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Blitzer Dismantles Rep. Boustany’s Assertions Of Progress In Iraq»

Appearing on CNN’s Late Edition this morning, Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA), who recently returned from Iraq, asserted “some major improvements” are being witnessed in Iraq. Echoing claims made by Gen. David Petraeus, Boustany said “sectarian deaths are down.”

Host Wolf Blitzer corrected Boustany’s assertion, citing Iraqi health ministry statistics that report Iraqi civilian deaths have been climbing. The LA Times reports:

Bombings, sectarian slayings and other violence related to the war killed at least 1,773 Iraqi civilians in August, the second month in a row that civilian deaths have risen, according to government figures obtained Friday. In July, the civilian death toll was 1,753, and in June it was 1,227.

Blitzer emphasized, “In terms of Iraqi dead people, those numbers are high and getting worse despite the increased military troop levels of the United States — the so-called surge — having been in effect over the past couple of months.”

Confronted with factual evidence proving his claims incorrect, Boustany attempted to pivot to anecdotal evidence of what he saw on the ground. “I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah,” he said. But Blitzer quickly noted “you had a lot of security with you,” forcing Boustany to acknowledge he walked with “a platoon of Marines.”

Watch it:

Transcript:

BOUSTANY: We’re clearly seeing some major improvements. Clearly in the Anbar Province, we’ve seen significant improvement. We were able to walk the streets of Fallujah. Sectarian deaths are down.

[…]

BLITZER: And Congressman Boustany, you say that the number of casualties is going down. But we took a closer look — and The Los Angeles Times did as well — citing Iraqi Health Ministry numbers. In June, it was 1,227 civilian deaths in Iraq. In July, it went up to 1,753 civilian deaths in Iraq. And in August, the month that just ended, 1,773 civilian deaths in Iraq. Those numbers are going in the wrong direction.

BOUSTANY: Well, I think what I mentioned earlier, Wolf, was the number of attacks. And, clearly, we have to look at all the metrics very carefully.

BLITZER: But statistics — you can play a lot of room with statistics. In terms of dead people, civilians, Iraqi dead people, those numbers are high and they’re getting worse, despite the increased military troop levels of the United States, the so-called surge having been in effect over the past couple of months.

BOUSTANY: Well, Wolf, I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah. That’s a major…

BLITZER: But you had a lot of security with you. You had a lot of U.S. military protection.

BOUSTANY: We had a platoon of Marines.

BLITZER: Yes, well, a platoon of Marines is a lot of Marines to walk through Fallujah. That’s not like…

BOUSTANY: But, Wolf, three months ago, two months ago, not even that could have happened so I think that’s…

BLITZER: I was in Fallujah two years ago, and it was a bad situation then. But some argue that maybe there’s a slight improvement right now, but it’s still very dangerous.

BOUSTANY: I would argue that the improvement is major.

BLITZER: And if you didn’t have a platoon of Marines with you, you couldn’t be walking around by yourself.




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553 Responses to “Blitzer Dismantles Rep. Boustany’s Assertions Of Progress In Iraq”

  1. Dave C Says:

    There’s probably not an unsafe place on the planet if you have a platoon of marines surrounding you. What a crock.


  2. VJ Says:

    Boustany is too loopy from drinkin’ the Purple Kool-Aid to discuss anything rationally.


  3. Edgar Says:

    I wish they would make these apologists for the Bussh Regime walk around Iraq without military protection. I think they would sing a different tune (if they lived to tell about it).


  4. veritas Says:

    Another BushCo fraud “outed” (and handily) again! Go Wolfie! It’s time you and your cadre of sycophants realize that the american people will repudiate you and your network if you fail to present the truth.


  5. veritas Says:

    Bush’s September Progress Report = Just another propagandized crock of $hit!


  6. Jay Randal Says:

    Plus Boustany needs to admit that most of the citizens of Fallujah either fled or were killed and the city patrolled like a giant prison complex.


  7. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Comment by veritas — September 2, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.


  8. Andrew M Says:

    Boustany claims that two months ago it would not have been possible for the him to walk through fallujah, even with the platoon of marines, but how long ago was it that John McCain did the same thing? More then two months, if I’m not mistaken…


  9. bilbogaggins Says:

    Wow, Wolf Blitzer is no longer Bush’s poodle. Will wonders ever cease. I hope this means that Blitzer has seen the light and will keep this up. Actually, what it will probably mean is that Bush and Company will make sure that no one is allowed near Blitzer from this day forward.


  10. kasinca Says:

    These shameless bootlickers have a place in hell awaiting their lying asses. They will say anything, send any number of troops to their death for the profits of the military industrial complex and to protect their loveless neo-conservative masters. What worthless examples of thugs these warmongers and their apologist trolls are. All worthless cowards.


  11. ronjazz, troll crusher Says:

    Boustany claims that two months ago it would not have been possible for the him to walk through fallujah, even with the platoon of marines, but how long ago was it that John McCain did the same thing? More then two months, if I’m not mistaken…

    Comment by Andrew M — September 2, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

    Boustany is a typical kook, far-right moonbat with those remarks. These Repigs get on teevee and lie and lie and lie, over and over again, and get called on the lies, with facts, and then continue to lie. Clinton looks like George Washington next to any Republican politician.

    Actaully, Barbara Bush looks like George Washingten next to anything.


  12. bilbogaggins Says:

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    What is a moonbat? And what veritas said was true whether or not you like it. If you don’t like it, you are welcome to leave and go cry in your milk over at redstate.com with your brethren. You can see your kool-aid enhanced world crumbling around you and it makes you mad. Well, too bad, the truth is going to win this time.


  13. Serenity Now Says:

    The reason these Republicans continue to go on ‘news’ shows and throw around a lot of B.S. is because 90% of the time the host won’t call them on it (that includes Wolfey). The media has been complicit for so long that the politicians never even think that they will be called out when on tv.

    I’m sure the good Senator chewed Wolf a new one during the break for bringing up facts during the interview.

    As punishment Wolf will be replaced in the Situation Room with Glenn Beck. Someone who knows how to let the BS run free.


  14. Keith Says:

    Common sense should tell you that the Iraqi government would want to keep the official number of people killed low. It’s only natural to make themselves look better than they really are. And who is going to argue with them?

    There is so much chaos, there are so many different ways to die there, and so little of the country is safe to travel in—that the offical statistics cannot be the whole story.


  15. kasinca Says:

    To all trolls and apologists: In time all the lies that are being covered up will be revealed. When it happens you are history and will never be in a position of power again. You have failed and you have defended criminal actions. There is a place in hell for people who defend the thugs in the crime family.


  16. Keith Says:

    Octavianus/Mr P’s link has George Bush and Tony Snow as equivalent to our founding fathers. Totally disgusting.


  17. WC Says:

    I wish they would make these apologists for the Bussh Regime walk around Iraq without military protection. I think they would sing a different tune (if they lived to tell about it).

    Comment by Edgar — September 2, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    I wonder how “excited” they’d be if they got shot at on the ground?

    After his plane was forced to take evasive maneuvers to avoid rocket-propelled grenades while taking off from Baghdad, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) said “he watched through the window as the grenades exploded near the plane. He said he felt the blasts.” Asked if he was frightened, Inhofe responded, “Not a bit. I was kind of excited.”


  18. Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver Says:

    Comment by veritas — September 2, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS
    ________________________

    That’s right. Veritas’ comments haven’t been “Deciderizicized” as all true comments must be. The Deciderizicizin’ process involves Bush sitting on your face in an airport restroom.


  19. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Octavianus/Mr P’s link has George Bush and Tony Snow as equivalent to our founding fathers. Totally disgusting.

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
    ———-

    What are you talking about?

    Those are two separate posts, check the categories, smart guy!


  20. Keith Says:

    #16,

    Come to think of it, Reagan said the Contras (drug-running terrorists, murderers, rapists, and kidnappers who could never hold an inch of Nicaragua) were the moral equivalant of our founding fathers.


  21. gummitch Says:

    Blitzer! When did he grow a pair, anyway? I think I need a drink, because the sight of one of our media goofballs actually challenging a Republican who is spreading the Administration’s manure is just too startling to comprehend.

    I love that he got Boustany to blurt out that bit about a platoon of Marines. Heh. The politicos were probably hunkered in the middle of that platoon as well, with lots of extra-special body armor on.

    What a tool.


  22. WC Says:

    Boustany claims that two months ago it would not have been possible for the him to walk through fallujah, even with the platoon of marines, but how long ago was it that John McCain did the same thing? More then two months, if I’m not mistaken…

    Comment by Andrew M — September 2, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

    It was 5 months ago…

    Sen. John McCain strolled briefly through an open-air market in Baghdad today in an effort to prove that Americans are “not getting the full picture” of what’s going on in Iraq.
    .
    .
    .
    Posted by Faiz April 1, 2007 7:35 pm


  23. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    To all trolls and apologists: In time all the lies that are being covered up will be revealed….

    Comment by kasinca — September 2, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
    ————————————-

    Is this a religious revelation?

    r u a prophet?


  24. Keith Says:

    r u a prophet?

    Comment by OCTAVIANUS

    Aren’t YOU the one who believes in The Rapture?


  25. bilbogaggins Says:

    “I love that he got Boustany to blurt out that bit about a platoon of Marines. Heh. The politicos were probably hunkered in the middle of that platoon as well, with lots of extra-special body armor on.
    What a tool.
    Comment by gummitch “

    You are right. The visiting “dignitaries” and their Blackwater guards all get Dragon Skin armor while our troops get the less effective and less expensive armor. Anyone want to bet who pays for the Dragon Skin armor the Blackwater mercenaries wear? Our government, that’s who. They can’t afford the best armor for our troops, but they can afford it for mercenaries making over $100,000 a year.


  26. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    No, Keith.

    I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this…

    that’s not me, it’s “RALPH”


  27. bilbogaggins Says:

    “Is this a religious revelation?
    r u a prophet?
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS”

    Nope, it’s the truth. Something you reptards know nothing about.


  28. Keith Says:

    Bilbo, you mean WE pay for it.


  29. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    OCTAVIANVS sez:

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.

    Typical neocon apologist drivel.


  30. bilbogaggins Says:

    “Bilbo, you mean WE pay for it.
    Comment by Keith”

    This is true. But if WE were asked who we wanted the Dragon Skin armor to go to, WE should not give it to the Blackwater mercenaries, we would give it to our brave soldiers. So even though the money came out of our pockets, we did not choose to spend it that way.


  31. Keith Says:

    Comment by OCTAVIANUS

    So, you only believe that it is Armageddon that Bush’s actions are taking us towards?


  32. Badger Says:

    The Republicans will desperately cling to any anecdotal glimmers of hope….because if this surge fails….Bush’s Iraq policy is toast.
    …I wish Blitzer and his fellow tv journalists had asked the hard questions before we got into this quagmire.


  33. Bill in Chicago Says:

    With idiots like this running the show, it’s no wonder we’re chasing around Iraq like the keystone cops.

    And of course, Iraq is the wrong country to begin with:

    http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

    Turns out the young fanatics who murdered 18 Americas in the Mosul mess tent bombing in 2004, and who blew up the Golden Mosque in Samara in 2006 (inciting the full-blown sectarian carnage we see today), came from the exact same country as the overwhelming majority of the 9/11 hijackers. And even that is just the tip of the iceberg. Yet these dullards can’t seem to put one and one together.


  34. HighPockets Says:

    What did Malcolm X say about “progress?” “You can’t stab a man in the back, pull the knife half-way out and say it’s ‘progress.’” We’ll see what our GOP friends say about the Iraq “progress” as the 2008 elections near. And you thought it was tough being a Republican in 2006.


  35. fubar Says:

    It makes me sick that our military has to walk around these morons so they can say the “surge” is working. Why should our kids be put at any more risk than they are already subjected to for photo ops for these retards who will never admit they f’d up when they voted for this debacle.


  36. bilbogaggins Says:

    Send Wolf Blitzer an e-mail thanking him for finally doing the right thing by calling a Bush apologist on his lies.

    http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?65


  37. tarazan Says:

    So after 5 years in war with Iraq,and over 600 billion dollars spent so far,congressman Boustany thinks it is a progress to walk in a city accompanied by platoon of marines and army to protect him.

    I like to see him walking alone,and see what will he be saying..I don’t think he will do it alone anyway.


  38. bilbogaggins Says:

    “It makes me sick that our military has to walk around these morons so they can say the “surge” is working. Why should our kids be put at any more risk than they are already subjected to for photo ops for these retards who will never admit they f’d up when they voted for this debacle.”

    If you look closely, I bet you will see that the people immediately around these “dignitaries” are not US soldiers, but Blackwater mercenaries. They are also who guard the Generals like Betrayus.


  39. WC Says:

    Bilbo, you mean WE pay for it.

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

    In more ways than one, dude…


  40. Keith Says:

    Nobel-winning economist says war’s total cost will be over $2 Trillion. This was before the surge. He has since said it must be more.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/ print/ 0,,5369059-103550,00.html


  41. gummitch Says:

    No, Keith.

    I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this…

    that’s not me, it’s “RALPH”

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 7:16 pm

    You can’t blame Keith if he can’t tell the difference between you and Ralph, especially when you egg Ralph on and post sycophantic rants on his blog. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas, Mr Pee.


  42. WC Says:

    This is true. But if WE were asked who we wanted the Dragon Skin armor to go to, WE should not give it to the Blackwater mercenaries, we would give it to our brave soldiers. So even though the money came out of our pockets, we did not choose to spend it that way.

    Comment by bilbogaggins — September 2, 2007 @ 7:19 pm

    The “Dragon Skin” armor was ordered by parents and family members and shipped to their loved ones in Iraq because our government f*cked up on providing proper body armor

    Finding out about this, the government told them to stop, because in their testing it was less effective than what the government was…er, should have been…supplying.

    I found this on defense-update.com; there was no date for the info, but I think it is from earlier this year.

    Although being involved in the development of the Dragon Skin and the different technology it employs, the Army indicated that in its current state of development, its capabilities do not meet their requirements and therefore demanded the removal of all unauthorized body armor.

    While the US Army flatly rejected the new system, DragonSkin SOV body armor is currently in use with US Special Forces, Police Tactical Teams and is apporved by foreign militaries.


  43. AngryOne Says:

    Discussing “accountability” for education results in New Orleans Tuesday, President Bush reiterated one of his favorite sound bites, “It’s what I call challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations.” Alas, not when it comes to the President himself and certainly not when the subject is the progress in Iraq.

    For the details on why the White House and its allies want the GAO to grade Bush’s Iraq surge on a curve, see:
    “White House: Bush Deserves ‘Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations’ on Iraq.”


  44. WC Says:

    Oops…forgot the period at the end of the first paragraph in my prev. post.

    Sorry.


  45. Badger Says:

    Unfortunately.. the cost of the Iraq war will be measured in more than dollars and ruined lives. According to a member of the Naval Postgraduate school The first generation of Al Qaeda came through thr Afghan Camps, the next generation built the Islamic Web sites, and the third generation have come through the crucible of Iraq. Eventually, their level of skill is going to be greater than the original generation. Jihadi University of Iraq.


  46. George Says:

    I loved the part where the Congressman was going on about how wonderful it was that he could go to Fallujah with a platoon of Marines and Wolf brought out that he had been in Fallujah two years ago –presumably without a platoon of Marines behind him. That was the whole chickenhawk in a nutshell — Republicans feel so brave and wise when they dip their toes into Iraq for a half hour with at least 36 heavily armed men, blackhawks, and armored vehicles behind them. They think that gives them some street cred against the reporters who spend months there with an interpreter and a camaraman.


  47. A.Political Says:

    Occasionally Wolfie calls people on things like this, why does he not do it more often? The fact that he just cut through the BS here proves that he is not a mindless drone of his corporate overlords, so does he just puch the envelope every once and awhile, then has to step-back in fear of getting reprimanded?


  48. WC Says:

    Sounds like our government didn’t want anyone interfering with the profits they were making on the “Interceptor Body Armor” that they are supplying to the troops.

    Nah…greed couldn’t have anything to do with it.


  49. Keith Says:

    Michael Ware has been on the ground in Iraq since March 2003. He has interviewed everyone in the Iraqi political spectrum. And he’s not afraid to speak the truth. He says there is no Iraqi government–just a poor patchwork of militia alliances and Maliki does not have the allegiance of a single militia.

    Too many in the government like Iranian support. I would look for an American-backed coup in the near future.


  50. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Yea But Michael Ware won’t whitewash his reports like the administration wants so the repuggies refuse to listen to anything he has to say.



  51. BARTLEBEE Says:

    If Michael Ware survives this thing, they’ll make a movie about his adventures in Iraq from the book he’s gonna write.


  52. jb Says:

    GOP propagandists use our troops for photo-ops and care not if they are outfitted with proper armor or are exhausted from extended tours or that they will return to USA to depleted VA budgets and lack of jobs. As long as Iraq’s economy and oil is privatized to US corps, the GOPers could care less how many working class suckers who signed up for military suffer or die.


  53. lylepink Says:

    This is only more misinformation that has been going on since we first invaded Iraq. I have been opposed to this war for oil/money from the start, and as each day passes it only goes to show how accurate I have been. I only hope and pray the Congress has the guts to finally support our troops by getting them out of there. The lives and limbs of our troops as well as the innocent Iraq folks surely is not worth the continueation of this senseless war against folks that were no threat to the US.


  54. Man in the Middle Says:

    Although the “surge” is working in Ramadi, unfortunately there is more violence erupting in areas with a lesser US/Iraqi security presence.

    The problem has been, and continues to be that the Bush administration is conducting the Iraq campaign “on the cheap” without an adequate number of boots on the ground.

    Back when some generals were critical of the administration’s overly optimistic views of how many troops it would take to maintain order in a post-Saddam Iraq, the anti-war factions were so busy cheering they didn’t realize those generals were talking to them, too, in addition to people who supported going into Iraq. (As a side note, about 2/3 of the country was in favor of taking out Saddam, some more conditionally than others.)

    As Americans, we all own this war until the last of our troops are safely home. If one is a citizen of this country, there is no alternate reality where Bush is not your president and the Iraq War is not your war. Those who think otherwise have no business calling themselves patriots.


  55. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Thanks, michael!


  56. BARTLEBEE Says:

    You are Michael.


  57. michael Says:

    “I only hope and pray the Congress has the guts to finally support our troops by getting them out of there.

    Comment by lylepink — September 2, 2007″

    So that Iran can control Iraq’s oil fields? Listen, even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!


  58. A.Political Says:

    Nah…greed couldn’t have anything to do with it.
    =============

    Nope he supports the troops and we don’t, there is no greed involved.

    And when I say support I mean supports as in using them a props for support or as political pawns in a dastardly game of play out the clock…but as the clock ticks we look for a savior, and here he is…

    its LAME DUCK PREZNIT MAN…savior of big business, champion of MNCs, he stands tall as we walks on the middle class and poor, he knows whats up, with ears in everyones communications how could he not - fresh from defeating the pathetic villain Civil Liberties he is ready to crush his arch nemesis Bi-partisanship and it’s trusty sidekick ‘Whatever the f%@k is left of civilization’…

    once this victory is complete. As he looks around and sees feudal England surrounding him…serfs paupers and nobility…he realizes he has also created a time machine of sorts, realizing this he know his job is done!!!


  59. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    As Americans, we all own this war until the last of our troops are safely home. If one is a citizen of this country, there is no alternate reality where Bush is not your president and the Iraq War is not your war. Those who think otherwise have no business calling themselves patriots.

    Comment by Man in the Middle — September 2, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
    ————————————–

    You’re right, but these folks will never understand that.


  60. michael Says:

    “To all trolls and apologists: In time all the lies that are being covered up will be revealed….

    Comment by kasinca — September 2, 2007″

    What lies? And who’s going to reveal them?


  61. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Michael Ware…

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Who’s that?


  62. Frank J Says:

    Not so fast my friend.

    More than 1,800 Iraqis killed in August

    BAGHDAD - A huge suicide attack in northern Iraq caused civilian deaths to rise slightly in August despite security gains elsewhere, making it the second deadliest month for Iraqis since the U.S. troop buildup began, figures compiled by The Associated Press showed Saturday.

    At least 1,809 civilians were killed, compared to 1,760 in July, based on figures compiled from official Iraqi reports.

    U.S. deaths last month remained well below figures from last winter, when the U.S began dispatching 30,000 additional troops to Iraq.

    The trend is the same, though the specific numbers differ. The AP often includes deaths of Iraqi security officials and refers to them as “civilians.” They also list 520 killed by that spectacular suicide bombing by al Qaeda, whereas Iraq Coalition Casualty Count puts the number at 400. Despite these differences, the overall story is much the same. However, one difference is that the AP report says that August was “…the second deadliest month for Iraqis since the U.S. troop buildup began.” That does not seem right to me, and it does not correspond to media reports tracked by Iraq Coalition Casualty Count. The reporter offers no data to back his assertion.


  63. gummitch Says:

    So that Iran can control Iraq’s oil fields? Listen, even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Delusional, as always. The US doesn’t give a sh!t whether Iran controls the oil fields, or if it’s the flying monkeys from Oz, just so long as US corporations have unrestricted access to it. An Iranian-controlled stable government in Iraq would be okie-dokie with the US, as long as everything was stable. Of course, a maniac dictator would be preferable because he would be less likely to hold us hostage for ethical reasons, but whatever works.

    It’s hysterical to read the rantings of “conservatives” like michael? who actually believe that there is some sort of moral imperative at work in this administration (or any other, really).


  64. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Who’s that?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Sucks to be ignorant, huh?


  65. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    ——–

    100% true.


  66. gummitch Says:

    Comment by Frank J — September 2, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

    And, hell, they’re just Iraqis, right? Who gives a sh!t?


  67. BARTLEBEE Says:

    What lies? And who’s going to reveal them?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    All the lies wormwood. The lies that the President told to take us to war. The lies that he told to spy on us. The lies that he is a human being.

    ALL the lies, little wormwood.


  68. gummitch Says:

    #

    Michael Ware…

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Who’s that?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Weren’t you part of the howling morons criticizing Michael Ware as an Islamoapologist just a week or two ago? Is that too far in the past for you to remember?

    You’re a tool, Mr Pee.


  69. michael Says:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    The above link will give you the count by day.


  70. BARTLEBEE Says:

    100% true.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    If by 100 percent you mean Zero percent, then yes.

    But we’ll be happy to ship your dumb ass there for the next few decades.


  71. michael Says:

    “The lies that the President told to take us to war. The lies that he told to spy on us. The lies that he is a human being.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Got any PROOF?


  72. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Michael Ware is the guy who’s making you fools look like the nazi propaganda machines that you are.


  73. A.Political Says:

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
    =============

    bwahahahaahahaha, pure comedy, best laugh I’ve had this weekend, thanks pylon, thank you :)


  74. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    Sure inbred. Congress has copies of the intelligence reports given to Bush, and the one he passed on, SANS the information discrediting the aluminum tubes and the niger yellow cake incident.

    And when a dem takes the WH, we’re gonna shove it down your throat, you inbred goosestepping dick.


  75. A.Political Says:

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
    =============

    you can find a lot of links to chase with proof as your ultimate reward
    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Iraq_war
    I mean its no conservapedia, but it does have footnotes and info backing up its assertions, unlike, hmmm I dunno, everything the wurlitzer pumps out?!?!?


  76. Frank J Says:

    In terms of civilian casualties, July and August are higher than June, but lower than the first four months of the surge operation (which basically started in February of this year). In the graph below, you can also see the trends since the Golden Mosque bombing in February 2006, where al Qaeda successfully triggered an upswing in sectarian violence. They tried to start a civil war, and it’s still working in parts of Baghdad.


  77. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Hey Frank.

    When are you gonna be a casualty?


  78. dbadass Says:

    ALL the lies, little wormwood.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    Sounds like the pretend absinthe hustled in the states.


  79. Man in the Middle Says:

    #60

    You’re right, but these folks will never understand that.

    How can this be? With the ThinkProgress label slapped all over everything here, one would presume that a] they think before opening their mouths or tapping away at their keyboards and b] they know how to respectfully agree to disagree and compromise, because there can be no progress otherwise.


  80. Xbot Says:

    So who planted him with probably temporary balls again?

    How many sex scandals is Boustany involved with, that even Blitzer feels safe enough to speak up?


  81. michael Says:

    “If by 100 percent you mean Zero percent, then yes.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Thanks for displaying your little liberal mind! Do you think for one moment that only the man sitting in the Oval Office is controlling this war? There are thousands of global corporations who have a vested interest in seeing that the flow of oil in the Middle East remains flowing. Do you actually think that a Hillary as president is going to changes this? If you do, you haven’t a clue about how the global markets work!


  82. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Delusional, as always.

    Yes, it seems that you are.

    The US doesn’t give a sh!t whether Iran controls the oil fields,

    We most certainly do.

    or if it’s the flying monkeys from Oz,

    This must be the delusions you were referring to.

    just so long as US corporations have unrestricted access to it. An Iranian-controlled stable government in Iraq would be okie-dokie with the US,

    Sorry, try again!

    as long as everything was stable.

    You do realize the ideology of the Muslims that control Iran, don’t you?

    Of course, a maniac dictator would be preferable because he would be less likely to hold us hostage for ethical reasons, but whatever works.

    Another one of your delusions… seek help.

    It’s hysterical to read the rantings of “conservatives” like michael? who actually believe that there is some sort of moral imperative at work in this administration (or any other, really).
    Comment by gummitch — September 2, 2007 @ 8:04 pm

    Well, that’s because there is. It is the imperative to save innocent people of all nations, who are facing the Islamic extremism, and to prevent further attacks on innocent Americans.


  83. A.Political Says:

    Comment by Man in the Middle — September 2, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
    =========

    a man caught in the middle of what? Caught in a crisis, a crisis of his big manly man and his party not fulfilling his coat-tail riding dream of manliness and vicarious life living, wake up pylon, you have to find another fantasy to live. Bushco is abandoning you like they abandoned civilization a long long time ago.


  84. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Our war in Iraq has created thousands and thousands of new, battle trained Al Quaida operatives, who after a short stint in Iraq for some really live fire drills, sneak across the border and assimilate into the population.

    The republicans are fools. Morons and babbling fools. Everyone sees what fools they are. Even the most neutral man on the planet, Wolf Blitzer, made a fool of that inbred administration bootlicker.

    No one other than this handful of mindless waterboys left in here is fooled by the forked tongue of the administration, and they won’t live down the trainwreck that was the Bush administration in our lifetimes.


  85. michael Says:

    “Congress has copies of the intelligence reports given to Bush, and the one he passed on, SANS the information discrediting the aluminum tubes and the niger yellow cake incident.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Really? So when are they going to arrest him and put him on trial? Answer? Their not, because they don’t have anything!


  86. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Do you think for one moment that only the man sitting in the Oval Office is controlling this war? There are thousands of global corporations who have a vested interest in seeing that the flow of oil in the Middle East remains flowing.

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:14 pm

    You pathetic worm. Stick your nose up Bush’s ass a little further, and smell the fudge. Then open wide, and goibble it up, you buttlicking lapdog.


  87. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Really? So when are they going to arrest him and put him on trial? Answer? Their not, because they don’t have anything!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:17 pm

    Go back and read the rest of the comment you simpleminded puss.


  88. A.Political Says:

    Really? So when are they going to arrest him and put him on trial? Answer? Their not, because they don’t have anything!
    =====

    neither did Starr, yes I get to bring a Clinton reference in like you guys always do, but the major difference is the respect for the country, whats best for America is a democratic principle, not whats best for the immediate self-gratification of bathroom cruising, pork gobbling theoctratic pompous republicans.


  89. michael Says:

    “we’re gonna shove it down your throat, you inbred goosestepping dick.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Such big words for such a little mind!


  90. michael Says:

    “Stick your nose up Bush’s ass a little further, and smell the fudge. Then open wide, and goibble it up, you buttlicking lapdog.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    On display for all to see! A typical liberal mind!


  91. A.Political Says:

    Such big words for such a little mind!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
    =========

    you feel big now don’t you, why don’t you throw in a ‘bring em’on’ reference now? you big manly keyboard warrior you!!


  92. BARTLEBEE Says:

    Such big words for such a little mind!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:21 pm

    Too big for you to read the first time anyway, huh?

    But we both knew you read em. We both knew you knew them. You just are a born liar.

    A skill that you learned from your mom.


  93. A.Political Says:

    A skill that you learned from your mom.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
    ======

    oh oh, its a ‘yo mama’ war!


  94. michael Says:

    “but the major difference is the respect for the country, whats best for America

    Comment by A.Political — September 2, 2007″

    And Bush is doing just that. He’s fighting terrorists over there so we don’t have to do it here! Thank you President Bush!


  95. Frank J Says:

    The libs are getting pretty desperate now. If the U.S. wins they are doomed in 08′. For the libs the United States must lose.


  96. A.Political Says:

    And Bush is doing just that. He’s fighting terrorists over there so we don’t have to do it here! Thank you President Bush!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
    =====

    Are you being serious or facetious? Please be joking, please?


  97. A.Political Says:

    He’s fighting terrorists over there so we don’t have to do it here!
    =======

    Still cracks me up that whole J Stweart skit on building a dam in Arizona so we can fight the water over there rather than in Louisiana.


  98. michael Says:

    “Please be joking, please?

    Comment by A.Political — September 2, 2007″

    No I’m not! You should get on your hands and knees every night and thank him!


  99. A.Political Says:

    You should get on your hands and knees every night and thank him!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
    ========

    thats you and the 28% rendition of a “Bush’s Lewinsky”


  100. michael Says:

    “For the libs the United States must lose.

    Comment by Frank J — September 2, 2007″

    You are absolutely right! And don’t think that these liberal dopes here at TP aren’t part of that traitorous group!


  101. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    You pathetic worm. Stick your nose up Bush’s ass a little further, and smell the fudge. Then open wide, and goibble it up, you buttlicking lapdog.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
    ——————————

    Bartlebee,

    I’m glad you are Liberal!


  102. kasinca Says:

    What lies? And who’s going to reveal them?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Cover ups are always covering lies and crimes, sh$t for brains. What is all the stonewalling about? The truth always airs out, Spanky…didn’t learn anything in that trailer park home school of yours?


  103. j swift Says:

    “I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah,”

    or fly into Baghdad without having RPGs shot at their plane…oh wait.


  104. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    “For the libs the United States must lose.

    Comment by Frank J — September 2, 2007″

    You are absolutely right! And don’t think that these liberal dopes here at TP aren’t part of that traitorous group!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
    ———————————-

    TPers are some of the most traitorous. Normal everyday liberals, like Joe Lieberman, and even further left Dems, like Clinton, would be ashamed of all the kook fringe traitors here at TP.


  105. Not Canadian Says:

    NO MORE CHICKENHAWK LEADERS.

    Either put up, or shut the HELL up!


  106. Keith Says:

    Man In the Middle,

    First, the only thing you find in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and roadkill. Secondly, yes, the majority of Americans and some Democrats in Congress supported the invasion———because they got countless lives for the previous ten months:

    Saddam is an imminent threat, ready to launch in 15 minutes, he has stockpiles of nuclear, bio, and chemical WMDs, the drones, the mobile weapons labs, trying to acquire yellowcake from Africa, the aluminum tubes, he is working with al Qaeda, the meeting in Prague, the shack in the North, 9/11, 9/11, etc., etc.


  107. kasinca Says:

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    28% is a minority, shit for brains. If TPers are traitors, you are a knuckle dragging, bottom feeding, troglodyte. Go read a book, moron.


  108. A.Political Says:

    “Normal everyday liberals, like Joe Lieberman”
    =========

    Rabble rousers, pure and simple!! Quick get down on your hands and knees and thank Bush Octogenarian


  109. Keith Says:

    No major US city lost for over two years, thank you O’ great President Bush.


  110. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Ha!

    Nice try, Keith.

    Nice try.


  111. BARTLEBEE Says:

    I tried to tell you what I really felt, but the TP censor nuked it.


  112. kasinca Says:

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

    And a failed policy for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies has had what to do with your comment, Spanky? How many years between Trade Center I and Trade Center II? It wasn’t overnight and there is no reason to attack when our government is taking away your liberties and rights and destroying our constitution. Dubya and Cheney are doing the work for them. Go read a book, you may learn something. FAUXNOIZ has you dumb as dirt.


  113. Keith Says:

    Kasinca,

    You do realize that #111 was highly sarcastic, don’t you? I didn’t think it could be taken any other way.


  114. lylepink Says:

    I just found this blog today and find the usual intellegent remarks with a tad of the usual stupid ones. By and large this is a good one without the rambling of a bunch of idiots.


  115. kasinca Says:

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

    Sorry, Keith. I am just driving by, troll shooting for a while today. I don’t have time to waste on these bottom feeders but can’t let them go. Sorry for the friendly fire.


  116. ipod Says:

    just a matter of time - one of these congressmen or women will be strolling around marvelling at the progress being made and then get their heads blown off…..meanwhile the taliban are also making progress in afghanistan


  117. Tom3 Says:

    Repukes are the real traitors.

    Brewster-Jennings.


  118. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    I just found this blog today and find the usual intellegent remarks with a tad of the usual stupid ones. By and large this is a good one without the rambling of a bunch of idiots.

    Comment by lylepink — September 2, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
    —————————————–

    Thanks!


  119. Enja Says:

    I emailed CNN and asked them to quit echoing the White House lies. Now I don’t think my email alone did it, but if we all email and even to the F-Network as Cafferty calls it, it could make a difference. So email them and tell them you’re sick of their lies.


  120. Royston Grace Says:

    Anti-Iraq war = Traitor Liberal? NOT… I am a lifelong Republican from a family of conservative Republicans & I am dead set against this phoney war on terror and the Iraq war, thank you, as are many of my family and friends.


  121. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!


  122. barfly Says:

    “Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!”

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Then enlist, you cowardly punk.


  123. Badger Says:

    Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    NO… you’re a flaming Crusader. And Bin Laden’s mirror image.


  124. Ed Rollings Says:

    Then enlist, you cowardly punk.

    Comment by barfly

    When and where did you serve?


  125. Ed Rollings Says:

    Then enlist, you cowardly punk..

    Comment by barfly

    When and where did you serve?


  126. lylepink Says:

    OCTAVAINVS: Thanks for your Thanks. I am all over the political spectrum, and moderate would describe me best. I’ll check out some of the earlier stories and be back shoortly.


  127. Ed Rollings Says:

    I am all over the political spectrum, and moderate would describe me best.

    Comment by lylepink

    Our presidential candidate is going to be a moderate, Rudy Giulani. Welcome to the fold.


  128. Ed Rollings Says:

    The libs looked pretty bad in this thread. What happened?


  129. Ed Rollings Says:

    “Blitzer Dismantles Rep. Boustany’s Assertions Of Progress In Iraq”

    lol, yeah right.

    Boustany quickly rebutted Blitzer’s comment and Blitzer acquiesced.


  130. Bush_is_a_Moron Says:

    Could it be???!! Wolfie’s finally found his balls??!! It’s about time!


  131. kasinca Says:

    Not all Republicans are morons, just those booklicking, bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, 28%ers who still make excuses for the failed thugs in the crime family are morons…dumb as common road gravel.


  132. Ed Rollings Says:

    Could it be???!! Wolfie’s finally found his balls??!! It’s about time!

    Comment by Bush_is_a_Moron

    Blizer asked him about the Iraqi report. After Boustany rebutted it, Blizter quickly acquiesced and agreed with Boustany.


  133. A.Political Says:

    NO… you’re a flaming Crusader. And Bin Laden’s mirror image.

    Comment by Badger — September 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
    ========

    Nope, he is just flaming….period ;)


  134. Red Schmeckel Says:

    The Titanic never sunk. Pure Lib propaganda.


  135. KingCranky Says:

    “The lies that the President told to take us to war. The lies that he told to spy on us. The lies that he is a human being.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    Well, if you really believed W’s strategy is paying off, you’d actually be over there backing up his easily-debunked rhetoric about the escalation

    The fact that you and the other willfully ignorant W rabble aren’t actually walking your talk shows even you all aren’t so stupid as to really believe this escalation is actually working, no matter how much you or the other W lackeys blather, bleat or screech otherwise

    The fact you’re not putting your life in W’s hands by getting over to Iraq, ASAP, just shows how little real-world faith you place in W’s competence at being “A War President”

    Hey, I don’t blame you for not trusting President Rat Bastard enough to sign up for active military service, but far too many of the W-addled Chickenhawks cast aspersions towards those against the same military conflicts the Chickenhawks squawk their enthusiastic, non-physical support for, true hypocrisy and personal cowardice of a stunning caliber

    With this Administration, success in Iraq is a logical impossibility, failure the obvious outcome from before the idiotic invasion & occupation, and by overthrowing Saddam Hussein instead of achieving any kind of justice for those victimized on Sept 11, W meekly surrendered to Usama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and the Taliban, all resurgent now instead of properly crushed, all holed up in Pakistan, a country highly sympathetic to UbL, al-Qaeda & the Taliban and a country with an actual nuclear arsenal, along with a missile it just tested capable of carrying a nuclear payload

    But hey, focus on a non-nuclear Iran instead of a nuclear-armed Pakistan, makes about as much sense as going after bin Laden by invading & occupying Iraq at the rate of over $2 Billion a week


  136. Mike C Says:

    “NO… you’re a flaming Crusader. And Bin Laden’s mirror image.”

    Right on, Badger
    ——————————

    “Sorry, Keith. I am just driving by, troll shooting for a while today. I don’t have time to waste on these bottom feeders but can’t let them go. Sorry for the friendly fire.

    Comment by kasinca”

    Cool apology, kasinca…nicely handled :)


  137. Vincennes Says:

    Republicans like facts as much as they like homosexuals.


  138. ronjazz, troll crusher Says:

    there is no alternate reality where Bush is not your president and the Iraq War is not your war. Those who think otherwise have no business calling themselves patriots.

    Comment by Man in the Middle — September 2, 2007 @ 7:55 pm

    screw that. you broke it, you bought it. i don’t own this “war”, and i have no fealty to this deserter-in-Chief.


  139. A.Political Says:

    Cool apology, kasinca…nicely handled :)

    Comment by Mike C — September 2, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
    =============

    Flame On!


  140. mystery guest Says:

    Another thing to remember, just like on the 60 Minutes report (repeat) tonight, is that our troops are probably killing many citizens when invading homes (thank you George Bush for blessing the Iraqi home) and then just blaming it on sectarian violence or the #1 boogyman, Al Quida.
    Just a hunch.


  141. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Comment by mystery guest — September 2, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

    Why does the left hate the U.S. Troops?


  142. Zep Tepi Says:

    Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    Mr P? Still up to your same old tricks?

    Well I say good for Wolfie, about time he got some Heuvos.


  143. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Thanks, michael!


  144. ronjazz, troll crusher Says:

    Such big words for such a little mind!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:21 pm

    well, they were aimed at you, so you are right, for the first time ever!


  145. Keith Says:

    The left is not responsible for the killing and maiming of our troops and the destruction of our military, nor the tremendous gift to fundamentalist Islamists, nor the bankrupting of the US.


  146. Keith Says:

    Mr P claiming to be a liberal. What a compulsive liar!


  147. Zep Tepi Says:

    Why does the left hate the U.S. Troops?
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I don’t, we just don’t think they, as the CIC George Bush said, should be used for nation building.

    Why do you hate the troops and use them for nation buidling Mr P?


  148. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Another thing to remember, just like on the 60 Minutes report (repeat) tonight, is that our troops are probably killing many citizens when invading homes (thank you George Bush for blessing the Iraqi home) and then just blaming it on sectarian violence or the #1 boogyman, Al Quida.
    Just a hunch.

    Comment by mystery guest — September 2, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

    ———-

    F- You, Liberal!!!

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm


  149. Octavius - Says:

    In peace sons bury fathers,
    War violates the order of nature and fathers bury sons.
    Herodotus, Histories


  150. Zep Tepi Says:

    Thanks, michael! Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Oddly, michael posts about religion and peace, when the (R)ight wing religious folks see this as the beginning of the end, Armageddon.


  151. Zep Tepi Says:

    F- You, Liberal!!! Octavius aka Mr P.

    Planning to screw yourself Mr P?


  152. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Comment by Octavius - — September 2, 2007 @ 10:12 pm

    Um.. Don’t you mean:

    No one is fool enough to choose war instead of peace - in peace sons bury fathers, but in war fathers bury sons. It must have been heaven’s will that this should happen.

    Herodotus, Histories (Book I, 87)


  153. Octavius - Says:

    In peace sons bury fathers,
    War violates the order of nature and fathers bury sons.
    Herodotus, Histories

    Comment by Octavius -

    What say you, O Mighty Windbag?


  154. Frank J Says:

    Only the dead have seen the end of war–Plato


  155. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    What say you, O Mighty Windbag?

    Comment by Octavius - — September 2, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
    ——————

    I smell a wet dog!

    A hound, if you will.


  156. Keith Says:

    The majority of Iraqi civilians are killed by bombs from planes, jet fire, and helicopter gunships. Only the US does this.

    That is, unless you count our destruction of their clean water and hospitals.

    One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five. Second-worst failed state in the world.


  157. Octavius - Says:

    Wars and revolutions and battles are due simply and solely to the body and its desires. All wars are undertake for the acquisition of wealth; and the reason why we have to acquire wealth is the body, because we are slaves in its service.

    _Guess-Who_


  158. Zep Tepi Says:

    It must have been heaven’s will that this should happen. Herodotus

    Only the good die young, meanwhile Mr P is making sure he is evil and hellbound.


  159. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    “The desire to acquire is truly a very natural and normal thing; and when men who are able do so, they will always be praised and not condemned; but when they cannot and wish to do so at any cost, herein lies the error and the blame.”

    _Guess-Who_


  160. Octavius - Says:

    Peace with Justice and honor is the fairest and most profitable of possessions, but with disgrace and cowardice it is the most infamous and harmful of all.

    –Who Said That– Mighty idiot


  161. Octavius - Says:

    Never answered the question, did you?

    Who was it, Oh Mighty Scholar?


  162. ronjazz, troll crusher Says:

    A nation led by a coward becomes a coward nation, and this occupation and mass murder are signs of deep cowardice and immorality. Even more disgusting is the fact that innocents are being murdered in their beds by American troops that hve no business in service. Societal rejects, gang-bangers and felons have been allowed to lower the standards of our military because the cowards that shout loudest about the war are refusing to defend their principles and their president’s decision to illegally wage war against innocents. rightwingers have wounded this country very deeply, it may not recover.


  163. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Who was it, Oh Mighty Scholar?

    Comment by Octavius - — September 2, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
    ————————————————————————-

    Who cares? You can take quotes out of context and turn Plato and Aristotle into fascists! What’s your point, NHer?


  164. Octavius - Says:

    Never answered the QUESTION.

    If you are such an expert, you’d know who said it.

    And, in doing so, perhaps you might understand, just a little bit more.


  165. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    Besides, philosophers usually deal with ideal concepts. Plato was a Utopian, as can be seen from the name of his city in the Republic, Calliopolis, meaning “The Best City.”


  166. Keith Says:

    #154 sounds like Socrates.

    And Mr P, if you could understand what he says, then you would not have to always ask “What’s the point”?


  167. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    And, in doing so, perhaps you might understand, just a little bit more.
    Comment by Octavius - — September 2, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
    ——-

    I understand that you Proglibs live in CloudCuckooLand, and the rest of the world still uses war as a political instrument.


  168. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    OCTIVIANVS sez:

    Who was it, Oh Mighty Scholar?

    - Polybius

    Next.


  169. OCTAVIANVS Says:

    #154 sounds like Socrates.

    And Mr P, if you could understand what he says, then you would not have to always ask “What’s the point”?

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
    ————————-

    Socrates never wrote anything down, Keith. If you think that you know what “Socrates” said, you don’t understand Plato.