Mexican President chides U.S.’s ‘humiliating treatment.’
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Mexican President chides U.S.’s ‘humiliating treatment.’
Mexico’s President Felipe Calderón criticized the “insensitivity” of the Bush administration toward foreign workers who have strengthened the U.S. economy, and expressed “categorical rejection to the construction of a wall on our common border.” The Arizona Republic reports:
Mexico’s president drew a standing ovation from legislators as he chided Americans for new border fences and their “humiliating treatment” of illegal immigrants during his State of the Union speech on Sunday.
But President Felipe Calderón leveled criticism at his own country as well, warning that Mexico is headed for a crisis if it does not create more jobs, improve education, crack down on tax evaders and find an alternative to its dwindling oil reserves.
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Wow, now Bush has lost Mexico. What is there left for him to lose?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 amMaybe if we hadn't aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn't have needed cheap Mexican labor?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:00 ami wonder if barney still supports bush?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 amMaybe the Mexican government needs to STFU and encourage their citizens to emigrate to the US legally. Like my European parents had to.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 amwhat's a wall for? ... now "they" can come in by the truckload...
(snark) (btw)
Mexico trucks to roll on U.S. highways
Sat Sep 1, 2007 11:44AM EDT
By John Crawley
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration can proceed with a plan to open the U.S. border to long haul Mexican trucks as early as next week after an appeals court rejected a bid by labor, consumer and environmental interests to block the initiative.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco late on Friday denied an emergency petition sought by the Teamsters union, the Sierra Club and consumer group Public Citizen to halt the start of a one-year pilot program that was approved by Congress after years of legal and political wrangling.
The Transportation Department welcomed the decision and said in a statement that allowing more direct shipments from Mexico will benefit U.S. consumers.
[...]
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0129981820070901
the 9th??? that reliable bastion of liberal bias?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:11 am...
...
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:14 ami challenge the TP commenters to avoid dignifying,
with any direct reply, the obvious idiocy posted above...
...
the 9th??? that reliable bastion of liberal bias?
…
Comment by katy — September 3, 2007 @ 11:11 am
All those nasty liberal activist judges Katy.
/snark
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:15 amMaybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?
Comment by Jake D. — September 3, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Actually we probably would have needed more to provide for them that which we seem too lazy to provide for ourselves. Lame bait you're fishing with
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:15 amMexico received $20 BILLION per year from Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. (both legal and illegal). They receive more money ONLY from their oil industry. And mark my words, once those trucks start rolling into the U.S. on a regular basis from Mexico, we are going to see a huge increase in drug use. The drug dealer those two border guards (now in prison) shot in the butt (given complete immunity by the Bush admin. for his testimony putting those two in prison)...also has a trucker's license in Mexico. Do you think he's the only one? Hello?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:22 amOT, i know, but this is a big story, i sure think...
amazing what actual DIPLOMACY can achieve...
North Korea 'to be taken off US terrorism list'
Jonathan Watts, east Asia correspondent
Monday September 3, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
The United States has agreed to lift sanctions against North Korea and remove it from its list of states that sponsor terrorism, the foreign ministry in Pyongyang announced today.
[...]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,,2161579,00.html
...
N. Korea Agrees to Nuclear Deadline
Deal Would Disable Programs, U.S. Says
By John Ward Anderson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, September 3, 2007; Page A10
PARIS, Sept. 2 -- North Korea agreed to disclose all of its nuclear activities and disable its nuclear programs by the end of the year, a senior U.S. official said Sunday after negotiations this weekend in Geneva.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:26 am[...]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/02/AR2007090200488.html?hpid=sec-world
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Maybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?
Comment by Jake D. — September 3, 2007 @ 11:00 am
This is about as irrational and meaningless a comment as you could make. F-in' ridiculous.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 amFelipe Calderon and the Mexican Government are hypocrites. The next time Felipe opens his mouth to criticize our laws, someone should ask him pointedly what happens to people who illegally cross the southern border of Mexico. It is not nice.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:32 amMaybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?
Comment by Jake D. — September 3, 2007 @ 11:00 am
This is a statement made by someone who claims to have the critical thinking skills required to go to Stanford Law School.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:34 amWithout defined borders, there is no national sovereignty. Presidente Calderon (and the rest of the Mexican Mafia) are desperate to keep the border "open" and billions of dollars of remittances flowing back to Mexico.
We used to vacation South of the Border (and occasionally zip down to Rosarito Beach for dinner) - but no more. The increased corruption of gov't. officials, police and military and the ascension of drug cartel leaders in calling the shots, has resulted in that poor country going from bad to worse.
Lo siento.....
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:34 amThe Mexican government or people have no respect for Americans. They come over here refuse to learn english, use our hospitals and welfare system, pay nothing and we are to suppose to act like they are doing us a favor. Go the hell home!
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:35 amUsing Jake D Logic:
Maybe if Barbara Bush had an ABORTION, the Unites States would not be committing crimes against humanity by its unprovoked attack and occupation of the soverign nation of Iraq?
What better argumentsfor keeping abortion safe and legal!
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:36 am"They come over here refuse to learn english, use our hospitals and welfare system, pay nothing and we are to suppose to act like they are doing us a favor."
They pay taxes if they work, so thank them for lessening your tax burden.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 amThe Mexican government or people have no respect for Americans. They come over here refuse to learn english, use our hospitals and welfare system, pay nothing and we are to suppose to act like they are doing us a favor. Go the hell home!
Comment by terracotta — September 3, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Which Native American tribe are you a member of?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 amfind an alternative to its dwindling oil reserves - Mexico could invade Venezuala on grounds of WMD
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 amGo the hell home!
Comment by terracotta — September 3, 2007 @ 11:35 am
This comes across as a phony post meant to make the site look bad.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:41 am----
F You, Felipe Calderón!
Are Americans freely allowed to fleece your country?
You want a free pass for your shit citizens to come ruin America. You are an idiot.
Shut your mouth you lying scumbag!
----
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:43 amJust like those Italians, Germans, Chinese, Cuban, Bosnian, French, Vietnamese, Crotian, and all the others right? Oh and let's not forget those filthy drunken Irish. I belief it is those who understand not what the country stands for that are the "shit citizens"
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:47 amComment by blanko — September 3, 2007 @ 11:43 am
So does this one.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:48 amAre Americans freely allowed to fleece your country?
Comment by blanko — September 3, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Yes, we are. It was one of the provisions of NAFTA.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:50 amAre Americans freely allowed to fleece your country?
Comment by blanko — September 3, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Yes. Next question?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:50 amFor the record, my fellow Stanford alums have already done the research about abortion impacting American crime rates as well. Maybe, just maybe, we were taught to think outside the box : )
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:53 amAnd mark my words, once those trucks start rolling into the U.S. on a regular basis from Mexico, we are going to see a huge increase in drug use.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — September 3, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Howzabout every time they catch a Hollywood starlet with cocaine and then let her go because "it was for personal use"?
The drug problem has to be fought in (at least) three levels: Production, Traffic and Use. Mexico needs to fight the drug production and traffic, but the US needs to crack down (no pun intended) on the drug usage. It's a market thing: lower the demand, and the supply will decrease as well.
I know it's a pretty simplified way of looking at it, but I hope I can get my point across.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:54 amI wonder why pro-amnesty groups aren't celebrating the decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. After all, the poor, downtrodden citizens of Mexico can now take jobs away from U.S. truckers. These are abviously jobs American truckers don't want, and if you are against this, the price of lettuce will go up.
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 am(By the way, have you noticed the price of lettuce lately? It's up to $3.50 for a small bag here in central Iowa).
I really don't want to be nasty, but I have the hardest time understanding those who are pro-amnesty. It's a simple concept of labor supply and demand.
Maybe, just maybe, we were taught to think outside the box : )
Comment by Jake D. — September 3, 2007 @ 11:53 am
More bullsh*t from a clueless fraud...
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 amI really don’t want to be nasty, but I have the hardest time understanding those who are pro-amnesty. It’s a simple concept of labor supply and demand.
Comment by midwestblue — September 3, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Canadian trucks already have full access to U.S. roads. Where are all the protests by the teamsters and xenophobes against the Canadian truckers taking all the United Statesian trucking jobs?
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:06 pmCanadian trucks already have full access to U.S. roads. Where are all the protests by the teamsters and xenophobes against the Canadian truckers taking all the United Statesian trucking jobs?
Comment by toasterhead — September 3, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Being melanin impaired is a real benefit when it comes to these issues
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 pmBeing melanin impaired is a real benefit when it comes to these issues
Comment by dbadass — September 3, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Ohhh, right. I forgot about that.
I guess it would be pointless to mention that this agreement also allows U.S. truckers access to Mexican roads, which could help speed up delivery of some of the $133 billion in U.S. exports to Mexico.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmforeign workers can and do contribute to our economy... but Calderon needs to look at what keeps driving people to leave his own country; it seems to me that would be his main concern...
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmbut Calderon needs to look at what keeps driving people to leave his own country; it seems to me that would be his main concern…
Comment by Pete Bogs — September 3, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Uh, yeah... that might be the REAL issue here, huh?
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 3, 2007 @ 11:41 am
You think Bill O'Reilly sent them here to post those "hateful" comments, just so he could highlight them on his show as "proof" that TP is a "hate" site? They do seem to display Bill-O's famous level of ignorance and stupidity.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:38 pmThey do seem to display Bill-O’s famous level of ignorance and stupidity.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — September 3, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Mornin' Wayne. They certainly have that ring to them, don't they? Just a little too xenophobic and hateful, in my opinion.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmIf the only way I could feed my family was to cross the border illegally and send money home, I'd certainly do it. It has been my experience that most Mexican immigrants are honest, hard working, truthful. More than can be said for the typical CEO, or the other lazy, greedy, tax loop hole, Bush tax cut elitists.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:42 pmjust found this at the google news page... an interesting other-side-of-the-coin story... perhaps, as i couldn't get through it all...
some here should appreciate it... i wonder how much is b.s. though...
COMMENTARY
The Strange Career of Affirmative Action
By PAUL MORENO
September 1, 2007; Page A7
This 125th Labor Day, Americans ought to consider one of organized labor's lesser-known contributions to American politics: affirmative action.
For most of their first century, American unions promoted affirmative action for white workers: Trade unions were job monopolies and most often white job monopolies. California unions, for example, led the campaign against Chinese immigrant labor, and the "union label" campaign helped to enable consumers to boycott products made by Chinese workers. "The cigars contained herein are made by WHITE MEN," the original union label read. As for East Coast immigrant labor, the celebrated socialist leader Eugene V. Debs once complained, "The Dago works for small pay and lives far more like a savage or wild beast, than the Chinese."
Above all, unions made it difficult for blacks to earn a living. The first large union federation, the National Labor Union, set the pattern of exclusion and evasion.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:42 pm[...]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118861213090515447.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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We used to vacation South of the Border (and occasionally zip down to Rosarito Beach for dinner) - but no more. Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 3, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Well to be fair, it must be difficult for you to cross the border, with you being a religious terrorist and all.
The increased corruption of gov’t. officials, police and military and the ascension of drug cartel leaders in calling the shots, has resulted in that poor country going from bad to worse.
Lo siento…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 3, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Were you just describing Mexico, or the GOP? LOL! It's so hard to tell anymore!
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:45 pmMornin’ Wayne. They certainly have that ring to them, don’t they? Just a little too xenophobic and hateful, in my opinion.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 3, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Exactly. Devoid of facts and overflowing with bigotry, just like Bill-O himself! Obviously not meant to foster any kind of debate or discussion, except possibly among people like us who notice the uselessness. More likely to be there so someone can point to it and make general accusations about liberals and their websites.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:53 pm"Maybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?"
Nonesense. The U.S. economy does not need cheap labor and should not have cheap labor. All American workers should be paid a living wage and have benefits. Businesses need cheap labor because they do not want to pay American workers a living wage and provide benefits.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:56 pmMore likely to be there so someone can point to it and make general accusations about liberals and their websites.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — September 3, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Yep. They get kind of obvious after a while, don't they? I noticed that "terra cotta' and "blanko" never came back to defend their posts either.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:56 pmBusinesses need cheap labor because they do not want to pay American workers a living wage and provide benefits.
Comment by CaptainVideo — September 3, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Far, far closer to the truth than Jerk D's nonsense comment!
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhat is humiliating for Mexico is that its government has failed to eliminate massive poverty in its own country and needs to export its poor. Mexico has even greater degree of inequality than the United States. What it needs is a redistribution of wealth. If the current government had not stolen the election, this would be taking place.
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 pmforeign workers can and do contribute to our economy… but Calderon needs to look at what keeps driving people to leave his own country; it seems to me that would be his main concern…
Comment by Pete Bogs — September 3, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Which is something he addressed in his speech, according to the article above.
And as part of that exercise, leaders of both countries need to explore policies that directly or indirectly contribute to the economic problems migrants are fleeing in Mexico. For example, farm subsidies that artificially deflate the price of U.S. corn and allows us to export $1.5 billion worth of corn every year to Mexico, the world's fourth-largest producer of corn and a country in which nearly 20% of the population is employed in agriculture. By hurting the economy of rural Mexico, we increase migration to Mexican cities and by extension migration across the border.
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:01 pmMexico has even greater degree of inequality than the United States. What it needs is a redistribution of wealth. If the current government had not stolen the election, this would be taking place.
Comment by CaptainVideo — September 3, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Our own stolen election by GOP and corporate interests are pushing policy that has led to greater economic division in our country. GOP seems to want to turn USA into Mexico. Perhaps our hard working families can slip across the border to Canada to make a bit of money to send home.
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:05 pmhuh... TP didn't like my post of the WSJ commentary
about the history of affirmative action...
i didn't much either... but history is not always rosy...
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 pm...
We in the Democratic Party must join with our "amigos" in Mexico in opposition to Bush! Call your local Mexican consulate and ask them the best way to help them in their goals. Tell them the Democratic Party leadership is fully behind them! Democratic politicians must collaborate even more closely with Mexico's ruling elites in order to put a stop to this "humiliating" treatment of their "immigrants".
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmHell Mexico is supported by the US. Mexico's corruption is endemic on all government levels. Think "bribe" amigo and youre' there.
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmwayne:
have you seen these two videos?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8024076748679173978
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4834790699362957259
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmPerhaps our hard working families can slip across the border to Canada to make a bit of money to send home.
Comment by jb — September 3, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Can you send universal health care in remittances?
huh… TP didn’t like my post of the WSJ commentary
about the history of affirmative action…
i didn’t much either… but history is not always rosy…
Comment by katy — September 3, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Looks like they've got the bullshit filter working nicely, then!
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmi suppose, toasterhead...
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:17 pmit figures the WSJ would pick the working man's holiday
to knock the unions, who helped build this nation...
...
How many Dems use illegal aliens (Mexicans) for cheap labor?
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:17 pmPlenty.
What about Mexicos "humiliation" of the guatamalans that seek refuge in Mexico?
Sheer Hypocrisy.
why do liberal sites spout off La Razza propaganda like this?
How come no one ever mentions the problems they're creating here?
How come no one mentions that they went to a federal building in LA and took down our flag and raised Mexico's flag and in the hundreds started cheering as Victors of a siege!???
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmimpeachcheneythenbush
*cough*Afghanistan is the world's biggest supplier *cough*
And one for MA
I don't know, I thought you would have liked him seen as he is the leader of Mexico's largely concervative National Action Party. Are you saying you want the largely liberal Fox back?
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:22 pmand now it returns...
as does the trooll poop... see yas...
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:22 pm...
mexicans have been rioting against the government thats using NAFTA to steal farmland for factory creation.
watch (graphic)
part 1.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDPPNFqstNU
part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YDwYHWybwkw
part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DfwqSOtWw6U
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 pmhuh... never mind:
U.S.: N.Korea still on terrorism list
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States has denied claims from Pyongyang that North Korea has been taken off the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 pm[...]
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/03/north.korea/
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What about Mexicos “humiliation†of the guatamalans that seek refuge in Mexico? Sheer Hypocrisy.
Yes, it is wrong and it should be corrected.
why do liberal sites spout off La Razza propaganda like this?
September 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmYou want an answer other than "freedom of speech"? How about this: the Mexican President hasn't got anything to do with La Raza.
Maybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?
Comment by Jake D.
Sure, every one of those supposed 40 million babies would have grown up poor and would be willing to work for slave wages. That would make you happy wouldn't it, another 40 million poor people in this country.
You are scum and do not deserve to live in this country.
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe Mexican government or people have no respect for Americans. They come over here refuse to learn english, use our hospitals and welfare system, pay nothing and we are to suppose to act like they are doing us a favor. Go the hell home!
Comment by terracotta
I see terracotta, perhaps you or your family would like to do the job the undocumented worker is doing. Would you pick grapes or vegetables in 100+ degree heat for a little more than an average wage of $1.00 an hour? Or would you or your children like to scrub pots and wash dishes in fancy restaurants?
One of the reasons why the immigrants don't learn English is because they don't have time. Most work a 10-12 hour work day often six or seven days a week. Would you be willing to do that to support your family? I doubt it.
All I can say to those who think that the undocumented immigrants are taking advantage of our system is, "I dare you to walk in their shoes for a week, then come back and we'll talk."
If every undocumented worker walked off their job tomorrow and went back to Mexico, the US economy would be in deep trouble, even more than it is in now.
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:17 pmI really don’t want to be nasty, but I have the hardest time understanding those who are pro-amnesty. It’s a simple concept of labor supply and demand.
Comment by midwestblue
Oh really, so when are you going to go out and pick lettuce?
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 pmIf the only way I could feed my family was to cross the border illegally and send money home, I’d certainly do it. It has been my experience that most Mexican immigrants are honest, hard working, truthful. More than can be said for the typical CEO, or the other lazy, greedy, tax loop hole, Bush tax cut elitists.
Comment by jb
I know, isn't it amazing how many people think that the undocumented immigrants are ripping off our system and they think it is just fine that 14,000 US corporations are incorporated in one house in the Caymen Islands so they won't have to pay US income taxes.
Welfare for the rich - OK. Welfare for the poor - Not OK.
What have we become as a nation?
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 pm"What is there left for him to lose?
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 3, 2007"
Liberals?
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:23 pm"Maybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?
Comment by Jake D. — September 3, 2007"
Don't expect any sympathy for these 40 million unborn children from this crowd. They have more sympathy for ragheads who are trying to kill us than they do unborn babies!
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:27 pmWhat is there left for him to lose?
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 3, 2007″
Liberals?
Comment by michael
Another brilliant post by the sage of the trolls michael. michael, Bush never had the liberals so how could he lose them.
Bush is now in a place where he has NO support from any quarter. There are no nations that support him. And in this country there are only 28% of the people that support him.
Oh well, he always has Barney and Laura. Even though I suspect that Laura is going to dump him once he is out of office.
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:28 pmMexico’s President Felipe Calderón ... expressed “categorical rejection to the construction of a wall on our common border.â€
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Not even Mexico wants the Mexicans!!!
HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:36 pmHey Calerdon, how is Mexico treating it's illegal immigrants these days? Word is you treat them a whole lot worse than we do.
September 3rd, 2007 at 2:50 pmMaybe if we hadn’t aborted 40 million plus Americans, we wouldn’t have needed cheap Mexican labor?
Comment by Jake D.
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:05 pm--------------------------------------
Ouch
Libs are the I want it now, please no crampin' my life style, microwave crowd.
Sure, every one of those supposed 40 million babies would have grown up poor....blah blah blah
fart by dildobaggins
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:08 pm----------------------------------
This idiot predicts the future.
fart by dildobaggins
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This idiot predicts the future.
Comment by Bob — September 3, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
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HEyOOOOooooOOOoooOOOOOoooOOOOOoooOOoOoOOOoo!
September 3rd, 2007 at 3:45 pmLuis M
September 3rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmyou know as well as I do that this is what they are constantly preaching word for word so don't question what I said when you know it's truthful
the biggest leaches on our society is big business by and large. they pay less taxes. they hire cheap labor from other counties if they don't just have it made in other countries and they benefit more and more everyday while we bicker back and forth like indians about to be slaughtered.
that's what we've become because nobody protests anymore. ANyone march in the streets lately? anyone call their represectatives? anyone talk to their friends about this?
cowards. every last one of us.
September 3rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmyou know as well as I do that this is what they are constantly preaching word for word so don’t question what I said when you know it’s truthful
Comment by Old Hack — September 3, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
I don't question that they both say the same things, I'm just saying that President Calderon hasn't got anything to do with La Raza.
Same message, different messengers, if you will.
September 3rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmSo why doesn't the Mexican government do more to feed, educate, clothe and gainfully employ their citizens?
Are they (present and past administrations all over the country) too busy stealing and collecting and distributing bribes, kickbacks, etc. from their oil and drug operations?
September 3rd, 2007 at 5:31 pm73:
A previous Mexican president did speak to LR, and said something similar to what Calderon said in his speech. Audio here:
http://americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/ZedilloNCLR-970723WarOnUS.html
Somehow I don't expect LR renounced his comments. They wouldn't even come out against ElviraaArreallano.
September 3rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmAre they (present and past administrations all over the country) too busy stealing and collecting and distributing bribes, kickbacks, etc. from their oil and drug operations?
Comment by celtic cynic — September 3, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Well, maybe if the USA stopped consuming so many drugs, the operations would cease...
September 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 pmI am suprised that conservatives and libs dont agree on this. People here undocumented, use fake or stolen documents to get jobs. they have lowered the wages of anyone who doesnt have a specific skill. Lets be honest . Americans used to do and own painting, construction and other trades. they have been pushed out by 'under the table labor'. the problem is no american are coming forward with the buy american montra. if we as americans said to contractors that you will only get my money for your painting service if you promise to use american workers etc... we are all guilty of this no matter what party you belong to. The problem arises when a downturn in the economy puts millions of illegal labor againt millions of americans vying for work. the other thing about the pres of mexico complaining about restricting people with a wall, he is doing the same dam thing on his southern border
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 pm#17 - "....They pay taxes if they work, so thank them for lessening your tax burden....." Comment by barfly
If they work??? I thought taking jobs that Americans don't want was the single motivating factor for border jumping.
So lets do some math and I'll explain why (once again!!) your assertion is WRONG.
If illegal alien, Juan, (with a fake Social Security number) has a $10.00 an hour job cooking in your favourite burger joint, he earns $400.-/week before payroll taxes. If he contributes $50.- to federal and State taxes and FICA, unemployment clip him for another $20.-, this poor shmuck takes home $330.-. Groceries are not taxed and if he spends $50.-- a week on tqaxable items, the state garners another $4.-. If he has two children (born here gratis in San Diego hospitals) attending public school, he is taking more in tax revenue than he can think of contributing. He is hardly a tax asset.......
Leftards may want to re-work the "immigrants contribute more than they use" argument .....
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 pm"#17 - “….They pay taxes if they work, so thank them for lessening your tax burden.."
They also depress the wages of American unskilled and semi-skilled workers, who otherwise would be earning higher wages and therefore have more after-tax income.
One thing the U.S. economy definitely does not need is more unskilled and semi-skilled workers.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:21 pmWe should respond to Calderon's message by demanding reciprocity for Americans in Mexico. Americans are severely restricted from entering Mexico to take good, high paying jobs. Legal immigrants from the U.S. do not get all the same rights that legal Mexican immigrants to the U.S. get. And any American entering the coutry illegaly, if cought, will not be allowed to stay. We should demand reciprocity from Mexico: that Americans enjoy the exactly the same rights in Mexico as Mexicans get in the United States. Any reciprocity agreement will almost certainly include the right of each government to evict people who enter the country illegaly.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:30 pm"I don’t know, I thought you would have liked him seen as he is the leader of Mexico’s largely concervative National Action Party. Are you saying you want the largely liberal Fox back?"
Obrador won the election, but the PAN stole it. Mexico needs radical economic reform to end the grinding poverty.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pm"and they think it is just fine that 14,000 US corporations are incorporated in one house in the Caymen Islands so they won’t have to pay US income taxes."
This is a major abuse that needs to be corrected. Any corporation that has its functional headquarters (that is, the place from which the corporation is run from) in the United States should be taxed as a domestic firm, no matter what mail drop it is incorporated at.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:37 pm"Obrador won the election, but the PAN stole it. Mexico needs radical economic reform to end the grinding poverty."
Comment by CaptainVideo
Corporal - Why don't you get down there and help??????????
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmWhat is humiliating for Mexico is that it is a beggar state that needs to export its poor and depend on dollars coming into the country from illegal immigrants sending money home and from drug dealers bringing dollars home in order for the economy to survive.
Cutting off the flow of illegal immigrants and drug money may finally force the Mexican government to act to solve its economic problems, especially the high degree of inequality. For example, there is one Mexican billionaire who is richer that Bill Gates. He has gotten his ill gotten gains by creating monopolies in various markets and screwing the consumers with excessively high prices.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmTo be fair to Calderon, he is actually making a serious effort to fight the drug cartels. This is another reason why the border to Mexico needs to be closed. If the flow of drug money from the U.S. to Mexico can be greatly reduced, this will make it easier for the Mexican government to weaken the power of the drug cartels.
September 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pm"Don’t expect any sympathy for these 40 million unborn children from this crowd. They have more sympathy for ragheads who are trying to kill us than they do unborn babies!"
The sympathy of liberals is for children who have already been born and live in poverty and without medical care, adequate nutrician and an opportunity for a better life. The sympathy of the right wingers for children ends at the point of birth.
Fetuses, until the have reached the point where their brains are developed enough for them to be concious, self aware beings, are only pre-human and ending the pregnancy before that point is reached does not deprive a concious, self aware entity of existence. Therefore it is not murder. How can we determine at what point they have become concious, self-aware entities? The point at which systematic, organized brain waves appear.
September 3rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmFetuses, until the have reached the point where their brains are developed enough for them to be concious, self aware beings, are only pre-human
Comment by CaptainVideo — September 3, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Underdeveloped brains? Sounds like a target conservative voter to me...
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:02 pmCpl Video - It's a GOOD thing leftards were never fetuses whose mothers had a "choice" - - surely there would be fewer of them...
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmCorporal - Why don’t you get down there and help??????????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 3, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
That's great advice, why don't you FOLLOW it!!! Oh wait, because the GOP is all about HYPOCRISY - almost forgot!
Cpl Video - It’s a GOOD thing leftards were never fetuses whose mothers had a “choice†- - surely there would be fewer of them…Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 3, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
But we were - they had the choice, and they kept us! What you meant to say is good thing your wingnut mothers didn't know they had a CHOICE, otherwise they'd have aborted a WALKING ABORTION like you on time!
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:18 pmIf he has two children (born here gratis in San Diego hospitals) attending public school, he is taking more in tax revenue than he can think of contributing. He is hardly a tax asset……. Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 3, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Yeah, an educated child is NEVER a tax asset! You're a f*cking idiot!
Oh, wait, this worker lets his EMPLOYER spend more money on luxury goods, and wasted FAKE attorneys like yourself to sue over irrelevant sh!t, thereby contributing to the economy by saving the employer from paying a FAIR wage...
Leftards may want to re-work the “immigrants contribute more than they use†argument …..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 3, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
He contributes HUGELY through productivity, but just doesn't get paid for it. Not surprised you're too stupid to know this! Wow, you're a stupid little wench!
September 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmwhat the hell thinkprogress? Did you delete my comment about my cousin who mows lawns at age 56 whos Irish to the bone and my girlfriend who coudn't get a job cleaning hotel rooms because she's not Mexican. When she went to the interview the only people cleaning hotel rooms in the entire hotel was mexican. That's not racist and that's not something I read! This is my life! I'm not allowed to talk about my own life on here? wtf?
cmon guys you let some other person talk about how they have the freedom of speech but then you erase my comment about my own life and how it's been effected and about how the myth that Americans isn't at all true?? I can't go to the doctor because the clinic 3 blocks from my house is for mexican refugees ONLY. all of this is just the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help me god!
just cut my heart out with a dull spoon why don't you?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:51 pmPerhaps our hard working families can slip across the border to Canada to make a bit of money to send home.
Comment by jb —
yeah right- you gonna make any money when the tax rates are 40 and 50 %? ouch
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:55 pmUnderdeveloped brains? Sounds like a target conservative voter to me…
Comment by toasterhead
typical response from someone afraid to debate- just try to insult them- progressive huh?
September 3rd, 2007 at 11:59 pmLAPD Most Wanted Criminals (http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted) September 3, 2007
Total: 258 persons: Hispanic: 192 (74%) - White: 21 (8%) - Black: 33 (13%) - Asian: 8 (3%) - Middle Eastern: 4 (2%)
September 4th, 2007 at 12:08 amdoesn't Bush know that illegals prop up Mexico.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:08 am28% is more than a "quarter".
September 4th, 2007 at 10:08 am