Comments on: Asking the right question to Petraeus. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:57:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Steve OD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4067085 Steve OD Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:13:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4067085 "Victory would be obvious. Iraqi families would be strolling the streets of Baghdad, and Osama bin Laden would be walking out of a cave somewhere with his hands up." How could victory in Iraq possibly lead to bin Laden surrendering or being captured? Really does BS still not understand that the war on terror is not equal to the war in Iraq? “Victory would be obvious. Iraqi families would be strolling the streets of Baghdad, and Osama bin Laden would be walking out of a cave somewhere with his hands up.”

How could victory in Iraq possibly lead to bin Laden surrendering or being captured? Really does BS still not understand that the war on terror is not equal to the war in Iraq?

]]> By: ipod http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4067035 ipod Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:16:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4067035 hey #3 and #25 - why do you insist linking 9/11 and the iraq occupation and and believe that somehow it keeps you safe from islamic fundamentalists who want to kill you? - this is proof that bush's propaganda machine gives him power over weak minds hey #3 and #25 – why do you insist linking 9/11 and the iraq occupation and and believe that somehow it keeps you safe from islamic fundamentalists who want to kill you? – this is proof that bush’s propaganda machine gives him power over weak minds

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066977 kasinca Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:55:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066977 If it is only the lefties that are against this clusterf^ck called a war in Iraq...we have a majority the reichwingnuts will never defeat. 72% : 28%. If it is only the lefties that are against this clusterf^ck called a war in Iraq…we have a majority the reichwingnuts will never defeat. 72% : 28%.

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066973 kasinca Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:51:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066973 TP another IP address to banish. Comment by Habalaarz — September 9, 2007 @ 5:05 pm Anther Pee Pee alias. TP another IP address to banish.

Comment by Habalaarz — September 9, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

Anther Pee Pee alias.

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066970 kasinca Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:50:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066970 You lefties make me sick… Comment by Habalaarz — September 9, 2007 @ 5:05 pm Go enlist, sh$t for brains. www.goarmy.com www.usmc.mil Heroes like you make me sick...nothing but a chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering, coward. You lefties make me sick…

Comment by Habalaarz — September 9, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

Go enlist, sh$t for brains.

http://www.goarmy.com
http://www.usmc.mil

Heroes like you make me sick…nothing but a chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering, coward.

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066953 Chocolate Jesus Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:16:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066953 >Cost in lives and money?? This isn’t about balancing a cash drawer, your a moron. how do you get lives into a cash register.???? > this is about extending freedom and civilization. The freedom to do what? The freedom to be like Iran and support Hezbollah and Hamas is they so choose? The freedom to have a constitution where no law contradicts islam? Are these the freedoms our blood and treasure is worth buying? Oh wait,,,that already happened? >Cost in lives and money?? This isn’t about balancing a cash drawer,

your a moron. how do you get lives into a cash register.????

> this is about extending freedom and civilization.

The freedom to do what?
The freedom to be like Iran and support Hezbollah and Hamas is they so choose? The freedom to have a constitution where no law contradicts islam? Are these the freedoms our blood and treasure is worth buying?

Oh wait,,,that already happened?

]]> By: pgw http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066950 pgw Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:14:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066950 my question for petraeus would be "what drug were you taking when you said this in <strong>October 2004</strong>": <em>“MCINTYRE: There’s a big dispute, Paula, about whether the Pentagon is overstating the number of Iraqis that are truly combat ready. But the general who’s in charge of the training, very respected general, General Petraeus, insists that 100,000 is the right number out of 164,000 in Iraq."</em> [http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/01/pzn.01.html] my question for petraeus would be “what drug were you taking when you said this in October 2004“:

“MCINTYRE: There’s a big dispute, Paula, about whether the Pentagon is overstating the number of Iraqis that are truly combat ready. But the general who’s in charge of the training, very respected general, General Petraeus, insists that 100,000 is the right number out of 164,000 in Iraq.” [http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/01/pzn.01.html]

]]> By: Habalaarz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066898 Habalaarz Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:05:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066898 <blockquote> This isn’t about balancing a cash drawer, this is about extending freedom and civilization. </blockquote> It is amazing how far the left will go to take the emphasis away from where it rightly belongs, namely, on the Global War on Terror. <blockquote> I for one am tired of hearing retired generals, family members of soldiers and the liberal media trying to undercut our progress.</blockquote> So I am, especially when all they have are manipulative arguments designed to scare the Leftist base.<blockquote> We have the soldiers there, they know how to do the job and they will stay there until their commander-in-chief decides they are needed elsewhere.</blockquote> It's like the far-left fringe has forgotten that the US Military is superior to all others!<blockquote> We are not going to finish the work we started after 9/11 if we give up now. It’s time we all supported our President. Comment by Patriot Wanda — September 9, 2007 @ 3:42 pm</blockquote> Real Americans do, but you'll never see one of these anti-American Leftists admit that the President of the United States knows more about these matters than their beloved Olby or Chomsky!!! You lefties make me sick...

This isn’t about balancing a cash drawer, this is about extending freedom and civilization.

It is amazing how far the left will go to take the emphasis away from where it rightly belongs, namely, on the Global War on Terror.

I for one am tired of hearing retired generals, family members of soldiers and the liberal media trying to undercut our progress.

So I am, especially when all they have are manipulative arguments designed to scare the Leftist base.

We have the soldiers there, they know how to do the job and they will stay there until their commander-in-chief decides they are needed elsewhere.

It’s like the far-left fringe has forgotten that the US Military is superior to all others!

We are not going to finish the work we started after 9/11 if we give up now. It’s time we all supported our President.
Comment by Patriot Wanda — September 9, 2007 @ 3:42 pm

Real Americans do, but you’ll never see one of these anti-American Leftists admit that the President of the United States knows more about these matters than their beloved Olby or Chomsky!!!

You lefties make me sick…

]]> By: Erroll http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066880 Erroll Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:42:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066880 #25- "The soldiers know how to do the job". You sound as if you received your talking points from the mouths of Walt Rostow and McGeorge Bundy, key figures in the LBJ administration. Extending freedom and civilization? Those words ring very hollow considering that the vast majority of Iraqis justifiably want the U.S. to stop occupying and brutalizing its citizens. You decry any talk about the "cost in lives and money." Again, those words were heard forty years ago during the Vietnam era and ended up costing this country close to 60,000 American lives, all dying, just like in Iraq, for a lost cause. #25-

“The soldiers know how to do the job”. You sound as if you received your talking points from the mouths of Walt Rostow and McGeorge Bundy, key figures in the LBJ administration. Extending freedom and civilization? Those words ring very hollow considering that the vast majority of Iraqis justifiably want the U.S. to stop occupying and brutalizing its citizens. You decry any talk about the “cost in lives and money.” Again, those words were heard forty years ago during the Vietnam era and ended up costing this country close to 60,000 American lives, all dying, just like in Iraq, for a lost cause.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066866 BARTLEBEE Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:25:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066866 I'm serious about my question. What does killing Iraqi Sunni Muslims have to do with keeping Osama Bin Laden and Alquaida in Pakistan from attacking the US? How does that work exactly? Are they too busy watching the war in Iraq on TV to attack us or something? Please someone explain the reasoning behind the claim that the war in Iraq keeps Alquaida in Pakistan from attacking us. I’m serious about my question. What does killing Iraqi Sunni Muslims have to do with keeping Osama Bin Laden and Alquaida in Pakistan from attacking the US?

How does that work exactly? Are they too busy watching the war in Iraq on TV to attack us or something?

Please someone explain the reasoning behind the claim that the war in Iraq keeps Alquaida in Pakistan from attacking us.

]]> By: JosephW http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066831 JosephW Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:57:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066831 Meant to add to the above post: *Yes, I'm aware of the correct Dan Ackroyd quote to Jane Curtin on the GOOD "Saturday Night Live" Weekend Update bit. I just wasn't sure it would pass ThinkProgress's screens. Meant to add to the above post:

*Yes, I’m aware of the correct Dan Ackroyd quote to Jane Curtin on the GOOD “Saturday Night Live” Weekend Update bit. I just wasn’t sure it would pass ThinkProgress’s screens.

]]> By: JosephW http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066819 JosephW Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:44:13 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066819 <i>Instead of that question, let’s hope the general will be asked what we so often forgot during Vietnam: Is this worth the cost in lives and money?</i> Well, the main rationale (or excuse) that Shrub uses in keeping our troops over there is that so many have already died. Let's just keep them all over there so those who've already died won't have died "in vain". And every additional serviceperson who dies just adds to those who mustn't have died "in vain". I just hope all those people who knew Shrub during his National Guard jaunt and have kept their silence over what he was really doing and where he really was can live with themselves after this nightmare is finally done. (More importantly, I hope those who consider themselves real Christians are able to go to their deathbeds with a full and clear conscience because their afterlives are going to be spent in a most unpleasant location. The only consolation I get from the real Christians is that Protestant teachings DON'T allow for deathbed confessions as a kind of "get out of Hell free" card; I know the Roman Catholic teaching isn't quite like that either, but you're at least given a chance to avoid the worst tortures of the damned.) Instead of that question, let’s hope the general will be asked what we so often forgot during Vietnam: Is this worth the cost in lives and money?

Well, the main rationale (or excuse) that Shrub uses in keeping our troops over there is that so many have already died. Let’s just keep them all over there so those who’ve already died won’t have died “in vain”. And every additional serviceperson who dies just adds to those who mustn’t have died “in vain”.
I just hope all those people who knew Shrub during his National Guard jaunt and have kept their silence over what he was really doing and where he really was can live with themselves after this nightmare is finally done. (More importantly, I hope those who consider themselves real Christians are able to go to their deathbeds with a full and clear conscience because their afterlives are going to be spent in a most unpleasant location. The only consolation I get from the real Christians is that Protestant teachings DON’T allow for deathbed confessions as a kind of “get out of Hell free” card; I know the Roman Catholic teaching isn’t quite like that either, but you’re at least given a chance to avoid the worst tortures of the damned.)

]]> By: Patriot Wanda http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066816 Patriot Wanda Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:42:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066816 Cost in lives and money?? This isn't about balancing a cash drawer, this is about extending freedom and civilization. I for one am tired of hearing retired generals, family members of soldiers and the liberal media trying to undercut our progress. We have the soldiers there, they know how to do the job and they will stay there until their commander-in-chief decides they are needed elsewhere. We are not going to finish the work we started after 9/11 if we give up now. It's time we all supported our President. Cost in lives and money?? This isn’t about balancing a cash drawer, this is about extending freedom and civilization. I for one am tired of hearing retired generals, family members of soldiers and the liberal media trying to undercut our progress. We have the soldiers there, they know how to do the job and they will stay there until their commander-in-chief decides they are needed elsewhere. We are not going to finish the work we started after 9/11 if we give up now. It’s time we all supported our President.

]]> By: bcinaz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066798 bcinaz Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:26:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066798 I have another question; what is the goal in Iraq? I mean really; If it were political reconciliation the State Department should have become a much larger presence in Bagdad and Condi would be spending weeks at a time in the Greene zone. I think, no matter what, the end result is going to be the worlds largest embassy guarded by 100,000 marines, controlling the worlds second largest oil reserves until the oil runs out. I have another question; what is the goal in Iraq? I mean really; If it were political reconciliation the State Department should have become a much larger presence in Bagdad and Condi would be spending weeks at a time in the Greene zone.

I think, no matter what, the end result is going to be the worlds largest embassy guarded by 100,000 marines, controlling the worlds second largest oil reserves until the oil runs out.

]]> By: www.headybrew.net http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066697 www.headybrew.net Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:04:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066697 RIGHT ON! He has it figured out. Unfortunately, Bush already knows we are not winning. He just want's to use patreaus to spin the loss into a victory. You watch, in the end bush will get a percentage of the american population to believe that the "surge" was a success, and then he'll start pulling troops out, decalaring it was a successful war. And that percentage of americans will vote for the next republican president. sad... RIGHT ON! He has it figured out.

Unfortunately, Bush already knows we are not winning. He just want’s to use patreaus to spin the loss into a victory.

You watch, in the end bush will get a percentage of the american population to believe that the “surge” was a success, and then he’ll start pulling troops out, decalaring it was a successful war. And that percentage of americans will vote for the next republican president.

sad…

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066692 BARTLEBEE Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:57:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066692 Well Redneckstate? Where's the explanation? How does us fighting and killing Iraqi's, keep Osama Bin Ladens Al Quaida, which is in PAKISTAN, from attacking the US? Come on. I'm all ears. Well Redneckstate?

Where’s the explanation?

How does us fighting and killing Iraqi’s, keep Osama Bin Ladens Al Quaida, which is in PAKISTAN, from attacking the US?

Come on. I’m all ears.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066674 Marie Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:37:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066674 The commentary carries a bit more weight because it is coming from a Texas Republican. The commentary carries a bit more weight because it is coming from a Texas Republican.

]]> By: ∞Ω http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066666 ∞Ω Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:32:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066666 <em>This war will continue to go on as long as Bush is President. Comment by CaptainVideo</em> That, Sir, is a given.  This war will continue to go on as long as Bush is President.
Comment by CaptainVideo

That, Sir, is a given.
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]]> By: CaptainVideo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066656 CaptainVideo Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:24:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066656 We are facing the same kind of situation in Iraq that Britain faced during the American Revolution. The British won some battle and lost some, but they could not defeat the American Revolutionaries. But the American Revolutionaries could not militarily defeat the British forces either. After the surrender at Yorktown the British still had many more troops in New York than surrendered at Yorktown, and they could easily have sent more reinforcements. But after Yorktown the Tories in Parliament were defeated by the Whigs who decided that the cost of holding on to the colonies exceeded the benefit and decided to cut Britains losses by withdrawing. Similarly it is going to require the victory of a Democratic President with the guts to cut our losses to get us out of a war whose costs far exceed any gains from staying. (It is not clear that Hillary would be such a President.) This war will continue to go on as long as Bush is President. We are facing the same kind of situation in Iraq that Britain faced during the American Revolution. The British won some battle and lost some, but they could not defeat the American Revolutionaries. But the American Revolutionaries could not militarily defeat the British forces either. After the surrender at Yorktown the British still had many more troops in New York than surrendered at Yorktown, and they could easily have sent more reinforcements. But after Yorktown the Tories in Parliament were defeated by the Whigs who decided that the cost of holding on to the colonies exceeded the benefit and decided to cut Britains losses by withdrawing. Similarly it is going to require the victory of a Democratic President with the guts to cut our losses to get us out of a war whose costs far exceed any gains from staying. (It is not clear that Hillary would be such a President.) This war will continue to go on as long as Bush is President.

]]> By: jb http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-4066648 jb Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:21:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/09/asking-the-right-question-to-petraeus/#comment-4066648 Freedom isn't cheap.....evidently neither is theocracy. The cost in blood and wealth to install a christo theocracy here in USA and a Shia threocracy in Iraq has indeed cost plenty. Freedom isn’t cheap…..evidently neither is theocracy. The cost in blood and wealth to install a christo theocracy here in USA and a Shia threocracy in Iraq has indeed cost plenty.

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