nation of clueless, bellicose warmongers, one of our major cities has taken win, place and show in the waterworld-lookalike contest and some of the rights we took as granted at the start of this century are a goner. what’s gone right?
September 1st, 2007 at 4:06 pmCondi accepts that Iraq is ‘a stain’ on her legacy.
I quote Rod Tidwell: “Well Boo-f*cking-hoo.”
September 1st, 2007 at 4:11 pmMy God these people are disconnected from reality. The best thing she could do for her name would be to resign.
Seppuku would also add some honor as well.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:14 pmamazing how what they describe as the struggle of our generation as something so small as a stain
September 1st, 2007 at 4:17 pmTo anyone–ANYONE–defending Condi, Rummy, Cheney, Bush or Gonzo at this point…
Ya got NOTHIN’. Absolutely NOTHIN’. And nigh-on 80% of Americans know this. Otherwise, someone would have given us those three examples of diplomatic or security policy initiatives that Condi introduced that were SUCCESSES. They couldn’t, because, well…
Ya got NOTHIN’. Absolutely NOTHIN’.
In case no one mentioned it, here’s one more abysmal and deadly failure on her watch: She steadfastly refused to criticize Israel, or broker peace, between them and Hezbollah, for weeks on end. She said, and I paraphrase, “Sometimes there needs to be war. Sometimes these things just need to play out”, thinking, WRONGLY, of course, that Israel would smack the s**t out of them and ‘peace’ would follow.
Worst Secretary of State and NSA EVER. Hands down. Even more: Remember when ‘President Condi’ was making the CW rounds?
ha ha
September 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmCT_V1 seems to be very good at making claims s/he can’t back up with the slightest shred of evidence. Very lazy troll.
Looks like he learned from the best–Bush & CO.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:22 pmRice, unfortunately, has absolutely NO ONE to blame for her pathetic legacy. She chose to tie her star to these idiots and will go down with the ship when they do. How smart can she be? Not very.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:24 pmWhat’s up, CT!?
September 1st, 2007 at 4:26 pmCT,
You don’t want to be associated with that blog. It’s a jihadist, left-wing hate-site.
If you want, you can contribute to a Real American blog, here:
http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/
September 1st, 2007 at 4:30 pmCT,
I used to be the Queen of England, but I no longer qualify.
I’m not giving anyone ammo, CT. I asked YOU a specific question. If you had answered it, there would have been very little problem.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:32 pmI’m going to leave some comments right now.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
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CT,
You can do more than just leave comments. If you want to be a contributor you can write posts, it’s pretty easy.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:41 pmAs long as she is effectively managing the state department, I believe her to be doing a good job.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
She’s not.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:42 pmCT,
You can do more than just leave comments. If you want to be a contributor you can write posts, it’s pretty easy.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — September 1, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Hey, that can be his job interview for the Zoo. Thanks, Pee!
September 1st, 2007 at 4:42 pmHey, that can be his job interview for the Zoo. Thanks, Pee!
Comment by Zooey — September 1, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
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The animals at the Zoo are incompetent. They thought that Raven was a troll.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pmCondi has achieved more than 495959 dead Iraqis achieved in their lifetimes. She has certainly caused more deaths than they ever did.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:48 pmMeanwhile, here at TP your info is erased after every comment.
I’ll talk to you later, CT.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:50 pmhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
September 1st, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by michael — September 1, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Thanks!
September 1st, 2007 at 4:54 pmThe animals at the Zoo are incompetent. They thought that Raven was a troll.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — September 1, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
And you thought we were from Newshounds. :-D
September 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pmColin Powell called his UN speech a blot on his record.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:00 pmA stain? That’s it? No, Condi. Clinton’s mistake was a stain. Yours is so much more.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:12 pm“Condi has achieved more than 495959 dead Iraqis achieved in their lifetimes.
Comment by subodim — September 1, 2007″
Where did you get that figure?
September 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhat’s The Zoo? Is that your blog, Zooey?
September 1st, 2007 at 5:19 pmWhat’s The Zoo? Is that your blog, Zooey?
Comment by Cazzie Russell — September 1, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Yep, brand spankin’ new. You’re welcome anytime!
September 1st, 2007 at 5:23 pmMs. Rice you have blood on your hands and nothing you do will ever wash it away.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:25 pmmichael,
I was quoting the figure that CT_V1 cited in one of his messages to bobwurst:
“Condi has achieved more than you ever will in 495959 lifetimes.”
September 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pmConnie got the top job because she was sleeping with the President. Nothing else but sex. No qualifications ore experience just sex. Now she’s the joke of the World as no foreign leader wants to be bothered with her. All she does is pass notes from Cheney. I guess when her sugar Daddy gave her the job that kiss was real. Now things have changed George has other woman interested as Laura has filed for that divorce. Yes Connie will be replaced and is now looking for a man and a job.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pmThere’s always work at Wal-Mart, Connie can be a Wal-Mart greeter.
“I was quoting the figure that CT_V1 cited in one of his messages to bobwurst:
“Condi has achieved more than you ever will in 495959 lifetimes.â€
Comment by subodim — September 1, 2007″
For a more accurate count go to this anti Bush website.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org
September 1st, 2007 at 5:43 pmIf Condi wants to improve her image, she should take a few lessons from Monica Lewinski, who of course suffered from similar image problems (e.g., they both gave false and misleading testimony under oath while the President of the United States suborned perjury and obstructed justice). A book to tell her own side of the story, a makeover, new shoes, an interview by Barbara Walters, etc. might do her a world of good, or at least make her feel better about herself.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:51 pm“Here we will be more friendly and engage in conversations that may be rambling and informal, but still linked by a common passion”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! It should be quite boring at tpzoo!
September 1st, 2007 at 5:52 pmComment by michael — September 1, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
So, like Bush, you say “only 71-77,000 civilians were killed by our military interventon? Guess they are the commas he was talking about. ANd yo seem to align with that feeling.
And what about the collateral damage, the other 500,000 +/- Iraqi’s that have died during our illegal occupation? Or the million+ that have fled their country?
Again, just numbers, nothing to worry about, right? Following the Darth and Rover value proposition: “IF they ain’t my kids, aren’t rich, and don’t vote or contribute to us, F@ck’em.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:53 pm“And what about the collateral damage, the other 500,000 +/- Iraqi’s that have died
Comment by upside00 — September 1, 200″
That number is BS! Where do you liberals continue to get this number from? Wait? Bill Moyer?
September 1st, 2007 at 5:57 pmWell, it isn’t my business, but I’m talking anyways. Besides, one person will determine non-civil postings differently than another.
Great job with your site, nonetheless.
Comment by CT_V1 — September 1, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Thank you, CT. It’s been fun getting it together. There are many of us working on it, not just me.
Off topic comments are not so bothersome around the Zoo as trolling behavior. Shane has a right to express her opinion, but if you and shane got into it on the Zoo, her comments would be gone, as well as yours.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:02 pmHa ha ha ha ha ha! It should be quite boring at tpzoo!
Comment by michael — September 1, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
We have a lot of fun there, but you’ll never be a part of it.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:03 pmCondi is a blemish on the face of existance
September 1st, 2007 at 6:04 pm“I’ll declare now that my new policy is not to debate anyone who resorts to personal attacks, as they show themselves right off the bat to have no credibility.”
Not entirely true. Some of us do it simply for fun. Let me explain. Henri Bergson had an interesting theory about the comic, e.g. what it is that makes us laugh. To him, comedy was created when a person displayed characteristics that were in some way “machine-like.” I won’t go into it any further here, but it is the robotic, knee-jerk repetition of phrases like “cut and run,” “family values,” “homosexual agenda,” “stay the course,” and so many other poo tidbits that neocons sputter up in place of actual independent thoughts that make them seem like machines to me. And so I have to laugh, because otherwise I scream and that hurts my throat.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:05 pm“We have a lot of fun there, but you’ll never be a part of it.
Comment by Zooey — September 1, 2007″
That’s ok, I don’t play well with 6th graders!
September 1st, 2007 at 6:06 pm“Where do you liberals continue to get this number from? Wait? Bill Moyer?”
Do you mean Bill Moyers, with a terminal ’s’?
Where do “you conservatives” get the idea that things are going swimmingly in Iraq? From Herbie the Misfit Elf?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:07 pm‘“And what about the collateral damage, the other 500,000 +/- Iraqi’s that have died
Comment by upside00 — September 1, 200′
That number is BS! Where do you liberals continue to get this number from? Wait? Bill Moyer?
Comment by michael ”
Lancet. Here’s a link. This is how it’s done CTv1. Support your statements with outside sources.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm
If you, or any other trolls, has a problem with the facts as presented, have the intelligence and maturity to present alternative numbers.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:09 pm“I’ll declare now that my new policy is not to debate anyone who resorts to personal attacks, as they show themselves right off the bat to have no credibility.â€
CTv1
and of course you will hold yourself to the same standard, right?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:10 pm“but it is the robotic, knee-jerk repetition of phrases like “cut and run,†“family values,†“homosexual agenda,†“stay the course,â€
Comment by Bernard Quatermass — September 1, 2007″
Whenever I hear these terms this is how I think:
“cut and run” = liberals
September 1st, 2007 at 6:11 pm“family values” = Conservatives
“homosexual agenda” = liberals
“stay the course” = Conservatives
“I’ll declare now that my new policy is not to debate anyone who resorts to personal attacks, as they show themselves right off the bat to have no credibility.â€
CTv1
Hey, CT has an “ignore” list! Am I on it, CT?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:12 pmThat’s ok, I don’t play well with 6th graders!
Comment by michael — September 1, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
It’s creepy that you know that about yourself. How old are you?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:14 pm“cut and run†= liberals
“family values†= Conservatives
“homosexual agenda†= liberals
“stay the course†= Conservatives
Comment by michael
Cut and run = five deferments Dick Cheney
Family values = jenna bush, drunk, pregnant, shotgun rose
garden wedding
homosexual agenda= larry craig, mark foley, jeff gannon
September 1st, 2007 at 6:21 pmstay the course=run out the clock so an adult can clean up the mess
“That’s ok, I don’t play well with 6th graders!
Comment by michael ”
They outsmart you too?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:22 pm“If you, or any other trolls, has a problem with the facts as presented, have the intelligence and maturity to present alternative numbers.
Comment by bobwurst — September 1, 2007″
First off, you may want to provide a link that isn’t 3 years old? Second, in the report itself it is stated that no official count is being made so how do liberals get this number of 500,000 – 650,000. Some even say 1 million!
September 1st, 2007 at 6:23 pm“stay the course=run out the clock so an adult can clean up the mess
Comment by bobwurst — September 1, 2007″
You liberals really think we are going to leave Iraq if a democrat is in the White House? We will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!
September 1st, 2007 at 6:26 pmFirst off, you may want to provide a link that isn’t 3 years old? Second, in the report itself it is stated that no official count is being made so how do liberals get this number of 500,000 – 650,000. Some even say 1 million!
Comment by michael
Here is a link that is 2 years old. It’s age doesn’t invalidate the number, it only means that more have died.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
Here’s a link that mentions 1,000,000 dead. I don’t know much about the organization, so feel free to poke holes in it, provided you do so using logic and reason.
http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-polya220307.htm
Feel free to offer alternative studies that show small numbers. If you can…
September 1st, 2007 at 6:32 pmSecond, in the report itself it is stated that no official count is being made so how do liberals get this number of 500,000 – 650,000. Some even say 1 million!
Comment by michael — September 1, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Here you go, Ann. I realize this is only from October of 2006, and it’s from the leftist Wall Street journal. But this is a source of some of the numbers.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116052896787288831-8l5AMVpCdg07M3w6XdmTXoPuzno_20061109.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
September 1st, 2007 at 6:34 pm“You liberals really think we are going to leave Iraq if a democrat is in the White House? We will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!
mickey
I don’t speak for all liberal, I don’t even speak for everyone on this site (much to everyone else’s relief, I’m sure.) Having said that, I think that it will take a democrat who is interested in governing to clean up the multitude of messes that your president will leave behind. Iraq is just one of those messes.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:40 pmSo, Michael,
where are some right-wing numbers that show the death rate to be much lower? What, you have no studies that refute the studies linked to above? Then how do you know that the numbers aren’t so high?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:42 pmHere you go, Ann. I realize this is only from October of 2006, and it’s from the leftist Wall Street journal. But this is a source of some of the numbers.
http://online.wsj.com/ public/ article/ SB116052896787288831-8l5AMVpCdg07M3w6XdmTXoPuzno_20061109.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
Comment by bob lahblah — September 1, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
The Wall Street Journal is emboldening the enemy!
September 1st, 2007 at 6:43 pm“how do you know that the numbers aren’t so high?”
It’s simple: if no one is counting the numbers, they can’t be that high.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:51 pm“how do you know that the numbers aren’t so high?â€
It’s simple: if no one is counting the numbers, they can’t be that high.
Comment by subodim
Maybe the mike can ask the 6th graders to help him count, as a way to learn to get along with them.
September 1st, 2007 at 6:55 pmIs it just me, or do the trolls seem sort of tired today? Ann?
September 1st, 2007 at 6:57 pmIs it just me, or do the trolls seem sort of tired today? Ann?
Comment by bob lahblah — September 1, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Given the depths of hypocrisy and total incompetence the trolls have to defend in Washington, Baghdad and elsewhere, and how long they have had to defend the party of pedophile protection and criminally organized corruption and closeted perverst, it is no wonder theyare getting tired and sending in their second stringers.
Hell the backwash even has a backwash.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:08 pmGiven the depths of hypocrisy and total incompetence the trolls have to defend in Washington, Baghdad and elsewhere, and how long they have had to defend the party of pedophile protection and criminally organized corruption and closeted perverst, it is no wonder theyare getting tired and sending in their second stringers.
Hell the backwash even has a backwash.
Comment by clif — September 1, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Good point. I hope the RNC is at least giving them a pay raise!
September 1st, 2007 at 7:17 pmIs it just me, or do the trolls seem sort of tired today? Ann?
Comment by bob lahblah — September 1, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
But they can’t, it would undermine a GOP party plank;
You know the one;
Number 13… underpay everyone, and keep all the wealth for the greedy 1%at the top.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:25 pm–Whenever I hear these terms this is how I think:
“cut and run†= liberals
“family values†= Conservatives
“homosexual agenda†= liberals
“stay the course†= Conservatives
Comment by michael–
You think these things because you are trained, conditioned and do as any cult follower would do – that is, you think as you are trained to think by mind numbing propaganda.
“Family values” equals “conservative” hahah That is a joke, right? And who defines these “values” your conditioners cherry pick? The conservatives’ Godfather? The man who made today’s conservatives into his image? Union hating, authoritarian, anti-science, homophobic and of course the big one for your Godfather, theocratic.
You know, the guy who guided and paid for the right’s rise to power and drive theocratic. This guy, your Godfather:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/9/13513/46197
Conservative = Family values
haha What damn fraud that is. If that doesn’t show you that you are trained, you’re incapable of facing the facts, you are told what to think and you do as you are trained.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:37 pmHey michael, google “GOPAC memo newt gingrich” and you can read about one of the ways your cultic movement was conditioned – through language control, not by ideas or reality.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:43 pmAfter the gets out of government, she’ll retreat to the Hoover Instituion and write a book that blames other people.
September 1st, 2007 at 8:32 pmSo…
…does this mean…
…that Condi is…
…Bushiva’s…
…blue dress?
September 1st, 2007 at 8:35 pmWhen’s the last time there was a Condi sighting? Hasn’t she kinda disappeared? Anyone checked Cheney’s man-sized safe lately?
Comment by troqua — September 1, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
good point – haven’t heard from or seen her for a while – could it be that chimpy will be getting another resignation letter soon?
September 1st, 2007 at 8:40 pmHey, no news is good news. Maybe she’s actually running the State Department and managing the foreign service professionals as they go about their business.
She actually isn’t a terrible diplomat when Shrub actually deigns to let her be one, and let the people who do this for a living take care of business. She did pretty well during the uprisings in Lebanon.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:04 pmIraq War advocacy and the “Birthpains of a New Middle East” comment prove that she is not qualified to be a human being let alone getting a position in Stanford that is supposed to be about educating young minds.
Educators need to demonstrate the ability to self-reflect and admit mistakes and learn from mistakes.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:27 pmShe did pretty well during the uprisings in Lebanon.
Comment by joe #229
…One wonders if you’d be so supportive of Condi’s diplomatic skills…
…in Lebanon…
…if YOUR loved ones …
…had been victims of Israeli airstrikes?
September 1st, 2007 at 9:34 pm“She did pretty well during the uprisings in Lebanon.
Comment by joe ”
Yeah, she gave the ultra right wing miliartists in Isreal 6 weeks of cover and allowed them to destroy most of South Lebennon in a vain attempt to destroy Hezebollah, that succeded in making Hezebollah stronger, and the democratcially elected leaders of Palistine weaker.
September 1st, 2007 at 9:57 pmHey Michael old sock–that line about Republicans=Family Values is looking a little strained these days. I’m afraid the association is more like Republicans = “Pedophilia,” and “closeted,” and “Tearoom toe touching” and “Wide stance” in the mind of the general public.
And look at your leading GOP presidential candidates. Of the top two, both have a history of running as pro-choice, pro-gay rights social liberals. Only difference now is that one is trying to downplay it and the other is trying to convince the Goopers he’s had a change of heart. If you bozos really believed any of that crap you spout about “family values” these guys wouldn’t be able to raise a dime. But they’re both hauling in millions. Laying bare the simple truth:
As long as they come across as the authoritarian cult-leader Big Daddy your fearful, cringing little boxed in soul demands, you don’t care a damn about principles.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:36 pmI stumbled unto this thread, read a couple of posts by this CT character, could not believe anyone could be that blind and ignorant, and ended up reading the whoe thread.
September 1st, 2007 at 11:54 pmThere can only be one explanation: CT was home schooled in a southern state. Please don’t tell me that he went through our public school system. Please. I know our educational system has gotten terrible under repub rule/neglect, but if this CT is a product………. Yikes!
Poor Condi actually looks like a bucktooth version of Popeye’s Olive Oyl.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 am“Well, I belive the title was ‘Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside America.’”
Sorry, Condi, your voice quavered just enough that all the rest of us knew you were lying through that hole in your teeth.
You knew exactly what the title of the PDB was. You read it to him. And you were there when he told the CIA briefer, “It’s okay, son, you’ve covered your ass.” AND you were there when Tenet told you that an attack was iminent.
Since an attack on America did not fit your model of the world at that moment, you ignored it. As Desi Arnez used to say, “LUUUUUUUCIE….YOU GOT SOME ‘SPLAIN’ TO DO!!”
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:44 amLegacy? That’s a joke, right?
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:09 amWho was the “Soviet expert” in the GHW Bush administration that failed to notice that the FSU was collapsing?
Who was the worst NSA ever who failed to grasp the significance of “bin Laden plans to attack America”?
There are incompetent people who advance their careers by a combination of brown-nosing and good PR.
Where is the evidence that Condi is anything more than an empty suit?
Why does no one ever cite her scholarship on the FSU?
September 2nd, 2007 at 9:28 amNote: Legacyis the brand lable on her underwear!
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 amRice’s true legacy is her failure to be an honest broker in the middle east peace process. you know, that little matter that makes arabs everywhere mad at us. that’s the real stain.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmI don’t think Stanford will take her as president. She’ll have to be content with Hoover’s Last Erection.
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:09 pmI think Condi’s incompetence and arrogance persist far longer than her culpability in creating the disaster in Iraq.
Don’t worry about the Iraq thing, Condi- all your failures are as a person.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 pmdo any of you have jobs or a social life?
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:49 pmdon’t be offended,I’m beginning to feel like this is my job,why doesn’t it affect bush he does have a job,I think.
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:52 pmcondi we’ll all be seeing you and the rest of the gang at the war crimes tribunal
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmStain on her. HMMM sounds familiar.
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmfootsore
a respectful and hopefully helpful suggestion to U.S. libraries when receiving bush legacy books: post a sign that says:”The views expressed are ABSOLUTELY NOT the views of the American people, only those of the delusional and dysfunctional wing of the bush administration and the few flunkies that held on while trying to distance themselves from the wreckage.”
September 4th, 2007 at 8:05 ampresident bush gets a presidential library with a grant from the Crayola Company and secretary rice gets a shoe emporium. there, she can tantilize her bigshot neocon friends with stories about her now famous footware: “these are the shoes i wore when my hus…uh, the president told saddam he had 48 hours to leave Iraq.”
September 4th, 2007 at 8:20 am…and she can tantalize them, too.lol.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:24 am…ok, so i’m too lazy to use a spell check: i’m still a mad American…an u shuud bee 2!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:42 am