Audience boos Brownback’s proposal to ban gay marriage.
Audience boos Brownback’s proposal to ban gay marriage.
At the Fox News GOP presidential debate tonight, correspondent Carl Cameron asked a New Hampshire woman whether she wanted gay marriage banned. Her answer — “Absolutely not” — received cheers from the audience. When Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) then said he believes the nation should have a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, the audience loudly booed. Watch it:
Transcript:
HUME: Let’s check in once again down at Young’s Restaurant with Carl Cameron. Carl.
CAMERON: Hi, Brit. Well, in this country, any discussion of family values now has sort of gone into what constitutes a marriage — a man and a man, a man and a woman, gay marriage. A lot of conservatives would like to see a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and we have a chance here to talk to Heidi Cherkot (sp?) of Dover, a state employee of Health and Human Services — social worker.
What do you think? Should there be a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage?
HEIDI: Absolutely not. We’re the state of “live free or die” and people should be able to marry the person they love.
CAMERON: Okay, so let’s take that question from Heidi Cherkot (sp?). And there you hear the reaction from Granite staters — the “live free or die” state — and pose this to Sam Brownback. Sen. Brownback, should there be a constitutional amendment banning marriage, and if so, why?
BROWNBACK: Answer to that is yes. And the reason is, this is a foundational institution. It is a foundational institution. I understand this is a divided audience on this.
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Who? Brownsomebody? Who?
Ohhhhh, THAT Brownback, the guy who is so far into the third tier that he makes Kucinich feel good about his own chances.
You might as well have used the headline, "The local hardware guy proposes to ban gay marriage", it would have carried as much weight.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:16 pmThis was Fox News hosted, I'm surprised.
Maybe we're finally turning a corner against idiots like Brownback!
September 5th, 2007 at 10:17 pmBrownback...third tier nobody. This is news?
Next thing you know there will be a thread attacking Thompson for having a beautiful wife. Oh wait, thats already been done.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:23 pmA gay person has the right to marry another gay person. It’s an individual right.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThat’s how you convenes people to go along with “allowing†gay marriage. Rights belong to individual not one group of people.
Oh my, did Brownback threaten to invade Pakistan or something?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:25 pmA gay person has the right to marry another gay person. It’s an individual right.
Really? Did you just decide that? On what basis?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pmAs usual, the professional and irredeemable fraudsters at TP refuse to tell the whole truth. The NH audience of RINOs did boo Brownback when he called for a ban on queer marriage, but that’s only because NH Repubs still slant much too libtardedly. You wouldn’t get this impudent reaction from a southern red state. Nonetheless, contrary to TP’s plot to make Brownback look “rejected,†Brownback did follow up immediately with a statement where he slammed gay marriage because of its deleterious effect on marriage rates as statistically proven in European countries. He also went on to stress that ONLY a mom and a dad could raise a kid in the most favorable way. This got just as loud applause from the questionable, NH audience, but TP’s too chicken to admit this! MORE IMPORTANT is the cheering the NH audience gave to Chris Wallace when he asked Ron “libtarded RINO†Paul why he wants to let Al-Qaeda dictate US foreign policy.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:31 pmRights, NOT given By God, nonetheless. Our Rights and FREEDUMBS WILL DESTROY US.
Read revelations chapter 18. KJV Bible.
I,m going to tpm cafe. this site is banning to many good comments.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:34 pmRon Paul..poster child for the irredeemability of the kooks who think islamosavage terrorists can be reasoned with, kooks who mostly inhabit the left.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:36 pmComment by RonPaulisaLIBTARDEDCLOWN — September 5, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
I take it you have a problem with libertarians. Interesting. So what Government regulation do you support? How much do you want the government to rule over your life? Can you list anything government does better than private industry?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:37 pmBrownback did follow up immediately with a statement where he slammed gay marriage because of its deleterious effect on marriage rates as statistically proven in European countries. He also went on to stress that ONLY a mom and a dad could raise a kid in the most favorable way.
Comment by RonPaulisaLIBTARDEDCLOWN — September 5, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
I do hope you'll be following up this mierdafest with some proof of these assertions. I can't wait to take them down...
September 5th, 2007 at 10:38 pmComment by RonPaulisaLIBTARDEDCLOWN
A whole lot of words there, with no coherent meaning to any of it........
September 5th, 2007 at 10:39 pmDid McCain call anyone a little jerk yet?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:41 pmAs usual, the professional and irredeemable fraudsters at TP refuse to tell the whole truth. Blah, blah, blah! Rant, wheeze, grimance!"
57% is 57%. "Same rights as traditional marriages" = "same rights as traditional marriages."
Maybe a majority of the wing-nuts in attendance at a Republican debate wouldn't support equal rights, but a majority of Americans do. Period.
And even quite a few Republicans now hold this position, whatever raving idiots on the far right, like RonPaulisaLIBTARDCLOWN, might think.
So TP is quite right. The right-wing is totally losing the debate on this point, to the extend that there's even a debate.
In ten years the "debate" over gay marriage rights will have about as much relevance as debating whether we "ought to give NEGROES the same rights as WHITES."
There was a point in the 60's and early 70's when "debating" the civil rights movement had some relevancy to the right-wing Republican base, but not even the far right bothers to talk about undoing the civil rights laws and refusing to allow blacks to vote today.
That ship sailed a long time ago and it's too late for the fascists among us to do anything about it. Same thing is happening with gay rights. The far right ass-clowns might not like it but they're going to have to learn to live with it.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:46 pmbut that’s only because NH Repubs still slant much too libtardedly. You wouldn’t get this impudent reaction from a southern red state.
Comment by RonPaulisaLIBTARDEDCLOWN — September 5, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
No, you wouldn't get this reaction from a red state, because those poor retards wouldn't have a clue as to what lies Brownback was telling, he used to many 2-syllable words.
By Nov. '08, there wil be no red states, and America will be free to be great again. It's just wonderful that a (R)etarded moron like this would encourage the government to deny rights that everyone else has to gays, but fight like hell against paying his fair share of taxes to be able to slam them here. Every post of bigotry, cowardice and ignorance by the right moves them further away from the 70+% of Americans who understand and value freedom, and closer to historical levels of irrelevance. Thanks, TP, for allowing these losers to show their true colors so we can fight them more effectively.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pmWhy are the RIGHTS of GAYS, PEDOPHILES, BESTIALS, TRANSEXUALS, POLYGAMISTS, and INCESTS,,, always pushed upon this population by JUDGES?
Why are the JUDGES who interpret THESE rights basing it upon the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965,,, when in 1965 NONE of these RIGHTS were recognized by the CONGRESS that SUPPOSSEDLY passed them?
Why did it take 40 some odd years for JUDGES to (the congress of 1965 sure did not recognize) recognize GAY RIGHTS in this ACT,,, and at the same time CHANGE other laws those same congressmen had made,,, Sodomy, Marriage, Adoption....
If as TP claims 57% are for HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE why don't they now follow the PROPER course of LAWS in this country and pass it in CONGRESS? Why still go to the JUDGES who INTERPRET what THEY want?
Why won't other RIGHTS polygamy, incest, pedophilia, bestiality etc.... also be acknowledged in the same manner as the GAY RIGHTS?
Should YOU care how the RIGHTS are made,,, as long as the group you support is on the JUDICIAL winning side?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pmSame thing is happening with gay rights. The far right ass-clowns might not like it but they’re going to have to learn to live with it.
Thats right! Because if the left cant win with popular support they will simply legislate everything into existence and tell us its for our own good. Just relax and accept it.
About time that the government told us what is best for us and made all the decisions. I cant wait for Edwards to become POTUS so we can all have our regular medical check-ups enforced by bayonet.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:58 pmIn ten years the “debate†over gay marriage rights will have about as much relevance as debating whether we “ought to give NEGROES the same rights as WHITES.â€
There was a point in the 60’s and early 70’s when “debating†the civil rights movement had some relevancy to the right-wing Republican base, but not even the far right bothers to talk about undoing the civil rights laws and refusing to allow blacks to vote today.
That ship sailed a long time ago and it’s too late for the fascists among us to do anything about it. Same thing is happening with gay rights. The far right ass-clowns might not like it but they’re going to have to learn to live with it.
Comment by Cugel
VERY CORRECT,,,,
But don't stop there,,,,, How much longer must we wait for PEDOPHILES, BESTIALS, POLYGAMISTS, INCESTS, ETC to also get thier RIGHTS?
Do YOU think ONE day YOUR going to have to live with other RIGHTS you might not approve of?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:01 pmCaught you in a lie.
I read the poll:
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Aug. 6-8, 2007. N=1,029 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
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"Do you think marriages between homosexuals should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?"
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Should Should Not Unsure
September 5th, 2007 at 11:03 pm% % %
8/6-8/07
40 57 3
You sure they weren't just booing Brownback?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:03 pmI cant wait for Edwards to become POTUS so we can all have our regular medical check-ups enforced by bayonet.
Yuppers, though Eddie never did explain what would happen if someone refused to go to the doctor for a regular exam.
If someone refuses to go, will their universal coverage be denied...and how can it be denied if its universal coverage?
Catch-22, the remake, starring John Edwards as Capt. John Yossarian.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:03 pmHow do we know that the 57% approval on Marriage is a LIE....
Because YOU and I (or our congressman or woman will never get to vote on it).
September 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmThe poll states most Americans are agianst gay Marruiage.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:04 pmTP has lied!
Hey Scooter ? I thought you folks were for State's Rights? Well it looks like State's are deciding.
Besides, I bet you're one of those bathroom toetappers. Right?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmDo YOU think ONE day YOUR going to have to live with other RIGHTS you might not approve of?
The left doesnt live by the rules, they just make them.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pmMore from the poll!
"Do you think marriages between same-sex couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?"
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Should Should Not Unsure
%
%
%
5/10-13/07
46
53
1
5/8-11/06
September 5th, 2007 at 11:06 pm42
56
2
scooter
September 5th, 2007 at 11:06 pmTP Lied!
Read the Poll!
So "Scooter Pie" here ...
Might be upset because the issue that was going to keep the Republican Party in a "permanent majority" just when down the crapper.
A Republican, at a Republican Presidential Primary Debate, run by FOX no less, just got booed and loudly by the crowd.
There goes 2008 for the GOP.
Have a nice night Scooter.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmWhen is the RESEARCH for PEDOPHILES going to begin,,,,
You know the same stuff that tells us they are BORN that WAY and it's all about LOVE. (like the gays)
The REAL research (with a predetermined goal) does not begin until the last deviant behaivoir is passed,,, GAYS RIGHTS.... I do believe we are ready for the next step,, how about YOU?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:08 pmHey TPers,
I read the poll.
57% oppose Gay Marriage Rights!
Ha ha you lied!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmA Republican, at a Republican Presidential Primary Debate, run by FOX no less, just got booed and loudly by the crowd.
Yeah, wow, what a wild night. A republican who barely clears 3% and isnt exactly a household name outside of his own neighborhood gets booed.
Hoooo weee, its the downfall of the GOP alright.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmHey Scooter?
Ever seen two gals kiss? Does that repulse you too?
Why do you hate Gay people so much?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:10 pmzappodave ,
I support Polygamy!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmLet's legalize it!
Hey Scooter ? I thought you folks were for State’s Rights? Well it looks like State’s are deciding.
Besides, I bet you’re one of those bathroom toetappers. Right?
Comment by zappodave
I'm about as supportive of states determining GAY RIGHTS as YOU are on states determining ABORTION.
I'm actually more so, as I believe CONGRESS should decide both...
September 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmHey Scooter?
Why is it that time after time - the one's that protest so much like yourself over Gay rights, are the one's that wind up getting caught in the bathroom smoking another man's joint? (tap tap - tap tap tap)
Just curious? Why is that?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:12 pmscooter,
TP lied!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:12 pmRead the poll!
Hey Scooter?
Ever seen two gals kiss? Does that repulse you too?
Why do you hate Gay people so much?
Comment by zappodave
DITTO,,,
Ever seen a BROTHER and SISTER KISS? Does that repuse you too?
Why do you hate INCESTUAS people so much?
PLEASE use this for PEDOPHILE, BESTIALS, POLYGAMISTS, ETC.... Rights baby Rights
September 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pmGood point scooter. Bestialists are BORN that way, dont you know, and need to be accepted into our forgiving multicultural society. Fourth grade field trips to the zoo are going to become quite the adventure for the little tots.
And lets not forget the muslim honor-killers who hack apart their daughters because they wore tight jeans...they need to be accepted too.
Lets also not forget the folks who want to perform female circumcisions on toddlers, they need to be respected as part of our society.
Cant wait for this; we might not like it but we're going to have to live with it.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:14 pmHey Scooter?
Why is it that time after time - the one’s that protest so much like yourself over Gay rights, are the one’s that wind up getting caught in the bathroom smoking another man’s joint? (tap tap - tap tap tap)
Just curious? Why is that?
Comment by zappodave
zappo,,, can this be used to say something about YOU considering you MAY oppose PEDOPHILE RIGHTS?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pmAnd I emphasize MAY due to your current LOGIC.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
These bigots against gay marriage are just afraid the gays will be better at marriage than they are.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:15 pmPEDOPHILE RIGHTS ?? Scooter
Are there not laws in place now against pedophiles?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:16 pmDo YOU think ONE day YOUR going to have to live with other RIGHTS you might not approve of?
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Hey, nobody's shot you yet, so obviously we're all living with RIGHTARDS we don't approve of. Your pride in your bigotry and ignorance marks you as one of those hill folk that Deliverance was based on, so really, go back to making it with your goats, but don't do it in the open, because that's still illegal. As far as the rest of your list goes, pedophiles, bestiality, polygamy and incest, take it up with your GOP, they're the ones doing all that stuff, and getting away with it. You're wasting your time yelling about it here, we don't support any of that. Gay marriage, however, is another thing entirely, and you'll find that we civilized people support it because it harms nobody, and it's not really any of our business, or yours. And as far as judges are concerned, all you're really saying is that you don't believe in the Constitution or American law and custom, so why should anyone listen to a word you have to say? You're not an American, you have no say on this subject. Therefore, gays will attain the rights we all have, and sooner than later. This is a liberal country, that's what keeps us strong and free. The only time we are weak and in danger is when conservatives steal the government, like right now, when China could destroy us justby shutting off the money. That's what the GOP has brought us; danger from terrorists, danger from China and Russia, danger from within. Gays marrying are not a danger, not even to ignorant bigots like you.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:17 pmAhhhh let's hear all those bathroom toe tappers chime in against Gay Rights.
Cracks me up.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmAgainst gay marriage ...don't marry one. against abortion...don't have one. Stop pushing your ideology on me...take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmLets start a wager on what future RIGHT will be the NEXT one to follow in the footsteps of GAY RIGHTS.
HMMMMM,,, pedophilia, bestiality, incest, polygamy, obesity, short folks, redheads, and hockey players named RALPH...
I'm going with the PEDO'S,,, they seem to have the best help with the LIBTARDS and ACLU,,, giving moral support to NAMBLA,,, (north american man boy love association)
This could change very quickly however if any other RIGHTS look KINDLY upon the LIBTARD ideology.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmYou sure they weren’t just booing Brownback?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 5, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
You mean on general principles? That would be pretty cool at a FOX-sponsored Repig "debate". I thought it was a meeting of the Stupid Blow-dried Closet Club.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmAt least you are admitting you are picking and choosing. Now.
The problem with that arguement is the Right Wing and Republicans are supposed to the the champions of State’s Rights, not Democrats, don’t you agree? Therefore you’re position is twisted.
Comment by zappodave
Dave,,, one side is no more picking and choosing than the other... Or don't you think LIBTARDS are PICKING.
Furthermore,,,, both GAY RIGHTS and ABORTION were not passed by CONGRESS but by JUDGES. Massachusetts being the exception.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:22 pmAgainst gay marriage …don’t marry one. against abortion…don’t have one. Stop pushing your ideology on me…take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
Against exposing yourself to kids, dont do it. Against walking naked through the mall, dont walk there. Against hearing someone call you a racial slur, close your ears.
Take responsibility for yourself, thats rich. Ill remember that next time I openly carry a handgun through San Franciso or demand that a welfare-abuser prove they cant work.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:23 pmRON,,,, your definition TODAY on what HARMS us is as different 40 years ago (back then GAYS were mentally unbalanced and harmed each other) as in the next 40 years YOU have NO idea where RIGHTS are going.
Or do you think YOUR counterpart 40 years ago also saw the progress of GAY RIGHTS.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:24 pmCan you list anything government does better than private industry?
Comment by Kevin — September 5, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
How big a list do you want? Can you list anything that private industry can do better than government?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:26 pmIm surprised the new dem houses havent pushed this issue, considering the groundswell of support it has from the American people.
Must be an election year coming up....what are they afraid of?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pmFurthermore,,,, both GAY RIGHTS and ABORTION were not passed by CONGRESS but by JUDGES. Massachusetts being the exception.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
Judges are part of the system, Scooper. YUou're inability to accept that disqualifes you from discussing the issue. Nothing you say has any relevance. Thsi is America, not Scooperville.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:28 pmthe year 2030,,, JUDGE miller rules that the AGE of CONSENT is discriminatory towards citizens of this nation that are very young. He therefore rules that societies laws on ADULT are changed to 10 and PEDOPHILES the world over REJOICE and set up a REAL PARADE,,, (not one of those boring GAY one's)
He uses the prior precedent of the 1965 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT and says he only follows the same precedent of other judges changing,,, Sodomy, Marriage, and Adoption for GAY RIGHTS.
The future's sooo bright ,,,, gotta wear shades.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:29 pmCan you list anything that private industry can do better than government?
Ill take a stab at it: create and foster an entreprenurial spirit which currently provides us access to so many cool things.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThsi is America, not Scooperville.
Comment by ronjazz — September 5, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Poor scooter...afraid of his own thoughts.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmJudges are part of the system, Scooper. YUou’re inability to accept that disqualifes you from discussing the issue. Nothing you say has any relevance. Thsi is America, not Scooperville.
Comment by ronjazz
They sure are,,,, they are needed to determine MORE rights than the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965 recognized.
Those bigots back then,,, recognizing BLACK and WOMENS rights but not GAYS....
YEP,,,, Judges just part of the system...
When they recognize RIGHTS YOU don't like will they be part of the SYSTEM then? Or will you just become a simple minded BIGOT that revels in being a PEDOPHOBE?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:32 pmNext thing, scooter will be demanding that women wear head scarves.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:32 pmKeep going scooter, your opponents have been reduced to ad hominems.
This has been quite the one-sided show so far.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmI agree that marriage is going downhill in the country and that the government should step in a do what it can to save this valuable institution. In order to fight the real cause of the breakdown of marriages, I support a constitutional admendment that would ban all divorces and would make adultary a federal crime punishable by 20 years in prison. THAT would save the sanctity of marriage.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmOr do you think YOUR counterpart 40 years ago also saw the progress of GAY RIGHTS.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
I fought for gay rights 40 years ago, and I won. And I'm not even gay, but I am a true American, believing in freedom for all, not bigotry and fear. I have been a civil rights activist for 45 years now, and I don't separate out the citizens needs like you do, scooper. All Americans are free and equal, that's my position. Incest, bestiality and pedophilia are illegal, for good reason. Homosexuality isn't, also for good reason. Polygamy is an interesting question, but I'm not going to fight for polygamist's rights; they have enough problems. I know this for a fact: the GOP has done far more damage to America than all the gays in the world could do, ever. If anything should be outlawed, it's the Republican Party.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pmPoor scooter…afraid of his own thoughts.
Comment by jb
Actually,,, I welcome all RIGHTS and societies abilty to determine them.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pmSuch as PEDOHILE, BESTIAL, INCEST, POLYGAMY, etc...
When YOU support GAY RIGHTS and not the OTHERS then the FEAR becomes quite apparent.
When they recognize RIGHTS YOU don’t like will they be part of the SYSTEM then? Or will you just become a simple minded BIGOT that revels in being a PEDOPHOBE?
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
Judges hand down decisions all the time that I don't like. The SCOTUS handed this country to an evil sociopath in 2000, a very bad, unConstitutional, illegal, immoral, totally political decision based on money and power. I don't blame all judges, and I'm not about to throw the whole system out because of a handful of traitors. They can be dealt wth once we flush your party of pedophiles and mul--f*ckers.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWhen they recognize RIGHTS YOU don’t like will they be part of the SYSTEM then?
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Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
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They already do....Bigot christians have the right to breathe and shoot off their big mouths and I don't like it, but I accept that everyone has the right to be as stupid as they want to be as long as they don't infringe on my rights. Hence my suggestion: Against gay marriage …don’t marry one. against abortion…don’t have one. Stop pushing your ideology on me…take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmscooper, you are so obsessed with the pedophile, bestiality, etc. list that you are starting to sound pretty weird. are you just another filthy pervert? you sure sound like one.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:38 pmI fought for gay rights 40 years ago, and I won. And I’m not even gay, but I am a true American, believing in freedom for all, not bigotry and fear.
Baloney. You once referred to Oklahoma as "Oklahomo"...right here on this very site.
Dont be dishonest in your attempt to defend.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:38 pmI fought for gay rights 40 years ago, and I won. And I’m not even gay, but I am a true American, believing in freedom for all, not bigotry and fear. I have been a civil rights activist for 45 years now, and I don’t separate out the citizens needs like you do, scooper. All Americans are free and equal, that’s my position. Incest, bestiality and pedophilia are illegal, for good reason. Homosexuality isn’t, also for good reason. Polygamy is an interesting question, but I’m not going to fight for polygamist’s rights; they have enough problems. I know this for a fact: the GOP has done far more damage to America than all the gays in the world could do, ever. If anything should be outlawed, it’s the Republican Party.
Comment by ronjazz
Nice to see your INVOLVED in the system....
How about letting the rest of us in where WE have a say too,,, LIKE VOTING
Sad to see your a HYPOCRITE for not supporting others RIGHTS (and if you don't support them then recognize the process they will copy).
Maybe you don't know about the folks that support these other RIGHTS,,,, just waiting for JUDGES to make them LEGAL too.....
Alls well that ends well,,,,,, ehhh
September 5th, 2007 at 11:39 pmAgainst gay marriage …don’t marry one. against abortion…don’t have one. Stop pushing your ideology on me…take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
Comment by jb — September 5, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
How dare you infringe on the rights of the intolerant like that! Can't they be allowed to hate in peace?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:39 pmLike I said, ad hominems, witness the regression of ronjazz and jb.
Game. Set. Match. Scooter.
This has been a dismantling of epic proportions.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:41 pmHow dare you infringe on the rights of the intolerant like that! Can’t they be allowed to hate in peace?
Comment by toasterhead — September 5, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
I'm sure they will continue no matter what I say.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:41 pmThey already do….Bigot christians have the right to breathe and shoot off their big mouths and I don’t like it, but I accept that everyone has the right to be as stupid as they want to be as long as they don’t infringe on my rights. Hence my suggestion: Against gay marriage …don’t marry one. against abortion…don’t have one. Stop pushing your ideology on me…take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
Comment by jb
JB,,,, against pedophile marriage... don't marry one.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:42 pmagainst bestial PARADES,, don't go to one.
against INCEST couples don't be one,,,, stop pushing your ideology on me .... ETC ETC
take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
I must agree with the earlier poster. I wish to responsibily carry a gun in public and of course no one will have a problem with that since I am being responsible and not pushing my ideology on anyone.
Dont like guns? Ok with me, dont carry one.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI wish the republicans would get some real balls in being pro marriage and go after divorce. You in Newt?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmJB,,,, against pedophile marriage… don’t marry one.
against bestial PARADES,, don’t go to one.
against INCEST couples don’t be one,,,, stop pushing your ideology on me …. ETC ETC
just get rid of Republicans scooper, all of that will go away.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmthe year 2030,,, JUDGE miller rules that the AGE of CONSENT is discriminatory towards citizens of this nation that are very young. He therefore rules that societies laws on ADULT are changed to 10 and PEDOPHILES the world over REJOICE and set up a REAL PARADE,,, (not one of those boring GAY one’s)
He uses the prior precedent of the 1965 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT and says he only follows the same precedent of other judges changing,,, Sodomy, Marriage, and Adoption for GAY RIGHTS.
The future’s sooo bright ,,,, gotta wear shades.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
This, I assume, must be some sort of twisted fantasy you use to jerk off with.
Maybe you should find a consenting adult and live out your fantasies that way.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmJB,,,, against pedophile marriage… don’t marry one.
against bestial PARADES,, don’t go to one.
against INCEST couples don’t be one,,,, stop pushing your ideology on me …. ETC ETC
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Thanks, I won't if you won't.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHow dare you infringe on the rights of the intolerant like that! Can’t they be allowed to hate in peace?
Comment by toasterhead
YEP,,,, I'm soo intolerant that i'm asking this country to pass GAY RIGHTS laws in CONGRESS.... just like the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT was passed for BLACKS and WOMEN.
You are so liberated that you approve of the process wherby I (and everyone else) has no say in the matter.
LIBTARD liberation at its best,,,,
September 5th, 2007 at 11:45 pmAd hominem'er #3 in numfar.
So much for "Think Progress".
September 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pmThis, I assume, must be some sort of twisted fantasy you use to jerk off with.
Maybe you should find a consenting adult and live out your fantasies that way.
Comment by numfar
YOUR opinion of who is an ADULT and just what constitutes CONSENT will be very different from what a future JUDGE will view it.
Just look at societies view on GAY RIGHTS 40 years ago VS. today and copy that for OTHER RIGHTS.
PLUS,,, in that DAY you will be a BIGOT and have NO SAY in the matter or VOTE. NICE ehhhhh
September 5th, 2007 at 11:48 pmHoly crapoly, I leave for awhile and come back to this? WOW, Ive never seen the libs so...so...so...silenced.
Heh, I wont read all the posts but its not looking good for the resident libtrolls.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI has no say in the matter.
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
You can SAY whatever you want.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:49 pmYou can SAY whatever you want.
Comment by jb
I'd assume you would recognize that this means a VOTE on the MATTER or ,,, a congressman VOTEING on the MATTER (can be voted out by you).
I now recognize LIBTARD ideology has rendered you MUTE when it comes to recognizing societies RIGHTS and VOTING....
September 5th, 2007 at 11:52 pmOops...my bad...I didn't realize scooter was a troll full of douchebaggery.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:53 pmI don't know why BROWNBACK is pushing for a LEGISLATIVE BAN on gay marriage,,, when all he needs to do is follow the example of the GAY RIGHTS LOBBY and just get a JUDGE to do his (DIRTY) work for him?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI hate to point this out, but the CNN poll sited states the OPPOSITE of what is claimed. 57% do NOT think that gays should have the same rights for marriage.
*sigh*. Still too many backwards people in this country that think that there is choice in area of sexual preference. It's purely out of bigotry, with the backdrop of "christian" values.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:55 pmA recent CNN poll found that 57 percent of the American public believe gay marriages should have the “same rights as traditional marriages.
Liar. That poll says 57% oppose such rights.
http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm
September 5th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Youve done well scooter, thanks for the show. Even ronjazz has been silenced and he is usually good for a few slurs when he starts to lose.
Night all, its workie workie time in a few hours.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:56 pmOops…my bad…I didn’t realize scooter was a troll full of douchebaggery.
Comment by numfar
Do you think the SUPPORTERS of PEDOPHILE RIGHTS will use this comment on YOU when they are recognized by a JUDGE too?
NAHHH,,,, they will probably be a little to high class for that..
September 5th, 2007 at 11:56 pmI now recognize LIBTARD ideology has rendered you MUTE when it comes to recognizing societies RIGHTS and VOTING….
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
I've been married for 35 years and I don't want anybody voting as to whether my marriage is legal or not. Nobody elses business by that of my wife and myself.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:57 pmscooter needs an outlet. i'm not offering up mine. but, there's got to be one in somewhere. Try Nevada, sir squeaky.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:58 pmHey, with such gross factual error, this could be the perfect opportunity for ThinkProgress' first ever correction to a misleading claim in an article.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:58 pmAnyone want to bet that happens before the sun burns out ?
Such great standards here.
A recent CNN poll found that 57 percent of the American public believe gay marriages should have the “same rights as traditional marriages.
Liar. That poll says 57% oppose such rights
Of course it was a LIE to begin with.... the fact the GAY LOBBY is not TAKING it to the people is all WE need to know about societies opinions
September 5th, 2007 at 11:59 pmwhy do you have such a huge hard on over gay rights, squeak?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:01 amNow, if I think christians should be castrated after the birth of their second child and managed to pass such a law, would you want a judge to strike it down?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:01 amI’ve been married for 35 years and I don’t want anybody voting as to whether my marriage is legal or not. Nobody elses business by that of my wife and myself.
Comment by jb
GREAT.... then recognize the 50 year old GEEZER and his 12 year old (very mature) wife is none of YOUR BUSINESS either.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:01 amYEP,,,, I’m soo intolerant that i’m asking this country to pass GAY RIGHTS laws in CONGRESS…. just like the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT was passed for BLACKS and WOMEN.
You are so liberated that you approve of the process wherby I (and everyone else) has no say in the matter.
LIBTARD liberation at its best,,,,
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
I do approve of the process, as well as the process of judicial review that correctly strikes down "Defense of Marriage" hate legislation.
See, a functioning democracy needs all three branches in order to function. The legislative and executive branches are subject to the political whims of the many interest groups that manipulate public opinion.
Without judicial review, we'd still have segregated schools, interracial marriages would be banned, housing discrimination would be legal, arrested suspects would not be guaranteed a lawyer or even be notified of their rights at the time of their arrest, prior restraint would be legal, and the government could arrest and imprison you for speaking against it.
Is that the type of country you'd rather live in?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:01 amScooter, children are already protected by law. Between consenting adults its nobody elses business.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:05 amEverything that TP posts is incorrect, and anyone with at least half a brain realizes immediately that TP is blatantly lying.
And, no, they will not correct the post.
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 12:03 am
just what are a master of, p?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:05 amWithout judicial review, we’d still have segregated schools, interracial marriages would be banned, housing discrimination would be legal, arrested suspects would not be guaranteed a lawyer or even be notified of their rights at the time of their arrest, prior restraint would be legal, and the government could arrest and imprison you for speaking against it.
Is that the type of country you’d rather live in?
Comment by toasterhead
Would we still have that? How about SLAVERY? How was it abolished? How about womens SUFFRAGE? How about the civil rights act of 1965? What did that change?
Your assumption that WE would not have changed these is ridiculous at best.
How is the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965 related to GAY RIGHTS when nothing was done FOR gay rights when they passed it? How can judicial REVIEW interpret that?
How come when they passed this act in 1965 they did not also change SODOMY? They had HOMOSEXUALS back then you know....
How come YOU are defending JUDICIAL ACTIVISM and calling it REVIEW when you should be pushing CONGRESS to extend the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT towards GAY RIGHTS? Is BAD LAW good, just for groups you approve of?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:08 amMaster p.. where? little sniveler? that;s the question.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:08 amThen I'm sure that Hillary will make this issue the centerpiece of her campaign.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:09 amDo you think the SUPPORTERS of PEDOPHILE RIGHTS will use this comment on YOU when they are recognized by a JUDGE too?
NAHHH,,,, they will probably be a little to high class for that..
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
Why are dumbsh!ts like scooter (and that's a wonderful image; why not get your dog's worms treated?) unable to distinguish between adult relationships and pedophilia?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:11 amand if not, frank j, will you stomp and whine? like a good little con.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:11 amToasterhead,
Fukc YOU!!!
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Still waiting for you to prove me wrong. What's your ETA on that answer?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:12 amFukc YOU!!!
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 12:07 am
I thought you hated the homos, Mr Pee. You were all about throwing them under the bus, and now you want to fukc a guy? Can't you make up your "mind"?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:12 amYou are so liberated that you approve of the process wherby I (and everyone else) has no say in the matter.
LIBTARD liberation at its best,,,,
Comment by scooter — September 5, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
of course you have no say in the matter. Slavery was also outlawed.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:12 amScooter, children are already protected by law. Between consenting adults its nobody elses business.
Comment by jb
Sure JB,,,, all you do is change the definition of ADULT...
Who decides what age is an ADULT and why PEDOPHILES are not being discriminated against because they are BORN with an attraction to 10 year olds?
DING DING DING,,,, A JUDGE.... CORRECTO
Any law society sets can be changed for a group and their RIGHTS that a JUDGE determines is part of the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:12 ambestials, polygamy, incests, obesity, redheads
How come YOU are defending JUDICIAL ACTIVISM and calling it REVIEW when you should be pushing CONGRESS to extend the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT towards GAY RIGHTS? Is BAD LAW good, just for groups you approve of?
Comment by scooter — September 6, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Because I believe Congress has about 17,500 better ways to spend their time other than gay marriage legislation.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:13 amThen I’m sure that Hillary will make this issue the centerpiece of her campaign.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 12:09 am
WTF has Hillary got to do with this? Oh, sorry. Nothing. It's just another attempt by lame whiny little morons like "frank j" to change the subject.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:13 amwhat's it going to be, master P? where are you willing to put that thing?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:13 amof course you have no say in the matter. Slavery was also outlawed.
Comment by ronjazz
By CONGRESS no less,,,, (gotta love those judges and REVIEW)
September 6th, 2007 at 12:14 amIf you really believe the vast majority of the American people want gay marriage then I would think a shrewd poll driven candidate like Hillary would make this the centerpiece of her campaign.
That is if you believe this thread.....apparently she and all the other Democrats do not.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:15 amtap tap tap tap tap tap ..............
September 6th, 2007 at 12:16 amSure JB,,,, all you do is change the definition of ADULT…
Who decides what age is an ADULT and why PEDOPHILES are not being discriminated against because they are BORN with an attraction to 10 year olds?
DING DING DING,,,, A JUDGE…. CORRECTO
Any law society sets can be changed for a group and their RIGHTS that a JUDGE determines is part of the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965.
bestials, polygamy, incests, obesity, redheads
Comment by scooter — September 6, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Scoots, please take your medication. This is gibberish.
If you think I'm giving up redheads just because you experimented too much with your buddies, you have another think coming.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amscooter! i just fetched me up a bucket full of ball sacks!
September 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amcome on over, ther's enough to ger around!
Because I believe Congress has about 17,500 better ways to spend their time other than gay marriage legislation.
Comment by toasterhead
BUT not our JUDICIAL system,,,, they most certainly don't have better things to REVIEW than GAY RIGHTS.
Apparently it's important enough that YOU think it is a RIGHT. What could be more important for CONGRESS in YOUR opinion than that?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amToasterhead,
Fukc YOU!!!
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 12:11 am
No proof there, masterbaiter p. Just your usual lack of control and chidish tantrum.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:18 amHey guys New poll!
58% of democrats support Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:18 am20% support Osama Bin Laden
15% support Hugo Chavez!
Scooter, How come YOU are calling Judicial Review and making up this paranoid term "Judicial Activism". If you personally condemn a GOOD LAW that has passed the Review process, then the burden of legislation is upon you. Of course any law passed must pass review to make sure it is constitutional. Remember the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the basis for our system. Are you being willfully ignorant?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:19 amNothing brings out irrational troll behavior (from frankie j, mr pee, and wormsmakemedragmybottomacrosstherug) like a discussion of gay sex between men. They inevitably end up foaming and barking at the sky.
Seek professional help, boys. According to the "christians", homosexuality can be cured. Try not to freak out.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:19 amWhy do Democats support Iran?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:19 amplease... please master p, embrace yer homosexuality...
September 6th, 2007 at 12:20 amScoots, please take your medication. This is gibberish.
If you think I’m giving up redheads just because you experimented too much with your buddies, you have another think coming.
Comment by gummitch
Nice to see your defending the REDHEADS....
September 6th, 2007 at 12:21 amnow please open your HEART and extend the same to pedophiles, bestials, polygamists, incests,
AND hockey players named RALPH....
gummitch,
September 6th, 2007 at 12:21 amWhat do you have to say about TP kying about support for Gay Marriage?
ronjazz,
September 6th, 2007 at 12:21 amYou're a bum!
please… please master p, embrace yer homosexuality…
Comment by alp3
I'm sure he will be on board as soon as you embrace yer pederophilia...
September 6th, 2007 at 12:22 amyou still got hocky, squeak. fight teh good fight!
September 6th, 2007 at 12:22 amI agree with scooter, he is a man after my own heart. The United States cannot be a proper theocracy without the bigotry and discrimination of fundamentalists such as I and my radical christian friends, like scooter. If America allows the homosexuals to marry and achieve the same rights as the normal people, then it is all the proof we need to declare Fatwah and Jihad! Only by adhereing to our fundamentalist beliefs can you be clean and worthy. Listen to scooter, he knows of what he speaks. All praise to Allah and GeorgeBush.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:22 amohhhhhhhhh, master p, what's it gonna be, tappin yer toes for all humanitee?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:24 amI want vote thank all for your support of my candidacy!
September 6th, 2007 at 12:25 amWhen I become President of America, Jews and Christians will be put in their place!
Thank you!
Fukc YOU, muslim!!!
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 12:22 am
meth running out, tweaker? you do crash like NASCAR, I must say.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:25 amMy apologies to all those that ASSUME i'm equating the actions of HOMOSEXUALS with that of pedophiles, bestials, incests, polygamists, etc...
I'm only comparing the PROCESS where they all become RIGHTS.
To assume they are the same would be a derogatory statement to all RIGHTS other than GAYS due to the patience the others are currently exhibiting to get thier rights recognized.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:27 amWhat is it??? Patience is a virtue.
Do you guys think the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT can also be interpreted to mean that I can piss on YOUR grass?
I mean if you can get GAY RIGHTS from it why not the PISS on GRASS thing.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:30 amHahaha. You think that this audience proves something? Polls show that a majority even in New Hampshire don't want gay marriage legal. Don't kid yourself. Brownback holds the majority viewpoint, but I don't support him for President.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:31 amPatience is a virtue.
bring it up with da rabbit, squeak. tricks are for kids?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:31 amScooter, Piss on your own grass if you must.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:33 amI hope Muslims unite and destroy America!
I hope Iran nukes Israel and causes a 2nd holocaust!
Death to Christians!
Death to Jews!
Comment by ronjazz
c'mon RON,,,, we all know that ISLAM is a religion of PEACE that in it's pure form gives liberty to others. When you say these things it makes people JADED towards ISLAM... People get this way because of what YOU SAY,,, not the fact that a very large % of ISLAM really does this.
So stop it... man,,,, YOU and not ISLAM itself is the reason that people are JADED on it...
September 6th, 2007 at 12:34 amMarriage is a legal and religious issue, we need not be involved in who others want to marry, none of our business. Banning is simple bigotry....we are all equal under the law, what part to the repukian tards not get that.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:36 amI know that you get a bit o' over excited when you see a nakid man in teh shower stalls, squeak. does that make me unpatriotic?
squeak?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:37 amScooter, Piss on your own grass if you must.
Comment by jb
NOPE,,,, I must shove it in your face,,,, HEY,,,
Will you come to the inaugural (pissers on others lawns) PRIDE PARADE?
We really need your support and hope that society will become more accepting of US...
Also,,, don't EVEN think you can PISS on mine...
September 6th, 2007 at 12:38 amWhats good for the GOOSE is definitely not good for the GANDER,,, in this case.
,,,,,,,,,,,, say wha? squeak? what are you dreamin' about shoving in yer face?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:40 amAgainst gay marriage …don’t marry one. against abortion…don’t have one. Stop pushing your ideology on me…take responsibility for yourself and shut the F up.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:40 amSo we are organizing a collective 'Piss On The Whitehouse Lawn'?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:41 am"Gay Marriage", here we go again....
In my opinion, this issue does not even belong in the Presidential debate. It should be decided at the State level!
Moreover, is it possible for those who support "Gay Marriage" rights, to not label those of us who do not support "Gay Marriage" rights as bigots and homophobes! Quite frankly, it's tiresome, naive, and presumptuous!
It's how we feel, and we have that right! Just as those of you who do not support the "War in Iraq" as being labeled UnPatriotic! It's how you feel, and you have that right!
In addition, and I've posted in enough forums to come to this simple realization, that people who post in these forums are very opinionated and head strong and it makes it extremely difficult to persuade one to your point of view! If you're lucky, maybe you can come to a compromise!
In closing, I would just like to add that I feel there are far more pressing and life threatening issues facing us right now. And the "Gay Marriage" rights, in my opinion is not one of them....
And to finally play off of what the flamboyant James Carville so rightly put it during President Clintons re-election campaign back in 1996, "It's the Economy Stupid", well, in the next election it's going to be "the Iraq War/War on Terror" stupid...
loudandproud
September 6th, 2007 at 12:41 amI know that you get a bit o’ over excited when you see a nakid man in teh shower stalls, squeak. does that make me unpatriotic?
squeak?
Comment by alp3
How about a NAKED child (or very young adult to some).
You could also try your sister.
Or the neighbors GREAT DANE.
How about a polygamous 3some?
Don't even get me started about REDS....
Would any and all of those make YOU unpatriotic?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:42 amGays are not pissing on your lawn. You are pissing on theirs.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:42 am#
So we are organizing a collective ‘Piss On The Whitehouse Lawn’?
Comment by wired2aliens — September 6, 2007 @ 12:41 am
The chief resident certainly has it coming.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:44 amhey squeak, what you imagine to be in yer showa is no business of mine.
although, you do seem to be the right man for the job.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:45 amSo we are organizing a collective ‘Piss On The Whitehouse Lawn’?
Comment by wired2aliens
NO silly,,,, the oppressed group (piss on others lawns) is to be set up as an oppressed minority,, (like GAYS) and thus have JUDGES change society laws for US.
YEA,,,,, As for pissing on the WHITEHOUSE lawn,,, I suggest we hold it in case HILLARY gets in there.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:45 amsounds like there were more cheers than boos
unfortunately
September 6th, 2007 at 12:46 amscooter, are you crashing with p? did your meth run out as well? you are one unhinged moonbat. I'm very grateful the GOP has finally imploded if you're a representative of that sick, deluded, ignorant group of backwards bigots and closet-cases. Denying Americans their Constitutional freedoms, what have you become? have you joined Al Qaeda, or the Klan? Must be the Klan, Al Qaeda has standards.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:46 amComment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 12:44 am
September 6th, 2007 at 12:47 amLot of empty space in that post....like your brain.
hey squeak, what you imagine to be in yer showa is no business of mine.
although, you do seem to be the right man for the job.
Comment by alp3
YES,,,,, I'm free,,, now where did the neighbors CAT run off to.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:48 amso gays piss on yer lawn, squeak? oh my, now i see yer dilemma!
so many choices! tis confusing to such a man...
September 6th, 2007 at 12:48 amYEA,,,,, As for pissing on the WHITEHOUSE lawn,,, I suggest we hold it in case HILLARY gets in there.
Comment by scooter — September 6, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Good idea. she'll need some time to clean up George and KKKarls turds.
p has run out of Sterno to drink, it looks like. complete meltdown. Good job, toasterhead, I think you've finished him off.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:49 amOh, I get it... so if I want to piss on other peoples' lawns all I have to do is ring up my local ACTIVIST JUDGE and get him to strike down any laws against it?
September 6th, 2007 at 12:50 amscooter, are you crashing with p? did your meth run out as well? you are one unhinged moonbat. I’m very grateful the GOP has finally imploded if you’re a representative of that sick, deluded, ignorant group of backwards bigots and closet-cases. Denying Americans their Constitutional freedoms, what have you become? have you joined Al Qaeda, or the Klan? Must be the Klan, Al Qaeda has standards.
Comment by ronjazz
RON,,, this reply is so SMART and INTELLIGENT,,, so full of examples that show me HOW i'm wrong that I have absolutely no response to it....
September 6th, 2007 at 12:51 amWOWWWW,,,, we are all in the presence of greatness here folks.
scoot! i want to know more about teh pissin'
it seems to be all you little cons can do!
ew!
September 6th, 2007 at 12:52 amOh, I get it… so if I want to piss on other peoples’ lawns all I have to do is ring up my local ACTIVIST JUDGE and get him to strike down any laws against it?
Comment by wired2aliens
NO silly,,, A judge will recognize YOU as an oppressed MINORITY under the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965 (like gays). Then you can enjoy PISSING on others at will,,,, AND as a bonus you can change other LAWS as well. Whatever a JUDGE claims your MINORITY group is...
September 6th, 2007 at 12:54 amSenator Craig will now vote for gay rights as he's seen first hand how people are treated. The hate his GOP party shows has been shown to him and they stabbed him in the back after 27 years of loyalty. If he is or isn't gay he was treated like trash by his own party. Senator Specter came out to support him later but not one of his so called friends would speak up for him. I noticed Vitter had the hold gang of GOP supporting him with his actions of paying for prostitutes over many years. Now we see that if a Senator is gay it's a crime but if he pays for prostitutes or threatens peoples lives or even has an open affair like the President and Connie Rice there's no problem.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:56 amWow, I would hate to be that Scooter idiot...what a freaking sick individual....wow, all I can is wow what an idiot....you're sick, sick, sick scooter. Very, very, very sick.
September 6th, 2007 at 12:56 ammore talk of teh pissin' from teh scootah!
eagley sneagaly snargaly snorf
look out san francisco there is teh
cons just a pissin' offa da wharf.
toodalz!
September 6th, 2007 at 12:57 amA true intelligent Americans believe the nation should have a constitutional
September 6th, 2007 at 12:58 amamendment banning gay marriage.
I support Sen.Sam Brownback proposal.
Whatever a JUDGE claims your MINORITY group is…
September 6th, 2007 at 12:58 amYou christos have too many rights already....need to be castrated after the birth of your second child.
scoot! i want to know more about teh pissin’
it seems to be all you little cons can do!
ew!
Comment by alp3
WELL,,,, first of all you must get the MEDIA to work on society at large to make it POSSIBLE that PISSIN on others is possible. Next you get the PSYCHIATRISTS to change your behaivor from mentally unbalanced to balanced (this will be backed up with studies that have a predetermined result). Don't forget to claim that you are BORN THAT WAY and cannot change. Finally, concentrate on a JUDGE who may have a CLOSET pissing habit himself and go for GOLD BABY....
I hope this helps
September 6th, 2007 at 12:58 ami don't need no silly doctas to tell me that you love teh pissin' silly.
you do just fine.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:00 amTrue intelligent Americans support banning christians from bearing children.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:00 amOh gee was I disallusioned, I thought I have to go piss on someone's lawn, be arrested, spend time in jail, spend big bucks on a lawyer and appeal my case all the way to the supreme court in order to get the law itself judged as unconstitutional.
But in reality all I have to do is carry around a printout of the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965 and any judge will recognize me as a MINORITY?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:00 amWow, I would hate to be that Scooter idiot…what a freaking sick individual….wow, all I can is wow what an idiot….you’re sick, sick, sick scooter. Very, very, very sick.
Comment by Buck Fush
Hey BUCK,,, please rewind yourself 40 years ago and THINK how your counterpart would say the same thing about YOU and GAY RIGHTS.
Kinda IRONIC ehhh
September 6th, 2007 at 1:02 amteh irony is your love of teh peein' little scootah man.
embrace yer mornin' wood... learn to love it!
little buddy!
September 6th, 2007 at 1:05 amOh gee was I disallusioned, I thought I have to go piss on someone’s lawn, be arrested, spend time in jail, spend big bucks on a lawyer and appeal my case all the way to the supreme court in order to get the law itself judged as unconstitutional.
But in reality all I have to do is carry around a printout of the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1965 and any judge will recognize me as a MINORITY?
Comment by wired2aliens
No you got the ACLU and a whole slew of PISSERS that look really sad. And you got to pick and choose,,, don't go at the SUPREME court right away as there are certainly much easier ones first,,, LIKE MASSACHUSETTS.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:05 amteh irony is your love of teh peein’ little scootah man.
embrace yer mornin’ wood… learn to love it!
little buddy!
Comment by alp3
I will,,,, and so should you,,,
toodaloo gotta run
September 6th, 2007 at 1:07 amwhy do you luv teh pissahs, scoot?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:07 amJust curious scooter, have you purchased a color TV or do you still watch the black and white one from fourty years ago?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:07 amThese christians are breeding too many pissers. Why do the have "special rights"?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:08 amall apologies, shane. but you don't seem to get the whole gist off an
open forum.
you can ignore the fools, or you can use this opportunity to expose what kind of fools they really are.
the choice should be yours.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:14 amWhy scooter, I live by a park. And I can tell you that the majority of people that pee in public places are for the most part beer drinkers. Male and female alike, although alot less women pee in public.
I have no idea if they are gay, or not, but they sure do pee alot.
Mr P, your an expert on Pee, tell us what you think of Pee, is Pee gay or is Pee not gay?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:14 amYeah, that sounded like more cheers than boos for Brownback.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:19 amCertainly Yur Inn, there has to be a definable difference between gay and straight urine... I'd bet straight urine makes the tomatoes grow but gay urine caused a brown patch in the yard... or some bullsh!t like that
September 6th, 2007 at 1:22 amOff topic, sorry...The world has lost a beautiful voice...Povarati has passed away at age 71.....Blessings to his famely and friends
September 6th, 2007 at 1:22 amsounds like there were more cheers than boos
unfortunately
Comment by darla — September 6, 2007 @ 12:46 am
didn't sound that way to me. and the cheers for the previous woman were quite clear. America has had enough of the bigotry and hate of the right wing and the fascists in the White House. The constant harrassment from the pulpits of bigoted, backwards churches, the constant hate from the wingnut politicians, teh drone of the fat, lazy, moronic, lying talk show hosts like Rush the Pedophile and O'Reilly the phone pervert are starting to backfire, and America turns to the light, little by little, but strongly and steadily. The anti-gay-marriage numbers are soft, and will change very shortly, as liberals take back their country. Pedophiles will then be hunted down, prosecuted and jailed, not protected by the Republican Speaker Of The House.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:23 amFred Thompson announced tonight he is running for President. Hillary better find Hsu quick and get some more of that Chi-Com cash.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:23 amwell fu*k! let's argue! do you think the likes of these freaks will go softly into the night? They love the shadows... it gives them strength.
they are ridiculous. in softer times they were known as the crazies.
they are... and now they think they have found a voice.
heh. a voice with no call. they are the crazies... bat-sh*t out to lunch nutz.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:25 amAmerica will want him as well. And where is Hsu?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:29 amHsu is pissin' in yewr back yerd, frank.
if you had a clue, you would know that.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:31 amI'll do it. I'll go to the polls in Feburary and ask for a RepubliKKKn card and vote for Fred. Just home you guys have my back and don't put Hillary up there as his opponent.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:31 amFred Thompson announced tonight he is running for President. Hillary better find Hsu quick and get some more of that Chi-Com cash.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:23 am
Fred's calling him right now. Hillary raises more money in a day than Fred has so far in several weeks. He's toast. It's great news for liberals, he hasn't a shred of credibility, and is known as the laziest Senator in modern history.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:33 amThe text of Fred's first TV ad to be run in blue states.
TERRORISTS/LIBERALS: We will destroy America! No one can stop us!
ILLEGAL MEXICANS: Don't destroy it all! Leave some for us to steal!
(There's an huge BOOM! as the earth explodes and out rises Fred Thompson)
FRED THOMPSON: Now that I'm president, there is nothing but death for you here!
TERRORISTS/LIBERALS: Aieeee!
(Terrorists and liberals stare at Fred Thompson in horror and then their faces melt like in Raiders of the Lost Ark)
ILLEGAL MEXICANS: Oh no! We must flee to Mexico and improve its economy instead of disrespecting America's borders!
(Illegal Mexicans flee leaving jobs behind)
FRED THOMPSON: Ha ha ha!
(Go to screen with fire and explosions behind the text "Fred Thompson 2008")
ANNOUNCER: Fred Thompson 2008, Time to Die!
It's a bit of an artsy idea because of the symbolism, but I think it would work well.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:33 amThe left used to call Reagan lazy, as a great historian ronjazz you can tell me how he did in Presidential elections.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:34 amfrank, leave the artsy idea to those so inclined. why don't you
stick with what you know. grabbin yer own ass and hiding under yer bed.
you dipsh*t.
that's yer bed, amigo... not the cute guy who lives next door.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:37 amComment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:33 am
Nice idea, Frank. Try it out with your action figures first, just to make sure.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:37 amI didn't see the commercial but from the description... Oh please! Fred can't possibly try to protray himself as god while dumbd'a s still in the whitehouse.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:38 amANNOUNCER: Fred Thompson 2008, Time to Die!
It’s a bit of an artsy idea because of the symbolism, but I think it would work well.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:33 am
Frank, you are the expert on laziness, that's for sure. did you steal some 2nd-grader's homework?
"The left used to call Reagan lazy, as a great historian ronjazz you can tell me how he did in Presidential elections.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:34 am"
Those days are over, frank. reagan spawned the Bush meltdown, destroyed America's confidence and economy, and left the USA in a shambles that Clinton had to put back together. Fred Thompson is even less qualified than Reagan, and running when the hatred of the GOP now fills most Americans. Most Americans won't vote Republican for many years, frank, so you can paint your lazy-assed D-list loser as reagan all you want, but the only resemblance is that they're both dead in the water.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:40 amHave you read the latest Newsweek?
I noticed Thompson on the cover.
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 1:37 am
newsweak? Excellent, the Kiss Of Death.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:41 amFrank and p, get a room. If you go to Massachusetts, you can get married.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:43 amThompson too chickenshit to even debate the other freak loser GOP.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:43 am43% of Americans oppose same rights for gay marriages because they are homophobes who are closet gays.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:43 amClinton had to put back together.....LOL
Are you going on the Tonight Show? You are quite the comic.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:44 amFRED THOMPSON: Ha ha ha!
(Go to screen with fire and explosions behind the text “Fred Thompson 2008″)
ANNOUNCER: Fred Thompson 2008, Time to Die!
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:33 am
Steak n' Shake, everyone! Dinner's on Fred!
September 6th, 2007 at 1:44 amI was reading up on the pilgrims that first came to America.
They were Calvinists and used the Breeches Bible [Geneva bible]
And they saw marriage as a civil union.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:45 am43% of Americans oppose same rights for gay marriages because they are homophobes who are closet gays.
Comment by Guy Fawkes — September 6, 2007 @ 1:43 am
sounds right. You can tell who they are by the (R).
September 6th, 2007 at 1:45 amis that right, guy? you got a little proof? or just the "poof" that's been
September 6th, 2007 at 1:45 amsounding out of yer ass from day one....
Are you going on the Tonight Show? You are quite the comic.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:44 am
Best peactime economy in American history Frank. laugh at that.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:46 am22 million jobs frank, very funny.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:47 amAnother Thompson ad to be run in Massachusetts.
Fred Thompson walk through the Minneapolis International Airport and have white hot flames shoot out each men’s room as he walks by with an announcement that “wide-stancers and other perverts no longer tolerated in Fred Thompson’s America†as small children run to Fred Thompson carrying flowers and wide smiles!
September 6th, 2007 at 1:47 amclinton took on the Reagan-Bush deficit, left a surplus for junior to squander. Hilarious.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:48 amI thought "the laziest Senator in modern history" was Tim Johnson?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:48 amFred Thompson walk through the Minneapolis International Airport and have white hot flames shoot out each men’s room as he walks by with an announcement that “wide-stancers and other perverts no longer tolerated in Fred Thompson’s America†as small children run to Fred Thompson carrying flowers and wide smiles!
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:47 am
But that would leave no Republicans to support his policies! Excellent, you should take my spot on Leno. Believe me, the people will laugh at you!
September 6th, 2007 at 1:49 amI thought “the laziest Senator in modern history†was Tim Johnson?
Comment by Jake D. — September 6, 2007 @ 1:48 am
For the record, the opinion of the most retarded California attorney in history isn't really relevant, isn't it retarded Jake?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:49 amI thought “the laziest Senator in modern history†was Tim Johnson?
Comment by Jake D.
I dont know about that, But George did break the previous record for the most vacation days.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:50 amThe left used to call Reagan lazy, as a great historian ronjazz you can tell me how he did in Presidential elections.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:34 am
And McDonalds sells lots of burgers, yet it doesn't make their sh!t any more palatable than Reagan's stupid laziness. Thanks for proving you wingnuts are utterly clueless!
September 6th, 2007 at 1:50 amI thought “the laziest Senator in modern history†was Tim Johnson?
Comment by Jake D. — September 6, 2007 @ 1:48 am
ah, the ever-reliable repuke low blow. not unexpected, yet still somehow completely disgusting. jake sinks to a new low, trying to catch p.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:51 amfrank! you suck at this! that's why you do "this."
go back to yer back yard, take a good long look at yerself while you piss away, whatever yer in the mood of pissing away.
and fer f*cks sake, take a big long break from comedy.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:51 amI dont know about that, But George did break the previous record for the most vacation days.
Comment by Ichthus — September 6, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Yeah and he broke it barely halfway through his presidency! Then again, you're talking to Jake, the most intellectually lazy attorney one could expect!
September 6th, 2007 at 1:52 amFred Thompson supports the troops by beating liberals with a crowbar.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:52 amI thought “the laziest Senator in modern history†was Tim Johnson?
Comment by Jake D. — September 6, 2007 @ 1:48 am
Tasteful, Jake. Highly Christian, I might add.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:52 amI bet you know a lot about bobbing your head up and down!
Comment by Master P — September 6, 2007 @ 1:51 am
not getting any, hey, p? not surprising in the least.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:53 amWhat does that say about Mondale?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:54 amWhat does that say about Mondale?
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:54 am
I doubt he voted for Reagan. Do try to keep up.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:56 amFred needs to do some brush cuttin an bike ridin.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:56 amFred needs to do some brush cuttin an bike ridin.
Comment by jb — September 6, 2007 @ 1:56 am
He might actually stay on a bike for more than 3 minutes, unlike the Chimp.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:58 amFred was not only the laziest Senator on record, Nixon also called him "Dumb As Hell"
September 6th, 2007 at 1:59 amLooks like there is enough grease in Fred's jowls to fuel a diesel truck halfway across the country. The Fred express.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:00 amFred needs to do some brush cuttin an bike ridin.
Comment by jb
Maybe he should get a Segway?
September 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amWhat's the next dirty trick?
We need to look closely at Judge Robert Hanson in Polk County Iowa.
I'm not saying his intentions are suspect, but they may be... what he has accomplished is putting gay marriage on the front burner in the first state to have primaries or straw polls or whatever they call it.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amFred Thompson supports the troops by beating liberals with a crowbar.
Comment by Frank J — September 6, 2007 @ 1:52 am
Sure he does, while wearing gucci shoes, and spying for nixon on his way to 'acting' like he has the balls he lost long ago while lobbying for abortion rights group he now claims to hate. You're a sad, duped little dumbass.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amBrownback just dug his grave.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:01 amTasteful, Jake. Highly Christian, I might add.
Comment by bob lahblah — September 6, 2007 @ 1:52 am
Jay's about as Xtian as Judas is portrayed by the Catholic teachings.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:02 amThe immature boy troll Mr. Pee is using his Master P personality this evening. It must be difficult for him being gay and having no friends. The fact that he gets so excited when threads are about gays is what blows his cover.
Come out of your closet, Mr. Pee, gay boy.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:03 amFred Thompson supports the troops by beating liberals with a crowbar.
Comment by Frank J
Frank Frank Frank, I come from Texas and the Democrats here make you conservatives look like liberals.
I mean, really, the Republicans have become "liberals"
September 6th, 2007 at 2:04 am#
Brownback just dug his grave.
Comment by Karim — September 6, 2007 @ 2:01 am
He has been in there digging for years.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:05 amAs the FOX GOP thing bolsters my argument, teh GOP is Liberal, thats not a bad thing either Frank.It means they have found their voices, and no longer walk in lock step.
Lets have a round of applause for the GOP and their newly found independent voices!!
*Clap, Clap, Clap*
September 6th, 2007 at 2:10 amFred Thompson supports the troops by beating liberals with a crowbar.
Comment by Frank J
Fred is a Hollywood Liberal Frank, face it. Beating people with crowbars is not compassionate.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:13 amActually Mitt is the favorite among gay haters... he's the only one who is consistantly for a constitutional amendment and taking gay marriage choice away from the states.
Where'd you go scooter? Vote for Mitt and he may issue an executive order mandating POLYGAMY.
September 6th, 2007 at 2:17 amFred Thompson supports the troops by beating liberals with a crowbar.
Comment by Frank J
Lemme fix that for ya...
FranK J supports Fred Thompson by beating off....
There, all better!
September 6th, 2007 at 2:25 amTim Johnson?
You mean the guy who was skiving off of work simply because he had a cerebral arteriovenous malformation resulting in bleeding on the brain? You know, after being treated for prostate cancer?
Yeah, real sign of laziness that.
Oh, and while we are on the subject of Fred Thompson, why is it that Republicans seem to hate Hollywood, but just love running actors for political positions? You know, Reagan, Ahnold, Thompson...
September 6th, 2007 at 2:57 amThompson/ Sean Penn '08!
September 6th, 2007 at 2:59 amMaybe Brownback can be put in an "institution"...
September 6th, 2007 at 5:40 amLet's see, the only state that allows gay marriage, Massachusetts, also has the lowest divorce rate of the 50 states.
Coincidence....I think not.
September 6th, 2007 at 6:15 amIt sounded like more people cheered than booed.
September 6th, 2007 at 7:33 amPlus the poll says 57% are not in favor of gays.
September 6th, 2007 at 7:33 amhttp://pollingreport.com/civil.htm
Can anyone who is opposed to civil unions help me out here....I got married outside a church, by a JOP, there was no mention of GOD in my ceremony, no prayer and no religious blessing..however, I was still required to go the the town gov. and apply for a LEGAL license so that my wife and I could have a say in the care and future of each other should one of us become incapacitated. You know simple little things like hospital visitiation rights, health insurance coverage, future of our "estate", etc..
I fail to see how religion should prevent me and my wife from enjoying these LEGAL rights as we were given these rights by the State when they granted us a license to get married. However, this is where those asked can help me.
1) Am I really married ? ( I mean there was no GOD involved)
2) If yes, and based on the above scenario (all 100% true) do you truly advocate witholding these same rights from your fellow Americans because of your personal/religious beliefs about homosexuality ??
September 6th, 2007 at 7:53 amGOP LEADERSHIP
OUT
OF
TOUCH
And the trolls yammer on...
September 6th, 2007 at 8:14 amPlus the poll says 57% are not in favor of gays.
http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm
Comment by mrp — September 6, 2007 @ 7:33 am
Get your reading together, p, those polls, taken as a whole, show that somewhere between 65% and 85% are in favor of gays in most aspects of American life. The religious bigots do come out against gay marriage by 57%, in those polls, but that number is shrinking quickly. Gay marriage will be a common custom in America when we liberals free it from you backwards, inbred fascist conturds.
September 6th, 2007 at 8:35 am#228 - "The religious bigots do come out against gay marriage by 57%, in those polls, but that number is shrinking quickly." Comment by ronjazz — September 6, 2007 @ 8:35 am
Ronjazz, you've hit the nail on the head: opposition to same-sex partnerships is waning and support is waxing!
Could you imagine what the results of this poll would be had it been taken 20 years ago? Probably 90% against and 5% for, with 5% undecided. MAYBE.
I say give it 10 years, maybe 20, and same-sex marriage will be legalized in the US as is proper and right.
There have been many references to studies that claim that same-sex marriage impats heterosexual marriage, but that's only when you cherry-pick the reports and ignore their full findings. Marriage is not affected in any negative manner by same-sex marriages or partnerships at all.
There has not been one single logical argument against acknowledging same-sex partnerships that stood up under scrutiny. Not one.
September 6th, 2007 at 8:47 amThe truth will set you free, but first it's going to really tick you off! (Well, only if you're an anti-gay bigot. . .)
"They examine how same-sex marriage came to be in Scandinavia; who is getting married and why they are tying the knot; the Church's reception to same-sex unions; and how same-sex marriage has affected the couples, their families, their children, and their greater communities, both nationally and internationally, and find that the defense of marriage argument is inconsistent with the Scandinavian evidence. What Spedale and Eskridge find is that marriage in the Nordic countries has in no way suffered from legalization of same-sex unions; if anything, it has benefited. If we look at the proof from abroad, the authors argue, we must conclude that the sanctioning of gay marriage in the United States would neither undermine marriage as an institution, nor harm the well-being of our nation's children."
http://islandia.law.yale.edu/GayMarriageBook/
September 6th, 2007 at 8:57 amYou all forget that the people of NH have strong libertarian leanings. The reaction to Brownbacks proposal stems not from support of gay marriage but in large part from opposition to the federal gov usurping the power that many believe belongs to the states.
I do not support the federal gov recognizing ANY marriage it is a religious institution that the fed gov has no business being involved in. (You know progs, seperation of church and state.) Government has a role to play in providing support to couples raising children, in those cases the legal CONTRACT refered to as civil unions could legitimately be recognized to establish legal rights of parents for the benefit of the child.
September 6th, 2007 at 9:26 am57% OPPOSE gay marriage. I was so excited about these poll numbers you claimed to cite that I was going to email people this article, thank God I clicked the link and read it thoroughly. What are you Fox for the left?
You've lost a longtime reader. Good bye Think Progress.
September 6th, 2007 at 9:32 amShannon
Well said. I e-mailed them the error earlier, there has still not been a correction made. Time was when they actually cared about accuracy but that time seems to have passed.
I figure I will join you in dropping this site.
September 6th, 2007 at 9:44 amSorry if this has been covered already, but I don't have time to read all of the posts!
Did anyone watch the post-debate circus? When Hannity was interviewing Rudy, the drag queen kind of laughed when asked about Ron Paul. He smuggly suggested that Paul and Gravel have a debate (because they're both nuts, in his mind).
What he failed to recognize is that Paul got the loudest cheers from the crowd, and Rudy failed miserably.
Smug little sh*t! Can't wait to see his campaign implode.
September 6th, 2007 at 9:54 amInteresting spin TP put on the poll results. ;)
"Do you think marriages between homosexuals should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?"
8/6-8/07
September 6th, 2007 at 10:36 amShould Should Not Unsure
40 % 57% 3 %
I say give it 10 years, maybe 20, and same-sex marriage will be legalized in the US
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 6, 2007 @ 8:47 am
Of course it will. We know the decline in morality will continue. ;)
September 6th, 2007 at 10:39 am#236 - "Of course it will. We know the decline in morality will continue. ;) " Comment by upright left — September 6, 2007 @ 10:39 am
Only so long as the Republicans are steering the US into their version of "morality". ;-)
September 6th, 2007 at 10:45 amOnly so long as the Republicans are steering the US into their version of “moralityâ€. ;-)
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 6, 2007 @ 10:45 am
Sorry, dem, immorality knows no ideology. And the continued decline is inevitable. It can be slowed by not allowing gay marriage, but nothing will stop it. ;)
September 6th, 2007 at 10:48 am#238 - "immorality knows no ideology" Comment by upright left — September 6, 2007 @ 10:48 am
I agree with you. Despite the fact that the majority of morality-scandals are hitting the Republicans, the Dem's are far from perfect. I just recall all the "returning honor to the WH" statements by the Republicans, and now they're finding out their not quite so "pure" as they portrayed themselves.
"It can be slowed by not allowing gay marriage..."
Well, everyone has their chance to be wrong, and I won't disturb your chance at it right now. I will look forward to you waking up to your mistake at some point. Good luck with all that!
September 6th, 2007 at 11:32 amWell, everyone has their chance to be wrong, and I won’t disturb your chance at it right now. I will look forward to you waking up to your mistake at some point. Good luck with all that!
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 6, 2007 @ 11:32 am
So you think the moral decline will continue unabated even if gay marriage recognition is delayed a little while longer? The end result is the same whether it's delayed a little or not. ;)
September 6th, 2007 at 11:52 am#240 - No, moral decline will only continue as long as the anti-Constitution policies of the Bush Administration continue unabated.
Gay marriage does not contribute to the decline of morality, it's the lack of morals by those who claim to have them that causes moral decline. Now, lets get the hypocritical congressmen (on both sides) out before they do even more damage than they already have!
September 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmIf “gay marriage†does not contribute to the decline of morality, then I suppose you’d happily give me four real five-dollar bills for a counterfeit twenty dollar bill.
After all, it wouldn’t be hurting any one, and you could probably spend it. Why is it that the government gets so antsy when someone tries to print their own money? Shouldn’t everyone be allow to print their own money? (Believe the U.S. Constitution does have something to say about this.)
But what’s the problem here? The problem here is in faith in the government to have a fair means of exchange.
So what’s the problem with two homosexuals “marrying?†It undermines or marriage. It undermines the faith that marriage is vital to the nation.
It makes the society less valuable, less worth preserving.
Anyone here want to sign up to be in the Army to protect the country that allows two men to be “married?â€
This issue has the potential to be a nation breaker.
That’s the moral damage that “gay marriage†causes. It’s not really a marriage. It can’t really be a marriage. Only a man and a woman can enter into a marriage – the Biblical “one flesh†relationship. Same-same gender couples can only enter into perversion, which is detrimental to everyone, even the participants.
This impresses me as being really close to “wrong is right†and “right is wrong.†Wonder if this what the poster intended.
Since this remark is in the same paragraph with the remark on “homosexual marriage,†I take it to mean that we should allow “homosexual marriage†because there are hypocritical congressmen. These two are in no way related, but count on it, when homosexuality is being discussed on the INet, someone will make sure that the everyone else knows the whole world is tainted.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:41 pmbitblt very good
Fact: Gay marriage is a counterfeit.
What's the saying about "lipstick on a pig"?
You put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig"
Wise words well written but will not be understood by many here.
What if a bi-sexual wants to marry a man and a woman he/she loves?
September 6th, 2007 at 2:07 pmShouldn't he/she have "equal protection under the law"?
“They examine how same-sex marriage came to be in Scandinavia; who is getting married and why they are tying the knot; the Church’s reception to same-sex unions; and how same-sex marriage has affected the couples, their families, their children, and their greater communities, both nationally and internationally, and find that the defense of marriage argument is inconsistent with the Scandinavian evidence. What Spedale and Eskridge find is that marriage in the Nordic countries has in no way suffered from legalization of same-sex unions; if anything, it has benefited. If we look at the proof from abroad, the authors argue, we must conclude that the sanctioning of gay marriage in the United States would neither undermine marriage as an institution, nor harm the well-being of our nation’s children.â€
http://islandia.law.yale.edu/GayMarriageBook/
Let me repeat the sentence that seems to always be overlooked by the right-whiners:
"If we look at the proof from abroad, the authors argue, we must conclude that the sanctioning of gay marriage in the United States would neither undermine marriage as an institution, nor harm the well-being of our nation’s children.â€
By the way, bitbit, why don't YOU trade ME 5 honest dollar bills for a fake 5 dollar bill. That's what we all got in the US when Pres. Bush, who was a failure at everything he ever did in his life, was granted the Presidency by a COURT DECISION!
Why the right-whiners didn't want the VOTE to decide is beyond me. Oh, I know why: they would have lost!
September 6th, 2007 at 3:22 pmpoor bitbit and Oz. their love is just not strong enough to withstand
the onslaught of teh gays wanting to marry.
teh gays are tearing them apart.
September 6th, 2007 at 3:59 pmHere you go bitbit and Oz. A little something to help you get
through these most troubling times...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDDdW4UiVfg
I sincerely hope your love is much stronger than it appears to be through your posts.
September 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pmAs a married man (to a woman) I can't see how in the world if any other two people will disrespect my marriage. People are people and the world is made up of very different cultures. If it does not interfer with me or threaten me I think people should do what they want without interference from the government or other people.
September 6th, 2007 at 5:26 pmAnyone who feels threatened by two people of the same sex being married probably doesn't have a very good marriage to begin with.
Ron Paul is not a liberal. Libertarian conservative, very anti goverment. I don't believe liberals would be happy with a Paul presidency
September 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWhy does TP filter/delete posts?
Answer: Because its their blog.
Filter the threads!
September 6th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI think the GOP is really on its way out of existence. The membership is trending older and older, self-identification is way down, and this Gay Marriage thing fits right in; the older, uber-right "values" candidates are not reflecting what one might call, oh... "the reality on the ground".
After all the damage Bush has done, I think there's at least an outside chance that a new party will emerge, and absorb the small government crowd, while the "values" people go back to the fringes.
September 6th, 2007 at 9:13 pmi just read this stuff today. so i'll just run down the list. read your bible. the isrealites were pedophiles, castrated men allegedly sing in heavenly choirs.some of god's example people written about in the bible had sex with their daughters. Isrealites were incestuous.(often marrying cousins 'to keep the family lineage pure for jesus's arrival'). solomon boned 1000's of hoes. God treated Job like dirt, even though he didn't do anything wrong....etc...etc. my opinion on gay marriage is that it is not a counterfeit 20$ bill. it does not look like one and it does not function as one. Marriage is a value, something cherished between the participants. religion has nothing to do with it. all religions were made up by man so that mankind can bond together into gangs and aquire a more safe and comfortable lifestyle. The only reason most people think their religion is right is because they were taught that. If you don't indoctrinate and brainwash an infant he will not have a religion until something convinces him otherwise(propaganda and fear mongers) and lastly... its been over 2000 years people......HE'S dead.... move on and grow
September 7th, 2007 at 1:10 amAnyone who feels threatened by two people of the same sex being married probably doesn’t have a very good marriage to begin with.
Comment by easywind —
Not threatened, just marriage redefined.
September 7th, 2007 at 2:01 amInteresting opinion you have.
Why didn't TP have a story about this?
September 7th, 2007 at 2:05 amDown with the theocrats!
September 7th, 2007 at 8:31 amSomeone here asked if "you would like tobe forced to have to give rights to people you don't approve of?"
I already do... they're called Bigoted Reich Wing Nutjobs... But, hey... it's suposed to be a free country right? So I support your right to be an asshole.
I find it odd that people here think that liberals and libertarians want to make rules to tell others how to live. Under the current conservative laws in my state, my Church can't even call my marriage what it is. A legal marraige performed in another country! How is that not an infringement of separation of church and state?
No one is telling you that YOU have to marry someone of the same sex... NOR are they telling your church to do it. What they ARE saying is that I can't and my church can't. That's not really free now is it?
Conservatives have taken away more rights from people and have imposed more government involvement in personal matters than ANY libertarian EVER would.
As for comparing my marriage to pedophiles, beastiality, etc.... that's just ignorance. It's really you that worries me... I am in a loving and committed relatinoship with another consenting adult and the first place your mind goes is to goat snogging and innappropriate touching of kids? I think YOU are the one with some real problems if that's the first thing you think of. Methinks Thou Dost Protest Too Much!
And why shouldn't my marriage be recognized? It's the only contract that we both can legally sign... just not with eachother? That dosen't make sense. It's the *only* legal contract limited by sex. It's also the only contract that no states have to honor if it's from another state.
Heck... in my state they won't marry 16-year-olds (nor should they)... but if I went to a state that would and I were 16 (straight) and married my high school sweetheart... well... my state would have to recognize it. They would recognize a marriage they wouldn't preform AND it's even between 2 people who aren't even old enough to possibly begin to comprehend what a marriage is... nor are they old enough to sign a contract without their parents approving it!
As to Brownback's "more children are born out of wedlock since redefining marriage"... there is no causal relationship between the two. You could also say that since Denmark has allowed marriage between same-sex couples, internet usage has gone up. The gay couples had NOTHING to do with internet usage.
Also... how can you REDEFINE something that has been defined in SOOOOO many way throughout history and cultures? Limiting marriage to only one man and one woman would be redefining it. that type of marriage is anything but traditional. Sure, it's the norm now (in this country)... but it hasn't always been that way throughout history. (How many wives did Abraham have again?)
Also, I can assure you that my having sex with my wife (same-sex as myself) did not, in any way, contribute to the number of children born out of wedlock.
However... we are planning on having children... since our marriage isn't recognized, would THAT be considered a child born out of wedlock?
Shouldn't we be fostering loving and healthy relatinoships? Aren't there enough unhappy people out there and children without good and safe homes?
Why is it that I VALUE FAMILY but YOU don't value MY family? How is it that you feel that you have a right to say what's a family and what's not? Many people grow up with a mom and a dad in very abusive homes and can hardly be called a family... some kids just have a mom and they are called a family... some kids just a dad or a grandma and they are called a family... some people don't even have kids (or want them) and they are called a family... they count and my family doesn't?
I think that many of the people going around shouting "family values" don't understand that gay people have family values just as much as straight people... and that they need to stop shoulting "family values" unless they are going to value families.
September 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pmGreat comments by LesbianWithALuger! I think you really make the most important points in all this.
The Republican party, once the party of non-interferance of government has now done a 180. They would like to legislate the 'persuit of happiness' out of anyone's life that doesn't march in lockstep with them.
The crude, bigotted and malicious comments of many of those who are against gay rights is quite sobering. It seems that they use religuos prejudice as the basis for denying the humanity of gay people (and their own fear of people different than themselves). I would remind those Americans that 'freedom of religion' includes freedom from religion. Don't use the biases of your adaptation of religion to deny rights to other Americans.
Live Free or Die is indeed a great American sentiment. Let us not impede the rights of others in their persuit of a better, happier and freer life. And let us not let our own narrow mindedness and ill founded prejudices define our attitudes towards our fellow citizens.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:28 pmWhy in every conversation about homosexual rights, the nuts bring up pedophiles, bestiality, incest, and polygamists...geez, there is a difference - gays do not choose to be gay - the rest of them its a consciouos choice.
And why is this site so jammed with angry right-wing-nuts? If what is expressed on this website does not conform with what you think is right, THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!
God, what a bunch of petty, prejudiced righties.......go stick your head back up george and dick's assess.....
September 7th, 2007 at 9:29 pmExactly what part of "ALL men are created" equal didn't you ignorant know-nothings get?
If I didn't know better, I'd think you read it as "ALL white, land-owning, sexually repressed, heterosexual males" are created equal -- everyone else is a second class servant who exists only to serve the more-equals.
God forgive us all.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI knew the facists were always repressed homosexuals. They always looked quite gay with there skin heads and combat boots.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:28 am"A gay person has the right to marry another gay person. It’s an individual right." I agree with this. I am a gay guy for 5 years. I am looking for my partner online. Please contact me via gaymalecenter.com. Waiting for you!
October 28th, 2007 at 8:49 pm