Bush’s advisers tell him what he wants to hear.
By on Sep 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Bush’s advisers tell him what he wants to hear.
“President Bush’s senior advisers on Iraq have recommended he stand by his current war strategy, and he is unlikely to order more than a symbolic cut in troops before the end of the year, administration officials told The Associated Press Tuesday.” This advice reaffirms Bush’s stated desire to stay in Iraq.
UPDATE: Watch Keith Olbermann’s special comment on this issue tonight.
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Keith O. continues to amaze — every time I think he’s slammed the BushCo brownshirts as hard as anyone can, he goes even farther the next time. His special comment tonight should be required reading for every American; unfortunately, the point will continue to be missed by most in this country who could make a difference.
Of course, none of this will matter when the repugs pick Fred “Let’s Make Iraq the 51st State” Thompson as their candidate — cuz then the SwiftBoaters will be back in business and our troops will remain in Iraq until Armageddon (which, come to think of it, may come sooner with Fred and the repugs in charge…).
September 4th, 2007 at 10:42 pmwatch it at http://www.crooksandliars.com
September 4th, 2007 at 10:42 pmBush’s advisors are butt kissers.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:44 pmDoes Mr. Olbermann think that 5,000 is more than a symbolic cut in troops?
September 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pmIf Krazy Keith said it that settles that.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:49 pmKO let him have it. Best Special Comment ever. This country needs to get in gear, we’ve floundered in Iraq till our military is bust and out treasury is bust. So much needless blood spilled. It’s over except for the shouting.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:50 pm“Does Mr. Olbermann think that 5,000 is more than a symbolic cut in troops?
Comment by Mr. President — September 4, 2007 @ 10:48 pm”
Do *you*? That’s like a 3% reduction. Seems symbolic to me.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:51 pmI think Keith Olberman is sometimes over the top with the emotion and outrage though I don’t doubt that it is genuine. I also agree with him completley. Bush has got to go if we are going to get the Troops out of Iraq. But I don’t think the Congress has the cojones to force the issue, unfortunatly.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThis article by the Toilet Paper haters is the proof libtards were looking for about Bush listening to people other than himself. Libtards, the fact that BUSH ACTUALLY LISTENED to his advisers–instead of continuing to insulate himself from the advice of others as you charge–totally ruins and shames your accusations that Bush “never” listens. If Bush never actually listened, then how come he’s so wise as to not only demand, but then also listen to the advice and counsel of his advisers?! Flagrantly, it’s because libtards like you fruits on TP have just been perpetuating the defamatory slogan that Bush “doesn’t” listen to further rile up the libtard base with these dumb buzz phrases. I trust Bush advisers more about staying the course–said by Patreus to be improving!–than I do the undereducated, paranoid and conspiracy-minded wackos like those found on TP. Lastly, curse you TP, for promoting Olbermann whose nightly shows are an example of personal hatred and insecurity.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pmFor those 5000, and their friends and family, I would think it is MORE than symbolic. Mr. Olbermann needs to decide whether I “consented” to the quotation or “probably did not know that . . . he had already proved that he had been lying . . .” LOL!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pmWHY IS TP BLOCKING MY POSTS???
September 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmJim Wolf359:
You do remember that HILLARY CLINTON said she will sustain American presense in Iraq as well, right?
September 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmJames Saville Row:
Did you post something about Bush knowing about 9/11 beforehand?
September 4th, 2007 at 10:57 pmdoes anyone like the way the war criminal was able to sneak into his crime scene? what happened to the ‘bring it on’ tough guy act.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pm#14, You’re right about one thing, he does listen to his advisers. The problem though is that the advice he gets isn’t worth a Tinker’s Damm.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pmHardly breaking news… a 7-year-old in a grown man’s body doesn’t like to hear the truth…
September 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pmA limited presence Mr. Pee. Nothing else.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pmBush ignored the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group recomendations and now he using Petreaus like he used Colin Powell. Never misses a chance to use troops as photo-op. The man is snake bit.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:00 pm2nd shift reporting for duty, thank you Swifty!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:01 pmThe GAO Report contradicts almost all the fantasy talk coming out of the White House. Petraus’s report will also be nothing more than fantasy as well. Considering that he has to vet it with the Idiots at 1600, that’s about par for the course.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pmjb:
Bush enacted of the 52 of the 79 recommendations. How’s that qualify as “ignored”?
September 4th, 2007 at 11:02 pm5,000 troop reduction….knowing W that will be the US casualty count by the time he finishes his next vacation.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThe types of things Bush likes to hear:
Gannon: “You have a beautiful hairy ass, Mr. President.”
Bush: “Jeffy, you’re so sweet.”
September 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pmComment by James Saville Row — September 4, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Me no talk to nazi-lockstep trolling GOPr. Goodnight!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pmGod bless KO for standing up to the administration, but there’s much more to this story that has yet to be reported. As the MSM slowly comes around on Iraq issue and public support dwindles, I’m still surprised by how few journalists ask: “Why are we in Iraq?” The administration’s claim (as well as Hillary Clinton’s) that intelligence isn’t perfect is a ridiculous dodge, and we all know it. Oil is the obvious answer, but it’s time for journalists to start asking the question and redeem themselves for rolling over during the build-up for war.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:11 pmJorge Botch sez:
Because Zooey handed Mr. Pee’s ass to him on his own blog the other day, and he’s still smarting.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pmRight on, Sonny Red and Sonny Black.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pmYes, Emperor George, your clothes are SOOOOOOO beautiful!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:19 pmThe Next Special Comment from Herr Olbermann.
I’ll supply the protesters, you supply the war
How to tell the Surge is working, Part XIV: The Left is changing the subject. Bloggers and columnists on the left are preparing for a war in Iran. They even set up a protest site: Stop War On Iran — a very real protest of an imaginary war.
It is a twist on William Randolph Hearst’s push for a Spanish-American War, lefties are trying to distract attention from American military successes in Iraq to a “war†in Iran.
An antiwar rally — well, anti-imaginary-war — protest is slated for Washington Sept. 22-29.
Apparently the left’s affection for totalitarian governments now extends to Islamic fundamentalist ones. A few on the left today will befriend any anti-American government.
The Save-Iran site noted:
On September 29, we will join tens of thousands for a massive march on the White House. There are now more than 75 organizing centers from more than 32 states for September 29, and more than 1,600 endorsers.
Now, more than ever, it is vital that we be in the streets to demand an end to the bipartisan program of endless war. President Bush continues to threaten the people of Iran, using (once again) claims about “weapons of mass destruction.†And once again, Congress is unwilling to oppose the Bush agenda in the Middle East.
There are now 3 aircraft carrier groups in the Persian Gulf area and almost half of all the ships in the U.S. Navy are within striking range of Iran. Vice President Cheney and others in the Administration are pushing hard for military action.
We have all seen that the Democratic leadership in Congress, despite being elected with a clear mandate to end the war in Iraq, has completely capitulated to the Bush Administration. We cannot wait for politicians to end the war. And we can’t wait while they plan to launch a new war.
With the confrontation in September over the Iraq war gaining momentum, there is the growing risk that a weakened and isolated administration will risk wider war as a reckless way of overwhelming opposition to his criminal policies.
Maybe the site is a front for the Iranian government. But already the usual lefty suspects are e-mailing me their protests.
Hearst said more than a century ago: “You supply the pictures and I’ll supply the war.â€
Like Hearst, they even are making crap up, and were caught by the Confederate Yankee. Once again, the left tries to manufacture military turncoats only to be discovered by their on ignorance of military hardware.
Like I said, the Surge is working. Americans are more optimistic about the possibility of winning in Iraq. A recent poll showed 54% now say Iraq can be won — 11% say we have won!
Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan is proposing to surrender the deadline for surrender, CQ reported.
I’m not saying we won’t have to use force in Iran. I am saying that some on the left are so desperate to change the subject from the success in Iraq that they cannot wait to protest the next “war†— even if it is imaginary.
Good Night and Good Luck brother Moonbats.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:20 pmW is giving aid and comfort to the terrorists with his desperate attempts to keep his illegal failed war of aggression going until the end of his term. Why does he hate our freedoms? Why does he hate our troops? Time to redeploy and let the Iraqi people run their own government.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pmdemocrats will vote for more fundingthe funding is from the chineseiraq will not be better in 10 yearsbut we will be broke and owned by the chinese
September 4th, 2007 at 11:25 pmBecause we are winnng.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pmHey Frank, that Meth working for ya?
September 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pmNice try Frank.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:27 pmConservatism has been reduced to blind allegiance to AWOL drunk frat boy and defending various perverts. Oh yeah, tax cuts for wealthy. What an ideology.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:29 pmA diarist on Daily Kos claimed to have the secret war plans for an attack on Iran, and the diary became hugely recommended despite how fantastical and easily disproven its claims were. Kos himself ended up berating everyone for being gullible fools. The denizens at Daily Kos do seem to lack critical thinking skills, especially if you look at some of the other recently recommended diaries on the site.
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September 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pmBush’s advisers tell him what he wants to hear
Seems to me he keeps hiring and firing until he finds advisers that will do this.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pmLiberals have to repeat lies over and over and sooner or later, they believe, people will believe it. Sometimes their shit works.
Comment by Sonny Black — September 4, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Pure projection from the wingnut repeating the SAME OLD LIE!!! |ZZZZzzzzzzz, boring, loser.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:35 pmThe culture of corruption many, even alot of Republicans call it. And it only took them ten years to implode. Power corrupts the fool-hardy.
Comment by Jorge Botch — September 4, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
I see them losing big this coming election….and it can’t come soon enough.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI read Mr. P’s blog everyday!
Comment by Sonny Purple — September 4, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Ah LOOK, the shortbus riders are having a reunion about their latest pajama party!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:36 pmWe Arent at war with China, and China does alot of Business with Corporate America, most of it Republican corporate business that loves cheap, non American labor.
Comment by Jorge Botch — September 4, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Without China, walmart would be gone, and rednecks like sonny blackheart would have no place to buy his guns and hangers he needs to abort the babies he fathers with his daughter!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:37 pmDamn, what’s with all the libtrolls tonight?
Comment by Sonny Purple — September 4, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Ah, yet another ‘troll’, that doesn’t know the definition of ‘troll’. Self reflection isn’t your strong suit? What’s wrong, no mirrors on the short bus?
September 4th, 2007 at 11:38 pmNow michaelIsRetarded is here. Ignore the troll. All he does is repeat back what you say to him. He is not worth replying to. He’ll die off with the lack of attention.
Comment by Sonny Black — September 4, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Ah, the f*cking troll is lecturing about who’s a troll – HOW IRONIC!!!! Pull your head out of your *ss shortbus boy!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:40 pmProbably no public restrooms open tonight.
Comment by Sonny Black — September 4, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
Thanks for explaining why all of you GOP trolls are here…
September 4th, 2007 at 11:40 pmYou know, you’re pretty rude!
We were trying to have a civil conversation.
Comment by Sonny Blue — September 4, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
That would require you to have the capacity be both civil and have a conversation – you exhibit neither.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pmOh god, that is the dumbest troll of them all, well, besides ronjazz and the other meth addicts.
Comment by Sonny Purple — September 4, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Ah, from the TROLL that claims he wants a ‘civil’ conversation! Ah they irony, the hypocrisy, the CLASSIC GOPness of his hate, stupidity and ineptitude!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pmGot lost, liberal!
Comment by Sonny Blue — September 4, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
What’s wrong Mr. Peee, no women to stalk and murder because they won’t be your girlfriend tonight? Get a life CONTurd.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:43 pmWe owe the Chinese a shit pile of money so we could adventure in Iraq and give tax cuts to already obscenely rich people. Thanks GOP.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:43 pmComment by Frank J — September 4, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
You know, after very careful consideration, Frank J, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re an *sshole. I can only hope you get the psychiatric help you so clearly and desperately need. Good luck in the Rubber Room.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI looked at Mr Pees blog, MIR, and the commenters had nothing to offer, no debate about current issues, just blame, blame, blame. Their bias, hate, is so incredibly dense they cant see the bigger picture, that is to say , the world.
Comment by Jorge Botch — September 4, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
You just described ALL GOP blogs…
September 4th, 2007 at 11:44 pmGOP is good at lying us into war, more lies to keep it going, while GOP cronies steal from the treasury. Now they are working to defend hypocrites and immoral behavior. Lying, stealing and perversion is all the GOP is good at.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:49 pmThe libs talk about P in every thread, over and over. They can’t stop going to his blog. They just can’t help themselves.
Comment by Sonny Black — September 4, 2007 @ 11:46 pm–
These Leftards really are pathetic, aren’t they?
Comment by Sonny Purple — September 4, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Mr. Pee, you post in every thread, over and over, you can’t stop going to this blog even though you have your own, you just can’t help yourself, or help projection. You CONTurds are really pathetic, yes you are!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:51 pmHere are a few things that people who are classified as poor in this country have, and this is from Robert Rector, the Heritage Foundation: 46% of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three bedroom house with one and a half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
The house may need to be painted, the porch may be cracked, the barbecue pit may not work, but they own their own home. Forty-six percent of the people in this country we call poor actually own their own homes. Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36% of the whole US population enjoyed air-conditioning. Only 6% of poor households are overcrowded. Two-thirds have more than two rooms per person. The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor. Are you hearing me on this, folks? This is hard to believe, I know. Are you hearing me on this? Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car, 31% own two or more cars. In addition to 46% of all poor households actually owning their own homes, 97% of poor households have a color television. Over half own two or more color TVs, 78% of poor households have a VCR or DVD player. Sixty-two percent of all poor households have cable or satellite TV reception. Eighty-nine percent of households that we classify as poor in this country own microwave ovens. More than half of them have a stereo. Well, we don’t know how many of them are stolen — I’m just kidding. Well, when you start talking about microwaves and stereos — (laughing) — we assume they’re being purchased. Eighty-nine percent of households we qualify as poor, classify as poor, own microwaves. More than half have a stereo and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher. In other words, poverty in this country needs major revamping, since as it currently stands what the Democrats and the Breck Girl talk about is a fraud. It is a lie.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:51 pmYup. I bet all they talk about is Mr. President at their wine and cheese parties!!!
Comment by Sonny White — September 4, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
And you, poor pathetic Mr. Pee never get invited to parties, which is why you’re such an anti-social whiny little b!tch.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:51 pm>This article by the Toilet Paper haters
Shut up hermaphrodite afromite meagan…. Just go back to posting under your standard imaginary name, we all know who you are…..
What ever happened to the Iraq Study group report? I love it how they didnt tell him what he wanted to hear so he ignored it….
September 4th, 2007 at 11:52 pmBush’s surge will result in the ultimate Bush Republican fantasy. US troops dying in Iraq for at least another year and a half.
But at least the Bush Cultists don’t need to trouble their “beautiful minds” with all of that death and destruction.
That is why they censor the media.
-GSD
September 4th, 2007 at 11:55 pm(SHANGHAI) – Starbucks Corp (SBUX.O: Quote, Profile, Research), the world’s biggest coffee-shop chain, said it planned to source coffee from China for the first time as it expands in a country with more than 5,000 years of tea-drinking culture.
Starbucks has been working with coffee farmers in China’s southwestern Yunnan province to help them meet sourcing standards and has sent coffee shipments to the United States for testing, Starbucks China President Wang Jinlong said at the Reuters China Century Summit on Tuesday.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:55 pmJust came from Mr. Pee’s blog…I’m still laughing.
What a puerile little circle-jerk…no wonder they spend all their time here.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:55 pmIf Bush’s advisors didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear then he’d fire them. So they’re doing the right thing and keeping their jobs.
Comment by Sonny White — September 4, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
And that thinking is why Bush bankrupted every business he started, and why you GOP wingnuts are so incompetent at managing the economy and the government!
September 4th, 2007 at 11:56 pmWell, whoever we appoint now to head the DOJ will not just be a handpuppet, but he will be smarter than Gonzo. He has to at least be able to lie to congress effectively.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:56 pmAh wah, Mr. Pee was not only banned, his posts were all removed! Poor little whiny loser, what will he do now? Oh wait, he’ll pick yet another alias to use to inflict his inane childish babble on the world with…
September 4th, 2007 at 11:57 pmit planned to source coffee from China for the first time as it expands in a country with more than 5,000 years of tea-drinking culture.
Comment by billy — September 4, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Freedom’s on the march…..BFD
September 4th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYes, we have yes men. All the president’s men. Yes, yes men.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:00 amsorry, billy, the Heritage Foundation has less credibility than George bush. In other words, none.
Nice try.
Comment by ronjazz — September 4, 2007 @ 11:58 pm\
The Heritage Foundation is the GOP’s baghdad bob.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:03 amronjazz, did you notice how many posts from how many aliases all disappeared at once? The poor troll’s IP was banned, and his posts deleted from that IP origination, and boatloads of nastygrams were deleted from multiple threads originating with multiple aliases… So much for their claims that they were all different trolls!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:07 amWell it worked. I started with the inane postings under the various Sonny’s, and TP yanked all of them, along with P’s.
Mission accomplished.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:10 amComment by KeithOlbermann’spridehurtfromO’Reillykickinghisass — September 4, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Bush listens to his advisers? Really? Like when he and Powell and Bremer said the following?
President Bush said in an interview on Thursday that he would withdraw American forces from Iraq if the new government that is elected on Sunday asked him to do so, but that he expected Iraq’s first democratically elected leaders would want the troops to remain as helpers, not as occupiers.
UPDATE: From the Washington Post, 5/15/04:
Secretary of State Colin Powell emphatically said yesterday that if the incoming Iraqi interim government ordered the departure of foreign troops after June 30, they would pack up without protest, but emphasized he doubted such a request would be made.
… “If the provisional government asks us to leave, we will leave,†Bremer said, referring to an Iraqi administration due to take power June 30. “I don’t think that will happen, but obviously we don’t stay in countries where we’re not welcome.â€
September 5th, 2007 at 12:14 amIf I told you I was gay, would you stop deleting my posts?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:15 amFunny that if the Democrats, or any anti-war individuals, ask Bush to leave Iraq and bring our troops home, we are told that only the generals on the ground in Iraq will decide when the troops leave; Iraq will fall into the hands of terrorists; the Middle East will become unstable. The Dems and war protesters, in making this request, are accused of supporting the terrorists, accused of treason, accused of hating and being disrespectful to our troops, and accused of wanting America to lose the “war.â€
But if the Iraqis should ask us to leave? Oh, no problem.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:16 amAhhhhh,
September 5th, 2007 at 12:17 amThe refreshing troll flushing!
A sound of pure joy to one’s ears.
Too bad for you cowards that bullsh*t don’t fly,
unless you try slingin’ it around here.
Then POOF!
You’re gone, LOSERS.
If I told you I was gay, would you stop deleting my posts?
Comment by Sonny Black — September 5, 2007 @ 12:15 am
If you stopped being an *sshole, your chances would be higher, Mr. Pee on himself.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 amI’m not saying I’m gay. I’m just bi-curious.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:22 amWho is this enemy we are fighting and killing in Iraq, the country we have demolished for the profits of the military industrial complex. The trolls who are supporting Dubya and attacking KO are cowards who love war but refuse to go fight themselves…just like Dubya and Cheney and over 90% of the Rethuglican crime family. Go away losers…you are a minority, proven fools and failures.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:24 amSonny Black sez:
Go hang out in public restrooms, and be alert for tapping feet.
Who knows…you might break into politics! ^_^
September 5th, 2007 at 12:26 amI’m not saying I’m gay. I’m just bi-curious.
Comment by Sonny Black — September 5, 2007 @ 12:22 am
What, you planning on making a run for the Senate for the GOP?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:30 amWhere is everybody?
Must be a slow news day for TP.
Comment by Mr. President — September 5, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Ah, Mr. Pee is back, until he gets banned again!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:30 amI just got here.
Comment by Mr. President — September 5, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Whatever you say, Sonny!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:36 amI just got here.
Comment by Mr. President — September 5, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Sure you did, Mr. Pee..
September 5th, 2007 at 12:39 amUS Admiral: Attacks to surge during Ramadan
September 5th, 2007 at 12:45 amMonday, September 03, 2007 08:33 GMT
At a joint press conference with Rear Admiral Mark Fox, from the multi-national force in Iraq, spokesman for Imposing Law Operation Tahsin Al Shaykhali said positive steps are taken to improve essential services along with the implementation of the security plan. Measures include providing electricity power and oil derivatives.
http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News/1-7118-US-Admiral%3A-Attacks-to-surge-during-Ramadan.html
I’m NOT gay.
I just like the way it FEELS.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:46 amComment by shane — September 5, 2007 @ 12:44 am
Well, hes certainly wasting time, I dont know about others here, but I am usually reading different stuff, while he posts all that projectionism, hes missing alot of stuff thats pertinent.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:48 amHey everyone, what’s up?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:02 amI just got here.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:02 amHey everyone, what’s up?
Comment by AVGVSTVS — September 5, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Your 15 minutes.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:03 amI’m not gay either. Every time I smoke a pole, it just reaffirms that for me.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:05 amSmoking a pole.
Is that like polishing a knob?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:06 amWell Duh? Go figure that….I am sooooo surprised.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:07 amYes, but much better. I mean worse.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:07 amBOT – Keith Olbermann seems to think he’s the “new” Edward R. Murrow – “Good Night and Good Luck” – how original! This moron has no clue that Al Qeada and their copy-cults are not going to roll over and play dead. He’s just glad he wasn’t a passenger on the Achille Lauro, an employee at Cantor Fitzgerald or a journalist named Daniel Pearl……Such a traitorous fool…….
September 5th, 2007 at 1:11 amI recall BILL’s advisors telling him what he wanted to hear….
== Hey bill don’t worry about the women your screwing and ABUSING, NOW (national organization women), NAACP, PETA, Sierra Club, and LIBTARDS will look the other way.
Now that was some preaching to the CHOIR.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:25 amBOT – Keith Olbermann seems to think he’s the “new†Edward R. Murrow – “Good Night and Good Luck†– how original! This moron has no clue that Al Qeada and their copy-cults are not going to roll over and play dead. He’s just glad he wasn’t a passenger on the Achille Lauro, an employee at Cantor Fitzgerald or a journalist named Daniel Pearl……Such a traitorous fool…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 5, 2007 @ 1:11 am
???? Who says Al Qaeda is going to “roll over and play dead”? The answer: the Bush administration. They took their eye off the ball. If we put a tenth of the resources into fighting Al Qaeda that we’ve put into Iraq, they sure as hell wouldn’t be back to their pre-9/11 strength. And don’t try to use the Al Qaeda-in-Iraq talking point. You know damn well they weren’t there before we invaded.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:26 amSo who thought Al Qaeda would roll over and play dead, exactly?
Want to see a traitorous fool? http://www.whitehouse.gov/
To 109…yes, you are/
September 5th, 2007 at 1:28 amWas’nt HILLARY in BILLS cabinet and at all the meetings.
Do you think she was Really upset with BILL,,, or just using the image of her being upset..?
I’m guessing the latter as SWINGERS are not supposed to get upset. Then again,,, BILL was so much better at getting HIS than she was HERS.. (maybe she just hides it better than him)…??
who knows?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:29 amWas’nt HILLARY in BILLS cabinet and at all the meetings.
Do you think she was Really upset with BILL,,, or just using the image of her being upset..?
I’m guessing the latter as SWINGERS are not supposed to get upset. Then again,,, BILL was so much better at getting HIS than she was HERS.. (maybe she just hides it better than him)…??
who knows?
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 1:29 am
Wow, Scooter. Take a valium, buddy.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:30 amWhich advisors told BILL not to do anything when AL QUEADA was busy BLOWING up our EMBASSIES prior to 9/11?
It is quite clear that BILL was not of the same OPINION as that dumbass and was GOING to change HIS mind about the matter… (he just never got around to it)
September 5th, 2007 at 1:34 amWhen JESSIE acted as BILL’s spiritual advisor after the LEWINSKY affair,,, was he preaching to the choir (considering what he does)?
Or was he an understanding comrade helping to soothe BILL from the mental anguish of making the wrong decision? (do you think that was a good time for a shakedown)?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:38 amChristopher Preble, director of foreign policy studies at the libertarian CATO Institute, says, “It now seems certain that the Maliki government will not achieve most of its political benchmarks in the foreseeable future.â€
September 5th, 2007 at 1:40 amhttp://www.cfr.org/publication/14104/political_crunch_time_in_iraq.html?breadcrumb=%2F
#111 – very good point bob – and are these people the real deal al qaeda or just a violent group of killers with sympathies towards al qaeda? – has it been confirmed that osama is sending his people into iraq? – at one time it was ‘insurgents’ causing all the mayhem,then the chimp suddely switched to calling them al qaeda – and now,according to bush,everyone with an ak-47 and no uniform is al qaeda – has there been any solid proof or did i miss something?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:41 amIt is quite clear that BUSH’s advisors are HACKS (republicans must be),,, but BILL’s advisors were professionals that were just doing the best they could for the country. (democrats of course)
AHHHHH now thats progress ehhhh
September 5th, 2007 at 1:41 amComment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 1:38 am
Please try to stick with TODAY. The Republicans wasted 10 million plus with their Ken Starr investigation while wagging the dog at, and gutting terror legislation.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:43 amThey already have.
Comment by Mr. President — September 5, 2007
Not another world net daily link?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:45 amWhich advisors told BILL not to do anything when AL QUEADA was busy BLOWING up our EMBASSIES prior to 9/11?
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 1:38 am
I guess he should have invaded Egypt and Jordan. They had nothing to do with it but, who cares? They all wear towels on their heads, right?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:47 amMuslim extremist and leader of the Madhi “army,†has announced a ceasefire on behalf of his murderous gang of Muslim thugs
Yes I read that a few days ago, now read the CFR link I posted, and the Adm. Fox and come to your own conclusions.
#107 and 135.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:48 amIf I come on TP and act as YOUR advisor HERE and tell you that BUSH is EVIL, sucks, and lies,,,
and has advisors tell him what HE wants to hear.
Is’nt that the same thing as ME telling you what YOU want to hear?
Is’nt the story here on ADVISORS telling bush what HE wants to hear,, the same as YOU wanting to hear what TP can advise for ya?
HMMMMMM
September 5th, 2007 at 1:49 amI guess he should have invaded Egypt and Jordan. They had nothing to do with it but, who cares? They all wear towels on their heads, right?
Comment by JoeCaribe
Actually,,,, he knew they were headquartered in AFGHANISTAN (he showed his backbone by sending in a cruise missle).
But to actually have an ADVISOR tell him to take AL QEADA out there was just to much to ask for.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:52 amSADLY for us,,, BILL also had advisors just tell him what he wanted to hear.
We should not be that critical of BILL,,, if he had done the RIGHT thing on AFGHANISTAN,,, the LIBTARD pacifists would have still crucified him.
Something along the lines of (what evidence do you have BILL that AL QEADA was going to attack us here)?
Funny how the evidence can move and change by the day.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:56 amBut to actually have an ADVISOR tell him to take AL QEADA out there was just to much to ask for.
Thats BS and you know it. He was advised it may take out innocent people and that the probability of actually hitting Osama was low.
I recall quite a few narrow misses under George, did he try? Sure he did.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:56 amDamn, Keith was fired up tonight. Keep givin’ em hell Keith. Only guy on MSM television with anything meaningful to say.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:56 amIf Bill did invade AFGHANISTAN and 9/11 still occurred then you can bet your house,,,,
September 5th, 2007 at 2:00 amAmerica is creating islamic radicals in AFGHANISTAN.
Since Bill went in they retaliated by 9/11.
Wars never solve anything.
There is a total lack of PROGRESS going on in AFGHANISTAN, was’nt BILL prepared?
BILL lied and GI’s died.
SADLY for us,,, BILL also had advisors just tell him what he wanted to hear.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 1:52 am
But he didn’t invade the wrong country just to take their oil! Bush is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis as well as having wasted the lives of almost four thousand American soldiers. All in the pursuit of oil riches. Iraq is no longer a functioning country and the Iranians control it now. Nice going!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:01 amMeasures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden’s network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton’s 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:
* Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
September 5th, 2007 at 2:01 am* Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
* Passenger Profiling: $10 million
* Screener Training: $5.3 million
* Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
* Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million
* Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million
* Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million
* Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million
* Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million
* Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million
* Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million
* Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million
* Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million
* Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million
* Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million
* Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million
* Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million
* Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million
* Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million
* Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million
* Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million
Too bad Bush took the briefing from the summer of 01 and tossed it into the back of his truck and went and cleared some more brush.
Let me make up a funny word too so I can be just like scooter. Neocontard. Ha ha, me make funny, me pee pee in my pants. Scooter=Dumbf@ck
September 5th, 2007 at 2:01 amBOT – Keith Olbermann seems to think he’s the “new†Edward R. Murrow – “Good Night and Good Luck†– how original! This moron has no clue that Al Qeada and their copy-cults are not going to roll over and play dead. He’s just glad he wasn’t a passenger on the Achille Lauro, an employee at Cantor Fitzgerald or a journalist named Daniel Pearl……Such a traitorous fool…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 5, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Cults are fueled by desperation, and US & Mossad meddling in the middle east has created blowback that little Mossadites like you don’t want to be responsible for. It’s YOU that have no clue as to the ridiculous game you play, you zionist cultist traitorous FOOL!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:05 amSomething along the lines of (what evidence do you have BILL that AL QEADA was going to attack us here)?
Funny how the evidence can move and change by the day.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 1:56 am
You mean like how the GOP one day says it’s fighting AL Qaeda, and the next says Osama is NO THREAT? You’re a retard!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:06 amIn Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted after September 11, was withered almost to the point of uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the threats Clinton spoke of.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:07 amBut he didn’t invade the wrong country just to take their oil! Bush is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis as well as having wasted the lives of almost four thousand American soldiers. All in the pursuit of oil riches. Iraq is no longer a functioning country and the Iranians control it now. Nice going!
Comment by JoeCaribe
Why is BILL not doing anything about AFGHANISTAN not an INDICTMENT on HIM for 9/11?
Yet GEORGE is responsible for all deaths in IRAQ?
At least BUSH did something. vs. BILL who does nothing.
If BUSH attacked the wrong country then BILL NOT attacking was JUST as WRONG.
Of course hindsight is 20/20 for us armchair quarterbacks.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:09 amHe’s just glad he wasn’t a passenger on the Achille Lauro, an employee at Cantor Fitzgerald or a journalist named Daniel Pearl……Such a traitorous fool…….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 5, 2007 @ 1:11 am
None of which had anything to do with Iraq or the Iraqis. Get your facts straight!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:11 amOf course hindsight is 20/20 for us armchair quarterbacks.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Your sight is much better if you don’t drink the Kool -aid!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:13 amNone of which had anything to do with Iraq or the Iraqis. Get your facts straight!
Comment by JoeCaribe
YOUR soooo right JOE,,,,
everybody knows that the IRAQ’s were not terrorists. (or wanted to help them)
Unless of course you include GASSING your neighbors as terrorism….. HMMMMM
SADDAM was just a misunderstood leader who the REPUBLICANS right wing machine was smearing…
September 5th, 2007 at 2:14 amYour sight is much better if you don’t drink the Kool -aid!
Comment by JoeCaribe
Lets save the Kool-aid for those that have selective memories.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:17 amLets save the Kool-aid for those that have selective memories.
Yes scooter as we see you have a selective memory and an uncanny ability to ignore the facts.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:18 amWhen SADDAMS govt. sends $50,000 payoffs to the families of SUICIDE bombers in PALESTINE/ISRAEL,,,
YOU must refer to this as just a business transaction.
To infer that this in any way makes SADDAM complicit in TERRORISM is taking it way to far….
(how was that as YOUR advisor, telling you what YOU want to hear)
September 5th, 2007 at 2:23 amUnless of course you include GASSING your neighbors as terrorism….. HMMMMM
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:14 am
If you’re talking about gassing the Iranians and the Kurds, do a search on it and you will find a very interesting picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand for the good job he was doing at it, after the US and Britain provided the raw materials. As far as any connection to terrorism against the West, it didn’t exist. Get your facts straight! Saddam was a CIA asset; he would never do that against his Masters.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:23 amHey joe,,,
September 5th, 2007 at 2:24 ammaybe i can be your advisor full time? I can sell my soul with the best of em…
If you’re talking about gassing the Iranians and the Kurds, do a search on it and you will find a very interesting picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand for the good job he was doing at it, after the US and Britain provided the raw materials. As far as any connection to terrorism against the West, it didn’t exist. Get your facts straight! Saddam was a CIA asset; he would never do that against his Masters.
Comment by JoeCaribe
GOOD POINT,,,,
Now take that thought and transfer it to WW2 when FDR and CHURCHILL are shaking hands with STALIN…
Apparently the concept of the (ENEMY of my ENEMY is my FRIEND) is lost on you….
You will be happy to note however that STALIN had a lot more BLOOD on his hands than SADDAM could ever hope to get.
Now please inform me how EVIL FDR was for buddying up with the worst mass murderer in the 20th century.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:29 amHey joe,,,
maybe i can be your advisor full time? I can sell my soul with the best of em…
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:24 am
Thanks, but I’m not in the soul purchasing business.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:32 amJOE again,,,
Why is ISRAEL not part of the WEST?
and
If SADDAM does not intend to do US harm, does that make him any less of a TERRORIST to others?
Should we reclassify the IRA as Freedom fighters because they are bombing ENGLAND and not US?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:32 amThanks, but I’m not in the soul purchasing business.
Comment by JoeCaribe
But ,,,, i thought your current advisor was JESSIE JACKSON,,
September 5th, 2007 at 2:35 amBut ,,,, i thought your current advisor was JESSIE JACKSON,,
Comment by scooter
Thats a Reverend, was Billy Graham an advisor?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:37 amNow please inform me how EVIL FDR was for buddying up with the worst mass murderer in the 20th century.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:29 am
You’re right about FDR and Stalin but, neither FDR nor Stalin initiated WWII the Germans and Japanese did. Big difference with providing Saddam (a tool as well as a murderer) with the necessary materials to begin a war with Iran and massacre the Kurds. I hope the distinction does not escape you.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:38 amNow please inform me how EVIL FDR was for buddying up with the worst mass murderer in the 20th century.
Comment by scooter
Really reaching now aren’t we?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:39 amMove them goal posts scooter!!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:40 amDonald H. Rumsfeld, now defense secretary, whose December *1983 meeting with Hussein as a special presidential envoy paved the way for normalization of U.S.-Iraqi relations. Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an “almost daily” basis in defiance of international conventions.
Note, Clinton took office in *1992
The Gassing of the Kurds in 1088
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29
September 5th, 2007 at 2:45 amYou’re right about FDR and Stalin but, neither FDR nor Stalin initiated WWII the Germans and Japanese did. Big difference with providing Saddam (a tool as well as a murderer) with the necessary materials to begin a war with Iran and massacre the Kurds. I hope the distinction does not escape you.
Comment by JoeCaribe
You still don’t get it,,,, This country (like others) has been picking who we will be friends with based upon what our bigger enemy at the time was. In the COLD WAR do you have any idea how many PROXY wars were fought and innocents killed because we were willing to support the local TYRANT,,, as long as he was not COMMUNIST.
Picture JFK at the UN assembly, telling the COMMUNIST WORLD that the FREE WORLD (thats us) would “bear any burden” “pay any cost” in order to oppose them.
You picking on the latest in IRAQ and IRAN is ignoring the HISTORY of ALL our presidents. And what they thought was right.
Now, be my guess and call each and every one of them EVIL for what they did.
Your ADVISORS the LIBTARDS want to make it seem like this is just BUSH and they would never do that…
September 5th, 2007 at 2:48 amSPONGE
If SADDAM does not intend to do US harm, does that make him any less of a TERRORIST to others?
Should we reclassify the IRA as Freedom fighters because they are bombing ENGLAND and not US?
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:32 am
So you’re saying that the US and Britain were providing WMD’s to a known terrorist? The question may surprise you but, it doesn’t surprise those who know a little bit of the history of both countries.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:50 amIsrael is in the West and it has a right to exist. Having said that, terrorism between Israelis and Palestinians is mutual. One does it with high tech weapons and the other side’s weapons are primitive and also destructive. They need to live in peace, hopefully the next administration will help. The present one hasn’t.
Further,,, on IRAN, our great peanut farmer JIMMY CARTER decided that he would not support the SHAH and (some say) the SHAH fell to the ISLAMIC FUNDIES because of that.
Carter did what he thought was best, (maybe the SHAH would have fallen anyway)…
Reagan,,, faced with the ISLAMIC IRAN and the TYRANT but not (as ISLAMIC) SADDAM in IRAQ,,, picked IRAQ.
a rather easy choice considering the options at the time.
I’m guessing that ALL wars in the last 60 years were either started or supported by the USA or RUSSIA.
To select IRAQ as a special case is,,,, a severe case of selective memory.
Your just following LIBTARD LAND advisors when they try and make this different.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:55 amyeah guys… Terrorist are only freedom fighters when they are attacking governments we don’t like.. do you think the Contras were “freedom fighters” scooter?
Or do you think they didnt engage in brutal acts against civilians?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2150655,00.html
September 5th, 2007 at 2:56 amYour ADVISORS the LIBTARDS want to make it seem like this is just BUSH and they would never do that…
SPONGE
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:48 am
I totally agree that all administrations have used the “end justifies the means” mantra (any similarity with the Communists is not a coincidence)
September 5th, 2007 at 2:58 amThat is why it is so important that the current and future US administrations stop their imperialistic policies and begin making friends instead of enemies. That Cold War mentality is going to lead the world into the abyss.
>To select IRAQ as a special case is,,,, a severe case of selective memory.
A special case of what? We’re not the one running around lumping every single person who is against us as a “terrorist”. It makes idiots falsely beleive we are fighting a unified group of people. Its baloney.
Let me get your logis straight.. you agree with these two statements, right?
1) Saddam was a terrorist.
2) Reagan and Rumsfeld supported Saddam.
therefore, the Us government, under Reagan, supported terrorists.
Yes or no? If no, why not?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:01 amFurther,,, on IRAN, our great peanut farmer JIMMY CARTER decided that he would not support the SHAH and (some say) the SHAH fell to the ISLAMIC FUNDIES because of that.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 2:55 am
He did the right thing considering the history of US and British intervention in Iran. It cost him a second term only after Bush 41 made a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages until after the election. Now, how’s that for patriotism?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:03 amSo you’re saying that the US and Britain were providing WMD’s to a known terrorist? The question may surprise you but, it doesn’t surprise those who know a little bit of the history of both countries.
Israel is in the West and it has a right to exist. Having said that, terrorism between Israelis and Palestinians is mutual. One does it with high tech weapons and the other side’s weapons are primitive and also destructive. They need to live in peace, hopefully the next administration will help. The present one hasn’t.
Comment by JoeCaribe
Whatever we would have needed to GIVE STALIN in WW2 (to ensure we win) we would have done it. To insinuate that IRAQ is any different is ludicrous.
When the US and Britain gave SADDAM the GAS he was in the Middle of his 8 year war with IRAN. And in danger of losing. At the time SADDAM was a murdering thug that was better than IRAN.
JUST LIKE CARTER, REAGON decided that to give SADDAM the GAS was better than having all of IRAQ become IRAN. (just another past president picking his friends among tyrants),,, they all did
As to the mutual terror on ISRAEL and PALESTINE..
I don’t think ISRAEL is targeting civilians like the PALESTINIANS.. DO YOU?
And if they were,,,, with thier ADVANCED weoponry, could’nt they kill just about all the PALESTINIANS?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:05 am>Reagan,,, faced with the ISLAMIC IRAN and the TYRANT but not (as >ISLAMIC) SADDAM in IRAQ,,, picked IRAQ.
Funny you call him a TERRORIST when it serves your purpose to justify us invading, but when reagan dealt with him, the label, in your puny mind, changed to TYRANT.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:06 am>decided that to give SADDAM the GAS was better than having all of IRAQ >become IRAN.
And without Saddam, there’s no longer a danger of Iraq becoming Iran?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:07 amWhy is that?
1) Saddam was a terrorist.
2) Reagan and Rumsfeld supported Saddam.
therefore, the Us government, under Reagan, supported terrorists.
Yes or no? If no, why not?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
YES,,,, he was a TERRORIST who killed people around him and in his own country. He had not moved on to his TERRORIST actions outside of IRAQ at that time but was well on his way.
Would it bother you if JIMMY CARTER supported another terrorist?
IN ZAIRE,,,,
ROBERT MOGUBU is a terrorist.
JIMMY CARTER supported ROBERT MOGUBU.
WALAAA Jimmys a terrorist,,,, this is fun
More selective memory crap from the LIBTARD NATION.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:12 amFunny you call him a TERRORIST when it serves your purpose to justify us invading, but when reagan dealt with him, the label, in your puny mind, changed to TYRANT.
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
Fine… Saddam was a TERRORIST TYRANT that REAGAN (and the world) viewed as better than IRAN,,
September 5th, 2007 at 3:14 amI don’t think ISRAEL is targeting civilians like the PALESTINIANS.. DO YOU?
And if they were,,,, with thier ADVANCED weoponry, could’nt they kill just about all the PALESTINIANS?
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 3:05 am
Whether they’re targetting civilians or not is not relevant. The point is that Palestinian civilians are also dying, just like they died in the latest war in Lebanon. Using high tech weapons does not preclude you from the responsibility of not using it on civilian populations. Fallujah comes to mind, also Guernica!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:15 amAnd without Saddam, there’s no longer a danger of Iraq becoming Iran?
Why is that?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
HISTORY 101,,,, presidents make judgement calls on which TERRORIST TYRANT to be the friend against the other dude who is worse.
The roles were switched in the case of BUSH,,, he felt that IRAQ was as much or more of a danger than IRAN.
(all that stuff about the WMD’s and IRAQ not accounting for it,,, the gases)
Now lets pretend that the other presidents did not pick terrorist tyrants so we can all claim that BUSH is the worst president ever…
LIBTARDS and selective memory go hand in hand.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:19 am>He had not moved on to his TERRORIST actions outside of IRAQ at that >time but was well on his way.
Uhn.. Iran isnt outside Iraq? He didnt commit terrorist crimes against Iran?
We’re not selective. Your the one that thinks we should bomb people simple because they engage in “terrorist” acts. We don’t. Whether they dealt with carter or reagan… Its not that we have seletive memory you hysterical twit. Its that we dont agree with your premise that engaging in “terrorist acts” is the only reaon you need to bomb someone.
Ok.. so Saddam is bad because hes a terrorist. Terrorism is bad. Except when its against someone we don’t like. Then its acceptable?
Hence, what your saying is terrorism is acceptable as long as its against someone we dont like? So the act of terrorism itself its something that would justify going to war with someone? right
September 5th, 2007 at 3:19 am>The roles were switched in the case of BUSH,,, he felt that IRAQ was as >much or more of a danger than IRAN.
Ok so Iraq was a danger to us how? So it really has nothing to do with Saddam being a terrorist is what your saying? Its that he was a terrorist that was dangerous to us?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:21 amWALAAA Jimmys a terrorist,,,, this is fun
More selective memory crap from the LIBTARD NATION.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 3:12 am
Compared to whom,……AWOL Bush 43, the Crawford chickenhawk? Please, don’t make me laugh!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:21 amWhether they’re targetting civilians or not is not relevant. The point is that Palestinian civilians are also dying, just like they died in the latest war in Lebanon. Using high tech weapons does not preclude you from the responsibility of not using it on civilian populations. Fallujah comes to mind, also Guernica!
Comment by JoeCaribe
JOE,,,, that has to be the most irrational comment i’ve seen in a LONG TIME.
HMMMM,,, when we killed GERMANS in WW2,, it was not our fault. Why is it ISRAELS fault against palestinians?
The fact they are using HIGH TECH stuff is to commit as little collateral damage or CIVILIAN deaths as possible.
They could very easily go to the old fashioned ARTILLERLY and kill many more civilians (like we did in WW2).
The targeting of CIVILIANS is PRECISELY the point.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:27 amThey could very easily go to the old fashioned ARTILLERLY and kill many more civilians (like we did in WW2).
The targeting of CIVILIANS is PRECISELY the point.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 3:27 am
You mean leave all those shiny F-16’s on the ground. Impossible! They have been paid for by the American taxpayer and need to be used! Please don’t hide behind the “collateral damage” bullsh*t; it makes you sound like a coward.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:35 amOk.. so Saddam is bad because hes a terrorist. Terrorism is bad. Except when its against someone we don’t like. Then its acceptable?
Hence, what your saying is terrorism is acceptable as long as its against someone we dont like? So the act of terrorism itself its something that would justify going to war with someone? right
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
I’m telling YOU that this country and others (all) have been picking sides for years, and the side picked often included TERRORISTS and TYRANTS…. If JIMMY picked MOBUTU a TERRORIST as his friend 25 years ago then I will try and give him the doubt as to WHAT WAS WORSE if he DID’nt.
YOU need to come to grips with the FACT that its been going on for a long time… (bush is the worse ever)
ONLY IN LIBTARD LAND
September 5th, 2007 at 3:35 amOk.. so Saddam is bad because hes a terrorist. Terrorism is bad. Except when its against someone we don’t like. Then its acceptable? -scooter
You admitted as such when we, the US, helped Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war.
Stop moving the goalposts.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:38 amYou mean leave all those shiny F-16’s on the ground. Impossible! They have been paid for by the American taxpayer and need to be used! Please don’t hide behind the “collateral damage†bullsh*t; it makes you sound like a coward.
Comment by JoeCaribe
I actually agree with you and think they should KILL many more palestinians in these things….
September 5th, 2007 at 3:38 amNothing will change the Palestinians attitude better than the prospect of extermination. KINDA like GERMANY and JAPAN,,,, by that point they were pacified.
Your logic fails me scooter, moreover it has failed your argument.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:39 amHERE is a heads up for ya,,,
The next president (if he is a republican) will automatically become the WORSE president ever.
LIBTARD selective memory will have RUSHED right on past our last WORSE…
September 5th, 2007 at 3:41 amNothing will change the Palestinians attitude better than the prospect of extermination. KINDA like GERMANY and JAPAN,,,, by that point they were pacified.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 3:38 am
Finally, the real repugnicant comes into view! All that moderation has been dumped when your real inner hatred for people who are different from you has overtaken your brain. Extermination, no less.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:45 amDr. Mengelev would be proud of you or, should I say, Ariel Sharon?
Ok so Iraq was a danger to us how? So it really has nothing to do with Saddam being a terrorist is what your saying? Its that he was a terrorist that was dangerous to us?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus
The WMD’s in the form of his GAS. We suspected the others but could never find them…. (we also never found his GAS we knew he had as he had used them on others and we gave it to him)
Silly BUSH,,,, changing his philosophy and deciding that SADDAM post 9/11 woul not be allowed to keep these things. EVERYONE knows that SADDAM would have never used these things on us or given them to others to do so.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:46 amFinally, the real repugnicant comes into view! All that moderation has been dumped when your real inner hatred for people who are different from you has overtaken your brain. Extermination, no less.
Dr. Mengelev would be proud of you or, should I say, Ariel Sharon?
Comment by JoeCaribe
YOUR right JOE,,,, I’m just like your average AMERICAN in WW2 who had no QUALMS with EXTERMINATING each and every GERMAN and JAPANESE who did not surrender.
But don’t compare me to ARIEL,,,, He would live next door to the TERRORISTS in peace and not even make them surrender.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:53 amMe, on the other hand would not be this KIND. He is a better man than I…
JOE,,,, are you still confused on the targeting of CIVILIANS?
I’m hoping our little therapy sessions are HELPING?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:56 amEVERYONE knows that SADDAM would have never used these things on us or given them to others to do so.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 3:46 am
There were no WMD’s in Iraq. They had been destroyed after the first Gulf War. The inspectors knew it; that’s why they were ordered out of Iraq after Saddam accepted the most intrusive inspections ever. AWOL Crawford chickenhawk Bush 43 wanted to prove he is a better man than his father (I wonder why) by starting this war. That, and the oil. Get your facts straight!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:57 amsorry boys,,,,
must (i’m sure) make you both happy by informing you I gotta go…
TOOODALOOOO
September 5th, 2007 at 3:58 am>I’m telling YOU that this country and others (all) have been picking sides >for years, and the side picked often included TERRORISTS
I know that. Show me where I said we didnt. The United States supports terrorism. I’m glad you agree with me. I accept your apology. Obviously since the united states supports terrorist, the very act of being a terrorist isnt enough to justify being attacked by us, right?
And you didnt answer my question.. Iran is inside Iraq? You said Saddam hadnt “spread his terror out of Iraq” when we were friends with him.
>
>Silly BUSH,,,, changing his philosophy and deciding that SADDAM post 9/11
ahhh.. yes.. the old “9-11 changed the laws of physics and human psychology” line.. haha I was wondering when you were going to bust it out…. “9-11 changed everything” is the lame line peopel fall back on when the things they say have become indefensible.
> would not be allowed to keep these things.
> EVERYONE knows that SADDAM would have never used these things on
> us
why, so we could crush him like a bug? you think he spent his whole life obsessing about how to attack the united states? do you have ANY evidence of that? do you have any scientific evidence to show that this gas, even when usable, is any moreeffective weapon a weapon than conventional arms? its pretty darn ineffective, actually.. a cult in japan released similar gas in a subway in japan.. the amount was enormous.. you know how many people they killed? 2?
you know how many people a christian terrorist killed in OKLAHOMA with FERTILIZER?
300 +
so gas: 2, fertilized 300 + , which is more dangerous?
> or given them to others to do so.
right. saddam didnt like islamic nuts. why is he going to give them a weapon that they might get caught with and blame him? or turn around and use against him? are you saying saddam trusted religious extremists?
he didnt.. he gassed them.. that why we liked him so much..
> (we also never found his GAS we knew he had as he had used them on >others and we gave it to him)
Right.. to use your own hysterics, he NEVER would have just destroyed them, right? Thats not possible, is IT? Would it surprise you that even if that GAS still existed it would be INERT and UNUSABLE as a weapon?
Offhand, whats the effective shelf life of the gas we gave him? Have a clue?
September 5th, 2007 at 4:03 am>TOOODALOOOO
lights out at the nut farm. they let “scooter” play on the internet a few hours a day to try and give him some glimpse into reality, their worried he thinks New Orleans is a middle eastern country and he keeps making outbursts like “WE SHOULD WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS FROM THE SWAMP NEGRO COUNTRY OF NEW ORLEANS NOW!!” “SEND THE NEGROES TO IRAQ AND THE ASIANS TO Al-ORLEANS”!
September 5th, 2007 at 4:09 amI’m just like your average AMERICAN in WW2
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 3:53 am
I’ve often heard repugnicans make the same comparison with WWII.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:16 amIt is usually the very,very,very dumb types. They’re the same ones who see a terrorist under every bed and live in fear of being the victim of a “towell head”. You need help, Scooter! Maybe someday, after a great deal of therapy, you will again lead a normal life and stop seeing a terrorist behind every tree or Bush. Good luck to you!
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 5, 2007 @ 4:03 am
Good night, I’ve enjoyed reading your comments.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:28 am>I’m just like your average AMERICAN in WW2
Right, and 9-11 was your pearl harbor..lol.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:31 amOne enormous difference between 9-11 and pearl harbor was that
pearl harbor was the least of what imperial japan could do, whilst 9-11 was the absolute WORST Al-Queda could do..unless you subscribe to these fantasies about terrorists getting nuclear bombs….dirty bombs (nothing at all like a nuclear bomb) being one of the most overhyped scientifically unsound hypothetical threats we face…
new tune
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September 5th, 2007 at 5:27 am>Good night, I’ve enjoyed reading your comments.
thanks, so have I. :)
September 5th, 2007 at 6:05 amToo bad Keith is so selectively partisan in his outrage. Maybe then you toadies would see how your own party has used and betrayed you for their own ends.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:53 amOlberman, once again, outdoes himself! He’s become a “megaphone for Truth” in this desolate landscape of crooks, liars, and sycophants. Olberman is truly a bright spot in this abyss of darkness of ours.
He’s called Bubble Boy (juvenile delinquent) for what he is – a “game player”. To him the expenditure of innocent lives is nothing more than a board game. Fortunate that his approved biography outed his motives while he was in Iraq playing games with our troops! Fortunate that his diabolical little charade was called for what it was even while he was engaging in it. Fool is what he is. Fool to believe that he’s duping anyone any longer. Fool that he erroneously believes that he will be considered anything but the very worst president EVER in the history of this country.
Fool that he believes that Congress will continue to fund his little board game! Fool that he believes that he will retire to Paraquay as an escape from the country and the people whom he betayed.
Fool if he believes that his future includes any sense of peace from the crying of a criminal who will be convicted (ala Nuremberg style) by an international war crimes tribunal.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:42 amOlberman was also spot on with his comments about Bush’s 500 days. Look how many of our young innocents he’s sent to their death in the last 500 days? Look how much damage he has done to this country both internally and internationally in the past 500 days.
Can we afford to permit this diabolical game player to continue his killing spree for another 500 days? Can we afford to permit this ignoramous who never was able to run a successful business in his life to continue to tank this country economically, militarily, and socially?? I think the answer is clear. If given 500 more days, Bush will do everything within his power to destroy this constitution (or the shards which are left of it), will turn this country into a police state with his patriot act, and will make this country a target for every other country in the world. The “great divider” (his ultimate legacy) will totally destroy this democracy and this once great country in the next 500 days, if permitted to do so.
Congress must impeach both Bush and Cheney when they return from their break. Hopefully, instead of vacationing they’ve been busy working out the details of impeachment proceedings because if they fail to do so, they, too, will be held responsible and have the blood of every fallen soldier and iraqi citizen on their hands as well.
We don’t have 500 days, folks. If we care about this country and it’s democracy one tenth the degree that we profess that we do (making Iraq a democracy?? what a joke!) then it behooves each of us to do something about it. Instead of sitting back and being pimped by the “greatest pimp job ever to hold office in this country”, get off your haunches and take action.
The sky IS falling……and we are sitting back and doing nothing about it.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:52 amOlby not hiding in his bathtub anymore?
September 5th, 2007 at 7:52 amLets see if this post makes it…
The most significant arm of our Constitutional Democracy is the Congress because it is more representative of the people. At no time is this statement more true than now giving a gone-haywire executive and its elected powers, the US High Court (SCOTUS).
If Congress does not take adequate and expedited steps to regain the usurped power by re-establishing itself (especially about putting a stop to the senseless Iraq War), it will render it more difficult for the poeple to regain the representative powers usurped by Bush, no matter what Party occupies the white house. The next President would be of the mind to not only follow Bush’s footsteps but in short order get bigger feet for even bigger shoes.
Do we have a prayer that our leaders will act on this pressing point?
We’ll see if Harry Reid of Nevada is capable of growing a one even the chemical composition of Viagra couldn’t possibly bestow!
September 5th, 2007 at 8:13 amI have bookmarked the “dirty bombs [are] one of the most overhyped scientifically unsound hypothetical threats we face…” post, just in case that is in fact the next terrorist attack here in the U.S.
September 5th, 2007 at 8:36 amIf Congress fails to impeach Bush and Cheney, I hope you all will vote those Democrats out of office . . . RUN, CINDY, RUN!!!
http://www.cindyforcongress.org
September 5th, 2007 at 8:38 amOlby not hiding in his bathtub anymore?
Comment by crimedog — September 5, 2007 @ 7:52 am
He can’t fit with Bush and Cheney both residing there.
September 5th, 2007 at 8:58 amThey have to tell George what he wants to hear.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:06 amOtherwise he’ll go crying to god,
and they sure don’t want THAT to happen.
I don’t watch Keith Olbermann’s show — I prefer the Colbert Report.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:08 am>I have bookmarked the “dirty bombs [are] one of the most overhyped >scientifically unsound hypothetical threats we face…†post
Cool. It won’t happen. And in the unlikely event it does, the most dangerous part will be the conventional explosives used. The radiation effects will be negligible and poorly dispersed. I guess since you’re “75″ you can leave that bookmark to you grandkids. You “lawyer” guys still use the legal theory of “proof” right? why dont you show us some links to physicists or nuclear scientists discussing the concept of a dirty bomb?
And FOR THE RECORD, george bush, alberto gonzales, and dick cheney ARENT nuclear scientists.
For instance, what ever came of these supposed “dirty bomb” allegations against Padilla?… nothing..zero..zilch.. its because if they tried to put on a case that a dirty bombing is a feasible plot, they’d be laughed out of court just as someone claiming that alqueda was planning at attack the united states with magical dragons.
Its some stupid concept which has been floated to try and scare us.. conventional explosions is NOT an effective way to disperse small amounts of radiactive material.. period…
A nuclear reactor like chernobyl? Sure.. But I’m not aware of any suitcases that are going to fit a nuclear reactor AND enough explosives to disperse the radiation. The idea that you can scrape glow in the dark stuff off a million glow in the dark watches and make an effective weapon out of it is, retarded, to say the least.
There are only 2 true weapons of mass destruction: Smallpox and true nuclear weapons. Both are very very difficult to manufacture, basically require the resources of a state, and theres no evidence terrorists have been able to obtain, much less hide and deploy, nuclear weapons or smallpox. There’s also no evidence that any state has been willing to sell this technology to non-state actors. Probably because no state wants to sign their death warrant by giving the stuff to people who have no state to rule and thus nothing to lose… Yes, beleive it or not, most people who rule countries actually ARENT crazy (cruel, perphaps), and know that they’d have everything to lose and nothing to gain by selling WMD to stateless religious fanatics. Assuming states we don’t agree with are run by cackling madmen is one of the most stupid ASSumptions rightwing-reichtards make.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:08 amFor the record, weaponized anthrax and ebola could be WMD as well.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:39 amJake D. sez:
Izzat so? Here’s a quick quiz, Shakey:
1) How is anthrax ‘weaponized’?
2) What countries currently possess the means to perform this ‘weaponization’?
3) The weaponized anthrax used in the U.S. attacks betrayed its origin by the specific method used to weaponize it, plus the particular strain of anthrax matched exactly the strain found at the origin. What was this origin?
I look forward to your reply, Shakey. If you do feel up to answering, feel free to preface you replies with “For the record,”, to maintain your pathetic charade of an “ignore list”.
For extra credit, explain how ebola could be ‘weaponized’ effectively.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:02 amEven when weaponized, anthrax isnt an effective weapon of mass killing.
How many people have ever died from anthrax, weaponized are not?
Its not contagious either. Again, weaponization is a complex process, almost certainly requring a state actor. The logic I metioned above applies.
Ebola, sure, but when you talk about Ebola, you’re going out even further into the realm of fastasy than smallpox. Its a fact that a handul of the most power governments have stores of smallpox they formerly used to make germ weapons. Again, the chances of them unleasing a world wide holocause by letting them out of thier grasp is unlikely.
For Ebola, there is no such documentation that governments have ever tried to weaponize ebola. Again, I think that pretty much all governments realize unleashing diseases is going to come back and bite them, one way or the other, so they wont do it.
Sure, hypotethically terrorists could muck about in the jungle hoping to get sick, but the chances of them catching ebola, actually figuring out they’ve got the correct disease and not some other, and then being able to get to a vector point (airport, etc) before it kills them is highly unlikely, bordering on ludicrous.. especially since if someone shows up to an airport coughing blood, they arent going to be let on a plane..
September 5th, 2007 at 10:25 amShakey? You there?
<crickets>
Not up to the challenge, I see. Pity.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:49 am> Not up to the challenge, I see. Pity.
I suspect he didnt like the answers “the google” came up with.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:54 amFor the record, I was simply disproving the false claim: “There are only 2 true weapons of mass destruction: Smallpox and true nuclear weapons.” I guess now there are “only 3 true weapons of mass destruction.” Speaking of which, I see that five “real” nuclear weapons were “misplaced” by the U.S. Air Force for three hours on August 30th:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070905/D8RFBJN00.html
If anyone else wants to discuss this, or the thread topic, please let me know.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:04 amUnless these aren’t “real” WMD either:
“The B-52 was loaded with Advanced Cruise Missiles, part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. But the nuclear warheads should have been removed at Minot before being transported to Barksdale, the officers said. The missiles were mounted onto the pylons of the bomber’s wings.
Advanced Cruise Missiles carry a W80-1 warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and are specifically designed for delivery by B-52 strategic bombers.
Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said the transfer was safely conducted and the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times.
However, the mistake was not discovered until the B-52 landed at Barskdale, which left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.”
September 5th, 2007 at 11:12 amJake D. sez:
Still waiting for you to turn in your quiz, Shakey…
September 5th, 2007 at 11:15 amSTILL waiting, Shakey. Be a man for ONCE in your pathetic life and at least make an attempt to back up your specious bullshit.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 amAnyone else?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:52 amThanks for once again confirming your cowardice, Shakey.
You really do make it too easy.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThanks for once again confirming your cowardice, Shakey.
You really do make it too easy.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 5, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Right on spot!
September 6th, 2007 at 2:19 am