Wallace Brings Up Moyers Dispute, Refuses To Acknowledge His Own Inaccurate Reporting
Wallace Brings Up Moyers Dispute, Refuses To Acknowledge His Own Inaccurate Reporting
For the last several weeks, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace has attacked PBS’s Bill Moyers for criticizing Karl Rove for cynically invoking Christianity for political purposes while telling others that he is an agnostic. Moyers called Rove “a skeptic, a secular manipulator.”
On Aug. 19, Rove appeared on Wallace’s show and responded Moyers. “I’m a Christian. I go to church. I’m an Episcopalian,” responded Rove. “You know, Mr. Moyers ought to do a little bit better research before he does another drive-by slander.”
Then on Aug. 26, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace personally criticized Moyers, stating that he needs to learn “reporting 101“:
If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. … Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Yet as ThinkProgress pointed out yesterday, Moyers’s show did contact Rove — repeatedly — and never received a response. Rick Byrne, Director of Communications for Bill Moyers Journal wrote on Thursday:
For the record, Bill Moyers did ask Karl Rove to come on BILL MOYERS JOURNAL, by fax and by mail. These requests were made before Chris Wallace responded on-air on Fox News Sunday to Bill Moyers’ letter, and we still haven’t heard from Karl Rove.
Nevertheless, this morning on Fox News Sunday, Wallace once again brought up the Moyers dispute, but did not correct his false allegation. He read viewer mail — two supporting Wallace, one supporting Moyers — yet never acknowledged that the Bill Moyers Journal did attempt to contact Rove. Watch it:
Write to Wallace at fns@foxnews.com and ask him to publicly correct the record and admit his error. (Be polite.)
Transcript:
WALLACE: Time now for some mail on our back-and-forth with commentator Bill Moyers on the religious beliefs of White House aide Karl Rove.
Gary Patterson from Pittsburgh writes: “Bill Moyers is a liberal bully who uses his Public Television pulpit to slander many good people who do not bow down to the golden idol of liberal ideology.”
Larry Kump from Falling Waters, WV, adds: “Mr. Wallace was both crystal clear and absolutely correct when he called Bill Moyers to account for his slimy, self-serving rationalization of his blatantly false reporting on Karl Rove.”
But Hank Quine from Atlanta saw it differently: “You and Fox News are in now position to talk about facts when reporting, as you were created to push the President’s agenda; I am amazed at how threatened the Bush team must have felt when Bill Moyers spoke out.”
Be sure to let us know your thoughts by e-mailing us at fns@foxnews.com.
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September 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 am>Mr. Moyers ought to do a little bit
> better research before he does another
> drive-by slander.â€
Hahahaha. Just like Rove’s puppet better do a little research before
starting a war.
Or like Rove himself should do a little better research before he makes up stories about John McCains imaginary black babies. Or before he predicts the outcome of elections because he has “the maths” (which he probably received through a series of tubes some republicans know as the internets)
Hipocracy, part of the permanent platform of the modern republican party.
I truly thing these idiots are in such a tizzy now because they couldnt conceive they could possibly lose even one body of congress in 2006. Guess their friends at diebold need to learn how to cheat better…
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 amAnd when Wallace tried to get some answers from Rove himself 2 weeks ago,her is what he got:
WALLACE: Why did you push to fire some U.S Attorneys in the President’s second term?
ROVE: Nice try.
WALLACE: What do you think of Joe Wilson?
ROVE: I’m not going to comment.
Nice try.
WALLACE: When was the first time you told the President [ about leaking Palme's identity..]
ROVE: I’m not going to,..
Nice try
Of course , any show can pick up letters received in the mail to fit the message of the show and put them on the air. Plus regular watchers of Fox are in line with what Fox network put for them to see .
Nice try, Wallace in trying to smear B. Moyers…
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 amWell if we gotta be polite then I’m not writing him.
Theres nothing polite about telling lies.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:04 amWallace and the rest of the Neo– Fascists at FOX will squeal like pigs, and spin so fast, they’ll affect the earth’s rotation.
It is amazing that they have not been shamed into silence– constant propaganda that at its core is against the rule of law, democracy, the Constitution and American international and security interests.
Even Mussolini would winch at their brazen and shameful dishonesty and corruption.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:05 amEspecially when you know you’re lying.
Thats about as impolite of a think as I can think of.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:05 amFirst, secularism is not and never has been a religion. Second, being Episcopalian does not negate the idea that Rove has manipulated Christian believers for purely political gain. Third, does the Episcopalian Church really want Rove as a poster boy?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 am#5
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:12 am“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” –George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
“Be Polite”
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:12 amFu(k That!!!!
p.s.
The cross I died on was really just a rectal skewer that the Romans impaled me on in a vein attempt to get at my creamy carmel core of redemption.
Happy Sunday everyone. Don’t forget to make it to church and pray for me and Dumbya!
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 amWell, this site is hosing posts again today.
If Mr. Wallace really is a journalist, why did he ask Rove to name the churches he has attended for the last six years. It should be pretty easy to investigate and see if Rove truly is a member of any church and attends regularly.
All Chris Wallace seems to need is Rove’s word that he is a religious person. That does not make him a journalist, it makes him a Bush poodle.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 amWhy do Proglibs hate God?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 amE-mailing Wallace will do nothing. Fox News does not exist to report accurate news. No amount of criticism or shaming of them will work. Wallace is probably happy to create this controversy, hoping that liberals will tune in to increase Fox’s ratings. I refuse to acknowledge the existence of Wallace or Fox by e-mailing that dirtbag network. And even if Moyers asked Rove a direct question about his beliefs, his answer would not be reliable. Rove is a political strategist and his job is lying. Lying is the essence of what Rove does and it permeates his very soul. It’s like asking a used car salesman if he believes the car he is trying to sell you is good.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 amIf Karl Rove actually walked into a church, the foundation of the church would crumble, and the walls would be rent in twain.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 amThe priests eyes would start to bleed, and the cross would ignite into flames.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 amWhy do Proglibs hate God?
Comment by AVGVSTVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Gods ok.
Its that devil you serve that we’re none too fond of.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 amWhy do Proglibs hate God?
Comment by AVGVSTVS
When you use the word God, are you referring to Rove or Bush? It’s not clear.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 amJournalism 101
Did anyone actually follow-up on Rove’s claim that he actually goes to church. How often? When was the last time?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 am#12
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 amThe discussion here is not about God/Libs..and ‘family values’ preachers. !!
Did anyone actually follow-up on Rove’s claim that he actually goes to church. How often? When was the last time?
After intense research it turns out he belongs to Reverend Billy’s Church of Stop Shopping
http://www.revbilly.com/events/index.php
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 amWhy do Proglibs hate God?
Comment by AVGVSTVS — September 2, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Which one would that be again? The Matsyavataram form of Maha Vishnu is pretty cool.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 amKarl does have some good miracles though.
For instance, last time he went to the church picnic, he turned 12 firkins of wine into urine.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 amSee, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.†–George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
Comment by Bodhittsatva
That is probably the only true statement that George Bush has ever said and it is very telling as to who he is as a man.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 amMoyers is a hypocrit, slanderer, hack journalist.
His hypocrisy is blinding to all.
Hear no evil
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 amSee no evil
Speak no evil
The only way that statement would be true Billbo is if you replace the words “truth” with “lies”.
He keeps repeating the LIES over and over, for them to sink in.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 amMoyers is a hypocrit, slanderer, hack journalist.
His hypocrisy is blinding to all.
Hear no evil
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 amSee no evil
Speak no evil
ragardless of what Chris Wallace has done.
Why do Proglibs hate God?
Comment by AVGVSTVS
It is really amazing someone this fscking stupid can actually remember to breathe and stay alive.
Someone should lock you up for medical research, P-brain.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 amHear no evil
See no evil
Speak no evil
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Which one of the 3 little monkeys are you?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 amWhich airport restroom are you posting from today, Bob?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 amSee, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.†–George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
Comment by Bodhittsatva
Spoken like the true follower of Hitler and Goebbels that he is.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 amWhich one of the 3 little monkeys are you?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 2, 2007 @ 11:39 am
For a fairly learned individual I was startled to learn that those images have actual names. Other than Bob of course
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 amRove owns this Moyers hack.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 amNailed him with his shoddy faux news story.
Moyers gets the the facts like Dan “fake but accurate” Rather, fallen & washed up, no credibililty, agenda driven, CBS news anchor.
Which airport restroom are you posting from today, Bob?
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver
Bob is trolling for love in all the wrong places
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 amRove owns this Moyers hack.
.
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Rove doesn’t even own his own soul.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 am#33 Dermot
Good sense of humor, you made me laugh.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 am#35
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 amT’anks
Truth is hard to see for most libs because its adjustable:)
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 amTruth is hard to see for most libs because its adjustable:)
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007 @ 11:46 am
And its the republicans doing the adjusting.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 amHeyOOOOOoooOOoOO! Bob!
Good Morning!
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 am>Dan “fake but accurate†Rather,
is he the one that quoted those forged Niger uranium documents?
oh no wait, that was Dick “fake and totally and completely innacurate and unable to remember what I believed 10 years ago” Cheney
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 amHeyOOOOooooOOOO AVGVSTVS.
Blow me.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amBob’s forced to resort to weak metaphor about seeing the truth
Isn’t able to attack Moyers with specifics so switches to Rather who no one cares about
The metaphor is ’seeing the light’ Bob, something you need to do quickly.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amThe Republican are trying to hold tight on ‘family values’ slogans before they lose the issue,after being exposed,because if they lose the family values issues they are selling now to their audience…they don’t have much to run on.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amFamily values is the ‘bread & butter’ of the GOP party.
Truth is hard to see for most libs because its adjustable:)
Comment by Bob
Truth is truth and is not adjustable. When you adjust the truth it becomes an untruth, a lie.
That you do not understand this gives us insight into why you post so many lies.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amMaybe Bob is Chris W
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 amTruth is hard to see for most libs because its adjustable:)
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007 @ 11:46 am
What kind of “truth” are you discussing as “Truth” is pretty unknowable and those whom claim to rarely do
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 am> HeyOOOOOoooOOoOO! Bob!
Mr. P, if you use a brick to let yourself into the classroom at your junior college on labor day, maybe “bob” will compliment you on your exemplary attendance. How is your “teaching iraqis not to kill in the name of Allah 101″
course going?
hahahahahha. stupidest idea. ever.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:52 amHeyOOOOOoooOOoOO! Bob!
Good Morning!
Comment by AVGVSTVS
Does Mr. P also kiss his tube sockpuppets after making them give him an imaginary blowjob?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 amHack my red, white and blue A$$:
The Secret Government
http://youtube.com/watch?v=82g3KxcFuoY
Watch, learn and listen, Wingtards.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 amMaybe Bob is Chris W
Comment by Dermot
Bob is one of Mr. Pee’s many sockpuppets.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 am…program begins at the 4:50 mark…
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 amLet’s assume arguendo that Rove is an atheist. Does anyone think he would admit to that even if asked about it point-blank, considering the fact that he was required to push faith-based initiatives while working for Bush and tried to whip up support for Bush among the religious right? It would be admitting his hypocrisy. A better source on his religiosity than Rove himself would be a percipient witness, David Kuo who worked with him. Kuo served for several years under George Bush and was the Director of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives in the White House. His book “Tempting Faith” quotes Rove as calling the members of the religious right as “the nuts”.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 amBob,
Check out the new posts!
http://djkonservo.wordpress.com/
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 amI brought this up yesterday but never got an answer. I don’t think Moyers did ask Rove for input before airing his piece. In that way, Wallace is right and his criticism is accurate.
Why would they do that – not ask Rove to participate or offer a chance for rebuttal?
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 am>Does Mr. P also kiss his tube sockpuppets
> after making them give him an
> imaginary blowjob?
I dont know, but when it comes to his “poo party puppets”, its
strictly “dont ask, dont tell”.
Him and Mighty Afromite should hook up, so they could both have sex with someone other than themselves. Their kids woudnt win any beatuy awards, even in the “Miss Abortion USA” contest, but at least they’d be less angry and have less time on thier hands to post syphillitic verbal spasms and other digital diareha on the internets.
That is, assumng they are actually 2 different people..
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 amcause Rove’s a big enough butt without the “rebutt”
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:01 pmhttp://djkonservo.wordpress.com/
Comment by AVGVSTVS
I wonder how many hits it would take to invoke a “denial of service” on your piss-ant server/plan?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm> http://djkonservo.wordless.com/
>Check out the new posts!
Seeing as “bob” wrote them, I imagine “bob” has already read them.
Wern’t you calling for Maliki’s outster a few weeks ago on this newsgroup?
So now why are you quoting him as evidence of some assan1ne point your trying to make?
He was also saying that if americans like you didnt suport him, he’d “find friends elsewhere”….i.e. Iran and Syria. Do you think hes equally on the ball about that statement as the one your quoting from him?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:05 pmComment by AVGVSTVS
wow.
you cut and paste quotes from TP.
then write a Retarded Right wing post-
all with no trackbacks, links, or factual back up.
nice.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmmmmmmm..
all hail Chocolate Messiah!!!!
over-licious……
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:08 pmComment by whiteyfresh — September 2, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
There are links.
You need to click where I say something like “at this left-wing jihadist site” or something else along those lines.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:10 pm> your piss-ant server/plan?
You think he can afford his own URL? hahahahah. Does he act like someone that has 9.95 to give godaddy.com every year? Hahahah.
Hes got a sub-URl of a larger free site, your not going to crash him. Just quote him as saying: http://djkonservo.wordless.com/ so they will see his site is nothing but a blank page and lose what little bit of morbid curiosity they had.////
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:10 pm…
here it comes, folks…
Test Marketing
If there were a threat level on the possibility of war with Iran, it might have just gone up to orange. Barnett Rubin, the highly respected Afghanistan expert at New York University, has written an account of a conversation with a friend who has connections to someone at a neoconservative institution in Washington. Rubin can’t confirm his friend’s story; neither can I. But it’s worth a heads-up:
[...]
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:13 pmhttp://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker
.
Chris Wallace,
Chris: “If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. … Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.”
Wow, this is some sharp language, seemingly some really tough talk coming from such a weenie like yourself. But alas, in true republicon fashion, you make your criticism apply more to yourself than anyone you are trying to slander.
Bill Moyers Journal: “For the record, Bill Moyers did ask Karl Rove to come on BILL MOYERS JOURNAL, by fax and by mail. These requests were made before Chris Wallace responded on-air on Fox News Sunday to Bill Moyers’ letter, and we still haven’t heard from Karl Rove.”
So Chris I have some words for you. If you want to find out about someone’s journalism, a good first step might be to ask him. … Of course, you never called Moyers. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a hack journalist flim-flamming the general public. I guess, Chris, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Classic Fox Enquirer Channel hackery. You are exactly the hypocrite that you espouse against, while the target of your assaults and attacks, based on the standard articulated by you, yourself, ‘to ask the person’, is completely innocent. Good to see you carrying the torch for the republicon con machine, following in the footsteps of great republicon rabid hypocrits like Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramhoff, Alberto Gonzalez, most recently Larry Craig…, should I go on? Because I certainly could. Here’s to you keeping with the republicon brand like a true hypocrit soldier, lock step.
I commend you for your upright commitment to furthering Fox Enquirer’s clear goal of leaving the public as idiotically ignorant and misinformed as propagandically possible. You are certainly keeping in tradition with the Opinion Channel’s purpose such as that outlined below, and here.
The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a thorough study of public knowledge and attitudes about current events and the war on terrorism. Researchers found that the public’s mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.
Overall, 80 percent of those who relied on Fox News as their primary news source believed at least one of the three misperceptions. Viewers/listeners/readers of other news outlets didn’t even come close to this total.
In other words, Fox News viewers are literally less informed about these basic facts. They have, put simply, been led to believe things that are simply not true. These poor dupes would have done better in this survey, statistically speaking, if they received no news at all and simply guessed whether the claims were accurate.
So in summary, Chris Wallace, fuk you. Fuk you for hypocritical, insincere accusations of lack of journalistic integrity, while you, yourself, display inverted or ‘negative’ integrity. What I see when watching you on the Bloviating Opinion Channel is a hack of an individual and a shell of a man. I do hate to get personal, but after watching you for years and your setting the stakes so high, you leave another with no option but to call a spade a spade. Of course, the same goes for the rest of your Opinion Channel, feel free to pass it on.
Sincerely,
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:17 pm_____
>all hail Chocolate Messiah!!!!
thanks! its a rare honor to receive compliments from someone who isnt myself.
but seriously, I couldnt do it all myself.. I’d like to thank Tom Delay, whose been like a brother to me. Those filthy dope smoking islamofascists hippies
even had the gaul to crucify him on the same cross of election felonies they nailed me to!!!
If you excuse me, its sunday, so I have to manifest myself to a fat lady baking a loaf of bread in mexico, and then perform a miraculous “hexagonal tendril genital massage miracle” on Betazoid 6….
What? You didnt think I was just the Jesus of the Earth, did you?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm> You need to click where I say something
> like “at this left-wing jihadist site†or something
> else along those lines.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/02/wallace-moyers-mail/#comment-4053418
Mr. Pee, all your free-base belong to us.
Why arent you at church?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmAmanda’s got her nappies in a twist over precisely nothing. Wallace was right about Moyers not trying to contact Rove over religious info, he was inviting Rove onto his left-wing mosh-pit rave on PBS. No respectable human being, which Rove is, would go on Moyer’s agitprop group-hate program.
Moyers is a drunk, a liar, a cheat & generally not credible. He went over the top and around the bend two decades ago & the last good journalism he ever did was with Joseph Campbell.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pm>Moyers is a drunk, a liar, a cheat & generally not credible.
Much different than Chalabi, the convicted fraudster who brought us “curveball, the iraqi informant”, and also credible
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 pmpeople who make statements like “we know where the weapons are”
“we know without a doubt that saddam has wmd ” and “we know saddam is developing nuclear weapons,” right?
> http://djkonservo.wordless.com/
>Check out the new posts!
Seeing as “bob†wrote them, I imagine “bob†has already read them.
Wern’t you calling for Maliki’s outster a few weeks ago on this newsgroup?
So now why are you quoting him as evidence of some assan1ne point your trying to make?
He was also saying that if americans like you didnt suport him, he’d “find friends elsewhereâ€â€¦.i.e. Iran and Syria. Do you think hes equally on the ball about that statement as the one your quoting from him?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 pmChocolate Messiah Overlord-heading anywhere near Betazed?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhy DIDN’T Moyers seek Rove’s input before airing his show?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:32 pm>Why DIDN’T Moyers seek Rove’s input before airing his show?
Gee I dont know, why didnt Rove seek the input of any of the countless people hes slandered visciously throughout the years.
One of Rove’s top leutinants wrote a book where he said Karl called the religious activists “the nuts”… so the question is, is rove a liar, or does he just surround himself with liars? Snow was insisting Rove had nothing to do with the blame outing? EIther Rove i liar who says whats politically convenient in public, or the people around him are liars?
which is it? or is it both?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 pm>Moyers is a drunk, a liar, a cheat & generally not credible.
Not credible.. like the other peopel I mentioned, right dave?
plus, nobody is going to war over things bill moyers said.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:42 pmWhat’s your point, Chocolate? We all know Rove is bad. If Bill does that same thing as Rove, wouldn’t that make him bad too?
If Bill Moyers produced a piece on Rove without inviting his input or allowing him to defend himself, I think that is bad… you don’t agree?
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:45 pm>Chocolate Messiah Overlord-heading anywhere near Betazed?
After I fix my cofee and take a few bonghits. F#ck yeah, the chronic is the only thing those d@mn hippies and my @sshole father got right.
Man made valium, G0d made weed, who do you trust more?
If you’re going to keep giving me attention I’m afraid I’m going to have to ask you to spawn another internet identity before doing so, so people won’t think I’m you and they’ll realize that you are you and not someone whose pretending not to be me.
THank you.. all aboard.. I see no trolls want to play with me…
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmI call the blessed ganja “God’s Mistake” as there is NO other rationalization for people (see-Right wing R-tards)to be against such a wonderful, NATURAL thing as the marahoochie, unless they can openly admit they feel GOD MADE A MISTAKE, since it(cheeba) has been around for a very,VERY long time.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pm>What’s your point, Chocolate?
the point is that ROve and his buttmasters have no place to be criticizing anyone for not sourcing, for not confirming, for not even attempting to be accurate. They are straussians which basically blatantly admit to the idea of “noble lies”
> We all know Rove is bad.
do we? if so, then my job as Jesus is done and we can all come home.
> If Bill does that same thing as Rove, wouldn’t that make him bad too?
no, because as I said, nobody went to war based on what Bill said. Nothing Bill says is going to ruin anyone’s political career like rove has done to so many. Also, Bill has actual, like, sources to substantiate what he said about rove: that guy …Hitchens I think, that said KArl told him, “I’m not fortunate enough to be a man of faith”, then theres karls old leutinant, who said in his book that Karl called the religious activists “the nuts”.. calling religous people “the nuts” doesnt sound like something a man of faith would say.
Of course, maybe all these people are lying and Karl actually isnt the lying manipulative scumbag you already admitted he was…
>If Bill Moyers produced a piece on Rove without inviting his input or >allowing him to defend himself, I think that is bad… you don’t agree?
Dude.. even on Fox, about as friendly a show as Rove could get, any time he was asked a question whose answer could create political embarassment, it was “nice try”… are we really going to beleive that a guy who has said he will only testify as long as he doesnt have to swear to tell the truth or have a transcript made, is going to get on the public airwaves and come out and tell the drooling masses who have been following his monkey that hes really an atheist who doesnt beleive all this garbage and biblethumping talking points hes been spewing? Come on…
Theres much much more evidence Rove is an atheist than there is that Saddam had WMD or was allied with Al-Queda.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmPhaedrus – for what it’s worth, if the statement by Rick Byrne, director of communications for Bill Moyers Journal, is true, then their attempt to communicate with Karl Rove, by fax and mail, to invite him to be on the show means that they did seek his input before airing the show. Rove never responded.
September 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmIf Bill Moyers produced a piece on Rove without inviting his input or allowing him to defend himself, I think that is bad… you don’t agree?
Comment by Phaedrus — September 2, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Rove was completely unresponsive to Moyers’ requests. Does this mean that Moyers is never allowed to say anything about Rove? Wouldn’t that be a convenient thing for politicians. “Erm, you can’t write about me, you can’t even report things I’ve said in the past because you didn’t get a current response from me. Nyah nyah.”
Journalism 101? Or Logic 101?
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm>I call the blessed ganja “God’s Mistake†as
> there is NO other rationalization for people
>(see-Right wing R-tards)to be against such
> a wonderful, NATURAL thing as the marahoochie,
Right, thats a darn good point, Someone Other Than Whiteflesh and Also Not Me, I hadnt thought of that.
I guess nakedness must be “gods other mistake”, as would explain all of dad’s groupies having such an aversion to strippers. Either that, or it reminds them of how not attracted to women they are… Speaking of strippers, I have this story about a retired strippers daughter, my girlfriend, and an ounce of smokin arizona grass that I would like to…oh, nevermind, its sunday, and I wouldn’t want to ruin someone idealistic vision of me.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pm#
Phaedrus – for what it’s worth, if the statement by Rick Byrne, director of communications for Bill Moyers Journal, is true, then their attempt to communicate with Karl Rove, by fax and mail, to invite him to be on the show means that they did seek his input before airing the show. Rove never responded.
Comment by GeorgiaDem — September 2, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Since when is attacking a person’s personal religious beliefs and participation “journalism?’
Rove was completely unresponsive to Moyers’ requests. Does this mean that Moyers is never allowed to say anything about Rove? Wouldn’t that be a convenient thing for politicians. “Erm, you can’t write about me, you can’t even report things I’ve said in the past because you didn’t get a current response from me. Nyah nyah.â€
Journalism 101? Or Logic 101?
What did Rove say about religion? Same question as to Georgia Dem. Moyers is simply not a journalist, and I resent my tax dollars underwriting a convicted DWI fraud and impostor has-been posing as a “journalist” spouting hatred against the present administration.
Again, what does Karl Rove attendance at Church on Sunday have to do with defrocked preacher—I assume Moyers is now a pagan cultist—attacking KR’s personal beliefs?
Cheap shots and small-caliber guttersniping are all that PBS agit-preppies have left in their bag of dirty tricks.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:17 pmHeyOOOOOoooOOoOO! Bob!
Good Morning!
Comment by AVGVSTVS
Ah, the mating call of the Trollus Dipsh¡tus!
My fellow TPers, observe this ritual dance, although it’s not rare and occurs all to often.
The Trollus is not rare either, and it’s suspected that it came from another planet. However, it currently originates from it’s mother’s basement, and subsists on a simple minded diet of Cheetos’ and Kool Aid.
The Trollus are usually male and have no visible sexual organs, though they do reproduce.
After this mating call and ritual dance is complete, the participants usually engage in mutual or self gratification.

September 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 pmWhy DIDN’T Moyers seek Rove’s input before airing his show?
Comment by Phallicus — September 2, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
He did you moron.
Can’t you read?
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmMoyers is simply not a journalist, and I resent my tax dollars underwriting a convicted DWI fraud and impostor has-been posing as a “journalist†spouting hatred against the present administration.
1. Moyers IS a JOURNALIST. For 50 YEARS. The Fox “news” people are PROPAGANDISTS…
2. Bush is simply not an AMERICAN, and I resent my tax dollars underwriting a convicted DWI fraud and impostor has-been posing as a “president†spouting hatred and LIES and KILLING in the name of God.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:32 pmAnd pardoning TRAITORS like Libby and keeping TRAITORS like Rove from testifying UNDER OATH to SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I resent my tax dollars underwriting a convicted DWI fraud and impostor has-been posing as a “journalist†spouting hatred against the present administration.
Comment by daveincoca — September 2, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
So you resent Moyers for criticizing the administration because of a DUI, even though Bush was also convicted for driving under the influence. Bush was arrested and plead guilty on Sept 4, 1976 for driving under the influence, and Dickhead Cheney was arrested not once, but TWICE for DUI.
Are we to assume you’re just another inbred hypocrite?
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:39 pmMoyers is a real journalist and because a real journalist dared to question their almighty FUHRER, the little boot licking nazi slugs that haunt this and other blogs, have made Moyers wikipedia entry a massive multi-page fiasco.
They keep editing it with Anti Moyer rhetoric, and posting lies and smears.
It shows one thing.
These little punks are afraid of him.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:41 pmIf this was pre-war Germany, the trolls who haunt this blog and others, would be wearing brownshirts and armbands and kicking Jews in the head with their jackboots.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:45 pmFortunatley however its not, and these little wimps know if they get too far out of line we’ll beat their assess and send them back to Alabama where they belong.
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm>Again, what does Karl Rove attendance at Church on Sunday have to do >with defrocked preacher—I assume Moyers is now a pagan cultist—>attacking KR’s personal beliefs?
the more accurate way to phrase what your asking, is:
How is Karl Rove’s church attendance relevant to someone’s claims hes an atheist?
gosh..uhhhmmm
Moyers is some godless pagan right? Then why do you beleive he would perceive him making a claim that someone is an atheist as an “attack on that person’s personal beleifs”?
>and I resent my tax dollars
> underwriting a convicted
> DWI fraud and impostor
and I resent my tax dollars being used to underwrite a convicted embezzler spoonfeeding fake intelligence about WMD to people who were fixing facts around the policy
and I further resent my tax dollars being used to bomb children based on that fraudlent intelligence.
so what?
nobody gives a flying f#ck what you resent, Mr. P-ego # 25. I now see why you have so many identities, its so when one of your identities makes such moronic arguments hes trapped in a logical box, you can still keep arguing..
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:48 pm>Ah, the mating call of the Trollus Dipsh1tus!
Fortunately for your assertion, the Department of Defense has just changed the definition of “mating” to include “a lonely sunday morning with a jar of vaseline and a crusty Penthouse”, so you are, techincally, correct…
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:54 pmMr. P’s “surge” is working…
this thread subject was lame and trivial anyway, so I feel no guilt for taking it to Betazoid 6 with me.. if you’re going to beat on trolls, best to do it on threads like this…
September 2nd, 2007 at 1:59 pmdaveinboca – you must be one very angry man. I made absolutely no political comments whatsoever. All I did was point out that Phaedrus apparently mis-read the article. I wouldn’t be so quick to complain about cheap shots if I were you.
September 2nd, 2007 at 2:33 pm—-
Then on Aug. 26, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace personally criticized Moyers, stating that he needs to learn “reporting 101“:
“If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. … Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.”
Yet as ThinkProgress pointed out yesterday, Moyers’s show did contact Rove — repeatedly — and never received a response.
—-
Poor poor Chris Wallace. He put his foot firmly into his own mouth. Chris, now when did you call Bill Moyers to get the facts about whether or not he contacted Rove? C’mon man, that’s right out of Reporting 101.
Didn’t want to get in the way of a tasty story line about a so-called journalist flimflamming his audience. Oh wait, now I get it. Rather than being a reporter, you’re more of a “journalistic” performance artist. Very clever indeed! What will Fox Snooze think up next to achieve entertainment value and ratings? I wonder.
- Tom
September 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pmSeptember 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pm
All I did was point out that Phaedrus apparently mis-read the article. I wouldn’t be so quick to complain about cheap shots if I were you.
Comment by GeorgiaDem — September 2, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Phaedrus didn’t “mis-read” the article.
He misquoted it.
The reason the republicans get away with so much misinformation and out and out lies, is because there are so many dems like you, who want to play “nice guy”, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
So everytime there is a debate, they simply employ the same old time proven tactics, because they know the dems are going to fall for it.
September 2nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmJesus said be as harmless as a dove. But he didn’t say be as dumb as one.
September 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 pmHi Bartlebee, nice to see you handling the trash.
Look at this.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:01 pmBartlebee, let me try again.
look
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmTry again, shane. Third time’s the charm. ;)
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmBARTLEBEE – you don’t know anything about me. Don’t assume I play nice and don’t assume that I ever give republicans the benefit of the doubt.
I did appreciate your distinction between mis-read and misquote, although misquote does not really apply here. Perhaps mis-represent?
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmTry again, shane. Third time’s the charm. ;)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 2, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
Very funny Mr. Monkey, sir. Apparently I’m a failure, (quietly sobbing now).
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmHere’s the piece :
For the record, Bill Moyers did ask Karl Rove to come on BILL MOYERS JOURNAL, by fax and by mail. These requests were made before Chris Wallace responded on-air on Fox News Sunday to Bill Moyers’ letter, and we still haven’t heard from Karl Rove.
Can we all agree that it does NOT say that Moyers’ asked for Rove’s input before they aired the piece?
I hope so. Now, I’ve said before that I’m no journalist, but it would seem simple fairness to contact someone if you’re doing a story on them (yes, even if they are a liar, yes, even if they don’t give other people the same consideration – we’re the good guys, remember?).
So, looks like Moyers screwed up to me.
PS If I’m right, you have to take back all that nasty stuff you said about me… if I’m wrong, I’m willing to be educated, but show me something that says that Moyers contacted Rove before the show.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmshane sez:
Aww, shane, don’t take it that way…I didn’t mean to upset you.
The following is the syntax for posting links (example is thinkprogress.com):
<A HREF=”http://thinkprogress.com”>Think Progress</A>
Enter that string into the window, and you’ll get this:
Think Progress
Hope that helps.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:17 pmHeyoooOOOOOoooOoOOoO! AVGVSTVS
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:29 pmTaking libtards on so early heh:)
Cheney and bush our dictatorial leaders , do and say anything they wish , using their right arm FOX (?NEWS? or CIRCUS?) to spread their policies with deceit and propaganda to spread their hate in calling American’s names , terrorist , and even spreading hate threats againt those that dissagree and condemn the illegal and lawbreaking of this adminsitration.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:31 pmWhat is really sad and frightening is now Fox has brought the WSJ and are now a Global Corporation (??news??) spreading propaganda machine for the Cheney , Bush and the Global Corporate’s takeout of our nation and in their conquest of the WORLD.
China , Russia and the rest of the world are starting to unit against Bush’s aggressive takeout of countries in their conquest. These are very sad and dangerous times for our country and the world , when we have a (illegal person’s’
in charge of our country) that decides he or they are the only deciders’ and does as he d… well pleases..
Mr Moyers your underwear (bias/agenda) is showing.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:32 pmMr Moyers your underwear (bias/agenda) is showing.
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007
Mssrs. Rove and Wallace,
You spout NO TRUTH, only PROPAGANDA for LIARS and TRAITORS like Bush.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhy does anyone believe that reporting of facts to republicans about the truth and policies of this administraton will do any good. Their eyes and ears are only open to the propaganda of Fox “news???” , Rush the pill-popper and the republican’s propaganda machines.
September 2nd, 2007 at 3:56 pmThey have to see the deceit & corruption coming from Cheney , Bush and the republican administration on a daily basis but , like Cheney and Bush will never say it but wage a full out attack on the persons reporting it to blame them for this administration’s corruption.
We now know that there is nothing to low for the republicans to do in their conquest of United States and the resources of the world.
Treason , vote fraud , spying using data mining on Americans are just some of the methods that has been proven this administraion will use for their power , wealth and control.
If Cheney (Bush) thought his policies and acitons were lawful and in good standings for American and the world , he would not be suppressing and censoring the reporting of it from Americans’ and every where else in the world where he can use our tax dollars to.
We now know that there is nothing to low for the republicans to do in their conquest of United States and the resources of the world.
Treason , vote fraud , spying using data mining on Americans are just some of the methods that has been proven this administraion will use for their power , wealth and control.
If Cheney (Bush) thought his policies and acitons were lawful and in good standings for American and the world , he would not be suppressing and censoring the reporting of it from Americans’ and every where else in the world where he can use our tax dollars to.
Comment by BushSunkOurShip
Absolutely TRUE and CORRECT.
The right-wingers HAVE to suppress the TRUTH with PROPAGANDA, since the TRUTH exposes the Bush WAR CRIMINALS’ and their TREASON.
September 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 pmMr Moyers your underwear (bias/agenda) is showing.
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007
Mssrs. Rove and Wallace,
You spout NO TRUTH, only PROPAGANDA for LIARS and TRAITORS like Bush.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
September 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pm—————————————————–
My Moyers caught with his pants down again.
My Moyers come out of the closet you libtard. Be free !
Mr Moyers caught with his pants down again.
September 2nd, 2007 at 4:13 pmMr Moyers come out of the closet you libtard. Be free !
The people who post about Moyers’ credentials and say he is a “fraud” are simply PROPAGANDISTS like Rove and Wallace and Fox “news”.
ALL PROPAGANDA, ALL THE TIME.
And ALL the TREASON of ILLEGAL WARS OF AGGRESSION, and exposing of CIA WMD spies, thus SABOTAGING OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.
Bush, Rove, Cheney, Libby, etc. need to be tried for WAR CRIMES, and when CONVICTED, sent to jail for the rest of their TREASONOUS lives.
September 2nd, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by Bob
So this is where you crawled off to, after getting red-assed on the Couric thread. What a joke you are.
September 2nd, 2007 at 4:24 pmFOX News lies. Big surprise.
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:23 pm.
For the record, Bill Moyers did ask Karl Rove to come on BILL MOYERS JOURNAL, by fax and by mail. These requests were made before Chris Wallace responded on-air on Fox News Sunday to Bill Moyers’ letter, and we still haven’t heard from Karl Rove.
Can we all agree that it does NOT say that Moyers’ asked for Rove’s input before they aired the piece?
I hope so. Now, I’ve said before that I’m no journalist, but it would seem simple fairness to contact someone if you’re doing a story on them (yes, even if they are a liar, yes, even if they don’t give other people the same consideration – we’re the good guys, remember?).
So, looks like Moyers screwed up to me.
PS If I’m right, you have to take back all that nasty stuff you said about me… if I’m wrong, I’m willing to be educated, but show me something that says that Moyers contacted Rove before the show.
Comment by Phaedrus — September 2, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Um, no, Phaedrus, we CAN’T agree. There’s nothing in that first paragraph that PROVES that Rove wasn’t invited before the piece aired. The ONLY thing the first paragraph clearly states is that Rove was asked to appear (or comment) before Wallace’s criticism aired. (The timeframe involved, perhaps, could have been more clearly stated–as in, “Mr Moyers asked for Rove to appear or comment before the piece aired but we erred in not noting that during the show.”)
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:31 pmHOWEVER, that STILL doesn’t absolve Wallace’s own lack of “reporting 101″ in failing to contact Bill Moyers DIRECTLY and asking HIM some questions. Or is this just another case of Chris Wallace adhering to the old “Do as I say, not as I do” principle?
why the hell does thinkprogress give fox any credence at all? everyone knows they’re liars with hardly any watchers. ignore them and eventually they’ll go away.
Is there something else to why I’m always forced to look at these people on liberal sites? Do you need a bad guy? We need more info on the green movement. anyone notice how Europe is lapping us on our inability to get off oil?
cmon.. make the switch. I’m swick of my liberal comrades always whining about the right. the right isn’t always wrong just like how we’re not always right. like the immigrant issue. Even Mike Gravel whos a radical liberal said the immigration problem is serious yet you guys never mention the problems.
seriously..
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:36 pmAll good points, JosephW, but not the one’s I’m making. I haven’t excused Wallace for anything, but I’m questioning Moyers’ methods.
I never said anything about proving Rove wasn’t asked before the piece aired, I simply said that the statements made by Moyers’ rep doesn’t say that they did.
Now, everyone take a breath, and read carefully what is really being said. I take issue with the idea that Moyers’ rep’s statement defends Moyers’ behavior (as Amanda’s headline says). It doesn’t – the statement does not say that Rove was asked before the piece aired. Now, Joseph, you say that you can’t agree with that, but then you seem to, so I’m a little confused.
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:46 pmI take issue with the idea that Moyers’ rep’s statement defends Moyers’ behavior (as Amanda’s headline says). It doesn’t – the statement does not say that Rove was asked before the piece aired. Now, Joseph, you say that you can’t agree with that, but then you seem to, so I’m a little confused.
Comment by Phaedrus
So YOU take issue and don’t believe it.
That is your RIGHT.
Most here and most in the WORLD know that Rove and Fox equal PROPAGANDA.
Moyers is an AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST.
Wallace is NOTHING of the kind.
Rove=Lee Atwater DIRTY TRICK PROGAGANDA.
Atwater REPENTED before he died and asked Rove to do the SAME.
Rove did NOT, and became the PROPAGANDA MASTER for Bush…
Sorry, I believe Moyers before these PROVEN LIARS.
You have the RIGHT to believe what you want.
Good luck with that…
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:55 pmNow, everyone take a breath, and read carefully what is really being said. I take issue with the idea that Moyers’ rep’s statement defends Moyers’ behavior (as Amanda’s headline says). It doesn’t – the statement does not say that Rove was asked before the piece aired. Now, Joseph, you say that you can’t agree with that, but then you seem to, so I’m a little confused.
Comment by Phaedrus — September 2, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
bob and weave, spin and turn, do the Tony Snow lie dance, sail up denial, do whatever you can, fingers in your ears “lalalalala”, Phaedrus, just whatever you do, don’t believe that Moyers, one of the most respected and trusted journalists in the western world, tried to get a response from Rove before the piece aired, because, as we all know, Moyers is always distorting views, famous for sleazy hit pieces, and is a bad jouralist.
Or, you are a fool and a rightwing tool.
o wonder.
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:22 pmEven Mike Gravel whos a radical liberal said the immigration problem is serious yet you guys never mention the problems.
seriously..
Comment by old hack — September 2, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
who’s Mike Gravel? And if the immigration problem is so serious, why are the solutions proposed so utterly laughable and ridiculous? And, as is with Iraq, if the immigration problem is so serious, why aren’t the people responsible for the problem being targeted for prosecution, fines and jail? You know, the owners, the employers. Just like the losing war in iraq, the people screaming the loudest about the left demoralizing the troops are the same ones that won’t enlist to help the cause. I’m sorry, but the right is never right except by fluke, and even then the only solutions they have are to figure out ways to steal more money by taking advantage of the situation. these are not our political opposition any more, they are the enemies of freedom here at home. Wake up, old hack.
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:27 pmis this all that wallace has to report on??? – is he that desperate for material or is this the only issue of importance in his world – get over it!!! – who gives a s**t what rove said about his religious leanings….who gives a s**t about rove,period!!!
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:38 pmMoyers’s response doesn’t rebut the charges. There’s a difference between asking someone a question and inviting that person on the show.
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:40 pmBill Moyers flagrantly indulges in the same conflicts of interest, Washington logrolling, and mutual back-scratching that he finds deeply objectionable in, well, everyone other than Bill Moyers. There were piles of documents–from IRS filings to internal records from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting–that supported this conclusion.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/749qcwsk.asp
yeah, another rich limousine liberal, pontificating to the unwashed …all the way to the bank
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:47 pmMoyers’s response doesn’t rebut the charges. There’s a difference between asking someone a question and inviting that person on the show.
Comment by jpe
Again, your RIGHT to believe what you believe is NOT in doubt…
However, MY right, and that of most of the world, to believe Rove and Wallace are propagandists is ALSO not in doubt.
Good luck with your point of view…
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:50 pmBill Moyers flagrantly indulges in the same conflicts of interest, Washington logrolling, and mutual back-scratching that he finds deeply objectionable in, well, everyone other than Bill Moyers. There were piles of documents–from IRS filings to internal records from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting–that supported this conclusion.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/ Content/ Public/ Articles/ 000/ 000/ 002/ 749qcwsk.asp
yeah, another rich limousine liberal, pontificating to the unwashed …all the way to the bank
Comment by jazzist — September 2, 2007
The WEEKLY STANDARD?? Owned by Rupert Murdoch the PROPAGANDIST??
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Next!!!
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:51 pmTrace Soros’ money sometime.
[I think he believes that if he put most text in bold font font, no one will notice his lack of pretty much everything]
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmTrace Soros’ money sometime.
[I think he believes that if he put most text in bold font font, no one will notice his lack of pretty much everything]
Comment by jazzist
And YOU track MURDOCH’S money sometime.
Soros lived in Hungary under Nazi occupation and PROPAGANDA, and he KNOWS Nazis like Bush and the PNAC and PROPAGANDA like Murdoch and his yellow journalism.
Next!!!
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:17 pmMurdoch ADMITTED in the beginning of this year that Fox presented the news to sway public opinion on Bush’s ILLEGAL WAR of AGGRESSION.
That’s NOT “news”.
THAT is the very DEFINITION and ESSENCE of PROPAGANDA!!
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:24 pmArn, it is not a matter of what I believe, it’s what do people’s statements support. Wallace said Moyer’s didn’t talk to Rove, that was rebutted by Moyer’s saying that we tried but Rove doesn’t answer. Now, it makes a small bit of difference when they tried. I’m saying that if they tried AFTER they aired the piece, then that is unfair to Rove and Moyers aught to be chided.
Am I not making myself clear here? I seem to say the same thing over and over…
Someone show me where Moyer’s people (or anyone who would know) say Rove was asked for input before the piece was aired and I’ll shut up.
September 2nd, 2007 at 8:31 pm“yeah, another rich limousine liberal, pontificating to the unwashed …all the way to the bank”
Comment by jazzist — September 2, 2007
And another wingnut who provides a non-functional link, and proceeds to pontificate on the basis of his non-functional link, with no evidence. Next time you want to lecture us, it would be more effective if your link actually worked.
Geeze, guy; posting a link (and then checking to see if it works) isn’t brain surgery.
September 2nd, 2007 at 9:06 pmSomeone show me where Moyer’s people (or anyone who would know) say Rove was asked for input before the piece was aired and I’ll shut up.
Comment by Phaedrus — September 2, 2007
Show me that they DIDN’T, like a statement from Rove saying that he WASN’T.
I have no obligation to show you ANYTHING.
If you have the aptitude to be on the web, you can do your OWN research.
But in the meantime, you have YOUR point of view
(along with the 28% Bush followers, your RIGHT),
and I have MY point of view
(along with the other 72% AND the rest of the WORLD).
Moyers is an internationally acclaimed and awarded JOURNALIST.
Chris Wallace, Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch, Fox “news”, The Weekly Standard, NY Post, etc., are the PROPAGANDA MASTERS.
I believe Moyers.
Time will tell who is correct.
In the meantime, Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL and a TRAITOR to the USA.
As is Rove.
Good luck with your OPINION…
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmHmmm, it worked when I posted it, doesn’t now. If you care to google
“PBS’s Pontifcator” it will be at the top. You can link to “PBS’s Televanglist” thru that article.
excerpt:
Is Moyers clueless about who receives the millions of dollars his foundation dispenses in grant money? A review of his PBS program since that statement shows that Moyers regularly interviews or cites research from his grant recipients but rarely acknowledges a financial relationship. Here is a partial list of the groups Moyers has funded and featured on his show without disclosure. (The dollar amount represents the total given from 1991, his first year as president of the Schumann Foundation, to 2001, as well as grants from the affiliated Florence Fund.)
Annenberg School of Communication–$100,000
Aspen Institute–$218,000
Brennan Center for Justice, NYU–$425,000
Center for Investigative Reporting–$803,000
Democracy 21–$200,000
Environmental Working Group–$234,000
Friends of the Earth–$166,500
Media Access Project–$125,000
The Nation Magazine–$135,000
Natural Resources Defense Council–$105,000
New America Foundation–$750,000
Public Agenda Foundation–$150,000
Public Citizen–$411,000
Sierra Club–$584,000
Union of Concerned Scientists–$335,000
World Resources Institute–$75,000
That’s $4,806,000 over the past decade to groups that have gotten free PR on Moyers’s show just in the past 16 months. In several cases, he aired stories reported, or at least co-reported, by grant recipients like the Nation and the Center for Investigative Reporting. In one instance, Moyers encouraged his viewers to buy the next issue of the Nation for more information. Given all that, it would probably be simpler for him just to add game-show boilerplate to the end of his broadcasts (”promotional considerations have been paid to some of the guests on this show”).
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pmHey the link just worked again! Ok, so I’m a Luddite.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pmThird, does the Episcopalian Church really want Rove as a poster boy?
Comment by david — September 2, 2007 @ 11:11 am
The Episcopal church welcomes all sinners. ;)
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmI wrote and I was stinging but polite. I mean, this guy is a complete clown; and he looks like one, too.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 pmAgain, you aren’t addressing Chris Wallace’s main point, that Moyers did NOT contact Karl Rove BEFORE Moyers wrote the smear piece on Rove. THAT is the point. Calling / faxing Rove AFTER publishing that smear piece is FAILING Journalism 101.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmWhat I don’t get is why anyone would think that contacting Chris Wallace at the Bush Administration’s Headquarters of the Ministry of Propaganda would accomplish anything. Where has everyone been the last 6.5 years? We all know what Fox “News” is all about. Do we really have to pretend that they are a credible journalistic institution instead of the voice of the neo-con Party? What a fetid waste of time.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:04 amOh. And by the way. This kind of BS is exactly what Rove wants. THIS is his new role as First Minister of Disinformation. His task between now and Nov 2008 is to sew as much discord and spew as many vile lies, half-truths, insinuations, and fantasies as he can to completely cloud the 2008 elections trying desperately to engineer Republican resurgence. The best and only thing to combat him is not to try to counter anything he says but to simply ignore him. If one is asked about something that is obviously Rove-engineered, the response should be. “Well you are smart enough to know Rove makes this stuff up aren’t you?” The MSM, which isn’t anywhere near smart enough, will move on to another topic so as not to appear as dumb as they really are.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:15 amI have no use for anything that Chris Wallace or his father, for that matter, has to say. They have been sensationalist, false journalists all along.
Rove is Episcopalian? Then “Screw thy neighbor” must be a tenet of their faith.
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:51 amTrace Soros’ money sometime
What – about 40 million tops over the last 4 years and he is tightwad cheapskate compared to conservatism’s number one funder – Sun Myung Moon who has spent BILLIONS funding and molding the rise of the extremist right.
Yes, that is billions with “b” with no hope of making a profit on something like the Washington Times, a total subsidy to right wing extremism. UNLIKE Soros, Moon is not even a citizen. Moon’s cash is, accordinging to his own daughter in law and others, smuggled into the country by the bagful, mostly from Japan where the UC has been found guilty of swindling hundreds of millions targeting widows with their scams.
You proud trolls?
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:30 am#Moyers is a hypocrit(SIC) slanderer, hack journalist.
His hypocrisy is blinding to all.
Hear no evil
See no evil
Speak no evil
ragardless(SIC) of what Chris Wallace has done.
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007 @ 11:38 am
And, Boob, your inability to spell is particularly blinding.
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 am#Moyers is a hypocrit(SIC) slanderer, hack journalist.
His hypocrisy is blinding to all.
Hear no evil
See no evil
Speak no evil
ragardless(SIC) of what Chris Wallace has done.
Comment by Bob — September 2, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Again, YOUR OPINION.
Not that of REAL Americans, who know Bush and Rove are TRAITORS to the USA and need to be jailed until they drop dead and go to hell.
Where they BELONG…
September 3rd, 2007 at 4:27 amHe should first apologize to Moyers, then to his parents for failing so miserably. Oh, wait, that’s “W”. O.K. him too. (Their failures are when they initially open their mouths.)
September 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 pmSun Myung Moon who has spent BILLIONS funding and molding the rise of the extremist right.
You proud trolls?
Comment by Pernell — September 3, 2007 @ 2:30 am
Wasn’t it Democrat Danny Davis who crowned Moon? ;)
September 4th, 2007 at 12:37 amBill Moyers has the only real news program on television. And whatever his religious beliefs (I think he was Southern Baptist before the right wing coup in the denomination) he is not telling anyone that God wants you to think like him or vote for him.
He presents people and viewpoints not often seen on the other ‘news’ programs. The discussion of impeachment with Bruce Fein and John Nichols was the most enlightening hour of television in the past 10 years – no shouting, no political posturing, just rational discussion. Moyers played devil’s advocate several times, pointing out the problems inherent in proceeding with impeachment.
I think the right-wing yellers and trolls are after him because they thought they had silenced him when Tomlinson ran PBS, but he’s back so they have to resort to their usual half-truths and lies. Being slimed by Fox News strikes me like being on Nixon’s enimies list – meant to insult, it is instead a badge of honor.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:46 amAs an atheist, I am perfectly happy to believe that Rove is Episcopalian. We atheists don’t need to shoulder the blame for him, too.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:42 pm