DHS ends controversial data-mining project.
By on Sep 5th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
DHS ends controversial data-mining project.
The Department of Homeland Security “has given up on one of its broadest anti-terrorism data-mining tools after investigators found it was tested with information about real people without the required privacy safeguards.”
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yeah, i have a bridge in Minnesota i’ll sell ya dirt cheap too!
September 5th, 2007 at 1:49 pmhttp://www.charlotte.com/nation/story/263361.html
September 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmSix nuclear warheads on cruise missiles were mistakenly carried on a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana last week, prompting a major investigation, military officials have confirmed.
The plane took the cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base for decommissioning Thursday, the Air Force said.
“This is a major gaffe, and it’s going to cause some heads to roll down the line,” said Don Shepperd, a retired Air Force major general and military analyst for CNN.
The warheads should have been removed from the missiles before they were attached to the B-52 bomber, according to military officials.
The crew was unaware that the plane was carrying nuclear weapons, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the extraordinary sensitivity and security surrounding the case.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.html
Time to get rid of these monstrous weapons
September 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI’d bet they’ve just changed the name without even slowing down.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pm…Not to mention that it was patently “illegal” to begin with??
September 5th, 2007 at 1:57 pmhttp://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Six nuclear warheads on cruise missiles were mistakenly carried on a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana last week, prompting a major investigation, military officials have confirmed.
Shepperd said the U.S. had agreed in a Cold War-era treaty not to fly nuclear weapons. “It appears that what happened was this treaty agreement was violated,” he said.
WHAT WHAT WHAT ????????????????
September 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pmIf DHS would spend it’s money securing our ports, borders & transportation hubs they wouldn’t have to be spying on Americans.
Chertoff waddled around SE MN a couple of weeks back, spouted a bunch of BS & then informed people they would qualify for low interest loans. He was obviously uncomfortable being around ‘real people’.
DHS had billions budgeted & what are they doing? Fearmongering & talking about ‘gut feelings’.
Less than 1% of consumer goods imported from China are inspected.
Are you OK with that?
When America’s icon, Barbie Doll, can give your child lead poisoning, you should be concerned.
Outsourcing labor to China has made Corporate America even richer. They will continue poisoning us as long as the profit line holds.
Bush is America’s Profit. A false God, to say the least.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:02 pmLook at the bright side, it wasn’t Chertoff in charge of something like a war game involving nuke equipped B-52s. He could have been watching over a training flight from, say, North Dakota to Louisiana and then mistakenly wiped Missouri off the map with a practice drop that turned out to be live………
Oops, my bad!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:09 pm5 will get you 10 that the program is still in full operation, albeit under a different name and/or department like say, the CIA, the DOD, or something else.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:10 pmIt is not illegal to spy on the enemy during wartime.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI bet the progressive ideologues here are rejoicing in their uninformed misunderstanding of this data-mining project from the DHS. These progs are rejoicing because they presumptuously put civil liberties and privacy above and beyond the most important priority in the States today (and, no, leftards, it’s not healthcare): securing the homeland from more terror attacks. However, before you progressives rejoice by burning yet another Bush effigy, you should take care to be circumspect–something you NEVER are–by clicking on the link and reading the ASSociated Press link about this article. In it, a higher-up in the DHS clearly is quoted as saying that while this particular mining project is finished, the DHS will use other ones with similar functionality that are also more cost-effective. Translation: all you progressives will continue to suffer MORE nightmares from the federal govt’s rightful policy of mining through data to connect potential terrorists.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pm#8 What is your point, Jake? This isn’t about spying on the enemy, unless you want to declare all U.S. citizens the enemy. This is about indiscriminate spying on Americans without probable cause and without court supervision. What part of that don’t you get?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmComment by KeithOlbermann’spsychoticallyunhingedcommentary! — September 5, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Beat it, freak. No one here gives a damn what you say.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pmEither the DHS finally became concerned that they would soon be held accountable for this program or they’ve come up with something far worse. Of this I am sure, the vast majority of the $45 million spent on ADVISE went into the mitts of Republican campaign contributors.
AF
September 5th, 2007 at 2:17 pmMaybe it’s just me, but I have noticed that I have no emails in my “Sent Items” file from the end of November 2006 through August of 2007.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pmIt is not illegal to spy on the enemy during wartime.
Comment by Jake D.
You’re pathetic and a traitor to this country if you are inferring the citizens of this nation – whom the DHS has been spying on and testing their data – are the enemy. Is that what you are saying?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pmcomment by Jake Dumb;
So you consider the American people as the enemy?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmIt is not illegal to spy on the enemy during wartime.
Comment by Jake D.
Please clarify this statement.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pmHey, DHS: how many fingers am I holding up now?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pm.
I suspect that the suspension of this program has more to do with Albert Gonzalez’ termination and Acting Attorney General Clement’s taking over. Several of the programs that DHS has been implementing do not pass basic privacy protections that even the Bush Justice Department believe apply.
With Gonzo on his way out it means that Justice Dep’t is not likely to reauthorize certain spying programs such as the one that Gonzo and Card tried to get John Ashcroft to reauthorize while in the hospital. Does anyone doubt that when Gonzalez became Attorney General that he then approved the program(s) that Ashcroft refused to authorize?
Legal Warrior
September 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt is not illegal to spy on the enemy during wartime.
Comment by Jake D.
They are not spying on the enemy asshat, they are spying on us. If you read anything other than the RNC talking points, you would know that this Data Mining operation was mining data on US citizens, not on foreigners or “terrorists”.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIt is not illegal to spy on the enemy during wartime.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
We aren’t at war, Mr. widestance, congress didn’t declare war.
It is illegal to abuse the authority of the government to spy on innocent people without probable cause. So much for the ‘theory’ that you ever deserved to practice law – you piece of sh!t hack!
September 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmJake means us. We are the enemy. Bush’s war on us demands that he spy on us.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:41 pm.
… Bush’s war on us demands that he spy on us.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — September 5, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
AND those pesky political enemies…
well, that would be us, huh…
September 5th, 2007 at 2:45 pm…
bullshit. this project hasn’t ended. it will be rebranded and tweaked and reintroduced as the next shiny new weapon in the worldwide war against islamosuiciderhaterfascists…
September 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pmJeannie See:
Some U.S. citizens are, unfortunately, the enemy in this war, see e.g. Lindh and Padilla.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pmSome U.S. citizens are, unfortunately, the enemy in this war, see e.g. Lindh and Padilla.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Some U.S. citizens are criminals, Jake, which is why we have a system in which judges issue search warrants, wiretap warrants, etc. Didn’t you learn about any of this in law school?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmLuckily, for the rest of us, John “terrorists are only criminals” Kerry did not get elected President.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:01 pmSome U.S. citizens are, unfortunately, the enemy in this war, see e.g. Lindh and Padilla.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
We aren’t at war, Congress hasn’t declared war. For someone that claims to be a member of the California bar, you’re particularly incompetent with your legal arguments. You should have been disbarred, you piece of filth.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pmLuckily, for the rest of us, John “terrorists are only criminals†Kerry did not get elected President.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
The two election officials that went to jail in Ohio throw doubt on your election theory. As for ‘terrorists are only criminals’, another GOP lie of omission, no terrorists are also ‘terrorists’, a FORM of criminals. You’re a real piece of trash, Jake D. And your stance is too WIDE.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFor the record, I’m already retired — there’s also no “magic words” needed for a legal declaration of war — the AUMF suffices.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI don’t believe it. They think spying is their only real power.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pmFor the record, if Bush was not elected either time, then the 22nd Amendment limit of two terms doesn’t apply. You’d better hurry up though, Fake Jakes, you are already behind the post count.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmFor the record, I’m already retired — there’s also no “magic words†needed for a legal declaration of war — the AUMF suffices.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
For the record, you’re ‘retarded’, you spelled it wrong. Jake thinks the ‘declaration of war’ that only congress can formally declare is just ‘magic words’, he is here to undermine our constitution and our way of life, the very definition of a terrorist. Jake D. is a TERRORIST!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pmSure they have – right….
September 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pmFor the record, if Bush was not elected either time, then the 22nd Amendment limit of two terms doesn’t apply. You’d better hurry up though, Fake Jakes, you are already behind the post count.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
For the record, the constitution refers to ’serving’ two terms, poor jake FOR THE RECORD shows why his law firm is thrilled he retired!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:09 pmI bet the progressive ideologues here are rejoicing in their uninformed misunderstanding of this data-mining project from the DHS. These progs are rejoicing because they presumptuously put civil liberties and privacy above and beyond the most important priority in the States today (and, no, leftards, it’s not healthcare): securing the homeland from more terror attacks. However, before you progressives rejoice by burning yet another Bush effigy, you should take care to be circumspect–something you NEVER are–by clicking on the link and reading the ASSociated Press link about this article. In it, a higher-up in the DHS clearly is quoted as saying that while this particular mining project is finished, the DHS will use other ones with similar functionality that are also more cost-effective. Translation: all you progressives will continue to suffer MORE nightmares from the federal govt’s rightful policy of mining through data to connect possible terrorists.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI bet the progressive ideologues here are rejoicing in their uninformed misunderstanding of this data-mining project from the DHS. Comment by OlbermannactuallyhasashowonTV? — September 5, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
I bet you wear pink lacy panties when you make your WIDE STANCE at the mens room!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:12 pmFor the record, Jake is a FU(KHEAD idiot. Oh, and he lies. Worst of all, he is irrelevant.
There, on “the list”. ;-)
September 5th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.”
If you won’t even concede Bush was elected, he certainly hasn’t held the Office or acted as President, has he? The word “serve” is not found anywhere in the 22nd Amendment. For the record, calling someone “retarded” is a personal attack.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmAnyone else?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmHey Jake, do ya think my comment was a personal attack? I sure hope you got that at least…..
September 5th, 2007 at 3:18 pmSure, I believe them. They wouldn’t lie to the American people now would they?
September 5th, 2007 at 3:20 pmAnyone else?
Comment by Jake D
No. One idiot troll is all most mortals should have to deal with. You showed up at TP one day and you won’t leave. Your posts are juvenile and your playground retorts are childish and foolish. If you are truly trying to represent the republican side, you are not doing them any favors. Anybody still trying to decide which side of the fence they will stand should read your posts. Based on your words, they would agree the right side needs medical attention very quickly. Even if your words had substance and import, I don’t mind an opposing point of view. You simply show off your substandard application of the rights talking points. You don’t even do a good job at reciting other peoples words. Geez, who would have thought home schooling would have such a devstating impact on your ability to reason. Makes me thankful I went to public school.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThis cabal in the admin. will be ousted and the Rethug party is DEAD. It will take awhile to clean up the sickening mess these stupid Neocon morons have created but we will succeed. Our Constitution will not be brought down by a few warmongering, money grubbing criminals who are supported by the most ignorant portion of our population.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:24 pmRethugs are all just a bunch of closet homosexuals who think our tax dollars belongs in their and their pal’s hands.
WRONG AGAIN.
They have created the LARGEST govt. of any admin, spent more money than any admin. ( with nothing to show for it) and lead our troops into a war they had NO CLUE how to win because that wasn’t their intent. The intent was to wipe out Iraq and take their national treasure.
True criminals one and all. Their supporters are nothing more than Nazi locksteppers.
listening to randi… she is talking about her ideas that may tie the repugs throwing craig out with the warrentless spying…
seems craig was one of the few repugs who were against it…
dubya even called craig “a g_ d_ traitor” once, because of it…
maybe specter wants to keep craig on for his vote to fix that mess…
seems logical to me…
September 5th, 2007 at 3:27 pm…
Luckily, for the rest of us, John “terrorists are only criminals†Kerry did not get elected President.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
You forgot the little heh heh snicker. For the record, Jake, all of the terrorists caught in places like England were caught using standard criminal investigation techniques. Funny how that works.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:35 pmFor the Record, Jake D. abdicates his own rights as a US citizen due to his membership in an extremist religious organization that terrorizes gay people and abortion clinics. Jake D. is a self admitted terrorist who admits he doesn’t want any rights for terrorists.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:38 pmIf you won’t even concede Bush was elected, he certainly hasn’t held the Office or acted as President, has he? The word “serve†is not found anywhere in the 22nd Amendment. For the record, calling someone “retarded†is a personal attack.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
For the record, if the person IS retarded, it’s a description, not an attack.
For the record many presidents that have served were not elected, Truman for instance. I made poor Jake look like a FOOL, and now the poor old f*rt can’t cope! Widen your stance Jake D!ck, you’ll feel better!
For the record “hold the office” is a “synonym” for “serve in the office” for anyone who isn’t as retarded as Jake the dumbest lawyer to hold the california bar!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAd hominem attacks are never appropriate in proper debate — even if it’s an accurate description — even retarded people can be right twice a day.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThe fact is the Republican agenda is DEAD. It only survives in the gullible, easily-manipulated few, and the old-timers who can’t bring themselves to leave the only thing they know.
Bush has a raised an enter GENERATION that hates his party, its agenda, and everything it claims to stand for.
Illegal, unamerican spying programs like this are all the republicons have to maintain control. With each attempt at holding on though, they only loose more grip. They’ve already clearly lost their grip on reality. Just look at how they have paid hacks writing posts in defense of them. In reality these hacks only illustrate how dangerous and unamerican these types of things are.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAd hominem attacks are never appropriate in proper debate — even if it’s an accurate description — even retarded people can be right twice a day. Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
The retard is admitting he was right, while attacking the person that bested him! Accuracy is always appropriate Jake D., what’s inappropriate is the disingenuous fashion you use to ‘debate’, as it isn’t debate it’s deceptive banter. We’re ALL sure many a judge lectured you on this bad habit, yet here you are, a retarded old f*rt that never learned anything!
Jake D. was wrong YET AGAIN, and while you’re at it, please go turn yourself in for the Terrorism activities of your CHURCH like a good little terrorist. Retard.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” can decipher who was “retard” admitting “he was right” please let me know.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†can decipher who was “retard†admitting “he was right†please let me know.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Wow, I think ol Jake is going to have “debate” himself out of that one……
September 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmFor the record, I know that the personal attack on me = “retard” — it was the “he was right” part I don’t understand.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:47 pm