Snow: We’re no longer ‘getting killed’ in Iraq.
In an interview with the AP, outgoing White House Press Secretary Tony Snow claimed that the United States is now winning in Iraq:
“If you had asked two months ago, ‘Is the surge succeeding?’ people would have said, ‘Ah, we’re getting killed.’ I mean literally,” White House press secretary Tony Snow said in an interview. “But now it’s very obvious that on the military side there has been some profound progress. And that progress also has real political implications in terms of the Iraqi people standing up to the folks who have been trying to blow up the government.”
Seven U.S. troops were killed in Iraq yesterday, bringing the month’s total to 18. August was the second month in a row that Iraqi civilian deaths rose.
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151 Responses to “Snow: We’re no longer ‘getting killed’ in Iraq.”
What I mean is that we have some military progress, the democratic experiment, however, the government of Iraq, of course, is a complete failure. So much much for spreading democracy in the middle east, heckuva job, eh?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:16 pmHave Snow, Bush, and the neocons convinced America to give a shit about Iraq, yet? That is s failure of leaderhip.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:17 pmso, tony… you ain’t left yet…?
And, yes, I DO take it personally
September 8th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAnd less than 2/3 of the Iraqi parliament showed up Tuesday after their Summer break.
But hey, political matters don’t matter anymore according to King George. The purpose of the “surge” was to give the parliament “breathing room” to conduct business, and less than 2/3 show up.
The surge aint working!!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSnow: We’re no longer ‘getting killed’ in Iraq.
So, are the dead soldiers not dead? They are just INJURED BEYOND REPAIR? RIGHT?
Tony, you know cancer, right? Well, the US is a cancer in the Iraqi region. Can’t you not spot a cancer by now?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:27 pmSo let’s declare victory and come home!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pmahhh looks like the message from the ministry of truthspeak has been issued.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:33 pm“Sorry, libtards!”
‘Sokay, Contard Numero Uno, where would we be without your soft rain of little verbal farts? There would be so much less laughter …
September 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWe all know how progressive vermin are wishing ill on Tony Snow, wishing for his cancer to kill him and being tearful when it doesn’t happen, but this “article” by TP stretches even the wildness that’s common for progressive, intellectual dishonesty. The headline was childishly manufactured by TP to include an out-of-context quote by Snow with phrasing that TP planted around his quote to fabricate what Snow said. Snow never said we’re “no longer getting killed.” In the ASSociated Press article, Snow’s dependable and verifiable argument is that the surge is working militarily, and this breathing room that’s been created is permitting the Iraqis to reconcile politically and to stand up to terrorists like they are in Anbar. The progressive haters who aggressively insist, beyond any reasonable claim, that the Iraqis should reach political reconciliation NOW, when the surge has only existed in full for maybe a month-and-a-half, are really laughable and insane.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:38 pm“We all know how progressive vermin …”
How oddly reminiscent this is of a certain era of Germany’s characterization of the Jews. I’m certain there’s absolutely no substantive similarity between the motivation, though. Oh yes. Absolutely certain. Nothing totalitarian nor thought-control-y nor “you are free to do as we tell you” here. Move on.
What a putz.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pmOh my GOD! why do we let people get away with this level of pure and OBVIOUS lies. Why does a statement like this not result in major embarrassment for the administration and lead to the firing of the idiot spokesperson who would say such a thing.
Are we americans that stupid that we don’t call them on this cr@p?
Where is the outrage? Americans are dying daily in Iraq and more have died in this war than in 9/11 or all terrorism since. When will we wake up and get properly pissed off at these criminals?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“In the ASSociated Press article … ”
I for one cannot see why, with subtly-nuanced, killer humor like this, the conservative versions of programs like The Daily Show don’t just kick major butt in the ratings.
Did a 6 year old write this line?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:43 pmOnly 4 soldiers were wouned the whole day yesterday. That’s a very low total.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:43 pm“Only 4 soldiers were wouned the whole day yesterday. That’s a very low total.”
I’m sure their parents, spouses and / or children will vigorously nod in agreement with you.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:44 pm70% Of American includes a whole lot of righties!
210 million [out of 300 million] Americans want out of Iraq.
Yo Brooks, ya idiot, cant ya count?
Actually Mr P, Snow is 70% wrong.
The Iraqi Government is in shambles and rife with corruption, the sectarian violence hasn’t abated much even though Sadr has his forces in a cease fire for the time being.
Of course corruption is something Mr P likes in a Republican government, as he works so hard to help cloak it.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pmWell think about it. Those seven soldiers were killed in two seperate incidents, and then only four wounded the rest of the day. Says to me that not alot happened that day, which backs up the assessment that violence is down.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI for one cannot see why, with subtly-nuanced, killer humor like this, the conservative versions of programs like The Daily Show don’t just kick major butt in the ratings.
Maybe cause only 10% of America think thats killer Humour. Its like saying Ann Coulter is a comedian.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:48 pmhttp://icasualties.org/oif/
Not Really Another Chris The monthly averages have changed little
September 8th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWell think about it. Those seven soldiers were killed in two seperate incidents, and then only four wounded the rest of the day. Says to me that not alot happened that day, which backs up the assessment that violence is down.
Comment by Another Chris — September 8, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Since we apparently already have a ‘first’ Chris, then we can surely spare you to go to Iraq to experience such an uneventful day as those seven dead soldiers had. Asswipe.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:56 pmWhy do liberals hate life?Comment by Mr P — September 8, 2007
Agreeing with yourself again Mr P?
If the ‘libs’ hated life they would want the troops to stay in iraq, like you do!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:56 pmNo one wishes T. Snow ‘ill will’. We wish he’d step up and see that the american public just isn’t buying this ‘we’re no longer getting killed’ - ‘we’re kicking a s s”. The citizenry sees beyond all the tripe coming from this administration. It is so transparent when a ‘rah rah’ talking points memo goes out to the republican sheep - it gets spewed on every surface -
September 8th, 2007 at 3:57 pmAnd BTW Mr P, its not just the ‘libs’ 70% of America is some 210 million people, are you saying they are all libs?
Idiot.
What do they teach you at that school?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:59 pmTonySnowwillbeatcancersincehe’snolibgirlieman
Well, of course Tony Snow will beat cancer since he’s no lib girlie man, just like “The Duke” John Wayne beat it. Oh, yeah…well, then I guess he’ll just have to try to beat cancer since he’s a lying sack of shit?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:00 pmLook!
It’s Jake X, Mr. P and Michael, workin‘ hard, or hardly workin?
LINK
September 8th, 2007 at 4:01 pmTonySnowwillbeatcancersincehe’snolibgirlieman
So what are you saying Mr P? That if Rudia Julie Annie got cancer he wouldn’t beat it?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:01 pmSnow’s dependable and verifiable argument is that the surge is working militarily, and this breathing room that’s been created is permitting the Iraqis to reconcile politically and to stand up to terrorists like they are in Anbar.
Idiotic Comment by OneOfMrPsManyInsanePersonalities — September 8, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Wrongo, Mr. Keebler. The Sunnis were standing up to AQI before the surge, not because of it. Perhaps if you weren’t living in a fantasy world of your government’s creation, you might learn the truth once in a while.
I know it’s painful to think that your own government would lie to you and use your unfettered faith in them to pursue globally destructive policies, but that is what’s happened. And that is why they need to be impeached and removed from office.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:02 pmTonySnowwillbeatcancersincehe’snolibgirlieman
That has to be your most retarded moniker yet Mr P, as if cancer is able to ascertian political ideology?
Why do righties hate children and people with cancer?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:03 pmTonySnowwillbeatcancersincehe’snolibgirlieman — September 8,”
Tony snow has as much of a chance of “beating cancer” as the the surge has of succeeding. which is about as much of a chance as a snow ball’s chance in hell. I wonder when his lee atwater moment will come?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pmJane,
It’s a nice thought about me going to Iraq, it might happen again. I say again cause I was already there once with the 82nd Airborne in 2003-2004.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:05 pmTony Snowjob needs to go away real soon. His Pinocchio nose just keeps growing and growing and growing. Nobody believes anything that comes out of his mouth. He’s lost all credibility.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:06 pmNow how are you gonna verify Tony’s argument Mr P when the report wont be written by ’save the paper and the trees’ Petraeus?
Your a total schizoid psychopathic sociopath certifiably insane wacko nutjob Mr P [JDKonservo]
September 8th, 2007 at 4:07 pmstupid americans are too unsophisticated to understand how much they have been snowed and duped. Afterall, why would you vote for a neaderthal by the name of bush TWICE.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:07 pmBin Laden tries to split the West - BBC
September 8th, 2007 at 4:09 pmRedstate,
Nope still in thanks. I tried to go back myself but couldn’t. Thy want to send me to Korea instead.
And you wouldn’t last a day in the Army.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSunni bloc ends boycott in Iraq
A Sunni Arab-led bloc has ended its boycott of Iraq’s parliament - the last of several Sunni groups to return after walking out three months ago.
The Iraqi National Dialogue Front said the government had agreed to address security fears and delay oil-law talks
Mr Mutlaq said the government had agreed to delay negotiations on the oil law until after Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting expected to start next week.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/ hi/ world/ middle_east/ 6985068.stm
September 8th, 2007 at 4:10 pm:|
Good thing you don’t sell Real Estate, Tony.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:12 pmTony has already said it’s all about the money to him. So he was given a few bucks to continue to lie but he’ll say later it was the medication. We lost 7 soldiers and they are value even if Tony and the White House don’t think so. We are losing soldiers every day while Tony lies. This is an example of how little the White House values human life and the lives of our soldiers. Tony can explain to God why he followed Satan while he was alive.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:16 pmSounds like a good news story to me Tobey. Unless your gloating cause they are delaying the oil talks.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“I’m an Army brat married to a FullBird……I’ve lived it all my life!!!”
Comment by redstateblueheart — September 8, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Good for you, rsbh, thanks for your husband’s and your family’s service to our country. May your husband stay safe and come home to you as soon as possible.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pmYawn… same old crap.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:22 pmTony’s wash is always on the “spin” cycle.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:22 pmTony’s wash is always on the “spin†cycle.
Comment by bush’sbrainondrugs — September 8, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Well, maybe Tony’s “spin” needs to be put through the “wash” cycle. It still stinks!
September 8th, 2007 at 4:24 pmVictory is a free and democratic Iraq. Even by that definition, if we “win”, we lose because a free and democratic Iraq will be a Shiite dominated Islamic country that is politically and culturally aligned with Iran. That beauty spot on our face will have grown into a wart 6″ across.
Only complete morons would fight for a victory in Iraq when they don’t even know what victory will look like.
When our boy Saddam (remember who found him, trained him and put him in power?) was ruling Iraq, we had already won. Iraq under Saddam was a Secular levy holding back the spread of militant Islam from Afghanistan all the way to the Mediterranean. Saddam was at logger heads with Iran, the more real threat. God was in his Heaven and we were the Kings of the World. Both feared and respected by all.
We lost it all the instant we ventured into Iraq. There is no winning there and the only thing we can now control is the magnitude of our eventual defeat. The longer we stay, the bigger and wider the pole that is eventually shoved up our ass.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:25 pm‘Well think about it. Those seven soldiers were killed in two seperate incidents, and then only four wounded the rest of the day. Says to me that not alot happened that day, which backs up the assessment that violence is down.’
Wow; ONLY 7 US soldiers killed yesterday, and ONLY 4 wounded.
Talk about success.
You must be insane; get bent.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:29 pmHey, Tony,
September 8th, 2007 at 4:30 pmAre 3760 dead enough for you?
BTW, Anbar Province isn’t so safe any more. Four more of ours were killed there yesterday. Also, it was not part of the surge — it was a place where warring groups had stopped fighting one another…at least temporarily.
Everytime you speak, Tony, your words have to be fact-checked. You just don’t tell the truth, Tony, and the stress of keeping track of all those lies is hard on the body.
Snow: We’re no longer ‘getting killed’ in Iraq.
‘at’s right… we’re “kickin’ ass”, ‘member?
.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:32 pmThis administration’s biggest mistake was to assume that a tribal culture would want a democracy in the first place. If they truly wanted to have a democratic society, they would have gone that way centuries ago. What people want is stability. They can deal with the bullsh!t as long as they know what to expect. They may not like it, but once they learn how to survive from one day to the next, they are not usually anxious to change it, no matter how many people tell them they should.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:33 pmGee, TonySnowwillbeatcancersincehe’snolibgirlieman
I didn’t know that only weak liberals were afflicted with cancer — you know, the ones who are girlie men.
You are ridiculously stupid. Are you a grown up or are you playing with Mom’s computer again?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“The Surge is working, applied directly to the forehead.”
“The Surge is working, applied directly to the forehead.”
“The Surge is working, applied directly to the forehead.’
September 8th, 2007 at 4:38 pm“The Surge is working, applied directly to the forehead.’
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver
That commercial makes me insane.
I’m now insane.
“La-la-la-la-laaaa.”
September 8th, 2007 at 4:41 pm“The Surge is working, applied directly to the forehead.”
Comment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — September 8, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
ROFL! That is hilarious!
September 8th, 2007 at 4:54 pmFrom BuzzFlash:
How very true.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDo you, Mr. P, have a problem with the alliance we’re DESPERATELY attempting to keep a secret?
Leave us alone.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWhen Snowball says we..he means “we neocons are not getting killed,
September 8th, 2007 at 5:31 pmjust those other folks, so who cares anyway.”
DEATH TO THE ISLAMOSTALINIST-PROGLIB ALLIANCE!!!!!
Comment by Prophet Mahomet ibn Abdallah — September 8, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Anyone who calls for the death of another human being as lost his right to call himself a human being.
Seriously, Mr. P, seek counseling. You are clearly deranged. As much as we despise you, we don’t wish you dead.
TP, seriously, to continue posting this lunatics rants is to encourage his irrational behavior. You are only hurting him, not helping him.
I know, you don’t care. You never did, and you never will. So have fun watching him and his multiple personalities poop all over your site. Go ahead and let your site become the kind O’Reilly rants against, only he’ll be right for once.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pmGiven the redefining of sectarian vs. non-sectarian violence, is anyone going to ask why the criminal murder rate in Iraq has increased 2000% in the past month? (I mean, those deaths have to show up somewhere statistically, no?)
September 8th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWell think about it. Those seven soldiers were killed in two seperate incidents, and then only four wounded the rest of the day. Says to me that not alot happened that day, which backs up the assessment that violence is down. Comment by Another Chris — September 8, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
DING DING!!! Folks, we have a winner! This guy has even less regard for American troops safety and security than Dubya does.
And it is also clear he is just as big of a Chickenhawk too, since if he ever did serve in combat, that comment would have never have left his Cheeto-smeared keyboard.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:34 pm(I mean, those deaths have to show up somewhere statistically, no?)
Comment by Dr. Grumpus — September 8, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
It just might be easier to pretend some deaths aren’t related to the political/military situation, so you can sell yer cock-n-bull story that “the Surge” is working. Just a thought…
September 8th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — September 8, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
I agree. He used to be funny, in a sick kind of way, but lately his Meth-rants ahve gotten worse and more pronounced.
I feel so sorry for the people of N. Virginia that might run into this a$$klown in the 7-11 on his Mountain Dew and Cheetos run.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWe’re WINNING.
Six years after Mission was Accomplished, the world’s sole Superpower is making claims of making progress, claims that even Americans don’t believe, against an invisible and unidentifiable enemy. Big DU DI DAH!!
I think we should give this thing a few Friedmans more and Victory will be ours. For sure.
USA USA USA
September 8th, 2007 at 5:38 pmsince if he ever did serve in combat, that comment would have never have left his Cheeto-smeared keyboard.
Comment by upside00 — September 8, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
That was pretty much my assesment of that too, upside. EVERY REAL soldier I’ve talked to is NEVER that flip and casual about their fellow soldiers’ deaths. They may argue endlessly that the goal is worth accomplishing, but they’re always pained about the death toll.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:40 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 8, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Hey, are you still giving out door prizes, ’cause upside00 has picked the winner!
September 8th, 2007 at 5:44 pmOooo… no one has ASKED for a door prize in quite a while. I’ll have to check and see if we have any in stock.
I agree w/ upside, BTW. No one who’s been in combat would be that indifferent and callous about their fellow soldiers’ deaths.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:47 pm“Why do liberals hate life?”
They don’t. I daresay we revere its various manifestations, and joy in living it, a great deal more than a person with an oozy, squished-up, hateful little black walnut of a brain like your own.
Take me, for instance. I don’t hate life. I take great _pleasure_ in making fun of frustrated little brats like you. I only wish you made it more of a challenge … but instead you simply continue to serve up steaming piles of the same old same old dung, again and again.
I would say it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, but I am a vegetarian and — as I at least implied before — like life a whole lot.
Now you can go back to breathing through your mouth and watching reality TV.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:50 pm“I’ll have to check and see if we have any in stock.”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 8, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Perhaps some nice cheese and a box-o-wine? ;-)
Good game, BTW–Hielman’s determination was impressive.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI wonder what Tony was saying 2 months ago.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI’m certain it wasn’t “We’re getting killed”.
No one who’s been in combat would be that indifferent and callous about their fellow soldiers’ deaths.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Well said.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:57 pmAnd true.
Mr. Pee has become like the dog chained in the backyard of a corner lot.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:01 pmHe has two streets and an intersection of people, traffic, and other dogs going by that whip him into a frenzy, lunging in both directions, snapping and snarling.
On the third side are the neighbor kids who throw the sticks and rocks over the fence he breaks his teeth on.
And in the window of his owners house, the cats stretch and stare at him the whole day long.
I wonder what Tony was saying 2 months ago.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI’m certain it wasn’t “We’re getting killedâ€.
:):(
Bush’s plan to send thousands of additional U.S. troops to Iraq is the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWould you like to call me a girlie-man, Mr Pee?
September 8th, 2007 at 6:07 pmBin Laden says “Death to America” and “Allah Bless al Qaeda”. You have a lot in common. You both want a theocracy.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWho’s Mr. P?
I am the Prophet Mahomet, (DEATH BE UPON ME!!!!!!).
Comment by Prophet Mahomet ibn Abdallah — September 8, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Mr P is a strange kid who posts here obsessively, one who is terrified of Muslims… He’s no doubt hiding under his bed now that you’ve arrived.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:09 pmUh-oh, lost another comment to TP! You guys seriously need a real administrator.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:10 pmNope still in thanks. I tried to go back myself but couldn’t. Thy want to send me to Korea instead.
And you wouldn’t last a day in the Army.
Comment by Another Chris
I didn’t know the 82nd had anyone stationed in Korea currently, since most are in either Iraq or Afghanistan.
Which camp are they sending you to in Korea?
September 8th, 2007 at 6:11 pmAnother Snowjob.
Tony Snow is highly qualified to be Bush Administration press secretary because he can argue that up is down, and right is left, and black is white with a straight face and without cracking up.
But, of course, he had a lot of practice doing that at fox.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“He’s no doubt hiding under his bed now that you’ve arrived.”
Comment by !!!!!!!!! — September 8, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Well, you know that’s where he keeps his sock-puppet friends.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:15 pmBadgad Bob kept arguing Saddam’s troops were winning while it was obvious that they were losing.
Bagdad Tony is doing the same thing. U.S. casualties have been up each and every month this year above what they were last year. And total violence for June/July this year was higher than in the previous year. How is that winning?
September 8th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThy want to send me to Korea instead.
Comment by Another Chris
Come on, Another Chris, please explain which camp they are sending 82nd Airborne troops to in Korea.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI am curious because I cannot find any 82nd troops assigned there currently.
Comment by !!!!!!!!! — September 8, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Why shouldn’t we be afraid of them? They kill people everyday. They’re always planning attacks, even right here in this country. Yet, all we can cite is the McVeigh attack from 13 years ago. Is that all we got?
But you’re right, let’s just pretend that it’s all Candy Land.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:22 pmLibs HATE any kind of progress or a possible VICTORY in Iraq! Why? Simple. If the U.S. wins, libs lose in 2008.
If we catch Bin Laden…lins lose. Libs really love it that he is still hiding in caves!! But he must be having a great laugh watching Olbermahn’s non rated Hour Of Spin as he just released the same talking points!
September 8th, 2007 at 6:25 pmComment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Wayne, I think that Another Chris must have bailed, maybe he jumped out of a perfectly good airplane? ;-)
September 8th, 2007 at 6:34 pmNo one who’s been in combat would be that indifferent and callous about their fellow soldiers’ deaths.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity to ANother Chris
Well said.
And true.
Comment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
I guess things have changed a lot since I was in RVN. We would have said it was a bad day if we had 1 casualty, WIA or KIA. But maybe the 82nd isn’t that much into their fellow troops any more.
If so, what a sad day for the US military and glad I am not in any more.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:39 pmWayne, I think that Another Chris must have bailed, maybe he jumped out of a perfectly good airplane? ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Just checked the Ft Bragg page and emailed some people. No one can find any 82nd Airborne Brigades currently stationed in Korea.
They are all either in Afghanistan or Iraq, or at home in Ft Bragg. ( unless there is a “below the radar” operation happening in Korea that’s not public knowledge. )
I am very curious……..
September 8th, 2007 at 6:45 pmBut you’re right, let’s just pretend that it’s all Candy Land.
Comment by Bernard Quatermass — September 8, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
No, you can keep pretending… I’m done.
Saturday, July 8th, 2006
Planes of 911 Exceeded Their Software Limits
Jim Heikkila
Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11.
The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls.
They are intelligent planes, and have software limits pre set so that pilot error cannot cause passenger injury. Though they are physically capable of high g maneuvers, the software in their flight control systems prevents high g maneuvers from being performed via the cockpit controls. They are limited to approximately 1.5 g’s, I repeat, one and one half g’s. This is so that a pilot mistake cannot end up breaking grandma’s neck.
No matter what the pilot wants, he cannot override this feature.
The plane that hit the Pentagon approached or reached its actual physical limits, military personnel have calculated that the Pentagon plane pulled between five and seven g’s in its final turn.
The same is true for the second aircraft to impact the WTC.
There is only one way this can happen.
As well as fully autonomous flight capability, the 767 and 757 are the ONLY COMMUTER PLANES MADE BY BOEING THAT CAN BE FLOWN VIA REMOTE CONTROL. It is a feature that is standard to all of them, all 757’s and 767’s can do it. The purpose for this is if there is a problem with the pilots, Norad can fly the planes to safe destinations via remote. Only in this flight mode can those craft exceed their software limits and perform to their actual physical limits because a pre existing emergency situation is assumed if this mode of flight is used.
[Google “Raytheon Global Hawk systemâ€]
Terrorists in fact did not fly those planes, it is totally and completely impossible for those planes to have been flown in such a manner from the cockpit. Those are commuter aircraft, not F-16’s and their software knows it.
Another piece of critical evidence: the voice recorders came up blank.
The flight recorders that were recovered had tape that was undamaged inside, but it was blank. There is only one way this can happen on a 757 or 767. When the aircraft are commandeered via remote control, the microphones that go to the cockpit voice recorder are re routed to the people doing the remote controlling, so that the recording of what happened in the cockpit gets made in a presumably safer place. But due to a glitch in the system on a 757/767, rather than shutting off when the mic is redirected the voice recorder keeps running. The voice recorders use what is called a continuous loop tape, which automatically re passes itself past the erase and record heads once every half hour, so after a half hour of running with the microphones redirected, the tape will be blank. Just like the recovered tapes were. Yet more proof that no pilot flew those planes in the last half hour.
Eight of the hijackers who were on those planes called up complaining that they were still alive. I’d bet you never heard about our foreign minister flying to Morocco and issuing an official apology to the accused, did you? No, terrorists did not fly those planes, plastic knives and box cutters were in fact too ridiculous to be true. Any of the remaining accused have certainly been sought out and killed by now.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:45 pmGood game, BTW–Hielman’s determination was impressive.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — September 8, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Yes it was. I am highly encouraged right now about the team’s intensity. They are playing their best ball of the season!
September 8th, 2007 at 6:53 pmWell said.
And true.
Comment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Thank you. It seemed obvious at the moment.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:54 pmIf this is the same poster I got into it w/ the other morning, he admitted to someoen else that while he was in the military, he hadn’t been in combat. He was a typist/clerical sort of feller. PA-tooey! Jes’ another phony tough guy…
September 8th, 2007 at 6:57 pmGet mr. p his meds! He is going off the deep end again without his waterwings!
What a f’ing loser. His mom must be soooo ashamed!
September 8th, 2007 at 7:02 pmIt is disgusting the depths of “troop death minimizing,” the wingnuts will stoop too. The death and sacrifice of our troops means little, things are going great and we are kicking ass. When you are a war monger saleman, you have to say, ” A few troop deaths, so what.” How disgusting.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:03 pmComment by Mr P: (DEATH!!! be upon me!!!!!!) — September 8, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Okay, if that’s what you want so be it. Have a nice one, and don’t let the GATES OF HELL hit you on the backside…
P.S.
U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ Pilot
Questions 911 Pentagon Story
By Alan Miller
OpedNews.com
9-6-7
U.S. Navy `Top Gun’ pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. “It just didn’t make any sense to me,” he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, “When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.”
Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy’s `Top Gun’ air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, “Top Gun” reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a `Top Gun’ adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.
Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.
Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, “At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.”
Commander Kolstad adds, “I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!”
He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, “Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?”
But no major element of the official account of 9/11 is spared from Commander Kolstad’s criticism. Regarding the alleged impact site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, PA, he asks, “Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?”
Commander Kolstad also questions many aspects of the attack on the World Trade Center. “How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn’t add up.”
“Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many `explosions’ before the buildings collapsed?”
Commander Kolstad summarized his frustration with the investigation and disbelief of the official account of 9/11, “If one were to act as an accident investigator, one would look at the evidence, and then construct a plausible scenario as to what led to the accident. In this case, we were told the story and then the evidence was built to support the story. What happened to any intelligent investigation? Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official `story’ and why I want the truth to be told.”
September 8th, 2007 at 7:06 pmLibs HATE any kind of progress or a possible VICTORY in Iraq! Why? Simple. If the U.S. wins, libs lose in 2008. -JK
The fact is there is no real progress, if there was Petraeus would be more than happy to write a report about it., hes not. The Maliki government is collapsed even according to (R) Ryan Crocker. This is a FREEDOM OPERATION, It was about wmd [till none was found], then it was about regime change [Saddams gone hello] and then it was about installing democracy [Purple fingers where are you?] It was suposed to last six months, then maybe a year, then the goal posts shifted and shifted, not its about nation building.
The fact is Bush doesnt want to win this Operation, what ever its about, before he leaves office JK. How many more excuses and goal post changes do you need to see?
WTFU.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:09 pmLibs HATE any kind of progress or a possible VICTORY in Iraq! Why? Simple. If the U.S. wins, libs lose in 2008. -JK
I can understand why someone might think that, though I don’t believe it. Similarly I have felt for a long time that Republicans will fight tooth & nail not to allow the troops to be withdrawn because if they leave & the fighting stops the entire Republican “war” argument will be lost. Republicans will do better in the upcoming election the more deaths there are in Iraq. That may seem counterintuitive but they are trying to run the country on the basis of fear & without constant death or threat of death that won’t work.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThe fact is Bush doesnt want to win this Operation, what ever its about, before he leaves office JK. How many more excuses and goal post changes do you need to see?
WTFU.
Comment by Phony Blow — September 8, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
And the Repug sheeple keep listening to the cheerleaders when the their team is down 106 - 6 in the third quarter and are waiting for the miracle finish.
Maybe rionnie raygunz can come back so we can Win one for the Gipper”.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:17 pmWe all know how progressive vermin are wishing ill on Tony Snow, wishing for his cancer to kill him and being tearful when it doesn’t happen, …..
So far you are the only one who has mentioned wishing ill on Tony Snow. None of us has.
I can’t believe I read two sentences of this asshat’s post. I normally just skip them, but for some reason I started reading. Stopped after the second sentence. Nothing there worth reading except for his wishing Tony Snow ill will.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:22 pmWhich Brigade were you with Chris, 1st 2nd or 3rd? Where in Iraq, did you serve?
September 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe twoof is you’re an aschloch!
September 8th, 2007 at 7:28 pmLook everyone, the little baby prophet, got to play on daddy prophet’s keyboard! How cute!
September 8th, 2007 at 7:28 pmTony can explain to God why he followed Satan while he was alive.
Comment by Jackie
I doubt that Tony Snow is going to get a chance to talk to god because he is going straight to hell. There he will set the table for the Bush Crime Family to join him. They will all be able to sit around the table and complain into eternity about how those damn Libtards took back the government and restored the constitution and civil liberties to the people.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:30 pmComment by Mr P: (DEATH!!! be upon me!!!!!!) — September 8, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
So be it, if that is what you so desire. Indeed, may it sit on your face!
from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/
As your own eyes witness — (in video on site) WTC Building #7 (a 47 story high-rise not hit by an airplane) exhibits all the characteristics of a classic controlled demolition with explosives:
1. Rapid onset of “collapseâ€
2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse (heard by hundreds of firemen and media reporters)
3. Symmetrical “collapse†– through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance
4. Squibs, or “mistimed†explosions, at the upper 7 floors seen in the network videos
5. “Collapses†into its own footprint – with the steel skeleton broken up for shipment
6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds
7. Tons of molten Metal found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)
8. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.
9. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
10. Expert corroboration from the top European Controlled Demolition professional
11. Fore-knowledge of “collapse†by media, NYPD, FDNY
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsedâ€.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:37 pmLibs HATE any kind of progress or a possible VICTORY in Iraq! Why? Simple. If the U.S. wins, libs lose in 2008.
Well, since there is no way to achieve “victory” in an occupation, my bet’s on we won’t achieve victory. And dream on about the libs losing in 2008. The only way they could lose would be if whoever is the Democratic candidate starts talking like George Bush.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:44 pmFunny, I remember the press asking him that very question 2 months ago and he just said we need to wait till Sept.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:58 pmOk ThinkProgress:
I have never asked for someone to be banned, but that prophet person is sabatoging your website. In what world would post 110 be appropiate? If you don’t do something about that person the discussion aspect of your site is effectively over.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by Bobwurst — September 8, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
It’s gotta be mental illness, Bob…
I agree. This ONE f-in’ a**hole is trying to destroy this site. Don’t know what the answer is.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:05 pm> Snow’s dependable and verifiable argument is that the surge is working militarily
Because the Bush Report will say so?
I laugh.
Now standing by for another Friedman unit.
History repeats itself only as farce.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:07 pmbobwurst - upper right - “email us”
September 8th, 2007 at 8:12 pmi did…
thanks katy.
I will too.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:13 pmbobworst - send it both ways…
September 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pmMr. ‘P’,
You have every right to express yourself as much as I do if TP allows whatever language used. The differing perspectives, sometimes weird, concludes a mutual agreement we all have that living in a country whose laws permits this discourse is something we must work real hard to protect.
I will do my utmost to look past your ..aphorisms to glean any little shell of understanding in your posts if I choose to respond them hence.
Thanks for associating and have a good weekend.
-James Saviile Row
September 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pmit’s not about his “opinion”…
it’s about his waste of space…
inconsiderate and immature.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:20 pm.
Comment by Mr. P — September 8, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Mr. P, wake up….believe it. Same one. I meant what I said.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pmWhich Brigade were you with Chris, 1st 2nd or 3rd? Where in Iraq, did you serve?
Comment by Fred
For some reason I don’t think Chris is going to answer our questions……….
September 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmFurther…nothing personal, but I am original.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:24 pmGeez, it would appear that a whole bunch of posts disappeared here!
September 8th, 2007 at 8:30 pmI agree. This ONE f-in’ a**hole is trying to destroy this site. Don’t know what the answer is.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Well, a start would be not giving him the attention he thinks he deserves.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:30 pmFor some reason I don’t think Chris is going to answer our questions……….
Comment by Wayne
That’s always what happens when they get caught in their lies. They disappear. Sadly, they will pop up again tomorrow with a new moniker.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pmSomeone on this thread reminds me of the notoriously toxic and obnoxious troll on the old Yahoo message boards named Xsited. He used to engage in serial posts of the same message, over and over, completely taking up all the space and jamming up threads with such enlightening messages as “I jacked off in a liberal’s salad”. His jam sessions were particularly frantic on bad news days for Mr. Bush. Is Mr. P and all his current incarnations just the old Xsited, the most obnoxious troll on the Internet? Seems like it.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pm*
September 8th, 2007 at 8:43 pmthank you, TP!
:-)
That’s always what happens when they get caught in their lies. They disappear. Sadly, they will pop up again tomorrow with a new moniker.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 8, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Wouldn’t you think they would feel demeaned and embarrassed if they got “outed” like that? I really do wonder what goes through their minds when they do that?
September 8th, 2007 at 8:44 pmComment by katy — September 8, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
I wonder how long it will take him to slither back here under a different name and start his rants again?
Have you seen his website? It is as whacked ouot as his posts here.
That boy is totally over the edge.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pmWouldn’t you think they would feel demeaned and embarrassed if they got “outed†like that?
Comment by upside00
Funny that he said he was in my old Division and I just happen to keep up with the 82nd’s current deployments.
82nd went to Korea in the 70s, temporarily, for war game operations.
Currently all units are in Iraq, Afghanistan or Ft Bragg, unless there is a covert operation some unit is at somewhere in the world.
No units currently assigned to Korea that I can find anywhere, even after asking my old CO, who is currently still currently active dity.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:59 pmHave you seen his website? It is as whacked ouot as his posts here.
That boy is totally over the edge.
Comment by upside00
His site reads like a parody site, sadly it is not one…….
September 8th, 2007 at 9:00 pmbah
currently active dity =currently active duty.
** why did they put the “i”key nect to the “u” key anyway? lol
September 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmTony Snow opens his mouth and the lies come flying out. If you want to see the results of 61/2 years of lies from Bush and his Crooks, go see the new documentary by Charles Ferguson, “No End in Sight.”
If there is any American who is not totally embarrassed & humiliated about what we have done to Iraq after seeing “No End in Sight,” something is seriously wrong with you.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:05 pmComment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Having been in combat in Vietnam and been around the 82nd, there is no way that he could have had such a callous comment, if he really was in their unit.
We cared about ALL our fellow troops, and I just couldn’t accept that things had changed that much.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:11 pmHis site reads like a parody site, sadly it is not one…….
Comment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
One does have to wonder what drugs he is on (I think meth) that could drive that thinking process ….. unless he is just that crazy, sans drugs.
Gotta be scary for his parents and neighbors!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:13 pmWe cared about ALL our fellow troops, and I just couldn’t accept that things had changed that much.
Comment by upside00
Rangers care deeply about their fellow Soldiers and we never leave anyone behind, dead or alive, if humanly possible to get them.
Far as I know, it is still the same.
Ranger Motto : Rangers Lead the Way!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:16 pm82nd Airborne: All The Way!!
testttt
Comment by Prophet Mahomet ibn Abdallah
You’re still a failure Mr. Pee-Brain
September 8th, 2007 at 9:35 pmIn April of 2006, elements of 3/4 ADAR deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. They are currently still deployed.
The 3rd Brigade Combat Team and 1-325 deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in July and August 2006. They are currently still deployed.
http://www.bragg.army.mil/82dv/History.htm
September 8th, 2007 at 9:37 pmComment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
A great unit, indeed!
I was in ARRS (air/sea rescue now) and went to jump school at Benning. Luckily, I only had to be on the ground during penetrations and a few short missions as FAC on the ground to coordinate rescue ops.
The Grunts are the real heroes of any war!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:42 pmI wonder how long it will take him to slither back here …
Comment by upside00 — September 8, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
about 40 minutes…
it’s been reported again, also…
September 8th, 2007 at 9:46 pm…
You’re still a failure Mr. Pee-Brain
Comment by Wayne — September 8, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
mr. p is like a cockroach, he keeps crawling out from under the sink, no matter how much he gets sprayed with reality and truth.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:47 pmGood evening all,..This is my first post of the day and likely the only one…
This morning my neighbor sent me to Home Depot to pick up a truck load of OSB and insulation for my little project….One of the loader’s that I see there often was helping me load and on the phone ,,,,He was upset, heard his son in Iraq was injured (again today) and coulden’t get any info…Since bull shit and the military have blocked the internet to the troop’s it take’s forever to get any information..He was livid and as we spoke I found out why,,,,,Seems his son is on his 3rd tour of 13 month’s and this is the 3rd time he has been wounded….I coulden’t believe what I was hearing and he was unable to comprehend this was again happening to his son…I said I thought they got to come home when they were wounded and he said ” they make them stay unless they looose limb’s or get severe head injuries…He and I were both in tear’s..He gave me a hug, I gave him my Blessings and his parting word’s were’ Please drive that old truck with all the Impeach sticker’s on it as much as you can afford, out son’s live’s depend on it.”",,,,,Blessings all and please light a candle or say a preyer for all our troop’s to come home safe…
September 8th, 2007 at 9:52 pmYeah, well after those SEVEN THAT DIED YESTERDAY, we’re NO LONGER getting killed…
Yup…
September 8th, 2007 at 10:13 pmI was in ARRS (air/sea rescue now) and went to jump school at Benning. — upside00
82nd Airborne , 2nd Brigade - 2BCT 1982-1991.
Everyone in the 82nd is trained to jump and is ( puposed to be ) ready for rapid deployment anywhere in the world within 18 hours. From the grunt on potato peeling duty in the mess hall on up are all trained paratroopers. =()
September 8th, 2007 at 10:20 pmTony, just go back to your office and clean out your desk. This guys meds are starting to have a real toll on him–a man out of touch with reality.
This gang in the White House and the repugs live in a fantasy world. It’s easy for them to say the surge is working they have nothing invested in it–none of their kids are serving nor are they about to.
September 8th, 2007 at 10:33 pm‘Ah, we’re getting killed.’ I mean literally,†White House press secretary Tony Snow said in an interview.
Um…no. GIs are getting killed. You on the other hand are living a very cozy life. Why does Tony Snow belittle our troops?
September 8th, 2007 at 10:51 pm“You on the other hand are living a very cozy life.”
Comment by dlet — September 8, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
Yes, but he’s leaving because he’s pleading poverty at $168,000/year. But then he won’t have a job, so…I’m confused.
September 8th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider
Isn’t living beyond your means one of the righty accusations of the poor and middle class woes?
September 8th, 2007 at 11:05 pmComment by dlet — September 8, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
Well, I know that it’s MY woe right now. :(
September 8th, 2007 at 11:09 pmSnowjob’s parting shot as he turns back into dust.
September 8th, 2007 at 11:15 pm$168,000 and he needs more for his health expenses. What does that tell you?
September 8th, 2007 at 11:15 pmYear…. Jan..Feb..Mar..Apr..May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2003…… 0—-0 –65 –74–37– 30–48–35– 31–44–82–40
2004—- 47–20–52–135-80—42–54–66–80—64-137-72
2005….107–58–35–52–80—78–54–85–49—96–84–68
2006…..62—55–31–76–69—61–43–65–72–106-70–112
2007…..83—81–81-104-126-101-79–84–18—0—0—-0
Please note:
Jan 05, was the only year that we lost more troops than this year in Jan.
April 04, was the only year that we lost more troops than this year in April.
August 05, we lost one more than last year in August.
All the rest of the months in all of the rest of the years we have lost more this year.
Please tell me how this is working????
September 8th, 2007 at 11:16 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider — September 8, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
I hear you. I am scraping by but slowly climbing…at least I think so…
It’s crazy living in NYC and making good money and seem to be stuck in neutral and yet you see mad money made by people that you wonder how the heck they do it and why are they paid that for the “services” they provide which is essentially moving phantom numbers and info to somewhere else….nothing tangible or concrete. That’s my soapbox for the night….tired and sleepy…g’night all.
September 8th, 2007 at 11:18 pm…the DEMON Snowjob remains a liar…
…even in its final hours…
September 8th, 2007 at 11:22 pmAh, that elusive definition of “winning”, it’s very convenvient to have it flit like a butterfly from this to that… fascinating us all while the lives of the soldiers and the souls of the Iraqi people flutter by. He’s staying to pass the problem to the next guy. He’s staying in Iraq until he leaves office. He lied us into Iraq and that’s where he going to dump us when he’s done, the little pipsqueek. He never could clean up his own messes.
September 9th, 2007 at 12:14 amthat elusive definition of “winningâ€,
Comment by Solitaire #146
…this morning on C-Span…
…a TREASONOUS Bushite worshipping propaganda who*e…
…retired General (last name) Kean(e)…
…responding to a caller’s query about the U.S.’ arming the Sunnis- being a mistake…
…said…
…”We’re not really arming the Sunnis, they’re already armed”…
…a very telling inadvertent TRUTH…
…the Sunni (and Shi’ite) police and military are NOT being adequately equipped or armed…
…with the newest most sophisticated weaponry or intelligence gathering equipment…
…necessary for them to effectively “SECURE” their country…
…because the U.S. forces can’t TRUST that these weapons or equipment won’t be turned against them…
…moral of story?…
…the Iraqi military and police will NEVER (under U.S.occupation)…
…be allowed to “stand up”…
…so that the U.S.miltary can “stand down”…
September 9th, 2007 at 12:31 amWhat a pathetic man. He won’t be missed.
September 9th, 2007 at 5:07 amOh good, we’re winning again, and again, and again. If we’d won World War Two this many times we would only now be holding the Nuremburg trials after all the Nazi’s had died a natural death.
September 9th, 2007 at 8:31 amsnowJOB- go off into Hospice now, we’ve had enough of you and your BULLSHIT. You’re the most condescending little prick most of us have ever heard; but also about the most adept at tap dancer around teh Truth- so glib, so fast on your feet.
Now the nice high dose-druggies you’ll get as you asses your ‘life’ here before riding teh fast train to Hell (TM) will allow you to go out maybe believing that some of the lies and filth that you spewed were helpful to someone besides the NoeCON SCUM you adore.
You obviously didn’t do it for the money.
September 9th, 2007 at 10:07 amWhat war are we winning or losing? Why is it a defeat or a victory for us? When did killing, imprisoning, and torturing Iraqis become fighting for Iraq? How did we get so turned around that we don’t know who our enemies are? Who are ‘the ememy’? Those 3 and 1/2 million people that are displaced from their homes? The 1 + million dead Iraqi men women and children? The millions that have no electricity in 130 degree heat. Imagine having drinking water so polluted that even boiling it makes you sick.
I was taught that for every one person that dies, it touches at least one hundred lives. Imagine the hate that we are generating. Imagine armed gunmen breaking down your door in the middle of the night, imprisoning the men and boys, torturing them and maybe killing them. I would hate with a hate that I can’t even discribe. What would I do? God only knows, but I know it would be anything I could think of to help protect my family and country.
When did the lives of 3,000 Americans become worth more than 4 million Iraqis, that had never done anything to us? How can we justify this? How can we allow these mass murderers to continue their assault on the people of the world?
This regime has killed more Iraqis, in 5 years, than Saddam did in his 20+ years.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:11 am