Goldsmith: In DoJ Hiring Interview, I Was Asked ‘Are You A Republican?’
Goldsmith: In DoJ Hiring Interview, I Was Asked ‘Are You A Republican?’
In his new book, The Terror Presidency, former Office of Legal Counsel chief Jack Goldsmith claims “he was quizzed about his political loyalties during his initial job interview” with the Department of Justice. According to Goldsmith, the first question asked in his interview with David Leitch, a deputy to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales, was about his political loyalties:
Goldsmith also said in his book that — like many other Justice Department hires — he was quizzed about his political loyalties during his initial job interview. One of Gonzales’s deputies, David Leitch, opened the conversation by asking him about an $800 campaign contribution Goldsmith had given to a law school dean who was a Democrat. “Why have you never given money to a Republican?” Leitch asked, according to the book. “Are you a Republican?“
Hiring career employees based on political affiliation is forbidden under both federal law and internal Justice Department rules. Though Goldsmith is a political appointee, and thus not covered by federal law, his experience is part of a pattern of politicization in the Bush Justice Department that often did cross the legal and ethical line.
During her May testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, former Justice Department White House Liaison Monica Goodling admitted that she had “taken inappropriate political considerations into account” while hiring. Pressed by Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA), Goodling conceded that her actions were “illegal.”
Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bradley Schlozman, who recently resigned, also imposed a partisan litmus test in his hiring at the Civil Rights Division, even boasting of the number of Republicans he had hired.
The Inspector General of the Justice Department, Glenn Fine, is currently investigating the politicization of the hiring process at DoJ.
UPDATE: It’s been pointed out that as the head of the Office of Legal Counsel, Goldsmith was actually a political appointee, so he wasn’t covered by the federal law barring the consideration of political affiliation in hiring. The post has been updated to reflect that while still noting the pattern of politicization at the DoJ that did seemingly cross the legal line.
UPDATE II: TPM’s Paul Kiel has more on Goldsmith’s interview, including the fact that Alberto Gonzales and David Addington were also involved.
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where are the apologists?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:03 amThere’s no need to ASK the question. Voter registration and political contributions are public records.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:07 am#1 see #2
September 5th, 2007 at 11:08 amJake D. sez:
So why were the questions asked?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:08 ambut they did ask jake. THEY BROKE THE LAW> Defend them if you please but they are criminals.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:10 amBettr look out. Jerk D is both a Korean War vet AND a Stanford law grad. That means he’s right about everything, even when he has no idea what he’s talking about, which is damned near everytime he posts something.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:10 amYeah, Jake; Tell us why the questions asked?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:10 amThe DOJ will pay publicly for their lack of ethics. The DOJ has allowed the SSA to completely disregard the Americans with Disabilities Act. I have 500 pages of proof. SSA allows Administrative Law Judges to disregard previous disability orders making the applicant forfeit time and benefits and money back to the SSA. This is illegal and the DOJ will publicly be humiliated again. Who profited? Blue Cross Blue Shield and Unum Colonial……… sounds very fishy,…. watch for news coming out of SC.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:10 amShakey Jake will be hiding behind his infantile “ignore list’ for the remainder of this thread.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:12 amliz:
What “proof” do you have?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:14 amWhat “proof†do you have?
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Goldsmiths testimony for starters, that supports the testimony of dozens of other DOJ hires.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:15 am“where are the apologists?
Comment by cha cha cha — September 5, 2007 @ 11:03 am
There’s no need to ASK the question. Voter registration and political contributions are public records.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 11:07 am”
right on cue.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:15 amNot to mention the recorded confession under oath, by Monica Goodling, a republican.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:16 amJake D(emon); answer the question posted by Trip.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:17 amWhy does TP never post stories like these?….
Massive terror plot uncovered in Germany…
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22367257-5012749,00.html
Islamic terorist indicted in Norway, plotting to attack the U.S. or Israeli embassies…
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i_1VUdbIjEkaGaIUIqv_WnOeudsAhttp://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i_1VUdbIjEkaGaIUIqv_WnOeudsA
Al-Qaeda tied terrorists plot bombs in Denmark…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6977741.stm
Are these stories unimportant?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:18 amWhat “proof†do you have?
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Is she supposed to post 500 pages here, Jake?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:18 amRingo
1: They are tributes to how bad Bush has been for global terrorism so I suppose they could have, but…
2: They aren’t America specific. It took TP days to start covering the Lebanon conflict and then it was only due to popular requests.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:19 amSo why were the questions asked?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 5, 2007 @ 11:08 am
Well, duh! Cause they’re not psychic…
If you know of a better way to find out whether a potential employee is a “Loyal Bushie,” I’d love to hear it!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:21 amAre these stories unimportant?
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Actually TP should post those stories, it proves beyond doubt, that the Iraq war is not making us safer, and in no way prevents international terrorism. That in order to fight international terrorism, it does require police work, and investigation. Troops should be used in small groups to raid suspected compounds, and a other similar gray ops.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:21 amPage 3 of Karl Rove’s “Subsume the Nation in GOPrism NO MATTER WHAT” strategy pamphlet reads: “Why have you never given money to a GOPr?â€
September 5th, 2007 at 11:21 amBruce Gorton,
Well, those are pretty lame answers.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:21 amComment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Jingo,
EVERY SINGLE ‘terror threat’ we’ve had pushed down our throats since 9/11 (which itself is more than suspect) has been either a ridiculous exaggeration, an entrapment scheme, an outright hoax, or a combination of two or all three of these.
Every single one. Based upon this administration’s track record to date, I predict that these latest “terrorist incidents†will be more of the same.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:24 amRingo
What’s lame about them? That they actually point out that those stories don’t support your chimp’s strategy or that TP normally doesn’t cover international news?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:25 amAre these stories unimportant?
Comment by Ringo
I think they are important. Especially for a couple of reasons. One, these terrorists were all apprehended through good law enforcement…not by invading other countries. Seems to me this makes those countries safer. Second, it seems these terrorists have gone into the countries legal system and will be held accountable in a civilized way. Glad that you champion the way other countries are handling their terrorist enforcement…lord knows those kind of stories would be hard to find about the current US administration.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:26 amComment by TripMaster Monkey — September 5, 2007 @ 11:24 am
…And the crowd goes wild!!!
Perfect again! It is the story of the little girl who cried: “WOLF!”
September 5th, 2007 at 11:27 amComment by Krazny,
Why no stories on the almost daily murder of Buddhists by Islamic terrorists in Southern Thailand and Catholics in the Southern Philippines?
Or even Pakistan….
September 5th, 2007 at 11:28 amhttp://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSISL3739620070904?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/mochila.php?articleId=7952907&channelId=73&buyerId=talkingpointsmemo_com400732&buid=
Nothing like our own guys screwing up to brighten the day.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:28 am“Well, those are pretty lame answers.”
AKA “I didn’t personally _like_ your answers so I will proclaim them lame.”
Thinking with the _gut_, as ever.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:29 am& why isnt anyone following up on this shit?!?!?!
lemme guess, Leahy’s gonna write a letter….
September 5th, 2007 at 11:29 amOh ringo,
Why no stories about phillipino transsexuals leading a dance troupe….ah but there are some on cnn for you.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 amIt is funny Ringo you want to discuss far and wide the attacks on Bhuddists in Pakistan, but seem to think we should never discuss the suicide bombings in Iraq. Why is that?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 amGood points, Ringo.
P.S. to liz — can you post ONE page of “proof”?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:28 am
I agree completely. Thank you for pointing these out. I wish TP would cover more of these type stories that you mention and less of what some talking head said on some show I don’t care about. Thank you.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 amJames Seville Row; I never gave money to the GOP in my life, but in 1980 in response for Bonzo’s campaign fundinraising, I DID send in a bandaid(for humanitarian aid… those paper cuts are soooo nasty.). (:-D)
September 5th, 2007 at 11:32 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070905/ap_on_re_eu/germany_terror
Terrorists ahve been targeting Ramstein since i was a kid – they tried to take out my father there in the early eighties (But it was the Red brigade a commie terrist organ back then)…nothing new – and the german police are actually competent at what they do – funny us mericans had to rely on them to intervene to save us.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:32 amOh, and aside from the stories that Ringo mentioned, if anyone from TP is reading this, I would love to see a story on Donald Vance, and especially a story on TP starting a REGISTRATION (HINT! HINT!)
September 5th, 2007 at 11:34 amThere’s no need to ASK the question. Voter registration and political contributions are public records.
Comment by Jake D
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I don’t know if it’s the same in every state of the union, but in California a person can register to vote without revealing their political affiliation. They can register as an “NP” (no party) or as an “I” (independent). While it won’t allow voting in an established party’s primary, it allows voting in the general election. And I think there are States that even allow primary election voting without stating party affiliation.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:35 amP.S. to liz — can you post ONE page of “proof�
Comment by Jake D.
As opposed to you making even one post that has a factual basis?
Now run off and hide behind your “Ignore List”, you useless f*ckwit.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:36 amJake D. sez:
Shakey, you have yet to turn in your quiz over on the “Bush’s advisers tell him what he wants to hear” thread, as well as answer the perfectly legitimate question asked of you by Uncle Ho and myself on this thread.
Get your own house in order before you start criticizing someone else’s.
(You can, of course, choose to hide behind your childish ‘ignore list” rather than face me, but it’s pretty clear to everyone here that that’s an admission of defeat.)
September 5th, 2007 at 11:36 amRingo
What, you mean the same Pakistan which is allied to America?
Again, TP doesn’t normally cover international news. It covers American news.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:37 amNow would be a wonderful time for the “tough on crime” president to show his toughness on crime by making sure the lawbreakers at the DOJ are prosecuted. (I can dream, can’t I?)
Oh, and Ringo – one reason I don’t jump at the news this morning about the uncovering of the so-called terrorist plots is that new like that has been so often released with political timing and often turns out to be false. See the tofu-eating Rastafarians from Miami who were stopped from blowing up Chicago, even though they have never been there.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:38 amWhat’s lame about them? That they actually point out that those stories don’t support your chimp’s strategy or that TP normally doesn’t cover international news?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
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That TP doesn’t cover international news is proof the TP is not a serious source of information and that it is so concerned with domestic politics that it misses the defining conflict of our times.
Much of the Islamic world has declared war against the infidel world and it started long before ChimpskyMcHaliburton took office and will continue long after he has gone……And the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.
It’s pathetic really.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:40 amAgain, TP doesn’t normally cover international news. It covers American news.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — September 5, 2007 @ 11:37 am
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Another thing I would love to see changed. There is a poster here who uses the name “Tobey Tall”. I look forward to his posts every day and I wish TP would hire him for a foreign news section.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by bobh — September 5, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Lets take their pens and computers and printers away. Maybe they’ll all stop writing letters and ACT GDmnit!
Does anyone have any doubts what would have already happened to the occupier of the white house if he is Democrat and the GOPrs have control of Congress?
Impeach Bush and Cheney and fix the communal coronaries and ulcers the populace is experiencing!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:41 am#2
September 5th, 2007 at 11:44 amThen why ask the question?
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It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
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I believe it is wrongly addressed on both sides of the aisle. The left doesn’t want to address it most of the time, and the right believes that Iraq is the solution to everything. While I don’t believe that our troops in Iraq will prevent terrorism in Thailand, I do believe there is an efficient way of handling the issue worldwide, from a law enforcement perspective.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:45 amREALITY is on my Ignore List!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:45 amFor the record, posting 1) too much from Wikipedia and 2) not “making even one post that has a factual basis” are mutually exclusive (the second is an example of a “personal attack” if anyone wants to discuss that as well). But, here’s even one more post with a factual basis:
Jack Goldsmith has only donated to GOP candidates: http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?key=cvvbt&txtName=goldsmith,%20jack&txtState=(all%20states)&txtAll=Y&Order=N
How many Demoncrats did that?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:46 amRingo
Wait… You take TP as a serious source of news? IT IS AN OPINION BLOG.
It isn’t supposed to be a serious source of information, it is supposed to be a site dedicated to discussing the news.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:46 amAnd the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.
It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
ROFL project much. You read books and articles by paranoid nutters, and demand we fit into your predetermined conclusions. Ringo, the left knows there are problems and issues. The difference is, we know it can be fought without launching a new crusade into the middle east.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:46 amArt:
I have no idea, but I would ask David Leitch instead of me. Are you trying to circumvent the “Ignore List”?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:48 amJake…
Why dont you tell us who funds the terrorists – actual terrorist groups
September 5th, 2007 at 11:52 amJake D., are you a terrorist?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:52 amIt is interesting how many distracting posts about foreign affairs and terrorism there are on a thread about illegal politicization of the Justice department by Republicans, as reported by those with first-hand experience.
Quick! Look over there! A shiny thing!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:54 amNo, Polly. Are you?
September 5th, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by Chris L — September 5, 2007 @ 11:45 am
In unison! Share information and advise allies to perform THEIR own law enforcement and ask for help if they need it. This way we can recover a little bit of the saving-face dignity we have lost.
No matter how concerned we are about terrorism, we should allow sovereign nations to deal with their own law enforcement. Sometimes, you might think other nations are too slow reacting to these threats, but do we know what kind of issues there are dealing with?
Try and explain our Constitutional crisis and how it relates to the Iraq War and why the troops are still not home even if majority of the country wants them home to a foreigner and get ready for the big “Huh?”.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhat, the question wasn’t “do you believe W is the reincarnation of Christ on Earth?” or “Do you believe the Europeans did not stay in the Middle East long enough during the Crusades?” How about “how many bricks of $100 bills fit in a standard Army issue dufflebag or cargo pallet?” That would show their ability to think outside the box. Or, my best one yet, “is the United States of America a democracy, republic or burgeoning dictatorship? And how can you help us to make the latter a reality?”
All you who think this is no big deal, please come back in 18 months and tell us all how you feel. What goes around comes around (and lest you think I’m gloating, I’m just stating the horrible, unvarnished fact)
September 5th, 2007 at 11:57 amI wonder if Jake would comment on the subject matter of this thread? Discrimination based on party loyalty is forbidden but yet we see another republican guilty of this.
Bush lied when he said he would bring back honor and integrity back to the white house but yet this is ignored by the rabid.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:00 pmThat TP doesn’t cover international news is proof the TP is not a serious source of information and that it is so concerned with domestic politics that it misses the defining conflict of our times.
It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo
I can look back over the past two days and see stories on Australia, Iraq, global climate change, etc. I don’t get the point that you try to make that TP doesn’t cover international stories. Pathetic.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:00 pmMuch of the Islamic world has declared war against the infidel world and it started long before ChimpskyMcHaliburton took office and will continue long after he has gone……And the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.
It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
No it hasn’t. Islam is not at war with the west, despite what a handful of Wahhabis and the Republican al-Qa’ida would have you believe. Most of the “Islamic world” just wants to be left the hell alone.
However, a good portion of the “Islamic world” just happens to be sitting on top of natural resources that would be very profitable for a handful of U.S.-based multinational firms. These firms then drive a U.S. foreign policy that uses bribery and intimidation to guarantee their access to these resources. Whenever any of the citizens of the host countries object to this policy, they are labelled “terrorists,” regardless of their ideology.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:00 pmFor the record, Jake D has the emotional maturity and social skills of a 13 year odl.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:02 pmNo, Polly. Are you?
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 11:54 am
We don’t believe you. You act like a terrorist, you hate our constitution, our values, our way of life, and our ‘liberal’ ideas just like Osama does. We all believe you’re a terrorist Jake D.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“However, a good portion of the “Islamic world†just happens to be sitting on top of natural resources that would be very profitable for a handful of U.S.-based multinational firms.”
And if global warming exposes more areas for drilling in the Arctic, suddenly we’ll see stories of “terrorist” Eskimos, who need to be occupied by US military forces for their own good.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:04 pmAnd the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.
It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Get off the Unicorn, your paranoia can be treated with better meds, Meth boy.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:05 pmdlet
TP doesn’t deal with news that doesn’t relate directly to America. The Australian stories relate to Bush, America’s president, visiting a foreign country, America is an occupying power in Iraq, and global climate change is often seen as being rooted in America’s lack of action on the issue.
It isn’t like TP covers international news like: http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=556900
September 5th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWas Henry H. Perritt, Jr. a Democrat back then? I note that Goldsmith gave $2,000 to the Bush re-election campaign on 12/16/2003 (see link above).
September 5th, 2007 at 12:06 pmLuckily for me, the NSA doesn’t believe I’m a terrorist ; )
September 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pmTP doesn’t even cover the terrorism at home.
Get off yur high horses Ringo, Jake, and Bob trolling for love in all the wrong places.
You think you can get your stories discussed on TP. Progressives can’t get progressive stories discussed here.
You have to make your own conversation and bypass the byline without too much notice. And don’t include “P.e.a.c.e C.o.r.p.s” in your comments or you’ll be deleted.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:09 pm“These firms then drive a U.S. foreign policy that uses bribery and intimidation to guarantee their access to these resources. ”
Comment by toasterhead — September 5, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Instead of mutual diplomacy and transparent business negotiations…
Yesterday Sanders of Rhode Island made a point on the Senate floor that “Last year, the combined networth of the top 400 individuals in our Country grew by 120billion dollars for a total of 1.25 trillion Dollars”.
How much money, power and influence is enough. So it costs you 10 cents to produce a gallon of gas instead of 2 cents. You are still maiking a killing!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:09 pmLuckily for me, the NSA doesn’t believe I’m a terrorist ; )
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
How do you know? What about the FBI? You would after all be a DOMESTIC terrorist, like your Christian buddies at ruby ridge and the McVeigh clan.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:10 pmAnd if global warming exposes more areas for drilling in the Arctic, suddenly we’ll see stories of “terrorist†Eskimos, who need to be occupied by US military forces for their own good.
Comment by barfly — September 5, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Probably true – they’ve already tried the legal route to no avail: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6408441.stm
September 5th, 2007 at 12:10 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — September 5, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Um…I thought this site was for progressing ideas to better America. If you don’t like that type of format then I would suggest to you and Ringo to find another site that suits your international flair and style.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:11 pmFor the record, Shakey Jake has still failed to answer the question put to him by three separate people here on this thread: namely, If the questions didn’t need to be asked, why were they?
For the record, this question is on-topic for this thread, was asked without accompanying insults, and was asked by no less than three individuals.
Yet, Shakey continues to resolutely ignore the question…behavior that he has said would qualify one for the “ignore list” if it was directed at him.
Shakey, your ridiculous hypocrisy is laid out for all to see.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:11 pmYou are a joke.
Was Henry H. Perritt, Jr. a Democrat back then? I note that Goldsmith gave $2,000 to the Bush re-election campaign on 12/16/2003 (see link above).
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Pretty much proves that he values our democracy and the importance of not politicizing the DOJ. You however, are a partisan retarded hack, so no surprise you have no criticism, just 13 year old suitable lame attempts at jokes… You’re ’stunted’ Jake. Tell me, how many ‘wives’ have you gone through because of your lack of social skills?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:12 pmFor the record, if Jake D. ever was an attorney is why attorney jokes are made. Sleazy, (relative moralist) immoral, and hateful attorneys like Jake give all attorneys a bad name.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:14 pmFor the record, I answered Art’s question and am awaiting his answer.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:15 pmdlet
Or maybe you should recognise that the site is an American website which is dedicated over American news and I don’t object to that.
My post wasn’t a criticism, it was simply pointing out that TP doesn’t cover international news – therefore it wouldn’t cover things like Germany catching terrorists.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:15 pmAre these stories unimportant?
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am
AW, Ringo, I just went to Dredge, and he didn’t have any of those stories either.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIs Jake one of the attorney’s who replaced a fired attorney at Justice, which would make Jake a scab.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:16 pmDermot:
I’m retired.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:18 pmOne of Germany’s major banks just went belly up due to its involvement in the hedge fund crime syndicate swindling of investors, especially European ones.
Anyone catch The Company series – seems one of the sub plots was bringing down major financial groups in enemy territories through manipulation of the market. Sound familiar?
After all Germany did refuse to participate in Shock and Awe. Maybe Germany is trying to get back in Bush/CIA good graces by making big stink about terrorist plots being foiled.
Don’t believe what you read in corp media.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:19 pmDon’t tell me, Dermot (because it will be deleted here at TP), but you don’t think planes hit the WTC and/or Pentagon on 9/11, am I right?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pmJake is a fake people, a known liar, pay no attention to that little punk – he is between 25 and 35 and a loser.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — September 5, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Point taken. I just didn’t understand how Ringo doesn’t get the point. But then again why should things change.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pm“Luckily for me, the NSA doesn’t believe I’m a terrorist ; )
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 12:07 pm”
Perhaps not this Administration’s, but there is always the next incarnation of the NSA. Don’t be so quick to be flip or you just might find out what our fearless leader has built in your honor. The total dismantling of the person is how I believe it’s been described.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pmJake – are you retired from Justice?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pmYesterday Sanders of Rhode Island made a point on the Senate floor that “Last year, the combined networth of the top 400 individuals in our Country grew by 120billion dollars for a total of 1.25 trillion Dollarsâ€.
Comment by James Saville Row — September 5, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
$1.25 trillion??? Well, we should be cutting their taxes, pronto. Can you IMAGINE how much trickle-down there could be if all 400 of them went to the mall instead of socking their money away in Grand Cayman???
September 5th, 2007 at 12:20 pmDon’t tell me, Dermot (because it will be deleted here at TP), but you don’t think planes hit the WTC and/or Pentagon on 9/11, am I right
The footage shows planes hitting the WTC.
THere is no footage, at least none that is above suspicion, showing a plane hitting the Pentagon. Just a gaping hole there, and one too small for the wingspread of a jet to fit through
Those are the facts. Just the facts
September 5th, 2007 at 12:22 pmNo.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:22 pmJake D. sez:
No, you didn’t. You evaded his question. There’s a difference.
Answer to what? This?
That infantile accusation disguised as a question doesn’t deserve a response, but, of course, you’ll take that lack of response as an opportunity to add yet another poster who dares to ask you difficult questions to The List â„¢, won’t you?
You make me physically ill, Shakey. How do you stand being you all the time?
(Note: that was a rhetorical question. No need to invoke The List â„¢ to evade it, you coward.)
September 5th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAfter all Germany did refuse to participate in Shock and Awe. Maybe Germany is trying to get back in Bush/CIA good graces by making big stink about terrorist plots being foiled.
Comment by Dermot — September 5, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Then I must offer that the Germans have learned a great deal from us if your hypothesis turns out to be accurate.
Oh what do we know. The best we can offer are our hypotheses and hope our elected leaders can take those and translate into adequate, reasonable policies.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:24 pmThat’s what I thought, Dermot. You should really expand your horizons about “no planes” at the WTC as well:
http://www.911hoax.com/
September 5th, 2007 at 12:24 pm> P.S. to liz — can you post ONE page of “proof�
post some proof your really a veteran. last time you tried someone outed you for plagarizing another vets record. explain why you used someone elses and not your own.
you claim to be a lawyer but didnt seem to have any clue about a recently added ethics portion of the part exam until someone explicitly mentioned it,
September 5th, 2007 at 12:26 pmseveral google-minutes later you seems to have some pretty detailed knowledge about the ethics exam.
Jake
Not interested.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:26 pmFor the record, if you don’t know something, that is an acceptable answer. If anyone else has any questions about the “Ignore List” or anything else, please let me know.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:26 pmFor the record, here’s the “proof” of my California bar #: 32123. Look it up. Not sure how one “proves” military service on-line though.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:29 pmRingo
There could be a CIA-sub-prime-hedge-fund fraud connection to the Germany Al Qaeda plots being foiled. So I would be interested in discussing it. However TP does not like to rattle the CIA cage too much.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:29 pmComment by toasterhead — September 5, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Right you are! Conrad of North Dakota followed-up with like he calls it: “offshore tax scams”. He showed a photo of a sewer processing plant in Europe that Americans buy and lease back to the municipalities they buy these plants from and claim a tax write-off at tax time.
His calculation was that this takes away $200 billion Dollars yearly from the US budget. His point was: If Treasury moved to collect all of the taxes, it would not necessarily be a “tax-hike” as most GOPrs are choosing to label it.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:31 pmFor the record, if you don’t know something, that is an acceptable answer. If anyone else has any questions about the “Ignore List†or anything else, please let me know.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
For the record, Jake D. knows nothing, especially what he doesn’t know, so he never posts acceptable answers, but he does whine like a 13 year old about an “Ignore List”, how JUVENILE. Jake D. has Aspergers, that’s why he’s socially deranged.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:34 pmOh what do we know. The best we can offer are our hypotheses and hope our elected leaders can take those and translate into adequate, reasonable policies – James Saville Row
James, I think you tied your Saville row tie too tight this morning.
We know alot, and the best we can off is far more than hypotheses and hope.
The very least we can do is to NEVER assume our leaders can translate anyting into adequate, reasonable policies.
Always following the dictum of Howard Shinn to journalists -
“Governments Lie”
September 5th, 2007 at 12:34 pm> For the record, here’s the “proof†of my California bar #: 32123.
And we know thats not just some relatives info?
Or a relatives friend? Or a stranger?
Or a stranger?
How?
Did you suddently remember the ethics exam section of the bar was started in the nixon era, after being asked repeatedly about “other tests” and only replying with things like “lincoln passed the bar without taking any tests” or “i took many tests those 2 days”?
Or did you have to look it up online?
And what about your plagarized war record? still wondering?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:35 pmHoward Zinn, not Shinn – brain fog is setting in.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:36 pmThat’s what I thought, Dermot. You should really expand your horizons about “no planes†at the WTC as well:
http://www.911hoax.com/
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Poor stupid Jake D. you really are as dumb as a bag of sh!t, the NO PLANES was at the pentago, not the WTC. Try again son, you really look DUMB DUMB DUMB with that one!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:37 pm>Not sure how one “proves†military service on-line though.
Certainly not by cut and pasting another veterans record word for word..like you did.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:37 pmRingo: “Much of the Islamic world has declared war against the infidel world and it started long before ChimpskyMcHaliburton took office and will continue long after he has gone……And the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.”
That’s just wrong. Most of the Islamic world does NOT agree with a world-wide Caliphate and war with “the west.” This is just the fear-mongering your conservative taskmasters like to spread to keep us in a state of befuddlement. No, every single poll taken in the Muslim world shows that only a small percentage (less than 5% in Iran for example) agree with a world-wide conflict to impose Islam by force.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by Dermot — September 5, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Agreed! We can only hope that we are still in a Constitutional Democracy where the MAJORITY of folks do not fall within that select 400 “chosen ones”.
Senate is in recess. I have to get to work.
Awesome discourse this morning! BRING ‘EM HOME!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:40 pmJake D. sez:
Interesting how you put the word “proof” in quotes, Shakey…
September 5th, 2007 at 12:41 pmNo, every single poll taken in the Muslim world shows that only a small percentage (less than 5% in Iran for example) agree with a world-wide conflict to impose Islam by force.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 5, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Now now, don’t confuse him with facts. It’s just going to get in the way of his preconcieved notions!
September 5th, 2007 at 12:43 pmAre these stories unimportant?
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Interesting to note that Wrongo never posts on the Clinton successes against terrorism, which were many and very important. My buddy George is far behind in those kinds of successes. I wonder why?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:57 pmPity no one in authority gives a tinker’s damn about any of this.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:59 pmNow now, don’t confuse him with facts. It’s just going to get in the way of his preconcieved notions!
Comment by toasterhead — September 5
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Didn’t you say yesterday, that the US deserved 9/11?
I guess we know which side you’re on.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:06 pmMuch of the Islamic world has declared war against the infidel world and it started long before ChimpskyMcHaliburton took office and will continue long after he has gone……And the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.
It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Alas, more ignorant falsehoods from the Wrong One. if I could have that kind of support, we would have aleady buried the Great Satan, but, sadly, most Muslims want to live in peace, ignoring the theft of our resources and the demonizing of our Prophet. I have had more luck enlisting the Bush administration in weakening America, but now it seems that the liberals have exposed the carefully-cultivated lies, smears and fears that we worked so hard to put in place. Please, rightwingers, please, find me one candidate that will do my bidding as eagerly as George Bush has. Not Thompson, he’s too lazy and stupid. Giuliani will be impeached for blowing Bernie Kerick before his first year is up. Romney is more of a religious nutcase than I am. Please find somebody electable that I can buy off, please!
Allah thanks you.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI guess we know which side you’re on.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Like Dobson and the rest of the Rightwing Jihadists?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:11 pmIt’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
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Exactly right.
Comment by Master P — September 5, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Excellent, p, you are right. It’s pathetic that you are so easily frightened by lies and smears. Ringo as well. Pathetic excuses for Americans, both of you.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pmDidn’t you say yesterday, that the US deserved 9/11?
I guess we know which side you’re on.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I did, because we did. Prove me wrong.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:14 pmIt is funny Ringo you want to discuss far and wide the attacks on Bhuddists in Pakistan, but seem to think we should never discuss the suicide bombings in Iraq. Why is that?
Comment by Krazny
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I missed this comment before.
Yes, I do think that we should discuss the attacks in Iraq, especially the sources of the weapons being used, the funding, as well as the tactic of targeting innocents – which is a hallmark of al Qaeda.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:22 pmtoasterhead @ #115,
As far as I’m concerned, you are my enemy.
Given the chance I would beat the living crap out of you.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pmThanks Master P.
I hope all is well with you.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:26 pmas well as the tactic of targeting innocents – which is a hallmark of al Qaeda.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
And George Bush, also the source of the weapons. He is like a brother to me, Allah be praised!
September 5th, 2007 at 1:29 pmRingo
You mean Saudi Arabia?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:30 pmAs far as I’m concerned, you are my enemy.
Given the chance I would beat the living crap out of you.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Threatening me with bodily harm does not disprove my assertion. It is a potential felony, however. I wonder if this site logs IP addresses.
And Master P – pointing out the flaws in 50 years of U.S. foreign policy that directly led to the 9/11 attacks does not make me a traitor. Quite the opposite, in fact. Calling me “sand monkey,” on the other hand, does make you a racist and a bigot.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThanks Master P.
I hope all is well with you.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
That’ll be the day. That sick f*ck will never be well.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pmRingo
You mean Saudi Arabia?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
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Which comment are you referring to?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pmWhich comment are you referring to?
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
The source of the weapons, you idiot. Between Bush’s incompetence at securing the ammo dumps and the Saudi’s massive support (with American money) of terrorism, that’s a good subject for discussion. It really gets to the point of wondering why Bush attacked Iraq, except for oil and his ego.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:35 pmtoasterhead,
I had three friends who died on Sept.11th…..I have ZERO patience for an ignoramus such as you.
GO Fcuk yourself, moron.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmas well as the tactic of targeting innocents – which is a hallmark of al Qaeda.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
As well as the IRA, and Islamic Jihad, and FARC, and the Maoist rebels of Nepal, and the Tamil Tigers, and the Basque separatists, and pretty much every other group in history that has used terrorism as a tactic, regardless of race, religion, or ideology. In fact, it’s pretty much the definition of terrorism – targeting civilians in a violent act with a political motive. So what makes it “al Qa’ida,” exactly, apart from the fact that war supporters like to attribute every single violent act in Iraq to the 7% of fighters in the country who are actually affiliated with the ISI?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmHe won’t have the balls to say anything to my face though.
Comment by Master P — September 5, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Oh, I doubt very much that anyone would be afriad to confront you, master pantywaist. Unless you prove me wrong by enlisting.
I won’t hold my breath.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI had three friends who died on Sept.11th…..I have ZERO patience for an ignoramus such as you.
GO Fcuk yourself, moron.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
I’m deeply sorry for your loss. This does not change my belief that American foreign policy and corporate greed are indirectly responsible for the events that took their lives. If bigotry and hatred is the only thing that brings you solace and comfort after their loss, so be it. I pity you.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pmRingo, don’t misplace your anger over your friends deaths. You aren’t the only one who lost friends that day. Why aren’t you pissed at this administration for not putting all of our troops into Afghanistan instead of Iraq? Why aren’t you demanding that they focus on AQ in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Why do you think that attacking Iraq had anything to do with terrorism or WMD’s?
Don’t confuse anger with this administration and any anti patriot movement because you show your ignorance and lack of true vision when you and the other trolls do that.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pmRingo
You mean Saudi Arabia?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
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I assume you are referring to the funding of insurgents and terrorists in Iraq.
Many of the foreign jihadist in Iraq are Saudi but the Saudis has little to gain from arming jihadist who share the same ideology as al Qaeda (if they are not actually part of al Qaeda) seeing as one of al Qaedas main objectives is the oerthrow of the Saudi monarchy.
We have good evidence now that Iran is the primary funder of terror attacks in side Iraq, a fact that I am sure every deluded TP idiot will attempt, in vain, to refute.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=5D77C600-D051-4D23-8999-7714E6AD6F01
September 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI had three friends who died on Sept.11th…..I have ZERO patience for an ignoramus such as you.
GO Fcuk yourself, moron.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
That’s a terrible thing, Ringo, but even so, Iraq had nothing to do with it; it was George Bush’s failure, and he continues to fail you, your deceased friends, and all Americans.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWe have good evidence now that Iran is the primary funder of terror attacks in side Iraq, a fact that I am sure every deluded TP idiot will attempt, in vain, to refute.
http://frontpagemag.com/ Articles/ Printable.aspx?GUID=5D77C600-D051-4D23-8999-7714E6AD6F01
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
There’s no evidence there, just a rightwing speculative mass of lies and distortions.
Nice try.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:48 pmtoasterhead,
kudos for keeping your comments civil and refusing to sink to Jingo’s and Mr. Pee’s deplorable level.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:48 pmHere are my friends who died on 9/11; Peter, Sue and their two year old daughter Christine:
http://www.petehansonandfamily.com/
Toasterhead,
The only way that you can understand the events that occured on that day is by giving it your own neo-Marxist interpretation. Why can’t you take al Qaeda – and other like-minded groups – at their word?
Why do you feel so compelled to make excuses for them?
What’s wrong with you?
September 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe Saudi Arabian Monarchy has no interest in a strong Al Qeada, but the general population helps to support Al Qeada. Ringo you are a fool. I am sorry you lost friends in the 9/11 attack. You are channeling your anger into an unproductive end. Please understand the world is not a simple black and white place. There are those who view Osama as a hero, not a villian. The reasons the West doesn’t trust the middle east and vice versa, are many and varied.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:04 pmPlease understand the world is not a simple black and white place. There are those who view Osama as a hero, not a villian. The reasons the West doesn’t trust the middle east and vice versa, are many and varied.
Comment by Krazny
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I am aware that the world is not a simple black and white. I am also aware that the world is not one shade of grey either.
Those who view Osama as a hero are my enemy, not because I have chosen them as an enemy but because they have chosen me…and you.
Pull your head out of the sand.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:08 pmRingo, not only is Iran supplying insurgents in Iraq but so have we when over 190,000 weapons vanished. Weapons we supplied and did not account for.
Saudi Arabia had supplied insurgents as well. It’s a mess in Iraq. Iraq didn’t attack us. AQ did and they are in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:09 pmIt’s kind of like asking “What’s your sign?”
September 5th, 2007 at 2:13 pmRingo: “We have good evidence now that Iran is the primary funder of terror attacks in side Iraq, a fact that I am sure every deluded TP idiot will attempt, in vain, to refute.”
Nope. Wrong again. Our own Pentagon issued a report just 3 months ago which stated that the vast majority of foreign armed insurgents come from or through Saudi Arabia and that people in Saudi Arabia are the biggest source of funds for insurgents. The CIA claimed 45 to 55% of foreign insurgents came from Saudi Arabia.
You also asked this: “Why can’t you take al Qaeda – and other like-minded groups – at their word?”
On at least three occasions, members of al Qaeda have said that they prefer Bush’s policies over Democrats. On this issue, Bush supporters don’t seem willing to take the terrorists on their words.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIraq didn’t attack us. AQ did and they are in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Comment by hellinabucket
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And Iraq.
And Europe as well.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:15 pmJingo sez:
Some ‘friends’….I wonder how your ‘friends’ would feel if they knew you were trying to use them as an appeal to emotion on a political blog. Think they’d appreciate being used as chits in your stupid little rant?
Jingo, what the fsck is wrong with you?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:19 pmYou are so missguided. Blind rage does nobody any good. The anger I read looks as though the only answer is another World War but this time it would be on the religous/fear front.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pmMy goodness. We will certainly need a “de-Bushification” program throughout the federal government in 2009. Anyone hired in that period who is found to have significant GOP ties should be summarily fired and forced to re-apply for their job.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:23 pmTripMaster Monkey,
I have posted here for a long time now and this is the first time that I have mentioned them, and I only did so because toasterhead said that he believed that 9/11 was justified.
He really hit a raw nerve with me.
I won’t mention them again…..at least not here at this disgusting website.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmThe only way that you can understand the events that occured on that day is by giving it your own neo-Marxist interpretation. Why can’t you take al Qaeda – and other like-minded groups – at their word?
Why do you feel so compelled to make excuses for them?
What’s wrong with you?
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
I do take al-Qa’ida at their word. Their leaders have said many times that their fight is not with the American people, but with the American government and its foreign policy.
Marxism has nothing to do with it, except tangentially, in that our Cold War strategy of funding jihadists against the Soviet Union (not to mention our support of brutal but U.S.-friendly regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and Israel) helped to create the monster that is al-Qa’ida. And then we abandoned it.
Al-Qa’ida did not appear out of thin air. Understanding the reasons for their activities is not “making excuses for them.” I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference.
And again, I’m sorry for the loss of your friends, and I hope the people who are responsible for their deaths – directly and indirectly – are someday brought to justice.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:26 pmToasterhead,
You are ignorant.
Here is some suggested reading:
http://www.amazon.com/Al-Qaeda-Reader-Raymond-Ibrahim/dp/076792262X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5992094-6230547?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189016995&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Words-Our-Enemies-Jed-Babbin/dp/1596985232/ref=sr_1_1/102-5992094-6230547?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189017059&sr=1-1
The conflict in whic we are now involved started centuries ago:
http://amazon.com/dp/1591023076/ref=s9_asin_image_3/102-5992094-6230547?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1V43ZAWSSEJDKQ8VC9D5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=288448601&pf_rd_i=507846
September 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmI have posted here for a long time now and this is the first time that I have mentioned them, and I only did so because toasterhead said that he believed that 9/11 was justified.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
I never said that. Don’t you dare put words in my mouth. I said that the U.S. deserved the attacks. That does not mean I feel they were justified.
If someone leaves their luggage on a bench at Penn Station and walks off to buy a pretzel, I feel that they deserve to have their luggage stolen for being so stupid. This does not in any way justify the theft, which is still a crime which I believe should be prosecuted accordingly. I just find it hard to feel much sympathy for the victim, who enabled the crime to happen through stupidity.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmToasterhead,
You are ignorant.
Here is some suggested reading:
The conflict in whic we are now involved started centuries ago:
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Thanks – I’ll go check those out when I feel like reading radical right-wing propaganda.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI said that the U.S. deserved the attacks. That does not mean I feel they were justified.
…I just find it hard to feel much sympathy for the victim, who enabled the crime to happen through stupidity.
Comment by toasterhead
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You are a disgrace to humanity.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:41 pmYou are a disgrace to humanity.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
You’re entitled to your opinion. But I’m not the one calling for war with 1/6th of humanity.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYou’re entitled to your opinion. But I’m not the one calling for war with 1/6th of humanity.
Comment by toasterhead
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Nor am I.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pmGod Bless, Ringo.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pmNor am I.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
No?
Much of the Islamic world has declared war against the infidel world and it started long before ChimpskyMcHaliburton took office and will continue long after he has gone……And the Left completely ignores it because such a conflict doesn’t fit into the Left’s predetermined conclusions about the world.
It’s pathetic really.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Ok, so you’re not calling for war with the entire Islamic world. Just “much of the Islamic world.” Much of implies “a majority,” so how much are we talking about – 50%? 60%? 75%? At the very least you are calling for war with 1/12th of humanity.
My bad.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmRingo isn’t calling for war, he is calling for genocide, there is a big difference.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pmRingo isn’t calling for war, he is calling for genocide, there is a big difference.
Comment by Krazny — September 5, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Hey now! He’s not calling for complete genocide – only 51% genocide. Get it right!
September 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pmOk, so you’re not calling for war with the entire Islamic world. Just “much of the Islamic world.†Much of implies “a majority,†so how much are we talking about – 50%? 60%? 75%? At the very least you are calling for war with 1/12th of humanity.
My bad.
Comment by toasterhead — September 5, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Ringo isn’t calling for war, he is calling for genocide, there is a big difference.
Comment by Krazny — September 5, 2007
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I am not calling for genocide.
I’m merely stating the situation in which we are involved. ….I believe that most Muslims simply wish to live in peace, but not all of them. And it is they who have chosen the path of holly war, who hae decided that WE are their enemy, and so therefore, we are.
I’m sorry if it’s not pleasant, I don’t like it either, but putting your head in the sand won’t make it go away.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThat would be ‘holy war’ not ‘holly war’….’scuse me.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:13 pmToasterhead,
See here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
September 5th, 2007 at 3:19 pmI’m merely stating the situation in which we are involved. ….I believe that most Muslims simply wish to live in peace, but not all of them. And it is they who have chosen the path of holly war, who hae decided that WE are their enemy, and so therefore, we are.
I’m sorry if it’s not pleasant, I don’t like it either, but putting your head in the sand won’t make it go away.
Comment by Ringo — September 5, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Well it seems we agree on some things after all. I, too, believe most Muslims wish to live in peace, and I don’t believe that ignoring the problem of religious terrorism will make it go away.
However, I don’t believe religion plays more than a tangential role in the current conflict with al-Qa’ida. I believe religion is a convenient recruiting and rhetorical tool that’s been used throughout history, by leaders of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism, to achieve some very secular goals – money, power, land, resources, etc. While there may be some impressionable footsoldiers of all faiths who believe they’re fighting for their religion, I believe the goals of the people pulling the strings on all sides are far from pious.
I agree that al-Qa’ida is a problem. However, I believe that it is a problem that ultimately can’t be solved militarily. Certainly not by dropping bombs onto wedding parties from 15,000 feet.
September 5th, 2007 at 3:31 pmAnd again posters let the trolls hi-jack the thread….why do you guys respond to these idiots? You do it every time….it is stupid to respond to them and let them take you off the topic at hand.
And Jake you are still a fake.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:00 pmRingo
Osama Bin Laden is a Saudi, most of his recruits are Saudi, and most of the people on those planes that hit the two towers were Saudis, and guess what?
America invaded Iraq. Which had absolutely nix to do with 9/11.
Saudi Arabia is the major source of Al Qaiada’s funding and recruitment, make no mistake guns are going down into Iraq through that border because while the royal family is busy trying to look friendly the people of Saudi Arabia hate you.
Iran right now is a problem – which you can’t do anything about. You can’t do anything about Saudi Arabia either, because ultimately too many other countries rely on Saudi and Iranian oil, and those countries aren’t going to make sacrifices so your petty warlord in chief can look tough.
You don’t understand just how much Iraq has cost you and is still costing. Not just money, but allies and integrity. People don’t trust America anymore when it comes forward and says there is a threat because America lied to us.
You want to beat Osama, your real enemy? You need to get rid of the Republicans, get out of Iraq, start paying down your debt and start treating Osama as a political opponent. You cannot beat an ideology with military force, Ghandi and Ho Chi Minh both proved that, but you can beat it with a political approach.
But of course it is more important to look tough and get the visceral thrill of killing people, than to actually win.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:35 pmHmm, Absolutely stunning.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:32 pmPity no one in authority gives a tinker’s damn about any of this.
Comment by BlueArkansas — September 5, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Wow! I couldn’t get over this one. I had to come back and respond! We provide workable solutions in these threads (even if some of us can benefit from more decorum). The other day I overheard a thread where the Political Science of Hitler’s government was dissected! Wow!
September 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmBesides the political litmus test, culture of corruption Republicans in the Bush administration also applied a religious litmus test.
Any religious litmus test used in hiring any federal employee, whether a political appointee or career hire, is expressly forbidden in the “originalist” body of the United States Constitution!!!!!!
This prohibition against any religious litmus test being used is at the foundation of the wall separating church and state…which is why the worst, most corrupt and most evil administration in American history blew off our Constitution’s outright prohibition of using religion, any religion, as the basis for public service.
One just has to wonder how deep into the bowels of hell Republicans are willing to go in their power-mad lust for absolute power?
September 6th, 2007 at 1:11 amThey will go very far. We are in for a rough road folks. If you’re not “afraid” it is all to clear. If you are…….? ….. can’t help you with that. We’ve been robbed and deceived. It started a very long time ago. It ain’t pretty but that’s reality. Don’t buy it? Man are you in for a shock.
September 6th, 2007 at 3:13 amDear Gov. Blunt and U.S. Attorney Graves,
I was shocked to learn about the appointment of Mr. Graves’ wife and brother-in-law to receive $3.6 million in no-bid contracts by running Missouri fee offices. This situation creates a dangerous conflict of interest for our state and its citizens. We have a right to expect that the U.S. attorney representing Jefferson City will act as a tenacious watchdog protecting the public’s best interests.
If you believe in integrity and if you believe in representing the best interests of the people of this state, you will resolve this conflict of interest immediately. Either Mr. Graves must step down as U.S. Attorney or his wife and brother-in-law must give up their fee office contracts. The choice is yours.
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The Motherlode – Down a dark hole in the US Attorney purge scandal
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September 6th, 2007 at 9:05 am