New Twist In Saga Over ‘Petraeus Report’: There Will Be No Report
New Twist In Saga Over ‘Petraeus Report’: There Will Be No Report
In the latest twist to the ongoing saga over the Petraeus White House report, a senior military official tells the Washington Times today that there will actually be no report at all:
A senior military officer said there will be no written presentation to the president on security and stability in Iraq. “There is no report. It is an assessment provided by them by testimony,” the officer said.
The only hard copy will be Gen. Petraeus’ opening statement to Congress, scheduled for Monday, along with any charts he will use in explaining the results of the troop surge in Baghdad over the past several months.
To recap, first the public was incorrectly led to believe that Gen. David Petraeus would issue his own report about the situation on the ground in Iraq. Then the Los Angeles Times reported that the so-called “Petraeus report” would “actually be written by the White House.”
Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) then suggested the White House would probably “tweak” the “Petraeus report.” In an effort to put the controversy to rest, Gen. David Petraeus assured lawmakers that the White House was not going to be involved in the “writing” of the report:
Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), told reporters Thursday that Petraeus said he and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker had briefed the administration on the situation in Iraq, but added that “as far as [Petraeus] is concerned … he is writing his recommendations of that report and testimony.”
Now, apparently there will be no written report from Gen. Petraeus at all. While Petraeus’ statement to Congress will be made available, the public will not know what information he is providing to President Bush. The lack of transparency over Petraeus’ “report” will only intensify the high level of skepticism surrounding his statistics.
UPDATE: In a recent hearing, Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) said he recently met with Gen. Petraeus and was shown “the data.” Coleman said the data is “very clear about a reduction in violence. General Petraeus has those charts,” Coleman explained. Apparently, those charts will not be for public consumption.
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Well, if there’s no written report, it makes Winston Smith’s job much easier.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:35 amCan Bush & Co. backpedal from their promises any faster? Bush’s “culture of accountability” sure does everything it can to remain UNACCOUNTABLE.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:35 amWhatever it takes to prolong the war…For those interested in a psychological analysis of this warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.†It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives–concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq–or an attack on Iran–will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:36 amWho needs the damned lies anyway?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:36 amNow the question is if Petraeus will actually be in Congress to give his speech or will they send a hologram of him that only answers certain questions.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:36 amWhy write a report for the President when the President won’t even read it?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:36 amAnother sunrise, another set of lies…
September 7th, 2007 at 11:37 amWhy write a report? Bush doesn’t read.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:38 amQuote from U.S. liberals: “Curses! Foiled again!”
September 7th, 2007 at 11:38 amCongress: “Mr. President, we’d like to see the reports on Iraq.”
Chimp: “Reports? We don’t need no reports! I don’t have to show you any stinking reports!! We don’t need no stinking reports.”
September 7th, 2007 at 11:39 amIf things in Iraq were getting better, there would be a HUGE report and much fanfare. BushCo’s desire to downplay the Petraeus “report” is proof things are not getting better in Iraq.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amYour off to a pretty lame start, O Pigboot….
September 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amWow, this is really something. For months all the talk has been about this report, with the full expectation that it would be a written document, and no one in the administration every corrected that expectation until now, the eleventh hour. I know I should never be surprised by anything this cabal does, but I am, every single time.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:40 amif petraeus can’t meet his own benchmarks, how can we expect the iraqi gov’t to meet theirs? is he getting docked a grade for each day it’s late?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:41 am#
Quote from U.S. liberals: “Curses! Foiled again!â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 11:38 am
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It was my understanding that the right was looking forward to this report as well. It was supposed to be a report of success.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:41 amBy the 11th, there will be a cardboard cutout of Petraeus at the dais, with a speaker that only says “Everything’s GREAT!” when they hit a button in Cheney’s office.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:42 amPet Betrayus: Everyhting is fine!
September 7th, 2007 at 11:42 amDem: What?
Pet Betrayus: All is well.
Dem: Wheres your proof.
Pet Betrayus: I’m the proof.
Dem: Are you stoned?
Bush should let the TP regulars write the report. Anything else would be lies in their opinion. They only believe what they want to believe.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:42 am#18 see #17 above. Shithead.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:43 amI heard that Petraeus was seen hastily scribbling on a McDonalds hamburger wrapper at the airbase in Anbar, and handed it to George, who thought it was a hankie and blew his nose in it.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:43 amQuote from Bigfeets: “Facts be damned! Full ahead!”
September 7th, 2007 at 11:43 amaccording to #17 no report is better than a report anyway
September 7th, 2007 at 11:44 amQuote from U.S. liberals: “Curses! Foiled again!â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007
Explain why you think only liberals would expect a written report, or would be disappointed that there won’t be one? Are conservatives really content to just accept their word, with no supporting evidence. Oh wait….never mind.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:44 am““Paper-work will ruin any military forceâ€. - Lieutenant-General Lewis B. “Chesty†Puller.
This is a good, unclogging step. This will allow the general to provide an actual account of the U.S. winnings and minor downfalls in Iraq. The general doesn’t need to spend hours laboring in front of a computer to satisfy irrational democrat paper-pushing requirements unfortunately imposed on our military. Shame on them.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 11:42 am”
TOOOOOOOOSHAY!!!!!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe American people have been decieved as usual. They say one thing and do another, that’s par for the course. The administration has been lying since 9-11 and hasn’t stopped yet. They string the public along and then change the facts to suit their position. Why the democrats keep going along with this is mind boggling. They act as if the President has a 99 percent approval rating and the country is 100 percent behind the war. The only way this war is going to be stopped is if the democrats find some balls. That I doubt very very seriously. This is exactly why you don’t pick a guy like Harry Reid for majority leader. And why Nancy Pelosi has no business being speaker of the house.
There’s not a pair of balls between the two of them, and at least Nancy has an excuse. The small “d” democrats don’t deserve to be in power. They act like a coward who is afraid of his own shadow, and Bush keeps pushing them around. In fact they are worst than cowards, even a coward fights back sometime. If I were in charge, I’d cut funding for the war and bring the troops home, come hell or high water. The bad part about it is I think we could have won the war if it had not been so badly mismanaged, by Bremer and the Generals including Pratraeus. He has become nothing more than a waterboy for Bush, so he needs to resign and take those stars off his chest.
Think about it, there’s no way General McArthur, or Patton would have been fighting a small country like Iraq for 5 years with no sign of victory in sight. This guy served too long in an all volunteer peace time Army and has no real strategy to win. If Stormin Norman Swartzkaft was in charge this war would have been over 3 years ago. But they don’t make em like they used too. You see Swartzkaft learned the real lesson of Viet Nam. That is you can’t defeat an enemy you can’t see, you have to convence the people to turn against them and then you can win. They haven’t turned the citizen against the insurgents and that has a lot to do with them not giving us the intelligence to find and defeat the enemy.
Who knows, the Shadow knows!
September 7th, 2007 at 11:45 am#23, because report is required by law, and only liberals care about the rule of law when it comes to executive.
Why, how patriotic of us libs.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:46 amFrom the same crew that brought you “Unsworn Testimony With No Written Record” and “Bush and Cheney Testify Together” comes…The Petraeus Repor….uh..Speech”
September 7th, 2007 at 11:46 am“Explain why you think only liberals would expect a written report, or would be disappointed that there won’t be one? Are conservatives really content to just accept their word, with no supporting evidence.
Comment by troqua — September 7, 2007 @ 11:44 am”
The General can speak as well as write. Let someone else do the scribbling. There will plenty of stenographers around.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:47 amwell then if we wont know the facts, there is no reason on earth for us to believe one word Bush tries to.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:47 amPetraeus will turn into a “griot”, giving an oral history to the accompaniment of a skin drum and flute in front of a roaring fire while a Chimp sleepily looks on.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:47 amComment by The Shadow — September 7, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Does the Shadow cast a shadow during an eclipse?
:)
September 7th, 2007 at 11:48 amThere is no success in war.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:48 am#28, I don’t remember you being so slavishly deferential to all the generals who were sacked after disagreeing with the party line.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:49 am#
Comment by bobh — September 7, 2007 @ 11:42 am
The proof is that he’s a four-star military professional, Top-level school (TLS) trained, and the top U.S. military commander in Iraq.
Take your leftist academic sh!t elsewhere.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Hitler betrayed his people as well…and he was a soldier. Having stars on your lapel means shit when it comes to being truthful.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:49 amI am waiting to see both sides of the political aisle explode. The right has been praising Petraeus, and the left has been bashing him. What happens when he stands before congress and proclaims that the surge has been a miserable failure?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amThe General can speak as well as write. Let someone else do the scribbling. There will plenty of stenographers around.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 11:47 am
If things were getting better in Iraq, wouldn’t you want to write a full report about it?? Wouldn’t you want to publicize the report so the “libural media” wouldn’t twist the facts?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amMilitary secrecy is also established law. The world does not need to know every detail, and congressmen and women are notorious leakers of information…
They don’t call Patrick Leahy “Leaky Leahy” and Dick Durbin “Dick Turban” for nothing….
September 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amthe report was rejected because it only consisted of a single, unlined piece of paper with the words “we’re kicking ass” scribbled on it.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:50 amDean thinks soldiers are always truthful…and that rank means hes trustworthy…what say you all ?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:50 am#
Military secrecy is also established law. The world does not need to know every detail, and congressmen and women are notorious leakers of information…
They don’t call Patrick Leahy “Leaky Leahy†and Dick Durbin “Dick Turban†for nothing….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Our representatives have security clearances dickweed.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:51 am#38, like the secrecy of the identity of covert operatives working WMDs? Hypocrite.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:52 amI guess dean has been ignoring all those generals bush fired because they disagreed with the great commander guy decider in chief.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:52 am#
Military secrecy is also established law. The world does not need to know every detail, and congressmen and women are notorious leakers of information…
They don’t call Patrick Leahy “Leaky Leahy†and Dick Durbin “Dick Turban†for nothing….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 11:50 am
#
And yet, as you pointed out, there will plenty of stenographers around.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:52 amANOTHER BUSH BAIT AND SWITCH.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:53 am#38, like the secrecy of the identity of covert operatives working WMDs? Hypocrite.
Comment by PeterW — September 7, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Excellent retort!!
September 7th, 2007 at 11:53 amANOTHER BUSH BAIT AND SWITCH.
No surprise here, it’s what they’ve done EVERY day since 20 January 2001
September 7th, 2007 at 11:55 am#45, yeah, so when the Constitution says the executive is to ensure that all laws are duly enforced, that’s doesn’t matter because your glorious leader and the Party say otherwise?
Traitor.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:55 amSo it’s confirmed once again: We’re flying by the seat of Georgie’s pants.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:55 ama democratic supermajority is coming dean. what will you say when your boytoys are in jail?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:55 amCongress: Where is the report you promised?
Bushie: SHUT UP!!!
Congress: ok, daddy.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:55 amApparently even the South Korean junta leader is picking on bush in public.
Whats happening to Der Leaderman?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:57 ambaby; If Dean had ANY military service at all, he would know the military is FULL of mindless ask-no-questions robots.
Some us us though, actually QUESTIONED authority.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:58 amAuthoritarians, fascists, and lovers of the leadership principle believe that the people exist to serve war. The military can not be imposed upon to justify itself to the people, because it is superior to the people.
A republic, like ours, rightfully has that reversed. The military is subservient to the people, and to the people’s representatives: Article I, Section 8, places all power to regulate the military in hands of Congress. There is no provision for a standing army in the Constitution, and an explicit prohibition against appropriations for military uses lasting longer than two years.
There is nothing more fundamentally more unamerican, more treasonable to the principles of the founders, than the militarism and servility shown by the rightie trolls here.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:58 amcant find a handy misquote to bolster your non arguments gents? repugs? any repug sin the room?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:59 am“There is no spoon.” - Neo - The Matrix.
“There is no report.” - Neo-Conservative - The White House.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:59 amNext, we’re going to be told that Petraeus cannot use spoken words to describe Iraq before Congress, but has to use hand gestures like a game of charades.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“Our representatives have security clearances dickweed.
Comment by bobh — September 7, 2007 @ 11:51 am”
Not all of them, and rightfully so.
I remember a quote from an Air Force friend of mine during the first Iraq war, when the Stealth Fighter program was finally public knowledge, but details were still secret. He was one of the mechanics in the Stealth Fighter program, and could only talk about a little bit of information here and there.
We were discussing the military tactic of parking the stealth fighter force in plain view in Kuwait, while the ones attacking Iraq were launched from the U.S., fueled in midair, carried out their raids, and then returned. All the while the Iraqis were paying attention to the ones still on the ground.
One friend asked: “How many of the Stealth Fighters do you guys have?”
The reply was something like this: “Well, let me put it this way: Congress and the President would be suprised how many of these we actually have.”
‘Nuff said.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pm…
September 7th, 2007 at 12:00 pmso, if we’re told there will be no transcript, no recording…
…
i can’t even finish that thought…
…
Addington: Rove would know how to bend that report.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:01 pmBush: Too bad he left me to build my fantastic library at SMU.
#58, maybe he’ll show up in makeup as a Parisian mime.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:01 pm‘Nuff said.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Happy to be lied to? You pass. Go directly to Iraq to start the countries new stock exchange. No experience needed. :)
September 7th, 2007 at 12:02 pmQuote from U.S. liberals: “Curses! Foiled again!â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Quote from O. Bigfoot: “Man, these Neuticlesâ„¢ are so realisitic, I keep forgettin’ they’re not!”
September 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pmDean youd refer to a bathroom clerk if you needed to decide how to spend a million. The peapod rattling around in that addled head of yours is annoying to fleas and pitied by humans.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pmOn the bright side, there’s no chance that Congress and the CSPAN viewership can get hypnotized by Gen. Petraeus’ PowerPoint presentation. Green_Zone_Fog.ppt will remain safely on the General’s thumb drive.
Though it still remains to be seen if he whips out a metronome or pocketwatch at the hearing.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“I’ll defer to the general, thanks.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007″
‘as a way of pretending i’m actually in the military’ is the end of that sentence.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pmCriminals rarely like to work in the light of day. Bush, Cheney and now Patraeus are engaging in a shell game, much like the kind presented at this immoral wars beginning. Secret charts, no reports and veiled testimonies are par for the course, especially when you have something to hide.
And I have to ask again, why is impeachment off the table?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“… to describe Iraq before Congress, but has to use hand gestures like a game of charades.”
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver
Damn, dude, you hit it right on the money… they’re going to MIME the report! ROTFLMAO!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmDean isn’t aware of the existence of staff officers. Apparently he thinks generals pen their own reports.
Amazing how little he knows about the military he slavishly idolizes.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:05 pmDean types:
Er, Dean?
The “argument from authority” is no “proof” of anything, except of course to a cheetohs-stained spooge-emitting chickenhawk winger circlejerk artist such as yourself, of course. And other such authoritarian followers.
Peace out.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmDean, still waiting for an explanation why you’re defering to this general and not the numerous others who got sacked for not toeing the party line.
Okay, an explanation that doesn’t involve the fallacy of special pleading.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:06 pmHmmm….Bob, I believe the topic is paper-pushing, something of an idiodic premise to be forced upon the military.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Pff. Seriously! Can you believe the elected people who vote to FUND the military, and by proxy the taxpayers who they represent, would have the ARROGANCE to ask the military to report on how that funding has been used? Why don’t those damn American citizens just butt out!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#
Comment by Uncle Ho — September 7, 2007 @ 11:58 am
McCain has military service. Why do you leftists make a mockery out of and disregard him?
Your argument falls flat.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
because mccain made a mockery of himself dean.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI believe the topic is paper-pushing, something of an idiodic premise to be forced upon the military.
LOL No paper in the military. I guess everyone in the military has a photographic memory. Your premise that paper in the military is idiotic is hilarious. Try again.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“wait for the report!”
September 7th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“wait for the report!”
“wait for the report!”
“wait for the report!”
“what, you were expecting a report?!?”
So this free country, of the people, by the people and for the people are being told that the most accurate information that drives the decision making in spending more money and maintaining more troops in Iraq will be hidden from the people.
There have been numerous reports released to the public that show limited successes and complex problems in Iraq with a consensus that our presence in Iraq can start to draw down but that will be ignored to side with the hidden information.
We the people have a right to know.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:09 pm#64: I’ll defer to the general, thanks.
So, in other words, you’re more interested in General Petraeus’s evaluation of his own implementation of his boss’s Iraq strategy than you are in any independent analysis? Doesn’t it strike you that there may be a conflict of interest in evaluating one’s own performance? And you’re not at all concerned about the government’s secrecy surrounding this so-called report?
Seems to me, Dean, that your partisanship has made you blind. Not surprising, I guess, but kind of sad.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pm#75 Why don’t those damn American citizens just butt out!
Yeah. War makes Dean and others of his ilk feel manly by proxy. Ever since they were the little nerds playing Risk and Axis and Allies proving how tough they were by pushing imaginary armies around a crude world map, they have made their imagined feats of arms the yardstick of their masculinity.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pmMcCain has military service. Why do you leftists make a mockery out of and disregard him?
Your argument falls flat.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
We don’t make a mockery of his military service. We have great respect for his military service. We make a mockery out of the convenient senility he’s suffering from that’s made him forget the horrors he went through as a prisoner of war and led him to blindly support a moronic and poorly-managed military fiasco.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:10 pmDean
September 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pmFor fracks sake. Bush sacked the generals who told him the truth, remember? Patreaus knows he rise if he plays the game and that is what he is doing. He ain’t the first, MacArthur did the same thing.
So excuse me if I remain skeptical, and politely point out that you might be a wee bit gullible.
#80, Actually I’m a Texas-style leftist who works for the Navy in DC.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“wait for the report!â€
“wait for the report!â€
“wait for the report!â€
“wait for the report!â€
“what, you were expecting a report?!?â€
Comment by grover nerdquist — September 7, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Good one grover. Using your poetry:
“wait 6 weeks!”
September 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“wait 2 months!”
“wait 3 months!”
“wait 6 months!”
“what, what are you waiting for?
There is no report dean get with the current talking points, eh.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:11 pmComment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Yeh, its a waste of time to print up them PDB’s too!!
And budgets! And that piece of paper that GD constitution!
Worthless!
.sarcon
September 7th, 2007 at 12:12 pmah lunchtime…see you idiot repugs later
September 7th, 2007 at 12:13 pmMcCain has military service. Why do you leftists make a mockery out of and disregard him?
Your argument falls flat.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Maybe this is a better reason:…
During the 2004 Presidential, John McCain did not say a jot when John Kerry got swift-boated but yet came out, furiously demanding Kerry apologize to Bush on one of the rare occasions Kerry fought back.
Now, is this the portrait of a truly honest and upright person? I think not!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmSo, essentially, the republican talking point on this is that congress should have no say over military matters? Where was this logic during the Clinton years?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pmAnyone suppose the guys on the ground in Iraq call him “General Betray-us”? I know I would.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:15 pm#90, oh look, it’s the whole “we can’t release operational details” canard.
Come up with a better lie, Dean.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:16 pmDean CT, I didn’t read what the Lt. Gen. said. Could you provide a link?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:17 pmDid you read the quote by Lt. Gen. Puller?
Comment by Dean CT
___________________
Lt. Gen. Puller … sounds like a Republican men’s restroom secret code name.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“Coleman said the data is ‘very clear about a reduction in violence’”
That looks like a typo…it should be “Coleman said the data is ‘very clear about a REDACTION OF violence’”
September 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI love it when a crazy leftist pretends to know about and love the military.
Ya know Dean, you could save alot of typing if you left out your unprovable projectionism. In fact, your whole post could be reduced to this:
I it when to know about.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmBush doesn’t or can’t read, so what is the point of a report.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI’m not speaking of other generals. That isn’t the topic. I’m asserting that obsessive paper work requirements is a detriment to effectiveness within ongoing U.S. military operations.
Comment by Dean CT
Did you read a report somewhere that helped you come to this assertion or did you just make this up about 10 minutes ago?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWhat?? It’s about paperwork? Are you sticking by that, Dean? Really?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pm“PeterW, Massachusetts-style leftist.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007″
“#80, Actually I’m a Texas-style leftist who works for the Navy in DC.
Comment by PeterW — September 7, 2007″
[uncomfortable silence as dean listens to ‘rush’ in hopes of getting a new talking point]
September 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA MY GOD WHAT A BAD JOKE,,, something stinks about this non report HAHAHAHAHAHA
September 7th, 2007 at 12:20 pmSo the pregnant lady for nine months that was supposed to deliver the baby in few days,after a long waiting, is not pregnant after all…!!!
And there will be no report!!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:20 pm#72: McCain has military service. Why do you leftists make a mockery out of and disregard him?
Perry Smith served in the Korean War. That doesn’t mean he should have run for President.
McCain’s terrible performance during this campaign has been entirely of his own making–everything from his ridiculous “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran” ditty to his “you little jerk” treatment of the high school kid in New Hampshire. I haven’t heard anyone criticize his military service.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:20 pmEverytime I think this administration can’t get any lower, they redefine low.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:22 pmAgain, stupid leftist. The issue is paperwork in regards to U.S. military operations.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
That’s right! We have a completely paperless Pentagon now! No forms, no reports, no directives or administrative instructions, nothing!
The entire U.S. military now communicates solely by rumor and innuendo.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmDean CT, I worked in the pentagon and I know that there is a detailed report on about everything our military does. The military lives by reports.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmYou’re not speaking of other generals because they destroy your claim that Petraeus is uniquely qualified to discuss the war, and we must then lick his boots.
Petraeus has a long history of making politicized and misleading comments to the press, by making false statements on the readiness of Iraqi brigades, by authoring partisan op-eds with the intent of influencing the election. He’s a partisan operative, whatever his qualifications. The very fact that he has repudiated his own counterinsurgency manual should be proof enough that his military expertise takes a back seat to his partisan allegiance.
You won’t discuss the other generals because being a lickspittle to this one makes you feel strong - and you’re not. You’re a cowering little boy looking for a Hero to save you. The other generals - spanning both sides of the aisle (though mainly Republican) prove that Petraeus is no Hero, no singularly qualified expert - because they were propped us as such until they were no longer useful to the cause.
For the sake of the Republic, cowering little boys like you need to grow up.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThat isn’t the topic. I’m asserting that obsessive paper work requirements is a detriment to effectiveness within ongoing U.S. military operations.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007
You have got to be joking, the military is the biggest bean counters, recorders, and paperwork happy folks of all times.
Nice TRY, But hardly an excuse,
In a recent hearing, Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) said he recently met with Gen. Petraeus and was shown “the data.â€
Well, Dean, did he write that DATA on the back of his hand?
MWAH. Nice Try CT aka Mr P lackey.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmReport = No report
Based on theory of mind Lock and the inversion of meaning as described by James Brooks
Inversions of meaning used in totalitarian ideologies like that developing in the US
Self-defense = Aggression
Freedom = Denial of freedom
Democracy = Apartheid
Religious freedom = Religious exclusivity
Prosperity = Poverty
Legality = Lawlessness
Peace = Continual war
http://www.counterpunch.org/brooks09072007.html
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmPicard: “Number one, report!”
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmwhy not start non impeachment proceedings also - Oh Thats been done
September 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pmNo one mocks McCain’s military service. Unlike you righties who mock Jon Stotlz’s military service, or any soldier or veteran who questions the administration’s policies.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWe’d didn’t need to see a formal document to know what it would contain.
This is what the Petraeus report would have looked like…
September 7th, 2007 at 12:24 pmNo one mocks McCain’s military service.
I mock the fact that it is never discussed how McCain dropped bombs from 30,000 feet on innocent people in an undeclared war. To me that spells war criminal, not war hero.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pmThanks for talking, Mr. 9/11-was-worth-it, but I won’t be accepting your military input.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Heh. Good one. Did you think of that all by yourself, or did Mr. P help you?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:25 pm#106, Dean, you’re just sad. We should govern ourselves to a single context-less quote, and obey it because the one quoted has a rank?
I eagerly await your humble deference to the admonitions contained in the inevitable Smedley Butler quotes one could bombard you with in reply.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:26 pmMind lock and inversion of meaning as represented in US fanatical thinking
War criminal = war hero
September 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmReport = no report
I know that the civilian/stateside crew at the Pentagon has to get something done in order to make a living
Yeah with blood on their hands.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmReply to @32: Yes I do cast a Shadow during an eclipse. And for all of the idiots who are defending Bush the following facts come to mind. Remember the Quote: Rumsfeld: “We have enough troops in Iraq. If our commanders need more troops they’ll ask for more troops.” Cheney: “We will be greeted as liberators”. Bush: “We’ll stand down and they stand up”. Bush: “Wait for the Report”. Any fool who doesn’t have enough brains to see the trees, needs to buy a bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn.
I criticize the weak democrats continually, but I’m a Democrat. I have enough brains to see the facts as they are. I don’t just follow the party talking points. Wake up my foolish Republicans friends, there are facts and there is spin. Can you guys tell the difference?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmGo learn something.
Comment by Dean CT
Hey can you teach me how to project my imagination on others?
Lemme try your method of learning, here goes.
You stupid insipid brain dead republiscum wide stance haggardly meth using Bush bot ignoramus fool right wing wacko Rovian talking point prattling piss ant, go learn something you GrOPer tin foil moon unit!!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmNo report is their way of admitting that there is no progress.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pm.
— General Petraeus Reports to Congress —
Gen. Petraeus: “The report was sent via e-mail - didn’t you get it?”
General’s aide whispers in general’s ear….. “Spss, spsssss, spsss.”
Gen. Petraeus: “The e-mail is, ahhh…., er….., umm….., ”
General’s aide whispers in general’s ear….. “Spsss, spss, spss-sss.”
Gen. Petraeus: “It seems the e-mail was lost when the RNC server crashed.”
.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pm…
amazing… to come up with this excuse…
obsessive paper work requirements is a detriment to effectiveness within ongoing U.S. military operations.
simply amazing…
such traitorous thinking is very embarrassing…
September 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmi’m sad for the loss of my country…
…
“Actually I’m a Texas-style leftist who works for the Navy in DC. Comment by PeterW — September 7, 2007″
“Dean CT, I worked in the pentagon and I know that there is a detailed report on about everything our military does. The military lives by reports. Comment by hellinabucket — September 7, 2007″
“Go learn something.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 ”
someone’s upset because the grown-ups have the jobs he wants to have when he grows up.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThe report has been all the white house has been talking about, and now it sounds more like an informal chat. WTF???
September 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmDeano; I was in the service at the SAME time as McCain.
I don’t mock his service. I question his sanity
September 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmYou stupid insipid brain dead republiscum wide stance haggardly meth using Bush bot ignoramus fool right wing wacko Rovian talking point prattling piss ant, go learn something you GrOPer tin foil moon unit!!
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
#
Damn, not bad. Do you mind if I start using that as my username?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pmIf congress wants reports, then fine, they should run off to the Pentagon to fetch them instead of bothering active ground forces,
Hahaha! Dean thinks Petraeus and his staff are cowering in a foxhole on the front-lines.
Actually, he probably doesn’t. He just needs to portray things this way to perpetuate his lame justification why the law should be ignored.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#72: McCain has military service. Why do you leftists make a mockery out of and disregard him?
Huh, it’s your party that makes a mockery out of democrats military service and your party that is led by two men who did what they could to avoid the front line. Nice try. Next silly statement.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pmI don’t mock McCain’s service, I consider him a war criminal
September 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmDean, last I checked (and I might be wrong), Gen. Butler was the most decorated officer in history, not Lt. Gen Puller.
So when will you start agreeing that war is a racket and that our troops are routinely used as musclemen for big business?
What, you’re selective in your slavish devotion to authority?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmPentagon to fetch them instead of bothering active ground forces, -CT
Active ground force, what are all you submissive authoritarian dress wearing Republitards such butt kissing goober smoochers that cant think for them damn idiot selves, do you ConPERVatives think people are gonna believe that pundit prattling crap you pathetic GOpigs are always tryig to sell? All you ReichWangers are absolue retards that couldnt read a report if you had too, no wonder Bush doesnt read, Reichwangers dont read anything but whats on the stall walls before peeping thru the cracks!!
Man, I learnt how to be moronic Restupidcan today, thanks CT for learning me sumthin’ ya Republicum public restroom freak.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmArguing over the report that is not. Typical waste of time. How they toy with you, promising reports that you know will say nothing, then withholding reports to keep you jumping.
Anal retentive behavior is based on the need to control people. The way you control people is by making them as uncomfortable as possible and never allowing them to be happy.
Anal retentive parents and spouses do this all the time to those they supposedly love.
Bush and the neocons and the Pentagon do this all the time to the American people.
It’s one more inversion of meaning tool in their arsenal.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pmAre the positive reports coming from Iraq signs of success? Or do the numbers tell a grimmer story? Read about this and debate it at http://www.thecoin.org
September 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmTrust us, even though you won’t actually see it, there IS a show, and the dog and pony both give terrific performances.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmReply to #126: Come on my friend there is no reason to point out all of the Bull that the Republicans have faced in recent times. Like Ted Haggard (Gay preacher), Sen. Craig (Gay Senator), a Congressman Foley (Gay pediphile), Sen. Wha’ts his name from Louisiana, whose name was found in a hookers phone book, not to mention Sen. Ted Stevens (Crooked Senator on the take), of Duke Cunningham of California, etc, etc, etc. The bridge to no where in Alaska, by a Republican Congressman, whose name escapes me. All of the spending that the Republican Congress did while they had power. Oh, I’m sorry they are the party of family values and low spending. I forgot the fact that the federal government has doubled in size under Bush. Why bring up the other party’s faults, can’t we all just get along?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pm‘Dermot’ is one of the TP masquerades.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWhat an airhead.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Wow. Good one Dean CT. You really know how to debate an issue. I hope my 13 year old nephew doesn’t come across you in the debate challenge.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThe GOP is the party of theft by privatization - they are teaching the Dems well.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pm…
well… i guess betrayus has been really busy
with his green-zone tour business lately…
not much time to do his homework… not even enough time
to even dictate the information to the stenographers…
war’s hard work…
September 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pm…
What an airhead. Comment by Dean CT
Look here you Reichwanger fascist GOP Adolphist no reading paperless pontificating priss, if there was every a oversized pointed cranium that would be able to hold mass quantities of Oxygen less air it would the standard Republicunt one that all you parroting pricks have lodged into your GOP rectal colonoscopic derrier!!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmDermot’ is one of the TP masquerades
Sorry but I am my own poison
September 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmrayman, verbalknit, northern observer, dermot, jake D., The Shadow Chris L. and …Mr. P are one and the same person…whew what a Schitzo!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWhen Patraeous gives his oral report to Congress, does he get to wear Bush’s wire to Dich Cheney’s bunker.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmRoss Perot had charts too. They had to be true as they were done in Powerpoint.
Isn’t it beautiful how the spoken testimony will allow absolutely no assessment of what was redacted and what wasn’t.
That “giant sucking sound” was really the Texas repulbicans.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pm151
Don’t include me in there. You obviously don’t read or understand my posts.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmuseful idiot - useful = Dean
September 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmMcCain is a war criminal
September 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmGee, I hope Petraeus’ oral show and tell report to Bush doesn’t interfere with his bike riding, his peanutbutter and jelly sandwich lunch, or his nappy time when Condi tucks him in and reads another page of The Hungry Caterpillar to him.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmLied to again, go figure.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThe war was never meant to be WON….it was so that they could put Bases in Iraq so they can have military control of the ME OIL. We are gonna be there for many, many years to come.
The Dems aren’t doing anything about it because if they do, then the repukians will blame them for the lose. Pull out and Iraq self destructs, blame the Dems. It is a lose lose situation and Harry and Nancy know this.
They just want the war to stay in the hands of the Repukians so that the 08 elections will destroy the Repukian party of perverts.
Good day.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Yet you are still here!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmrayman, verbalknit, northern observer, dermot, jake D., The Shadow Chris L. and …Mr. P are one and the same person…whew what a Schitzo!
Comment by rathertruth — September 7, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
throw in ‘Snake Plisken”, ‘Dean’ and so on…how do you do it, schitzo?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmGood day.
Comment by Dean CT
Awww, I guess I learnt too good. I was just practicing being a Republican projectionist Dean. Pinning my baseless personal imagination on racous racist righty restroom dwellers.
Isnt that what I am supposed to do to become a conservative?
*sniff*
Dont go away mad, Dean, just go away, please.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmSorry, Peter. Chesty Puller’s the guy.
Comment by Dean CT
I admit, I haven’t been following this thread, but Peter said that Gen. Butler was the most decorated officer….Puller, according to your source was the most decorated Marine. Sounds like Peter may have been correct after all, at least if you’re including all branches of service.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAgain, good day.
Comment by Dean CT
Hey you troop hating anti-american apologist for incompetence, your supposed to sat goodd ay once and leave, this aint no public restroom ya jocksniffing conPERVative peterwelt!!
September 7th, 2007 at 12:50 pmBesides that comment, I have been debating the issue.
I would call you stupid, but being a leftist, I can see, already covers that trait.
Again, good day.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Holy mother of an imaginary god. Another great line Dean.
Your “debate” that the military shouldn’t need to do paper work to show any progress is nothing but cowtowing to the Bush cabel’s idea that you shouldn’t question anything this admin does. Funny you calling me stupid while blissfully practicing ignorance. Go away.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmTruther
Let me ask you a question.
Suppose Vietnam has become a major power, and the US is defenseless and broken due to the Iraq war and the sub-crime hedge fund debacle.
And suppose Vietnam decides to invade and bomb the US in an undeclared war because they claim the US to be a danger to them, although the real reason is they want to take over US resources and they want to grow marijuana on the sly, etc.
And suppose you are a Vietnamese military pilot and your orders are to drop bombs on Iowa from 30,000 feet in order to further this campaign.
Your plane is shot down by the decimated Iowan national guard, who are called insurgents by the Vietnamese media, and you are trotted through the streets of Des Moines and sent to Guantanamo for torture sessions.
Are you a war criminal?
September 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pmthrow in ‘Snake Pliskenâ€, ‘Dean’ and so on…how do you do it, schitzo?
Comment by telleroftruth
Huh? Mr P doesn’t go after Restupidicans.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmNever write when you can speak.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmNever speak when you can nod.
Never nod when you can wink.
Are you a war criminal?
Comment by Dermot — September 7, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Exactly what I expect Jake D(ermot) to say.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:55 pmIt’s required BY CONGRESS to be compliled and presented by the WH you gloids.
Keep on attacking the military, as it’s something you’ve loved to do since Vietnam.
September 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmTruther
Answer the question or don’t you have the guts
September 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“wait for the report!â€
“wait for the report!â€
“wait for the report!â€
“wait for the report!â€
“what, you were expecting a report?!?â€
Comment by grover nerdquist — September 7, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
“wait 6 weeks!â€
“wait 2 months!â€
“wait 3 months!â€
“wait 6 months!â€
“what, what are you waiting for?
Comment by yikes — September 7, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
“we can’t comment on an ongoing investigation”
September 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“this is part of an ongoing investigation”
“we will wait until the investigation has been completed”
“well that’s old news and i’m sure we all want to leave it all behind in the past and move on”
Truther
If you can’t answer the question then you can’t handle the truth. And you should change your moniker to I-Can’t-Handle-the-Truther
September 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThe report has been all the white house has been talking about, and now it sounds more like an informal chat. WTF???
Comment by Krazny — September 7, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
They’re actually going to be sending the report by AOL Instant Messenger Chat, I understand. Here’s how I think it’s going to go down:
GenDavidP1952: K, I’m ready 2 give teh report now
September 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmSASComm06: k
GenDavidP1952: On the Iraq benchmarks, k?
SASComm06: k
GenDavidP1952: AFK
SASComm06: Hello?
SASComm06: General?
SASComm06: You there?
GenDavidP1952: Sorry, truck bombing.
SASComm06: OMG!!! RUOK?
GenDavidP1952: Yeah NP. Happens all the time. where was I?
Maf54: I miss you
GenDavidP1952: Can’t talk now Mark
Maf54: your busy, dave?
GenDavidP1952: I’m testifying before the committee. u kno - all that oversight crap
Maf54: i used to be in congress
SASComm06: general?
SASComm06: hello?
GenDavidP1952: I konw. TTU l8r, ok?
Maf54: can I have a good kiss goodnight
GenDavidP1952: :-*
GenDavidP1952: sry - had 2 talk 2 girlfriend. ANYHOO
SASComm06: U hav report?
GenDavidP1952: What report?
SASComm06: Iraq surge, remember?
GenDavidP1952: LOL Oh rite ;-)
GenDavidP1952: k ready?
SASComm06: yes plz
GenDavidP1952: Iraq surge is kewl. :-)
SASComm06: That’s it?
GenDavidP1952: Yup! ^_^
SASComm06: ^_^
GenDavidP1952: lol
SASComm06: lol
GenDavidP1952:k CU in April
SASComm06: l8r!
Never write when you can speak.
Never speak when you can nod.
Never nod when you can wink.
Comment by Ralph Kramden
Never write when you can move feet
September 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmNever move feet when you can peep
Never never peep when you gesture
Larry Craig
Truther
Answer the question or don’t you have the guts
Comment by Dermot — September 7, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Once again, Jake D(ermot) in full-motion-video
September 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmBoy, CT_V1 thinks using a new name (Dean CT) hides who we know he really is, same fool, different name, what a fool. That guys doesn’t two brain cells to rub together.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmMore to Duck-out Dean:
#144, when the White House defies the law, it’s not a loss to leftists. It’s a loss to the Constitution, and it’s a loss to the Republic, and the foundation that no man is above the law, upon which all rests. You are a traitor.
#157, Butler was a Marine, but I suspect it depends on the metric of “most decorated” used. Personally I would contend that twice receiving Medal of Honor, and once Brevet Ensign (which was the officer’s equivalent of the MoH before the latter was opened to officers) - in other words, thrice receiving the nation’s highest honor, in addition to whatever other honors he undoubtedly received - trumps a single branch’s second highest given five times. But let’s call their honors equal, for sake of argument.
When do you slavishly devote yourself to Gen. Butler’s quotes then? When can we expect you to denounce war as a corrupt tool of Wall Street?
September 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAt his May 24, 2007 Press Conference, this is what George Bush told the press:
“…David Petraeus will come back with his assessment after his plan has been fully implemented, and give us a report as to what he recommends — what he sees, and what he recommends…”
“and give us a report” The press conference is up on the White House website, for anyone who cares to google it.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAnswer the question or don’t you have the guts
Comment by Dermot — September 7, 2007
Dont you mean “Link or your a liar!”
September 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pm#171 It’s required BY CONGRESS to be compliled and presented by the WH you gloids.
Which, including the signature your glorious leader applied to it, makes it THE LAW.
Keep on attacking the Constitution, as it’s something you’ve loved to do since the Alien and Sedition Acts.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmlmao, toasterhead!
September 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmTruther
September 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmYou are a waste of my time. Go tap your foot three times in the men’s room.
[…]
GenDavidP1952:k CU in April
SASComm06: l8r!
Comment by toasterhead — September 7, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
jeez, that was funny…
thanks for the smile…
September 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pm…
I call shenanigans! Now where did I put my broom…
~Sean
September 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pmWhen will the White House confirm that there is in fact
September 7th, 2007 at 1:06 pmNO GENERAL Petraeus.
#187, if there were no General Petraeus, we should have to invent one.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmTruther
You are a waste of my time. Go tap your foot three times in the men’s room.
Comment by Dermot — September 7, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
You are Jake D(ermot)….and the other names. F***ing Schitzo.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWhen will the White House confirm that there is in fact
NO GENERAL Petraeus.
Comment by Saskboy — September 7, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
As soon as they’re finished renaming all the provinces in Iraq to “Anbar”
September 7th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHere’s what will definitely happen when Gen. David Petraeus testifies before Congress next week: he’ll assert that the surge has reduced violence in Iraq — as long as you don’t count Sunnis killed by Sunnis, Shiites killed by Shiites, Iraqis killed by car bombs and people shot in the front of the head.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:14 pm“Quote from O. Bigfoot: “Man, these Neuticlesâ„¢ are so realisitic, I keep forgettin’ they’re not!â€
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 7, 2007 @ 12:03 pm”
Quote from The Republic of Stupidity: Man, I keep talking gibberish, as if people understand me! That makes me happy! Gimme’ another shot, barkeep….
September 7th, 2007 at 1:26 pmGenerals don’t sit down and type their own reports. Four stars generals have their own personal secretary. He could dictate the report to that person. The idea the poor general must spend hours physically typing his own report is ludicrous. Spoken by someone who’s never been in the military
September 7th, 2007 at 1:28 pmreminds me of a movie…
“I’m sorry. My responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.”
September 7th, 2007 at 1:31 pmPublic Law 110-28:
Who cares about facts when you can smear Pretraeus?
September 7th, 2007 at 1:33 pmNo written report to get the facts to the people? Then it’s time for impeachment of Bush to begin. Just another lie to add to the many lies he’s told the american people.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:34 pm#195 Toliver: Is this in writing? If so, Bush will not get another dime from Congress with this latest charade.
September 7th, 2007 at 1:35 pm