Pres. Clinton calls for ’substantial drawdown’ this year.
By on Sep 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Pres. Clinton calls for ’substantial drawdown’ this year.
Tonight, President Clinton will appear on CNN’s Larry King Live. From his interview:
I don’t see any alternative, consistent with responsibilities for the national security, to a substantial withdrawal of troops this year. Because the military’s so overstretched. If we had a big national security emergency now, we’d be virtually compelled to meet it with Naval and Air Force forces because the Army, the Marine Corps, the National Guards and Reserves are all overstretched, all deeply stressed. … We’ll have to have a substantial drawdown of troops this year.
Watch it:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/wjcking.320.240.flv]
Clinton added a drawdown in Iraq would help focus efforts to defeat al Qaeda and Taliban forces in Afghanistan.
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Good thing he ain’t President anymore.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:48 pmBut the heroin trade is going so strong!
And look how well we were able to protect and provide relief in aftermath of a major hurricane.
And now our military is flying nukes across the United States, UNKNOWINGLY?????????
“What? ME worry?”
September 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmJake D.
Wouldn’t know it for how you Republicans seem to blame him for everything your chimp has stuffed up since 2000.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmi hate seeing Clinton on TV or speak in public… it just makes the comparison of the then and the now all the more stark and painful.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWould we be “virtually compelled” to use Naval and Air forces like Clinton did, to wag the dog during his impeachment, in Kosovo?
September 5th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHe’s a wise man. Too bad we didn’t elect another one like President Clinton.
“America’s long nightmare of peace and prosperity is over.” — The Onion on George W. Bush’s Inauguration.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:51 pmThe probability of having Bill back in the WH is quite comforting.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:51 pmFor the record, I am registered Independent.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:51 pmYeah, we’d have gone after the real enemy instead of the imaginary ones. We would have kept pressure on Saddam while obliterating the Taliban and AQ. We wouldn’t have left our reserves and national guard at such low levels that a proper response could have been mounted for the victims of Katrina.
We are so much better off with the puppet.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:52 pmFor the record, Clinton was a better president than both Bushs’
September 5th, 2007 at 4:52 pm@8 You expect us to believe that? Really?
September 5th, 2007 at 4:53 pmto wag the dog during his impeachment, in Kosovo?
Comment by Jake D
BULLSH*T LIAR.
You repeatedly claim Bill did not intervene in the genocide there!?
YOU STUPID TROLLS ARE SUCH DEBATE ‘HACKS’.
F*CKING LIARS.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:53 pm#5 Jake D.
your so called Wag the dog could have captured Bin Laden! But the conservative majority and idiotic pervs such as your self thought it more fit to focuss our time on a private sex scandal between concenting adults.
you lose jackass
September 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWILLIAM J. CLINTON, GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER.
GEORGE “CHIMP” BUSH, WORST PRESIDENT EVER.
LIVE WITH THESE FACTS
September 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmEither Bush was a better President than BOTH Clintons combined.
Bill Clinton this morning on the Today Show admitted that Sen. larry Craig is legally entitled to the rest of his term and whether he stays or not is “a personal decision” for him and his family to work out. Sound familiar?
September 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmSince we are no longer a nation of laws, let’s appoint Bill to his third term.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmFor the record, Bush said he didn’t care about OBL.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmDave:
You “prove” your voter registration on-line, and I will do the same.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pmFor the record,
Jake Dumba$$ is not worth the pixels wasted on my LCD…
TOTALLY FULL OF SH*T.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pmFor the record, it’s been 2 years since Katrina hit and Bush has yet to admit he depleted the National Guard and Reserves to fight his conflict and that left insufficient resources for them to conduct their primary mission.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIMPEACH BUSH!
September 5th, 2007 at 4:56 pmre # 5
or cruise missles when he was trying to kill bin laden while all the repubican traitors were doing their best to get in the way?
Why are you republicans so obessed with sex? you support a lying AWOL coward who has trampled the constitiution, the geneva convention, our good name in the world, our own econmny, New Orleans (what have I missed?) and yet you continue, 7 years after clinton is out of office, to complain about 8 years of postive economic growth, lower abortion rates, a successful capture, proseqution, and jailing of islamofacist terrorists who attacked the homeland, because he got a bj from an adult woman who offered it.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:56 pmjake gets his lovin from restrooms. tap tap tap!
September 5th, 2007 at 4:56 pmThank you Mr. President Clinton for speaking out. Keep this subject in front of people.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pmFor the record, Nancy Pelosi took impeachment OFF THE TABLE!!!
September 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pmEither Bush was a better President than BOTH Clintons combined.
Bill Clinton this morning on the Today Show admitted that Sen. larry Craig is legally entitled to the rest of his term and whether he stays or not is “a personal decision†for him and his family to work out. Sound familiar?
Comment by Jake D.
How is Craig not legally entitled to the rest of his term Jake? Answer the question or shut up.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pmthe TODAY show gave him at least 15 minutes this morning…
he made the comment that, paraphrasing, “we are having to train the navy” in (there is a proper term) … tactical maneuvers? …
training the navy recruits to do the army’s jobs…
September 5th, 2007 at 4:59 pm…
Clinton said it. Or is it Clinton did it….what ever….he’s right again though.
Jake you are still a fake and we all know it.
September 5th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#23, 75 cruise missle’s,to be exact
That’s not what I call,”WAG THE DOG”
September 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmFor the record, it’s been 2 years since Katrina hit and Bush has yet to admit he depleted the National Guard and Reserves to fight his conflict and that left insufficient resources for them to conduct their primary mission.
Comment by hellinabucket — September 5, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
I do not recommend that you hold your breath waiting for this admission. You might suffocate.
Actually, that’s not true. Assuming you did have the muscular control to hold your breath for more than about seven minutes. you’d pass out long before you suffocate and then would begin breathing involuntarily immediately afterwards. Unless, of course, you fell and hit your head on something that knocked out your medullar functions. Which would still not be a pleasant outcome.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmI watched the Today Show interview — Bill Clinton admitted that Naval forces are already trained in infantry tactics — about time those prissy boat people rolled up their sleeves on this one.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pmAh, a real president on my TV for a change. I’m so disgusted with the Deserter In Chief’s puerile lies and transparent phoniness, not to mention his amazing lack of vocabulary and grammatical construction, that I can’t bear to watch him. When Clinton is on, it’s what the leader of the Free World should look and sound like, not some fake monkey-cowboy from Crawford. And I didn’t even like Clinton that much, and I, too, am an Independent! It’s just that the comparisons are so stark: Clinton=presidential, competent, intelligent, respected worldwide; Bush=inconsequential, bumbling, moronic, hated wherever he goes.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmas for clinton’s craig statement this morning –
September 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmhe said it was up to the REPUBLICAN PARTY to decide whether
to keep him in office…
…
On the day that Clinton was 45 minutes late in his attempt to kill bin Laden with cruise missles, he had been forced to spend the entire morning in deposition answering questions about oral sex. Republicans called his attempt to kill bin Laden “wagging the dog.”
As good as Clinton’s record was on fighting terrorism, imagine what he could have done with a Democratic congress.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI was inaccurate above re: Kosovo — I was referencing Operation Allied Force, the 78-day-long NATO air bombing campaign over Yugoslavia that began right before Clinton was acquitted in his Senate impeachment trial. In a further coincidence, the missile strikes against Sudan and Afghanistan were announced by the White House moments before the beginning of a press conference in which Monica Lewinsky was to give details of her appearance before Congress.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:05 pmtraining the navy recruits to do the army’s jobs…
More like training sailors to have greater capabilities for situations they might find themselves in. For the goofs who dont have a clue about the military or the Navy (Katy), sailors are instructed in certain tactical maneuvers already.
Every ship without Marines has a duty security detachment that rotates with the duty shift, men who are trained with light weapons and have some small-unit tac capability.
It only makes sense to have all of our military services cross-trained in certain critical areas, considering the type of enemy we now face.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:05 pmorces are already trained in infantry tactics — about time those prissy boat people rolled up their sleeves on this one.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Yeah, there’s no reason little pussy George shouldn’t break all of the armed services while he’s at it. Then the Chinese can take over without spending a dime. Brilliant, Jake, your hatred of America rivals Bush’s.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:05 pmYes, on the “political side” Clinton said it was up to the REPUBLICAN PARTY to decide whether to keep Sen. Craig in office.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:06 pmYep. Too bad the obvious has been banned in favor of the delusional.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pm.
Clinton IQ 182 / Bush IQ 91 – mmmm, go figure.
Jake you’re still a fake.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThank you, Maldriff — that was much more “polite” then how an old Army grunt like me would have put it : )
September 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAfghanistan were announced by the White House moments before the beginning of a press conference in which Monica Lewinsky was to give details of her appearance before Congress.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
see that, Jake? You would have the terrorists free to do their damage rather than have some news focus taken away from two adults engaging in consensual sex. Shows where your priorities lie, traitor.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmyou’d pass out long before you suffocate and then would begin breathing involuntarily immediately afterwards.
And then you may or may not be a veg. and then hellinabucket can see if Bush will interrupt his vacation so as to intervene when they try and pull his plug.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmHey Jake, if you think Monica Lewinsky’s testimony about her personal consenusal affair with Clinton was more important than the United States fulfilling it’s military treaty obligations as part of NATO and the global fight against terrorism, that’s fine. It speaks volumes for your character.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmIt only makes sense to have all of our military services cross-trained in certain critical areas, considering the type of enemy George Bush creates and arms.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Fixed your stupidity.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmFor the record, Bush’s IQ is not 91 and Clinton’s is not exactly twice as high — even JFK was only 119:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm
September 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmThen the Chinese can take over without spending a dime. Brilliant, Jake, your hatred of America rivals Bush’s.
Speaking of the Chinese, where or where did Hsu go? Odd that the lib media hasnt made any hay of this particular development. Odd too that he didnt get a chance to speak of his financial activities to any legal authority. Odder still is that even after being on the lam for fifteen years and obviously a flight risk, the felon was allowed to retain his passport.
Why are the Clinton’s always funking around with shady Chinese figures? That Lincoln bedroom must really be fancy.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:10 pmFixed your stupidity.
Comment by ronjazz — September 5, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
And I thought all the public schools were back in session, I see I was wrong.
Any adults here or is ronjazz the best that “Think Progress” can offer?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:12 pmWonder how much money the fleeing felon Hsu gave Clinton to spew this crap?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:12 pmAll these years later, and all you rightard fools have is Monica. it makes you look petty, foolish, and, well, Republican. How ashamed you must be of your treasonous behavior, yet you can’t stop. Conservatism is a mental disability, not even a disease, just a lack of mental forces. Brainlessness; irrationality. Undeveloped frontal lobes. Thousands of years behind fully-developed humans.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmFor the record, Bush’s IQ is not 91 and Clinton’s is not exactly twice as high — even JFK was only 119:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm
Comment by Jake D.
While yours adjusts with the room temperature.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmThat’s about the “best” from the liberal side.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pmClinton like Jimmy Carter should be ignored when it comes to defending the United States. For eight years he chose not to.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pmFor the record, Bush’s IQ is not 91 and Clinton’s is not exactly twice as high — even JFK was only 119:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
You don’t need a study of IQ’s to tell you that Bush is a bumbling idiot. Listen, I mean really listen to Bush speak. The man couldn’t lead a group of boy scouts.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWhy are the Clinton’s always funking around with shady Chinese figures? That Lincoln bedroom must really be fancy.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
hey, little Georgie and his buddy’s have sold the whole country to the Chinese Communists, so what’s that about? Hsu was a donor, not the president. Why ignore your president’s treason?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmThe two missing Twin Towers in NYC and 3,000 dead Americans are the Clinton legacy. Not his perverted behavior with an intern.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmAny adults here or is ronjazz the best that “Think Progress†can offer?
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Now there’s an “adult” comeback.
Nice try.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmWell Jake the fake, that site states exactly what I posted –
Clinton IQ 182 – Bush IQ 91 – so what’s your point?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:16 pmwas inaccurate above re: Kosovo — I was referencing Operation Allied Force, the 78-day-long NATO air bombing campaign over Yugoslavia that began right before Clinton was acquitted in his Senate impeachment trial. In a further coincidence, the missile strikes against Sudan and Afghanistan were announced by the White House moments before the beginning of a press conference in which Monica Lewinsky was to give details of her appearance before Congress.
Comment by Jake D.
Just because Bush and the rest of you republican cowards will use a war to hide your failures, it doesn’t mean that the rest of us do. Clinton was trying to stop a genocide and honor our NATO treaty commitments in the face of a real partisan witchunt. And as for your comment about navy sailors being “prissy” look in the mirror you lying coward. you never served a day in your life, priss.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:16 pmNo maldrift, there are some libs here who actually try to be cogent though manjizz isnt one of them. He will simply glom-on to something you say and then froth at the mouth over it in his typical wiener-breath manner.
Rongirl is a clown, best you avoid him and save yourself the stink.
How is the dog today, manny, you bumblehead?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:17 pmWhy are the Clinton’s always funking around with shady Chinese figures? That Lincoln bedroom must really be fancy.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Midriff, I guess you prefer the president hold hands and kiss the Saudi Prince’s. Keep the blinders on, your nearing the last quarter pole.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:18 pmLike I said (being an old-time Army vet), I was being “polite” about those Navy pretty-boys.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:18 pmClinton was trying to stop a genocide
He didnt do so hot in Rwanda. Stopping genocide, I mean.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmLike I said (being an old-time Army vet), I was being “polite†about those Navy pretty-boys.
Comment by Jake D.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmThis lie was proved last spring. you’re a fraud jake. you stole someone’s bio from his website and cut and pasted it and presented it as your own. you are a lying coward jake.
Midriff, I guess you prefer the president hold hands and kiss the Saudi Prince’s. Keep the blinders on, your nearing the last quarter pole.
Had you bothered to read the post I responding to you would have seen that it referenced a “takeover” of this country by the Chinese under Bush’s watch. I was merely pointing out that when it comes to Chinese, the Clinton’s seem to have a lot of experience.
I know you dont want to hear that and apparently neither does anyone else, considering the almost total blackout of news about Hsu.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmClinton was trying to stop a genocide
He didnt do so hot in Rwanda. Stopping genocide, I mean.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
LOL Past presidents must have a perfect record for these nutbars. Continue to ignore the current lack of a competence midriff, your bliss awaits.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThe two missing Twin Towers in NYC and 3,000 dead Americans are the Clinton legacy. Not his perverted behavior with an intern.
Comment by Frank J — September 5, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Right, George Bush and Dick Cheney hadn’t been in office for 8 months. Clinton didn’t leave a plan for dealing with OBL that Bush-Cheney ignored like two jealous schoolkids. Condiliar Rice never made the supremely idiotic statement “nobody imagined they would use planes”. That was all Clinton’s doing. Like I said before, you’re thousands of years behind in human development, especially your brain. What a weak, foolish coward’s way to try to pass of reponsibility. Face it, republicans have always sucked at national Defense, and they proved it to the whole world on 9/11. Facts are facts, shakey. George Bush was president, and fell down on the job, after which he flew away as fast as he could, and hid out for three days, while managing to give the order to let the Bin Laden family escape without any FBI questioning. That’s the history, and it’s yours to suck on.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmClinton was trying to stop a genocide
He didnt do so hot in Rwanda. Stopping genocide, I mean.
Comment by Maldri
You’re right he didn’t. but he did admit he made a mistake about Rwanda. your boy is so stupid he doesn’t even know he made a mistake. If you don’t believe it, take a look at this:
September 5th, 2007 at 5:24 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/05/bush-wmd-card/
He didnt do so hot in Rwanda.
Pretend it’s New Orleans. You’ll feel better.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:24 pm.
Had you bothered to read the post I responding to you would have seen that it referenced a “takeover†of this country by the Chinese under Bush’s watch. I was merely pointing out that when it comes to Chinese, the Clinton’s seem to have a lot of experience.
Damn, Sorry Maldriff – reread and understood. Accept my appologies – or not, your choice.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThank you, Maldriff — that was much more “polite†then how an old Army grunt like me would have put it : )
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
A grunt is a term used to identify a Marine. The Army infantry is composed of GIs. The tank corps (army) is called cavalry and artillery consists of the infantry’s (GI’s) balls.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmLOL Past presidents must have a perfect record for these nutbars. Continue to ignore the current lack of a competence midriff, your bliss awaits.
I wasnt the one to reference Clinton, someone else did, honoring his greatness and fortitude because was “stopping a genocide”. If Clinton was such a wonderful POTUS because he stopped a geno, why is his failure in Rwanda not comparable?
Quick, flame me again and keep your perfect record alive.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmThe two missing Twin Towers in NYC and 3,000 dead Americans are the Clinton legacy. Not his perverted behavior with an intern.
Comment by Frank J
It’s clinton’s fault that some bully took your lunch money and shoved your head in a piss filled toilet in the 3rd grade too, right?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmGood thing he ain’t President anymore. Comment by Jake D.
I guess you missed where George said we could reduce troops?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmFor the record, we were called grunts during the Korean War.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pmIt’s all about Jake. Now back to reality. The military is stretched far beyond it’s recommended ability. 15 months in theater and as little as 5 months out will soon cause catostrophic problems within the services. We may very well soon see the Navy patrolling the streets as the next version of the patrolman the republicans didn’t want under Clinton but have to have under Bush.
This president has done more damage to the military than any “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pmFor the record, we were called grunts during the Korean War.
Comment by Jake D.
you weren’t in the korean war liar. go away liar.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pmHAHAHAHA!!!! this is the same imbecile that believed that we could fight wars from the air, kosovo anyone?
this is the same Dumbcrat that the second that American soldiers started dying in Somolia he pulled our military out of there because he was terrified that his poll numbers were going to go down. This is the same rat of a President that refuse to send armor vehicles to Somolia.
Because of the whole Somolia debacle Osama Bin Laden called the USA a paper tiger.
This is the same President that allowed the WTC bombing of 1993 to happen. (hey, if Liberals claim Bush allowed the WTC destrucing in 2001 because it happened under his watch, it is only fair and just to say that the WTC bombing of 1993 was Clinton’s fault, right Libtards).
This is the same moron that allowed countless terrorist attacks against our nation and our interest abroad.
This embarrasing human being, President Clinton, should be the last person on Earth talking about international policy and war policy. This human garbage was more interested in polls, likeability polls, and power than taking care of our nations.
oh and let us not forget that for all the crying and whinning that Liberals do about Bush’s eavesdropping, Clinton ran the Enchelon program. And don’t forget that Clinton gave the finger to the UN when the UN refused to take action in Kosovo and Clinton went against international law set by the UN and bombed the living daylights out of Serbia and bombed a Chinese embassy. And let us not forget about that aspirin factory.
if the Liberals don’t want Clinton’s name to be brough up, tell this embarrassment of a pathetic human garbage to shut his mouth and stop talking about government policy.
Liberals supposedly for women rights, but they adore, worship and embrace President Clinton, who loved using and abusing women. Only the Libtards would be this stupid.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pmGot Got, Got No Time:
Bush is talking about a reduction of 5,000 or so — Clinton said “substantial drawdown” — you think that’s only 5,000?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pmYou’re right he didn’t. but he did admit he made a mistake about Rwanda. your boy is so stupid he doesn’t even know he made a mistake.
So all Bush needs to do is say he made a mistake and the left will immediately forgive him, allowing him to take the podium right next to Clinton who also admitted his mistake?
I have a feeling it wouldnt work out that way.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmFor the record, we were called grunts during the Korean War.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
On what planet? Alzheimer’s>
September 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmToo bad his wife is a spineless coward pansy who voted for the war.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThe two missing Twin Towers in NYC and 3,000 dead Americans are the Clinton legacy. Not his perverted behavior with an intern.
Comment by Frank J
The WTC was attacked in Clintons era, but he caught the perpetrators, you can try all you want but the second attack occured under the Bush Admins.
If I use your faulty logic frank the first WTC attack was the previous presidents fault, Bush Sr.
Besides that, the Republican congress did all it could to gut the terrorist lewgislation under Clinton, and accused him of waging the dog.
Pathetic try Frank J
September 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pmQuick, flame me again and keep your perfect record alive.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Yup, I owe you another apology. Sorry, been a long day. Time for a beer.
Rwanda was a mess and Darfur is still a mess. All the world leaders are responsible for letting this happen. I believe the Chinese have been especially wrong in Darfur although I know very little of both conflicts.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pmHe didnt do so hot in Rwanda. Stopping genocide, I mean.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
And let’s see, 4 years and counting and Dubya still doesn’t have a clue WTF is happening in the occupation of Iraq.
Kinda like repeating 7th grade 3 times.
But he sure looks neat in his inflatable codpiece, doing the Redneck swagger on the flight deck.
Must make you 28-36%ers SOOO proud! Heh Heh
September 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmCheck it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunt
September 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmthis is the same President that hid under the Oval Office desk while 800,000 Tutsis were massacred by Hutus in Rwanda. Along with the UN, he did NOTHING to stop the massacre in Rwanda.
Oh wait, the Libtards give him a pass on this because he has said that this was his biggest regret, not doing anything about Rwanda.
I can hear it now…”OOOPS, I did it again, an intern instead of my job at the Oval Office, costing the life of countless human beings.”
September 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYou’re right he didn’t. but he did admit he made a mistake about Rwanda. your boy is so stupid he doesn’t even know he made a mistake.
So all Bush needs to do is say he made a mistake and the left will immediately forgive him, allowing him to take the podium right next to Clinton who also admitted his mistake?
I have a feeling it wouldnt work out that way.
Comment by Maldriff
It would be a start.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:33 pmBush is talking about a reduction of 5,000 or so — Clinton said “substantial drawdown†— you think that’s only 5,000?
Comment by Jake D
What is subsantial to you Jake, you got a crystal ball there to peer into?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:33 pmSo all Bush needs to do is say he made a mistake and the left will immediately forgive him, allowing him to take the podium right next to Clinton who also admitted his mistake?
I have a feeling it wouldnt work out that way.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Your right. It wouldn’t work out that way. The reason is because Bush has far more serious matters to apologize for.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWell Jake the fake, that site states exactly what I posted –
Clinton IQ 182 – Bush IQ 91 – so what’s your point?
Comment by Buck Fush — September 5, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Obviously you’re not a believer in Howard Gardner’s theory of Multiple Intelligences. See, there are many different ways in which humans can be intelligent. IQ tests merely measure certain aspects of intelligence – primarily logical-mathematical and verbal-linguistic.
While Bill Clinton may be intelligent in the logical and linguistic senses, this does not mean that George Bush is not intelligent in other areas.
Bodily-kinesthetic, for example: Bush is an avid biker. The man’s pedal skills put Clinton’s jogging to shame.
Or naturalistic intelligence – why do you think he spends so much time clearing brush on his Crawford ranch? The man just knows the land!
And what about spatial? Bush has a well-documented understanding of object permanence. He realizes that, if he drops a spoon from his highchair, it does NOT cease to exist.
See? Who’s intelligent NOW, huh???
So
September 5th, 2007 at 5:33 pmThe two missing Twin Towers in NYC and 3,000 dead Americans are the Clinton legacy. Not his perverted behavior with an intern.
Comment by Frank J
The WTC was attacked in Clintons era, but he caught the perpetrators, you can try all you want but the second attack occured under the Bush Admins.
If I use your faulty logic frank the first WTC attack was the previous presidents fault, Bush Sr.
Besides that, the Republican congress did all it could to gut the terrorist lewgislation under Clinton, and accused him of waging the dog.
Pathetic try Frank J
Comment by Got Got, Got No Time — September 5, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Clinton caught the perpetrators….You mean to tell us all that President Clinton caught Osama Bin Laden?!!! really?!! when did this happen….you better inform the news, our government and Osama Bin laden himself that he was caught by President Clinton for his attack of the WTC in 1993.
Wow!! you Liberals are quite dumb, eh? do you buy all the propaganda you spew out?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:34 pm“Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunt
Comment by Jake D.”
So what. the only way you connection you have to the word grunt in the 50’s is that it’s the sound you mom made when dad crawled on top of her to concieve you.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmCheck it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunt
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
That’s a Wiki stub = Unsupported allegation.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmYup, I owe you another apology. Sorry, been a long day. Time for a beer.
Rwanda was a mess and Darfur is still a mess. All the world leaders are responsible for letting this happen. I believe the Chinese have been especially wrong in Darfur although I know very little of both conflicts.
No problem, Im working on a Pacifico as we speak.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmEither Bush was a better President than BOTH Clintons combined.
Bill Clinton this morning on the Today Show admitted that Sen. larry Craig is legally entitled to the rest of his term and whether he stays or not is “a personal decision†for him and his family to work out. Sound familiar?
Comment by Jake D.
You just proved that you are not a lawyer.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWell Jake the fake, that site states exactly what I posted –
Clinton IQ 182 – Bush IQ 91 – so what’s your point?
Comment by Buck Fush — September 5, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Obviously you’re not a believer in Howard Gardner’s theory of Multiple Intelligences. See, there are many different ways in which humans can be intelligent. IQ tests merely measure certain aspects of intelligence – primarily logical-mathematical and verbal-linguistic.
While Bill Clinton may be intelligent in the logical and linguistic senses, this does not mean that George Bush is not intelligent in other areas.
Bodily-kinesthetic, for example: Bush is an avid biker. The man’s pedal skills put Clinton’s jogging to shame.
Or naturalistic intelligence – why do you think he spends so much time clearing brush on his Crawford ranch? The man just knows the land!
And what about spatial? Bush has a well-documented understanding of object permanence. He realizes that, if he drops a spoon from his highchair, it does NOT cease to exist.
See? Who’s intelligent NOW, huh???
So
Comment by toasterhead — September 5, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Only the Libtards are fooled by an used car saleman like President Clinton.
Dumbcrats are so desperate that they get ONE guy in decades to have been elected two terms to the Presidency and they revere him as a god.
How pathetic and small of the Libtards…….
September 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmRwanda was a mess and Darfur is still a mess. All the world leaders are responsible for letting this happen. I believe the Chinese have been especially wrong in Darfur although I know very little of both conflicts.
Comment by yikes — September 5, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Rwanda’s still a mess. Only they exported their mess across the border to the DRC, and we’re continuing to support the atrocities the Rwandan government is committing just so we can keep cell phones cheap!
September 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmtoasterhead, you’ve got it on today. I tend to get boiling mad at the likes of “for the record” but you have a real knack of showing the inanity of their comments.
Liked the suffocation comment as well.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmSo all Bush needs to do is say he made a mistake and the left will immediately forgive him, allowing him to take the podium right next to Clinton who also admitted his mistake?
I have a feeling it wouldnt work out that way.
Comment by Maldriff
And just when is the right going to forgive clinton for tht bj and move on to more important things?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmI have a feeling it wouldnt work out that way.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
yes, but you don’t know that. If Bush would for once act like an american patriot instead of a fake cowboy, and own up to and try to correct his mistakes, his numbers wouldn’t be lower than those of siding salesmen. He would gain some respect, and the venom coming from the left AND the right would be substantially less. He brought this on himself, with his fealty to Rove, the Goebbells of the Bush regime, and he deserves all the scorn heaped on him. Personal responsibility, you know. Bush is a miserable little prick, and the worst president in US history. Only he can change those facts, and he won’t.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYour right. It wouldn’t work out that way. The reason is because Bush has far more serious matters to apologize for.
800,000 dead while Albright contested the meaning of the word “genocide” isnt enough for you? How many bodies would it have finally taken?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmBodily-kinesthetic, for example: Bush is an avid biker. The man’s pedal skills put Clinton’s jogging to shame.
What? Do you remember when he flew off his bike and injured a cop?
newsminute.com/Stories/bushslightlyinjured.htm
And he crashed in scotland.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8487719/
When he flew off the segway?
http://www.bikexprt.com/witness/product/bushfalls.htm
And dropped his dog?
politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushdropsdog.htm
Why I think George has outdone Gerald, slip n fall , Ford
September 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pmPeople forget that before 9/11 Bush had the lowest approval rating ever within the first year of his presidency the only thing that salvaged that was the national support of the government after 9/11. Now his approval ratings are back below Nixonian levels. Bush has never had the full support of the people. The people only supported the country and the government after 9/11 not Bush himself. Bush somehow sees that support as a reflection and him and his “righteous agenda.”
September 5th, 2007 at 5:40 pmEither Bush was a better President than BOTH Clintons combined.
It was in 1988 that Saddam gassed the Kurds, guess who was in office and looked the other way.
Can you say Aqaba pipeline?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmYoure boring ronjazz and your rants see-saw between semi-cogent and hysterical. I wont waste my time any longer with you as I dont believe Ill get much more than “Eff Bush!” in return.
Have a nice day.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmNo problem, Im working on a Pacifico as we speak.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Ah beer, the great equalizer – for the first couple – then it would get testy – and after eight or nine it’s ah beer, the great antagonizer! LOL
September 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI’m going to the fridge for a Pilsner Urquell. Have a good evening I’m outta here as I would get worse than I was earlier whilst under the influence.
# 96.
800,000 dead while Albright contested the meaning of the word “genocide†isnt enough for you? How many bodies would it have finally taken?
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
So that is what this is about, seeing if BushCo can get the bigger body count? Counting the Iraqi civilians, Dubya just about matches Rwanda’s 800,000 and will surpass it before this quagmire is over, when the new adult supervision has to start cleaning up the turd streaks.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pm800,000 dead while Albright contested the meaning of the word “genocide†isnt enough for you? How many bodies would it have finally taken?
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
so are you upset that Georgie has surpassed those numbers by DIRECTLY MURDERING a million people in the ME? Or jealous? Which is it? And who, if not republican scum, prevented Clinton from doing a better job on genocide?
September 5th, 2007 at 5:42 pmHave a nice day.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I understand your boredom; your type is always bored with education and facts. Lack of curiosity is a rightwing hallmark; that’s why you’re so easy to manipulate, and your masters know that very well.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIn my day, an infantryman was called a GI, a ground pounder, a short timer or cannon fodder.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:44 pmBill Clinton, late to the party, as usual – the guy never commits until the writing is on the wall.
Bush ordered a troop SURGE, meaning he INTENDS to draw down the number of troops, AFTER the SURGE succeeds in its mission. Once dubya stated that he could “see enough progress after 2 months that he can now speculate as to a troop drawdown in the coming year”, good ole Clinton takes the bold step of agreeing with the only man who against a troop drawdown until dubya felt he could have a troop drawdown.
Bubba Clinton was always the follower in chief, waiting for polls and concensus before doing what everyone said he should do. There is simply NO leadership in the Clinton household.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:44 pmI’m going to the fridge for a Pilsner Urquell. Have a good evening I’m outta here as I would get worse than I was earlier whilst under the influence.
Im with ya brother, the suds seem to make people lose it sometimes.
You like the PU? It seems every time I open one it smells stale, maybe its just me.
You ever try Zwiec? Its a great Polish beer though it can be hard to find.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:46 pmSenior officials from the Clinton Administration delivered urgent post-election intelligence briefings regarding Al Qaeda’s activities in December, 2000 and and again in January, 2001 to Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush’s national security adviser; to Stephen Hadley, who was Ms. Rice’s deputy; and to Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.
And Richard Clarke confirmed that Clinton gave warnings to the Bush Administration, which he described in his book “Against All Enemies : Inside the White House’s War on Terror–What Really Happened”. From Richard Clarke’s book:
“…the warning about the Qaeda threat could not have been made more bluntly to the incoming Bush officials in intelligence briefings that he led. At the time of the briefings, there was extensive evidence tying Al Qaeda to the bombing in Yemen two months earlier of an American warship, the Cole, in which 17 sailors were killed. It was very explicit.”
Mr. Clarke said of the warning given to the Bush administration officials. “Rice was briefed, and Hadley was briefed, and Zelikow sat in.”
The White House has never disputed nor denied that it received the information from the departing Clinton Administration. In fact, Bush himself said that he listened to Clinton and made terrorism a top priority and followed through on Clinton’s warnings.
The truth, however, is that Bush sat on the information and did nothing. Bush came into office after the Supreme Court gave him the Presidency when he put his transition team into place in early December, 2000. He had more than nine months to set up his organization to root out terrorism and he did virtually nothing. He went on vacation when the August 6th PDF warned of Bin Laden’s determination to attack in the United States. He did nothing after French intelligence warned the FBI about Moussaoui and FBI Agent Coleen Rowley tried to get the attention of FBI officials up the chain of command. If they had been able to discover Moussaoui, they might have prevented 9/11 from happening at all. Apparently, Bush didn’t care enough about terrorism to make its detection a top priority and to instruct all the intelligence services about the need to pay attention to the types of warnings regarding Moussaoui.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pmFor the record, I am an attorney and a Korean War vet who was called a “grunt” and I am a registered independent even though I slavishly defend all things Bush and dutifully repeat right-wing talking points.
I have no capacity to recognize the illogic of my statements, or the contradiction between us right-wingers claiming on one hand that Clinton was at fault for bombing Kosovo, but on the other hand he was at faulty for NOT bombing Rwanda.
I’m happy just sitting here eating my tapioca.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pm“so are you upset that Georgie has surpassed those numbers by DIRECTLY MURDERING a million people in the ME? Or jealous? Which is it? And who, if not republican scum, prevented Clinton from doing a better job on genocide?
Comment by ronjazz ”
it won’t answer that one ronjazz. these trolls are only showing compasion for Rwanda now. If Clinton had tried to do anything then the “wag the dog” brigade would have been up in arms. You know it. I know it. the republitrolls here know it. they just won’t admit it.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:47 pmnobody cares jake…
September 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pmBush ordered a troop SURGE, meaning he INTENDS to draw down the number of troops, AFTER the SURGE succeeds in its mission.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — September 5, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
So, in other words, never. There is no truth, no honor, no patriotism in the Bush household. There is no truth in the Hendler household.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pmBush ordered a troop SURGE, meaning he INTENDS to draw down the number of troops, AFTER the SURGE succeeds in its mission. Once dubya stated that he could “see enough progress after 2 months that he can now speculate as to a troop drawdown in the coming yearâ€
Before the Petraeus report even…Amazing. Besides Basra, from where he spoke was was secured by the shiites who drove out the Sunnis.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmUh-oh… I pooped my pants AGAIN. Damn this tapioca!
September 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmJason, the mission changes. The benchmarks are now not as important as they were 6 months ago. You also use “meaning” and “intends” to defend the president. You are mind reading and then standing behind that.
Scary shit sherlock.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI’m not a big fan of Bill Clinton for the following reasons:
September 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pm1) He passed NAFTA, which has had a disastrous effect on jobs and the U.S. economy.
2) His Iraq policies, in conjunction with the U.N., led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.
3) He used depleted uranium weapons in Bosnia. (How do you prevent genocide by using weapons of genocide?)
4) He put the Taliban in power in Afghanistan, by denying weapons to all of the Taliban’s opponents and allowing the Taliban to have them, according to congressional testimony by Karl “Rick†Inderfurth.
Hey Maldriftt, have you ever tried the Czech Budweiser, I mean the real thing and not the crap they peddle here? Its good stuff though I dont think its available in the states.
I had a few when visiting the CZ, they really have some good brews there.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI have no capacity to recognize the illogic of my statements -Jake.
Yeh, I see, you ignore reality and prefer talking points, which are not realistic or logical, but spin.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:51 pmYou like the PU? It seems every time I open one it smells stale, maybe its just me.
You ever try Zwiec? Its a great Polish beer though it can be hard to find.
Comment by Maldriff — September 5, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Zwiec! Yes I have had a few of those before. Another good beer. I like the label that changes color when it’s the right temperature.
Not sure about the stale smell for Pilsner. I get that with Heineken – with a little skunk to it. Anyway, enjoy your Pacifico.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmNope, cant say as I have tried the Czecho Bud, I wasnt even aware it existed.
Today Im heading over to MGM Liquor to buy a dozen or so liter bottles of whatever looks good; its fun to try a few even though they cost about three bucks a pop.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pm1) He passed NAFTA, which has had a disastrous effect on jobs and the U.S. economy.
Umm George Bush supported that when he was a Texas Governor as well, and it was passed by a Republican Led COngress.
And who passed CAFTA?
Depleted rounds are being used in Iraq as well.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThis is rediculous. A previous President, who has experience in these matters – regardless of what you think of him personally, brings up a very valid and OBVIOUS point. Instead of addressing his concerns, most of this thread is spent attacking him for whatever stupid problems they have with him personally. Are his points valid or not?
While people supporting this quagmire sit comfortably in their homes without so much as sacrificing a penny to pay for this debacle, others are doing their 2nd, 3rd, and some are on 4th or 5th tours of duty. Instead of supporting a draft and higher taxes to man our military and pay for this quagmire, that they support and feel is ESSENTIAL to our survival, they prefer that a select few who are willing to give their lives for this nation are the only ones to sacrifice. Then they condemn anyone who provides evidence or proof that our military is being misused and abused. Their trust in those making the decisions has been betrayed.
I have said some of the following in another thread, but I think it applies here too:
If there are good reasons for this occupation, please enlighten me with FACTS – not hypothetical bogey men or prophecies of nuclear holocaust if we pull out. I can play that game too – the world will endure complete and utter nuclear meltdown if we DON’T withdraw. Just because I said it doesn’t make it TRUE. What is true, is that the Iraqis want us out! So the we are giving them freedom/democracy argument does not work. The US is LESS safe because of the Iraq quagmire – according to all the recent NIEs (from all 16 intelligence agencies) – so the they are fighting to make us safe and protect our freedoms argument does not fly. We are fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here argument is worthless too – the same intelligence agencies have said it is highly unlikely that they would follow us home. Not to mention we are creating MORE disgruntled people who now hate the US. In addition, our military is being stretched to the breaking point and the same people keeping them in fire are the same people who voted against giving them adequate rest.
I am sick of the apocalyptic excuses used to perpetuate a never ending conflict without an iota of proof or evidence to support it. All the evidence is to the contrary and the deadlines and measures keep getting adjusted/moved; MEANWHILE hundreds of American Soldiers and thousands of Iraqis are dying EVERY DAY!
Give me an argument that can withstand scrutiny.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:55 pmThat was the Fake Jake, Got Got, Got No Time.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:55 pm2]His Iraq policies, in conjunction with the U.N., led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.
Actually those policies were the result of the first gulf war after Bush Sr. cut and ran.
4) He put the Taliban in power in Afghanistan, by denying weapons to all of the Taliban’s opponents and allowing the Taliban to have them, according to congressional testimony by Karl “Rick†Inderfurth
Actually it as Reagan/Bush who supported the “freedom fighters”
September 5th, 2007 at 5:56 pmNot sure about the stale smell for Pilsner. I get that with Heineken – with a little skunk to it. Anyway, enjoy your Pacifico.
Right on, enjoy your PU. Try a Boddingtons sometime for a smoother taste, though Ill bet you already have if you know of Zwiec, I shouldnt presume on another man’s experience with the finest liquid ever invented.
Take it easy.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:56 pmAh, Pilsner Urquell, the second best beer in the world, after Dinkel Lacher at the brewery. Pilsner Urquell survives in the bottle. One of the few European beers that do.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThat was the Fake Jake, Got Got, Got No Time.
Comment by Jake D.
Yeh, I know, just wanted to add some more insult to his ijnjury. =)
September 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmDetente through beer.
Maybe we need to nominate brewmasters for President and find common ground once and for all.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmBill Clinton is responsible for me pooping my pants.
I am not a fake. And I was called a “gridder” back when I played high school basketball in Indiana in the 1930s.
September 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmI’m not a big fan of Bill Clinton for the following reasons:
1) He passed NAFTA, which has had a disastrous effect on jobs and the U.S. economy.
2) His Iraq policies, in conjunction with the U.N., led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.
3) He used depleted uranium weapons in Bosnia. (How do you prevent genocide by using weapons of genocide?)
4) He put the Taliban in power in Afghanistan, by denying weapons to all of the Taliban’s opponents and allowing the Taliban to have them, according to congressional testimony by Karl “Rick†Inderfurth.
Comment by glutalgia
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Clinton was the equivalent of a moderate Republican in my opinion. I never voted for him. But he’s head and shoulders better than Bush. And at least he sounds like a human being when he speaks whereas our current so-called President…
September 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmBest beer ever made: Keystone.
Bwaaaa, there are people who would kill me just for saying that.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmWilliam F. Buckley Jr. on Free Trade on National Review Online
To get the critical two votes on CAFTA, Mr. Bush practically had to promise individual congressmen that he would pave their driveways the next time a …
http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200508010839.asp
WooooWeeeee!
How you like them apples Glutalgia?
September 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pmClinton was the equivalent of a moderate Republican in my opinion. I never voted for him. But he’s head and shoulders better than Bush. And at least he sounds like a human being when he speaks whereas our current so-called President…
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — September 5, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Basically, Clinton was bad, but Bush is absolutely abysmal.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pmI don’t understand why people feel the need to make fun of me. I’m just an honest, geriatric Korean War vet and practicing attorney who wants to express his moderate views in a public forum.
Yet some people treat me like an incontinent, right-wing troll. Why is that? Could it be because I make no sense most of the time? Or is it because of my knee-jerk right-wing blather? You liberals are mean.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmI am not a fake. And I was called a “gridder†back when I played high school basketball in Indiana in the 1930s.
Comment by Jake D.
And George was a cheerleader, they called them jocksniffers, you two have so much in common!
September 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmBasically, Clinton was bad, but Bush is absolutely abysmal.
Comment by glutalgia
Now that I could probably agree with…
September 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pmGood thing he ain’t President anymore.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Interesting comment as we wouldn’t have 4000 plus dead soldiers and thousands of injured soldiers. The US economy would be great and millions of Americans wouldn’t be losing their homes. The World Leaders would still respect the US and torture would be illegal. So much more would be for the better if Bill Clinton was still President. But I guess some Americans like yourself don’t see today’s crimes and chaos as a problem. If Bush has it his way we will stay in Iraq forever and let the deaths of our soldiers continue.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pmgreat post cavemandan,
the trolls will not respond to the meat of your post however. the best you can hope for is for one to take a sentence out of context and then accuse you of supporting terror….
September 5th, 2007 at 6:06 pmThanks Bobwurst,
I did make a typo – I meant that the American soldiers and Iraqis dying every MONTH not DAY – but I am sure someone will point that out and ignore the point :)
I just hope there are far fewer people like Jake in America than there are on this blog :)
September 5th, 2007 at 6:10 pmJake the Fake – 13 year olds could not have been in the Korean war….you do know that we all know that you are a liar, you know?
September 5th, 2007 at 6:11 pmJake D.: “And I was called a “gridder†back when I played high school basketball in Indiana in the 1930s.”
OK, giving you the most leeway here, you might have been a 17 to 18 year old Senior in HS then in 1939. That would put you at 20 or 21 when WWII broke out. Yet, you’ve been telling us that you’re a Korean War Vet.
Jake, your numbers don’t add up. I smell a fraud.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI smell a turd blossom
September 5th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJake and a number of other Bush supporters don’t think Clinton did a very good job on terrorism.
Robert Oakley, Reagan’s Ambassador for Counterterrorism on the Clinton administration fighting terrorism in the late 90’s:Â
September 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pm“Overall, I give them very high marks and the only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama”.
Oh, sure — so, just because my “numbers” don’t “add up”, you accuse me of being a fraud. Typical liberal.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmDamn facts and mathmatical logic.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:19 pmI’m not a big fan of Bill Clinton for the following reasons:
1) He passed NAFTA, which has had a disastrous effect on jobs and the U.S. economy.
2) His Iraq policies, in conjunction with the U.N., led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.
3) He used depleted uranium weapons in Bosnia. (How do you prevent genocide by using weapons of genocide?)
4) He put the Taliban in power in Afghanistan, by denying weapons to all of the Taliban’s opponents and allowing the Taliban to have them, according to congressional testimony by Karl “Rick†Inderfurth.
Comment by glutalgia
And he enabled all of this before he was elected President? The first use of depleted uranium was during the First Gulf War under G H W Bush which covers item 3 who also performed acts 1 and 2. Ronald Reagen was responsible for 4.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:21 pmGood thing he ain’t President anymore.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
It is? Because last time I checked he wasn’t dumb enough to invade the WRONG COUNTRY, but RETARDS like you still remain CLUELESS!!!!
Oh, sure — so, just because my “numbers†don’t “add upâ€, you accuse me of being a fraud. Typical liberal.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Ah, the IRONY!!!! Just another RETARD, who MUST have been grandfathered into the bar before REAL standards were imposed! This jake@ss would never pass the current bar!
September 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmEither Bush was a better President than BOTH Clintons combined.
Bill Clinton this morning on the Today Show admitted that Sen. larry Craig is legally entitled to the rest of his term and whether he stays or not is “a personal decision†for him and his family to work out. Sound familiar?
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
If your measure of BETTER is ACCUMULATING DEBT, then YEAH, the Bush’s were better! Especially when you realize that over 50% of the nations debt from 200+ years was accumulated under those two Bushes! When you add RonnieRaygun in you have over 70% of the national debt!
Actually Jake, the difference is Craig was charged and admitted to committing a Crime. Much like Vitter admitted but wasn’t charged with a Crime. Tell me Jake, do you believe your fellow GOPNuts were WRONG in spending 50 million dollars to smear and attack Clinton over a PERSONAL MATTER? Or is your hypocrisy so encompassing you’re blind to how retarded your post reads?
September 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmNice try Boob – Hillary and Jay got their missinformation from Bush & Cheney’s lies. Bill was just on Saddam’s case, as he should have been.
And people like you ate it up, fools.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmSo what. the only way you connection you have to the word grunt in the 50’s is that it’s the sound you mom made when dad crawled on top of her to concieve you.
Comment by Bobwurst
September 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pm__________________________
Another way: “grunt” is the nickname for the wide-stance Jake due to the frequent sounds he makes in the restroom stall.
Hopefully antiwar Democrats and the portion of the antiwar movement that is still loyal to them don’t start praising Bill Clinton as an “antiwar” voice. We can’t forget that he oversaw a genocidal policy toward Iraq including incredibly devestating sanctions and occasional bombings:
http://www.mediamouse.org/features/053107clint.php
September 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pmoh, and Clinton is right – again.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pm“prissy boat people”- comment by Jake Dumb
Go out to the fleet and say that to their faces dipshit, they will rip you a new as*hole.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pm#
William F. Buckley Jr. on Free Trade on National Review Online
To get the critical two votes on CAFTA, Mr. Bush practically had to promise individual congressmen that he would pave their driveways the next time a …
http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200508010839.asp
WooooWeeeee!
How you like them apples Glutalgia?
Comment by Got Got, Got No Time — September 5, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
In regards to Buckley’s article, while it is heartening that Democrats and some Republicans opposed CAFTA, the fact remains that Clinton was instrumental in passing NAFTA. (see link: http://www.mediamouse.org/features/060107bill_.php) The larger question remains: why are the “choices†offered by the two political parties so often differences of flavor, rather than substantive? As far as apples go, I prefer Galas, although Braeburns would be acceptable.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI am not a fake. And I was called a “gridder†back when I played high school basketball in Indiana in the 1930s.
Comment by Jake D.
Never heard of a basketball player being called a ‘gridder”… those are ususally football players. Playing highschool basketball in the 30’s? If you graduated in 1940 at 18, that’d make you 85 today. Sumpin’ not right w/ this.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:03 pm#
For the record, I am registered Independent.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
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Broken record….your record doesn’t matter, nobody cares.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:07 pmSumpin’ not right w/ this.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 5, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Never is
September 5th, 2007 at 7:18 pmglutaglia: “The larger question remains: why are the “choices†offered by the two political parties so often differences of flavor, rather than substantive?”
What the hell is that supposed to mean? You see NO differences in the substantive policies of John Edwards and those of, say, Fred Thompson???!!!
I guess you need to read a little or something. These guys are about as far apart as candidates can get on the issues.
The most conservative candidate, possibly Hillary Clinton, favors policies far more progressive than the most moderate republican (Rudy?)
Get serious. It’s simply lazy thinking to keep pretending that there are no differences.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:29 pmWhat would Clinton do to make the economy better?
September 5th, 2007 at 7:38 pmHey Maldriftt, have you ever tried the Czech Budweiser, I mean the real thing and not the crap they peddle here? Its good stuff though I dont think its available in the states.
Comment by Pillboxian Gravelite — September 5, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
It’s sold in the US as Czechvar because they can’t call it Budvar. I think it’s now only sold in 12 oz green bottles, however, which means it can get skunked, like the PU often is.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:46 pmI don’t care what the “fat boy” says. Saw him in person. Ain’t handsome, and I was supporting him (1992), and didn’t sense charisma. Guess he forgot to turn it on, as cameras had turned to Hillary. My husband got his autograph. So I saw him up close, and he acted very indifferent and cold.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:48 pmWhile he pals around with the HAVE HAVE MOREs, as he now is, and obviously always wanted to be, I struggle as a social worker on peanuts to help out the poor elderly and mentally ill, that neither he nor his wife have hardly mentioned, let alone have visited. So let him go on OPRAh and preach about “giving.” That’s right Bill, tell you’re golfing and fishing buddies to give some more, because we sure can use it. Including my husband on disability for mental illness, …the pittance that it is — and always being monitored to see if and when they could cut him off.
Never heard of a basketball player being called a ‘gridderâ€â€¦ those are ususally football players. Playing highschool basketball in the 30’s? If you graduated in 1940 at 18, that’d make you 85 today. Sumpin’ not right w/ this.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 5, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
He would also have been drafted in WWII and likely not served in Korea at all. Oops. I think Jake’s story just blew a leak.
We’ve also never heard Jake claim to have actually served in combat during the Korean War. If, in fact, he had a law degree, we can pretty well guarantee he was either serving with JAG, but most likely was banging a typewriter for the quartermaster back in Ft. Dix.
September 5th, 2007 at 7:51 pmThe person who said that Clinton was a moderate REPUBLICAN is correct., just like Hillary., although I will vote for her if I must. Get over it people.,
September 5th, 2007 at 7:57 pmnone of them care about us nobodies., They just use us go get where they want to go and then discard us., for the most part. I don’t see him living in Jersey City, and there are nice places here. No, his neighbor is the CEO of General Electric, for Pete’s Sake. Get the picture. Hillary comes from “Leave it to Beaver”, not East New York, Brooklyn, like I did as a child, with a single mom. Her mom did stay home and bake cookies. My mom worked her butt off and tried to keep us (brother and I and her) from being evicted for not paying rent, or wearing coats to bed because of no heat., or the lights turned off. that’s the real world., for poor, no matter what color. No phone until I was 17. Big difference in understanding the “average” Joe.
Good thing he ain’t President anymore.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
You got that right. Good thing his wifey ain’t either!!!
Comment by Master P — September 5, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Good one, Master Pee! Swoop right in after the action has died down and drop a stinky little troll turd, then sneak away and pretend that you “had an impact” why don’t you?
September 5th, 2007 at 8:20 pmThe prospect of having another Clinton in the White House for another 8 years is unacceptable, and quite frankly I find it sickening. Not that Bill was not a far better President then either of the Bush’s — it is that when family dynasties alternate in having power, it inevitably becomes that which bears little resemblance to a democracy. Both families represent the interrests of corporations that are intent on maintaining their wealth, power, and control over the masses.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. We deserve better than this.
Peace!
September 5th, 2007 at 8:33 pmMan, has George Bush made Bill Clinton look like a genius or what?
Cripes, I’d crawl over barbed wire to have Poppy serve out the rest of this term, and he sucked.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:17 pmMan, has George Bush made Bill Clinton look like a genius or what?
Cripes, I’d crawl over barbed wire to have Poppy serve out the rest of this term, and he sucked.
Comment by joe
hell, I’d change vitter’s diaper to have reagan serve out junior’s term, and he’s dead.
September 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pmThe title should say ex president clinton. the next time you libs complain about the jobs going overseas, he is the one who started it
September 6th, 2007 at 12:11 amlet’s not forget, clinton supported both invasions of afghanistan and iraq…….
September 6th, 2007 at 12:49 amNO MORE CLINTONS!
September 6th, 2007 at 7:02 amI am 45 years old–and there has been either a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket IN EVERY SINGLE ELECTION SINCE I’VE BEEN ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
Enough–time to expand our horizons, people!
NO MORE CLINTONS!
Comment by loretta — September 6, 2007 @ 7:02 am
Agreed!!!
September 6th, 2007 at 7:35 am“For the record, it’s been 2 years since Katrina hit and Bush has yet to admit he depleted the National Guard and Reserves to fight his conflict and that left insufficient resources for them to conduct their primary mission.
Comment by hellinabucket — September 5, 2007 @ 4:55 pm”
And why should he admit it if it simply is not true? And that’s PRESIDENT Bush to you.
Saving the people from Hurricanes is not a constitutionally mandated Presidential duty. Protecting the U.S. from foreign enemies is.
Hurricane Katrina rebuilding= Not the President’s job.
Commander-in-Chief of the Military= The Presiden’t job.
You folks would seem to understand that, listening to how much you whine about the President supposedly violating the Constitution.
In a nutshell, you advocate violating the constitution as long as it suits YOUR purposes as a political talking point, nothing more.
If you care that much about the aftermath of Katrina, why aren’t you off your butts helping in the cleanup?
Oh, and for folks who havn’t figured it out yet: Bill Clinton isn’t President anymore. But if Hillary wins next year, which she might, you all will deserve what you get.
September 6th, 2007 at 9:53 amBigfoot – At least with Clinton we had an economy, we had a treasury with money and we had International credibility. With Bush we are the laughing stock of the world, we are in debt to another country, we have over 27,000 wounded military and 3735 dead. With Clinton he actually believed the people had rights. Was he morally stupid? Yes. But was he a good President HELL YES !
Name just one thing Bush has done for the benefit of the American people. Just one. Bush needs to go live in the country he loves, Iraq. Take his mother especially who “just couldn’t bear to have her beautiful eyes see the body bags of dead Americans.” That whole family is despicable.
September 6th, 2007 at 11:24 amOh and Bigfoot – Bush said, “the Constitution is only a piece of paper.” So, check your loyalties with some research before giving them to the undeserved.
September 6th, 2007 at 11:40 amWas he morally stupid? Yes. But was he a good President HELL YES !
comment by texaslady
Good Presidents always have at least 800,000 Rwandan genocides on their resumes.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:43 pmBigfoot,
You definately know how to use smoke and mirrors well. But in response, the National Guard is not supposed to get deployed internationally. They are supposed to stay here and help with domestic threats and national disasters. Since we have been deploying them in record numbers, there is no one left to help respond to our national emergencies.
That is the point – not that Bush himself should be there reconstructing New Orleans, but that he took the resources that are designed for this type of job and moved them to a location where whey would be unable to do their job. Leaving ALOT fewer resources to do the job.
As many people point out, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the issue here is our military at its breaking point – not Clinton’s record – Not who should rebuild after Katrina – but that we are running our military on empty for this Occupation and the President (and us as a nation) have been unwilling to sacrifice by instituting a draft and increasing taxes to pay for this.
September 6th, 2007 at 1:44 pmSexual Terrorist in the White House
Why We’re Touring the Clinton Library
By Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey
Like far too many women in this country, all three of us have experienced the crime of sexual assault and the violation of sexual harassment by men in powerful positions. Each of us has battled with the shame, humiliation, and fear of coming forward to report the assault. Each of us has worried about how this sexual harassment and assault will affect our careers. Two of us, however, suffered this kind of experience at the hands of a United States president…
September 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pmThey’re bringing in the big guns. Bill Clinton has been let loose.
Have you noticed all the terrorist warnings this last day?
- Bin Laden plays 9/11 video?
- Iraq withdrawals “off the table”: Republicans
- U.S. sees terrorist attack threat in Nigeria
Bush is playing the fear game again. Stay in Iraq for another Friedman. The surge is working.
If anybody can counteract the Republicans dastardly plan, Bill can. I just hope the rest of the U.S. (World) sees it.
September 6th, 2007 at 10:17 pm“Name just one thing Bush has done for the benefit of the American people. Just one.
Comment by texaslady — September 6, 2007 @ 11:24 am”
I’ll name several:
Led the U.S.A. magnificently after 9/11.
Ordering the fighting of terrorists overseas.
Tax cuts.
No Child left Behind.
Medicare prescription drug program.
Need more? I got more…..
September 7th, 2007 at 2:28 am