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Blitzer Dismantles Rep. Boustany’s Assertions Of Progress In Iraq

Appearing on CNN’s Late Edition this morning, Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA), who recently returned from Iraq, asserted “some major improvements” are being witnessed in Iraq. Echoing claims made by Gen. David Petraeus, Boustany said “sectarian deaths are down.”

Host Wolf Blitzer corrected Boustany’s assertion, citing Iraqi health ministry statistics that report Iraqi civilian deaths have been climbing. The LA Times reports:

Bombings, sectarian slayings and other violence related to the war killed at least 1,773 Iraqi civilians in August, the second month in a row that civilian deaths have risen, according to government figures obtained Friday. In July, the civilian death toll was 1,753, and in June it was 1,227.

Blitzer emphasized, “In terms of Iraqi dead people, those numbers are high and getting worse despite the increased military troop levels of the United States — the so-called surge — having been in effect over the past couple of months.”

Confronted with factual evidence proving his claims incorrect, Boustany attempted to pivot to anecdotal evidence of what he saw on the ground. “I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah,” he said. But Blitzer quickly noted “you had a lot of security with you,” forcing Boustany to acknowledge he walked with “a platoon of Marines.”

Watch it:

Transcript:

BOUSTANY: We’re clearly seeing some major improvements. Clearly in the Anbar Province, we’ve seen significant improvement. We were able to walk the streets of Fallujah. Sectarian deaths are down.

[...]

BLITZER: And Congressman Boustany, you say that the number of casualties is going down. But we took a closer look — and The Los Angeles Times did as well — citing Iraqi Health Ministry numbers. In June, it was 1,227 civilian deaths in Iraq. In July, it went up to 1,753 civilian deaths in Iraq. And in August, the month that just ended, 1,773 civilian deaths in Iraq. Those numbers are going in the wrong direction.

BOUSTANY: Well, I think what I mentioned earlier, Wolf, was the number of attacks. And, clearly, we have to look at all the metrics very carefully.

BLITZER: But statistics — you can play a lot of room with statistics. In terms of dead people, civilians, Iraqi dead people, those numbers are high and they’re getting worse, despite the increased military troop levels of the United States, the so-called surge having been in effect over the past couple of months.

BOUSTANY: Well, Wolf, I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah. That’s a major…

BLITZER: But you had a lot of security with you. You had a lot of U.S. military protection.

BOUSTANY: We had a platoon of Marines.

BLITZER: Yes, well, a platoon of Marines is a lot of Marines to walk through Fallujah. That’s not like…

BOUSTANY: But, Wolf, three months ago, two months ago, not even that could have happened so I think that’s…

BLITZER: I was in Fallujah two years ago, and it was a bad situation then. But some argue that maybe there’s a slight improvement right now, but it’s still very dangerous.

BOUSTANY: I would argue that the improvement is major.

BLITZER: And if you didn’t have a platoon of Marines with you, you couldn’t be walking around by yourself.



553 Responses to “Blitzer Dismantles Rep. Boustany’s Assertions Of Progress In Iraq”

  1. Dave C says:

    There’s probably not an unsafe place on the planet if you have a platoon of marines surrounding you. What a crock.


  2. VJ says:

    Boustany is too loopy from drinkin’ the Purple Kool-Aid to discuss anything rationally.


  3. Edgar says:

    I wish they would make these apologists for the Bussh Regime walk around Iraq without military protection. I think they would sing a different tune (if they lived to tell about it).


  4. veritas says:

    Another BushCo fraud “outed” (and handily) again! Go Wolfie! It’s time you and your cadre of sycophants realize that the american people will repudiate you and your network if you fail to present the truth.


  5. veritas says:

    Bush’s September Progress Report = Just another propagandized crock of $hit!


  6. Jay Randal says:

    Plus Boustany needs to admit that most of the citizens of Fallujah either fled or were killed and the city patrolled like a giant prison complex.


  7. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by veritas — September 2, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.


  8. Andrew M says:

    Boustany claims that two months ago it would not have been possible for the him to walk through fallujah, even with the platoon of marines, but how long ago was it that John McCain did the same thing? More then two months, if I’m not mistaken…


  9. bilbogaggins says:

    Wow, Wolf Blitzer is no longer Bush’s poodle. Will wonders ever cease. I hope this means that Blitzer has seen the light and will keep this up. Actually, what it will probably mean is that Bush and Company will make sure that no one is allowed near Blitzer from this day forward.


  10. kasinca says:

    These shameless bootlickers have a place in hell awaiting their lying asses. They will say anything, send any number of troops to their death for the profits of the military industrial complex and to protect their loveless neo-conservative masters. What worthless examples of thugs these warmongers and their apologist trolls are. All worthless cowards.


  11. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    Boustany claims that two months ago it would not have been possible for the him to walk through fallujah, even with the platoon of marines, but how long ago was it that John McCain did the same thing? More then two months, if I’m not mistaken…

    Comment by Andrew M — September 2, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

    Boustany is a typical kook, far-right moonbat with those remarks. These Repigs get on teevee and lie and lie and lie, over and over again, and get called on the lies, with facts, and then continue to lie. Clinton looks like George Washington next to any Republican politician.

    Actaully, Barbara Bush looks like George Washingten next to anything.


  12. bilbogaggins says:

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    What is a moonbat? And what veritas said was true whether or not you like it. If you don’t like it, you are welcome to leave and go cry in your milk over at redstate.com with your brethren. You can see your kool-aid enhanced world crumbling around you and it makes you mad. Well, too bad, the truth is going to win this time.


  13. Serenity Now says:

    The reason these Republicans continue to go on ‘news’ shows and throw around a lot of B.S. is because 90% of the time the host won’t call them on it (that includes Wolfey). The media has been complicit for so long that the politicians never even think that they will be called out when on tv.

    I’m sure the good Senator chewed Wolf a new one during the break for bringing up facts during the interview.

    As punishment Wolf will be replaced in the Situation Room with Glenn Beck. Someone who knows how to let the BS run free.


  14. Keith says:

    Common sense should tell you that the Iraqi government would want to keep the official number of people killed low. It’s only natural to make themselves look better than they really are. And who is going to argue with them?

    There is so much chaos, there are so many different ways to die there, and so little of the country is safe to travel in—that the offical statistics cannot be the whole story.


  15. kasinca says:

    To all trolls and apologists: In time all the lies that are being covered up will be revealed. When it happens you are history and will never be in a position of power again. You have failed and you have defended criminal actions. There is a place in hell for people who defend the thugs in the crime family.


  16. Keith says:

    Octavianus/Mr P’s link has George Bush and Tony Snow as equivalent to our founding fathers. Totally disgusting.


  17. WC says:

    I wish they would make these apologists for the Bussh Regime walk around Iraq without military protection. I think they would sing a different tune (if they lived to tell about it).

    Comment by Edgar — September 2, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    I wonder how “excited” they’d be if they got shot at on the ground?

    After his plane was forced to take evasive maneuvers to avoid rocket-propelled grenades while taking off from Baghdad, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) said “he watched through the window as the grenades exploded near the plane. He said he felt the blasts.” Asked if he was frightened, Inhofe responded, “Not a bit. I was kind of excited.”


  18. Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver says:

    Comment by veritas — September 2, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS
    ________________________

    That’s right. Veritas’ comments haven’t been “Deciderizicized” as all true comments must be. The Deciderizicizin’ process involves Bush sitting on your face in an airport restroom.


  19. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Octavianus/Mr P’s link has George Bush and Tony Snow as equivalent to our founding fathers. Totally disgusting.

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
    ———-

    What are you talking about?

    Those are two separate posts, check the categories, smart guy!


  20. Keith says:

    #16,

    Come to think of it, Reagan said the Contras (drug-running terrorists, murderers, rapists, and kidnappers who could never hold an inch of Nicaragua) were the moral equivalant of our founding fathers.


  21. gummitch says:

    Blitzer! When did he grow a pair, anyway? I think I need a drink, because the sight of one of our media goofballs actually challenging a Republican who is spreading the Administration’s manure is just too startling to comprehend.

    I love that he got Boustany to blurt out that bit about a platoon of Marines. Heh. The politicos were probably hunkered in the middle of that platoon as well, with lots of extra-special body armor on.

    What a tool.


  22. WC says:

    Boustany claims that two months ago it would not have been possible for the him to walk through fallujah, even with the platoon of marines, but how long ago was it that John McCain did the same thing? More then two months, if I’m not mistaken…

    Comment by Andrew M — September 2, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

    It was 5 months ago…

    Sen. John McCain strolled briefly through an open-air market in Baghdad today in an effort to prove that Americans are “not getting the full picture” of what’s going on in Iraq.
    .
    .
    .
    Posted by Faiz April 1, 2007 7:35 pm


  23. OCTAVIANVS says:

    To all trolls and apologists: In time all the lies that are being covered up will be revealed….

    Comment by kasinca — September 2, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
    ————————————-

    Is this a religious revelation?

    r u a prophet?


  24. Keith says:

    r u a prophet?

    Comment by OCTAVIANUS

    Aren’t YOU the one who believes in The Rapture?


  25. bilbogaggins says:

    “I love that he got Boustany to blurt out that bit about a platoon of Marines. Heh. The politicos were probably hunkered in the middle of that platoon as well, with lots of extra-special body armor on.
    What a tool.
    Comment by gummitch “

    You are right. The visiting “dignitaries” and their Blackwater guards all get Dragon Skin armor while our troops get the less effective and less expensive armor. Anyone want to bet who pays for the Dragon Skin armor the Blackwater mercenaries wear? Our government, that’s who. They can’t afford the best armor for our troops, but they can afford it for mercenaries making over $100,000 a year.


  26. OCTAVIANVS says:

    No, Keith.

    I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this…

    that’s not me, it’s “RALPH”


  27. bilbogaggins says:

    “Is this a religious revelation?
    r u a prophet?
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS”

    Nope, it’s the truth. Something you reptards know nothing about.


  28. Keith says:

    Bilbo, you mean WE pay for it.


  29. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTAVIANVS sez:

    Typical kook-fringe, far-left, moonbat remark.

    Typical neocon apologist drivel.


  30. bilbogaggins says:

    “Bilbo, you mean WE pay for it.
    Comment by Keith”

    This is true. But if WE were asked who we wanted the Dragon Skin armor to go to, WE should not give it to the Blackwater mercenaries, we would give it to our brave soldiers. So even though the money came out of our pockets, we did not choose to spend it that way.


  31. Keith says:

    Comment by OCTAVIANUS

    So, you only believe that it is Armageddon that Bush’s actions are taking us towards?


  32. Badger says:

    The Republicans will desperately cling to any anecdotal glimmers of hope….because if this surge fails….Bush’s Iraq policy is toast.
    …I wish Blitzer and his fellow tv journalists had asked the hard questions before we got into this quagmire.


  33. Bill in Chicago says:

    With idiots like this running the show, it’s no wonder we’re chasing around Iraq like the keystone cops.

    And of course, Iraq is the wrong country to begin with:

    http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

    Turns out the young fanatics who murdered 18 Americas in the Mosul mess tent bombing in 2004, and who blew up the Golden Mosque in Samara in 2006 (inciting the full-blown sectarian carnage we see today), came from the exact same country as the overwhelming majority of the 9/11 hijackers. And even that is just the tip of the iceberg. Yet these dullards can’t seem to put one and one together.


  34. HighPockets says:

    What did Malcolm X say about “progress?” “You can’t stab a man in the back, pull the knife half-way out and say it’s ‘progress.’” We’ll see what our GOP friends say about the Iraq “progress” as the 2008 elections near. And you thought it was tough being a Republican in 2006.


  35. fubar says:

    It makes me sick that our military has to walk around these morons so they can say the “surge” is working. Why should our kids be put at any more risk than they are already subjected to for photo ops for these retards who will never admit they f’d up when they voted for this debacle.


  36. bilbogaggins says:

    Send Wolf Blitzer an e-mail thanking him for finally doing the right thing by calling a Bush apologist on his lies.

    http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?65


  37. tarazan says:

    So after 5 years in war with Iraq,and over 600 billion dollars spent so far,congressman Boustany thinks it is a progress to walk in a city accompanied by platoon of marines and army to protect him.

    I like to see him walking alone,and see what will he be saying..I don’t think he will do it alone anyway.


  38. bilbogaggins says:

    “It makes me sick that our military has to walk around these morons so they can say the “surge” is working. Why should our kids be put at any more risk than they are already subjected to for photo ops for these retards who will never admit they f’d up when they voted for this debacle.”

    If you look closely, I bet you will see that the people immediately around these “dignitaries” are not US soldiers, but Blackwater mercenaries. They are also who guard the Generals like Betrayus.


  39. WC says:

    Bilbo, you mean WE pay for it.

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

    In more ways than one, dude…


  40. Keith says:

    Nobel-winning economist says war’s total cost will be over $2 Trillion. This was before the surge. He has since said it must be more.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,5369059-103550,00.html


  41. gummitch says:

    No, Keith.

    I don’t know how many times I have to tell you this…

    that’s not me, it’s “RALPH”

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 7:16 pm

    You can’t blame Keith if he can’t tell the difference between you and Ralph, especially when you egg Ralph on and post sycophantic rants on his blog. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas, Mr Pee.


  42. WC says:

    This is true. But if WE were asked who we wanted the Dragon Skin armor to go to, WE should not give it to the Blackwater mercenaries, we would give it to our brave soldiers. So even though the money came out of our pockets, we did not choose to spend it that way.

    Comment by bilbogaggins — September 2, 2007 @ 7:19 pm

    The “Dragon Skin” armor was ordered by parents and family members and shipped to their loved ones in Iraq because our government f*cked up on providing proper body armor

    Finding out about this, the government told them to stop, because in their testing it was less effective than what the government was…er, should have been…supplying.

    I found this on defense-update.com; there was no date for the info, but I think it is from earlier this year.

    Although being involved in the development of the Dragon Skin and the different technology it employs, the Army indicated that in its current state of development, its capabilities do not meet their requirements and therefore demanded the removal of all unauthorized body armor.

    While the US Army flatly rejected the new system, DragonSkin SOV body armor is currently in use with US Special Forces, Police Tactical Teams and is apporved by foreign militaries.


  43. AngryOne says:

    Discussing “accountability” for education results in New Orleans Tuesday, President Bush reiterated one of his favorite sound bites, “It’s what I call challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations.” Alas, not when it comes to the President himself and certainly not when the subject is the progress in Iraq.

    For the details on why the White House and its allies want the GAO to grade Bush’s Iraq surge on a curve, see:
    “White House: Bush Deserves ‘Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations’ on Iraq.”


  44. WC says:

    Oops…forgot the period at the end of the first paragraph in my prev. post.

    Sorry.


  45. Badger says:

    Unfortunately.. the cost of the Iraq war will be measured in more than dollars and ruined lives. According to a member of the Naval Postgraduate school The first generation of Al Qaeda came through thr Afghan Camps, the next generation built the Islamic Web sites, and the third generation have come through the crucible of Iraq. Eventually, their level of skill is going to be greater than the original generation. Jihadi University of Iraq.


  46. George says:

    I loved the part where the Congressman was going on about how wonderful it was that he could go to Fallujah with a platoon of Marines and Wolf brought out that he had been in Fallujah two years ago –presumably without a platoon of Marines behind him. That was the whole chickenhawk in a nutshell — Republicans feel so brave and wise when they dip their toes into Iraq for a half hour with at least 36 heavily armed men, blackhawks, and armored vehicles behind them. They think that gives them some street cred against the reporters who spend months there with an interpreter and a camaraman.


  47. A.Political says:

    Occasionally Wolfie calls people on things like this, why does he not do it more often? The fact that he just cut through the BS here proves that he is not a mindless drone of his corporate overlords, so does he just puch the envelope every once and awhile, then has to step-back in fear of getting reprimanded?


  48. WC says:

    Sounds like our government didn’t want anyone interfering with the profits they were making on the “Interceptor Body Armor” that they are supplying to the troops.

    Nah…greed couldn’t have anything to do with it.


  49. Keith says:

    Michael Ware has been on the ground in Iraq since March 2003. He has interviewed everyone in the Iraqi political spectrum. And he’s not afraid to speak the truth. He says there is no Iraqi government–just a poor patchwork of militia alliances and Maliki does not have the allegiance of a single militia.

    Too many in the government like Iranian support. I would look for an American-backed coup in the near future.


  50. BARTLEBEE says:

    Yea But Michael Ware won’t whitewash his reports like the administration wants so the repuggies refuse to listen to anything he has to say.



  51. BARTLEBEE says:

    If Michael Ware survives this thing, they’ll make a movie about his adventures in Iraq from the book he’s gonna write.


  52. jb says:

    GOP propagandists use our troops for photo-ops and care not if they are outfitted with proper armor or are exhausted from extended tours or that they will return to USA to depleted VA budgets and lack of jobs. As long as Iraq’s economy and oil is privatized to US corps, the GOPers could care less how many working class suckers who signed up for military suffer or die.


  53. lylepink says:

    This is only more misinformation that has been going on since we first invaded Iraq. I have been opposed to this war for oil/money from the start, and as each day passes it only goes to show how accurate I have been. I only hope and pray the Congress has the guts to finally support our troops by getting them out of there. The lives and limbs of our troops as well as the innocent Iraq folks surely is not worth the continueation of this senseless war against folks that were no threat to the US.


  54. Man in the Middle says:

    Although the “surge” is working in Ramadi, unfortunately there is more violence erupting in areas with a lesser US/Iraqi security presence.

    The problem has been, and continues to be that the Bush administration is conducting the Iraq campaign “on the cheap” without an adequate number of boots on the ground.

    Back when some generals were critical of the administration’s overly optimistic views of how many troops it would take to maintain order in a post-Saddam Iraq, the anti-war factions were so busy cheering they didn’t realize those generals were talking to them, too, in addition to people who supported going into Iraq. (As a side note, about 2/3 of the country was in favor of taking out Saddam, some more conditionally than others.)

    As Americans, we all own this war until the last of our troops are safely home. If one is a citizen of this country, there is no alternate reality where Bush is not your president and the Iraq War is not your war. Those who think otherwise have no business calling themselves patriots.


  55. OCTAVIANVS says:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Thanks, michael!


  56. BARTLEBEE says:

  57. michael says:

    “I only hope and pray the Congress has the guts to finally support our troops by getting them out of there.

    Comment by lylepink — September 2, 2007″

    So that Iran can control Iraq’s oil fields? Listen, even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!


  58. A.Political says:

    Nah…greed couldn’t have anything to do with it.
    =============

    Nope he supports the troops and we don’t, there is no greed involved.

    And when I say support I mean supports as in using them a props for support or as political pawns in a dastardly game of play out the clock…but as the clock ticks we look for a savior, and here he is…

    its LAME DUCK PREZNIT MAN…savior of big business, champion of MNCs, he stands tall as we walks on the middle class and poor, he knows whats up, with ears in everyones communications how could he not – fresh from defeating the pathetic villain Civil Liberties he is ready to crush his arch nemesis Bi-partisanship and it’s trusty sidekick ‘Whatever the f%@k is left of civilization’…

    once this victory is complete. As he looks around and sees feudal England surrounding him…serfs paupers and nobility…he realizes he has also created a time machine of sorts, realizing this he know his job is done!!!


  59. OCTAVIANVS says:

    As Americans, we all own this war until the last of our troops are safely home. If one is a citizen of this country, there is no alternate reality where Bush is not your president and the Iraq War is not your war. Those who think otherwise have no business calling themselves patriots.

    Comment by Man in the Middle — September 2, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
    ————————————–

    You’re right, but these folks will never understand that.


  60. michael says:

    “To all trolls and apologists: In time all the lies that are being covered up will be revealed….

    Comment by kasinca — September 2, 2007″

    What lies? And who’s going to reveal them?


  61. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Michael Ware…

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Who’s that?


  62. Frank J says:

    Not so fast my friend.

    More than 1,800 Iraqis killed in August

    BAGHDAD – A huge suicide attack in northern Iraq caused civilian deaths to rise slightly in August despite security gains elsewhere, making it the second deadliest month for Iraqis since the U.S. troop buildup began, figures compiled by The Associated Press showed Saturday.

    At least 1,809 civilians were killed, compared to 1,760 in July, based on figures compiled from official Iraqi reports.

    U.S. deaths last month remained well below figures from last winter, when the U.S began dispatching 30,000 additional troops to Iraq.

    The trend is the same, though the specific numbers differ. The AP often includes deaths of Iraqi security officials and refers to them as “civilians.” They also list 520 killed by that spectacular suicide bombing by al Qaeda, whereas Iraq Coalition Casualty Count puts the number at 400. Despite these differences, the overall story is much the same. However, one difference is that the AP report says that August was “…the second deadliest month for Iraqis since the U.S. troop buildup began.” That does not seem right to me, and it does not correspond to media reports tracked by Iraq Coalition Casualty Count. The reporter offers no data to back his assertion.


  63. gummitch says:

    So that Iran can control Iraq’s oil fields? Listen, even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Delusional, as always. The US doesn’t give a sh!t whether Iran controls the oil fields, or if it’s the flying monkeys from Oz, just so long as US corporations have unrestricted access to it. An Iranian-controlled stable government in Iraq would be okie-dokie with the US, as long as everything was stable. Of course, a maniac dictator would be preferable because he would be less likely to hold us hostage for ethical reasons, but whatever works.

    It’s hysterical to read the rantings of “conservatives” like michael? who actually believe that there is some sort of moral imperative at work in this administration (or any other, really).


  64. BARTLEBEE says:

    Who’s that?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Sucks to be ignorant, huh?


  65. OCTAVIANVS says:

    even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    ——–

    100% true.


  66. gummitch says:

    Comment by Frank J — September 2, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

    And, hell, they’re just Iraqis, right? Who gives a sh!t?


  67. BARTLEBEE says:

    What lies? And who’s going to reveal them?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    All the lies wormwood. The lies that the President told to take us to war. The lies that he told to spy on us. The lies that he is a human being.

    ALL the lies, little wormwood.


  68. gummitch says:

    #

    Michael Ware…

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Who’s that?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Weren’t you part of the howling morons criticizing Michael Ware as an Islamoapologist just a week or two ago? Is that too far in the past for you to remember?

    You’re a tool, Mr Pee.


  69. michael says:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    The above link will give you the count by day.


  70. BARTLEBEE says:

    100% true.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    If by 100 percent you mean Zero percent, then yes.

    But we’ll be happy to ship your dumb ass there for the next few decades.


  71. michael says:

    “The lies that the President told to take us to war. The lies that he told to spy on us. The lies that he is a human being.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Got any PROOF?


  72. BARTLEBEE says:

    Michael Ware is the guy who’s making you fools look like the nazi propaganda machines that you are.


  73. A.Political says:

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
    =============

    bwahahahaahahaha, pure comedy, best laugh I’ve had this weekend, thanks pylon, thank you :)


  74. BARTLEBEE says:

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    Sure inbred. Congress has copies of the intelligence reports given to Bush, and the one he passed on, SANS the information discrediting the aluminum tubes and the niger yellow cake incident.

    And when a dem takes the WH, we’re gonna shove it down your throat, you inbred goosestepping dick.


  75. A.Political says:

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
    =============

    you can find a lot of links to chase with proof as your ultimate reward
    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Iraq_war
    I mean its no conservapedia, but it does have footnotes and info backing up its assertions, unlike, hmmm I dunno, everything the wurlitzer pumps out?!?!?


  76. Frank J says:

    In terms of civilian casualties, July and August are higher than June, but lower than the first four months of the surge operation (which basically started in February of this year). In the graph below, you can also see the trends since the Golden Mosque bombing in February 2006, where al Qaeda successfully triggered an upswing in sectarian violence. They tried to start a civil war, and it’s still working in parts of Baghdad.


  77. BARTLEBEE says:

    Hey Frank.

    When are you gonna be a casualty?


  78. dbadass says:

    ALL the lies, little wormwood.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    Sounds like the pretend absinthe hustled in the states.


  79. Man in the Middle says:

    #60

    You’re right, but these folks will never understand that.

    How can this be? With the ThinkProgress label slapped all over everything here, one would presume that a] they think before opening their mouths or tapping away at their keyboards and b] they know how to respectfully agree to disagree and compromise, because there can be no progress otherwise.


  80. Xbot says:

    So who planted him with probably temporary balls again?

    How many sex scandals is Boustany involved with, that even Blitzer feels safe enough to speak up?


  81. michael says:

    “If by 100 percent you mean Zero percent, then yes.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Thanks for displaying your little liberal mind! Do you think for one moment that only the man sitting in the Oval Office is controlling this war? There are thousands of global corporations who have a vested interest in seeing that the flow of oil in the Middle East remains flowing. Do you actually think that a Hillary as president is going to changes this? If you do, you haven’t a clue about how the global markets work!


  82. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Delusional, as always.

    Yes, it seems that you are.

    The US doesn’t give a sh!t whether Iran controls the oil fields,

    We most certainly do.

    or if it’s the flying monkeys from Oz,

    This must be the delusions you were referring to.

    just so long as US corporations have unrestricted access to it. An Iranian-controlled stable government in Iraq would be okie-dokie with the US,

    Sorry, try again!

    as long as everything was stable.

    You do realize the ideology of the Muslims that control Iran, don’t you?

    Of course, a maniac dictator would be preferable because he would be less likely to hold us hostage for ethical reasons, but whatever works.

    Another one of your delusions… seek help.

    It’s hysterical to read the rantings of “conservatives” like michael? who actually believe that there is some sort of moral imperative at work in this administration (or any other, really).
    Comment by gummitch — September 2, 2007 @ 8:04 pm

    Well, that’s because there is. It is the imperative to save innocent people of all nations, who are facing the Islamic extremism, and to prevent further attacks on innocent Americans.


  83. A.Political says:

    Comment by Man in the Middle — September 2, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
    =========

    a man caught in the middle of what? Caught in a crisis, a crisis of his big manly man and his party not fulfilling his coat-tail riding dream of manliness and vicarious life living, wake up pylon, you have to find another fantasy to live. Bushco is abandoning you like they abandoned civilization a long long time ago.


  84. BARTLEBEE says:

    Our war in Iraq has created thousands and thousands of new, battle trained Al Quaida operatives, who after a short stint in Iraq for some really live fire drills, sneak across the border and assimilate into the population.

    The republicans are fools. Morons and babbling fools. Everyone sees what fools they are. Even the most neutral man on the planet, Wolf Blitzer, made a fool of that inbred administration bootlicker.

    No one other than this handful of mindless waterboys left in here is fooled by the forked tongue of the administration, and they won’t live down the trainwreck that was the Bush administration in our lifetimes.


  85. michael says:

    “Congress has copies of the intelligence reports given to Bush, and the one he passed on, SANS the information discrediting the aluminum tubes and the niger yellow cake incident.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Really? So when are they going to arrest him and put him on trial? Answer? Their not, because they don’t have anything!


  86. BARTLEBEE says:

    Do you think for one moment that only the man sitting in the Oval Office is controlling this war? There are thousands of global corporations who have a vested interest in seeing that the flow of oil in the Middle East remains flowing.

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:14 pm

    You pathetic worm. Stick your nose up Bush’s ass a little further, and smell the fudge. Then open wide, and goibble it up, you buttlicking lapdog.


  87. BARTLEBEE says:

    Really? So when are they going to arrest him and put him on trial? Answer? Their not, because they don’t have anything!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:17 pm

    Go back and read the rest of the comment you simpleminded puss.


  88. A.Political says:

    Really? So when are they going to arrest him and put him on trial? Answer? Their not, because they don’t have anything!
    =====

    neither did Starr, yes I get to bring a Clinton reference in like you guys always do, but the major difference is the respect for the country, whats best for America is a democratic principle, not whats best for the immediate self-gratification of bathroom cruising, pork gobbling theoctratic pompous republicans.


  89. michael says:

    “we’re gonna shove it down your throat, you inbred goosestepping dick.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Such big words for such a little mind!


  90. michael says:

    “Stick your nose up Bush’s ass a little further, and smell the fudge. Then open wide, and goibble it up, you buttlicking lapdog.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    On display for all to see! A typical liberal mind!


  91. A.Political says:

    Such big words for such a little mind!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
    =========

    you feel big now don’t you, why don’t you throw in a ‘bring em’on’ reference now? you big manly keyboard warrior you!!


  92. BARTLEBEE says:

    Such big words for such a little mind!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:21 pm

    Too big for you to read the first time anyway, huh?

    But we both knew you read em. We both knew you knew them. You just are a born liar.

    A skill that you learned from your mom.


  93. A.Political says:

    A skill that you learned from your mom.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
    ======

    oh oh, its a ‘yo mama’ war!


  94. michael says:

    “but the major difference is the respect for the country, whats best for America

    Comment by A.Political — September 2, 2007″

    And Bush is doing just that. He’s fighting terrorists over there so we don’t have to do it here! Thank you President Bush!


  95. Frank J says:

    The libs are getting pretty desperate now. If the U.S. wins they are doomed in 08′. For the libs the United States must lose.


  96. A.Political says:

    And Bush is doing just that. He’s fighting terrorists over there so we don’t have to do it here! Thank you President Bush!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
    =====

    Are you being serious or facetious? Please be joking, please?


  97. A.Political says:

    He’s fighting terrorists over there so we don’t have to do it here!
    =======

    Still cracks me up that whole J Stweart skit on building a dam in Arizona so we can fight the water over there rather than in Louisiana.


  98. michael says:

    “Please be joking, please?

    Comment by A.Political — September 2, 2007″

    No I’m not! You should get on your hands and knees every night and thank him!


  99. A.Political says:

    You should get on your hands and knees every night and thank him!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
    ========

    thats you and the 28% rendition of a “Bush’s Lewinsky”


  100. michael says:

    “For the libs the United States must lose.

    Comment by Frank J — September 2, 2007″

    You are absolutely right! And don’t think that these liberal dopes here at TP aren’t part of that traitorous group!


  101. OCTAVIANVS says:

    You pathetic worm. Stick your nose up Bush’s ass a little further, and smell the fudge. Then open wide, and goibble it up, you buttlicking lapdog.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
    ——————————

    Bartlebee,

    I’m glad you are Liberal!


  102. kasinca says:

    What lies? And who’s going to reveal them?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Cover ups are always covering lies and crimes, sh$t for brains. What is all the stonewalling about? The truth always airs out, Spanky…didn’t learn anything in that trailer park home school of yours?


  103. j swift says:

    “I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah,”

    or fly into Baghdad without having RPGs shot at their plane…oh wait.


  104. OCTAVIANVS says:

    “For the libs the United States must lose.

    Comment by Frank J — September 2, 2007″

    You are absolutely right! And don’t think that these liberal dopes here at TP aren’t part of that traitorous group!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
    ———————————-

    TPers are some of the most traitorous. Normal everyday liberals, like Joe Lieberman, and even further left Dems, like Clinton, would be ashamed of all the kook fringe traitors here at TP.


  105. Not Canadian says:

    NO MORE CHICKENHAWK LEADERS.

    Either put up, or shut the HELL up!


  106. Keith says:

    Man In the Middle,

    First, the only thing you find in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and roadkill. Secondly, yes, the majority of Americans and some Democrats in Congress supported the invasion———because they got countless lives for the previous ten months:

    Saddam is an imminent threat, ready to launch in 15 minutes, he has stockpiles of nuclear, bio, and chemical WMDs, the drones, the mobile weapons labs, trying to acquire yellowcake from Africa, the aluminum tubes, he is working with al Qaeda, the meeting in Prague, the shack in the North, 9/11, 9/11, etc., etc.


  107. kasinca says:

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    28% is a minority, shit for brains. If TPers are traitors, you are a knuckle dragging, bottom feeding, troglodyte. Go read a book, moron.


  108. A.Political says:

    “Normal everyday liberals, like Joe Lieberman”
    =========

    Rabble rousers, pure and simple!! Quick get down on your hands and knees and thank Bush Octogenarian


  109. Keith says:

    No major US city lost for over two years, thank you O’ great President Bush.


  110. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Ha!

    Nice try, Keith.

    Nice try.


  111. BARTLEBEE says:

    I tried to tell you what I really felt, but the TP censor nuked it.


  112. kasinca says:

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

    And a failed policy for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies has had what to do with your comment, Spanky? How many years between Trade Center I and Trade Center II? It wasn’t overnight and there is no reason to attack when our government is taking away your liberties and rights and destroying our constitution. Dubya and Cheney are doing the work for them. Go read a book, you may learn something. FAUXNOIZ has you dumb as dirt.


  113. Keith says:

    Kasinca,

    You do realize that #111 was highly sarcastic, don’t you? I didn’t think it could be taken any other way.


  114. lylepink says:

    I just found this blog today and find the usual intellegent remarks with a tad of the usual stupid ones. By and large this is a good one without the rambling of a bunch of idiots.


  115. kasinca says:

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

    Sorry, Keith. I am just driving by, troll shooting for a while today. I don’t have time to waste on these bottom feeders but can’t let them go. Sorry for the friendly fire.


  116. ipod says:

    just a matter of time – one of these congressmen or women will be strolling around marvelling at the progress being made and then get their heads blown off…..meanwhile the taliban are also making progress in afghanistan


  117. Tom3 says:

    Repukes are the real traitors.

    Brewster-Jennings.


  118. OCTAVIANVS says:

    I just found this blog today and find the usual intellegent remarks with a tad of the usual stupid ones. By and large this is a good one without the rambling of a bunch of idiots.

    Comment by lylepink — September 2, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
    —————————————–

    Thanks!


  119. Enja says:

    I emailed CNN and asked them to quit echoing the White House lies. Now I don’t think my email alone did it, but if we all email and even to the F-Network as Cafferty calls it, it could make a difference. So email them and tell them you’re sick of their lies.


  120. Royston Grace says:

    Anti-Iraq war = Traitor Liberal? NOT… I am a lifelong Republican from a family of conservative Republicans & I am dead set against this phoney war on terror and the Iraq war, thank you, as are many of my family and friends.


  121. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!


  122. barfly says:

    “Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!”

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Then enlist, you cowardly punk.


  123. Badger says:

    Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    NO… you’re a flaming Crusader. And Bin Laden’s mirror image.


  124. Ed Rollings says:

    Then enlist, you cowardly punk.

    Comment by barfly

    When and where did you serve?


  125. Ed Rollings says:

    Then enlist, you cowardly punk..

    Comment by barfly

    When and where did you serve?


  126. lylepink says:

    OCTAVAINVS: Thanks for your Thanks. I am all over the political spectrum, and moderate would describe me best. I’ll check out some of the earlier stories and be back shoortly.


  127. Ed Rollings says:

    I am all over the political spectrum, and moderate would describe me best.

    Comment by lylepink

    Our presidential candidate is going to be a moderate, Rudy Giulani. Welcome to the fold.


  128. Ed Rollings says:

    The libs looked pretty bad in this thread. What happened?


  129. Ed Rollings says:

    “Blitzer Dismantles Rep. Boustany’s Assertions Of Progress In Iraq”

    lol, yeah right.

    Boustany quickly rebutted Blitzer’s comment and Blitzer acquiesced.


  130. Bush_is_a_Moron says:

    Could it be???!! Wolfie’s finally found his balls??!! It’s about time!


  131. kasinca says:

    Not all Republicans are morons, just those booklicking, bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, 28%ers who still make excuses for the failed thugs in the crime family are morons…dumb as common road gravel.


  132. Ed Rollings says:

    Could it be???!! Wolfie’s finally found his balls??!! It’s about time!

    Comment by Bush_is_a_Moron

    Blizer asked him about the Iraqi report. After Boustany rebutted it, Blizter quickly acquiesced and agreed with Boustany.


  133. A.Political says:

    NO… you’re a flaming Crusader. And Bin Laden’s mirror image.

    Comment by Badger — September 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
    ========

    Nope, he is just flaming….period ;)


  134. Red Schmeckel says:

    The Titanic never sunk. Pure Lib propaganda.


  135. KingCranky says:

    “The lies that the President told to take us to war. The lies that he told to spy on us. The lies that he is a human being.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007″

    Got any PROOF?

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    Well, if you really believed W’s strategy is paying off, you’d actually be over there backing up his easily-debunked rhetoric about the escalation

    The fact that you and the other willfully ignorant W rabble aren’t actually walking your talk shows even you all aren’t so stupid as to really believe this escalation is actually working, no matter how much you or the other W lackeys blather, bleat or screech otherwise

    The fact you’re not putting your life in W’s hands by getting over to Iraq, ASAP, just shows how little real-world faith you place in W’s competence at being “A War President”

    Hey, I don’t blame you for not trusting President Rat Bastard enough to sign up for active military service, but far too many of the W-addled Chickenhawks cast aspersions towards those against the same military conflicts the Chickenhawks squawk their enthusiastic, non-physical support for, true hypocrisy and personal cowardice of a stunning caliber

    With this Administration, success in Iraq is a logical impossibility, failure the obvious outcome from before the idiotic invasion & occupation, and by overthrowing Saddam Hussein instead of achieving any kind of justice for those victimized on Sept 11, W meekly surrendered to Usama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and the Taliban, all resurgent now instead of properly crushed, all holed up in Pakistan, a country highly sympathetic to UbL, al-Qaeda & the Taliban and a country with an actual nuclear arsenal, along with a missile it just tested capable of carrying a nuclear payload

    But hey, focus on a non-nuclear Iran instead of a nuclear-armed Pakistan, makes about as much sense as going after bin Laden by invading & occupying Iraq at the rate of over $2 Billion a week


  136. Mike C says:

    “NO… you’re a flaming Crusader. And Bin Laden’s mirror image.”

    Right on, Badger
    ——————————

    “Sorry, Keith. I am just driving by, troll shooting for a while today. I don’t have time to waste on these bottom feeders but can’t let them go. Sorry for the friendly fire.

    Comment by kasinca”

    Cool apology, kasinca…nicely handled :)


  137. Vincennes says:

    Republicans like facts as much as they like homosexuals.


  138. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    there is no alternate reality where Bush is not your president and the Iraq War is not your war. Those who think otherwise have no business calling themselves patriots.

    Comment by Man in the Middle — September 2, 2007 @ 7:55 pm

    screw that. you broke it, you bought it. i don’t own this “war”, and i have no fealty to this deserter-in-Chief.


  139. A.Political says:

    Cool apology, kasinca…nicely handled :)

    Comment by Mike C — September 2, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
    =============

    Flame On!


  140. mystery guest says:

    Another thing to remember, just like on the 60 Minutes report (repeat) tonight, is that our troops are probably killing many citizens when invading homes (thank you George Bush for blessing the Iraqi home) and then just blaming it on sectarian violence or the #1 boogyman, Al Quida.
    Just a hunch.


  141. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by mystery guest — September 2, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

    Why does the left hate the U.S. Troops?


  142. Zep Tepi says:

    Yeah, and I’m a flaming liberal but I want to see all the Muslims dead!
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    Mr P? Still up to your same old tricks?

    Well I say good for Wolfie, about time he got some Heuvos.


  143. OCTAVIANVS says:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Thanks, michael!


  144. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    Such big words for such a little mind!

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 8:21 pm

    well, they were aimed at you, so you are right, for the first time ever!


  145. Keith says:

    The left is not responsible for the killing and maiming of our troops and the destruction of our military, nor the tremendous gift to fundamentalist Islamists, nor the bankrupting of the US.


  146. Keith says:

    Mr P claiming to be a liberal. What a compulsive liar!


  147. Zep Tepi says:

    Why does the left hate the U.S. Troops?
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I don’t, we just don’t think they, as the CIC George Bush said, should be used for nation building.

    Why do you hate the troops and use them for nation buidling Mr P?


  148. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Another thing to remember, just like on the 60 Minutes report (repeat) tonight, is that our troops are probably killing many citizens when invading homes (thank you George Bush for blessing the Iraqi home) and then just blaming it on sectarian violence or the #1 boogyman, Al Quida.
    Just a hunch.

    Comment by mystery guest — September 2, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

    ———-

    F- You, Liberal!!!

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm


  149. Octavius - says:

    In peace sons bury fathers,
    War violates the order of nature and fathers bury sons.
    Herodotus, Histories


  150. Zep Tepi says:

    Thanks, michael! Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Oddly, michael posts about religion and peace, when the (R)ight wing religious folks see this as the beginning of the end, Armageddon.


  151. Zep Tepi says:

    F- You, Liberal!!! Octavius aka Mr P.

    Planning to screw yourself Mr P?


  152. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:12 pm

    Um.. Don’t you mean:

    No one is fool enough to choose war instead of peace – in peace sons bury fathers, but in war fathers bury sons. It must have been heaven’s will that this should happen.

    Herodotus, Histories (Book I, 87)


  153. Octavius - says:

    In peace sons bury fathers,
    War violates the order of nature and fathers bury sons.
    Herodotus, Histories

    Comment by Octavius –

    What say you, O Mighty Windbag?


  154. Frank J says:

    Only the dead have seen the end of war–Plato


  155. OCTAVIANVS says:

    What say you, O Mighty Windbag?

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
    ——————

    I smell a wet dog!

    A hound, if you will.


  156. Keith says:

    The majority of Iraqi civilians are killed by bombs from planes, jet fire, and helicopter gunships. Only the US does this.

    That is, unless you count our destruction of their clean water and hospitals.

    One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five. Second-worst failed state in the world.


  157. Octavius - says:

    Wars and revolutions and battles are due simply and solely to the body and its desires. All wars are undertake for the acquisition of wealth; and the reason why we have to acquire wealth is the body, because we are slaves in its service.

    _Guess-Who_


  158. Zep Tepi says:

    It must have been heaven’s will that this should happen. Herodotus

    Only the good die young, meanwhile Mr P is making sure he is evil and hellbound.


  159. OCTAVIANVS says:

    “The desire to acquire is truly a very natural and normal thing; and when men who are able do so, they will always be praised and not condemned; but when they cannot and wish to do so at any cost, herein lies the error and the blame.”

    _Guess-Who_


  160. Octavius - says:

    Peace with Justice and honor is the fairest and most profitable of possessions, but with disgrace and cowardice it is the most infamous and harmful of all.

    –Who Said That– Mighty idiot


  161. Octavius - says:

    Never answered the question, did you?

    Who was it, Oh Mighty Scholar?


  162. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    A nation led by a coward becomes a coward nation, and this occupation and mass murder are signs of deep cowardice and immorality. Even more disgusting is the fact that innocents are being murdered in their beds by American troops that hve no business in service. Societal rejects, gang-bangers and felons have been allowed to lower the standards of our military because the cowards that shout loudest about the war are refusing to defend their principles and their president’s decision to illegally wage war against innocents. rightwingers have wounded this country very deeply, it may not recover.


  163. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Who was it, Oh Mighty Scholar?

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
    ————————————————————————-

    Who cares? You can take quotes out of context and turn Plato and Aristotle into fascists! What’s your point, NHer?


  164. Octavius - says:

    Never answered the QUESTION.

    If you are such an expert, you’d know who said it.

    And, in doing so, perhaps you might understand, just a little bit more.


  165. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Besides, philosophers usually deal with ideal concepts. Plato was a Utopian, as can be seen from the name of his city in the Republic, Calliopolis, meaning “The Best City.”


  166. Keith says:

    #154 sounds like Socrates.

    And Mr P, if you could understand what he says, then you would not have to always ask “What’s the point”?


  167. OCTAVIANVS says:

    And, in doing so, perhaps you might understand, just a little bit more.
    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
    ——-

    I understand that you Proglibs live in CloudCuckooLand, and the rest of the world still uses war as a political instrument.


  168. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTIVIANVS sez:

    Who was it, Oh Mighty Scholar?

    – Polybius

    Next.


  169. OCTAVIANVS says:

    #154 sounds like Socrates.

    And Mr P, if you could understand what he says, then you would not have to always ask “What’s the point”?

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
    ————————-

    Socrates never wrote anything down, Keith. If you think that you know what “Socrates” said, you don’t understand Plato.


  170. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    Who cares? You can take quotes out of context and turn Plato and Aristotle into fascists! What’s your point, NHer?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:28 pm

    the point is that he just punked you at your own game, you ignorant guttersnipe. the point, made well and strongly, is that you are an ignorant little coward at some backwater community college trying to show off for the adults, like your sockpuppet michael with his socratic nonsense. as far as fascists go, check your mirror, then your administration. you’ll find several.


  171. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Next.

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 2, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
    ———-

    Yeah, I Googled it too.


  172. OCTAVIANVS says:

    the point is that he just punked you at your own game -ronjazz

    Not so, I don’t come here with a list of quotes. That ain’t my game.

    That’s a Proglib spambot game.

    Ask (a)(c)(e)


  173. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    I understand that you Proglibs live in CloudCuckooLand, and the rest of the world still uses war as a political instrument.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:32 pm

    In the 21st century, only the US is guilty of the barbaric and savage practice of using war as a political instrument. it shows how far we’ve fallen under the moron-in-chief and his collection of psychopaths. Proglibs live in the human, modern world, where arguments don’t have to be settled by dick-waving and Shock & Awe, certainly the most embarrassing, puerile, closet-case phrase ever dreamed up, bu a coterie of chickenhawks and pasty-faced fat losers.


  174. Keith says:

    I know there are no direct writings of Socrates. But there are obviously teachings attributed to him. Who would #154 be attributed to, then?


  175. OCTAVIANVS says:

    I know there are no direct writings of Socrates. But there are obviously teachings attributed to him. Who would #154 be attributed to, then?
    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
    —————-

    Probably Xenophon or Plato, it’s taken out of context so you’ll have to google it.


  176. Octavius - says:

    Idiot Mr.P couldn’t get the very first quote.

    You were right, Keith, it was Socrates.

    Of course it’s quoted in Plato’s Phaedo,
    but Mr. P couldn’t get it.

    He’s a loser on SO many levels.
    Thanks, Keith, and TMM, for showing Mr. P for the fraud that he is.


  177. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    hat’s a Proglib spambot game.

    Ask (a)(c)(e)

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:36 pm

    sorry, octavi-anus, you’re done, ruined, f*cked. you’ve been caught out, and you really should leave, unless you revel in further embarrassment and need more attention of the sort that you just got by being intellectually pantsed in front of the class. you’re just a joke now, and a lame one at that. beat it.


  178. OCTAVIANVS says:

    In the 21st century, only the US is guilty of the barbaric and savage practice of using war as a political instrument.

    Comment by ronjazz, troll crusher — September 2, 2007 @ 10:37 pm

    So, what’s it like up there in CloudCuckooLand, my oblivious anti-American Proglib?


  179. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTIVIAVNVS sez:

    Yeah, I Googled it too.

    Well, now, isn’t that convenient? You ask a question, and if no one can answer, you crow about it, but if someone does answer, you can always cry ‘Google’ and invalidate said answer.

    Either way, you “win”. Enjoy your “victory”, loser.


  180. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by ronjazz, troll crusher — September 2, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

    Nah. I think I’ll do what I want to do.


  181. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    So, what’s it like up there in CloudCuckooLand, my oblivious anti-American Proglib?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:41 pm

    good comeback. I guess you’re enjoying your lambasting by the adults here. figures, you never did get any positive attention from your mother or all your uncles.


  182. Octavius - says:

    TMM,

    You miss the point that he had to Google the quote.

    Some “expert.”


  183. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Either way, you “win”. Enjoy your “victory”, loser.

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 2, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
    —————————————————-

    Lefty,

    Please try to keep up.
    There is a spambot leftist, going by the name of “Octavius,” who is post random quotes and demanding to know where they are from.

    I am OCTAVIANVS, the one who knows the true meaning of the philosophers who are being quoted out of context.


  184. Keith says:

    So if I am opposed to the senseless, counter-productive butchering of one million people, costing over $2 trillion—-then I am living in cloud-cuckooland?


  185. ronjazz, troll crusher says:

    Nah. I think I’ll do what I want to do.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    of course you will, that’s why you have to make up friends, since nobody can stand you. you don’t know when to leave, you don’t know anything about the world, and you don’t know when you’re making an utter ass of yourself. but you’ll do what you want, anyway, because you really don’t want to be all alone in that basement, with nobody to interact with.


  186. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by ronjazz, troll crusher — September 2, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

    I enjoy calling you traitors out and I will continue to do so.


  187. ronjazz says:

    So if I am opposed to the senseless, counter-productive butchering of one million people, costing over $2 trillion—-then I am living in cloud-cuckooland?

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

    you and 225 million other fringe kook moonbats.


  188. OCTAVIANVS says:

    You miss the point that he had to Google the quote.

    Some “expert.”

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
    —————-

    Polybius was not a philosopher. He was an historian.


  189. Keith says:

    You know the true meaning of all philosophers??????????? WOW!

    You are the only person on the planet who would make such a claim.


  190. OCTAVIANVS says:

    So if I am opposed to the senseless, counter-productive butchering of one million people, costing over $2 trillion—-then I am living in cloud-cuckooland?

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
    ———————–

    No. But then you would supportive of the War against Islamic extremism.


  191. Octavius - says:

    I am OCTAVIANVS, the one who knows the true meaning of the philosophers who are being quoted out of context.

    So you’re claiming to be some kind of Demi-God?

    BWAHHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!!!!!

    You really need a good psychiatrist.


  192. Keith says:

    ronjazz,

    Guess I’m part of that looney 71%.


  193. Zep Tepi says:

    Besides, philosophers usually deal with ideal concepts. Plato was a Utopian, as can be seen from the name of his city in the Republic, Calliopolis, meaning “The Best City.”
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Huh?
    An argument that has been used against ascribing ironic intent to Plato is that Plato’s Academy produced a number of tyrants, men who seized political power and abandoned philosophy for ruling a city. Despite being well-versed in Greek and having direct contact with Plato himself, some of Plato’s former students like Klearchos, tyrant of Heraklia, Chairon, tyrant of Pellene, Eurostatos and Choriskos, tyrants of Skepsis, Hermias of Atarneus and Assos, and Kallipos, tyrant of Syracuse ruled people and did not impose anything like a philosopher-kingship. -wikipedia


  194. OCTAVIANVS says:

    You know the true meaning of all philosophers??????????? WOW!

    You are the only person on the planet who would make such a claim.

    Comment by Keith — September 2, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
    ———-

    You’re probably right. But I did not make that claim.

    Try to keep up, lefties.


  195. ronjazz says:

    I enjoy calling you traitors out and I will continue to do so.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

    whatever gets you attention, right? even if you’re the traitor, and are projecting like crazy, and even if you are proven wrong by facts day after day, you’ll still insist that over 70% of the American people are traitors. Like i said, you don’t deserve your citizenship, and you sure won’t go and earn it, chickenhawk.


  196. land of the free says:

    “I want to point out that just two or three months ago, I would have never thought that four members of Congress would be able to walk through the streets of Fallujah,”

    Did he take a walk in Basra last week, too?

    Probably not, since the British troops are leaving.

    The shell game that the US is playing is not working. The Pentagon can try to put on a dog and pony show, pretend that everything is improving in a small portion of a city because there are more troops there today – but meanwhile, there are less troops elsewhere. The fact is, our “allies” are leaving because they know this occupation is a quagmire. The only reason our CIC won’t end this illegal occupation is because he wants to save face, not to save lives.


  197. lylepink says:

    The Sunday talk/news shows are remarkable in that each and every one of them have almost the same format. By reading a transcript without names it would be hard to identify the network with Fox being the exception. The news without bias, [actual reporting], is a thing of the past. I have quit using MSM and only refer to print and electronic news as “media”. The Iraq situation has been the number one recruiting tool for the likes of Osama bin Laden, and other terror groups.


  198. OCTAVIANVS says:

    people and did not impose anything like a philosopher-kingship. -wikipedia

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
    ——-

    Exactly, the philosopher-kings of the Republic are based on how an ideal polis would be structured.

    Try to keep up, please.


  199. Octavius - says:

    Zeus detests above all the boasts of a proud tongue.

    -How about that, Inflated Ego Boy?


  200. ronjazz says:

    Exactly, the philosopher-kings of the Republic are based on how an ideal polis would be structured.

    Try to keep up, please.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:51 pm

    pull your head out of your ass, you’re sounding like a ten-year-old who never learned to read. please, do some of your homework.


  201. OCTAVIANVS says:

    BWAHHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!!!!!

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
    ——————–

    So, which News Hounder are you?

    Let me guess. You’re ET.


  202. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:52 pm

    Plato, Laws.


  203. Octavius - says:

    So, which News Hounder are you?

    Let me guess. You’re ET.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS —

    Sorry. He phoned home.


  204. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Damn, it was Antigone!


  205. Octavius - says:

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:52 pm

    Plato, Laws.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    WRONG-O!


  206. ronjazz says:

    Plato, Laws.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:54 pm

    and you have just provided the proof that you don’t understand a word of what you read. republican, I can assume. which Comm Coll finally lowered its standards enough to let you in?


  207. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Sorry. He phoned home.

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
    ———

    Then you’re a moron who thinks that Sophokles was a philosopher.

    In other words:

    You’re trueblue!


  208. Octavius - says:

    You are SO F**king fake.

    Give it up.


  209. OCTAVIANVS says:

    and you have just provided the proof that you don’t understand a word of what you read. republican, I can assume. which Comm Coll finally lowered its standards enough to let you in?

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 10:56 pm

    How does not knowing a random quote display a lack of comprehension?

    Unlike you lefties, I read a work for the philosophical message contained therein, not so I can quote random passages at a wine and cheese party!


  210. Octavius - says:

    You don’t see yourself in ANY of these quotes?

    I chose them specifically for you. Your character flaws.

    Do you even OWN a mirror? You need to take these quotes and take a long look at yourself.


  211. Zep Tepi says:

    Exactly, the philosopher-kings of the Republic are based on how an ideal polis would be structured.

    But what does Platos students prove? That power corrupts, and is exactly why we shouldn’t have a unitary executive in a Democracy.

    Try to keep up.


  212. OCTAVIANVS says:

    “Give it up.”

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
    ————

    The slogan of the left!

    Nice try.


  213. Keith says:

    You cannot get invited to a wine and cheese party.


  214. Zep Tepi says:

    Unlike you lefties, I read a work for the philosophical message contained therein, not so I can quote random passages at a wine and cheese party!
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Assuming facts not in evidence, projection!!

    When are you ever gonna stop being a mini-coulter?


  215. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Try to keep up.

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
    —————-

    Plato’s true successor was Aristotle and he was certainly not corrupt. The Academy did give opportunists the chance to find ways to develop political strategies, but the real philosophers did not seek power.

    The Founders actually used their knowledge of Plato and Aristotle, among others, when formulating our system of govt. As I’m sure you already knew.


  216. Octavius - says:

    Never hope to conceal any shameful thing which you have done; for even if you do conceal it from others, your own heart will know.


  217. ronjazz says:

    I read a work for the philosophical message contained therein, not so I can quote random passages at a wine and cheese party!

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 10:59 pm

    I wasn’t refering to the random quote, but the fact that you have demonstrated no understanding of the message therein. so, you are a total failure, on all levels. no surprise, given your inability to reason. typical knee-jerk rightard, deep as a puddle, and just as dirty.


  218. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Assuming facts not in evidence, projection!!

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:01 pm

    Not so:

    Exhibit A:

    Peace with Justice and honor is the fairest and most profitable of possessions, but with disgrace and cowardice it is the most infamous and harmful of all.

    –Who Said That– Mighty idiot

    Comment by Octavius/trueblue – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

    Exhibit B:

    Zeus detests above all the boasts of a proud tongue.

    -How about that, Inflated Ego Boy?

    Comment by Octavius/trueblue – — September 2, 2007 @ 10:52 pm

    Trueblue should come back when she comprehends the meanings of these words.


  219. AngryOne says:

    Today’s New York Times offered a dismaying portrait of President Bush obsessed with his legacy – and potential financial windfall – after leaving office. But even more disturbing was the discussion of the Iraq war and the administration’s calamitous 2003 move to disband the Iraqi army. When it came to perhaps the pivotal decision of the war, America’s first MBA President simply acted like an absentee landlord.

    For the details, see:
    “NYT: Bush Slept as Iraqi Army was Disbanded.”


  220. ronjazz says:

    Trueblue should come back when she comprehends the meanings of these words.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:06 pm

    why? they describe your shortcomings perectly.


  221. ronjazz says:

    For the details, see:
    “NYT: Bush Slept as Iraqi Army was Disbanded.”

    Comment by AngryOne — September 2, 2007 @ 11:07 pm

    I’ll have to file this under “No Shit”.


  222. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 11:06 pm

    Sorry, ronjazz. But real philosophical concepts can’t be condensed into a two line snippit.

    The only philosophical conversation I am engaged in right now is with Zep Tepi, most likely because he has actually read the works in question.


  223. Octavius - says:

    Sorry, Mighty Windbag. I’m NOT trueblue.
    I am tired of your SH*T, though, and decided to call you out. Are you man enough?


  224. ronjazz says:

    The best Legacy Bush can ever achieve is to buy a Subaru. That Legacy has far more integrity and worth than he ever had, or will have.


  225. OCTAVIANVS says:

    For the details, see:
    “NYT: Bush Slept as Iraqi Army was Disbanded.”

    Comment by AngryOne — September 2, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
    ————-

    Leftist propaganda.


  226. Zep Tepi says:

    The Founders actually used their knowledge of Plato and Aristotle, among others, when formulating our system of govt. As I’m sure you already knew. comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Yes, but this makes your persuit of a unitary executive all the more ironic.is what
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I was talking about your coulter-esque projections of lefty wine and cheese parties. The other stuff is just quotes that can have many different meanings to many different people. T


  227. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Are you man enough?

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 11:10 pm

    Sure. What you are doing is appealing to authority. It shows that you are incapable of independent thought. So what do have in mind?


  228. ronjazz says:

    Sorry, ronjazz. But real philosophical concepts can’t be condensed into a two line snippit.

    The only philosophical conversation I am engaged in right now is with Zep Tepi, most likely because he has actually read the works in question.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:09 pm

    Wrong again. Real philosophical concepts can very nicely be condensed into one or two lines, if you really understand them. And your “conversation” is not private, and I will do what I like. Remember, chickenhawk? Your words are constantly coming back to bite your ass. It must be uncomfortable. But, we already know about your thirst for attention of any sort.


  229. Zep Tepi says:

    Leftist propaganda. Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Oh forget that propaganda crap already.

    Many people left and right think it was a mistake to disband them.


  230. ronjazz says:

    Sure. What you are doing is appealing to authority. It shows that you are incapable of independent thought. So what do have in mind?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:14 pm

    He was doing no such thing. You are growing ever more stupid. it shows you are incapable of any reason.


  231. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

    Oh, I don’t read much Coulter, so I didn’t get it.

    Also, I’m not in a pursuit for a unitary executive, I’m fine with the way things are.


  232. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Wrong again. Real philosophical concepts can very nicely be condensed into one or two lines, if you really understand them. And your “conversation” is not private, and I will do what I like. Remember, chickenhawk? Your words are constantly coming back to bite your ass. It must be uncomfortable. But, we already know about your thirst for attention of any sort.

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
    —————

    ronjazz, I’m worried about you, bro…

    What the hell are you talking about?


  233. ronjazz says:

    all truth is leftist propaganda to this traitor. right, p? truth is your side’s biggest enemy, bigger than islamofascists or Godzilla, even.

    You’re a simpleton with a couple of books. You’d get more use out of them if you propped open a window with them.



  234. Octavius - says:

    You are right, ronjazz. This troll is losing its grip on reality as we speak.


  235. gummitch says:

    Sure. What you are doing is appealing to authority. It shows that you are incapable of independent thought. So what do have in mind?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:14 pm

    Oh my god! The irony express has rolled in. Mr Pee, who has never posted an original thought in all his months of trolling, accuses someone else of being incapable of it?

    What a riot.


  236. Zep Tepi says:

    Oh, I don’t read much Coulter, so I didn’t get it. -Mr P
    Baseless attacks.

    Also, I’m not in a pursuit for a unitary executive, I’m fine with the way things are. -Mr P

    I seem to recall you saying George should be King for life, maybe that was anotherm perhaps CT V1.


  237. OCTAVIANVS says:

    He was doing no such thing. You are growing ever more stupid. it shows you are incapable of any reason.

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
    —————–

    Um… I think that was a she.


  238. OCTAVIANVS says:

    I seem to recall you saying George should be King for life, maybe that was anotherm perhaps CT V1.

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
    ———–

    Maybe. I’m the one who says that the idiot masses shouldn’t have a vote.


  239. ronjazz says:

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:17 pm

    Your mental illness, as anyone but you can plainly see. Your cowardice, your treasonous support of Al Qaeda supporters Bush and Cheney. Your hatred of American troops, and American ideals. Your ignorance of American history. Your misinterpretations of ancient philosophy, your lack of reasonable thought processes. Your inability to come into modernity, in which you resemble Muslim fanatics and extremists. That’s what i’m talking about. How could you miss it? Do try to keep up.


  240. Octavius - says:

    Wrong again.

    BTW: Mine is bigger than yours.


  241. ronjazz says:

    Maybe. I’m the one who says that the idiot masses shouldn’t have a vote.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:20 pm

    But that would mean you would lose your right to vote! How noble!


  242. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Wrong again.

    BTW: Mine is bigger than yours.

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 11:22 pm

    Okay.


  243. OCTAVIANVS says:

    But that would mean you would lose your right to vote! How noble!

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 11:24 pm

    I don’t vote.


  244. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Voting is for plebs.


  245. Zep Tepi says:

    Maybe. I’m the one who says that the idiot masses shouldn’t have a vote.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I see, so I wasn’t far off the mark. In effect, that would be a King-Monarch -Tyrant.


  246. Octavius - says:

    Doesn’t vote and yet tells us what to do and believe? WTF?


  247. Zep Tepi says:

    Voting is for plebs. Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I bet the people in Germany thought the same thing before Adolph got them, and their homeland, blown to smithereens.


  248. OCTAVIANVS says:

    I see, so I wasn’t far off the mark. In effect, that would be a King-Monarch -Tyrant.

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:26 pm

    Nah. I support a form of what could be called “fascism,” but try not think of it with the negative conotations.


  249. OCTAVIANVS says:

    make that “connotation”


  250. Octavius - says:

    We call Democracy the sum of its citizenry.

    ————————————–


  251. Zep Tepi says:

    Doesn’t vote and yet tells us what to do and believe? WTF?

    Comment by Octavius

    And calls us traitors to the American system of government while he basically supports a dictatorship.

    Crazy aint it?


  252. gummitch says:

    Nah. I support a form of what could be called “fascism,” but try not think of it with the negative conotations.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:29 pm

    There are positive connotations for fascism? Interesting.

    I’d say this particular confession was one for the books. Not often one of the so-called “conservatives” admits a preference for totalitarianism.


  253. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 11:30 pm

    I call a Democracy a political organization, in which the “demos” (people) have the “kratia” (power/strength/rule).


  254. ronjazz says:

    Nah. I support a form of what could be called “fascism,” but try not think of it with the negative conotations.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:29 pm

    I knew you weren’t an American patriot. I just knew it. I knew you were living in some fantasyland in the distant past, where warriors screwed little boys, and idiots worshipped rocks.

    You are a lost cause.


  255. OCTAVIANVS says:

    I knew you weren’t an American patriot. I just knew it. I knew you were living in some fantasyland in the distant past, where warriors screwed little boys, and idiots worshipped rocks.

    You are a lost cause.

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
    —————

    HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That one was just for you ronjazz!!!

    I knew you’d take the bait!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  256. Chocolate Messiah Overload says:

    >So that Iran can control Iraq’s oil fields?

    They already do Idiot.. the shia are taking over.. DEMOCRATICALLY…
    Let me ask you this? According to you gutter slugs, werent we bringing the IRaqis FREEDOM?? What if they choose to exercise that freedom by making deals with Iran for control and assistance with their oil fields? Is that acceptable to you? And if they dont have the right to do things that arent acceptable to america, is that really freedom? Or just switching gears from one dictator to another?

    > For the libs the United States must lose.

    Ok Frank, lets talk definitions here: Lets say the people of Iraq democratically choose to have a government identical to Iran, democratically choose to align themselves with Iran and Syria, democratically choose to have their tax dollars support Hamas and Hezbollah and democratically choose to sell thier oil to russia and china only. Would you consider that an american “victory”?

    Yes or no?

    > http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm
    >Thanks, michael!

    yes, thanks “micheal” for that Url totally devoid of any proof or citations, from a website whose apparent mission statement is to demonize the largest religion in the world.

    this is what passes for “evidence” in typical republican circles. even the frontpage is chock full of insightful statistics, like “2 children killed by Sunni mortar”…Hmmmm.. last time I checked, I didnt know Sunnis and Shia were convenienty labeled thier mortar shells (perphaps color coding) so people could know who lobbed them. again, not even any statistics to back it up.. at least IraqBodyCount quotes at least 3 sources for any casualty count they make. and they never claim “american soldiers are killling them all”

    the question is simple.. how many muslims were killing muslims, in the last 10 years in iraq before we invaded? the answer is, not many. certainly not 2000 month….almost certainly not even 2000 a year… thus, there is a direct causal relationship between our invasion and the number of deaths in iraq. only people with a vauge and feeble understand of causality (i.e., most people who still support bush) would fail to see this link…


  257. Zep Tepi says:

    Nah. I support a form of what could be called “fascism,” but try not think of it with the negative conotations.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    How peculiar that you call the Islamics Islamofascists.

    Mr P explain, how fascism could possibly work?


  258. katy says:

    looks like a 4th grade playground again… i won’t be staying…

    just found this on samsedershow.com… good, clean humor:

    Submitted by toniD on Sun, 09/02/2007 – 10:55pm.
    THE ITALIAN TOMATO GARDEN

    An old Italian man lived alone in the country. He wanted to dig his
    tomato garden, but it was very hard work as the ground was hard. His
    only son, Vincent, who used to help him, was in prison. The old man
    wrote a letter to his son and described his predicament

    Dear Vincent,
    I am feeling pretty bad because it looks like I won’t be able to plant
    my tomato garden this year. I’m just getting too old to be digging up a
    garden plot. I know if you were here my troubles would be over. I know
    you would be happy to dig the plot for me.
    Love, Dad

    A few days later he received a letter from his son.

    Dear Dad,
    Don’t dig up that garden. That’s where I buried the bodies.
    Love, Vinnie

    At 4 a.m. the next morning, FBI agents
    and local police arrived and dug up the entire area without finding any
    bodies. They apologized to the old man and left. That same day the
    old man received another letter from his son.

    Dear Dad,
    Go ahead and plant the tomatoes now. That’s the best I could do under
    the circumstances.
    Love you,
    Vinnie
    Ciao

    :-)


  259. OCTAVIANVS says:

    > http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm
    >Thanks, michael!

    yes, thanks micheal
    Comment by Chocolate Messiah Overload — September 2, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
    —-

    Yeah, thanks again, michael.


  260. Zep Tepi says:

    I knew you’d take the bait!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Mr P your not helping your team win any converts ya know.


  261. ronjazz says:

    I knew you’d take the bait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:34 pm

    You don’t get out of it that easily, traitor. As I said, before that fabulous breakdown, I already knew the truth about you. Now you just prove that you’re a sociopath as well as an antiAmerican fascist. Like I said, a lost cause, useless as shit on my shoe.


  262. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Mr P your not helping your team win any converts ya know.

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
    ————————

    I don’t lower my standards to win converts.


  263. ronjazz says:

    Yeah, thanks again, michael.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

    p thanks himself for referring to lies and hate. Sick little p.


  264. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by ronjazz — September 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    ronjazz, I’m shocked!

    I thought that you would be thanking me! Afterall, I merely “confirmed” what you already “knew”!


  265. james k. sayre says:

    They say that “no man walks alone…” ; this is especially true of visiting Republican politicians in Eye-rack…



  266. ronjazz says:

    I don’t lower my standards to win converts.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    You mean you can’t lower your standards. You’re at the bottom already.


  267. Octavius - says:

    ronjazz,
    Notice how “michael” showed up the moment he was in a tough spot?
    This guy is sick.


  268. OCTAVIANVS says:

    ronjazz,

    What would you do if I just ignored you completely?


  269. Zep Tepi says:

    Thats a pretty good one katy.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yeah, thanks again, michael.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I remember when the current admin denied their was a civil war going on.

    See how they twist the facts?


  270. ronjazz says:

    I thought that you would be thanking me! Afterall, I merely “confirmed” what you already “knew”!

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    Perhaps if I sufferd the same mental problems you do, I’d need your confimation on anything. But, I’m still sane, so there will be no thanking you, unless you do the right thing, and move to North Korea.


  271. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 11:41 pm

    Try to keep up.


  272. OCTAVIANVS says:

    See how they twist the facts?

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
    —————

    It’s not a civil war, it’s ethnic cleansing. This is an important distinction for Human rights groups, and the U.N.

    Rwanda was written off as a “civil war,” and it turned into a full blown genocide.


  273. Chocolate Messiah Overload says:

    heh that made me laugh Katy.

    >I call a Democracy a political organization,
    >in which the “demos” (people) have
    >the “kratia” (power/strength/rule).

    you just don’t get it, do you Mr.P? No one cares. No matter what you do, no one is ever going to care. No one wants to hear about your aspirations for an associates degree in Philosophy. As a philosophy major, I can say that a philosophy degree is one of the most useless degrees around, for anything other than mental m@sterbation. The one exception to this is for those persuing a future career in the legal field, which I seriously, seriously doubt you posses the logical or reasoning skills to accomplish. THen again, gonzo did it, so maybe theres hope. Given you couldnt be more than 20, you’ve got a long way to go before you get there… but why actually be a lawyer when you could get on the internet and pretend to be one, like mighty afromite…. do you guys know each other? you really seem like two peas in a pod…


  274. Chocolate Messiah Overload says:

    >I don’t lower my standards to win converts.

    Is there anything lower than absolute zero?


  275. Zep Tepi says:

    I don’t lower my standards to win converts.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Yeh Fascism is such a lofty ideology.

    Larry Craig and Mark Foley are likely very dissapointed


  276. OCTAVIANVS says:

    heh that made me laugh Katy.

    >I call a Democracy a political organization,
    >in which the “demos” (people) have
    >the “kratia” (power/strength/rule).

    you just don’t get it, do you Mr.P? No one cares. No matter what you do, no one is ever going to care. No one wants to hear about your aspirations for an associates degree in Philosophy. As a philosophy major, I can say that a philosophy degree is one of the most useless degrees around, for anything other than mental m@sterbation. The one exception to this is for those persuing a future career in the legal field, which I seriously, seriously doubt you posses the logical or reasoning skills to accomplish. THen again, gonzo did it, so maybe theres hope. Given you couldnt be more than 20, you’ve got a long way to go before you get there… but why actually be a lawyer when you could get on the internet and pretend to be one, like mighty afromite…. do you guys know each other? you really seem like two peas in a pod…

    Comment by Chocolate Messiah Overload — September 2, 2007 @ 11:45 pm

    -

    oh.


  277. Octavius - says:

    Try to keep up.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I have been.
    I’ve watched your postings, and how you respond to other posters.

    ronjazz has made the correct dx- you are a sociopath.
    I’ve seen enough of your rantings to have come to that conclusion myself.
    You need serious and intensive help. Tell me what city you are in and I can help refer you to a qualified therapist, and psychiatrist.


  278. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Tell me what city you are in and I can help refer you to a qualified therapist, and psychiatrist.

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 11:49 pm

    nah.


  279. Zep Tepi says:

    It’s not a civil war, it’s ethnic cleansing. This is an important distinction for Human rights groups, and the U.N.

    Its a sectarian war because Iraq was secular AND a civil war because its Iraq against Iraqi.


  280. rockyroad says:

    Blitzer smells blood . . . he’s regaining his journalistic nose . . . things are going to get bloodier, not better . . . the icon of Iraq I doesn’t want to jeopardize his prior standing in light of current trends.

    Better late than never. Maybe other MSM types will catch the scent and resurrect their integrety as rabid reporters of truth in the American tradition.


  281. ronjazz says:

    Well, we can only work hard and get the creeps out of office, then prosecute them, then turn our attention to getting the USA back to its liberal heritage again, so we can be proud of our country and regain worldwide respect, and actually get something positive done instead of the GOP “plan” of destroying our military, economy and reputation. Bush has ended the conservative revolution, and its time to free America.


  282. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Its a sectarian war because Iraq was secular AND a civil war because its Iraq against Iraqi.

    Comment by Zep Tepi — September 2, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
    ——–

    True. But if it is labeled a “civil war,” and an entire ethnic group is wiped out because no one intervened, the world will have some explaining to do.


  283. OCTAVIANVS says:

    “liberal heritage” – ronjazz

    ?

    Ben Franklin hated IslamoStalinism!


  284. ronjazz says:

    Better late than never. Maybe other MSM types will catch the scent and resurrect their integrety as rabid reporters of truth in the American tradition.

    Comment by rockyroad — September 2, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

    well, it’s just a trickle, with Couric admitting to being snowed by the pentagon propagandists, and blow-dried tool Brian Williams actually doing a bit of journalism in NOLA this week, but it may become a flood if the newsies see that we are targeting them along with the rabid right.


  285. bob lahblah says:

    Voting is for plebs.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:25 pm

    I thought voting was for people age 18 and over. How old are you, Mr. P?


  286. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Fallujah as I know it from 2004, is no more. There is nothing there to see but death and destruction. Lets stop this Anbar Province is safe, IT NO LONGER EXIST!!! Why do you think that there have been NO cameras allowed in there since 2004? IT’S GONE people.

    Damn

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 N (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  287. Octavius - says:

    Denial of a problem does not make it less of a problem.


  288. OCTAVIANVS says:

    ronjazz,

    What would you do if I just ignored you completely?

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:42 pm


  289. rockyroad says:

    To clarify, the rabid reporting of truth is not a tradition of American reporting generally, it’s a tradition of great reporting, generally a rarity, but a tradition that a few seminal American reporters have established as the gold standard for journalists through out the world.

    It’s a very good thing.


  290. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Purely objective truth doesn’t exist.


  291. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    Are you still here? You really are shameless.

    Regarding genocide, if that is such an important issue for this administration, why are they so reticent regarding Darfur?


  292. JosephW says:

    It’s really quite obvious why Wolfie turned on the Administration: The check the Admin pays him for his support bounced (again) and he made good on his threat when it happened the last time.


  293. ronjazz says:

    The whole mess in Iraq is based on incompetence. I know some people are trying like hell to point out that Bush’s plan for mideast turmoil is working, blah, blah, blah, but they were taken by nasty surprise by the resistance, which Saddam laughs about from beyond the grave. He;s dead, but he’s killing Americans by the busload, and he knew it would be this way. he instructed the army and guard to disappear into the populace, and wait until the first assault was over. They are well-armed (by Bush’s incompetence once again), and have a plan, unlike the US forces. There is no possible “win” in Iraq, and that is fitting. Bush deserves no win, and will never have one. A win would be getting our people out of there, immediately.


  294. Bodhittsatva says:

    Some of the current problems with representative government can be fixed by following this instead. http://www.thisinstead.info

    BBC 3 part series.
    THE TRAP: WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DREAM OF FREEDOM?

    Part 1 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=152
    Part 2 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=153
    Part 3 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=154

    Good explanation of the differences between the different “believers” in the GOP.
    Sept 1 entry: “Just A River In Egypt”
    http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/


  295. OCTAVIANVS says:

    “You really are shameless.”

    I have nothing to be ashamed of, but in regards to your question, you’ll have to take it up with the administration.


  296. rockyroad says:

    #281 Ronjazz . . .

    Touche.


  297. gummitch says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — September 2, 2007 @ 11:55 pm

    There you are! Check this out: http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/

    No trolls! No namejackers!

    We’d love to see you there.


  298. Zep Tepi says:

    Purely objective truth doesn’t exist.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I agree, most everything you’ve posted is false.


  299. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Comment by gummitch — September 3, 2007

    I’ll be there.


  300. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Uh oh, the

    twoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooofers are coming out of the woodwork!

    Time 4 me to cut and run!

    GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!
    CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!
    DEATH TO ISLAMOSTALINISM!!!


  301. Zep Tepi says:

    omment by gummitch — September 3, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    I’ve got a tab open to it at this moment. =P


  302. gummitch says:

    True. But if it is labeled a “civil war,” and an entire ethnic group is wiped out because no one intervened, the world will have some explaining to do.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    Which ethnic group would you be so concerned about? Arabs? They’re in danger of being wiped out?

    Or is it religious sects that suddenly concern you, you who hate Islamic fundamentalists with such passion that you can’t wait to enlist in the army? Are the Sunnis in danger of being wiped out? The Shi’a? Wow. And to think, all the evidence has been that you didn’t give a sh!t. Are those crocodile tears?


  303. octavius says:

    You should not honor men more than truth.
    ————————————————-
    C’mon, should be easy for you.
    I give you one minute.


  304. gummitch says:

    Tell me what city you are in and I can help refer you to a qualified therapist, and psychiatrist.

    Comment by Octavius – — September 2, 2007 @ 11:49 pm

    –

    nah.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:50 pm

    C’mon, Pee, we all know where you live.


  305. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Are those crocodile tears?
    Comment by gummitch — September 3, 2007 @ 12:05 am

    Nah. It’s just so we don’t look bad in the eyes of the international community.

    By the way, the comments on your website have no connection to reality.

    Wake up, leftists.


  306. ronjazz says:

    #281 Ronjazz . . .

    Touche.

    Comment by rockyroad — September 3, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    It is important to show our appreciation when they get it right. Ths generation’s jounalists are show folk, not newshounds, and they bask in the “applause” they get from positive letters, calls and emails. we’ve always known, here on the fully-evolved left, that you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Positive feedback always works better than negative, and if we want to keep this trend of truth-telling going, we need to apply the feel-good. I think we should have our fun trashing the nitwits here, but take 3 minutes to thank them for actually doing their jobs for a change. Then the trickle will become a rush, and the GOP will be buried in its own crap.


  307. Bodhittsatva says:

    The only waking for you Octoanus is at the end of a rope.
    Hemp or Nylon?


  308. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTAVIANUS sez:

    I have nothing to be ashamed of,

    That’s a matter of opinion.

    but in regards to your question, you’ll have to take it up with the administration.

    Typical bullshit dodge. Why am I not surprised?


  309. Brassmask says:

    TripMaster Monkey has been dodging questions all night.


  310. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Why am I not surprised?

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 3, 2007 @ 12:08 am

    ———

    You should be. Normally I would say:

    “The UN is handling that.”

    This time a switched things up, and didn’t presume to speak for the Bush adm.


  311. rockyroad says:

    This morning, Tweety made a very disturbing observation. In waxing eloquently over dubya’s political prowess, he surmised that dubya has been very wily in entrenching America so deeply in Iraq (and the middle east) that it will be impossible for us to extricate ourselves for years (read: decades).

    Eke. Who ever is elected for the next couple of terms will be saddled with this entrenched disaster.

    Hopefully, we’ll have leadership willing to bite the bullet and pull out.

    No matter. This pathetic Congress and Justice Department have enabled a ding bat to bestow a legacy of dead soldiers and Iraqis, instability in the middle east and international disgrace upon this nation for generations to come.

    Congress. . . great job . . . you let dubya do ya . . . now bend back over and answer up.


  312. Brassmask says:

    Newshouds is one liberal posting under 10 different handles. It’s all one liberal!


  313. octavius says:

    You should not honor men more than truth.
    ————————————————-
    C’mon, should be easy for you.
    I give you one minute.

    Comment by octavius — September 3, 2007 @ 12:06 am

    Sorry- gave you lots of time. Poor Sap. It was easy, too.


  314. gummitch says:

    By the way, the comments on your website have no connection to reality.

    Wake up, leftists.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 3, 2007 @ 12:06 am

    Are you feeling left out? Poor little boo-boo.

    Your blog, of course, is blessed with the brilliant and insightful commentary of Ralph and CT. Who needs reality when you have a couple of wankers like that?


  315. octavius says:

    Here’s one for you: False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.

    Sound like anyone we know?-who can’t even get a quote from Plato? (last quote)


  316. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by octavius — September 3, 2007 @ 12:12 am

    It’s immaterial, you stooge!


  317. gummitch says:

    Oh, Mr Pee, almost forgot to acknowledge that you have The Joker, psychotic moron that he is, also providing commentary on your blog. Nice work.



  318. hacker bob says:

    gummitch,

    Do you have the keys to the zoo? I seem to be locked out and need to feed the river otter.


  319. CaptainVideo says:

    “Echoing claims made by Gen. David Petraeus, Boustany said “sectarian deaths are down.”

    I guess it all depends on what the meaning of “sectarian” is. This shows that Petraeus is as big a misleader as Bush and that one should not believe anything he says.

    Kudos to Blitzer who seems to finally have figured out not to take administration spin at face value.


  320. octavius says:

    Look at yourself. You need help. Tell me your city and I can arrange it for you. The first step is acknowledging the problem.


  321. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTAVIANUS sez:

    It’s immaterial, you stooge!

    Translation: I don’t know, so I’ll pretend I don’t care.

    How’s those grapes tasting?


  322. ronjazz says:

    Who would have thought that Bin Laden’s biggest ally would be George Bush? I would havem that’s who. I read the books detailing the Bush family’s ties to Hitler and the Reich, and to the Saudi Royals and knew that George Bush was the biggest enemy this country would know, and would also be the world’s biggest terrorist. What surprised me was the ease with which the Republican treason machine stole the elections of ‘00 and ‘04, especially the number of senate seats by outright illegal means and methods. That was discouraging. ‘06 was too close for comfort, and we need to be especially wary for ‘08.


  323. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by gummitch — September 3, 2007 @ 12:16 am

    CT_V1 is going to be a contributor!

    We will expose your anti-American lies!


  324. octavi-anus says:

    I’m melting! I’m melting!


  325. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Sound like anyone we know?-who can’t even get a quote from Plato? (last quote)

    Comment by octavius — September 3, 2007 @ 12:15 am
    ——————

    You know, there are several translations of Plato’s works, so even if you have a few quotes memorized, it doesn’t mean that they will correspond to the translations that others may be referencing.

    Case in point: your translation of Herodotus.


  326. rockyroad says:

    #303 Ronjazz

    I completely agree. Blitzer did amazing reporting for CNN during Iraq I. He demonstrated extraordinary courage and provided a sole source of great coverage. Truly, he and journalists who put themselves in harm’s way in order to bring the truth are to be commended.

    Lately it seems that we’ve seen journalists in Russia and the Netherlands who have demonstrated similar courage and commitment to truth. . . . with media consolidation and politicization here in the US, practically none here. The US is no longer known as a bastion of freedom and journalistic integrety . . . it’s known as a warmongering nation with a media propaganda machine, the media having been hijacked by the politicized FCC, et al.

    Certainly we must encourage quality journalists . . . when Wolf speaks out, I listen. Hopefully, more will take his lead.


  327. gummitch says:

    Do you have the keys to the zoo? I seem to be locked out and need to feed the river otter.

    Comment by hacker bob — September 3, 2007 @ 12:18 am

    That’s weird. Nothing I can see that would prevent you from commenting. More research is required.


  328. octavi-anus says:

    I’ll get you, and your little dog, too, Herodotus!


  329. OCTAVIANVS says:

    (last quote)

    Comment by octavius — September 3, 2007 @ 12:15 am
    ——————

    Well, shiiiiit.

    I’ve got the entire collection of dialogues, I can post quotes all night!

    (I’m not going to, however, because philosophy does not consist of merely spitting out random quotes)

    Nice try.
    .


  330. Egreggious says:

    hacker bob, what’s the problem exactly? Can we help?


  331. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTAVIANUS sez:

    You know, there are several translations of Plato’s works, so even if you have a few quotes memorized, it doesn’t mean that they will correspond to the translations that others may be referencing.

    Translation: I don’t know, so I’ll confuse the issue by talking about multiple translations. Never mind that my point about multiple translations only means I can’t search for the exact phrase (a la Google), thereby confirming me as a poseur and a pseudo-intellectual hack.

    Doesn’t look like those grapes are any good at all, dolt. A bit sour for your tastes? ^_^


  332. rockyroad says:

    Side note: The Russian and Dutch journalists have been murdered. Don’t mean to imply that to be a great journalist, you must put your life on the line . . . Molly Ivans, Murrow and others are great examples.


  333. CaptainVideo says:

    “After his plane was forced to take evasive maneuvers to avoid rocket-propelled grenades while taking off from Baghdad,’

    We can’t even defend Badgad airport from attacks. If there was any doubt that the surge is not working, this is the smoking gun.


  334. hacker bob says:

    Zooey should be working on it.


  335. octavi-anus says:

    Certainly we must encourage quality journalists . . . when Wolf speaks out, I listen. Hopefully, more will take his lead.

    Comment by rockyroad — September 3, 2007 @ 12:24 am

    Just so, but we can’t be passive. We have Al Gore’s marvelous invention here for our use as free citizens, until the fascists figure out a way to compromise it. I never trusted Blitzer, and I was no fan of Iraq 1, I think it was a cheap shot, and that Bush1 certainly could have done a better job all around. This global megalomania based on race, religion and oil is really barbaric.


  336. gummitch says:

    (I’m not going to, however, because philosophy does not consist of merely spitting out random quotes)

    Nice try.
    .

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 3, 2007 @ 12:25 am

    Can it be that you’ve actually learned something? Because all you do is spit out random quotes, either from ancient Greek boy-lovers or other commenters like Ralph. Lord, it must be painful to be that dim.


  337. gummitch says:

    Zooey should be working on it.

    Comment by hacker bob — September 3, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    Technical support is requesting more information. What happens when you attempt to comment?


  338. octavi-anus says:

    Stop picking on me!


  339. Egreggious says:

    Bob, we had a little glitch earlier at the Zoo. We’re overwhelmed with traffic. You may need to re-register or something to get in.

    Can you see the site?


  340. CaptainVideo says:

    “CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!”

    It would be great if that were the Republican ticket. That would lead to the biggest political rout of the Republicans in the next election in all of U.S. history.


  341. Egreggious says:

    Looks like gummitch has this. Good luck.


  342. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 3, 2007 @ 12:26 am

    Actually, I did search the exact phrase a la Google, for every quote except the first (Herodotus).

    I could have answered right away, but I chose not to.


  343. hacker bob says:

    Egg and gum (sounds like a bad breakfast)

    I’m good now.


  344. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Egg, the site is up and HB is posting.


  345. ronjazz says:

    Cheney as prez? 80% of the American people would be probable assassins.


  346. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTIVIANUS sez:

    Actually, I did search the exact phrase a la Google, for every quote except the first (Herodotus).

    Thanks for the confirmation, hack.

    I could have answered right away, but I chose not to.

    Riiiiight…



  347. octavi-anus says:

    I could have answered right away, but I chose not to. I didn’t want you to mistakenly think I was smart. I’m no liberal.


  348. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Riiiiight…

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 3, 2007 @ 12:34 am

    Yup.


  349. rockyroad says:

    #331 Al Gore advocated development and protection of the internet – he never said and no intelligent human being thinks that he “discovered” the internet. Wake up.

    No one argues that you need to be a supporter of Iraq I to acknowledge that Blitzer’s reporting was extradorinary, courageous and worthy of commendation.


  350. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Time for TP to become boring again!


  351. blogbob says:

    “Listen, even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!”

    Comment by michael — September 2, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Ahhh, the plot sickens…

    Dubya has promised to entangle us in Iraq so deep that his successor will never be able to get us out. Read between the lines. That means US Army and US Marines protecting the staff of ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, ChevronTexaco, Shell and BP, for the indefinite future.

    But if he wants to invade Iran, he’s going to have to re-instate a Draft. With his children and children of his friends conveniently dismissed, of course.


  352. Why are Republicans destroying America? says:

    Time for TP to become boring again!

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 3, 2007 @ 12:36 am

    If you’re bored, run home to mommie, little, immature boy.


  353. ronjazz says:

    No one argues that you need to be a supporter of Iraq I to acknowledge that Blitzer’s reporting was extradorinary, courageous and worthy of commendation.

    Comment by rockyroad — September 3, 2007 @ 12:35 am

    Well, much the same was said of Bernard what’s-his-name as well, but I thought they were opportunistic cheerleaders all too often. But, I hate wars of aggression, so my viewpoint is skewed.


  354. TripMaster Monkey says:

    OCTAVIANUS sez:

    Time for TP to become boring again!

    How did you know I was signing off for the night?


  355. ronjazz says:

    #331 Al Gore advocated development and protection of the internet – he never said and no intelligent human being thinks that he “discovered” the internet. Wake up.

    Comment by rockyroad — September 3, 2007 @ 12:35 am

    I read that as snark, a poke at the rightwingers.


  356. blogbob says:

    Quote from Mark Twain (Courtesy of “Big Bang: The Origin of the Universe,” by Simon Singh:

    “First, get the facts, then you can distort them at your leisure.”


  357. Bodhittsatva says:

    “They must find it difficult…Those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as the authority.”


  358. BORe Ink says:

    Time for TP to become boring again!
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    I go to this blog called conservo. Makes me fall asleep.

    “Listen, even if a democrat wins the WH we will have a major military presence in Iraq for decades!”Comment by michael

    Yeh and we will have a mandatory service act so people like you can go see the middle east and enjoy the welfare queen state of Iraq!


  359. Bodhittsatva says:

  360. curmudgeon says:

    Maybe the real story is that the Bush Administration and his hand-picked sock puppets in the Pentagon (at least some of them, most likely including Petraeus, which rhymes with “betray us”) considers an increase in sectarian violence and Iraqi deaths to be a sign that the surge is, indeed, working.

    To take a cynical point of view, perhaps the purpose of the surge is to further inflame sectarian violence amongst the Iraqis, and if this is the purpose, the increased deaths would be considered a measure of success.

    If refugees continue to leave Iraq in droves (constant danger, lack of jobs, 1 hour of electricity on a good day, etc. providing a powerful incentive to leave), and those who remain kill each other, once their numbers shrink sufficiently, who is left to pump the oil out of the ground and hand it over to the multinational oil companies? Oh, yes, that answer would be (drum roll, please) — US!

    Although such an interpretation sounds admittedly jaded, when sectarian violence/deaths are up and our politicians are stating that the “surge” is resulting in progress, how else can we reconcile these otherwise apparent contradictions?


  361. rockyroad says:

    Bernard Shaw. He, Blitzer and the CNN team were just about the only tv journalists that didn’t flee Iraq before the skuds started flying and they couldn’t escape. They went live in the middle of a war zone. It was pretty amazing.

    No, I’m no fan of wars of aggression . . . but when journalists are willing to risk their lives to let me know what my government is up to . . . I’m all for it. . . a cheerleader so to speak.

    Yes, reading between the lines, the independent contractors, Halliburton and big oil all are beneficiaries of a prolonged, entrenched American presence in Iraq. Go dubya!



  362. BORe Ink says:

    Huh, #355
    Conservo is a biofuel station.

    Sorry, I meant Konservo
    http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/


  363. rockyroad says:

    Another note about Blitzer, Shaw and CNN reporting from Iraq . . . they were in the middle of a war zone, bombs flying. They were not embedded with American troops on a tourist vacation. They were not surrounded by troops, with military choppers flying overhead to protect their pretty asses as they paraded with a bunch of politicians and military tour guides buying rugs in a “Green Zone” market. They were holed up all by themselves, without military security in a hotel.

    Let’s just think . . . if I want to know about crime in New York Illinois, or California, do I enlist an army contingent and Congressional hacks to tour to midtown Manhatten, Lake Forest or Newport Beach – or travel solo into alphabet city, Cabrini Green or beautiful downtown Compton?


  364. Bodhittsatva says:

    http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/

    Oh that piece of shiit Mr.Pee’s crappy blog. PUHLEEEZE!!!!


  365. gummitch says:

    Oh that piece of shiit Mr.Pee’s crappy blog. PUHLEEEZE!!!!

    Comment by Bodhittsatva — September 3, 2007 @ 1:11 am

    None of the so-called “conservatives” (and that includes the fascist Mr Pee) have been willing to acknowledge that liberals are responsible for everything they claim to hold dear about Labor Day. Those “conservatives” who have jobs refused to acknowledge that the efforts, and the very lives of progressives guaranteed them a reasonable work week, and whatever benefits they retain in their workplaces.

    Of course, some of them, like Mr Pee, are even more removed from reality because they aren’t actually employed. It is easier for them to fall into a morass of “conservative” denial about the value of labor, and the value of the working person.

    To some of you, it’s now Monday and it’s now Labor Day. Give serious consideration to the debt you owe to the people who came before you, who literally gave their lives to ensure that the idea of a working wage was no longer considered “extremist”.

    Happy Labor Day.

    All honor to unions and to solidarity.

    And, well, f@ck it: to the joy of life.


  366. lylepink says:

    FYI: Quotes seem to be a little play, so I will give you my original, this is mine alone, not taken from someone else. “Accuse your opponent of doing what you are doing and in that way you will know what you are doing.” Hows that y’all?


  367. Egreggious says:

    Nice post, gummitch.


  368. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by gummitch — September 3, 2007 @ 1:22 am

    Actually, I’m a liberal.


  369. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Yup. I’m just a liberal that is mugged by reality!


  370. scooter says:

    Can we measure the PROGRESS in NEW ORLEANS by the # of killings being committed?

    I sure hope so…. too many LIBTARDS have considered the EXTREMELY high # of deaths there,,, to have nothing to do with the PROGRESS that is and WILL occur there.

    You know ignoring reality and HOPEING for the best.


  371. Bob says:

    Lynn Cheny did a slapdown of this Communist News Nutroot Blitzer:

    ” DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN”?


  372. Zooey says:

    Actually, I’m a liberal.
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 3, 2007 @ 1:34 am

    Uh huh.

    Did you ditch your Meglomaniac website?


  373. BORe Ink says:

    Yup. I’m just a liberal that is mugged by reality!
    Comment by OCTAVIANVS

    Naw, progressives fight for the peoples rights, for fair wages, for a 8 hour work, against child labor, not against them.

    I think your a fascist mugged by Leo Straussian Orwellian ‘Pseudo Conservatism’ IE a false reality, with false morals and false values.


  374. BORe Ink says:

    Did you ditch your Meglomaniac website?

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007

    He doesn’t seem to know what the heck he is Zooey, pseudo conservatism has him so twisted he doesn’t know Islamic Theocracy from Stalinism.


  375. BORe Ink says:

    ” DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN”?
    Comment by Bob

    How do you WIN a Freedom Operation Bob?


  376. scooter says:

    boreing
    next sit down with a nice FRENCH individual and ask them why thier countries GDP has been 1/4 that of the USA.

    You know living standards and useless stuff like that.


  377. Buck Fush says:

    Of course we do Bob, you are such and idiot, do you really think any American wants us to lose, you are a brain washed fool. Where is stupid Bob? He is much more entertaining that regular troll Bob.


  378. scooter says:

    The generals report must be pretty good PROGRESS stuff considering the FRENZY the LIBTARDS are in…

    They don’t get this way when the news coming out is in thier favor.

    In fact,,, you don’t even need to hear the GENERALS report,,, just listening to the LIBTARD FRENZY surrounding it is all the information needed.



  379. scooter says:

    buck fush,,

    Do you know how we can tell that REPUBLICANS want NEW ORLEANS to fail?
    They let LIBTARDS run it.


  380. Zooey says:

    The only frenzy I see, scootie, is the trollie frenzy.

    Why do trolls hate life so?


  381. scooter says:

    Louisiana GOV,,, KATHLEEN BLANCO would not accept troops from the GOVT. because she was afraid they might make PROGRESS even after the HURRICANE.

    If NEW ORLEANS was making more PROGRESS then the 90% of citizens living there might not just VOTE DEMO…

    That woman is smarter than she looks.


  382. Zooey says:

    Prove it, scooter, or it’s a lie.


  383. scooter says:

    Zooey,,,

    I guess if YOU say that I hate life,,, then it must be so.
    DAMN,,,, I thought my life was pretty fun.


  384. Zooey says:

    Yes, scooter. Your life is f*cking miserable. Remember that.


  385. Korncob Ken says:

    Did you ditch your Meglomaniac website?

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007

    Did you ditch your homo erotic website?
    You know, the one that insults everyone that shows up calling them “Dirty Fuçking Hippy’s”, and deletes posts that aren’t registered members, worse than you’ve accused Mr. Pee. of doing.
    You should be banned from Think Progress for dogging it constantly and trying to pirate it’s users to your loser site.
    Why aren’t you there now?
    No one to play with? GET LOST!!


  386. scooter says:

    Zooey,, do you want me to prove that 80-90% of black people vote DEMO?
    do you want me to prove that the city of NEW ORLEANS is OVERWHELMINGLY poor and black?
    do you want me to prove that 2+2=4?


  387. scooter says:

    AHHHHH,,,,
    Zooey told me my life is lksdajf;lasj miserable…

    UGGGGG


  388. Zooey says:

    What’s the matter Korncob? Corn cob up or two your ass?

    You get deleted because you’re a filthy mouthed troll who insults decent people.


  389. Korncob Ken says:

    Yea, that’s what I’m talking about, Big Girl!!
    NOW, delete that Zooey, Ms. Moderator.


  390. scooter says:

    Can we get this guy BOUSTANY that was in IRAQ to now go to NEW ORLEANS and report if there is PROGRESS occuring.

    I’m sure WOLF will have another field day when he shows more killings again….


  391. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    AHHHHH,,,,
    Zooey told me my life is lksdajf;lasj miserable…

    UGGGGG

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 2:26 am

    Miserable, and possibly ignorant, too. I just looked over a timeline, and I don’t see any mention of Blanco refusing troops (as you asserted above.) I DO see her request for troops ignored or delayed by Bush.


  392. Zooey says:

    scooter,

    Dumbass. Read your own allegation, and then prove it. I know it’s hard, but give it the kindergarten try.


  393. BORe Ink says:

    They let LIBTARDS run it.
    Comment by scooter

    Lets talk poverty and Red States;
    Now for the Red states. Of the red states, who’s average was around 11.9% for the 33 remaining states, There was some major differences that need to be mentioned. For example, the lowest poverty level was 8.6 in Virginia, with the highest in Mississippi with an unbelievable 20.6% of their population living in poverty. That is just over one in five! Six of the seventeen blue states had lower poverty percentages than the red state with the lowest poverty level.

    The Red States, surpise had more poverty AND higher divorce rates BTW!

    could it be that republicans are malnourished and not thinking clearly?


  394. scooter says:

    then again WOLF would probably ignore the higher #’s of deaths in NEW ORLEANS….

    That would only hurt his LIBTARD buddy RAY NAGIN.
    His job is to get BUSH not NAGIN


  395. Zooey says:

    Yea, that’s what I’m talking about, Big Girl!!
    NOW, delete that Zooey, Ms. Moderator.
    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 2:26 am

    I think you’ve got three corn cobs up there. *yawn*


  396. BORe Ink says:

    OVERWHELMINGLY poor and black?
    do you want me to prove that 2+2=4?

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007

    Id like to see that given what I posted. Red States are more poverty stricken than blue states.

    Under Clinton more jobs were created than with Bush. And to quote a Republican, Chait, Tax cuts don’t create jobs, Republicans knew it wouldn’t, so they adopted a big fat lie, trickle down theory to sell it.


  397. scooter says:

    BORING

    why are the INTERMOUNTAIN states RED. And also have the lowest unemployment of any REGION.?

    why are the RED states growing faster than the BLUE, which are either not growing as fast or not at all,,,
    This includes GDP and POPULATION.?


  398. Zooey says:

    why are the RED states growing faster than the BLUE, which are either not growing as fast or not at all,,,
    This includes GDP and POPULATION.?
    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 2:37 am

    Maybe you can prove this one, scootie!!

    Prove it or it’s a LIE!!


  399. BORe Ink says:

    That would only hurt his LIBTARD buddy RAY NAGIN.
    His job is to get BUSH not NAGIN Comment by scooter

    So what has (R) Vitter done for New Orleans?

    I guess you missed the fact, MR P?, that the current admin with a republican congress at that time, stopped funding in 2001 for the levees.

    Please try Harder scooter, your ad-hominem attacks just aint cutting it.


  400. scooter says:

    Boreing

    The poor and black mentioned are in the cities ,,, ie NEW ORLEANS, PHILADELPHIA, TRENTON etc….

    There are plenty of other LIBTARD white folks living in these states that are plenty rich…. they just suffer from the guilt trip….

    Even though a city is a drain on the GOVT. (about any big city with a sizable black population is) does not mean the STATE is poor. (read my posts)


  401. BORe Ink says:

    why are the RED states growing faster than the BLUE, which are either not growing as fast or not at all,,,This includes GDP and POPULATION.?
    Comment by scooter

    I dont want lip, I wanna see numbers to back up your statements.


  402. Korncob Ken says:

    You get deleted because…
    Comment by Zooey

    Can’t delete me here though, can you Fattie.
    You’ve tried to undermine Think Progress with some pinky fag that showed up about 3 months ago and seduced you.
    You should be ashamed and slink away. You’ve bitten the hand that feeds you. As far as I’m concerned you should be banished from here you turncoat.
    Now delete this; and don’t try crying to the TP. administration because I’ll tell them all about your betrayal.
    Go ahead, Big Girl, delete this.


  403. BORe Ink says:

    http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1030

    Hey maybe its because they are more obese scooter?


  404. Zooey says:

    I don’t want to delete you here, Kornie. I like you right here, being as stupid as you can.

    Exactly how does a gay man seduce a straight woman? Don’t think about it too hard, you’ll get all excited by the gay.

    Ban me TP!! Please!! Do it now!!


  405. scooter says:

    Zooey,,,,

    You ask for proof,,,,, Why is AFFIRMITIVE ACTION or any other RACE BASED program necessary unless the RACE it is trying to help is poor and BEHIND the general population?

    Where are BLACKS in the MAJORITY,,, (in most cases) the cities.


  406. BORe Ink says:

    You’ve tried to undermine Think Progress with some pinky fag that showed up about 3 months ago and seduced you. -KK

    What is this person talking about? Man talk about your projectionists.


  407. Zooey says:

    Hey scoots,

    Are you ADD or something? Pay attention!!


  408. shane says:

    I think you’ve got three corn cobs up there. *yawn*

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    Zooey, one more and maybe cornhole will finally be content.


  409. scooter says:

    boreink,,,

    If you don’t know about the difference in the RUSTBELT to the SUNBELT then there is nothing I can do for you.

    Granted the RUST lost a lot of JOBS and income from factories (paid relatively well) are no longer there in the same #’s….

    You do know why they call it the RUSTBELT vs. the SUNBELT don’t you?


  410. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 2:43 am

    Wow, is any of that rant based on reality? And what makes you so convinced that Zooey is, as you so elegantly put it, “a fattie? Personally, I think she’s rather attractive. And why should she be banished from here? What are you talking about with the “turncoat” and “betrayal” references? Finally, have you used up all of your drugs for the evening, or will you get even crazier as the night wears on?


  411. OCTAVIANVS says:

    You ask for proof,,,,, Why is AFFIRMITIVE ACTION or any other RACE BASED program necessary unless the RACE it is trying to help is poor and BEHIND the general population?

    Where are BLACKS in the MAJORITY,,, (in most cases) the cities.

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 2:47 am
    —————

    Dems use minorities for political reasons, therefore, it is in the best interests of the Democrat party to keep minorities down.

    Dems are now trying to do this with Muslims.


  412. Zooey says:

    Comment by BORe Ink — September 3, 2007 @ 2:48 am

    Paranoid ranting. We start our own blog, and scared all the trollies out of their teeny tiny minds!!


  413. BORe Ink says:

    “It’s estimated that there are 300,000 to 400,000 extra deaths that are related to obesity each year,” he said. “We [Tennessee] spend north of 100 billion dollars in health-care costs on obesity-related illness each year.”

    Well, looks like alot of Red Staters are keeling over scooter, and look at all that Liberal Healthcare!!! 100 billion dollars worth!


  414. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    I think you’ve got three corn cobs up there. *yawn*

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    You mean the bases are loaded? Ha-ha. ;)


  415. 2ManyTrolls/2LittleTime says:

    Duh- buh- buh- yes, its’ true. \Chimpy and Cheny will

    lie

    to

    You.

    Stupid, stupid, CONTURDS.


  416. scooter says:

    Then again,,, maybe BUSH started the RUSTBELT vs SUNBELT thing…. could be a conspiracy.


  417. shane says:

    Go ahead, Big Girl, delete this.

    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 2:43 am

    Oooh your scaring us all, pansy.


  418. BORe Ink says:

    If you don’t know about the difference in the RUSTBELT to the SUNBELT then there is nothing I can do for you. -KK

    Yes Ken I have worked in many states, the Rust Belt is up north, like in Detroit where the metal industry basically collapsed, outsourced. The Sun Belt grows crops. The Rust belt, well it grows poverty.


  419. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 2:53 am

    When in doubt, Blame Bush… if you’re in Proglib-land, that is.


  420. shane says:

    That’s right conturds, we started a blog to get away from dumbshit trolls who do nothing but spew lies. Getting kicked off this site doesn’t matter because you pukes have crapped it up so much its a waste of time. And TP won’t do anything about it. Anybody interested in getting away from all the trollshit come here, http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/


  421. 2ManyTrolls/2LittleTime says:

    Hey trolls!
    oh yeah, its the time of night when they’re out soliciting s*x in the park, under overpasses, and in public toilets- not posting from the trailer park office or dodging the suspicious librarian while thinking-up their (clever to-them) ramblings.


  422. Zooey says:

    You mean the bases are loaded? Ha-ha. ;)
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — September 3, 2007 @ 2:53 am

    Bases are loaded and he’s going down on the Count…..er, giong down for the count.


  423. scooter says:

    boring,
    You seem to have a fetish for this OBESITY thing….

    (don’t have any proof for ya) But what do ya think about the INNER CITY people we describe also being obese?


  424. shane says:

    Then again,,, maybe BUSH started the RUSTBELT vs SUNBELT thing…. could be a conspiracy.

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 2:53 am

    And maybe you’re a dick. Oh, no maybe. You’re a very small dick.


  425. shane says:

    Where are BLACKS in the MAJORITY,,, (in most cases) the cities.

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 2:47 am

    I’ve never met a black person dumber than you scoots, and I live in a big city. What kind of smarts do you think you have? Take your time.


  426. scooter says:

    That’s right conturds, we started a blog to get away from dumbshit trolls who do nothing but spew lies. Getting kicked off this site doesn’t matter because you pukes have crapped it up so much its a waste of time. And TP won’t do anything about it. Anybody interested in getting away from all the trollshit come here, http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/

    Comment by shane — September

    Run away…


  427. BORe Ink says:

    I don’t have any proof for ya) But what do ya think about the INNER CITY people we describe also being obese? -KK

    No proof. At least you admit that. Obesity is a problem, we are junk food junkies today, every store or gas station sells it, school lunches are junky.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    boring, You seem to have a fetish for this OBESITY thing.

    Please dont pin YOUR imagination on me.


  428. Zooey says:

    Shane,

    You’re scaring the warty trollies!


  429. shane says:

    Run away…

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:00 am

    Make me, lardass.


  430. scooter says:

    I’ve never met a black person dumber than you scoots, and I live in a big city. What kind of smarts do you think you have? Take your time.

    Comment by shane —

    Your probably right shane,,,, considering the PLIGHT of LIBTARD run cities (and the BLACKS that keep bringing them back),, Having more STREET SMARTS than a fella such as myself is a necessity…

    Unfortunatly that STREET SMARTS also tells them that living on WELFARE is just another CAREER option.


  431. shane says:

    You’re scaring the warty trollies!

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007 @ 3:02 am

    Even warts won’t live on pond scum. Only putrid bacteria thrives on these trollies.


  432. shane says:

    Unfortunatly that STREET SMARTS also tells them that living on WELFARE is just another CAREER option.

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:04 am

    Yeah, they can get a job as soon as they move to Mexico or China, asswipe.


  433. Zooey says:

    Has scoots backed up a single things he’s said tonight?

    Maybe ADHD…..or Red Bull and Cheetos.


  434. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    When in doubt, Blame Bush… if you’re in Proglib-land, that is.

    Comment by OCTAVIANVS — September 3, 2007 @ 2:56 am

    When in doubt, believe Bush…if you’re in Crazy-land, that is.

    There, fixed it for you.


  435. scooter says:

    You guys SEEM like smart fellas…

    Tell me why ASIANS as a RACE do so much better than BLACKS in both education and jobs?


  436. Korncob Ken says:

    WOW! I just visited that site that calls it’s contributors “Dirty F*cken Hippy’s”. Quite impressive; 92 comments on the Howard Dean thread.
    It seems though that it’s the same 4 people spamming it with chit chat over and over and over.
    Tons O’ fun, I must say.

    P.S. Mr. Wayne A. Schmucker, it’s past your bedtime.


  437. scooter says:

    zoeey,,,

    cmon zoeey,,, prove to me that RACE BASED CRAP is for the ASIANS TOO… PROVE IT


  438. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    P.S. Mr. Wayne A. Schmucker, it’s past your bedtime.

    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 3:07 am

    Yeah, yeah, and they’re waiting for you in the airport men’s room. Better hurry.


  439. Zooey says:

    Aw Kornie, you’ve been there before!

    Do dirty f*cking hippies scare the shit out of you?


  440. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Tell me why ASIANS as a RACE do so much better than BLACKS in both education and jobs?

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:06 am
    ———————————————————————————-

    It seems that they work harder.


  441. scooter says:

    Zoeey,,,,

    Prove to me that AFFIRMITIVIE ACTION is necessary to the other minority ASIANS as it is just used for BLACKS…

    To do anything else PROVES to YOU that LIBTARDS know BLACKS need help. (and so must you)


  442. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Preferential Treatment “affirmative action” = Racism


  443. BORe Ink says:

    Indiana, a red state, has had 37,000 people drop into poverty.

    Ohio, a red state, attracts the poor,coverage.

    For the second year in a row, Ohio was the only state with two big cities among the country’s 10 poorest. Cleveland ranked fourth. Cincinnati was third. More than a quarter of residents are poor in six of Ohio’s 10 largest cities. Only Texas, another Red State, had more cities — eight — where the poverty rate topped 25 percent, according to census figures.


  444. scooter says:

    octavianvs,,,

    Please do not help ZOEEY come to grips with his PROOFS on the benefits of LIBTARD ideology…

    These things work better when the person we are trying to help comes up with the answer.


  445. Zooey says:

    Scoots,

    You’ve got a shit load of proving to do before I even consider reading anything you want me to prove. Git busy!


  446. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Sorry, scooter, my bad.


  447. shane says:

    It seems though that it’s the same 4 people spamming it with chit chat over and over and over.
    Tons O’ fun, I must say.

    P.S. Mr. Wayne A. Schmucker, it’s past your bedtime.

    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 3:07 am

    Whatever you think, loser. Go to Mr. Pees site, he gets 3 or 4 posts a day, that’s more your speed. Nobody wants to read your hatefilled lies creep.


  448. Zooey says:

    Mr Pee,

    Is scoots one of yours? Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, eh?


  449. scooter says:

    boreing,,

    Your ignoring the fact the majority of people in those cities,,, WHEREEVER they are ,,,, red or blue state are BLACK…. they are the ones we are supposed to be helping. (REPUBs and DEMS have different visions)

    ALA NEW ORLEANS…. and the fantastic PROGRESS we are making there…


  450. BORe Ink says:

    Tell me why ASIANS as a RACE do so much better than BLACKS in both education and jobs?
    Comment by scooter

    What are you a communist?

    [Joking] I dont know that they do. Are you talking about immigrants or American born Asians?


  451. shane says:

    Aw Kornie, you’ve been there before!

    Do dirty f*cking hippies scare the shit out of you?

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007 @ 3:11 am

    He’d answer but he’s crapping his pants. Hard to do with all those cobs up his rectum.

    Better be careful, we’re probably getting Mr. P all excited.


  452. Zooey says:

    My bad, scoots is proving one thing — that he’s a RACIST.


  453. scooter says:

    Zoeey,,,

    Then don’t prove anything….

    Just give me your opinion,,,, (the proof provided here by boring is no better)

    Why are BLACKS a failure in comparison to ASIANS?


  454. shane says:

    Tell us Pee, or Octastupid. How’s that new site of your’s doing? Oh, sorry, loser.


  455. BORe Ink says:

    Your ignoring the fact the majority of people in those cities,,, WHEREEVER they are ,,,, red or blue state are BLACK

    You have given no facts that this, above, is true.

    I would guess its the family structure or lack of one that causes kids, of all colors, to not do well.


  456. Zooey says:

    Why are BLACKS a failure in comparison to ASIANS?
    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:19 am

    I don’t form opinions based on racist comments.


  457. scooter says:

    boring

    The whole ASIAN RACE… you know like the whole BLACK RACE…

    Why are not the RACE based programs for ASIANS?

    I dare say the ASIANS as a RACE have passed WHITEY..
    What do you think?


  458. Korncob Ken says:

    Nobody wants to read your hatefilled lies creep.

    Comment by shane

    Appearently you do, and just did, Ditz.

    …Mr. Pees site, he gets 3 or 4 posts a day,

    How would you know unless you’re lurking around there too?
    You’re such a phony lightweight.


  459. shane says:

    Why are BLACKS a failure in comparison to ASIANS?

    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:19 am

    First you figure out why you’re such a failure, then maybe you can figure out everybody else’s problems.

    Anybody interested in leaving the trollshit behind:
    http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/
    just register for a free wordpress account and get away from these creeps.


  460. scooter says:

    Why are BLACKS a failure in comparison to ASIANS?
    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:19 am

    I don’t form opinions based on racist comments.

    Comment by Zooey

    Race based programs are set up for BLACKS and not ASIANS…

    Is me repeating what OUR GOVT. is doing RACIST?
    Or do you not know how to answer this and still support LIBTARD idiology?


  461. shane says:

    How would you know unless you’re lurking around there too?
    You’re such a phony lightweight.

    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 3:23 am

    Sure nimrod, after we kicked him off our site. It took all of 3 seconds to check out his site. It hardly requires “lurking” chump.


  462. Zooey says:

    How would you know unless you’re lurking around there too?
    You’re such a phony lightweight.
    Comment by Korncob Ken — September 3, 2007 @ 3:23 am

    Like you, phony creep? You hang around obsessing about the gay. You’re sick.


  463. had enough says:

    Has scoots backed up a single things he’s said tonight?

    Maybe ADHD…..or Red Bull and Cheetos.

    Comment by Zooey

    Earlier today, he was not able to give me an answer to what he thought progress in Iraq would be..
    I have searched the internet and can not find a recent interview of Michael Moore, his movie Sicko is becoming unavailable for download and rumor has it big pharma bought many of his movies to make them unavailable to the public. I have watched the movie but like to send a link to others that have not. I have tried emailing him, posting at his site.but that is refused….
    Has anyone here heard of the whereabouts of Michael Moore and if rumors are true?


  464. Zooey says:

    Or do you not know how to answer this and still support LIBTARD idiology?
    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:25 am

    YOUR comment is racist. I need go no further, dingleberry.


  465. scooter says:

    If you guys don’t want to answer the question because it conflicts with you LIBTARD standards then I’ll understand.

    Here are some options..

    1. ASIANS work hard as a culture.
    2. ASIANS as a RACE are PREDISPOSED GENETICALLY for it
    3. ASIANS are CUTE, and thus nobody wants to hate them

    Just some options,,,, think it over…


  466. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Has anyone here heard of the whereabouts of Michael Moore..

    Comment by had enough — September 3, 2007 @ 3:26 am
    ——–

    GITMO


  467. BORe Ink says:

    I dare say the ASIANS as a RACE have passed WHITEY..
    What do you think? Comment by scooter

    Post some facts, you haven’t posted anything yet to bolster your argument. Are you speaking of income, of intelligence or what?


  468. OCTAVIANVS says:

    Comment by Zooey — September 3, 2007 @ 3:28 am

    No, it isn’t. You talk about the “white man” all the time. Stop evading the question, Zooey.


  469. scooter says:

    Or do you not know how to answer this and still support LIBTARD idiology?
    Comment by scooter — September 3, 2007 @ 3:25 am

    YOUR comment is racist. I need go no further, dingleberry.

    Comment by Zooey

    sure zooey,,,, THEN RACE BASED PROGRAMS ARE RACIST. DUH


  470. shane says:

    scoots, you are one fat waste of time.


  471. scooter says:

    boring,,,

    YOU decide what we should base it on,,,, INCOME, EDUCATION, etc…

    Race based programs are based on the FACT that high %’s of BLACKS are left behind… income, education etc…


  472. BORe Ink says:

    The fact is scooter that 1 in 8 Americans live in poverty

    And sicne 2000 The number of children living in poverty has in-
    creased by 11 percent since 2000

    Meanwhile China has brought some 300 million put of poverty.


  473. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Shane,

    Maybe “scooter” should go back to writing books about bears having sex with young girls. He clearly has no talent for logical debate.


  474. scooter says:

    zoeey,,, wanted me to define PROGRESS in IRAQ earlier,,,

    I told him to define PROGRESS in NEW ORLEANS,,,
    The things he would come up with in NEW ORLEANS would most likely be the things to come up with in IRAQ…

    Simple right… wrong,,,, he went away (again)


  475. BORe Ink says:

    Race based programs are based on the FA