Thompson: Osama Bin Laden Is ‘More Symbolism Than Anything Else’
Thompson: Osama Bin Laden Is ‘More Symbolism Than Anything Else’
Speaking to reporters in Iowa today aboard his “brightly colored campaign bus,” Fred Thompson spoke about the war in Iraq and the war against terrorist networks. He claimed — without any evidence — that “Americans are beginning to move in his direction in their support for the war in Iraq.” He also dismissed the threat of Osama bin Laden:
Bin Laden is more symbolism than anything else. I think it demonstrates to people once again that we’re in a global war.
Thompson’s statement echoes the sentiments of President Bush, who in March 2002 said, “I truly am not that concerned about” bin Laden, and Ann Coulter, who said in Aug. 2006 said that bin Laden is “irrelevant.”
Yet bin Laden — the man who masterminded the attacks on 9/11 — is more than just a “symbol.” Today he issued a new videotape promising to “escalate the killing and fighting against you.”
In May, U.S. News reported that “bin Laden already has a safe haven in Pakistan — and may be stronger than ever” as al Qaeda “retains the ability to organize complex, mass-casualty attacks and inspire others.” Bin Laden is behind much of this resurgence:
The broader movement inspired by al Qaeda has only grown bigger, largely because of the group’s powerful propaganda machine. Bin Laden and Zawahiri have been able to fill in the gaps between their megaplots with a rising stream of smaller-scale, homegrown attacks.
U.S. intelligence officials are also now admitting that they overestimated the “damage they had inflicted on al Qaeda’s network,” with the war in Iraq serving as an “undeniable boon for al Qaeda.”
UPDATE: Kicking Ass notes that today on Good Morning America, Thompson said, “I think the point is clearly he’s there, clearly he’s somewhere along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and clearly he’s still giving orders.” Watch it:
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You mean our soldiers in Iraq haven’t found this guy yet?!
September 7th, 2007 at 5:40 pmHe’s hiding behind those weapons of mass destruction.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:41 pmSo aside from being wanted for the worst terrorist attack on the US, Osama isn’t a big deal? OOOOKKKKAAaYYYYYYY Fred don’t hurt yourself. Is this really the best the right has to offer?
September 7th, 2007 at 5:42 pmOBL TELEGRAM TO W; THANK YOU THANK YOU
Dear Georgie,
THANK YOU for letting up on the hunt for me.
THANK YOU for creating new orphans and Jihadists everyday.
THANK YOU for supporting my family and whitewashing the 9/11 investigation (guess we both were dirty)
THANK YOU for invading Iraq for that I will always be thankful.
THANK YOU for spending all your resources and children to die in the optional war of Iraq .
THANK YOU FOR LEAVING OFFICE WITHOUT GETTING ME.
AS A GESTURE OF MY APPRECIATION I WILL OR AL-ZAWAHARI WILL PUT OUT TAPES FROM TIME TO TIME TO HELP YOUR POLL NUMBERS LIKE WE HELPED YOU GET ELECTED IN 2004
HUGS AND KISSES,
Osama Bin Forgotten
September 7th, 2007 at 5:42 pmIs this really the best the right has to offer?
Comment by Krazny — September 7, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
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Sadly, yes. If they ran Ron Paul, I think he could actually provide some serious competition, but they won’t do that. As I’ve said before, as long as the dems don’t run Hillary, the ‘08 election will be a slam dunk.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:44 pmUKNOWN LETTER FROM OBL TO BUSH
After numerous rounds of “We don’t know if Osama is still alive,” Osama
himself decided to send George Bush a letter in his own handwriting to
let him know he was still in the game. Bush opened the letter and it
appeared to contain a single line of coded message:
*370HSSV-0773H*
Bush was baffled, so he emailed it to Condi Rice. Condi and her aides
had no clue either, so they sent it to the FBI. No one could solve it
at the FBI so it went to the CIA, then to the NSA.
With no clue as to its meaning, they eventually asked Britain ’s MI-6
for help. Within a minute MI-6 cabled the White House with this reply:
“Tell the President he’s holding the message upside down.”
September 7th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIs Fred using the Stanislavski Method of acting or the Strasburg Method as he delivers his lines on the subject of Bin Laden as symbolism?
September 7th, 2007 at 5:46 pmRon Paul would cause the 30%ers like Mr.P and Dean to go even further off the rails then they already are. I mean what would they do, a republican who was against the war.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:47 pmThompson buffoonery is going to be fun to watch. Here’s your savior, Republicans! hahaha
September 7th, 2007 at 5:47 pmOBL FREE = HISTORICAL COLLOSSAL FAILURE
So impotent
September 7th, 2007 at 5:48 pmSo incompetent
So powerless
Osama is a symbol that killed 3000+ on 9/11. He makes me talk like Bush.
Idiot.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThen why are we offering $50 million reward for this “symbol”?
Idiot.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:50 pmGlad to see a Republican finally tell the truth to the American people…that Osama is “more symbolism than anything else.” Of course liberals and progressives have known that for years now. We already know the Republicans use Osama more as a “boogeyman” to freighten people into “behaving”. We also know that “behaving” for Republicans means absolute servitude to their agenda and never questioning them.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:51 pm“Our national security, the lives of our soldiers, and National treasure in the hands of the insolvent National governement. Our destiny is in their hands and they determine our success”
–President George Bush
“That there is a mighty fine strategy and I agree with the President”
–Fred Thompson
September 7th, 2007 at 5:52 pmFred Thompson is an actor..but is he a script writer too??? If he is making it up as he goes, he’s probably gonna step in it before long.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:55 pmOsama’s message is more symbolic than anything else.
Comment by Master P
Never before stated is such a transparent embarrassingly lame defensive rationalization for failure to catch or kill.
OBL FREE = HISTORICAL COLLOSSAL FAILURE.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:55 pmUmmm… actually, you Proglibs think that OBL is either a) an Israeli operative, or b) in cahoots with Bush.
Nice try.
.
Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Well none of the GOP seems to want to catch him, especially the Israeli connected NeoCons – so what exactly are people SUPPOSED to think? That you’re THAT INCOMPETENT?
September 7th, 2007 at 5:56 pmSoon after Washington announced it had the video, all the websites that usually carry statements from al-Qaeda went down and were inaccessible, in an unprecedented shutdown, according to the Associated Press news agency.
The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E2EDB797-31D0-4C50-9B18-9E7D00A65C9B.htm
September 7th, 2007 at 5:57 pmFred Thompson is a good symbol of the desperate nature of the wingtards. I don’t think the country is really going to accept a B actor as President… OH wait…
September 7th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThe only important terrorists are the ones that get caught. Those that get away are merely symbolic. Similarly the only goals that matter are those that the GWB Admin meets, the rest are symbolic. Failure is actually a symbol of the GWB Admin.
September 7th, 2007 at 5:59 pmI thought the right hated hollywood & actors. I guess that’s only when they’re liberal. Anyone figure they’ll see those damned flip-flops at the RNC conventions in 2008?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:00 pmI cant distinguish who is the pig and who’s the man.Can anybody help
September 7th, 2007 at 6:00 pmBig Fred kicks serious ass!
Effin’ A right he does!
USA!USA!USA!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:00 pmPresident-elect Thompson is correct. Osama’s message is more symbolic than anything else.
Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Gotta go to the night job but I’ll ask again, why do you feel a lack luster exsenator who has only just declared has any chance of becoming president? Is it just that the rest of the GOP field is so weak? Weren’t you tripping on the nobody Tancredo some weeks ago? Spell it out what specific aspects of Thompson or his platform should make me consider him?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:01 pmWhat do you have to say about Rosencrantz’s characterization of Proglibs, then, if you feel that way?
Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
What do you think of Reality, if you answer my post in that fashion?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:03 pmOMG! Freddy Flintstone Thompson is sure a supporter of war on Terrur, ain’t he!
I have to see how ANY Repug will swallow that big marshmallow whole. But I guess, to them, it isn’t about anything but protecting Dubya’s sorry arse in the Iraq quagmire.
Go Freddy, Go!
Maybe OBL will sign up as your running mate, VP OBL. That iwill fit the Repug image just fine.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:03 pmMisses P, your dichotomous thinking is showing. I know it may be a strain to your itty bitty brain to know a divergence in Rosencratz diverse and well articulated views from you embarrassingly tranparent dodge of Bush’s failure.
How heavy is the water today. Why do you want OBL to go free and state he is no significance? Why do you excuse OBL have you forgotten about the 3,000 Americans murdered on 9/11?
Apparently you now support OBL if it helps protect your Failure in Chief.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWithout a modifier like “alleged” or “supposed” before “masterminded,” this post reinforces the official 9/11 conspiracy theory (OBL, some cash, and 19 guys, some under FBI surveillance) . Did he mastermind nationwide NORAD etc war games that morning which confused the many civil and military aviation agencies involved? Check the Commission Report which openly acknowledges these before you flame. This mastermind must have gotten hella lucky. The bigger question is does Thompson really know anything or is he just parroting Bush? I pick the latter, but given Nixon ties (Cheney, Rummy) maybe he’s still in the neocon intel loop.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:04 pmAnother assclown running for president.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI can’t wait until President-elect Thompson is elected!!!
DEATH TO MUSLIMS EXTREMISTS
BEAT DOWNS FOR HIPPIES
BIG ASS FENCE FOR THE BORDERS
GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!
Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Change MUSLIMS with CHRISTIANS and BLESS to DESTROY and this rant could have been taken from an Al Qaeda press statement!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAnother assclown running for president.
Comment by USMC6112 — September 7, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Yeah, and the lunatic anti-american wingnuts can’t get enough of the Gucci Pansy!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAnother assclown running for president.
Comment by USMC6112 — September 7, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
I wonder if Freddy has been trying on any inflatable codpieces yet?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:06 pmThe Decider found out he needed Osama. He sure gave him a big boost right before the 04 election. The Decider send Osama a thank you note. Thanks Osama, I’ll call ya again when I need ya.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:07 pmOBL speaks a hell of a lot more more truth than Bush
September 7th, 2007 at 6:08 pmMisses P – You just got OWNED by statement #36.
Oh Damn that had to hurt.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAAAA!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:08 pmIs that all you’ve got!!?!?!?!?!??!!?
BWaHAHAHAHAHAHhAhhaahhahahahahahAHAHHHHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
That’s all we need with Lazy-boy Fred, the Terrorist’s best friend!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:09 pmThe Decider found out he needed Osama. He sure gave him a big boost right before the 04 election. The Decider send Osama a thank you note. Thanks Osama, I’ll call ya again when I need ya.
Comment by gdm — September 7, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Looks like he sent him a few boxes of Nice ‘n’ Easy, too. Usama washed that grey right out of his hair:
http://sitemultimedia.org/video/SITE_UBL_Sahab_Clip_907.wmv
September 7th, 2007 at 6:10 pmCan you imagine the “Symbolism” the right would be shouting from the mountain tops if they had actually managed to get Bin Laden? The hypocrisy is all too common from the right.
Saying that Bin Laden is symbolism more than anything else is by far the most defeatist thing I have heard regarding the perpetrator of 911.
Why doesn’t the republican party want to bring this man to justice?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:12 pmMassive P, as a pseudo male doesn’t it bother your masculinity and sense of honor that Bush is completely impotent and incompetent to get OBL?
When did you secretly salute failures and pussies? You are one yourself and it shows.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:12 pmWhat a PANSY Thompson is! He’s such a WEAK KNEED PIECE OF SH!T that he claims DISCUSSION and DISSENT makes us WEAK!! BAHAHA, what an UNAMERICAN PIECE OF SH!TTTT!!!! How could ANYONE DARE try to run for President with THAT UN-AMERICAN ATTITUDE!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:12 pmFUK YOU, TOASTERHEAD!!!!
YOU SHITEATING TRAITOR!!!!!!!
Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
If you looked in the mirror when you typed this, then yes, it’s true, you are a SHITEATING TRAITOR – MIZZ PEE!!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:13 pmAnd the Republicans are desperate enough for a decent candidate that they would consider this doofus, why? Good lord what an embarassing pinhead. Aren’t even the Republicans tired of a President that makes us look foolish every time he puts his silver foot back in his mouth?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWhen did you secretly salute failures and pussies? You are one yourself and it shows.
Comment by Heterodoxy — September 7, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
he stalked and murdered his ex-girlfriend because he was such a balless wonder, he’s definitely an emasculated p*ssy. No wonder he doesn’t have the balls to sign up for Iraq!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWhat? But but Fred, Mr P hates symbolism!!
He hates Muslims because of Osama!
Are you saying Osama is subjective?
Mr P is so confused right now!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAmerican Government trying to prove that they are still under threat. I personally believe that Usama is already under American custody
September 7th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSomeone tell Thompson that this isn’t a TV program. Oh hell, on TV they actually try and arrest the guilty.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThe fact that he’s still out there is symbolic of the fact that Bush is a complete, utter failure at everything he has ever tried.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThe fact that he’s still out there is symbolic of the fact that Bush is a complete, utter failure at everything he has ever tried.
Comment by Kyle — September 7, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Kyle gets a big BINGO
September 7th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
What you got subjective truth boy? Seem Fred just dealt you a great symbolic, subjective blow.
Haw, your flooding [excessive text] shows your infantile frustration.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:18 pmBush is used to failure. just look at the string of companies he owned.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:18 pm“Bin Laden is more symbolism than anything else. ”
“I think the point is clearly he’s there, clearly he’s somewhere along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and clearly he’s still giving orders.â€
So what is it Fred – a symbol or a threat. Make up your mind and quit flipping around.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:19 pmcant wait for the full transcripts, Bin Laden can tell more truths in a 20 minutes video than Bush has told all his life
September 7th, 2007 at 6:21 pmwow–thompson was awful–the huge pause–the unbelievablly stupid comment.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:22 pmFred with a RePIGnican, aww isn’t that cute, cuddling his own.
Seriously though, Fred looks quite old and kinda feeble in that pic, I sense cancer or some illness in him, that is not being made public.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:22 pmThe British army is expected to step up a phased release of Iraqi detainees next week, including members of the Shia Mahdi Army militia, as part of a “reconciliation process” which British forces hope will pave the way for an orderly withdrawal from southern Iraq.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2164713,00.html
September 7th, 2007 at 6:23 pmMr. P (rick) is an idiot parrot for the repukians, pay him no mind.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:25 pmIf Freddie gets elected do we get Hot Trophy Wives that are 30 years younger than us?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:29 pmOh wait I would have to have Repukian Family Values and divorse my wife of 29 years…forget it.
oops spelling sorry – divorce
September 7th, 2007 at 6:29 pmUmmm… actually, you Proglibs think that OBL is either a) an Israeli operative, or b) in cahoots with Bush.
Nice try. Comment by Master P — September 7, 2007
Master Baiter P, you should always put “I think..” before one of your inaccurate projections, keeps you from looking like a looney psychic like that Norm Rogers guy who does the same thing as you.
The fatc is MR P, you DONT know what people think, and it comes off as a psychosis when you constantly say you DO KNOW what people think.
You can in now way prove this remark, and if your practicing to be a lawyer, you should get out of that habit. It makes you judgemental, when you re NOT the judge.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:32 pmHa ha ha ha!
Amanda, please.
You can’t feign some kind of concern about Osama bin Laden when Think Progress’ first item on his new video is because of something Fred Thompson said about it.
At least Fred Thompson actually responded to the new video – Think Progress and the other big liberal blogs have simply ignored it. Why? Well it’s obvious: Osama bin Laden is reading off your own cue cards.
Whether bin Laden actually means what he says is another thing (I doubt it), but when will the liberal hordes admit that Osama bin Laden is using YOUR talking points? When will you admit that the transcript of Osama bin Laden’s video could easily have been almost entirely lifted off the pages of Think Progress or DailyKos?
No, instead you feign outrage over Thompson stating that Osama bin Laden is mostly a symbol. Which he is – he is spending so much time hiding out that he no longer has real operational control over his organization. If we kill him, al Qaeda will still be there. Terrorism will still go on. I’m pretty damn sure Think Progress has stated this indisputable fact earlier.
So when Fred Thompson says the same thing, you feign outrage to mask the fact that you are too damn cowardly to admit the haunting reality of Osama bin Laden stealing your lines.
Absolutely despicable.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:32 pm*know
September 7th, 2007 at 6:32 pmGo Freddy, Go!
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Comment by upside00 — September 7, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
spelled wrong… it’s F – R – E – D – D – I - E
September 7th, 2007 at 6:34 pmhttp://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompson6sep06,1,440615.story?ctrack=3&cset=true
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Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Retards have their talking points I see. Last time I checked liberals weren’t for forced conversion of any non-believers. But believe whatever you want. Especially if it helps you sleep at night.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:35 pmAt least Fred Thompson actually responded to the new video. -DreamCrusher
Yes he said it was symbolic, and it is, Osama is only one man, a man that George does not care where he is, so why should you or Fred?
The fact is Osama is not readin off cue cards, I dont have any, once again the Republican mantra is project project project.
Which is no way to view reality, in fact, its a way of dismissing reality.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:36 pmSo, Osama Bush Laden is really just a symbol. Tell us something we don’t already know, you pig-jowled chucklefu*k — like the Wag-the-Dog truth of the matter: that he is nothing more than a straw dog fabrication created by the neocons.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThompson fits right in with the Republican doofuses who are in the running. I saw the debate and I think all Republicans should be ashamed; they have no one.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:37 pmBut then again, that only means they will lie more, run more smear ads against the Dems, and double-talk to their own constituents. They cannot win legitimately with that pack of losers, so look for them to open the heavy-duty dirty tricks bag.
I’d start laughing so hard I’d crack a rib, but this is just too F-in’ nutty for words. CAN’T wait to hear the spin the trolls tyr to put on this pice of idiocy!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:39 pmHummm this sounds like what bush would say or did say. Do you think rove is working behind the scene now. This could be fun to watch.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:41 pmWm
Ah, WAH, Mizz PEE was BANNED and PURGED YET AGAIN!!! What a whiny little partisan hack!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:41 pmAnd this dismissal of reality, by projection, is what dreamcrusher is all about. Notice the moniker is dreams, not reality crusher, but dreamcrusher.
How do you crush a dream, by projecting a false reality. Note the number of times, Mr P, dreamcrusher, and the pundits project their imagination, their false reality on others, then quite pyschologically unreal, truly believe the false reality they TRY to impose,
Truth is subjective, but only to an indivudual that cannot comprehend reality and sinks into its own false reality.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:42 pmMassive P, as a pseudo male doesn’t it bother your masculinity and sense of honor that Bush is completely impotent and incompetent to get OBL?
Comment by Heterodoxy — September 7, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Hey, with that spankin’ new pair of Neuticles swingin’ free ‘n easy between his legs, Mr P feels like a new man, er, dog, er, boy… you get the idea.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:42 pmIf some democrat had said Osama was mearly a “symbol,” how long would it have been before the media was reporting republican charges that he was suffering from “pre-9/11 thinking?”
September 7th, 2007 at 6:43 pmDream Crusher – what’s the matter repukian parrot, are you Dreams Being Crushed? You are dreaming for sure, idiot.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:45 pmNixon was right about Fred Thompson: the man is a dumb as a post. Ambitious. But dumb.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:46 pmKrazny,
Oh good grief, be a little bit more dishonest, would ya? You pull out perhaps the only thing Osama bin Laden said that can’t be found on Think Progress or DailyKos, and pretend that what I said was false.
Let me remind you that I said, “…the transcript of Osama bin Laden’s video could easily have been almost entirely lifted off the pages of Think Progress or DailyKos…”
Give me a break, coward. Virtually everything Osama bin Laden said has been said at Think Progress or DailyKos the past 6 years. He is copying your talking points. He is copying your arguments. He is copying your message.
At least try to spin it and say that he is doing it to drive a wedge between Americans (which might very well be the case). But can you at least just be honest and acknowledge that, yes, the message bin Laden is using comes directly from the liberal anti-war Left?
I mean, attacking capitalism? Straight out of the Left’s handbook. Attacking the Dems who won’t get the US out of Iraq? DailyKos just had a post on that yesterday.
By staying silent about it, DailyKos, Think Progress, and the rest of the Left are making fools of themselves.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:47 pmIf some democrat had said Osama was mearly a “symbol,†how long would it have been before the media was reporting republican charges that he was suffering from “pre-9/11 thinking?â€
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 7, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
But, But ……Clinton!!!!!
Actually, the Repugs were against OBL before they were for him.
It gets SOOO confusing watching these massive flip-flos the Repugs have performed. Like freshly-caught carp thrown on a hot rock.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:47 pmI wonder what the wingtards like Mr. P think of Ron Paul garnering more popularity then any of the other candidates?
September 7th, 2007 at 6:48 pmAh, WAH, Mizz PEE was BANNED and PURGED YET AGAIN!!! What a whiny little partisan hack!
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 7, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
I keep warning him about that OD’ing on Cheetos and Mountain Dew-laced meth, but will he listen …. NOOOOOO!!
Such a sad life he must lead in N. Virginia!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI’d start laughing so hard I’d crack a rib, but this is just too F-in’ nutty for words. CAN’T wait to hear the spin the trolls tyr to put on this pice of idiocy!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 7, 2007
I bet the spin can’t beat this one: The reason Petraeus won’t actually be delivering a written report? Too much paperwork involved. (hat tip: Dean-o).
September 7th, 2007 at 6:50 pmOh look I can bold words in my post too, just like the self styled dreamcrusher. God you people are slow. Osama Doesn’t want us to go anywhere. He likes us in Iraq where they can kill our soldiers and bleed our treasury. As long as Bush and the idiots like you want us to stay there, then he wins. He loses if we leave Iraq, and actually track him and his cohorts down.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:50 pmSorry, can’t logically bleat, squeal and screech about the danger from al-Qaeda while yawning off bin Laden at the same time, but logic obviously didn’t dissuade Thompson from venting his daffiness
And maybe Thompson should also note that by stupidly invading and occupyig Iraq, W meekly surrendered to bin Laden, the Taliban and al-Qaeda, the inevitable outcome of cutting and running from finishing off those entities in Afghanistan to march into Iraq
And all so W could show up his own father by doing something Bush Sr obviously wasn’t idiotic enough to try, invade & occupy Iraq
And now, bin Laden, the Taliban and al-Qaeda have not only regrouped on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border, they’ve also retaken formerly NATO held territory since the US invasion of Iraq
Consider also that Pakistan has highly placed officials in its military and intelligence services very sympathetic to bin Laden, the Taliban and al-Qaeda
And Pakistan-unlike Iran-has an actual nuclear arsenal, and recently tested a nuclear-payload capable missile
And Fred, symbolism aside, bin Laden also has an enormous bankroll, and can undoubtedly get his hands on multiple amounts of his own fortune
bin Laden, al-Qaeda & the Taliban holed up in Pakistan
Pakistan military and intel services have highly ranked sympathizers for UbL, aQ, & Taliban
UbL has huge bankroll
Pakistan has nuclear arsenal
Fred Thompson, have enough dots been connected for you yet?
Maybe someday it’ll be obvious how going into Iraq avenged ANY of the Sept 11 victims, or taught bin Laden a real lesson, but I sure as Hell don’t see that explanation now
September 7th, 2007 at 6:54 pmDreamCrusher (asswipe) you can find all the words he used in newspapers and the dictionary for that matter, or on red state sites, fool.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:54 pmlook, you don’t beg a guy like that to run if you care about what he says. you beg him because you’ve got a conga line ready to line up and say “WOW, HE SURE LOOKS PREZZ-AH-DENCHAL!!!!”
yeah, he’s dumb as a bag of doorknobs. been there, done that. Let’s face it, they could run a box of dirt at this point. You know the only way that quote could hurt Thompson is if he were a Democrat.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:55 pmPresident-Elect Thompson is 100% correct!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:56 pmPresident-Elect Thompson is 100% correct!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 6:57 pmI mean, attacking capitalism? Straight out of the Left’s handbook. Attacking the Dems who won’t get the US out of Iraq? DailyKos just had a post on that yesterday. -Dreamcrusher
Well according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
The point you are missing is that marxist capitalism leads to revolutions and disparity. Free Markets, as the sub prime collapse show, are myths, what the left is saying is that bottom line profits outsource jobs to forein and in this case, communist labor, hardly a patriotic thing to do.
American Corporations that outsource are not for the working American at all. The fact is the sub=prime mess is not because people didnt want to pay back the loans, its that they couldnt pay them back because the mythical free market capitalism is choking the Americans. Even the Walmart CEO says American dont have any money to spend.
September 7th, 2007 at 6:58 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
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Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Link, or it’s a lie!
Your choice!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI mean, attacking capitalism? Straight out of the Left’s handbook. Attacking the Dems who won’t get the US out of Iraq? DailyKos just had a post on that yesterday. -DC
Mythical free market capitalism will choke itself and America to death and give rise to communist China. It will also result in something like communism and it will not be the fault of the working American, but avarice.
Moderation is the key to continuuing our democratic republic growth.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:01 pmIf the US is all about the mythical “free market” why is the government bailing out company after company. They can pass or fail based on their performance.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:03 pmLink, or it’s a lie!
Your choice!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007
Mr P I read the post by Trajan, under the corruption arrests, this morning, if you dont read your own blog thats not my problem,saying that leftists are silver spoon fake frauds.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:04 pmAnd yes its a choice, a choice you made to ignore a post on your blog.
More foolishness and vidio’s brought out in time for primarie’s by the reich…Time and again we have seen this, bull shit bush and old or new made up BenLaden tape’s to scare the sheep..We already know BenLaden and bull shit are buddies just like the Saudi prince…jesus hippie christ what we need to do is remove the terrorist in our own administration and pay no mind to all the clone rep’s they have running..Bush and BenLaden both want this war to continue for the same reason, get the oil and kill off tribes of people in their way, here and over there…Ben lauden is probably buried at the Crawford Ranch..
September 7th, 2007 at 7:04 pmYes “dreamcrusher,” it’s “Absolutely despicable.” that people expect the president to make good on his promise to the American people to catch the perpetrator of our worst terrorist attack. Simply despicable!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Link, or it’s a lie!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:06 pmYour choice!
The Republican presidential field:
2 belligerent old men
1 slick operator
1 contrarian
5 total wackos
All they get asked about is
1. Iraq,
2. Torture (which always turns into a contest over whose is biggest)
3. gay marriage (see #2 above)
Democrats are expected to have policies and programs on Iraq, health care, education, energy, fiscal policy and global warming.
And they do!
Makes it an easy choice for anyone with a brain.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:06 pmDreamcrushers: “I mean, attacking capitalism? Straight out of the Left’s handbook.”
I haven’t seen anyone on the left with any influence whatsoever attacking capitalism. Certainly none of our candidates do this. Now, some of them attack the excess political power and influence of corporations, but that’s a completely different thing and a distinction that stupid a-holes like you just don’t recognize.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:09 pmWhy is Fred carrying Karl Rove around with him?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Just as I thought, you’ve got nothing!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:10 pmhttp://djkonservo.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/the-democrat-party-of-corruption/#comments
# Comment by Trajan on September 7, 2007 9:04 am
Most Leftists are …blah blah blah.
Most are born with silverspoons in their mouths…blah blah blah
I gave the link and Mr P lies, again!
Mr P I have you beat 8 ways to sunday. When are you gonna learn?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:11 pmDreamcrusher: “I mean, attacking capitalism? Straight out of the Left’s handbook.â€
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Yup.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:11 pmMr. P: “Link, or it’s a lie!
Your choice!”
Go to hell. You don’t call the shots around here, dumbass. I’ve provided about 50 links to you over the months and you always pretend not to notice, so cram it.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:11 pmBTW Mr P I saved a web page with that comment by your lackey troll, deleting the comment does you no good, nor will your blog gain any popularity by me linking to it.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:12 pmComment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Well according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
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Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “most”!!!
Nice try.
;)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:12 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 7, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
You got that right. He just can’t stand not having any attention. If he doesn’t get any, he goes into a rant. And it is happening earlier and earlier every day.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:13 pmSORRY, LEFTIES!!!!!!!!!!
STALINISM LOSES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:14 pmPray tell, Mr P, and Dreamcrusher.[Both P] what is the name of this imaginary handbook if you know so much about it?
Link Or Lie.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:14 pmAttacking capitalism? You mean like this:
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. â€
–Thomas Jefferson
September 7th, 2007 at 7:14 pmI give you props for being willing to dip into Mr. P’s insanity. Will I personally find it humorus, I don’t usually take the time to read it. Besides I thought all dems were poor people leaving off the public dole?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:14 pmSORRY, LEFTIES!!!!!!!!!!
STALINISM LOSES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Says the purveyor of Nazism…
September 7th, 2007 at 7:14 pmSoo the religious nuts in the ME wants us to throw away seperation of church and state for Islam… and the religious nuts over here want us to throw away seperation of church and state for Christianity….
Anyone ever consider we need to put religion itself in its place?
Yes yes capitalism has let a bunch of greedy asses do bad things in the name of America… that doesnt prove your mythical man in the sky is real… it only proves that the laws of man in the U.S. Constitution must be enforced …. forcefully… so that whether you are from the ME or America …whether you be religious or only worship the $$$ …. one thing never is allowed to be violated…
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.
The GOP == FAKES
The DNC == FAKES
Liars and tricksters.
The only truth teller I see at all is Ron Paul.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pmComment by Mr P — September 7, 2007
Sorry, Mr P, your blog says leftists born with silver spoons [Capitalism]!
Thanks for playing, loser.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pmLink, or it’s a lie!
Your choice!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Since you never post links, then that means you LIE. Your choice!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pmComment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Well according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
September 7th, 2007 at 7:16 pmWrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Same difference, Nice try. dipsh!t!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:16 pmThe only truth teller I see at all is Ron Paul.
Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 7, 2007
Thats why FOX news attacks, one of their own. Truth is a bad word at FOX
September 7th, 2007 at 7:16 pmJust as I thought, you’ve got nothing!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
But that’s the point PeeStain, you DON’T THINK, because you GOT NOTHING!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:17 pm“Most lefties are born with silver spoons in their mouths” !!!!!?????
This from a couple of a-holes who just luuuuuve a guy who was is families 17th legacy admittance at Yale, a string of legacies going back to the 1840’s. Get frickin serious!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:17 pmSame difference, Nice try. dipsh!t!
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 7, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
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Not at all, you pathetic IslamoStalinist.
“All” has a distinct meaning which is certainly not the same as “most.”
You Lose!
Nice try.
;)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:17 pmPresident-Elect Thompson is 100% correct!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
PeeStain is now a TIME TRAVELER or a PAY-PER-VIEW PSYCHIC!!! Either way, the SLEAZE NEVER CHANGES!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThe only truth teller I see at all is Ron Paul.
Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 7, 2007
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Oh… Gerald, umm…. I hate to break it to ya’, but… well…
RON PAUL AIN’T SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You lose again!!!
Nice try.
;)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:18 pmWrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
So? It still disproves your ALL Leftist stalinist lemming group think stupidity. By one of your own trolls no less.
Thats gotta hurt.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:18 pmGeraldGibson: “The only truth teller I see at all is Ron Paul.”
Bull. If Ron Paul told the truth about his philosophy of government and what we should do with our government, very few people would support him.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:18 pmbin-Laden is a symbol for the GOP. And he’s worth more to them at large as a threatening boogeyman who can “hit us again” than he would be as a powerless inmate sitting in a cell awaiting trial. And that’s precisely why they haven’t tried to apprehend him. It’s as simple as that.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:18 pmOh… Gerald, umm…. I hate to break it to ya’, but… well…
RON PAUL AIN’T SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You lose again!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Says the PEE STAIN that AIN’T SHIT and is too STUPID to KNOW IT!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:19 pmOh, I forget PeeStain – :)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:19 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
September 7th, 2007 at 7:19 pmMrP:Oh… Gerald, umm…. I hate to break it to ya’, but… well…
RON PAUL AIN’T SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Well, he did come in first in the latest New Hampshire post debate poll, dumbass. Try to keep up.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:20 pmWrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
So? It still disproves your ALL Leftist stalinist lemming group think stupidity. By one of your own trolls no less.
Thats gotta hurt.
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Oh, these f*ckers always contradict themselves! Mr. PeeStain was attacking Clinton yesterday for not killing Osama, now he says he’s NOT IMPORTANT! Their memory is as bad as their judgement! He won’t remember he stained his shorts tomorrow either…
September 7th, 2007 at 7:21 pmAh pee stain is repeating himself…
September 7th, 2007 at 7:21 pmWrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
So? It still disproves your…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
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No, it only pertains to the topic of which we were speaking. You made a false claim.
Nice try.
;)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmIf OBL is irrelevant, and nobody cares about him, why does the media give him so much attention?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmMr. Pee,
So it’s a ferret then?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmAnyone realize that responding helps P hijack the thread? Apparently not.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmComment by Mr P — September 7, 2007
Ron Paul is a Libertarian and a Republican, this only proves the depth of your unrealistic drabbling. You claim to be libertarian and now your dissing it and a Republican.
Your one mixed up salad, tosser.
And so ends the wacky world of Mr P, done in by his own hypocratical words and hatred for his own libertarian republican party.
Thanks for playing Mr P. Nice, reall rather pathetic, try.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmTroll mission accomplished!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:23 pmExcuse me for even talking, Mr. President. I recently became hooked on tar.
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 7, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
No. You are not excused! You are a disgrace!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:23 pmBull. If Ron Paul told the truth about his philosophy of government and what we should do with our government, very few people would support him.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
He makes it VERY clear. If you dont understand that then you have not watched his videos and read his words for yourself.
The things he wants to do is SOLVE the problems. Not stick to some party line. Some things can be solved via Federal Government… many things can be solved equally well in the private sector when following rules… Ron Paul leans toward solving problems FIRST via the private sector for a VERY good reason… power in the hands of the Federal government ends up be sold off to the highest bidder by Congress… We have all seen this to a SICKENING degree…
The Democrats are lieing to our faces and have continued to do so for decades … republicans just the same… the Constitution is being undermined by those that abuse it and those that refuse to defend it.
Ron Paul defends it in the face of being BOOED… watch his speech on the floor of the house BEFORE the Iraq invasion… how many democrats had the balls to call out Bush like that?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:24 pmYou claim to be libertarian…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
No I didn’t!
Nice try.
;)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:25 pmvery few people would support him.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
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Very few people do support him!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:25 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
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Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
September 7th, 2007 at 7:26 pmWhich he (Bin Laden) is – he is spending so much time hiding out that he no longer has real operational control over his organization.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
LOL And you know this because……..? Seems like you have to have some pretty damn good inside contacts to know this. Does the military know you know this? Or is this one those known unkowns that only you know?
LOL And when are those times that Bin Laden isn’t hiding out? Are these the only times he control’s his organization?
Your living in a dream alright.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:26 pm“more symbolism than substance”? Sounds like Freddie is talking about himself. He’s a washed up actor who once was a very crooked lobbyist with a plastic armpiece wifey-poo. He’s come to symbolize the Elder Movement. Bowel movement, that is.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:27 pmAnyone realize that responding helps P hijack the thread? Apparently not.
Comment by Lark
Not he did not hijack this thread, he knew what thompson said was truth, and his attempt to derail the thread only shows his anger at Fred, otherwise he would be on topic and backing Freds words.
Now, Fred said Osama was symbolic, and thats true, he is a martyr, and we should not be making Osama a symbol as it only attratcs more extremists. I think the Media should NOT show any clips of Osama, apparently Fred agrees with this Democrat.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:28 pmPresident-Elect Fred Thompson is 100% correct!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:28 pmPack your bags and move your computers, lefties. Eventually, the domain of http://www.Thinkprogress.org is bound to sell to Mr. P and the Dean for $2.50.
You don’t have to thank us, we’re only helping to contain terrorist-aiding sources.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
That explains your affiliation with Mr. PeeStain, and his effort to help Osama stay free and weaken American troops, economy and resolve. You’re just another GOP based Terrorist sympathizer…
September 7th, 2007 at 7:28 pmHow many of you on here are under 15 years old? All of the trolls and most of the responders seem to be… pee stain? I dont even want to ask where that is coming from… You all continue to have childish “debates” while many of us on the left and right and getting sick of it… and giving someone ANYONE who tells the truth with a straight face and without fear a chance… because all other attempts at influencing the GOP and the DNC have failed…. for decades.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:29 pmPresident-Elect Fred Thompson is 100% correct!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
BAHAHA,, Pee Stain needs another dose of his Time Traveling Meds!!! Or was that what his trailer trash mama calls ICE!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:29 pmNot he did not hijack this thread, he knew what thompson said was truth, and his attempt to derail the thread only shows his anger at Fred, otherwise he would be on topic and backing Freds words.
..
Comment by Osama Been Forgotten — September 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
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Hey, idiot!
I’ve already said that I backed Thompson’s words several times!
Nice try.
;)
September 7th, 2007 at 7:29 pmNo. You are not excused! You are a disgrace!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Ah, NAMEJACKING, Mr. Pee Stain, figures!! Just the sort of Juvenile retarded acts we’ve come to expect from you and your fellow CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS terrorists.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:30 pmComment by Osama Been Forgotten — September 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Learn to read, idiot!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Hey, idiot!
I’ve already said that I backed Thompson’s words several times!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Yet they CONTRADICT Your previous words used to Criticize Clinton! PANSY LOSER!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
September 7th, 2007 at 7:32 pm*ZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz*
Comment by Osama Been Forgotten — September 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Learn to read, idiot!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Learn to read, idiot!
President-Elect Thompson is 100% correct!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
Ah the IRONY coming from you!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:33 pmPresident-elect Thompson understand prospective operability of Al-Qaeda members inside the U.S., all while lefties consider itâ€diversity†just to be done with it.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
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Exactly! The far-Left, kook-fringe, TP moonbats are in store for suprise come ‘09 when Thompson is sworn in!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:34 pmExactly! The far-Left, kook-fringe, TP moonbats are in store for suprise come ‘09 when Thompson is sworn in!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
That WOULD be a surprise!!! Considering what a LIGHTWEIGHT, NIXON SPY PIECE OF SH!T he is!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by Master P — September 7, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
*ZzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzZzzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZzzzzzz*
What was it that WC Fields said:
“If at first you don’t succeed, try again. Then quit. There’s no use being a damn fool about it.”
September 7th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
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September 7th, 2007 at 7:36 pmComment by Osama Been Forgotten — September 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Learn to read, idiot!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
Did everyone hear nothing?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:37 pmAh, Wah, Mr. PeeStain is Gonna Cwy!!! Repeat, Repeat, the same statement that showed he was a piece of sh!t. COme on Mr. Pee, Dance for me!! Keep posting the stupid sh!t over and over like the lame loser you KNOW YOU ARE!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:38 pmCT,
Did you get my last email?
September 7th, 2007 at 7:38 pmDid everyone hear nothing?
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Yeah, I heard a PEE STAIN forming from a GOP COWARD wetting his pants!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
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Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
September 7th, 2007 at 7:39 pmThat’s right Pee Stain, DANCE FOR ME!!! REPEAT YOUR STUPIDITY NONSTOP!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:40 pmDid you know that felons are smarter than liberals? That means they’re capable of making a more decision at the polls than, let’s say, you or TripSurrender Monkey.
Figures.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Oh, now Scooter is NOT smarter than a liberal, he’s just more CRIMINAL…
September 7th, 2007 at 7:40 pmOh.
I’ll check my email, Mr. P.
Comment by Dean CT — September 7, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
BAHAHA, yeah, like there’s TWO of you Pee Stain!! NOT!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:42 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
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September 7th, 2007 at 7:42 pmComment by Osama Been Forgotten — September 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Learn to read, idiot!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
There you go Mr. PEee, Dance, Dance, you little puppet!!! It’s all you know how to do anyway, dance, dance!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Ironically you dont believe that.
Mr Penile, Trajan said most, thats not the point, you said ALL lefties are stalinists. Now your agreeing with Trajans that most are not.
Your such a simpleton, you dont see how I just framed you as a liar.
You want America to see Osam as some all powerful entity, when his is just one man, the Republicans constantly reinforce that, just as you do.
Fred is correct the GOP and you ARE not, besides Nixon said Fred was Dumb as Hell. What more need I say when a Republican said it first.
Good Day Mr Penile.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:44 pmyou said ALL lefties are stalinists
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
No, I didn’t.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:46 pmyou said ALL lefties are stalinists
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
No, I didn’t.
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Sure you did, by applying a ‘generic’ term, dumbass. You didn’t Lurn English very well, did you trailer trash? No wonder you hate the ELITE liberals!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:47 pmPretty Pig!!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:48 pmSORRY, LEFTIES!!!!!!!!!!
STALINISM LOSES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
See this IMPLIES that LEFTIES inherently are STALINISTS, and associates ALL LEFTIES with it. DUMBASS!
September 7th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI saw this Thompson nobody in an interview when I was in the US.
The crowd was cheering when he said that it was on the table the possibility to bomb Iran. Even he was careful enough to not mention what the bunch of idiots in the crowd really wanted, more death.
It was a Borat moment, just like when this troll, that we have here and that everybody seems to mind about what he/she thinks, posts.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:49 pmSee this IMPLIES that LEFTIES inherently are STALINISTS, and associates ALL LEFTIES with it. DUMBASS!
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 7, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
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No, it doesn’t. If I meant to make the implication I would not have used to different terms.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:50 pmToo much attention for this ignorant troll…IMO.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:50 pmErratum: the last line of my last post should read -
“two different terms.”
September 7th, 2007 at 7:50 pmAh, but Osama is too real. And he has crippled American Democracy, the former proud symbol to the world.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:51 pmGeorge’s worldy accomplishments may be less than the man in the cave.
Gerald Gibson: “Some things can be solved via Federal Government… many things can be solved equally well in the private sector when following rules…”
But, Gerald, doesn’t that statement inadvertently describe one of the fatal flaws of libertarian philosophy? Corporations have proven over an over that in the absence of government regulation, they will NOT follow “rules.” The libertarian wants no regulation of capitalism and trusts “the market” to sort things out. But, in the absence of regulation, big capitalism always drifts towards monopoly and manipulates markets.
The absence of government may or may not bring about more individual freedom; it depends on the particular issue — but it ALWAYS results in more corporate power. You can count on that. That’s why libertarians are inadvertently doing the political business of large corporate interests.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:52 pmNo, it doesn’t. If I meant to make the implication I would not have used to different terms.
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Like I said, learn english, you intentionally conflated two items as though they were the same. Liar.
The IRONY of you posting Nazi values while attacking stalinism isn’t lost on those of us who STUDIED history. It’s a replay of Hitler, but you’re probably too retarded to know you’re a baby hitler…
September 7th, 2007 at 7:53 pmWell according to mister p’s blog leftists are all born with silver spoons in their mouths, that means they are capitalist.
…
Comment by Snake Plisken — September 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
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Wrong again, Lefty!!! Trajan said “mostâ€!!!
Nice try.
;)
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
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September 7th, 2007 at 7:54 pmFindAdmin findAdmin = new FindAdmin();
If you look closely at what I said I was careful to include the words “with rules” … as does Ron Paul. He makes no claims (like the neocons do) that unfettered capitalism is good. He simply makes the case that if the Constitution is FAIRLY and EVENLY enforced… the capitalism would be checked by the government enforcing the Constitution.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:56 pmTrajan said most Mr P, you did not.
SORRY, LEFTIES!!!!!!!!!! STALINISM LOSES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You see, Mr P, I have you beat, admit it.
You NOW say MOST ‘lefties’ are NOT stalinists. Yet above you did NOT say Sorry SOME lefties!!!!!!!
IE: You inferred all lefties were Stalinist.
Take your soup can and kick it down the street Mr Penile. Either way. I debunked your words with your own blog.
Such an easy victory. I laugh at you.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:56 pmmichaelisRetarded: For one to be a baby Hitler, at least one must have charm, conviction, determination and be a military genius.
Please, lets have more sense when it comes to the description of our little trolls around here.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:58 pmThe other thing about libertarian philosophy is that from the Founders perspective, they would have considered it to be profoundly unamerican. Their vision was civil government which, by its nature, gave power to a thriving middle class. Their vision was a robust “commons” which would help provide liberty and happiness to citizens. “We the people,” not Me the individual. “to promote the common welfare,” not to provide protection for my property rights.
September 7th, 2007 at 7:59 pmGerald: “He simply makes the case that if the Constitution is FAIRLY and EVENLY enforced… the capitalism would be checked by the government enforcing the Constitution.”
Yes, he commits the same error of reasoning all doctrinaire libertarians do – he confuses a political system with an economic system. The constitution describes a political system. “Capitalism” describes an economic system.
You can’t have an absence of government regulation of capitalism and “rules” at the same time. Their mutually exclusive.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:02 pmCT,
Did you get my last email?
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
GET A ROOM.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Protection of the indivdual (property and liberties) IS protection of WE the People. We are not a collective. We are a group of individuals with unalienable rights that belong to us personally not to some group that we may belong to. The Founding Fathers did NOT make any claims that individuals property should be subject to the government in order to maintain the welfair of the masses. They DID make it clear that if the government was used to enforce the Constitution then the individuals in a good society would take care of each other…
You and I have NEVER in our lives experienced this however. The corruption started long before we were born. Enforce what the founding fathers were actually after… limits on the power of the government and the enforcement of each individuals rights… and the good people among us will help those around us… and the opposite of this will result in what we have today… everyman for himself because the game has been rigged!
September 7th, 2007 at 8:05 pmSorry, yall. I’m just rather cranky this evening, had several employees quit due to my abusive style.
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Comment by shayne — September 7, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
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September 7th, 2007 at 8:06 pmSorry, yall. I’m just rather cranky this evening, had several employees quit due to my abusive style.
Emailing somebody = needing to get a room.
I love my logic. Therefore, I will get a room with Zooey and DRxJ.
Comment by shayne — September 7, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Thanks for the namejacking chumps. I just love being able to get you thrown out of here. You are so easy.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:08 pmYou can’t have an absence of government regulation of capitalism and “rules†at the same time. Their mutually exclusive.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
The “rules” are the Constitution…. if that is not violated then we are all ok.. some of us will be poor… some will be rich… that is FREEDOM… however in a society that has had its government (politics) corrupted like we have then you see far fewer examples of the people helping each other out with the economic side of life.
Get rid of the corruption (democratic and republican) and that means for the business owners and the workers EQUALLY and then the embalance works itself out. If someone gets so rich that they think they can violate the Constitution THEN the Federal government comes down on them like a sledge hammer… instead today they just get paid off…
September 7th, 2007 at 8:08 pmNice site you have Pissant. The hogs head is indicative of your sickness. Nice of you to let everybody know how twisted you are.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:09 pmCool, Dean!
I’ll hear from you soon!
September 7th, 2007 at 8:10 pmComment by shayne — September 7, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Thanks!!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 8:10 pmgee, if somehow bin laden were magically caught or verified dead tomorrow, would the bushliar-criminal regime, old hack has-been thompson, the coulter-geist, or any of the other cult of republicanism insane zealots yawn and say it doesn’t matter because bin laden was “irrelevant”… or would it be 24/7 nonstop hooahhing media blitz about the great, great, GREAT victory of the wah on terra masterminded by that wondrously prancing idiot boy-king chimperor george the one and only? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, that’s a tuffy.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:10 pm.
The hogs head is indicative of your sickness. Nice of you to let everybody know how twisted you are.
Comment by shayne — September 7, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
What?
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You’re not… Muslim… are you?
September 7th, 2007 at 8:11 pmOne more thing about libertarianism in general…
We have not tried it…
We have let the democrats get their way and we got Vietnam and Korea… we let the republicans get their way and we got the rape of the south and central Americas and the middle east…
With them both are in debt up to our eyeballs… We are not even sure what our money is based on anymore… Secret government and secret hedge funds….
I have tried doing things the old Republican & Democratic way but my votes were a waste and things are getting worse and worse….
CHANGE COARSE… Let a Truth Telling “Libertarian” get his hands on the power… can he actually make things worse by making us own up to reality and truth as a base for our actions?
September 7th, 2007 at 8:16 pmOsama is one piece of work isnt he?
He has the politics of a lefty and the religious nuttery of the rightwingers…
September 7th, 2007 at 8:20 pmGerald: “Protection of the indivdual (property and liberties) IS protection of WE the People.”
No, it’s protection for property owners. The founders recognized that people without property also had rights.
Gerald: “We are not a collective. We are a group of individuals with unalienable rights that belong to us personally not to some group that we may belong to.”
We are individuals with little or no political power. We come together as a collective to gain political power through our representatives. The community makes the rules, not the individual.
Gerald: “You and I have NEVER in our lives experienced this however.”
No, a number of times, our society has experienced periods of little or no regulation of capitalism and the result has always been a disaster for the vast majority of our people.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:25 pmRet. Col. Jack Ripper and Gerald Gibson, good discussion. Please continue as I find it very interesting.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:32 pmIf OBL is a symbol, he’s a symbol of a failed U.S. foreign policy that dates back decades. Unfortunately no one on the right or left seems to understand that.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:43 pmThompson’s ANOTHER IRRELEVANT al Cracker COWARD!
September 7th, 2007 at 8:45 pmMichael Scheuer being interviewed on CNN — Just said. “If President Clinton had had any courage, Osama Bin Laden would be long dead by now.”
In case anyone here does not know who Michael Scheuer is:
Michael Scheuer served in the CIA for 22 years before resigning in 2004. He served as the Chief of the bin Laden Unit at the Counterterrorist Center from 1996 to 1999. He is the once anonymous author of Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror and Through Our Enemies’ Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:46 pm“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden.
“It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
—George Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001
September 7th, 2007 at 8:52 pmI don’t think lack of courage is why George and Dick let him slip away from Tora Bora… unless they’re really that afraid of King Saud…
September 7th, 2007 at 8:52 pmbut there isn’t any hard evidence to support the claim that bin lade “masterminded the 9/11 attacks”
September 7th, 2007 at 8:55 pmCapitalism is like Fire….essential but dangerous when left unregulated. Bush and the Republicans like the notion of “unfettered capitalism”….and have created it in the laboratory of Iraqi Private Contractors. The results….72 million spent on a police training facility with sewage dripping from the light fixtures, empty trucks driving around Iraq to collect more dollars/mile….bundles of cash disappearing…and NO CONSEQUENCES for those guilty of fraud, theft, and incompetence.
September 7th, 2007 at 8:58 pmMore symbolism than anything else?
Old Freddie just described the Bush administration.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:19 pmAnd his own campaign.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:19 pmI am sorry but if you believe that the man with the black beard is osama son of laden I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Osama would never be retarded enough to say to Americans embrace Islam – GOP writers who want to scare the base would.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pmFred Thompson Is More Symbolism Than Anything Else.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pmBin Laden and al CIAda are little more than Neocon terra branding.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:28 pmBald Old Fossil/Piglet (R) ‘08 !!!!!!
September 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pmFred Thompson, the rotund character actor wants to be like Ronnie and save the GOP. Umm hmmm. Would have been a little more impressive if he had participated in a few debates, but … I guess a movie actor can be whoever he wants, whenever. Whatever. But I think it’s a waste of money. The GOP is going to be extremely weak for a long time. They earned it. Actors won’t fix it. Not this time.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:42 pm“If President Clinton had had any courage, Osama Bin Laden would be long dead by now.â€
Yawn. If only the Republican congress had let him do anything.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:47 pmHave you moonbats converted to Islam as your leader has commanded in his “video”?
September 7th, 2007 at 9:47 pmWhere in the Constitution does it say the President can not carry out military operations?
September 7th, 2007 at 9:47 pmNice photo.
Which ones Thompson?
September 7th, 2007 at 9:49 pmHow far do the Democrats get politically now that “Weekend at Osama’s” has endorsed them?
September 7th, 2007 at 9:50 pmFrank J, I catch you beating off to my picture one more time, I’ll give you a worse beating than I gave Mr P last time I caught him beating off to my picture. Ask him about it… he STILL can’t sit down w/out tearing up.
Come to think of it, why don’t you 2 find a nice cozy stall in an airport restroom somewhere, get to know each other better, and LEAVE ME ALONE~!
September 7th, 2007 at 9:53 pmFunny though looking at your leader. Wonder where he bought that “Jihad for Men” to dye his beard?
September 7th, 2007 at 9:55 pmI know a perv when I see one, which means I definitely recognize a pair when I come across ‘em, and you two are pervs.
Frank J, Mr P, Stall No 3 is available. Go have yerselves a Good Ole Par-tay!
September 7th, 2007 at 9:57 pmThis tape does remind me of that GI Joe doll the Islamists posted on their website and claimed was a soldier they had kidnapped and the liberal MSM bought it hook line and sinker. This “Osama” looks like something from CSI.
Makes you wonder.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:58 pmI have to agree with Thompson’s assessment. UBL is just a symbol. We have degraded Al Qaida’s ability to wage golbal jihad and pursued UBL to the point where he is not in day to day control of AQ. Don’t buy into what he says in this video. Don’t forget AQ’s target audience is us. They want to shape your opinion on the Global War on Terrorism. Don’t fall for AQ’s message.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:58 pmQ: What do reichwing trolls and OBL have in common?
A:Both get checks drawn on First Neocon Bank signed by Michael Hayden and paid for by black market arms sales.
September 7th, 2007 at 9:59 pmFred will have the Trophy Wife Hunters demographic all wrapped up. You think that will be enough to cinch it for him?
September 7th, 2007 at 10:00 pmThompson is correct about DNC chair Osama Bin Laden.
September 7th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThompson is correct about DNC chair Osama Bin Laden.
Comment by Frank J — September 7, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
If I’m right about that, then I’m right when I call you boys perverts. I had those rumors investigated… the ones about you two working as “fluffers” for the Teletubbies’ TV show, and they turned out to be true. Winkytink specifically said that Frank J was his favorite.
September 7th, 2007 at 10:07 pmbin Laden and Chomsky are good buddies!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Right… just like you and Frank J are “reaaalll gooood buddies”.
BTW, Ringo said he knows all about you two… and he’s pissed…
September 7th, 2007 at 10:11 pmwell known FACT:
OBL is al CIAda’s spokesmodel…. and why does OBL have access to Grecian Formula? ..maybe he could send old friend Shrub some, he’s lookin’ wayy old from all the lying.
September 7th, 2007 at 10:16 pm“It’s like Bin Laden mysteriously taps into every basement-dwelling, Cheetohs-eating, winger troll’s deepest, darkest fears”
http://www.correntewire.com/its_like_bin_laden_mysteriously_taps_into_every_basement_dwelling_cheetohs_eating_winger_trolls_deepest_darkest_fears
September 7th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“President-Elect Thompson is winning the hearts and minds of Democrats and Republicans as he campaigns.”
Yeah, those Gucci loafers really resonated with voters at the Iowa State Fair.
September 7th, 2007 at 10:42 pmI think it’s illuminating that still now, after almost a full day has passed, only one major liberal blog has actually commented on the bin Laden video – Talking Points Memo. Of course Joshua Marshall could not admit or discuss the simple fact that Osama bin Laden was regurgitating what he and all the other liberals have been spewing the last few years.
In fact, Marshall compared bin Laden to a crazy homeless person talking nonsense on the sidewalk. That’s pretty funny considering the fact that Osama bin Laden was just retelling the same talking points that the Left has been bathing in for years. In essence, Marshall is saying that the Left is a crazy incoherent homeless person talking nonsense.
That Think Progress, DailyKos, Atrios, and HuffPo haven’t even written their own commentary on the video, much less actually mention it at all (DailyKos), is all you need to know.
Glenn Greenwald mentioned it in passing along with a lot of other items, where he, like Think Progress, criticizes others for their reaction to the video. He makes no comment on what the video means, about its contents, or the meaning of OBL himself at this current time.
On the one hand, the Left downplays Osama bin Laden, because he reads right off their cue cards all the time, and because they say that he is just a boogey man that the GOP uses to scare voters into submission. On the other hand, the Left continually attacks the President for supposedly abandoning the hunt for bin Laden, even though we still have around as many soldiers in Afghanistan as we did when we invaded in 2001, and attacks Bush for saying he isn’t too concerned with OBL.
The Left proves once again that they do not take this seriously, all they are concerned about is their domestic political prospects, and hypocritically attacking their political enemies about the man they will not talk about because he stole their tongue.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:04 pmhypocritically attacking their political enemies about the man they will not talk about because he stole their tongue.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Eveything you’ve said is projection and conjecture. You’d get laughed out of a court of law.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHJAHAHA… whew, you’re an f-in’ riot.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:13 pmIf OBL is a symbol, he’s a symbol of a failed U.S. foreign policy that dates back decades. Unfortunately no one on the right or left seems to understand that.
Comment by Dave C — September 7, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
I’ve been saying that for a long time.
This is why the trolls call me nasty names.
Meh.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:21 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Unregulated capitalism is not what Ron Paul is offering. I know that is what all the chest thumping republican trolls go on about because they just want a reaction out of people so they say rediculous strawman type arguments.
If the “rules” …the Constitution was ENFORCED… there would be regulation. If a company breaks the rules you nail their ass… all the other companies see this and they quickly change their behavior to mitigate the risk of having the government punish them… THAT does not happen often and the only time you see a company do anything good is when the government comes in and makes a list of all the things they must do… And just like people that get dependant on welfare businesses have become dependant on this idea that the government will tell them how to run their businesses and they will just do that and no more so they dont get in trouble… And so you relate LESS Federal Government with run away capitalism. The government isnt doing its job where it should and is doing too much in stupid intrusive ways…
IF the government stayed out of the peoples BUSINESS and private lives and steped in fairly and sternly when the rules of the Constitution is broken (and as long as our society isnt just a bunch of evil crazies) then we the people will conduct our business according to the Constitution which means that none of us can harm any of the others… and that will result in us interacting with each other differently rather than relying on the government to tell us how. “How” doesnt matter as long as the Constitution isnt violated… With the system working as it is now… the HOW is all about who you can pay off or how many people can you trick into thinking that they are doing a good thing… Which leads to many of the very violations that the people on the left dont like… ALL abuse of power is going to hurt someone and when that happens those someones will go after the power and then they abuse it also… D….R….D….R back and forth … the middle ground is that the D and R doesnt matter all that much outside of politics and occasional times of war… Instead it is being pushed into everything from fundamentalists taking over the DOJ to people using the power of the government to coerce other people to not smoke…
A less intrusive government that weilds its power on the few focused areas that it was limited to by the founding fathers… we can solve our other problems using different methods that divides the power up into small chunks so it can not be sold off by a few in D.C.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:40 pmComment by DreamCrusher
I know your biased mind will find this shocking…
but Osama was reciting liberal political points…
and conservative religious points…
You can tell he got his political points from listening to what the left in America has been saying…
But why is it his religious points sound just like Americas religious right?
Isnt the religious intolerance the part of what Osama said that is the issue with the terrorism? Last I checked we were not at war over better civil rights….
September 7th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFreddy Thompson, you made no sense. The Left has attacked Bush for his comments about not worrying too much about bin Laden, but then now bin Laden apparently has their tongue as they can’t even muster up their own commentary on his newest video.
The Left wants to have it both ways, they want to downplay bin Laden as a GOP boogeyman, while simultaneously attacking Bush for not worrying enough about him. Hell, some on the Left even believe and state that bin Laden is an agent of the CIA or Bush, and is only there to help the GOP. Yet then they attack Bush for not worrying about him, while they claim he’s a phony!
Get your heads on straight, will ya?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:45 pmComment by DreamCrusher
The last seven years have totally discredited anything you might say… you have no right telling anyone to get their head on straight… 7 years of not being able to find your head pretty much removes that right…
September 7th, 2007 at 11:49 pmGerald,
“But why is it his religious points sound just like Americas religious right?”
Ah yes, I remember the Christian pastors calling for the extermination of American democracy to embrace Jesus as our savior and start paying religious tithes instead of taxes. I remember the religious right threatening us with death if we don’t do as they say.
Wait, no I don’t.
“Isnt the religious intolerance the part of what Osama said that is the issue with the terrorism? Last I checked we were not at war over better civil rights…”
Of course it is. Which is why I said that the Left should just come out and say, yes, bin Laden is emulating our narrative, but he’s only doing so to put a wedge between the American people, a charade to dress up his actual message – Islam or die.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:49 pmGerald,
The last seven years have totally discredited anything you might say… you have no right telling anyone to get their head on straight… 7 years of not being able to find your head pretty much removes that right…
Eh, what? Did you just tar me with the alleged sins of whoever is your arch nemesis political foe? Do you know me? I mean, huh? What kind of cheap attempt at deflection was that?
September 7th, 2007 at 11:52 pmbin Laden is emulating our narrative, but he’s only doing so to put a wedge between the American people, a charade to dress up his actual message – Islam or die.
Comment by DreamCrusher
He could just as easily be telling the truth about some things and those certain things happen to be the same truths the left is telling… however he very obviously is going beyond that and repeating a bunch of details off tv and our news…
The left is correct about many of the things they have been saying about the corrupt people in our government CAUSING the problems we have with people in the middle east. Simple logic shows that if it was purely Islam they would kill every non muslim they can get their hands on … that is obviously not happening… so they have picked out America because in their eyes our actions have wronged them… and because their religion is still part of their day to day lives they use religion as their vehicle for firing people up to get revenge for those perceived wrongs…
As far as christianity goes yes indeed it is a danger to our way of life as long as a large enough number of them try to push ideas like “seperation of church and state is just a myth” … sounds just like what Osama said in this most recent video….
Remember the left is not a bunch of religious nuts… the religious nut Osama is copying their words … not the other way around… instead of attacking the left for making valid points maybe you should ask yourself how Osama is manipulating YOU with those words from the left…
September 7th, 2007 at 11:57 pmYou rightwing fools havent a clue as to how close my brother GeorgeBush and I have become in the past few years. Anybody who thinks we have anything but fear of the left is very crazy. The left would ruin us if given a chance; the right has always funded us, armed us, and welcomed us into the dialogue as fellow terrorists. The only way we were able to pull off 9/11 was because we of the right wing stealing the White House for George Bush. had Gore taken his rightful place in office, i would have been forced to call the whole thing off, because he was well aware of where we were and what we were doing. We caught real stroke of luck when the status reports were ignored by the new administration and its token, Condi. And Georgie going on vacation after that PDB was a sure sign from Allah that we were assured victory. You all know the rest of the story.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYet then they attack Bush for not worrying about him, while they claim he’s a phony!
Get your heads on straight, will ya?
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Doesn’t the fact that Bush doesn’t worry about him prove that he’s a phony? if I were president, i’d be after him every day in every way until i caught or killed him. Of course, I’m not a longtime family friend…
September 8th, 2007 at 12:01 amEh, what? Did you just tar me with the alleged sins of whoever is your arch nemesis political foe? Do you know me? I mean, huh? What kind of cheap attempt at deflection was that?
Comment by DreamCrusher
Your own words are the very same tired old rhetoric that points you out as someone that is not thinking but repeating chest thumping anti-left leming talk.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:02 amOf course it is. Which is why I said that the Left should just come out and say, yes, bin Laden is emulating our narrative, but he’s only doing so to put a wedge between the American people, a charade to dress up his actual message – Islam or die.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
So you really and truly don’t know what you’re talking about, is that right? that’s the simplistic, black and white, my country has never done anything wrong message I’m hearing from you.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:04 amGlenn Greenwald mentioned it in passing along with a lot of other items, where he, like Think Progress, criticizes others for their reaction to the video. He makes no comment on what the video means, about its contents, or the meaning of OBL himself at this current time.
On the one hand, the Left downplays Osama bin Laden, because he reads right off their cue cards all the time, and because they say that he is just a boogey man that the GOP uses to scare voters into submission. On the other hand, the Left continually attacks the President for supposedly abandoning the hunt for bin Laden, even though we still have around as many soldiers in Afghanistan as we did when we invaded in 2001, and attacks Bush for saying he isn’t too concerned with OBL.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Ok, I’ll bite. I’ll post more on my extremely influential blog tomorrow when I’ve had time to go over it in depth.
First, I’m not entirely convinced that the person speaking in this video is Usama bin Laden. There’s some debate among Muslim scholars as to whether dyeing of the beard is forbidden or encouraged, and it seems quite illogical that someone as image-conscious and media-savvy as UBL would want his message bogged down by a debate over his appearance.
But let’s just say – for argument’s sake – that it is him, he’s not dead, and he’s voicing some opinions that coincide with opinions held by me and many other liberals.
So what?
It’s possible to agree on some end goals without supporting their tactics. I find the tactic of terrorism – the use of violence to achieve political aims – abhorrent. I think it it is an awful and barbaric practice that should become a relic of history as soon as possible. Whether it’s practiced by Islamic fundamentalists, anti-globalization demonstrators, indigenous separatists, or Israeli settlers, it’s wrong.
Usama bin Laden, at this point, is a cult leader with a small but still dangerous following. Even most jihadis don’t like him much these days. And the fact remains, whether he was connected with 9/11 or not, that he is a wanted criminal for his role in the USS Cole attack and Embassy bombings.
The fact that he says some things about the corporatocracy and American politics I happen to agree with doesn’t change that. He’s still a wanted criminal and he should still be brought to justice.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:08 amGerald,
I agree that there is some wisdom in what the Left has said, and what Osama bin Laden is repeating. That’s not really the issue here. The issue here is that the Left won’t even talk about the video because they’re too cowardly to just admit that bin Laden is copying them. Why the silence? It seems Kos is just as cowardly as the Democrats in the Congress that he attacks for cowering to Bush and the Republicans on Iraq.
Just because Osama bin Laden says something, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Why doesn’t the Left just say that? What’s the hold-up? I mean, if Osama bin Laden says that 2+2 = 4, does that mean it’s wrong because he said it? No, of course not.
“Simple logic shows that if it was purely Islam they would kill every non muslim they can get their hands on … that is obviously not happening… so they have picked out America because in their eyes our actions have wronged them”
Oh, really. So it’s not because America is the most powerful Western nation in the world? It could easily be argued that England and France wronged the Muslim world far more than the US has ever done. Hell, the European colonial powers can be blamed for most of the problems that have beset the Middle East and Africa for centuries. But are they the main target? No. America is the easiest target because it has been the most active recently in foreign policy, and because it’s the largest target for the jihadis to aim at.
“As far as christianity goes yes indeed it is a danger to our way of life as long as a large enough number of them try to push ideas like “seperation of church and state is just a myth†… sounds just like what Osama said in this most recent video….”
… No shades of gray in your world, I guess. Christianity is a danger to our way of life? What kind of tripe is that? The hard-line Christians don’t have any real power in the US. You often hear about law suits to remove religious symbols from public places, but you never hear about law suits to place them there. Atheism is growing in the United States. The Christians’ power in the US has been continually receding.
How on Earth is this anything like what Osama said? Osama wants all of us to convert to Islam or die, and get rid of democracy. How in the wold can you claim that Christians in the US are doing anything similar? You’re just making a fool of yourself with rank hyperbole.
“Remember the left is not a bunch of religious nuts…”
Religious, no, but they are a cult with their own belief system.
“instead of attacking the left for making valid points maybe you should ask yourself how Osama is manipulating YOU with those words from the left…”
Eh, I’m the one telling the Left how to respond to this, precisely because I recognize that Osama is doing all of this to drive a wedge between the American people. Osama bin Laden doesn’t have the capacity to manipulate me at all, but he apparently has the power to silence the entire Left blogosphere – DailyKos still hasn’t mentioned his video.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:10 amOf course it is. Which is why I said that the Left should just come out and say, yes, bin Laden is emulating our narrative, but he’s only doing so to put a wedge between the American people, a charade to dress up his actual message – Islam or die.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 7, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
That’s not his actual message. “Islam or die” is not the message of Islam and never has been. At least as far as Judaism and Christianity are concerned. The “Islam or die” message is a product of Protestant propaganda.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:12 ambin Laden and Chomsky are good buddies!!
Actually, Bush and Bin Laden are the BEST of buddies.
His family FINANCED Bush’s failed oil companies.
And he flew the Bin Ladens out during NO-FLY restrictions after 9/11.
Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA..
September 8th, 2007 at 12:13 amtoasterhead,
Exactly, so why don’t DailyKos and the rest just say what you said? What are they afraid of? Why are they being complete wussies and not even commenting on it as if the biggest news of the day hasn’t even occurred?
That’s all I’m asking. I don’t disagree with a number of things bin Laden said. Even an evil man can speak great truths. In fact, it’s an awesome propaganda tool to speak great truths while you nuzzle in your own diabolical propaganda.
It’s like saying, all men are created equal, now let’s kill all Christians. Everyone agrees with the former, and naive idiots will go on with the latter if they aren’t paying attention. Usually people will listen to someone they think they agree with, and take on other things they say without even thinking about it.
As for speculation about whether or not it’s bin Laden, please. Osama bin Laden has violated tons of Islamic customs and laws, why would he balk at dyeing his beard to look more virile? That’s like saying a picture of bin Laden can’t be him because he’s wearing a gold ring. Or like saying that a pastor can’t possibly be gay because he’s a pastor.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:18 amwho cares about his video? the real question is, why is he still making videos? Y*ou’ve mad a huge issue about OBL’s video and “the Left’s” lack of response. i, for one, haven’t seen it, and don’t consider it necessary to see, since he is a murderous criminal that should have been caught and prosecuted as a first priority after 9/11. this is more of your bullshit deflection away from the issue of the Right’s inability to govern, to follow through, to plan, to do anything except fill their pockets with taxpayer dollars. Your point is pointless, and your raving about kos or anyone else not commenting on a video that really means nothing, may be fake, and is made by the guy that is America’s #1 enemy, according the THE RIGHT, is prrof of your pointlessness.This is so transparently typical of the lack of responsibility that the Right takes for its own failures, and the onlu defense it finds is another straw man, a meaningless video, how scary. Pansies and pantywaists, the cult of the coward, the Right wing. Give it up already. Get the guy, and jail him or kill him. Stop using him as your scary under-the-bed monster.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:18 amThat’s not his actual message. “Islam or die†is not the message of Islam and never has been.
Eh, yes, that is his message. His message is not that of Islam, but of fundamentalist extremist Islam. Although the Koran doesn’t exactly give anyone great confidence that that isn’t the message Mohammed wanted to peddle. Muslims are not allowed to be friends with non-Muslims, lest they be considered non-Muslims themselves.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:21 amComment by DreamCrusher
I dont go to KOS or many of the openly 100% democrat all the time blogs… but if that is what they are doing then it is rediculous… stick with the truth…the whole truth… or else what does that say about everything else you tell me? … I guess fear of being called a cut and runner doesnt only prevail in D.C.?
Why America?
1) America went into Saudi Arabia… THAT is what set off Osama the most.
2) America is the primary reason there is an Israel. All the arabs have held that against us for a long time… and this is probably the #1 tool the Osama has to convince others to join him. America doesnt act fairly and so they exploit that.
3) And now Iraq is helping do the same thing #2 above is doing to us.
4) Overthrow of Iran, being a bad actor in the Iran/Iraq war, CIA working with various governments in ME to torture and various other humiliations and violations…. because of these types of things Osama can simply say, “Dont you feel like dogs?! under the boot of America?…. Are you men or dogs? Do you not believe Allah is on your side?” ….
We have given many arabs and reason to hate us… and then when Osama got all fired up he used that against us. Islam is just the communication tool he and others like Osama use to get their angry fellows to join them in violence.
No messianic dark magic… nothing like that… simple human nature…
Lastly,
Osama said that the seperation of church and state is a violation in our christians duty to God.
Certain christians in this country who HAVE gotten themselves into many places of power for the purpuse of using that power to help make America a more “Godly” nation ALSO say that the seperation of church and state is a violation in Americas duty to God. That mentallity (as explained in detail in the writings of many founding fathers) will take away peoples freedoms just as quickly as will a dictator… and christianity has shown this to be true… though in their defense… they have gotten much less violent over the last 200 years… maybe Seperation of Church and State helped with that…
September 8th, 2007 at 12:25 amronjazz,
You embody the hypocrisy I’m talking about on the Left. Who cares, you say. Exactly. But then Think Progress attacks Fred Thompson for saying that OBL is just symbolic, while they basically say, “Who cares?” themselves by not commenting on the video.
I think its significant that the man who was behind the murder of thousands of Americans has now released a new video after not having done so for three years. There’s ample room just based on that to comment on what this means, and what the significance of that is.
Another example of hypocrisy:
“is made by the guy that is America’s #1 enemy, according the THE RIGHT”
Ah, so he’s only important according to the Right, yet the Democrats constantly harp about how we need to get out of Iraq and go after bin Laden more in Afghanistan. I remember John Kerry saying we took our eye off the ball by going to Iraq. And I remember Think Progress and the rest agreeing with these sentiments. But then you, and they, simultaneously pretend that OBL doesn’t really matter that much anyway.
So I ask, again, which is it?
Is OBL important enough that we need to get out of Iraq to put resources into finding him and getting him? Or is he just a GOP boogeyman?
“Get the guy, and jail him or kill him. Stop using him as your scary under-the-bed monster.”
Eh, OBL is the one who put out the video, not the GOP. And here you want us to get him, but also say he’s just a boogeyman.
You’ve got your logic going in circles, which is exactly what I’m pointing out.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:27 amYou’ve got your logic going in circles, which is exactly what I’m pointing out.
Comment by DreamCrusher
I think what he is saying is that the GOP keeps using Osama and 911 to get things they want that have nothing to do with Osama and 911 like a war in Iraq and too much power over the government even to the point of violating the Constitution.
Why not just kill Osama and stop using him as a way to get your way here in America. Seemed pretty clear to me… seems you are intent on twisting peoples words. What next strawman arguments?
September 8th, 2007 at 12:35 amGerald,
1. Saudi Arabia asked us to come protect them. We were there with the blessing of the royal family. Was our presence there really the reason bin Laden got mad at us, or was it because the Saudi royal family hurt his ego by not letting him defend his country from Saddam, as he had helped defend Afghanistan against the USSR? Were we wrong to protect Saudi Arabia from Saddam Hussein?
2. Israel was created by the UN. Although the US is one of the biggest supporters of Israel, most of Europe also does so. It was the French who gave Israel nuclear weapons. You’ll notice that Osama bin Laden speaks relatively little, or not at all, about Israel in the newest video. Why? Are we wrong to help Israel protect itself from countries whom have attacked them numerous times before?
3. Yes, obviously letting democracy get a foothold in the Muslim world is unpopular in Osama bin Laden land. Tell it on a mountain.
4. I don’t think I can remember bin Laden, at least recently, taking up the grievances of Iran. Perhaps mostly because they are Shiites, and not all too enthused about bin Laden’s brand of extremist Islam. Yet as I said, other world powers have messed up the Middle East far more than the US ever did. Yet the US is the main target. Because the US is the largest Western target there is.
As for the creep of the Church into the State, we’ve gotten what, God on our money and in our pledge of allegiance? Wow. Scary. Call me when they start mandating church on Sundays and force us to give money to the pastors. Then we’ll be starting to get an inch of the way to credibly comparing the Christians in the US to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden’s goals.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:35 amGerald,
Terrorists were rounded up in Norway, Germany, and Denmark just recently. These countries have all passed stricter terrorism laws, precisely to deal with the real threat of terrorism. Are all of them also using 911 and OBL to “get what they want”? Or are they acting on a real threat?
Is President Bush using 911 to get the power to get warrantless surveillance, or he is using warrantless surveillance because he doesn’t want another 911? You seem to be switching around the cause and effect because you deem Bush to be evil.
Sure, kill Osama bin Laden, what’s so hard with that? Clinton didn’t manage it under his tenure. Bush hasn’t been able to do it so far either. It’s friggin easy, right? Just unilaterally invade Pakistan and find the guy, right? Oh wait, that’s precisely the type of thing the Left opposes. Hmmm. Hypocrisy again? Ah yes.
If it’s so friggin easy, why doesn’t any of you smart asses go do it?
September 8th, 2007 at 12:40 amEh, OBL is the one who put out the video, not the GOP. And here you want us to get him, but also say he’s just a boogeyman.
You’ve got your logic going in circles, which is exactly what I’m pointing out.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 8, 2007 @ 12:27 am
You’re an ignorant hack withut a logic circuit. You’re still doing the same circular bullshit. Look, chump, you blew it. What’s the significance of the OBL video? It depends. Did Bushco make it? Then its significance is that they want to distract from their current failures, or their future plans to make more war. did OBL make it? then the significance is obvious; the republican administration has failed miserably. No discussion of that is even needed; 70% of Americans are well aware of the massive Bush failures. did some other fake make it? Then it has no significance. it is a Bushco production, in my opinion, and is meangless and a waste of time to even consider it. it’s just another piece of propaganda, no matter who is responsible for it. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and your opinions are worthless and foolish, based on twisted, unthinking obeisance to a corrupt, bankrupt philosophy. Your idiotic “answers” to gerald are nonsensical and ridiculous AT BEST. There is nothing but your opinion behind them, and your opinion is as worthless as that ridiculous video.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:47 amFrom Yahoo:
President Bush said Osama bin Laden’s mention of the Iraq war in his video message is a reminder of al-Qaida’s long-term objectives in Iraq and of the “dangerous world in which we live.”
Well, isnt that convenient?
Hahaha. These clowns are unbelievably predictable.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:50 am1. Saudi Arabia asked us to come protect them.
The people of Saudi Arabia are openly preached to that they will one day invade Israel.. kill the men.. and take their women… The Royals are not the people… Osama wanted to be the big hero and protect Saudi Arabia… the Royals are just as much to blame in Osamas eyes as is America… read the news…
2. Israel was created by the UN.
Helping protect Israel is not the issue… creating Israel in the first place when the arabs let it be known they felt violated by this action that could only have happened if not backed by Truman… also allowing Israel to get away with all kinds of things and we all know what they are or else we should… but then make a big deal of the arabs doing the same type of crap… America should act as an honest broker for BOTH sides then Israel wouldnt be such a big point for Terrorists to use to convince more to join them…
3. Yes, obviously letting democracy get a foothold in the Muslim world is unpopular in Osama bin Laden land. Tell it on a mountain.
Who actually believes this old propaganda any more? Our actions have lead to how many Iraqi familys that have been shattered by dead parents, children, etc? How hard do you think it will be for a terrorist to convince an Iraq that because of his dead mother, father, sister, grandpa, and two of his brothers that he should strap on this belt of explosives and go kill Americans?
4….
It does not matter is Osama personally cares about the Iranians… he convinces people to join him by playing on their perceived grievences WHAT EVER THEY MAY BE towards America… and if the grievences are actually based on real American actions then it makes it much easier for them to fall for Osamas message…
As far as the christianity thing goes… if it gets to the point where they are ordering Sunday church visits then it is too late… did you not read about them pumping in “loyal righties” into the DOJ? The christian religion is on the INSIDE…. Islam is not… if arabs EVER get close to being a real danger to our way of life we will treat them like we did the soviets and really start pointing the nukes… but they simply dont have that power and not even close… These christians think the same way about our way of life as does Osama… and they are in our government… and they are easily manipulated… hell Osama can make them start chanting holy war with one well placed bomb…
September 8th, 2007 at 12:50 amIf it’s so friggin easy, why doesn’t any of you smart asses go do it?
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 8, 2007 @ 12:40 am
You fail to understand the special relationship between GeorgeBush and me. He had us cold, until I instructed him to let us go at Tora Bora. You are a foolish person if you think that we haven’t been given a free pass by my lifelong family friend. Your silly conclusions are those of a simple-minded zealot; you should come join us, we can put you to work. Once.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:51 amIs that the grandchild of Arnold the Pig from Green Acres?
September 8th, 2007 at 12:55 amTaking actions against terrorists is not the same thing as having your own agenda and using terrorism to get those agendas completed even though they do not apply to terrorism…
Iraq was something that the bushies wanted LONG before 911… its just as simple as that… has nothing to do with bush being evil.
Invade Pakistan? Have we tried sending in our robot scouts? How about special forces? How about everything short of invading? I dont believe so. What kind of pressure have we put on Pakistan? We are talking about 911 right? The thing that changed everything…except where Pakistan is concerned … which happens to be where Osama is … how convenient… We will invade Iraq… had nothing to do with 911 … but we put what pressure on Pakistan? We take what actions in Pakistan short of invading? What of Saudi Arabia? Anything we can do to “encourage” them to deliver? What if we spent all those billions on getting us off Saudi Oil…instead of in Iraq… would they listen then?
There appears to be no real attempt to get Osama but a hell of lot of action going on for agendas that were set in place long before 911… its like you guys just use 911 and dont do anything about it…
September 8th, 2007 at 12:56 amAs long as there are lackies to waste bullets on, sometimes it seems like the Administration doesn’t care if they take down the leaders, expecially when it’s inconvenient.
We’d have had Bin Laden if The Administration didn’t have Iraq on their minds.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:58 amsilly p. I was instrumental in getting Bush elected, finally, in ‘04. I sent him those silly home movies so he could scare the “Jesus” out of the tools like you, and sneak back into the White House in spite of the fact of his amazingly massive failure on 9/11. I wouldn’t be seen in public with such a deranged creature as Bush, but our families go back a long way, and we have all bonded over many handholding walks in the garden and long, lingering kisses under the arches. I have indeed read this Chomsky, but fortunately for my Al Qaeda and myself, I seem to be among the very few, else we would have been destroyed long ago. Chomsky is very dangerous to my way of life, his clear thinking and strong patriotism would lead to my downfall if anyone paid any attention to him. Olby I am unfamiliar with, but if he’s like Chomsky, I can only pray to Allah that he is on cable.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:02 amDid Fred have a jowl-ectomy?
September 8th, 2007 at 1:15 amronjazz,
“You’re an ignorant hack withut a logic circuit. You’re still doing the same circular bullshit. Look, chump, you blew it. What’s the significance of the OBL video? It depends. Did Bushco make it?”
Yeah, I don’t have a logic circuit, LOL.
Then its significance is that they want to distract from their current failures, or their future plans to make more war.
You could say that about just about anything. Even the Hudgens nude photos. It could be the case regardless of whether “Bushco” made the video or not. Just like all wars COULD have been started to make money. Good job!
did OBL make it? then the significance is obvious; the republican administration has failed miserably.
Because catching OBL is easy? Then didn’t Clinton also fail? Or are you just an armchair warrior criticizing someone else for something you have no idea about doing?
it is a Bushco production, in my opinion, and is meangless and a waste of time to even consider it. it’s just another piece of propaganda, no matter who is responsible for it.
Yep, we’re done here.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:18 amYep, we’re done here.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 8, 2007 @ 1:18 am
glad you finally recognize when I’ve cleaned your clock. another post of non-answers, evasions and pointlessness. Good job.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:20 amAnother CIA, er, sorry Bin Laden tape, his timing is so immpeccable.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:48 amhmm let’s see: it is September and Bin Laden is alive and rendering his video services again!!! Alright GW this time he’ll come up with something ridiculous like : every american should convert to islam! That should validate this criminal war!!! GW quickly brought up the magic word: DANGER!! WAKE UP AMERICA! THE Bush Co. & Bin Laden partnership is about to strike. Wake up! everybody watch closely and listen carefully!!
September 8th, 2007 at 1:49 amronjazz,
Yes, you cleaned my clock alright. Watch out behind you! It’s Booooosh! So if I got you right, Bush made a video that would show that he is completely incompetent. You’re quite the smart one.
Gerald,
Taking actions against terrorists is not the same thing as having your own agenda and using terrorism to get those agendas completed even though they do not apply to terrorism…
Sure. Then again, you just may not understand that what we are doing has everything to do with defeating terrorism, although they are long-term plans that will take decades to accomplish.
Iraq was something that the bushies wanted LONG before 911… its just as simple as that… has nothing to do with bush being evil.
Unfortunately, you’ve been brainwashed by the liberal propaganda on this one. The USG has been wanting to snuff out Saddam since at least 1990. Democrats. Republicans. Independents. For obvious reasons. This has nothing to do with Bush. Only gullible fools believe that.
Invade Pakistan? Have we tried sending in our robot scouts? How about special forces?
That IS invading Pakistan, also. That would be illegally violating the sovereignty of Pakistan, no? I thought that was a liberal no-no?
How about everything short of invading?
All of which would also violate Pakistan’s sovereignty and be illegal according to the Liberal Gospel?
Look, we’re friends with Musharraf. He has nukes. We don’t want Pakistan being run over by jihadis. We do as he wants. Period. We can’t afford to be on bad terms with Musharraf.
The thing that changed everything…except where Pakistan is concerned … which happens to be where Osama is … how convenient…
Yes, perhaps that’s why Osama chose to be there? Because he knows that Musharraf will get the noose if he lets the US do as they please within his country? Not to mention that he hangs out in the areas where the Pakistani government has no clout? Convenient, you bet, for Osama bin Laden. It’s all logical if you just take off the conspiracy theory Bush-hating goggles for just one second.
We will invade Iraq… had nothing to do with 911 … but we put what pressure on Pakistan?
Yeah, let’s become enemies with a country that has nukes which also has a border dispute with its neighbor, who has nukes, who combined have over a billion people in population. Sounds like a great idea! We should have made you president. I mean, it’s not like all those Pakistanis and Indians and other folks down there need to be alive or anything! Let’s just do things without thinking!
I mean, did you even think at all before writing that? We can’t put pressure on Pakistan. We can’t put pressure on Saudi Arabia. They have us both by the balls. Pakistan because they have nukes. The Saudis because they have the sweet, sweet oil we need.
Hmmm. Why’d we invade Iraq again? Ah.. I don’t know… one reason could be to prop up a moderate state in the region that has lots of oil that could modernize its oil infrastructure and put more oil on the market so we are less dependent on Saudi Arabia and thus allow us to put pressure on them…
Nah, that would be a silly idea! Let’s just stay dependent on Saudi Arabia, and invade Pakistan! More fun for everyone.
We take what actions in Pakistan short of invading? What of Saudi Arabia? Anything we can do to “encourage†them to deliver? What if we spent all those billions on getting us off Saudi Oil…instead of in Iraq… would they listen then?
Same reason we didn’t invade North Korea, genius. Think about it for at least a few seconds. Spent billions on getting off Saudi oil? Really, like how? We can create oil from money? Drill in Alaska? Ah wait, people like you oppose that. Hmmm. Create ten billion solar panels and put them all over the US, cut down forest to place them all?
I’m all ears. Give us your plan to spend $300B and wean us off Saudi Arabian oil. Love to hear it.
There appears to be no real attempt to get Osama but a hell of lot of action going on for agendas that were set in place long before 911… its like you guys just use 911 and dont do anything about it…
Let’s go through this slowly, again. Osama is in Pakistan. Pakistan has nukes. Pakistan’s leader doesn’t want us sneaking around in his country. We can’t afford to step on his toes, because he has nukes, and because any misstep there may cause less moderate people to take out Musharraf.
But to you, getting Osama is all easy cheese. That’s because you don’t think about all the details and the reasons why we haven’t been able to get him.
And most people here at Think Progress think that getting Osama bin Laden is pointless anyways, which is probably true. Either that, or like ronjazz, they think he’s a fake created by the CIA that is used to prop up the GOP.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:58 amThe Bin Ladens FUNDED Bush in his failed oil businesses.
His family did business with the Bin Ladens for 30 years.
The Bushes are Saudi oil whorbags…
September 8th, 2007 at 3:12 amhttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_newfake.html
I cannot belive that I live in a country (USA) where the people are so stupid and gulliable that they will believe anything without the slightest fact checking!
First it was the fake “fat” Osama tape the criminals in the government who were behind 9-11, that was declaed “real”.
Last it was the fake “dyed curly beard” Osama tape that the criminals
in the government who were behind 9-11, that was declared “real”.
If my countrymen has the smallest bit of “critical thinking skills”, they would understand what it means when the people in the government declare an OBVIOUS fake tape real!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:14 amWhy is this administration avoiding accountability? 3,000 dead and you trolls have no problem with the mastermind of these killings roaming freely around? I think it sums up you and your party nicely. Thanks for showing us that you all can sink even lower!
September 8th, 2007 at 4:03 amPS- You still haven’t learned the lessons of a post 911 world when you cut and run from Afghanistan to invade Iraq!
As far as invading or attacking Pakistan, remember it was Bush who said he would go after countries that harbor terrorists. He should explain his change of mind. It might very well be valid, but he shouldn’t get a free pass on flip-flopping on something as important as justice for 9/11.
DreamCrusher quote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but during all those years and administrations, Bush is the one who actually DID invade Iraq. How can you claim it has nothing to do with him?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:09 am3 minute Bin Laden Video
You have to admire this guy he speaks more truth than Bush could in a million years, The video actually praises some American things
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f54_1189196761
WOW THIS GUYS GREAT – BUSH SHOULD BE WORRIED
September 8th, 2007 at 5:25 amThe Osama Bin Laden that appears on the latest video is a fake! Dumb ass Chimp keeps mocking this great nation. As if we were stupid or something. What a freak! Setting up the stage for terror, Bush desperately resorts to a video of a fake Osama Bin Laden. He thinks were stupid what a dumb ass !
How dare you Chimp! Guess what? we’re not believing your lies nor those phony Bin Laden Videos! Loser Chimp! We’re watching closely!
September 8th, 2007 at 6:31 amLet’s go through this slowly, again. Osama is in Pakistan. Pakistan has nukes. Pakistan’s leader doesn’t want us sneaking around in his country. We can’t afford to step on his toes, because he has nukes, and because any misstep there may cause less moderate people to take out Musharraf.
Comment by DreamCrusher — September 8, 2007 @ 1:58 am
Don’t we have special forces in Pakistan? I thought we had people working with the Pakistani military and ISI in the NWFP
September 8th, 2007 at 7:52 amGreat Bush video while hes at OPEC ah APEC
September 8th, 2007 at 8:26 amOk, let’s take it slowly: US strikes Iran; price of oil goes to 100+ levels and world-wide middle class disappears from the scene as only the very rich will be able to survive. Last countries standing: Venezuela and Cuba,……. hurrayyy!
September 8th, 2007 at 8:55 am“The only important terrorists are the ones that get caught. Those that get away are merely symbolic. Similarly the only goals that matter are those that the GWB Admin meets, the rest are symbolic. Failure is actually a symbol of the GWB Admin.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 7, 2007 @ 5:59 pm”
Hey look! I’m posting even when I’m not here!
Really now, when would I actually say that “failure is actually a symbol of the GWB Admin.”? I don’t believe the Bush administration has failed in the war on terror. We have not had a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since the war on terror began. Looks like success to me.
As far as OBL being a “symbol”. I would have to agree, since he hasn’t done anything but make public relations tapes since 9/11. And if he is currently a symbol, it is only because the United States, through our war on terror, and our disruption of Al-Quada, has relegated him to a mere symbol.
Sounds like more success for the Bush Administration.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:08 am“OBL speaks a hell of a lot more more truth than Bush
Comment by Tobey Tall — September 7, 2007 @ 6:08 pm”
Leave it to a liberal to believe OBL over our own elected government.
Actually, I think OBL is in line to head up the Democrat Party when Howard Dean leaves….that ought to make you libs happy, eh?
September 8th, 2007 at 9:12 amSounds like more success for the Bush Administration.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 8, 2007 @ 9:08 am
A symbol is a symbol is a symbol!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:30 amQuestion #1. Does Bin Laden want America to get out of Iraq?
September 8th, 2007 at 9:47 amTerrorism experts agree that the best recruiting tool for Al Qaeda is the Iraq War. America is spending billions of borrowed dollars and losing American troops daily. Recruiting goals are not being met.The coalition of the willing has all but dissappeared….world opinion is almost universally against the Iraq war.
Question #2 If Bin Laden really wants us to stay mired in Iraq, What would he say???
Question #2 If Bin Laden really wants us to stay mired in Iraq, What would he say???
Comment by Badger — September 8, 2007 @ 9:47 am
I think you know your own answers!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:55 amReally now, when would I actually say that “failure is actually a symbol of the GWB Admin.� I don’t believe the Bush administration has failed in the war on terror. We have not had a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since the war on terror began. Looks like success to me.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 8, 2007 @ 9:08 am
We have also not had a major earthquake, and shark attacks are down considerably. And al-Qa’ida has reconstituted itself to “pre-2001 strength,” according to the last NIE. Do you credit the Bush administration for these things as well?
And speaking of failure – I just wanted to remind everyone that Salem bin Laden, Usama’s half-brother, was an investor in Arbusto, G.W. Bush’s failed oil company.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:57 amComment by JoeCaribe — September 8, 2007 @ 9:55 am
Sshh! I think that Badger wants the trolls to use their atrophied “common sense” and figure it out for themselves! ;-)
September 8th, 2007 at 9:57 amAndrew Tilghman has a really good article in Washington Monthly online. It’s about Al Qaeda in Iraq, and the duffle bags full of ca$h we are delivering to the Sunni Shieks in Al Anbar. Amazingly, they are not attacking us lately. Google ” the myth of AQI”
September 8th, 2007 at 10:17 amWhat was Fred doing with the pig? Getting ready to try and put lipstick on it?
September 8th, 2007 at 10:33 amAndrew Tilghman has a really good article in Washington Monthly online. It’s about Al Qaeda in Iraq, and the duffle bags full of ca$h we are delivering to the Sunni Shieks in Al Anbar. Amazingly, they are not attacking us lately. Google †the myth of AQIâ€
Comment by Badger — September 8, 2007 @ 10:17 am
Why Google when you can click: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0710.tilghman.html
Abu Aardvark also has a great article today on the highway bandit we’re working with in Anbar: http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2007/09/bush-and-abu-ri.html
September 8th, 2007 at 10:45 amOdd, I can _see_ a picture of Fred at the top of this page but who is that holding him?
September 8th, 2007 at 11:23 amOdd, I can _see_ a picture of Fred at the top of this page but who is that holding him?
Comment by Bernard Quatermass — September 8, 2007 @ 11:23 am
OMG, thanks, I actually snorted with laughter!:D
September 8th, 2007 at 11:40 am“OMG, thanks, I actually snorted with laughter!:D”
No problem, I will be sending an invoice. ;^)
September 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmQuatermass: Fred Thompson Is ‘More Horsepuck Than Anything Else’
September 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pm…
INSIDER INTELLIGENCE REPORT:
Bush-bin Laden Tape a Fake – Bush’s Latest Trick
http://blog.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel
September 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pm#
SORRY, LEFTIES!!!!!!!!!!
STALINISM LOSES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 7, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
What does Stalinism have to do with this thread? And can you cite any leftist posters here who have expressed support for Stalin and/or Stalinism?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:50 amI realize you loive to see your name in print (and read yourself talking), Mr. Pea-Brain, but most–if not all–of the time you only come across as a total jerk.