Soltz to Senor: ‘You can’t spin me a third time.’
Last night on Hannity and Colmes, Iraq war vet and VoteVets founder Jon Soltz debated Dan Senor, former senior adviser to Paul Bremer in Iraq. When Senor told Soltz “you got to admit” progress is being made in Iraq, Soltz responded:
When you were in Iraq, I believed you. I trusted you. Our soldiers needed your leadership. You told us weapons of mass destruction, we’ve turned the corner in Iraq. So I’m not going to sit here and be lectured by someone like you. I just can’t have that. I can be lectured by Gen. Petraeus, I can be lectured by our generals. But you spun me once, you spun me twice, you can’t spin me a third time.
Later, Soltz argued that recent ads by Freedom’s Watch are “completely misleading” because there was “no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.” Those soldiers “have been misled by people like Dan Senor,” Soltz said. Watch it:
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September 5th, 2007 at 10:14 amSheesh. Another phony vet organization lead by the left.
You people will never learn. When all is said and done, the American will NEVER buy the anti-war, anti-troop message organizations like VoteVet propogate. See John Kerry for what we do to people like that.
I would say see Max Cleland, but he actually pretended to support the war in 2002 before we ousted his ass.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:14 amThere IS at least one “connection” between 9/11 and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:16 ami love watching soltz these days, because he embodies the frustration of any reasonable human being. this guy Senor, trying to willy nilly his way around each and every intellectual justification for the war. so pathetic….
September 5th, 2007 at 10:18 amDid anybody really ever see this Soltz guy in Iraq allegedly serving?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:18 amThere IS at least one “connection†between 9/11 and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Talk about your dishonest, meaningless comments.
Just once, try making a valdi point.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:20 amAnd Jake D. is out of the gate early with dumb sh!t he thinks needs to be said. HWV’s got you beat with stupid Jake so you’ve got some ground to make up still.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:22 amLet’s not forget that Bush flunkie and war spinmeister Dan Senor is the husband of the newest CNN star Campbell Brown.
Your ‘liberal media’ in action.
-GSD
September 5th, 2007 at 10:24 amHWV; I don’t see YOUR ass in the army fighting the war that YOU support. Kerry, Cleland, and Soltz know the real score. Put up or shut up coward!
GOP spin machine is in full throttle.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:25 amso I would assume Jakke adovcates invading Ireland since it has long been known to harbour terrorists…far longer (100 years?) than Iraq
September 5th, 2007 at 10:25 amBush should bomb America. We were harboring the 9/11 plotters before they struck!
I can’t believe Bush is a supporter of terrorists, but then again he did allow the Bin Laden family to be flown out of the US after 9/11 without checking them out.
-GSD
September 5th, 2007 at 10:28 amNo, Mark, unless there were terrorists there who posed a gathering threat to the U.S.
P.S. if anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” needs an example of a personal attack: “dumb sh!t he thinks needs to be said. HWV’s got you beat with stupid Jake so you’ve got some ground to make up still.”
September 5th, 2007 at 10:30 amso I would assume Jakke adovcates invading Ireland since it has long been known to harbour terrorists…far longer (100 years?) than Iraq
Comment by Mark
That’s not bad idea Mark, but you guys would just start screaming “no blood for Guiness!” ;-)
September 5th, 2007 at 10:31 amSoltz/Obama ‘08!!!
September 5th, 2007 at 10:32 amJake, I’m calling you out for the unecessary and childish blather you posted. Go ahead and ignore me but what you posted is dead ass wrong.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:34 amJust because you wear the uniform doesn’t always make you right. That goes for both Democrats and Republicans.
The US military is not in Iraq protecting Americans. They are there to protect big business interests (oil). There is no evidence nor has their ever been any evidence that the US military is in Iraq to save American lives.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:35 am“You people will never learn. When all is said and done, the American will NEVER buy the anti-war, anti-troop message organizations like VoteVet propogate. See John Kerry for what we do to people like that.”
I’m very sorry that these progressive organizations threaten you so much. Poor baby. VoteVets does more to support our troops than any right wing organization ever has or ever will.
You seem to be forgetting that it is the Republics who have either filibustered or vetoed legislation to help the vets with time at home, training, equipment and benefits. Is that how you want to support our vets.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:36 amThe troll that seems to always post the first three comments of every discussion needs to get a life.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:37 amHe can ruin the messageboard, but he can’t ruin the message.
Thanks TP. Now fix your board.
There IS at least one “connection†between 9/11 and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.
Comment by Jake D.
Jake, Jake, your idiocy is showing. Saddam was a dictator. If you consider a dictator to be a terrorist, then I guess that George Bush is a terrorist.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:37 amWasn’t it the republicans who pushed for better healthcare for the vets? Didn’t they push to provide the military with the best equipment for the soldiers and marines at the start of this conflict? Didn’t they project long term to secure funding for this monumental operation?
If you answered yes to any of these questions your name is Jake.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:42 amWhen all is said and done, the American will NEVER buy the anti-war, anti-troop message organizations like VoteVet propogate.
I’m sorry Jake, but America IS buying it. Last poll showed that 66% of the people in this country think that Iraq was a mistake. So, I guess that they are buying the anti-war message.
And, there is no anti-troop message from anyone other than the rightards who don’t care if they have time home with their family, have proper armor and training and have the medical benefits they deserve when they come home broken.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:44 amProfessional trolls - the new beach-head of political spin. Note how they (if there are really more than one) post first, second and then repost to attempt to control the comments.
On topic though Hannity sure was shouting a lot - must have hit a nerve to call bullshit to Senor.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:44 amKudos to Solz for pounding away at the lies and spin that hides the real story from 90% of the population who have been programmed to know nothing but the lumpy condition of Brittany’s derriere and all that other pop culture fodder.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:44 amLoser Hannity also tries to make a sleazy point by claiming Soltz is ‘attacking the troops’ instead of the point Soltz was making of attacking the Bush propagandists who use troops to score political points.
-GSD
September 5th, 2007 at 10:48 amIs it me or is the quality of the troll comments here going downhill? Is the RNC in this bad a shape that they can’t hire people to post with intelligent arguments?
Did Dan counter Stolz with the “I’ve sat in the WH” gambit like that other clown, Christie? The quality of WH talking heads seems to follow the same trendlines as the Bushbot posters here.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:48 amSolz is rock solid. His mission is clear and defined. We will all see a lot more from Mr. Solz and I’m looking forward to it.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:50 amThe quality of WH talking heads seems to follow the same trendlines as the Bushbot posters here.
Comment by Innocent Bystander — September 5, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Ah, maybe they have a “connection”…. right, Jake D?
September 5th, 2007 at 10:52 am> There IS at least one “connection†between 9/11
> and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.
Dude.. theres another one.. both 9-11 and Iraq were caused by PEOPLE.
BROWN PEOPLE. With testicles…oh..the similarities are striking…
Even your hysterical friend scooter admitted that the united states consorts with terrorists when it serves thier ends. If thats the only connection to 9-11, its a lame one, as 9-11 would then be also connected to people like the Contras and Cuban’s who plot to blow up jetliners.
(i.e. our pals)
> see John Kerry for what we do to people like that.
make up wholly unsubstaniated allegations against them, based on claims by people idealogically opposed to everything he stands for, and thus having an enormous motivation to lie?
you’re right
September 5th, 2007 at 10:52 ami’m sure some people will be claiming soon that Soltz was never in iraq, he was just sitting on the internet in the nearby Islamic State of Al-Orleans
Comment by Innocent Bystander — September 5, 2007 @ 10:48 am
We have noticed that for the past few weeks. I think the Rerpugs have lost heart and have pulled back under the rock. BushCo may have just landed the knockout punch to set their party back 20 years.
And looking at their “candidates” for 08, things are pretty sad, indeed.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:53 amSoltz is a punk who’s answer to everything is “shut up I served” even to decorated servicemen. Soltz’s own unit hated him.
Any former soldier who says “I” as much as Soltz is a phony bastard.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:03 amSheesh. Another phony vet organization lead by the left.
You people will never learn. When all is said and done, the American will NEVER buy the anti-war, anti-troop message organizations like VoteVet propogate. See John Kerry for what we do to people like that.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince — September 5, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Uhhh…they already have. That’s one reason the Dems won back Congress.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:04 amThere IS at least one “connection†between 9/11 and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Well, you learn something every day. Here I thought that 9/11 was a date on a calendar. I didn’t know that 9/11 was a terrorist.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:06 amWC sez:
Yes, and apparently, Iraq is a terrorist as well. And here I thought it was a country.
Actually, that explains why Chimpy’s working so hard to destroy Iraq…he’s trying to kill ‘Iraq, the terorrist’. ^_^
September 5th, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by Hillary Whacked Vince — September 5, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Bush, Powell, and Bremer were all ready to cut and run from Iraq if the Iraqis asked us to go. I’ve got quotes and their sources, and would post them, but I doubt you could comprehend simple English. But if a Democrat or anti-war group says we gotta leave? Hell no. They are labeled defeatists, terrorist-lovers, anti-American, and only the generals on the ground will decide when we leave.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:12 amYes, and apparently, Iraq is a terrorist as well. And here I thought it was a country.
Actually, that explains why Chimpy’s working so hard to destroy Iraq…he’s trying to kill ‘Iraq, the terorrist’. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 5, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Well if it isn’t! Totally missed that one. I guess that fixes the argument that by fighting terrorism, we aren’t fighting a country or a government like we do in a traditional war.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:17 amSenor’s job,like all Neocons, is to spin the war,not to fight in it like Soltz.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:20 amSenor goes also by what PNAC (Project For The New American Century) doctrine says.
Made my day. Soltz called those liars what they are right to their faces and there wasn’t a damned thing they could do about it, except play the usual Repub victim card. Seeing Hamnity’s face and how pissed off he was, was priceless.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:22 amNote how they (if there are really more than one) post first, second and then repost to attempt to control the comments.
Comment by dono — September 5, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Yeah, it’s a shame that’s sometimes necessary to get libs to address an issue rather than avoiding what doesn’t fit their with their narrow views. ;)
September 5th, 2007 at 11:27 amAnd what does Hannity do when he let’s a real soldier get his undies in a philosophical bunch? He invokes Clinton.
The dead enders are fresh out of talking points.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:29 amYeah, it’s a shame that’s sometimes necessary to get libs to address an issue rather than avoiding what doesn’t fit their with their narrow views. ;)
Comment by upright left
Best example of transference so far today.
September 5th, 2007 at 11:59 amJohn Soltz is a breeze of fresh air and candor. He has been scarred for life by the lies spun by this administration that make light of a soldier’s trust and fealty to the flag. Any war, but this war game ,that a very callous Commander in Chief fabricated for an ego. Soltz has to deal with the mental and physical pain all around him every day. Gold Star mothers are asking:” My loved one died for THIS?” Dan Senor is a right wing tool. We can’t blame Campbell Brown for her choice of a husband. But he should reevaluate his political philosophy for the sake of his unborn child.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:09 pmJake: “There IS at least one “connection†between 9/11 and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.”
No, that’s wrong. Saddam was, as Osama bin Laden referred to him, the “secular dictator” or Iraq. Osama bin Laden considered the secular dictator to be his enemy. One of bin Laden’s top goals in the late 90’s was to remove Saddam from power. So, in this sense, Bush completely cooperated with the terrorist organization that attacked us on 9-11.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:15 pmcampbell brown married THAT twit?
September 5th, 2007 at 12:16 pmuoy…
A perfect example of a conservative projecting:
“Yeah, it’s a shame that’s sometimes necessary to get libs to address an issue rather than avoiding what doesn’t fit their with their narrow views. ;)”
Nobody avoids uncomfortable issues more these days than Bush supporters.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:26 pmSheesh. Another phony vet organization lead by the left.
You people will never learn. When all is said and done, the American will NEVER buy the anti-war, anti-troop message organizations like VoteVet propogate. See John Kerry for what we do to people like that.
I would say see Max Cleland, but he actually pretended to support the war in 2002 before we ousted his ass.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince
Written by a moral retard. the majority of America has already rejected your lies. but keep living in Faux news land, where phoney chickenhawk draftdodgers pretend to be tough, if that’s what makes you feel like a man.
by the way, the only first lady to kill someone is Laura bush, scumbag
September 5th, 2007 at 12:26 pmJake is correct that there was a connection in that they both breathed air.
OBL FREE = HISTORICAL COLLOSSAL FAILURE
September 5th, 2007 at 12:28 pmNobody avoids uncomfortable issues more these days than Bush supporters.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 5, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
And the few remaining are like those last cockroaches under the sink; no matter how much you spray them with truth and reality, they still hang on, leaving their feces trail on the planet.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:32 pmP.S. if anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†needs an example of a personal attack: “dumb sh!t he thinks needs to be said. HWV’s got you beat with stupid Jake so you’ve got some ground to make up still.â€
Comment by Jake D. — September 5, 2007 @ 10:30 am
You’re equating the facts with attacks, jake. dumb sh!t is an accurate description of those still buying the administrations lies.
September 5th, 2007 at 12:41 pmNobody avoids uncomfortable issues more these days than Bush supporters.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 5, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
I’m not sure about the Bush supporters, but I know libs on this site are masters at it. ;)
September 5th, 2007 at 12:58 pmupright left sez:
Wow…the dreaded “I know you are, but what am I?” retort!
You must be the terror of the playground, UL.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:04 pmCampbell was a frustrated spinster who couldn’t find a husband.(or a man that would have her) until that twit.
September 5th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by Uncle Ho — September 5, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
A little more about Ms. Brown before she moved up in the dating food chain:
At the time, the U.S. acquiesced to Abdullah’s insistence on no women in the Air Traffic Control Tower or on the tarmac at the Waco Airport. Brown conveniently did not mention this, but instead delivered a gushing story on Abdullah. Very pleasing to her then-boyfriend, Al-Jubeir, I’m sure. Ditto for her friendly interviews with HAMAS leaders, recipients of a lot of cold, hard Saudi cash.
For those who are not familiar with Al-Jubeir, he went to high school part of the time in Texas and was most prominently seen defending Saudi Arabia everywhere in the media after 9/11. His appearance on “60 Minutes” defending the Saudi’s holding hostage of the American children of Patricia Roush, was a most cold-hearted one.
What a lady!
September 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pmupright left sez:
I’m not sure about the Bush supporters, but I know libs on this site are masters at it. ;)
Wow…the dreaded “I know you are, but what am I?†retort!
You must be the terror of the playground, UL.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 5, 2007
@ 1:04 pm
Monkey, that would require that I be either a lib or a Bush supporter. Sorry, bud, I’m neither. ;)
September 5th, 2007 at 2:11 pmway to go Jon Soltz ! keep calling the neo-cons on their evil lies!!!
notice when anyone points out their lies, the big mouth wingnuts immediately interrupt and cut them off?
September 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pm#2: I assume that since you’re a blind supporter of the war you are responding to Think Progress from Iraq. Oh that’s right bush banned soldiers from reading Think Progress so you are just another pussy-assed republican douche coward.
And look at what the American public did to your blood for oil political party in the 2006 election. And will do again in 2008. Not only is your party going to get destroyed in the ‘08 elections giving the Democrats a 60+ majority in the Senate you will also lose the presidency and thus the Supreme Court for the next 100 years.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmupside; Well, beauty IS only skin deep after all.
September 5th, 2007 at 2:47 pmnotice when anyone points out their lies, the big mouth wingnuts immediately interrupt and cut them off?
Comment by flex — September 5, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
They cease to fulfill our expectations!
September 5th, 2007 at 4:04 pmooops….I meant they never cease to fulfill our expectations!
September 5th, 2007 at 4:05 pm“There IS at least one “connection†between 9/11 and Saddam’s Iraq: both were TERRORISTS.”
9/11 was a terrorist? Saddam’s Iraq was a terrorist?
That’s a sloppy, sloppy sentence. You are a syntactical and grammatical terrorist.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhy do I feel like puking everytime Hannity opens his cakehole? What a tool.
September 5th, 2007 at 6:42 pmYou people will never learn. When all is said and done, the American will NEVER buy the anti-war, anti-troop message organizations like VoteVet propogate. See John Kerry for what we do to people like that. By Hillary Whacked Vince — September 5, 2007
I sorry to tell this the American people are not tire of the Anti-war group. But they are tire of all the lies Bush and his crew keep putting out and of people like you who cannot tell the different between the truth and Bush’s lies. And I not so sure Bush’s vicorty in 2004 was real. In closing all I can say is you reality is what most people would call a fantasy and the truth is not in it at all!
September 5th, 2007 at 8:49 pmThanks to Jon Soltz for throwing the BS flag. He is an American hero. Soltz carried a rifle in Iraq, while Senor, protected by better men than himself, spun facts to support the single worst US policy disaster in our history.
Fox Noise, true to its nature as usual, obscures rational argument by shouting. Opposing the reich wing is as dangerous as anything you did in uniform, but you’re not alone. One more time into the breach, Jon. I’ll go with you this time.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:11 amthe only ties all americans have with this ”war” is that we all pay taxes to support it, and on top of that,bush and his”repubilkkkan christian right’’supporters are aggressively cutting taxes for thier corperate friends to the point that they pay no taxes. you can’t have it both ways, you have your war and pay your taxes to support the servicemen or you cut taxes and bring them home. but it seems to me the repubilkkkans love their money more, Why? because this is a volunteer army nobody cares about.if you do care call your congressmen and tell them to make everyone starting with the riches corporations to pay their share.i know they won’t.I know the truth your all just little brainless people.
September 9th, 2007 at 9:02 pm