Gore confirms VP is part of executive branch.
Gore confirms VP is part of executive branch.
In June, House investigators learned that Vice President Cheney exempted his office from a presidential executive order, arguing that the Office of the Vice President is not an “entity within the executive branch.” In a recent interview with Harvard’s alumni magazine, former Vice President Al Gore confirmed that the Vice President is indeed part of the executive:
You were often referred to as the most powerful vice president.
GORE: That was before Dick Cheney.
Point taken. Cheney has made the argument that the vice presidency is not part of the executive branch. Is he right?
GORE: (Laughs) Of course the vice presidency is part of the executive branch! But I fear that I’m losing my objectivity where President Bush and Cheney are concerned. Not much surprises me anymore. I have a lot of friends who share the following problem with me: Our sense of outrage is so saturated that when a new outrage occurs, we have to download some existing outrage into an external hard drive in order to make room for a new outrage.
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Our sense of outrage is so saturated that when a new outrage occurs, we have to download some existing outrage into an external hard drive in order to make room for a new outrage.
In fact, Mr. Gore feels so outraged that he refused to fly over Texas in his private jet while conducting a cross-country campaign to speak about the dangers of global warming.
Mass transit is for the proletariat.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI think Fry’s sells a zip drive to archive outrage. Or you can order one direct from Zipupyourrants.com.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Xavier Onassis — September 4, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Okay, Dick.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:11 pmMeanwhile our own democrat-majority houses have put everything on the back burner while they do their level best to create surrender in Iraq.
At least the Iraqi government is trying to push things forward; PeloReid seemingly dont have time for anything BUT the war.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThe major news today,
Comment by Brassmask — September 4, 2007 @ 6:0
Stop drinking the koolaid.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmDarth Dicky Cheney is the most corrupt VP in US history and pure evil.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“Xavier Onassis and I both post at debategate, which can be found here…
http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?board=1.0
Comment by Brassmask ”
Do you post under both names at that site, too?
September 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmGosh, and yet just a few days ago, before the administration began tampering with the report, people in the GAO said the report listed only 3 of the 18 benchmarks had been met. How could the GAO have been that wrong, and how did they fix their data so quickly? Inquiring minds want to know.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmXavier Onassis and I both post at debategate, which can be found here… – - Terrific, and please, hesitate to post here again.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmSorry, ranks of the Shrub Justice Department are decimated due to the fact that most honest and competent people have left in disgust.
There are more important things on the docket, anyway, such as trying this whole misbegotten administration for WAR CRIMES.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmYes, but for Dick Cheney, VP does not mean Vice President. It means Vampire President. He’s not a member of the executive branch, but of the living dead.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmXavier: “What a dork!”
Yeah. Not a totally cool guy like GW Bush, right? Gore’s into numbers and facts n’ stuff. Booorrrrring.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThough the Vice President is also the president of the senate which is the legislative branch. This one will have to be decided by the courts.
Comment by Xavier Onassis — September 4, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Balls. This was an absurd contention by this single VP and one that has no Constitutional basis. The VP does not vote in the Senate, except in the single narrow opportunity to break a tie.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:15 pm#10 So then the original report said that failure had been achieved on 15 of 18 benchmarks, and the best the lying White could do was to spin it into failure on “only” 11 of 18 benchmarks, and Brassmask is celebrating why?
September 4th, 2007 at 6:16 pmWhat a dork!
Comment by Xavier Onassis — September 4, 2007
What a putz, stealing a screen name from one of the best loved progressive radio programs of all time.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pmGet a life.
GODDAMN IT AL! QUIT F*CKING AROUND AND ENTER THE GODDAMN RACE!
September 4th, 2007 at 6:18 pm#1. Wrong. The Vice President is part of the Executive Branch. The Constitution is clear.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThe major news today, according to the GAO, is that there has been progress on 7 of the 18 benchmarks for Iraq, almost half. This is major progress and Bush deserves credit for it. What’s more important is that all of this was achieved in only 2 months since the surge began.
Comment by Brassmask — September 4, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Excellent, brassmask. Thanks for your help! with friends like you, we will be free to roam the world and do our damage for many years! keep it up! Nobody lies better than you! Thanks be to Allah, and Bush!
September 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmGore’s into numbers and facts n’ stuff. Booorrrrring.
Yep, Gore is a numbers and facts guy. His favorite is that it takes 100 standard Tennessee households to equal the energy-use of his one mansion.
Reducing energy usage is for the underlings of society.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmLog in to debategate and find out. You may find some interesting debate going on there.
Comment by Brassmask — September 4, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
It was fascinating. The first thread is you whining about being namejacked at TP.
A laugh riot.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:23 pmBrassmask
FOOLS! You were warned that the kool-aid was poisoned, yet you still drank.
Now it’s rancid and fowl, yet there you are, bathing in it STILL?!?!
September 4th, 2007 at 6:24 pm“Our sense of outrage is so saturated that when a new outrage occurs, we have to download some existing outrage into an external hard drive in order to make room for a new outrage.”
Priceless! All Gore, I really wish you would run for President.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pm“Though the Vice President is also the president of the senate which is the legislative branch. This one will have to be decided by the courts.
Comment by Xavier Onassis — September 4, 2007 @ 6:06 pm”
Only if we all want to ignore 200 years of precedent when this was *never* in question.
It’s shameful that congress doesn’t have the balls to act when such a naked power grab is made by a government official.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pmAnd let us never forget these words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CWBTL33MpA
The ulitimate benchmark?
September 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWhat a dork!
Comment by Xavier Onassis — September 4, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
I bet Bush couldn’t even spell “external hard drive”, let alone use one.
But hey, he’s a man of the people! He’s just like you and me! Actually, he’s more like you: an idiot. Ain’t democracy great?
September 4th, 2007 at 6:27 pmYou can read about the GAO report here.
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-09-04T200203Z_01_WAT008042_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-USA-COL.XML&archived=False
It doesn’t say that half the benchmarks have been met. It says that only 3 have been met, with another 4 partially met. Partially met could mean only 1% of that benchmark was met (i.e. not totally unmet, as were 11 of the benchmarks). And Brassmask is creaming his shorts over the fact only 3 benchmarks were fully met?
September 4th, 2007 at 6:27 pmThough the Vice President is also the president of the senate which is the legislative branch. This one will have to be decided by the courts.
Comment by Xavier Onassis
Why? Throughout the history of the United States the Vice President has been part of the Executive Branch. The White House’s web site has (had?) him as part of the Executive Branch. Now, just because Chaney says he isn’t, so that he can keep his records secret, it’s a matter for the court to decide.
You know, you reptards have really gone too far.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAl Goreilla…you big lug you….what a twit. Don’t even think about it lemmings….big Al has not milked all the money out of this “global warming” thing just quite yet….give him 4 more years then if he has not eaten enough that his legs will no longer carry him he might run…er….walk or use a Hoveround to enter the race.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThe Constitution is clear.
Comment by Snidely Whiplash
True indeed, but the repuke wingturds are TRAITORS to this great country of ours, and should be HANGED, LIKE THEIR LEADER SADDAM.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:28 pmHmmm, full troll response on Gore. K, K, Karl must have given instructions to hit any publicity fast and hard including the internets…
That is interesting. Gore could kill the GOP for a good long time, couldnt he.
Thanks for the heads-up Xavier Onassis.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:30 pmBush&co have rewritten laws and the Constitution, so why should the Executive branch be any exception?
September 4th, 2007 at 6:32 pmNo one seems to realize that after 2009, all the powers given to Bush and Cheney will then apply to the Democrat in office. Only then will the Repugs scream about abuse of power.
The major news today, according to the GAO, is that there has been progress on 7 of the 18 benchmarks for Iraq, almost half. This is major progress and Bush deserves credit for it. What’s more important is that all of this was achieved in only 2 months since the surge began.
Comment by Brassmask
This is obviously the RNC talking point of the day…”Almost half of the benchmarks have been met”. Doesn’t matter that it is a lie.
Three have been met and they are all procedural things like setting up committees. Four have been partially met which could be anything from, someone wrote a memo on it to actual progress.
The fact of the matter is that we are no closer to any kind of political reconciliation in Iraq than we were before the escalation. If anything we are further away from the possibility of reconciliation.
But, the RNC loves to spin their yarns and today’s is that almost half of the benchmarks have been met.
It’s unbelievable how stupid the 28%ers are. I’m going to love to see all their heads explode on the day after the 2008 election.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pm#12 Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 4, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
They still have met only 3 of the benchmarks – it’s just that now they are counting “partially met” benchmarks.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmComment by Billy Hill
Between Clinton’s blowjob and Gore’s affinity for food, you wingturds are riddled with jealousy!
PATHETIC, SAD, YOU.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmTrue indeed, but the repuke wingturds are TRAITORS to this great country of ours, and should be HANGED, LIKE THEIR LEADER SADDAM.
Normally we have trials in this “great country of ours” before we decide to hang people, but hey, dont let that little technicality stand in the way of a righteous hissy fit.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI want to see the next president (who will be a democrat) work to close off these little loopoles that the bush administration has been pushing.
Let the issue go to court after bush is gone and lets see who stands up to defend it.
The issue will die an orphan, abandoned by any remaining republic party law makers who don’t want to be laughed out of office.
So much damage needs to be undone, I hope this doesn’t get lost in the noise.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmGORE: (Laughs) “Of course the vice presidency is part of the executive branch! But I fear that I’m losing my objectivity where President Bush and Cheney are concerned. Not much surprises me anymore.”
Hillbilly, the Bush cultist: “Hahaha, he’s fat!”
September 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIf the Vice Presidency is not part of the Executive Branch because he also serves as President of the Senate, then the Speaker of the House is not part of the Legislative Branch because she serves as successor to the President and Vice President.
One person with two jobs. It’s not that hard to understand.
Unless you don’t want to.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIf Gore enters the race this quote about downloading outrage to an external hard drive will come back to haunt him. He was hounded in 2000 by the image distorters as someone who is stiff and unlikeable, you wouldn’t want to have a beer with him, etc. Say what you want but people respond in that way, and you do too. Now, he more than anyone should be aware of his reputation for being mechanical and even robot-like. There are, like, a thousand cartoons that came out in 1999 and 200 depicting Gore as a robot. And he provides sound bytes about downloading his outrage to an external hard drive?!!! Nevermind that bit about Bush’s Crawford Ranch being way more environmentally friendly than Gore’s house. People, do not pin your hopes on Al Gore. God bless him, but not going to win the next presidential election is my prediction.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWell, Xavier Onassis, good point all the cabinet members have authority in many government bureaucracy’s; that does not change the fundamental structure of the government.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:36 pmAgreed, Marie, and if we look at the benchmarks achieved, we see:
Formation of committees, construction of (U.S.) military command posts, and “protection of the rights” of Iraqi legislators….
September 4th, 2007 at 6:37 pmPeople, do not pin your hopes on Al Gore. God bless him, but not going to win the next presidential election is my prediction.
Comment by Eskwaya
Well, since he is not running, that’s a good guess. But I loved what he said. I think it showed what a great sense of humor he has.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:44 pmYes, Brassmark, by all means, let’s all go to wasteyourbreathe.com, and try to talk to trolls who will not listen and do not think. That would be productive.
The White House today scrubbed another one of our government’s websites. now the site declares that another chunk of our White House and government exists solely to serve Dear Leader, http://rawstory.com//news/2007/White_House_scrubs_freedom_of_information_0904.html.
Meanwhile, Bush is giving interviews discussing how much he’ll rake in for speaking engagements after he finally gets the hell out of my White House. Our kids are dying for this prick’s lies and he’s dreaming of “fillin’ up the ol’ coffers”. http://snafu-ed.blogspot.com/2007/09/bushs-latest-crass-comment.html
Excuse me if I’m not in the mood to debate idiots mindlessly trying to split Constitutional hairs for no other purpose than to help Bush get people killed and Cheney amass more power that he shouldn’t have and doesn’t deserve.
That odor that seems to be permeating everything related to the White House is the stink of traitors.
This is why the French invented the guillotine.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmi took a big fat shit on debategate…i loved it!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe Constitution is clear.
Comment by Snidely Whiplash
True indeed, but the repuke wingturds are TRAITORS to this great country of ours, and should be HANGED, LIKE THEIR LEADER SADDAM.
Comment by Not Canadian
September 4th, 2007 at 6:48 pmAt this point, I would not mind torture being added to that.
Our sense of outrage is so saturated that when a new outrage occurs, we have to download some existing outrage into an external hard drive in order to make room for a new outrage.
That is a beautiful quote!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 6:48 pmAs for the VP thing, Xavier, it was already decided a long time ago. Cheney lost and backed off. Try reading the news republicans….
You would then also know that the GAO report was released last week in the washington post, and was exceptionally bad news for Bush. They published it just in case the WH “changed the results”, whihc they did.
again, read the news republicans….
Eskwaya – could a robot do any worse? America has had a Chimp and an Organ Grinder sine the 2000 (s)election.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI thought Cheney withdrew Gore’s VP bragging rights, kinda like the FOIA thing…
September 4th, 2007 at 6:52 pmIt’s time for “Tricky Dicky” to go! Of course, OVP is part of the Executive Branch – who’s he trying to kid. Out with this fraud already!
September 4th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIsn’t this Constitutional Law 101?? Oops…I forgot that we’re now wiping our butts with it, thanks to Dumbya.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:54 pmTerry the Turtle: I love it! The Chimp and the Organ Grinder, indeed! But wait….what organ does The Dick have that’s able to do the grinding???
September 4th, 2007 at 6:55 pmthan Gore’s house. People, do not pin your hopes on Al Gore. God bless him, but not going to win the next presidential election is my prediction.
Comment by Eskwaya — September 4, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Blessings on you! Gore would signal the end of Al Qaeda dominance in the Middle East, and the end of our ability to use oil as leverage. gore would be a horrible choice for president from my viewpoint. Give us another friendly, lazy, greedy dolt like Bush and his master Cheney, and we will continue our campaign of weakening America.
September 4th, 2007 at 6:59 pmIt’s time to call into question the illegal spy program. It was based on bogus legal opinion along with Gonzo’s stamp of approval which meant nothing – http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/magazine/09rosen.html?ex=1347076800&en=426a5f520b57279a&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
September 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIt’s time to get Jack Goldsmith to testify along with his cadre of intellectuals to bring suit and/or impeachment proceedings against this administration for the illegal spying program.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWith Gore at the top of the ticket in 2008, we will guarantee the end of shameless Mitch McConnell. Help us Ditch Mitch.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:06 pm***“Our sense of outrage is so saturated that when a new outrage occurs, we have to download some existing outrage into an external hard drive in order to make room for a new outrage.â€
Priceless! All Gore, I really wish you would run for President.
_______________
Too bad he has to paraphrase one of Homer Simpson’s best lines….
September 4th, 2007 at 7:07 pmThe typical Bush cultist’s reasoned argument:
“More proof that al-Goracle doesn’t know shit!!!”
Hmmmm. Yes. OK, I see your point. Well made! Bush is awsome! Bow down to him!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:15 pmMore proof that al-Goracle doesn’t know shit!!!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Your post is more proof that Mr. Pee doesn’t know shit, but that his diapers are full of them! Wah, Wah, Wah!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:15 pmIt’s time for “Tricky Dicky†to go! Of course, OVP is part of the Executive Branch – who’s he trying to kid. Out with this fraud already!
Comment by veritas
Of course, but think what kind of person would assert something so outrageous as to not be part of the Exec. branch? Think about it. he says it outloud, to everybody who would listen. How crazy does a guy have to be to claim such a thing? Why is he still in office? Who does he think he is, anyway?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:18 pmRun for President, Al! Your country needs you!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:29 pmDear Mr. President in Exile – We are all in the same boat – we (72%) are also outraged with this evil, criminal administration (if you could call what Bush does administrating, more like floundering buffons).
September 4th, 2007 at 7:31 pmI think I must have a humongous hard disk!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:34 pmWonder how Mr. Pee feels about Jeb’s druggie daughter, or his hero the druggie Rush. Ah the wingnut hypocrisy, ever RELIABLE…
September 4th, 2007 at 7:54 pmThough the Vice President is also the president of the senate which is the legislative branch. This one will have to be decided by the courts.
Comment by Xavier Hollander — September 4, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
You’re out of your mind.
The Vice President’s office is not empowered in Article 1. It is empowered in Article II. In Article II, the Executive Branch the Office of Vice President is defined and coupled with the office of the President.
The only mentions of the Veep in Article 1 are naming him President of the Senate, which it then goes on to define it as an honorary title holding no real power or duties other than in the event of a tie, at which point the senate essentially defers the exectutive branch by pernitting the Presidents Vice President to cast the deciding vote.
You will learn that in any accredited High School or College throughout the United States. :|
Just what the hell are they teaching you guys at Messiah U these days?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pmNo one disputes that the Vice President has a role in the Senate.
But that role is small, and does not empower or define his office. His office is empowered in Article II. Someone anyone with a good public school education in this country would know.
You should have studied harder.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:02 pmXavier Onassis and I both post at debategate, which can be found here…
http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?board=1.0
Comment by Brassmask
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Thanks for the invite. Next time I’m in the mood to read the thoughts of a couple deluded right wingers, I’ll come on over. There just aren’t enough deluded right wingers flaming on this message baord.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:23 pmWith Gore at the top of the ticket in 2008, we will guarantee the end of shameless Mitch McConnell. Help us Ditch Mitch.
Comment by DitchMitchKY — September 4, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
That shameless old queen? he was outed in the same article that outed Craig a year ago. Yet another hypocritical republican closet case!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:36 pmall too often one wonders how the hell it might be possible for anybody from any political direction to say-especially in comparison to where we stand today–that Al Gore doesn’t know what he’s talking about…..oh, hold on let me hit the mute button on Chris Matthew’s Hardball…..
September 4th, 2007 at 8:37 pmI love Al Gore.
The truth rocks.
:)))
September 4th, 2007 at 8:49 pmal-Goracle is such a dumbf*ck!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Who is this al-goracle fabricated name of whom you speak? You however ARE a dumbf*ck Mr. Pee!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:11 pmLOL — “no real power or duties other than” in the event of a tie and that whole presiding over the Senate thing — read a little about how John Adams, our first Vice President, wielded said “non-power” : )
September 4th, 2007 at 9:20 pmAl Gore, able to get a plane and help some of the suffering folks in New Orleans during Katrina. aWol bushie stayed on vacation, fund raised and was completely disconnected during our great natural tragedy. aWol bushie brought great shame on us all. We know who the dork is.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:26 pmCheney has not denied that his Office is in the Executive branch; he simply pointed out it is in the Legislative branch as well — sort of a unique, hybrid Office (regardless of what Algore thinks).
September 4th, 2007 at 9:27 pm“Gore confirms VP is part of executive branch”
Did we really need confirmation of this?! …ugh! Where are you when we need you, Miss Teen USA?
September 4th, 2007 at 9:37 pmWhat part of “it is in the Legislative branch as well” are you guys having trouble with?
September 4th, 2007 at 9:39 pmNot that I’m a fan in the least, but I thought Al Gore’s 2000 concession speech was very impressive, I’m serious. I thought it was a great setup for a comeback. If he can sustain that manner, he could be a strong runner.
If he starts roaming around the stage during the debates again (just an example) and looking like he’s not comfortable in his own skin, then probably not so strong.
The press always takes their shots, some seem less affected like Clinton or Reagan. The rest get hit and suffer more damage. And attacking parent / kid family problems doesn’t reflect well or prove anyones’ point – unless you’re attacking Reagan’s underwear model son, Ron.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:45 pmOh looky, Gore made a funny!
/Oh wait, this ain’t fark.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:58 pm//Still, I laughed.
///Go Gore!
“when a new outrage occurs, we have to download some existing outrage into an external hard drive in order to make room for a new outrage”
Take some medication you dopey liberal!
September 4th, 2007 at 10:20 pmGore is absolutely right – we are all suffering from scandal fatigue. Unfortunately, it started under Clinton with penny-ante kid stuff, and then Bush took things to a whole new level. There simply is not enough time or energy to deal with it all, and I predict the Repugs will rue the day they ceded so much to Bush, because there will be an authoritarian Democrat in the Oval Office before too long, and she will be loaded for bear.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:21 pmOh noes, Cheney disobeyed an order by Bush. What to do?!?! I’m sure Gore never disobeyed any orders from Clinton. How do I know that? Well, because Gore said so, silly! Just like I know that Cheney is wrong and Gore is right because Gore said so!
Life is much easier when you stop thinking for yourself and just let Think Progress do it for you.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:32 amCould we have some moderation here, please? I see some vowels that are trying valiantly to escape from some trolls…
September 6th, 2007 at 2:30 am