Souter nearly resigned after Bush v. Gore decision.
By on Sep 4th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Souter nearly resigned after Bush v. Gore decision.
According to a new book on the Supreme Court by Jeffrey Toobin, Justice David Souter nearly resigned in the wake of Bush v. Gore because he was so distraught over the decision that effectively ended the Florida recount and installed Bush as president:
Toobin writes that while the other justices tried to put the case behind them, “David Souter alone was shattered,” at times weeping when he thought of the case. “For many months, it was not at all clear whether he would remain as a justice,” Toobin continues. “That the Court met in a city he loathed made the decision even harder. At the urging of a handful of close friends, he decided to stay on, but his attitude toward the Court was never the same.”
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i weep every day over it as well.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt is truly the worst travesty in the history of politics…
:(
September 4th, 2007 at 10:52 amThe United States is disintegrating because all of these Bushies wanted to have good books to write. Thanks for nothing.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:54 am#1 – “i weep every day over it as well.” Comment by grover nerdquist — September 4, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Due to this action, there are millions of Americans that weep right along with you.
I’m sure that, with a Pres. Gore, there would be 3000 more Americans alive today as well as 14 highly frustrated terrorists. A Pres. Gore would have listened to the “bin Laden to attack in the US” report, rather than ignoring it like Pres. Bush did.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:55 am#4
I’d venture to say there’d be closer to 7,000 more Americans alive, tens of thousands uninjured or maimed, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis still alive, and hundreds of billions of dollars still in the US Treasury.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:58 amit was a decision well worth crying over. It was a decision destined to ruin the very constitution our great land was founded on. The rest of these so called “justices” should be crying over their decision which has brought low this once great country. That they aren’t crying over it tells me all I need to know, justice is a farce in this country. Rich people beware.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amThe MSM is starting to throw chewed up cuds of anti-right information now that the market has shifted and neo-cons are on their knees and the left wing is gaining power. Effectively they are trying to get back on the good side of the left, and for what reason…..You got it…improve circulation. . ·$%&!” em. Stay with bloggers and away from the MSM.. It.s OK to read their stuff…But don´t pay for it.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:08 amnever mind if you put Bush in Jail everything will be forgiven but not forgotten
September 4th, 2007 at 11:09 amI hope Sandra Day O’Connor wakes up every night in a cold sweat. Talk about a traitor to democracy.
-GSD
September 4th, 2007 at 11:09 amThe 2000 SCOTUS appointment of Chimpy as President, in a blatant overstepping of their authority, will be remembered as the end of democracy and freedom in this nation, and the official beginning of the American Empire.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:11 amThe five absolutists don’t cry because they got what they wanted (I know, rehenquist is dead). Some people, such as rehenquist, had been working so hard to bring about a position of absolute power. We now have someone who thinks that he is totally in control and a screaming base of fewer than 30% of the population that also believe it. These people don’t like the Constitution because it gets in the way of the absolute ruler. It was easy for them to take the step toward ending the Constitution’s actual application to the average American’s life.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:16 amThank goodness he didn’t leave–we need more like him, not fewer.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:17 amIt was a masterful stroke and power grab. The ignorance of the American people was calculated by the likes of Rove and his henchmen. They had perfected election fraud (FL, OH, AL) along with jerrymandering districts (TX) and bet on the american public’s ambivilance.
The fall of an empire doesn’t have to come by outside invaders. It can come by a pen and a smile from those who say they are going to protect you.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:21 amSo, if Souter is a man of such principles, why did he not resign?
September 4th, 2007 at 11:23 ambush was never elected.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:24 amWho hasn’t lost a reason for living under this ‘interim dictator’?
http://www.strike911.org
September 4th, 2007 at 11:24 amRome’s democracy fell when Caesar crossed the Rubicon in charge of his army. I fear we have the same thing now with Bush as commander in chief.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amIn June of 2000, and intoxicated Greenberg Traurig lawyer was bragging about his meeting the day before with “Karl, Dubya, & Jeb” and was declaring that the election was “as good as over”. When I pushed him and said that I thought it was going to be close, and possibly come down to Florida, the smarmy f*ck smacked me on the shoulder and said. “Florida’s in the bag”.
And there will never be any indictments.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:26 am#14 – “So, if Souter is a man of such principles, why did he not resign?” Comment by celtic cynic — September 4, 2007 @ 11:23 am
It would have given Pres. Bush the chance to stack the court before Justice Rehnquist shuffled off this mortal coil.
It’s going to take years for the US to “get over” the right-whiner packed Supreme Court and their egregious decisions in support of big-business and big-government over the rights of “the little guy”.
Had Justice Souter resigned, evil would have flourished faster than it already has under Pres. Bush and the right-whining neo-cons.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:28 amTo this day I can’t understand what gave the court the authority to install our current president. There was no precedent. It’s a disturbing low point in America’s political history.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:29 amSo, if Souter is a man of such principles, why did he not resign?
Comment by celtic cynic — September 4, 2007 @ 11:23 am
… to help keep the country from total collapse?
i sure am glad that he did not resign…
September 4th, 2007 at 11:29 am…
celtic cynic sez:
Because he was convinced that resigning would only hurt the nation more. His resignation would only have allowed the Boy King to appoint yet another neocon frat buddy who would also gladly subvert the rule of law to aid this corrupt and criminal administration to continue transforming our nation into their own private empire.
Rather than resigning in disgust, as was his right, he elected to continue fighting for the American citizen. He deserves your respect, not your attempt to impugn his principles.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:30 amTHE SCOTUS is being replaced by what VV is bringing back from Australia; a Kangaroo.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:31 amMy attitude toward the court will never be the same either. I hold all entities the helped to install Bush in the presidency to be guilty at some level for his criminal acts. As a citizen, I bear some of that responsibiity myself. I haven’t slit my wrists, but I would expect that Repugs, if they had any sense of honor, would acknowledge their own roles and make restitution. Restore our rights, restore our honor and respect in the world, restore our treasury.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:34 amThey took it, they should give it back.
They took it, they should give it back.
Comment by Solitaire — September 4, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Greedy Old Pigs only take more.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:42 amIt was a legal decision by the majority, it was Gore that conceded really, he should have fought if he thought it was a miscarriage. He didnt
SCOTUS ruled correctly and then had the wisdom to not let those unique circumstances be used as precedent.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:48 amThe right wingers on the court who crafted the decision should be ashamed of themselves.
September 4th, 2007 at 11:59 amKudos to Justice Souter for agreeing to stay on. We’d have a lop-sided 6 to 3 in fav of the GOPrs instead of the 5 to 4 we have now.
And while we are on SCOTUS and Constitutional matters…
The most significant arm of our Constitutional Democracy is the Congress because it is more representative of the people. At no time is this statement more true than now giving a gone-haywire executive and its elected powers, the US High Court (SCOTUS).
If Congress does not take adequate and expedited steps to regain the usurped power by re-establishing itself (especially about putting a stop to the senseless Iraq War) when it resumes Quorum today, it will become more difficult for the poeple to regain the representative powers usurped by Bush, no matter what Party occupies the white house. The next President would be of the mind to not only follow Bush’s footsteps but in short order get bigger feet for even bigger shoes.
Watch what Congress does starting today. Will it be “Groundhog Day” as Dick Lugar (GOPr) of Indiana opined?
We’ll see if Harry Reid of Nevada is capable of growing a one even the chemical composition of Viagra couldn’t possibly bestow!
September 4th, 2007 at 12:04 pmI’m sure that, with a Pres. Gore, there would be 3000 more Americans alive today as well as 14 highly frustrated terrorists. A Pres. Gore would have listened to the “bin Laden to attack in the US†report, rather than ignoring it like Pres. Bush did.
Comment by Democrat Soldier
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Yes, and don’t forget that The Great and Powerful Gore would have already cured AIDS, cancer and halitosis…not to mention ending poverty and saving the planet from Global Climate Change.
If Gore had become President instead of ChimpskyMcHaliburton, there world peace, two three-day weekends per month and all food products would be 100% organic.
And everyone would love us, just like they did when Bill Clinton was President.
How did it all go so wrong?
September 4th, 2007 at 12:06 pmSo, Sandra Day O’Connor was a “right-winger” or not?
September 4th, 2007 at 12:08 pmComment by Ringo — September 4, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Looks like the needle on Ringo’s trusty Troll-o-Matic Spinner Wheel just landed on “Straw Man” again.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“How did it all go so wrong?”
Comment by Ringo
You bought a lemon.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:13 pmAnd everyone would love us, just like they did when Bill Clinton was President.
Comment by Ringo — September 4, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Thats right Dingo.
When Clinton was president, vast throngs gathered in the streets of foriegn countries like England, Ireland and Israel, and cheered and adored him.
When Bush travels to foriegn countries, vast throngs gather in the street, to call for his head and burn him in effigy.
What an accomplishment.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:16 pmBravo Justice Souter for agreeing to stay on. We’d have a lop-sided 6 to 3 in fav of the GOPrs instead of the 5 to 4 we have now.
And while we are on SCOTUS and Constitutional matters…
The most significant arm of our Constitutional Democracy is the Congress because it is more representative of the people. At no time is this statement more true than now giving a gone-haywire executive and its elected powers, the US High Court (SCOTUS).
If Congress does not take adequate and expedited steps to regain the usurped power by re-establishing itself (especially about putting a stop to the senseless Iraq War) when it resumes Quorum today, it will become more difficult for the poeple to regain the representative powers usurped by Bush, no matter what Party occupies the white house. The next President would be of the mind to not only follow Bush’s footsteps but in short order get bigger feet for even bigger shoes.
It remains to be seen what Congress does starting today. Will it be “Groundhog Day” as Dick Lugar (GOPr) of Indiana opined?
We’ll see if Harry Reid of Nevada is capable of growing a one even the chemical composition of Viagra couldn’t possibly bestow!
September 4th, 2007 at 12:17 pmEven in Austrailia, a country that has had a love affair with the US for the last 50 years, greeted the visiting tryant Bush, with mobs chanting for his head.
AUSTRAILIA!!!
:|
Crickey.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:18 pmIf not stoped….at some point Democrats would be still be RE-COUNTING votes in Florida FOR THE 1459 th time OR until they could have perpetrated a AL Goreilla win. NEVER MIND THE FLORIDA STATE ELECTION LAWS WRITTEN PRIOR TO THE ELECTION THAT ALLOWED FOR SUPREME COURT INTERVENTION.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:18 pmIf Justice Souter had not agreed to stay on, we’d have a lop-sided 6 to 3 in fav of the GOPrs instead of the 5 to 4 we have now.
And while we are on SCOTUS and Constitutional matters…
The most significant arm of our Constitutional Democracy is the Congress because it is more representative of the people. At no time is this statement more true than now giving a gone-haywire executive and its elected powers, the US High Court (SCOTUS).
If Congress does not take adequate and expedited steps to regain the usurped power by re-establishing itself (especially about putting a stop to the senseless Iraq War) when it resumes Quorum today, it will become more difficult for the poeple to regain the representative powers usurped by Bush, no matter what Party occupies the white house. The next President would be of the mind to not only follow Bush’s footsteps but in short order get bigger feet for even bigger shoes.
Watch what Congress does starting today. Will it be “Groundhog Day” as Dick Lugar (GOPr) of Indiana opined?
We’ll see if Harry Reid of Nevada is capable of growing a one even the chemical composition of Viagra couldn’t possibly bestow!
September 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pmNEVER MIND THE FLORIDA STATE ELECTION LAWS WRITTEN PRIOR TO THE ELECTION THAT ALLOWED FOR SUPREME COURT INTERVENTION.
Comment by Sanctimonious Bildo — September 4, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Never mind the US Constitution that prohibits Supreme Court intervention in electing the President.
Never mind that the Govenor of the state, who was the brother to the man running for President, called out the State Police to set up inspection roadblocks on election night, on the only road leading out of Broward county, where 16,000 Democrats lived.
Never mind that the woman (if you can call her that) that they put in charge of overseeing the recount, was the CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR THE COMMITTEE TO ELECT GEORGE W BUSH!!!
Never mind all that.
Just put on your armband, polish up your jackboots and Seig Heil yourself right into hell you festering self deluded inbred pig.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:22 pmNot elected, but “installed”.
Sounds like an easy fix would be to “remove” the cancer.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:33 pmJugger: “SCOTUS ruled correctly and then had the wisdom to not let those unique circumstances be used as precedent.”
What a load of bull. Hey stupid, can you find ANY other Supreme Court decision in which they specifically said the ruling couldn’t be used as precedent? There isn’t one. This part of the decision is how you know it was a completely political decision. Among constitutional law professors this is thought of as a disgrace to the court.
And, Ringo, before you dismiss the argument that the 9-11 attack wouldn’t have happened in a Gore administration, consider that Gore would most definitely have pushed the recommendations of his own commission, the Gore Commission. If any of his own recommendations had been implemented (reinforced cockpit doors, armed air marshals, increased check-in security, etc.), the attack might never have taken place.
Scalia and his little band of criminals did tremendous harm to our system and our country. Scalia will be remembered as one of the worst justices in the court’s history because of his brazenly political agenda.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:37 pmBilbo: “If not stoped….at some point Democrats would be still be RE-COUNTING votes in Florida FOR THE 1459 th time OR until they could have perpetrated a AL Goreilla win.”
Bullshite. The media consortium report clearly stated that if the entire state had been recounted, Gore would have won under ANY counting standard. The state-wide count would have been complete in just one more week at the time that the Supreme Court ordered a halt to the counting.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pmJust put on your armband, polish up your jackboots and Seig Heil yourself right into hell you festering self deluded inbred pig.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 4, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Wrong scenario there slick.
Just buttoned up the flap in my “long handles” strapped up my coveralls, grabbed my shotgun, flushed the handle and “said good-by to you” BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:40 pmEspecially if they allowed the 16,500 democrats in Broward county to go and cast the votes that the state police under the orders of Bush’s brother kept them from casting.
Gore would have overwhelmingly won.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmBush did not win the 2000 election, which is why he and he alone will always hold the dubious honor, of being the ONLY president in US HISTORY, to have his motocade stoned and pelted with rotten eggs by throngs of thousands on the way to his own innaugeration.
George W Bush. The most hated and despised thug to ever steal the office of President.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pmJust buttoned up the flap in my “long handles†strapped up my coveralls, grabbed my shotgun, flushed the handle and “said good-by to you†BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA.
Comment by Sanctimonious Dildo — September 4, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Grabbed your shotgun?
Is that what you guys are calling it now?
September 4th, 2007 at 12:47 pmBullshite. The media consortium report clearly stated that if the entire state had been recounted, Gore would have won under ANY counting standard.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 4, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
No….never happened….not the first time, the second or ever.
Now….you Democrats have had almost eight years to get your “peeps” into positions so that you can control elections no matter what the outcome. Are you ready for 08 or will we have to endure 8 more years of this endless whining?
September 4th, 2007 at 12:48 pmNow….you Democrats have had almost eight years to get your “peeps†into positions so that you can control elections no matter what the outcome. Are you ready for 08 or will we have to endure 8 more years of this endless whining?
Comment by Billy Hill — September 4, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Election fraud is your schtick dick.
We’ll win because most of the country has finally woken up, and seen you for the inbred backwater bootlicking goosestepping, bungling idiots that you are.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:50 pmBartlebee, in addition to the 16,500 additional votes, the Broward country judge was about to OK the counting of “overvotes.” Analysis shows Gore would have picked up another 8000 votes with these overvotes in which the voter checked the box AND wrote Gore’s name in just to make sure someone would know they were for Gore.
Gore won Florida. Gore won the popular vote. Republicans stole the 2000 election. The result is the world on fire we have today. Conservatives should be ashamed of themselves, but instead, they just make jokes and strawman arguments. Unbelievable.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:51 pmBillyHillbilly: “No….never happened….not the first time, the second or ever.”
You can shut your eyes as tightly as you want, hillbilly. The counting has been done. The in-depth analysis of all of those ballots ended years ago. And the results are published. There is no argument. If the Supreme Court had not forced the state to stop counting and if they had counted all the votes in Florida, Gore would have won the state of Florida under ANY counting standard.
September 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“inbred backwater bootlicking goosestepping”
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 4, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
If you are going to continue the hate speech please get you nationality’s right. Here is a primer for further use…..
“inbred backwater” is usually used for references to southern folk….
“bootlicking goosestepping” is used in reference to those of “German decent”….. Northern and upper midwestern….
Clue: Southerners are of Scottish, Irish and British decent….get it straight!
Put the hate where it belongs……….
September 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pmClue: Southerners are of Scottish, Irish and British decent….get it straight!
Put the hate where it belongs……….
Comment by Billy Hill — September 4, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
So were many Nazi sympathizers, including George’s grandpa, David Duke and any number of you RUBES that happily follow in lockstep. See ‘retard’, we understand what ALL of those words mean, unlike you, what you don’t understand is how effectively they identify a little brownshirt like you – despite your ‘claim’ to an ethnic shield to protect you!
September 4th, 2007 at 1:08 pmI hope Sandra Day O’Connor wakes up every night in a cold sweat. Talk about a traitor to democracy.
-GSD
****** You are right on.She along with the other 2 still on the court(Thomas & Scalia).How is it not treason to to forgo all the ballots cast in Florida (2000)is beyond me.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:08 pmNo….never happened….not the first time, the second or ever.Comment by Billy Hill — September 4, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Sure it did! Your denial doesn’t change history, loser, it only proves what a dumbass rube you are!
Gore WON the election, the court just like the GOP failed the nation.
Now….you Democrats have had almost eight years to get your “peeps†into positions so that you can control elections no matter what the outcome. Are you ready for 08 or will we have to endure 8 more years of this endless whining?
Comment by Billy Hill — September 4, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
You mean like the ENDLESS whining you trolls have done on here since 2006’s election? Your projection is BORING!!!
September 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pmBilly Hill sez:
Actually, Billy, yes, it did happen, your histrionic denials notwithstanding.
Um….excuse me??? Democrats getting into positions to control elections? Refresh my memory…who was (until recently) the Attorney general, and how many U.S. Attorneys were removed from office for spurious claims, only to be replaced by neocon operatives?
Billy, you absolutely embody the “pot, meet kettle” saying.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmBut … but … but … didntcha know? All the media said that Souter concurred with the [anonymous and cowardly] per curiam, at least as far as the EP violation goes…..
What could Souter possibly have been mad about?
Do you think the RW “spinners” (and the conservative majority) were telling lies, and the M$M was lazily following along?
Cheers,
September 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pmGeorge Bush IS president….
Al Goreilla is NOT…..
Who’s was John Kerry again ? Oh, now I remember, he was that billionaire ketchup guy with the weird wife who got shot in the butt some time back…..so he claims…
Who is Hillery Clinton again???? Oh yeah, the co-dependent wife of a serial adulterer and possible rapest….should be a good Democrat.
Who is John “Breck Girl” Edwards????? Oh….yes….the Multi-millionaire “Trial Lawyer”……and did you know this…..he drives a Ford (that says it all right there) sub-compact electric piece of crap….yes he does…….and has the biggest house in Alabama or where ever the hell he comes from.
WHAT A PACK OF LOOOOOOOSERS!
September 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmFor the record, Souter wrote a separate dissent at the time, and I never saw anything in the media about Souter “concurring” — the remedy of ceasing all recounts was approved by five to four (Kennedy, O’Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas in support; Breyer, Ginsburg, Souter and Stevens opposed). Seven justices (the five Justice majority and Breyer and Souter) INITIALLY agreed upon review that there might be Equal Protection issues in using different standards of counting in different counties. Although seven ended up determining there was indeed an Equal Protection violation, especially due to the fact that different standards are always used to count votes in a presidential election, only five agreed the recounts should stop. Two wanted to remand the case back to the Florida Supreme Court to permit the court to establish uniform standards of what constitutes a legal vote and then manually recount all ballots using those standards.
The view that the Florida Supreme Court acted contrary to the intent of the Florida legislature was rejected by six of the nine justices (Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas in support; Breyer, Ginsburg, Kennedy, O’Connor, Souter and Stevens opposed).
I think this was the best Supreme Court decision ever.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmBilly Hill:
Assume, hypothetically, that George W. Bush is NOT President — does that mean I can run (again)?
September 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pmSouter voted for this, what a guy.
By a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that governments may seize your business and even your home in order to facilitate private economic development schemes.
The Kelo case is a particularly egregious example of how the takings power can be abused. According to the Economist:
“The day before Thanksgiving 1998, Susette Kelo, a registered nurse, got
an unwelcome holiday gift: an eviction order. Her house, and those of
six other families living on an abandoned submarine base called Fort Trumbull,
had been compulsorily purchased. She had five months to get out.
“What is unusual about this is that her house is no rat-infested health hazard.
She bought and spruced it up three years before. Nor is it being seized by a
branch of government: the evictor is the New London Development
Corporation (NLDC), a private non-profit body.”
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=062305C
September 4th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI still find it amazing that the right-wing wanted every vote counted in Iraq but refused to count votes in the USA. Bunch of pr*cks.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:51 pmWhat a traitorous freaking pansy. I’m sick of these officials coming out after the fact trying to buff their image; Souter, Powell, and Tenet. What a bunch of lowlifes.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmMr. President: “Seven justices (the five Justice majority and Breyer and Souter) INITIALLY agreed upon review that there might be Equal Protection issues in using different standards of counting in different counties.”
IF this decision was about “equal protection,” why did the decision stipulate that it couldn’t be used as precedent?
Hillbilly, when people can’t address an argument, they often attempt to change the subject. That’s what you just did in your last post.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmFlorida recount study: Bush still wins
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
September 4th, 2007 at 2:08 pmDid anyone else miss one-minute speeches in the House of Representatives? I’m glad Pelosi is back from vacation; did she ever put impeachment back on the table?
September 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmHillbilly, when people can’t address an argument, they often attempt to change the subject. That’s what you just did in your last post.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 4, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
#63…………………Thanks Jazzist.
And so many more studies coming to the same conclusion.
I have not been serious in my posts about the 2000 election….its history.
There are few reasons I can think of as to why anyone on the left would want to continue to wallow in the loss as its wasted emotion.
Perhaps you can do a self-diagnosis and enlighten us as to YOUR particular need to continue this exercise in futility.
Therapy maybe?????
September 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmHere’s a thought for you Bush cultists: if you’re going to provide a link which you think supports your argument, it might be a good idea to read it. The article you cited says in plain English that if they counted all the votes statewide, Gore would have won by a slim margin. Hillbilly, I know this particular CNN article goes to great lengths to obscur the fact I’m trying to alert you to, but it’s there, nonetheless.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pmOK, I,m so sick of these hollier than thou Bush cultists thinking they know something they don’t, here’s the actual report, not an obfuscational article about the report: http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf
Scroll down to the table called “Statewide results” and look for yourself. Then, maybe you should consider the fact that our media has somehow given you a completely distorted opinion on how this study turned out.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“However, the double votes on both butterfly and caterpillar ballots were clearly invalid under any interpretation of the law.”
I don’t really want break the law Col. Jack. Sounds like you do though. Your confusing the cultists here, I thought we were the bad guys.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:50 pmJazzist, again, go look at the actual NORC report. I’ve provided the link. Scroll down to the table called “Statewide results” and see for yourself. This table counts ballots using the approved standards and lists the 4 different standards. By all standards and NOT COUNTING any disputed ballots, Gore wins every time.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI’d like everyone to keep in mind that our mainstream media looked at this report, saw the statewide results and then, almost universally, printed articles with headlines like “Study shows Bush would have won.”
Can any Bush cultist explain why a “liberal media” would have obscurred and hidden the real results of this study in this manner?
September 4th, 2007 at 2:55 pmJazzist: ““However, the double votes on both butterfly and caterpillar ballots were clearly invalid under any interpretation of the law.—
Even this is a distortion. The local federal judge in Broward country was, according to him, about to call for counting the “overvotes,” in which a voter not only marked the box, but wrote the candidate’s name on the ballot as well. His decision was that in these cases, there was clear voter intent. If they count these votes, Gore picks up about 8,000 more.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:58 pmhttp://covenantnews.com/dec13.htm
Game over…………….next!
September 4th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIt was the day the music died. We may never recover and guys like Karl Rove, David Addington, Ledeen, Feith, adnaseum; and the eventual winners because of the tragic decision could give a shit.
September 4th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI feel Justice Souter’s pain.
September 4th, 2007 at 3:26 pm#57 Mr. President:
Seven justices (the five Justice majority and Breyer and Souter) INITIALLY agreed upon review that there might be Equal Protection issues in using different standards of counting in different counties. Although seven ended up determining there was indeed an Equal Protection violation, especially due to the fact that different standards are always used to count votes in a presidential election, only five agreed the recounts should stop.
False. The cowardly per curiam falsely claimed that “[s]even Justices of the Court agree that there are constitutional problems with the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court that demand a remedy.” This is a lie. Souter and Breyer both stated that no remedy was demanded and in fact said the case should never have been taken (and are rather ambivalent as to whether there actually was any “constitutional problem” in the first place, saying that any that might arise could be best handled in other fashion, you know, like after there was an actual factual basis to work from?). For instance, here’s Breyer: “And the more fundamental equal protection claim might have been left to the state court to resolve if and when it was discovered to have mattered.” They both dissented. Not “concurring as to part I” (see the final sentence there) but “dissenting as to remedy”.
Cheers,
September 4th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOf course, the Florida SC was a bunch of Dem party hacks. And a recount showed Bush had a plurality. And the US HOuse of Rep would have voted Bush in anyways.
Souter is a typical self-absorbed monomaniac who should have packed it in and made the SCOTUS a more honorable institution. What a crock!
The Democrats regard the US Constitution as an obstacle in their project to turn America into a nanny-state. And talk-radio and the First Amendment are on their agenda for elimination—as is the right to bear arms.
September 4th, 2007 at 5:02 pmWarrant Officer Jack Ripper displays his IQ of 54 relentlessly. CNN is hardly a neutral source, no matter what it says. And the Gore-bot threw away Tennessee and Arkansas because they know him for the fraud & BS machine that he is.
Bush won in Florida, which wouldn’t have mattered had Gore won his native state!
Strap on a pair of frontal lobes, nitwit.
September 4th, 2007 at 5:05 pmDave in Boca: “Strap on a pair of frontal lobes, nitwit.”
Dave, I guess this is what passes for an argument in your section of the asylum common yard. Again, all you need to do is read the consortium report to find out that I am correct. If all the votes in Florida had been counted under any of the approved standards, Gore would have won Florida. Here’s the link again, Dave: http://www.aei.org/ docLib/ 20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf
Scroll down a few pages to the table called “Statewide results”. And, then can the b.s. about IQ. You have no real grasp of the facts in this case.
September 4th, 2007 at 5:24 pm#76 daveinboca:
Of course, the Florida SC was a bunch of Dem party hacks….
Wrong.
… And a recount showed Bush had a plurality….
Wrong.
… And the US HOuse of Rep would have voted Bush in anyways.
True, but at least then the political machinations (coup d’etat for those fluent in Cheese-eating-surrender-monkeyish) would have been more blatant than the Miami “Rent’A'Riot” by Republican staffers flown in by the Dubya campaign.
When you’re hot, you’re hot. One out of three. Maybe you should try for multiple choice; you’d start at 25% by chance and could work up from there.
Cheers,
September 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pmAnd, yet, he’s so damn sure he’s right. It’s pathological.
September 4th, 2007 at 5:38 pmMore “daveinboca” ignerrence:
The Democrats regard the US Constitution as an obstacle …
and:
And the Gore-bot threw away Tennessee and Arkansas because they know him for the fraud & BS machine that he is.
Bush won in Florida, which wouldn’t have mattered had Gore won his native state!
And where in the Constitution does it say that the legally elected president is the one who carries his own state?
Oh, yeah. Right…..
Eedjit.
Cheers,
September 4th, 2007 at 5:38 pmFox News was the FIRST to call Florida for Bush, and the other networks followed suit, because they didn’t want to be labeled as liberal by you right-wing HACKS…
September 4th, 2007 at 5:42 pmThanks for reminding us about one of the greatest moments in US History – the preservation of the constitution over whining liberals hell-bent on stealing an election and trying to win via Florida Supreme Court. What a sham those justices were. I think most have been voted off by the people.
Souter is a cry-baby. We need more on the court that don’t quit when associates don’t agree with him. Whaaaaa……whaa……… Sniveling lib.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:21 pmBush cultist: “Thanks for reminding us about one of the greatest moments in US History – the preservation of the constitution over whining liberals hell-bent on stealing an election and trying to win via Florida Supreme Court. What a sham those justices were. I think most have been voted off by the people.”
No, the Florida Supreme Court ruled that all of the State’s ballots should be counted. The Supreme Court ruling prevented the counting of the votes. Later, an independent study of the results showed that if all Florida votes had been counted under any of the approved standards, Al Gore would have won. That’s what happened, a-hole and I, for one, will not forget it. It was a judicial coup which installed a man as president who hadn’t won the election and the history books will remember it that way as well.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:26 pmCultist: “Whaaaaa……whaa……… Sniveling lib.”
Hey dumbass, do the names Cunningham and Boener ring a bell. They’ve been balling their eyes out on camera lately and last I checked, they’re both proud conservatives.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pm“#1 – “i weep every day over it as well.†Comment by grover nerdquist — September 4, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Due to this action, there are millions of Americans that weep right along with you.
I’m sure that, with a Pres. Gore, there would be 3000 more Americans alive today as well as 14 highly frustrated terrorists. A Pres. Gore would have listened to the “bin Laden to attack in the US†report, rather than ignoring it like Pres. Bush did.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 4, 2007 @ 10:55 am”
Unmitigated crapola. Gore’s boss, Hillary Clinton, and her minion, Bill, did nothing about Bin Ladin regardless of the intelligence which determined he was a threat. And I don’t recall Gore saying much concerning the issue, much less critisizing the Clinton Machine about their decision to ignore Bin Ladin even though he would have been handed over to the U.S.
Nope. “Green” Al would have been too busy saving trees to worry much about the lives of mere human beings.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:33 amBut back to the issue: You mean we were THAT close to getting rid of Souter and getting another Constitutionalist on the court? What made the poor guy change his mind?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:38 amAw, if Souter had resigned then he wouldn’t have been there to take away our property rights!! He didn’t realize at the time what he would have missed out on.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:28 am