Service to Cheney is like serving in Iraq.
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Service to Cheney is like serving in Iraq.
On this evening’s Hardball, Ron Christie, a former aide to Vice President Cheney, equated his work in the White House to serving in Iraq. While debating Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz, Christie said to Soltz, “I am pleased and honored by the fact that you chose to wear the uniform of this country, but I also chose to serve this country, and I’ve been involved in public service serving the United States and the American people.” “Unlike you Jon,” he continued, “I’ve actually sat in the Oval Office.” Watch it:
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WHAT A BONAFIDE DICK.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:18 pmMake that 'a bonafide c*nt'.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:20 pmi second that #1!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:20 pmHe should have come back with "You listened to a guy who dodged the draft for nam? Shows how much you know about serving in the military right there"
September 4th, 2007 at 7:21 pmcongratulations. you've tread on the same hollowed ground as monica lewinsky. i think she made more of a contribution than you.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:22 pm“Unlike you Jon,†he continued, “I’ve actually sat in the Oval Office.â€
And there it is folks: that is the standard for honorable service to your country in 2007AD--whether or not the current coward-in-chief allows you into his office.
Military service in the wars of choice started by the coward-in-chief just doesn't cut it.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:24 pmCan someone please take this Christie guy off the air? He continues to say the stupidest things.
Although Cheney is an ass and would be terrible to work for, having a boob as a boss ain't the same as getting your butt shot off or shot at.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:24 pmexthuuce me.
well, game set match if you put it that way, lol
September 4th, 2007 at 7:26 pmDid someone smack Christie in the head with a anvil or something or does he have a fly on his nose?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:27 pm"Sitting in the oval office"?? LOL! Yeah, sitting in the oval office with its air conditioning and comfortable couches is like serving in Iraq. Gimme a break!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:27 pmWhat was Jon's response after the "Unlike you Jon,†he continued, “I’ve actually sat in the Oval Office" part at th eend?
Too bad the clip ends after that part and didn't present what Jon's repsonse was.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:27 pmVery cool. Slam the lib Christie! Serving our country comes in all forms. Like John Adams, you don't have to serve in the military to do your country great service.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:27 pmIf working for a politician is the equvilent of military service I must be a veteran.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:28 pmThese creepy little chickenhawk neocons are just insufferable.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:29 pmI went shopping today. I am serving my country, too!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:31 pmChickenshit.
What else can one say. Only when these "officials" kids start serving in the battlefield will you see change.
Is it no surprise that the biggest export to Iraq from Southern California is Mexican Sweet Brad (PAN) from La Grande in Santa Ana, to the kids serving there!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:32 pm"Like John Adams, you don’t have to serve in the military to do your country great service.
Comment by Liberalismisdead"
Ok, you're right; I'll give John Adams a pass.
However, I hope you're not suggesting that ron christie is somehow equivalent to John Adams...?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:33 pmThis segment is going to be on again right in about 3 minutes on the Hardball replay. Jon's reaction to Christie is awesome. If you have MSNBC, catch the segment.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:34 pm-------------
Ron Christie is the biggest feminized pussy I've ever seen.
Typical pussified American Male ...
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September 4th, 2007 at 7:34 pmComment by Conservativesoutdebateanti-warfoolseachtime — September 4, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
You keep referring to Soltz's "negligible iraq service."
What was your service like? How long were you over there?
I'd like to understand your basis for denigrating or minimizing the military service of others in a war zone, and would hope it would somehow be based on your own heroic efforts.
You're not going to disappoint me, are you?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIt always makes me sad to see a person of color vote republican.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:37 pmBut it's impossible for me to believe it, when it's for BUSH.
Don't you know he likes the Mexi-ricans more than you ?
Can you say Katrina ?
Wow. I haven't called anyone a patronizing, pompous douchebag in a long time.
Mr. Christie, you are a patronizing, pompous douchebag.
-GSD
September 4th, 2007 at 7:38 pmRon, get that eye fixed, will ya? The Sammy Davis Jr. look is so passe.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:38 pmBlibo Jones............This is the home website of PAMS.........(pussified American male)........you are going to get a sharp response in defense of PAMs by PAMs.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:39 pmWhat is negligible service?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:43 pm“Unlike you Jon,†he continued, “I’ve actually sat in the Oval Office.â€
haha, see, this is the kind of brilliant shit dogs growl at, lol
September 4th, 2007 at 7:43 pm“Unlike you Jon,†he continued, “I’ve actually sat in the Oval Office.â€
And is this supposed to be a badge of honor? While Jon Stoltz was out there getting shot at, this asshat sat in his chair in the White House and we are supposed to honor him for it? He looks young enough to enlist. If he's working for Chaney he thinks that what we are doing in Iraq is the right thing to do. So why is he in the White House and not over in Iraq fighting for something he believes in?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:44 pmBlibo Jones…………This is the home website of PAMS………(pussified American male)……..you are going to get a sharp response in defense of PAMs by PAMs.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — September 4, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
PAM? You mean cheerleader, kissy-kissy saudi friends bush? Or were you referring to Craig, Haggard and Foley? Yeah, they're a product of 'liberalism'!!! Come on, embrace your feminine side! Come out of the bathrooms and into the parade!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI believe that George W. Bush has already made it more than obvious that serving one's country on a field of battle requires much, much, much more bravery, integrity and self-sacrifice than sitting in the oval office does.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI like the troll's logic. It's fun.
Jon Stoltz said the Iraq War is a catastrophe.
Yeah, but we don't have to listen to Jon Stoltz. He's a treasonous coward.
How do you know he's a treasonous coward?
Because he said the Iraq War is a catastrophe.
Sometimes the stupid hurts, but sometimes, it kind of tickles.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:45 pmSo why is he in the White House and not over in Iraq fighting for something he believes in?
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 4, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
I'm thinking Don't Ask, Don't Tell might have something to do with it.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:45 pmListen to the clip again (it pertains to your display of ignorance) before you ask another stupid question!!!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
You lecturing others on ignorance - now that's funny Mr. PEE!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:45 pmHe served UNDER Cheney.
I'd rather go to Iraq.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pmRon looks like he answered wrong on the don't ask, don't tell part of the Chinny military entrance exam. Duz ya wonder how he serviced the Ex. Branch?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:47 pmRon Christie is a talking POS. He must be under contract with MSNBC - he is on so often and is guaranteed to be obnoxious.
As I saw that on TV, my jaw dropped. Christie equated his sitting in the Oval Office (and drinking the communal koolaid) with serving in Iraq or in the military anywhere.
#11, I believe the response to that was Jon laughed out loud. Jon takes on Christie point for point, but Christie has learned well from his teachers - always talk louder and longer than your debater.
Even Tweety was astonished at the take given by Christie on the crass chimp-in-chief.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:48 pmThe topic was how unseemly was it for Bushie to talk about filling the old coffers after he leaves the White House while people are dying every day in Iraq for his tragicly mistaken war.
I don't agree with Tweety much, but today he could not contain his shocking disgust with the uncouth George Bush.
Ron Christie:
"Unlike you Jon, I have tapped my feet in mensroom stalls in the US capital."
-GSD
September 4th, 2007 at 7:48 pm"Listen to the clip again (it pertains to your display of ignorance) before you ask another stupid question!!!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR"
Hmmm...I can only conclude you thought I was requesting information from christie--when I was *actually* looking for a response from "Conservativesoutdebateanti-warfoolseachtime"----who kept referring to the "neglibible iraq service" of Soltz.
But re: christie----he made himself look like an ass on national tv by actually trying to compare him having a job in the administration and attending meetings with military service in a war zone.
A true YouTube moment. I hope this gets distributed far and wide, in particular among the soldiers in iraq, so they can see how the people running the government really feel about how tough they have it compared with the life of a soldier.
Brothers In Arms indeed.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:48 pmJohn Soltz is an ass. His message is in stark contrast to other messages put out by the democratic party. He tries to say that if you haven't worn the uniform, or been to Iraq then you cannot comment. However, time and time again we hear mouthpieces in the democratic party saying that you don't have to have served in order to criticize the debacle.
John Soltz is what is wrong with politics in this country. Rather than trying to find workable solutions to things, he wants to drive wedges.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI don’t agree with Tweety much, but today he could not contain his shocking disgust with the uncouth George Bush.
Comment by Marie — September 4, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
These moments for Tweety are too few. He called this one exactly right, and wasn't able to hide his disgust. The segment with Maher was good, too.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:50 pmLots of people sit in the Oval Office.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:51 pmDoesn't mean anything happens, people just sit there.
I'm sure Barney sits there too.
When he's not humping Christie's leg...
Wow. I actually agree with #42 (veritas) on this one.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
So then you think your fellow Republican troll Mighty Aphrodite's comments are those of an Ass, she she's made the same statements in the pass. I couldn't agree more!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:52 pmIs Cheney shooting his underlings in the face again?
THAT is the only excuse I'd accept for saying something as stupid as "serving under Cheney is like serving in Iraq".
September 4th, 2007 at 7:52 pmWow. I actually agree with #42 (veritas) on this one.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
lol, feel the concern!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:54 pm"His message is in stark contrast to other messages put out by the democratic party. He tries to say that if you haven’t worn the uniform, or been to Iraq then you cannot comment.
Comment by veritas — September 4, 2007 @ 7:49 pm"
Hmm...that's a very strange interpretation. Almost concern-trollish.
How do you arrive at this conclusion?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI'd like Ron Christie to talk about his service to country in front of a VFW audience. His ignorance and arrogance would get his ignominious ass kicked by the first 65-year-old Vietnam vet to reach him.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:55 pmThe repubs always send out Christie when the rest are too embarrassed to appear on a show with a tough topic. Appears now they are also using TomDelay for shit duty appearances.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:56 pmMy feeling is Rove has dirt on the closted Christie.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pmWhy would anyone else say such stupid shit.
Rove is blackmailing all the GOP Queens....That's why so many vote 100% for Bush.
I bet Christie is one of those self loathing Queens you see in the gay bars on 17th Street in Dupont circle
I don't think the self-preening a*sholes in the White House have the slightest clue how much they are hated in this country, or how much they will come to be hated.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pmHe tries to say that if you haven’t worn the uniform, or been to Iraq then you cannot comment.
Comment by veritas — September 4, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Actually, that's not what he said at all. Remember, the topic was regarding Bush's crass plans to use his presidency to cash in on the lecture tour. Jon was making the point that it's offensive to soldiers and veterans, and talking about how soldiers feel about such a comment.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:58 pmAll it takes is a few seconds of listening to Ron Christie's BS before I can feel my eyes starting to cross!
September 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pmBut, I do have to add, I don’t give a shit about what the other Dems say.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
And the feeling is mutual.
Does insulting Soltz make you feel better about your own failure to serve your country in any manner at all, Pee?
September 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI never see Christie the queen on Fox noise, I guess the don't ask don't tell policy isn't in force at Fox....Christie is a vicious queen chick-hawk loser, comparing his service to our brave soldiers who are fighting this illegal disgusting war.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pmHmm…that’s a very strange interpretation. Almost concern-trollish.
How do you arrive at this conclusion?
Comment by mongo — September 4, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
well, why shouldn't it go something like this: if those according to their abilities abandoned the private sector, who will generate economic growth & revenue, which of course ultimately goes to pay the troops?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:00 pmJohn Soltz is what is wrong with politics in this country. Rather than trying to find workable solutions to things, he wants to drive wedges.
Comment by veritas
That sounds a lot like someone else I know... Now who would that be?? I know, Dick Chaney....George Bush. They are the kings of driving wedges. And they are chicken hawks.
I have heard Jon Stolz talk many times and I have NEVER heard him say that if you have not served in the military you can't comment on what is going on in Iraq. What I have heard him say is that all these people who have never served in the military (like AEI members, George Bush and Chaney) are telling the Generals who have a lifetime of service how to run the military and how to run the war. He thinks it is wrong that when Bush disagrees with something a general says, he fires that general and finds one who does. He also thinks it is wrong that all these people are happy to send our children off to Iraq and yet none of them have sent their children. That is pretty much what I have heard him say and I agree with everything he has said.with him.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:03 pmYeah, that was the topic. But then Soltz said something like:
“Excuse me, I don’t have to debate you because I was in Iraq!â€
Soltz… what a douche.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Nope. Let me make this shorter and easier to understand for you.
Jon: As a soldier, I'm offended.
Christie: You're wrong.
Jon: I won't be lectured to by someone who's never served.
See how Christie tried to minimize and deny Jon's opinion? That's the only thing Jon objected to. The rest of it is Christie's memories of playing army with Dick in the Oval Office.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:05 pmBut, I do have to add, I don’t give a shit about what the other Dems say.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Then why do you spend countless hours reading what the other Dems have to say?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:05 pmService to Cheney is like serving in Iraq.
You mean, besides the possibility of getting shot in the face?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWhy would anyone want to join the service when they are treated like this after serving? I wouldn't even think about it until there is a dem in office.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pm"But, I do have to add, I don’t give a shit about what the other Dems say.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR "
I'm crushed. And I bet everyone else is crushed too. Mr. Pee doesn't give a shit about what we say. Oh woe is me.
You know Mr. Pee, I'm willing to bet that there isn't one person on this site (other than your fellow trolls) who gives a shit about anything you say either.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pmVeritas, Can you back up with EVIDENCE the remarks that you attribute to Mr. Stolz? If not, then STFU Troll. And for the rest of the intellectually challenged Trolls here, NO service in our Armed Forces, especially in a Combat Zone is "insignificant."
September 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pmUnlike the Trolls or the 1st Class Moron, Ron Christie.
"But then Soltz said something like:
“Excuse me, I don’t have to debate you because I was in Iraq!â€
Soltz… what a douche.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:00 pm"
christie started to tell Soltz why what bush said wasn't insulting to the troops, to which Soltz responded that he didn't need a lecture from someone who has never worn the uniform.
The point being:
Who is christie to tell an actual soldier how the troops feel or should feel?
Which is a legitimate stand.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pmSoltz clearly got upset by Christie there and what he said was a product of it. Notice he shut up right away? He knew that came out bad, but thats what happens when you have to listen to a bonehead like Ron Christie.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:08 pmWhat a freakin' arrogant P***k.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:09 pmmongo, I think this is too nuanced for chickenhawks here, who really do think they are serving the nation by posting the president's talking points here day in and day out. Remember, they don't do nuance.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:10 pmLooks like Mr. P jacked veritas' name to support his own flailing viewpoint. I would say from the look on Soltz's face, had he been in studio, he would have shown Christie some of the stuff the army teaches you. Course Christie might have enjoyed that a great deal.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:10 pmChristie is a true representative of today's Bush Republican party.....an upper-class, pompous, insecure, over-compensating, self-loathing, hypocritcal and mean-spirited smart ass who has never risked or sacrificed anything to serve his country. How much is Christie getting paid compared to what Soltz got paid while he was in Iraq?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:10 pmUnlike you Jon, some of us have served our country in public washrooms doing really secret stuff.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:10 pm"See how Christie tried to minimize and deny Jon’s opinion? That’s the only thing Jon objected to. The rest of it is Christie’s memories of playing army with Dick in the Oval Office.
Comment by troqua "
What I see is how Mr. Pee distorted what Jon actually said. It's an art form that has been perfected by the Republicans under Rove.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:11 pmChristie is typical republican chickenhawk scum. How can he equate licking Bush and Cheney's butt to serving in Iraq. The only American people he has served are the neocon warmongers who put us in this mess.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:12 pmWhy doesn't someone Out christie?
Please?
He strikes me as being deep in the closet of his Log Cabin...
September 4th, 2007 at 8:14 pm"But now here you are engaging me!!! Saying that no one gives a shit about what I say, no less!!!
You Proglibs crack me up!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR"
Not nearly as much as the amusement you give the people on this site. You are all so stupid, a comedian couldn't write anything funnier than the stuff that comes out of your mouth.
And, I will admit that I occasionally join in the fun. It's so easy.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:15 pmTOMMY! Uncle TOMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:15 pmHow can he equate licking Bush and Cheney’s butt to serving in Iraq.
Comment by gdm — September 4, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
If given a choice, I'll take serving in Iraq.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:15 pmIf Christie was in the Oval Office, it was probably as interior decorator.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:19 pmHmm…that’s a very strange interpretation. Almost concern-trollish.
How do you arrive at this conclusion?
Comment by mongo — September 4, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
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How? I have heard it said over and over again from some on the left. EVERYONE has the right to criticize. The only thing serving in the military does is give one insight into their methods. Period, end of story.
ANYONE who tries what John Soltz did is WRONG! Party affiliation should not have anything to do with it. That is what is wrong with both parties. Each one pulls the same bunk time and time again. In the end, we the people get the shaft.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:20 pmChristie is DEFINITELY gay. Another gay, black man on the Republican side.
Clearly, his GREED wins him over, beating out his and his peoples skin color, and those who want to love the same sex he secretly loves.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:20 pmJust because Soltz served he has more of right to judge the commmander in chief than anyone else? To gloat about your military service is pretty pathetic.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:21 pmComment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
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September 4th, 2007 at 8:24 pmIf Christie was in the Oval Office, it was probably as interior decorator.
Comment by OxyCon — September 4, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Actually I heard he got Monica's job.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:25 pmWe clearly need more patriotic Americans like Christie and Mittwit Romney's five military aged sons, who serve America well by being political hacks stateside, while the grunts do the easy lifting over in Iraq.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:26 pmJust because Soltz served he has more of right to judge the commmander in chief than anyone else? To gloat about your military service is pretty pathetic.
Comment by Tracy — September 4, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Well, since he is connected to the military veterans and soldiers, and because he is/was one, he certainly does have a little more insight into how they feel about the topic that was being discussed. THAT was the only point he was making.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:26 pmHe sat in the Oval Office.....On Bush's lap.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:26 pm"Umm… that’s not what Christie was trying to say, he was merely going to explain that Bush didn’t mean to insult anyone. But Soltz was denying him (Bush) the right to even express himself!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:22 pm"
christie wasn't denied the right to do anything. And whether bush intended to insult anyone wasn't the point. Soltz thought what he said was insulting, and he wasn't going to accept any spin that somehow he shouldn't be insulted.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:28 pmCross-eyed Christie. He worked for the administration for what 6 months? What does this jerk do for a living besides live at MSNBC's studios?
I couldn't believe that clip. Christie is a full-fledged bona-fide member of the Larry Craig support group for gays in denial.
What an ass.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:29 pm"Soltz didn’t say “about how the troops feel or should feel anout bush’s post presidential lecture fees.†Soltz didn’t qualify his statement like that.
Nice try.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:24 pm"
That *was* what they were discussing, after all. He didn't need to qualify it.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:30 pmMonica Lewisnky was in the Oval office. Who cares?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:30 pm"...little more insight into how they feel about the topic that was being discussed. THAT was the only point he was making."
Comment by troqua
Actually, troika, Jon Soltz has a little more insight into how HE feels about a topic. Period. My active duty brother has served multiple deployments in this war and HE is entitled to how HE feels about a topic.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:33 pmServing Cheney in stall number 1 is more like it. He's a republinut. That's what the do.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:34 pmChristy has also written a book titled: Black in the White House. FREE Super Saver Shipping at Amazon.com!!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:34 pmActually, troika, Jon Soltz has a little more insight into how HE feels about a topic. Period. My active duty brother has served multiple deployments in this war and HE is entitled to how HE feels about a topic. Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 4, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
And no one cares about HOW YOU FEEL, whiny b!tch. STFU.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:34 pmNot at that moment, it wasn’t. Soltz made an unqualified statement about not having to listen to anyone because he (Soltz) had worn the uniform!!!
Nice try.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
That Sounds just like the b!tch Aphrodite alright! I'm glad you called her an Ass, that was very honest of you for a change Mr. Pee!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:35 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — September 4, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Toodles!!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:36 pmCan anyone picture Christie serving in Iraq? He'll crap in his pants as soon as the plane touches down and cry for Dick Cheney to get him out of there. He'll be back in the oval office the next day saying he rather serve the country listening to Bush lie about how he cares about the troops.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:36 pmCaption Contest [Christie]: "I thought this was supposed to be the dating game."
September 4th, 2007 at 8:37 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — September 4, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Toodles!!
Comment by troqua — September 4, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Looks like mighty needs another diaper change, doesn't it? All of that toodles she spreads everywhere.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:37 pmSen. Larry Craig did absolutely nothing wrong in the airport men’s room. The cop got it wrong. Craig was listening to his I-pod at the time, for all you know. Craig should NOT resign.
Comment by Nelson — September 4, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
What were you in the stall or something?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:39 pmHe GAIVS, I see you've got your own web site. You had better run back over to it and make some corrections. While Jefferson has been indicted, there are at least 10, that's right 10, republicons who are currently under investigation for a wide variety of violations and offenses. It will take you awhile to research them so you better logon over there. Here's a hint: Ted Stevens, Don Young, Lisa Murkowski, and, that's only the Alaska delegation. I've given you a nice start, now run along. Before you start coming over here with your lack of data and facts, clean up your own site. It's 8:35 p.m., you've got a couple hours tops and your page will be nice and fresh for the bottom-feeders who visit it.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBesides the picture on his own website, does anybody have any actual verification that Jon Soltz served in Iraq?
Comment by Larry — September 4, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
LOL, redicurous!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:41 pmHe should NOT resign from the senate.
Comment by Larry
Hmm, he's not going to listen to a fool like you.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:42 pmLarry, I'm pretty sure Soltz has been thoroughly vetted. If he was a fake, don't you think he'd have been exposed by Rove by now?
From his HuffPo bio:
Jon Soltz, Co-Founder and Chair of VoteVets.org, is a leader of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans community and is originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division. During 2005, Soltz was mobilized for 365 days at Fort Dix New Jersey, training soldiers for combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. He also served his country with distinction in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000. Soltz is a graduate of Washington & Jefferson College with dual degree in Political Science and History. He has completed graduate work at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public and International Affairs.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:42 pmUnlike you Jon, I visited the whitehouse the other day while touring D.C.
While I was there I used the bathroom too. I even had a friendly Republican Senator from Idaho tapping at my foot. How's THAT for servicing...I mean serving your country?!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:42 pmGotta be some trouble in "River City", when they have to look that far down the bench for help. If it wasn't our republic imploding before our eyes, it would be rather funny. No one can take much pleasure watching this unfold. Scarry times, indeed.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:43 pmAnd Jake, wherever you are. Please do not plagiarize Soltz's military biography.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:43 pmRon Christie is exactly the kind of little whore the administration likes to keep around in case they need to throw someone under the bus in order to avoid a call for accountability.
And I will laugh when it happens.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:44 pmRon Christie is such a loser. I agree this guy must camp out at NBC. What does he DO for a living? He worked in the WH for like 6 months and suddenly, he's this great authority.
Cross-eyed Christie is a full-fledged member of the MarK Foley, Larry Craig, Mitch McConnell Closet Case Club. If Christie had wings he would have flown out of his seat on that Hardball clip. He's another closet case.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Do you think that MSNBC hasn’t confirmed his service?
Comment by ronjazz — September 4, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
haha, can't blame a guy for working under gannon rules, i suppose. fool me twice and all that, lol.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:45 pmHas anybody seen him in Iraq for those 4 months?
Has anyone seen YOU in Iraq EVER, Larry?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:45 pmHas anybody seen him in Iraq for those 4 months?
Comment by Larry
Of course not. Your wingtard friends are too busy fighting in the 101st Keyboard Commando unit to ACTUALLY spend time in Iraq.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:47 pmActually, the allegation against Craig is false. He is fighting it in court and he will be vinidated. He did nothing wrong and should NOT resign from the senate.
Comment by Larry — September 4, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Of course you know he pleaded guilty, right?
September 4th, 2007 at 8:48 pmActually, the allegation against Craig is false. He is fighting it in court and he will be vinidated.
Comment by Larry craig — September 4, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Well ok, he might be vinidated.
But he'll never be vindicated.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:48 pmHe sat in the Oval Office…..On Bush’s lap.
Comment by Largo
September 4th, 2007 at 8:48 pmFace first...
LOL!
Going to be hard to defend oneself after ALREADY PLEADING GUILTY.
F*cking retards.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:49 pmTo Conservativesoutdebateanti-warfoolseachtime
How dare you denigrate the Iraq service of Jon Soltz, calling him a treasonous soldier. He and I, a vet of two Vietnam tours, including one in special operations, truly care about our men and women in uniform. They are our brothers and sisters.
Conversely, they are nothing more than cannon fodder to Bush and his warmongering cowardly draft dodging neocon co-conspirators who have the blood of our soldiers and untold thousands of Iraqis on their hands.
I hope you noticed that Jon Soltz is no John Kerry. He didn't for a second take any shit from chickenhawk Christie, who incredulously attempted to equate combat service with his "hazardous duty" in the ever dangerous confines of the Oval Office.
And don't you dare describe service in a combat zone, where all soldiers are under constant threat of being killed or wounded by snipers or IEDs, as "negligible".
If you want to call those who have served our country honorably in wartime, putting ourselves voluntarily in harm's way and who have come to oppose war, especially an illegal, immoral war like the one Bush lied us into in Iraq, traitors, I have a deal for you. Call me a traitor to my face, and this old 69 year old will punch your lights our. I shouldn't say this, because I oppose violence in all its forms, but traitor is one of those words that sets me off.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:52 pmKinda like all of Romney's sons doing their duty for their country by campaigning for their dad. What hypocrites!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:52 pmHas anybody seen him in Iraq for those 4 months?
Comment by Larry — September 4, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Yea. His entire platoon. The press. And a process called photography.
What are you a moron? Can't defeat the message so you instantly attack the messenger? To the point where you just question a KNOWN veterans service?
Soltz went in in the early fighting and saw some of the worst.
Your attacking his service is a confession that you are beaten.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:52 pmChristie used to be in Bush's inner circle.
Alternating with Jeff Gannon for the Chimp's variety.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:54 pmActually, the guy has a point. If you serve with Cheney you do face the risk of getting shot by him.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:55 pmComment by Lt. Colonel Fred Seamon — September 4, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
That pretty much says it all. Thank you, sir!
September 4th, 2007 at 8:57 pmCNN, like larry, is also saying "alleged" after Craig signed a statement saying he was guilty and could not claim innocence.
He was really guilty of a worse offence, but the charges are always reduced if you plead guilty and save the court the time and expense.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:58 pmWow. I actually agree with #42 (veritas) on this one.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR @ 7:51 pm
that's because it was written by one of you namejacking
trooll buddies...
THAT WAS NOT VERITAS.
in case this has not been pointed out to you yet...
September 4th, 2007 at 9:00 pm...
Zooey, it's 9:00 pm---do you know which stall your senator is in?
September 4th, 2007 at 9:01 pm"He should NOT resign from the senate."
I agree. The longer he stays the longer this story stays in the news, the more it exposes the hypocricy of the Republicans, and the worse it makes them look. Hang in there and put up a fight Larry!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:04 pmDid anyone ever see W serve in the Alabama National Guard?
No!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:05 pmComment by CaptainVideo — September 4, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
I'm watching Abrams with Arianna on MSNBC right now. Apparently Larry is going to make a comeback. Yee-haw!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:06 pmSoltz…. what a douchebag!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR — September 4, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
A real douchebag is someone namejacking one of history's greatest military leaders while hiding behind a keyboard in Virginia. Only a real sh!thead like yourself would continue to write these childish comments about an actual combat veteran while failing to enlist in the military yourself. You constantly screech about killing "islamofacists", you claim to be 24 years of age, and yet you have yet to trot your hideous little troll ass down to the recruiting station.
You are a coward, a liar and a hypocrite, Pee.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:09 pmYou know Mr. Pee, I’m willing to bet that there isn’t one person on this site (other than your fellow trolls) who gives a shit about anything you say either.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 4, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
You know, I have to exclude myself from this statement. Frankly, it's rather fulfilling to read what Mr. Pee and the trolls are paid to type, just to re-enforce the fact that they are wrong-headed, morally and intellectually bankrupt parrots. This, I believe, helps the few fence-sitters realize how insane the Repubs have become. I'm not a fan of excessively feeding the trolls, but prodding them every once in a while usually produces more evidence of their ditto-head culture. I mean, come on, they're defending an idiot like Christie by bashing an Iraq war veteran. That only helps the progressive movement, IMHO.
So party on trolls! You helped oust the Repubs in '06, and you're doing a bang up job for '08!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThere is indeed a Vice Presidential Service Badge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_Presidential_Service_Badge
September 4th, 2007 at 9:11 pmThe White House Inner Circle Jerk.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:14 pmThere is indeed a Vice Presidential Service Badge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Vice_Presidential_Service_Badge
Comment by Mr. President — September 4, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
That will be the ONLY service a coward like you would ever have the b*lls to provide. Get off your fat stupid *ss and get to Iraq - Mr. Pees his pants because he's a coward!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:15 pmEver notice that whenever someone gives an argument that is a thousand times more logical, reasonable, and fact-based than anyone of Mr Pee's---------he responds with "nice try".
September 4th, 2007 at 9:15 pmJeez, now the troll is comparing some feel-good bs inner circle badge to - oh, I don't know, the Purple Heart.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:19 pmBin Laden wanted the US to invade and get bogged down in Iraq----depleting our treasury and our military-----just as the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan.
This has given the fundamentalist Islamist a tremendous recruiting tool and training ground. Saddam was successfully supressing them and was a buffer against Iran. This is why GHWB left Saddam in power when it would have been so easy to do a "regime change" in Spring 1991. This is why Reagan and GHWB supported Saddam so strongly.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:22 pmThere is a Presidential Service Badge as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Service_Badge
September 4th, 2007 at 9:23 pmIt's no wonder these guys are chicken hawks. They've actually convinced themselves that their thousand and one excuses for draft dodging does the country some good (ie Romney's sons).
September 4th, 2007 at 9:28 pmNPR's "News and Notes" has a daily round table discussion and I swear Christie is on three times a week. He says the stupiest shit while defending cheney/bush but the host keeps having him on. If it weren't so maddening his pathetic stchick would be funny,
September 4th, 2007 at 9:30 pmWho said I was an infidel?
September 4th, 2007 at 9:34 pmAbrams on MSNBC, talking about W always changing the definition of "success", reminded us that when young, W's cousin said he would change the rules of a game whenever behind--and if that didn't work, take his ball and go home.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:38 pmunless your last name is Ellison…hmmmm
Comment by ronjazz
I been found out!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 9:39 pmFirst off, I am no troll. I comment from time to time on this site under this name. Second, I spent 20 years in the Navy. Third, I am against this war and feel that GWB and Dickie Boy need to be impeached.
Having said that, I hate it when any former military tries to take a holier than thou attitude because they served and someone else didn't. I respect his position on the war, but his tactics are quite childish.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:40 pmI think it is wrong for someone to be strongly in favor of a war as long as his ass is not over there. As long as it is other people doing the sacrificing.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:44 pmTypical right wing bullshit. CHICKENHAWK, CHICKENHAWK, CHICKENHAWK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is a coward for his inaction not meeting his convictions and a complete moron to compare his pompous ass to anyone that has served our country.
September 4th, 2007 at 9:48 pm"i sat in the oval office"?
that's dangerous!
September 4th, 2007 at 10:05 pmYeah, Ron, I also have worn the uniform and served my country in other capacity since 1983, but you worked for a crazed, slimy neocon scum, you cross-eyed, cowardly cock-sucker.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:08 pmEnlist ,you punk.
I am a gay man.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:15 pmI have one word to say about this guy...FAG.
There's something rather amazing about people twisting up a quote when the actual quote is at the top of the column.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pmComment by Osama Bin Laden (R-Crawford) — September 4, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Hey, Osama! Where you at, man?
(Just thought I'd give it a try -- you know, alternative strategy to "The Surge (TM)" and all...).
September 4th, 2007 at 10:51 pmJust so ironic that our "president" is quoting Vietnam, when he worked so hard to avoid it (being AWOL and all). Ron Christie is a chump ass. I guess he is Cheney's turd blossom. They were fricking planning this war ten days after the election (eight months prior to the invasion).
BFD! If I sat in that Oval office, I would want to be fumigated and deloused. Christie is just another man that sold his soul. Sucking on the tit of the golden cow. Following their false God.
My neo-con money changing nephews know how I feel. They are a little embarassed these days, though. He-he-he.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pmLet's not forget that Five Deferments Dick shot his friend in the face...then made him publicly apologize for getting in the way of the coward's gun.
Yeah, Ron, serving in the Oval Office is REALLY risky. You should get the Medal of Honor for risking your life while Five Deferments Dick pulls the puppet strings for his Chimp.
All those in favor of putting Mr. Christie on patrol in Baghdad tomorrow with substandard armor in an underarmored HMVEE, say "AYE"
September 4th, 2007 at 11:37 pmI saw the show tonight and could NOT believe what I was hearing. I simply wanted to vomit when I heard that comment.
Ron is as robotic as a Stepford Wife. They must be giving him the extra strength Kool Aid intravenously.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:21 amChristie is gay (not that there is anything wrong with that). Most of the Bush cabinet is gay. Bush, an excheerleader, is now taken on the role of cheerleader-in-chief. very gay.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:40 amWhen Christie sat in the oval office he must have crapped his pants. How else can you explain the crap coming out of his mouth tonight. Amazing to say the least.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:42 am"A black republican is like a ..."
Someone help me with this joke, I forget the punchline.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:11 am>Christie is DEFINITELY gay. Another gay,
> black man on the Republican side.
Whose the other one? Condoleeza.?.. I know its hard to tell, but even having a camel toe that big doesnt qualify you as male...
# 15 >Soltz–despite his Iraq service which was very
> negligible–is no patriot,
Shut up Meagan Methead Afrodoppie.... you can dispense with the fake
"mymethranoutbutmymouthkeepsrunning" names...and sudden lack of parenthesis use. Everyone knows who you are, you sore-ridden social herpe. This is your myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
Your hobbies include: pretending to be a lawyer, pretending to be a soldier, pretending men and animals will come within 50 feet of you (with the help of photoshop), and sending the troops burnt brownies, that unfortunately never make it out of customs because you used those same trays to cook the wal-mart meth you just got done shooting up. Of course, you only send brownies and give your support to soldiers whose service is signifigant, not people like Murtha who have a measly two purple hearts and a puny single medal of honor. And running convoys in Iraq...thats pussy stuff, as obviously we have an enemy who would never stoop to guerilla tactics, like say, attacking supply lines. If I disagree with a soldier i'll rag on him like any other person, but im not going to denigrate and minimize thier service just because they wern't dodging RPG's every single day...
Will someone, at least once a thread that she appears on, call this dumb
c#nt out for who she is and tell her to STFU.
Whiteyfresh, are you up to the job? Notwhiteyfresh how about you?
September 5th, 2007 at 6:01 am“A black republican is like a …â€
Someone help me with this joke, I forget the punchline.
Comment by Trojan John — September 5, 2007 @ 3:11 am
The one I heard is "A black voting for a republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders"
September 5th, 2007 at 8:22 amAnd that, people, is exactly what a Piece of S___ who worked in the Oval Office sounds like...
September 5th, 2007 at 9:16 amSo he sat in the Oval office. Not close to sitting in a Humvee in Iraq. Only closer to the moron that sent people to sit in Humvees in Iraq.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:42 amSickening.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:04 amSickening.
Comment by USMC6002 — September 5, 2007 @ 10:04 am
I guess when you spend time around an AWOL NG Douchebag and a 5 deferment scumbag and a pasty-faced turd blossom, it does cloud your perspective as to what real service is like .... unless you count having bad knees from all that kneeling has brought on.
BTW, is that worth a Purple Heart? In Vietnam, we found you actually had to get wounded to get one of those.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:29 amRon Christie seems to be some self-loathing closet queen. He's Larry Craig's brain in the body of Sylvester, the disco diva. Ron's been in the Oval Office? On his knees in front of Jeff Gannon, no doubt.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:39 amBarney sits (and s#its) often in the Oval Office, also.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI swear the neocons would defend Satan before Jesus if it meant having to admit they were wrong or responsible for anything. Actually, they'd just defend Satan... he is, after all, a homey (pun intended for those South Park watchers).
Ron is typical of the party, and quite a token to be used to further the white manly-male-closeted-gay agenda. Perhaps he pals around with Romney's sons, drinking their Coors while discussing the dangers of weaving through the wallets of the D.C. elite.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:18 pmRon Christie - another White House closet case. My gaydar went bing-bing-bing! after this clown opened his trap. Stay out of airport bathrooms Ronny!
September 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pmAnother State of Denial character for the Immaculate Deceptions by rat pack Sammy Davis reincarnated in Washington DC
September 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWhat angers/chills me is that these chickenhawks really believe that their 'service' in the halls of power is just as important and heroic as risking life and limb in combat.
Mitt Romney's comments about his sons 'serving their country by working on their old man's campaign' is the quintessentially self-serving delusional nonsense these folks indulge in.
I can only hope that nobody is taken by this foolishness.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:23 pmProbably changed a lightbulb or two also...I guess that makes him an inventor just like Thomas Edison!
Actually, sitting with Cheney with Bush and Cheney makes him a fellow chickenhawk!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pm