Petraeus Falsely Claims That Six Months Ago, ‘No One Would Have Forecast’ Anbar’s Success
Petraeus Falsely Claims That Six Months Ago, ‘No One Would Have Forecast’ Anbar’s Success
Today in his testimony to the House, Gen. David Petraeus cited the reduced violence in the Anbar province as evidence that President Bush’s “surge” is working. He added that it would be “premature” to withdraw U.S. troops now, because in January, “no one would have dared to forecast that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has in the past 6 months“:
However, in my professional judgment, it would be premature to make recommendations on the pace of such reductions at this time. In fact, our experience in Iraq has repeatedly shown that projecting too far into the future is not just difficult, it can be misleading and even hazardous. The events of the past six months underscore that point. When I testified in January, for example, no one would have dared to forecast that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has in the past 6 months.
Watch it:
Yet in testimony to the Senate Armed Services Commitee six months ago — just two weeks after Bush first announced his escalation plans — Petraeus admitted that in Anbar, there already appeared “to be a trend in the positive direction where sheikhs are stepping up”:
You’ve seen it, I know, in Anbar province, where it has sort of gone back and forth. And right now there appears to be a trend in the positive direction where sheikhs are stepping up and they do want to be affiliated with and supported by the U.S. Marines and Army forces who are in Anbar province. That was not the case as little as perhaps six months ago, or certainly before that. [Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, 1/23/07]
Bush’s “surge” is not responsible for progress in Anbar. The Sunni sheik who forged the alliance with the Americans “traced the decision to fight al-Qaeda to Sept. 14, 2006, long before the new Bush strategy.” Nevertheless, the Bush administration “dispatched another 4,000 U.S. troops to Anbar to exploit the situation.”
Last week, CNN correspondent Michael Ware also noted that the Sunni insurgency in Anbar offered to work with U.S. troops — not the Iraqi government — to fight al Qaeda in 2003, but the United States rejected the offer. Only “after four years of bloodshed” was the United States “finally ready to accept those terms.”
UPDATE: The Gavel has video of the opening statements by House Armed Services Committee chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) and Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Tom Lantos (D-CA).
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Regardless of who gets the credit or when it started looking up, Petraeus is certainly not “falsely claiming” (unless you can point to someone 6 months ago who actually dared to forecast that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has) anything in that regard.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pm1. It’s still a civil war and we have no cause to be in the middle of it, other than that old Pottery Barn rule.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:12 pmno one would have dared to forecast that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has in the past 6 months.
The operative words “transformed the way it has”, a huge difference from “appeared to be a trend”.
Petr saw the trend but he couldnt have known the huge success reaped in Anbar would come as quickly and completely as it has.
This is another example of the simple-minded parsing which normally occurs at TP.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:13 pmIt’s still a civil war and we have no cause to be in the middle of it, other than that old Pottery Barn rule.
Great, I look forward to the cessation of posts lamenting Iraqi civilian deaths on this site.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pmDeaN CT: What is a “paid flamer”? You sound homophobic. Are you?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pmWar was lost in 2003. Now we are just beating dead horse.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pmThe old pottery barn rule eh? Ethics escape you?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pmNo. 5.: Do you lament the 28,000 American wounded? Been to the VA, lately, dickhead?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI’m still waiting for TP to point to someone who actually dared to forecast 6 months ago that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:19 pmNo one would have predicted that a US general would be arming and giving money and ammunition to Sunnis and Saddamists and dead enders who have been killing American troops.
-GSD
September 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pmThe old pottery barn rule eh? Ethics escape you?
Comment by Turd Ferguson — September 10, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
When did the Constitution get replaced with the policy manual from a department store?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmCan’t we just declare victory and GTFO?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThis General is a COMPLETE TOOL of the completely corrupt GW BOTCH misAdministration!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:23 pm#
Can’t we just declare victory and GTFO?
Comment by warwhatisitgoodfor — September 10, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
“Mission Accomplished” …..
September 10th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWow, the region that has 5% of the population is still the second deadliest for our troops. Big improvement.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:23 pmJake(off) D(ick) = TROLL!
IGNORE!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pm‘Mission Accomplished II, Anbar’
September 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pmhttp://www.unknownnews.org/070910a-KevinGood.html
Great, I look forward to the cessation of posts lamenting Iraqi civilian deaths on this site.
Comment by Japaner — September 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
WTF???? Try making “sense”…
September 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pmHERE IS THE FULL VIDEO OF THE PETRAEUS REPORT, for those who haven’t seen it:
http://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=8861802a-115f-4506-aa24-08c389ead8c0
September 10th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBush will continue to listen to his Generals as long as the White House writes the reports.
‘Gimmee a Freidman’, now; S! I! X! Six more months!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:26 pmMan…
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmWhere is Bill Clinton when you need him. He knew what he was doing when he spoke about irap all those years ago… Plus he would never put us in the middle of a civil war without an exit strategy, I mean look at Kosovo!!! Duh!!! (eyes rolling)
I like how Hunter and Skelton et al are trying to frame this up as a “Gen. P. is totally honest and unbiased, therefore everyone must agree with his testimony”
I’m sure Hunter said exactly the same thing about super-patriot Duke Cunningham when he came under scrutiny.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pm#
I’m still waiting for TP to point to someone who actually dared to forecast 6 months ago that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
You’re jumping around here a little too much, Jerk D. All TP did was quote Petraeus’ own words. It’s not up to TP to substantiate Petraeus’ claim for his sake.
Nice try. Yer comment is a strawman, but hey, you can’t tell the difference between basketball and football, or keep your own age straight. Go figure.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmNo. 5.: Do you lament the 28,000 American wounded? Been to the VA, lately, dickhead?
Yep, I drive every other night for the DAV, usually shuttling vets from their homes to the VA facilities in the Twin Cities. Ill leave the the slanderous honorifics to you intelligent types.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmwarwhatisitgood for; I’m with you. Declare victory and go home. (1966)
September 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmWow TP is smearing the good name of General Petareus while he is still sitting in the chair. Impressive. I guess these are the kind of News items you get when you have a thousand monkeys at a thousand computers.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmIt sounds like the trolls had their talking points arranged for them in advance today. It makes sense. The right wing noise machine has no doubt spent weeks preparing their strategy around the phony Petraeus report.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI mean look at Kosovo!!! Duh!!! (eyes rolling)
Comment by Joneser — September 10, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Whilst living w/ your won incohernecy may not be a problem for you, on this end, all one can say is, WTF???
September 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThis is how traitors like TP get when they’re faced with incontrovertible testimony by an independent general: they personally attack him to discredit him. This TP accusation is based on the libtarded slant of the WP; WP is discreditable because of its bias against the war. Further laughable is the fraud that based on the claim that one sheik apparently “entered” into an agreement with the US in fall 06, TP accuses Petraeus of lying. Articles written even by the WP–which TP has posted here in earlier weeks–contain quotes from Sunnis AND US generals testifying to the fact that the Sunnis were actually encouraged by the US surge to fight Al-Qaeda. In other words, without the surge, the Sunnis obviously would NOT have had the wherewithal to fight Al-Qaeda. Further destroying TP’s lies is the fact that if the Sunnis were already working with the US against Qaeda in 06, then why is news of the improvement in Anbar only emerging now, post-surge?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWhy are all of the TP posts negative?? What about the 30,000 troops out by next summer business??
September 10th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI’m still waiting for TP to point to someone who actually dared to forecast 6 months ago that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has.
Um, try this very post, dumbass. Petraeus himself. Ever heard of him?
That. Was. The. Point.
As for “the way it has,” I guess you mean “not very much.”
All those American lives: wasted. Pissed away. Nothing to show for it.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm.
WTF???? Try making “senseâ€â€¦
I did, perhaps you should try harder at comprehending. Read the post I was referring to and put the pieces together, youll get it eventually.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pmRegardless of who gets the credit or when it started looking up, Petraeus is certainly not “falsely claiming†(unless you can point to someone 6 months ago who actually dared to forecast that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has) anything in that regard.
Comment by Jake D.
Things are not looking up, this is a lie, we all know it and most are sick to death of our air waves spewing LIES.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pmAfter our illegal immoral Shock and Awe, if our government sincerely wanted to rebuild Iraq, prevent civil war we would have gone along with the Iraqi peoples request… that is let the Iraqi people rebuild their own country… as they put it - they could do it pennies on the dollar. A healthy growing employed nation most likely would resist civil war.
The very reason this is ignored gives suspect to the real intentions of the Bush thug administration.
With the long-awaited surge progress report from General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker due beginning today, Perrspectives has updated its Iraq Document Center. The repository includes the latest news, statistics, key reports and other essential materials surrounding the Iraq war and its run-up.
For the overview, see:
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“Required Reading for Petraeus, Crocker Testimony.”
I’m still waiting for TP to point to someone who actually dared to forecast 6 months ago that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
“You’ve seen it, I know, in Anbar province, where it has sort of gone back and forth. And right now there appears to be a trend in the positive direction where sheikhs are stepping up and they do want to be affiliated with and supported by the U.S. Marines and Army forces who are in Anbar province. That was not the case as little as perhaps six months ago, or certainly before that. [Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, 1/23/07]” Petraeus, General Ass-Kisser-In-Chief, dingleberry Cluster
Who’s reading to you, Jake?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“incontrovertible testimony”?
Petraeus’ bullshit was dead before it hit the floor. Crap like that only works on people who can’t count.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pm.
Stand back, I believe the Generals pants are on fire!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmWow TP is smearing the good name of General Petareus while he is still sitting in the chair. Impressive. I guess these are the kind of News items you get when you have a thousand monkeys at a thousand computers.
Comment by Another Chris — September 10, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Or one monkey in front of a camera.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI’m absolutely sure that the withdrawal by next summer was in no way timed for the elections. I do believe in fairies. I do, I do, I do!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmhttp://mfile.akamai.com/ 5020/ wma/ rushlimb.download.akamai.com/ 5020/ New/ wehatetheusa.asx
This sums up the left.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pmthis guy’s a politician. people are talking about him running for president. should we expect anything other than distortions, misleading statements, coverups and outright lies?
it’s the nature of the beast. and the beast lies even more in wartime.
That’s my rant. read on if you’d like:
September 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“Politicians Lie? Say it Ain’t So!”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ politicians_lie___say_it_ain_t_so
I love how all you people are combat and war experts! THE SURGE WASN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY SUCCESS! IT WAS SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE SURGE, DEFINITELY NOT THE SURGE THOUGH. DEFINITELY NOT.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pm“Appears to be a trend” is supposed to be synonamous with “transformed the way it has”, i.e. incredibly successful?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pmComment by Petraeushandingsmackdowntolibtards — September 10, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
your….littttlllee..tteeny…tinnny…memBrain IS NOT WORKING HERE!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pmGo away RepugliscumTard!!!
#4 Dean CT,
This is the third time in a week that ThinkProgress has printed this lie and it is the third time this week they have been caught…It looks like they are relying as the repetitive lie method — Repeat a lie often enough and, hopefully, someone will end up believing it. Fortunately, everytime they shamelessly try to pass off this hoax, they get caught.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pmLet me explain the “Betrayus” thing. First of all it’s lame, Sean Hannity crap. Accuse the opposition of being a traitor. That said, Bush has so far fired EVERY general who said anything that disagreed with his party line and propaganda. He has thrown every other general he’s had under the bus.
The very idea that there are any corners of the government left which are impartial and nonpartisan is bullsh!t. That is why we are all over Petraeus. This is a setup just like all the other setups.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThinkProgress has been overrun by trolls! We may have to destroy ThinkProgess in order to save it.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pmBobwurst - anyone with an opposing view is classified as a troll in your book. The overrun is true in that there are many more people with an opposing view in this country than you thought.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pmAs Japaner pointed out:
The operative words “transformed the way it hasâ€, a huge difference from “appeared to be a trendâ€. Petr[aeus] saw the trend but he couldn’t have known the huge success reaped in Anbar would come as quickly and completely as it has. This is another example of the simple-minded parsing which normally occurs at TP.
TP put these two quotes together, along with the headline: “Petraeus Falsely Claims That Six Months Ago, ‘No One Would Have Forecast’ Anbar’s Success” to feed the Bush haters.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pmTHE SURGE WASN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY SUCCESS! IT WAS SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE SURGE, DEFINITELY NOT THE SURGE THOUGH. DEFINITELY NOT.
Comment by Eatery — September 10, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
What success? There is no success until American soldiers aren’t being blown to pieces every damn day, idiot.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThe RNC plants are certainly here just for this article…. tell me trolls - Why do you continue to support these obvious lies and this corrupt administration?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
LONGTIME TROLL!!! IGNORE!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:39 pmFortunately, everytime they shamelessly try to pass off this hoax, they get caught.
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
and every time Betryus speaks, he lies, and gets caught. Every time.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:40 pmMr sack, and anyone who disagrees with you is a traitor, what’s your point?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:40 pmThe Petraeus testimony is irrelevant. Bush is going to stay the course NO MATTER WHAT. That much is clear. Petraeus is just the latest in a long line of fig leaves, each of which has given the administration less cover than the last. Bush will drag the GOP into oblivion by the time he leaves office.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:40 pmOr one monkey in front of a camera.
More proof that the liberals really do love the troops. Slurs like this have become so common that they rarely shock me anymore, rarely.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:40 pmTP put these two quotes together, along with the headline: “Petraeus Falsely Claims That Six Months Ago, ‘No One Would Have Forecast’ Anbar’s Success†to feed the Bush haters.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Still allergic to the truth, Jake? That’s what that (R) means, allergic to truth.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
See #54…
September 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“I’m in the U.S. illegally.
Comment by Bobwurst ”
I rest my case, mr. sack.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pmMr sack, and anyone who disagrees with you is a traitor, what’s your point?
Comment by Bobwurst — September 10, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Who said anything about being a traitor? I just made a statement that the trolls (as you put them) are overrunning because they far outnumber your point of view. Get with the program.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pmMore proof that the liberals really do love the troops. Slurs like this have become so common that they rarely shock me anymore, rarely.
Comment by Japaner — September 10, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
the fact that you have happily sold your country out to enrich the already wealthy traitors that laugh at you all the way to the bank no longer shocks me, either.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:42 pm“It’s a quagmire”
Dick Cheney on the idea of invading and occupying Iraq, 1994
Why does Dick Cheney Past hate the troops? Was he saying the Future Troops are imcompetent? Didn’t he realize we would be turning the corner every six months? WTF?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:43 pmGet with the program.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Nah, you’re already with the program. still getting your marching orders from traitor Kristol, i see.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:43 pmWhat success? There is no success until American soldiers aren’t being blown to pieces every damn day, idiot.
Comment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
You forget that the Repugs and the BushCo enablers don’t give a shit about the troops: They are just numbers (or commas in Snow-job’s words). Since they have a dogtag, they are US property, to be used as Darth and the NeoCons see fit.
And Petraeus is the worsat kind of military keader, one who puts everything else in front of his troops’ safety; his career, politics, his next star and his morals. Guess that is why he is one of the few senior Generals left who will still carry the BushCo water. I just hope it breaks his f’ing back.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pmExcuse me, “progress” as it says in the article above.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pmLet’s see, an elected Congress votes for the war and the war begins. Almost immediately a liberal base protests against the war and begins disinformation campaigns to do anything they can to undermine the effort and stop the war. I don’t know how you define treason, but I think that shoe fits pretty well with the anti-war movement.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pmTrolls are always outnembered 6 to 1 by patriots here. The trolls are only 2 or 3, with dozens of sock-puppets. They represent the ever-shrinking, brain-dead, troop-hating rightwing basketcases left holding the Bush bag of shit.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:45 pmPersonal attacks are not necessary ronjazz. I mis-typed. No need for immature name calling here.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:46 pmMore proof that the liberals really do love the troops. Slurs like this have become so common that they rarely shock me anymore, rarely.
Comment by Japaner — September 10, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Criticizing one corrupt general for being a partisan political hack and Bush sycophant is slurring the troops how?
This sort of low rhetorical garbage is typical of the guttersnipes who troll for Bush these days.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:46 pm“I just made a statement that the trolls (as you put them) are overrunning because they far outnumber your point of view. Get with the program.
Comment by John Sacks”
Really? maybe in the troll population, but not overall:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
Namejacking idiots are part of your program.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:46 pmLet’s see, an elected Congress votes for the war and the war begins. Almost immediately a liberal base protests against the war and begins disinformation campaigns to do anything they can to undermine the effort and stop the war. I don’t know how you define treason, but I think that shoe fits pretty well with the anti-war movement.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Johnny Coward, not posting from iraq, when you open your post with a lie, don’t expect anybody to read the rest. You’re some f*cking stupid, boy.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmThere really is no such thing as a left winged patriot since you really do have to be a nationalist, not a “one world government” type to be a patriot. Given that the liberals are pushing for world socialism then it is impossible for any liberal to be a patriot.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI don’t know how you define treason, but I think that shoe fits pretty well with the anti-war movement.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
No, it’s called Democracy, and we WILL get our counbtry back, and clean the BushCo shitstains off the constitution too. Life will be better for you as well. You will see, just don’t fear the change.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmLet’s see, an elected Congress votes for the war and the war begins. Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
You forgot the part where the Bush administration LIED about the intelligence to gin up a war.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI wonder what it says when you disparage the highest ranking general of United States… What does that say about your view of our military? Or what of the level of condescension TP’ers have for the best men and women who volunteer and sacrifice thanklessly for their belief in their country. Are they idiots? are they followers? are they ignorant? are they kids, children? Because they left their comfortable chairs at home and decided to hangout in 100+ degree whether for fun? Well then again… maybe its harder to leave your comfy couch and die your hair pink.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmThe actual reality that the overwhelming majority of those men and women don’t remotely share your outlook of what we are doing there, doesn’t dawn on you? Mainly, because they are there seeing it everyday?
Sorry ron but I cant accept your faux concern for the troops. In one post you refer to General Petr as a monkey, in a following post you profess concern that our troops are being blown-up, then again you slander Petr as “Betrayus”. General Petraeus is a troop is he not?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:48 pmMy analysis of TP’s troll presense means a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y squat.
I’ve been trying to get a job with TP as a paid troll statistician, but they keep hanging up on me.
:(
September 10th, 2007 at 3:49 pmI hear that TP is producing a fictional account, post after post, to propose as a scripted replacement for ‘Passions’ on NBC. They want to call it “Vietraq†or some else equally retarded.
Comment by Dean CT — September 10, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
well, they figured the White House long-running fiction about “turning hte corner”, etc., etc., is selling pretty well, but now they know that it isn’t, so they’ll just continue going with the truth, until you stop the lies. Isn’t it always the way: we’ll stop telling the truth about you when you stop lying about us.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:49 pm” LIED ” - the old false comeback of a liberal with no substance in their debate. Again we are back to the liberal “I know you are but what am I” way of debating. Good luck.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:49 pmCriticizing one corrupt general for being a partisan political hack and Bush sycophant is slurring the troops how?
Because the bushtards have to change the subject from the argument they can’t make to how mean we are. It’s the whining of losers.
Petraeus has gone the way of Powell. Apparently, the bushtards think they can hide bullshit behind a title.
Uh, no. You already lost, thanks for playing.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pm.
No, it’s called Democracy, and we WILL get our counbtry back, and clean the BushCo shitstains off the constitution too. Life will be better for you as well. You will see, just don’t fear the change.
Demcracy is when we accept the results of an election then cary out what ever agenda the election resolved. In the case of the Iraq war, it was that - war. Undermining this after it was decided by Congress to move forward is not democracy but closer to anarchy or mob rule.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pm9 American soldiers killed in Iraq
September 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmBAGHDAD - Nine American soldiers died in Iraq on Monday — all but one killed in vehicle accidents in and around Baghdad, the military said.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmThe actual reality that the overwhelming majority of those men and women don’t remotely share your outlook of what we are doing there, doesn’t dawn on you? Mainly, because they are there seeing it everyday?
Comment by Joneser — September 10, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
The military is split about 50/50 same as the rest of the country. The brave men and women, are part of a volunteer army that is supposed to defend the US. Use of these men and women for empire building, and to settle a personal grudge is poor leadership.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmI wonder what it says when you disparage the highest ranking general of United States
Comment by Joneser — September 10, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Uh, maybe it says that you believe that the highest ranking general of the United States isn’t doing his job. Is this somehow against the rules in your mind? Thou shalt not criticize one’s leaders? This might be how poeple in your authoritarian cult think, but it isn’t how democracy works in this country.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmthe old false comeback of a liberal with no substance
Wow, you haven’t even read the post, have you? It’s right there, above your stupidity. Right at the top of the page.
You can lead a bushtard to water, but you can’t make him think.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pm.
Comment by Another Chris — September 10, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Still hanging around, petending you’re something you’re not, huh?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmI wonder what it says when you disparage the highest ranking general of United States… What does that say about your view of our military?
It says that even the highest-ranking general of the United States is a scum-sucker capable of selling his country out. It has happened countless times throughout history. It also says that America can only be defeated by the rightwing robots continuing to suck off Bushco puppets.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe military is split about 50/50 same as the rest of the country
I call BS on that comment. Back that up soldier.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmOr one monkey in front of a camera.
More proof that the liberals really do love the troops. Slurs like this have become so common that they rarely shock me anymore, rarely.
Comment by Japaner — September 10, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Like conservatives supported Jack Murtha or John Kerry, Shinseki or teh generals who have come out calling for a change in strategy or the troops who authored an op-ed for the Times? Like Dick Cheney supported the troops in Vietnam by securing five deferments? Like George W. Bush supported his comrades fighting in southeast Asia by keeping the skies above Alabama safe from communists (when he wasn’t working on political campaigns, that is)?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmBAGHDAD - Nine American soldiers died in Iraq on Monday — all but one killed in vehicle accidents in and around Baghdad, the military said.
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September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pm†LIED †- the old false comeback of a liberal with no substance in their debate. Again we are back to the liberal “I know you are but what am I†way of debating. Good luck.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
WHINING ABOUT GETTING CAUGHT LYING - the old false comeback of a conservative with no substance in their debate. Again we are back to the conservative “I know you are but what am I” way of debating when they’re caught LYING. Good Luck - LIAR!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmComment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Your comment is dumb and completely out of touch with recent and well documented history!
You seem to be another useless troll ‘roun’ here!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmBAGHDAD - Nine American soldiers died in Iraq on Monday — all but one killed in vehicle accidents in and around Baghdad, the military said.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmUndermining this after it was decided by Congress to move forward is not democracy but closer to anarchy or mob rule.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
HUH??? WTF???
Try “making sense”…
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pm#48, let us not act like the reich but merely walk away…..Leave it to the black hearted little troll’s and it will be fixed or not as TP chooses……That will prove just how Thinking progressive they are wont it…….Blessings
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pm†LIED †- the old false comeback of a liberal with no substance in their debate. Again we are back to the liberal “I know you are but what am I†way of debating. Good luck.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
False comeback? So, all of the WMDs are where? Your back yard?
Lies, moron, the coin of the rightwing realm. lies, more and more, better and better, but lies just the same.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThis is the third time in a week that ThinkProgress has printed this lie and it is the third time this week they have been caught…It looks like they are relying as the repetitive lie method
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Sorry, I’m still searching for your outrage regarding a select few who call Obama, “Osama”. Not having much success, mind you, but I am still searching.
Meanwhile, what exactly is “the lie” TP is repeating? Not “what you feel” is a lie. Exact lies, please.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmAgain, here is the FULL VIDEO OF THE PETRAEUS REPORT:
http://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=76ca1a48-5aaf-4641-b1e8-074da3b68de8
September 10th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“Let’s see, an elected Congress votes for the war and the war begins. Almost immediately a liberal base protests against the war and begins disinformation campaigns to do anything they can to undermine the effort and stop the war. I don’t know how you define treason, but I think that shoe fits pretty well with the anti-war movement.
Comment by John Sacks ”
Funny you see it that way. what exactly was the disinformation campaign you speak of? Was it the campaign to convince the country that there really wasn’t any WMD in Iraq? Was it the campaign to convince the nation that Saddam really didn’t pose a clear and imminent threat to our country? That there were no connections between Iraq and the 9-11 attacks? Enlighten me here mr sack.
Becuse the way I see is the country was lied into a war, and the few patriots who see through the lie use their first amendment rights to speak out against an injustice . And now 4 plus years later after we’ve suffered through the worst managment of two wars this country has ever seen, the public has come to the conclusion that the war is a mistake,and bush couldn’t manage a paper route much less a war.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:54 pmron “hugh†jazz is full of crap. She is a confused and angry adolescent and nothing more. Personal attacks from hugh to follow.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmCriticizing one corrupt general for being a partisan political hack and Bush sycophant is slurring the troops how?
How is he corrupt, I really want to know?
And please refrain from the usual schlockery that Petr is a “sock puppet”, “lying turd”, “Chimpy mouthpiece” or any of the other juvenile slander that is such a staple of the libs on this site.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pm“The lie” has never been figured out. The ole WMD thing was not a lie so if you call that a lie then you are just wrong. I guess if a hollywood type says there are lies, then there must be lies regardless of reality.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmBAGHDAD - Nine American soldiers died in Iraq on Monday — all but one killed in vehicle accidents in and around Baghdad, the military said.
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Comment by Tobey Tall — September 10, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
We must defeat the vehicle accidents in Iraq so we don’t have to
September 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmThe actual reality that the overwhelming majority of those men and women don’t remotely share your outlook of
Don’t you ever get sick of being wrong?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmron “hugh†jazz is full of crap. She is a confused and angry adolescent and nothing more. Personal attacks from hugh to follow.
Comment by Eatery — September 10, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Ah, irony, thy politics are right wing.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmYou are just wrong about that then. Noone was lied into war. The intelligence gathered by the past 3 presidents including W led to the decisions in this war. Whether they were wrong or not, there was no lie in that.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmHi, everybody! I was ‘MichaelIsretarded.’ Feel free to ignore me as regularly scheduled.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmron “hugh†jazz is full of crap. She is a confused and angry adolescent and nothing more. Personal attacks from hugh to follow.
Comment by Eatery — September 10, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Thanks, p, I knew I could count on you to cry and pout. Want a hankie? I’m so glad you have given up personal attacks.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmmr sack is hiding behind the troops again. no one can criticize a general because that will harm the morale of the people who are getting their legs blown off because this administration can’t be bothered arming them properly.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmJohn Sacks, can you point to any evidence that “War” was declared? You use that term stating we have to all accept it but there hasn’t been a declaration of war for Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmHi, everybody! I was ‘MichaelIsretarded.’ Feel free to ignore me as regularly scheduled.
Comment by UprightLeftIsDownrightStupid — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Hi everybody, Pee Stain is a NAMEJACKER, because he a whiny little Pansy that feels IGNORED in the world…
September 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmStupdity,
Man your obsessed with me, that’s not healthy.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThe ole WMD thing was not a lie …
We have a disqualification!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pm.
“The lie†has never been figured out. The ole WMD thing was not a lie so if you call that a lie then you are just wrong. I guess if a hollywood type says there are lies, then there must be lies regardless of reality.
Comment by John Small Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Oh dear lawd. John, do you just type to see your name on line?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmBecause you’ve just posted a paragraph with absolutely no substantial evidence, yet treated it as fact.
Hey, I can play that game:
Bush is a known bisexual who prefers men. I guess if you call that a lie, then you are just wrong.
It’s a troll frenzy today. The authoritarian cultists are in thrall to their leader Bush. Any attack on him is an attack on them, and nothing symbolizes Bush more than his failed war.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmDoes war actually have to be declared to take military action? State that law will you?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmEstablishing working relations with the Sunni sheikhs has clearly been a necessity ever since the Insurgency coalesced. -cognitorex blogspot-
This is from my post of January 2005 circa when Arafat died. It seemed clear that America needed a highly regarded Sunni leader that would both hold out his palm for American lucre and make political accommodation. Back then, Rummy said “It’s not like you can just pick up a phone and call these guys.” Had BushCo. tried all this would have happened earlier.
Now the Military is making nice with perceived bloody handed heavyweights, which as I wrote, was always an eventual necessity.
(excerpt “The Ghost of Arafat” Jan. 2005):
The ghost of Arafat will appear from the Sunni side and George B. to his enormous bile-choking displeasure will have to deal. Were that it were otherwise, but this is written.
Fielding one per cent of the Sunni fighting-age men as active insurgents/freedom fighters with three percent as cadre (40,000) creates a stalemate. They can not dislodge us and our Shia forces nor can we pacify them.
Personally I would find this leader (or group) now and begin the next phase. Offer them administrative control of electric and water reconstruction projects. They create no-kill, no-maim zones, implement the projects, Halliburton yes, Halliburton no, who cares, and we release the money on a quasi ‘completion’ basis.
This gambit lacks all pride and ego but we do get to stay a while.
Sarge might say “Light em if you got em,” for a change.
In a picture that makes one cringe,Abu Aardvark has commentary and a photo of Bush with a less than savory Sunni nuevo ally. (He beams in his necessary yet nefarious success.) link is http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/ abuaardvark/ 2007/ 09/ bush-and-abu-ri.html
September 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou are just wrong about that then. Noone was lied into war. Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
BHAHAHA, yeah, NO-ONE falsely cooked the book from the Pentagon Special Operations office!! You can just IGNORE the Pentagon’s OWN REPORT that showed this happened!!!
The intelligence gathered by the past 3 presidents including W led to the decisions in this war. Whether they were wrong or not, there was no lie in that.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
BAHAHA, the intelligence was COOKED and the american people were lied to by the NEO-CON F*CKERS in Rumsfeld’s private propaganda office!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmNoone was lied into war. The intelligence gathered by the past 3 presidents including W led to the decisions in this war. Whether they were wrong or not, there was no lie in that.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
You are wrong about THAT. Congress was lied into war, the “16 words” is merely one instance, along with Colin Powell’s career-ending self-destruction in front of the entire world. Lies on lies on lies. No word of truth whatsoever, and no previous presidents decided to “f*ck Saddam, we’re taking him out” because of their daddy-penis issues. History has already flunked you; you really should crawl back into your gutter, if it will have you after this embarrassing display.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmJohn Sacks is starting to sound like Jake.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmDoes war actually have to be declared to take military action? State that law will you?
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
No, but a WAR has to be declared before the for RIGHTS OF WAR are in place constitutionally! But then again, you ANTI-CONSTITUTIONALIST FASCISTS really work to SHRED OUR DEMOCRACY with your LIES, DISTORTIONS, DECEIT and MISREPRESENTATIONS!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmEverything is cooked in your world I am sure, including your own brain. Still doesn’t make you right or anything you say as true. So, since most of what you say is not true, does that make you a liar?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmJohn Sacks is starting to sound like Jake.
Comment by VerbalKint — September 10, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
They’re ALL THE SAME… Just a HAND FULL of lonely RETARDED FAT GOP NERDS!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmIf we IMPEACH CHENEY then we remove his spastic, corporate hand from the a$$ of this pusspuppet moron known as GW BOTCH!!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmPlease explain “RIGHTS OF WAR are in place constitutionally! ” and state the sections of the Constitution to go along with that.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJohn Sacks,
Military action without a clear objective cannot be justifiably sustained. The AUMF is what has sustained this current conflict. The coherent objectives have already been met. The intangible fear concept can’t be defined so I ask you where is the threat to this country that is greater than others?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmUprightLeftIsDownrightStupid has made his case for actually ranting about something it knows nothing about. Typical.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmhellinabucket - you are obviously for a complete withdrawl of our troops right?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWMD’s? Mushroom cloud? AQ connection with Saddam? Immenant threat?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmUprightLeftIsDownrightStupid has made his case for actually ranting about something it knows nothing about. Typical.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
and it applies perfectly to you. perfectly.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmronjazz - of course since you are obviously on that side. What a great comeback - did you attend community college or are you still in highschool?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmSuccess! Another TPer called you hughjazz! Whah whah whah.. Betarus this, bush is bin laden’s replacement that.. Quit your whining woman.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmAnswer my questions and I’ll answer yours John Sacks. Where is the threat to this country from Iraq? Where were they ever a threat?
I’d take you more seriously if you didin’t try to ask the strawmen questions.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmAnbar is the biggest lie ever , Anbar is under seige thats all, 93% of the Sunnis support attacks on American troops
pretty pathetic using a seige to demand staying when you lost 9 troops today alone
September 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmPetraeus is being asked alot of questions that are above his pay grade . . . and he’s not smart enough to just say that and refrain from answering them.
I am not impressed with this testimony. He is nothing more than a soldier but he somehow fashions himself as an authority on Iraq, what’s causing the sectarian violence, etc.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pmYou are just wrong about that then. Noone was lied into war. The intelligence gathered by the past 3 presidents including W led to the decisions in this war. Whether they were wrong or not, there was no lie in that.
Comment by John Sacks
That is pure crap. When cheney says on meet the press that it’s pretty well confirmed that Atta met with Iraqi agents in prague, he was lying. you can hang your hat on the pretty well confirmed part if you want, but it was an attempt to get people to believe the substance of the argument.
When bush spoke those 16 words in his state of the union address about nigerian urainium, he layed it at the feet of the british becuase the CIA would not back him up because they knew the “evidence” was forged. Bush said it anyway and gave himself the out of saying it was the brit’s fault. That is not only dishonest it shows a lot about bush’s character.
When rumsfeld said “we know exactly where the WMD are” right before the invasion he lied. He never took that statement back.
Feel free to argue around this, say they are not technically lies, Hide behind Clinton, and daddy bush if you want. It just makes you look all the more pathetic.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:06 pm9 US troops killed today
11 wounded
September 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmThe “Surge” is an unqualified success. All ya gotta do is send a big eared, dickheaded american president with a bag full of $75 million bucks and Anbar is yours.
“I wish I could have been there as Abu Risha nodded along sagely while Bush promised to funnel large-scale American economic development funds in Anbar, perhaps offering the services of his own highly professional office in seeing to the disbursement of the funds. It’s kind of humiliating to watch an American President get rolled by a two bit, corrupt petty shaykh.”
September 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmThat is pure crap. When cheney says on meet the press that it’s pretty well confirmed that Atta met with Iraqi agents in prague, he was lying.
This statement doesn’t meet your world view but to just say he is lying because you hate the guy? That is what is wrong with your side. Unless you had a lie detector tied to him on that day when he made that statement, they you are just full of hot air.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmPlease explain “RIGHTS OF WAR are in place constitutionally! †and state the sections of the Constitution to go along with that.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution is the declaration of war clause, and the Constitution sets what powers the executive and legislative have both in war and in peace.
UprightLeftIsDownrightStupid has made his case for actually ranting about something it knows nothing about. Typical.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Says the f*cker that doesn’t realize the Constitution determines the guidelines for war powers and Constitutional responsibilities!
Come one dumbass, please explain to us your UNDERSTANDING of the Constitution! Oh wait, you don’t HAVE ANY!! BHAAHA, Typical ConTURD!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pmI guess if a hollywood type says there are lies, then there must be lies regardless of reality.
Comment by John Small Sacks
Pretty funny coming from the party of reagan, thompson, cooter from the dukes of hazard, gopher, sonny bono, and Ahhhnold.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pm9 US troops killed today
11 wounded
September 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThank God we didn’t have your type in 1941 or we would all be speaking German right now.
Squeal….snurk…..snurk…..snurk…..wreeeeeeeeeeeee…chomp…chompVoice of Republican Farmer to Democrat hog…HILLARY…..STOP CRAPPING IN THE TROUGH YOU OLD SOW.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThis statement doesn’t meet your world view but to just say he is lying because you hate the guy? That is what is wrong with your side. Unless you had a lie detector tied to him on that day when he made that statement, they you are just full of hot air.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Well he WAS lying, because the CIA and FBI had already informed him that they had Atta under surveillance during this time period and that he was IN THIS COUNTRY!
Now YOU are the KNOWN LIAR (either that or FULLY RETARDED!)
September 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmThis statement doesn’t meet your world view but to just say he is lying because you hate the guy?
Comment by John Tiny Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
….so, Atta did meet with Iraqi agents? Please provide the proof that he had.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmThank you in advance for your time and effort in your research of the topic you’ve offered.
John Sacks, what evidence was true that deserved sending our troops to fight in Iraq?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmAs a rule of thumb, don’t believe anybody above the rank of lieutenant colonel. That’s the rank most warriors are forced to retire at. Most of the rest are politicians in uniform.
Petraeus is dishonest - - NEXT GENERAL PLEASE
September 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThank God we didn’t have your type in 1941 or we would all be speaking German right now.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
We DID have our types, we’re the REASON that the war was EXECUTED WITH COMPETENCE - you LYING UNAMERICAN PIECE OF SH!T TRAITOR!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pm“Petraeus is being asked alot of questions that are above his pay grade . . . and he’s not smart enough to just say that and refrain from answering them.”
Well given the impression most people on this site have of him, he’s damned if he does and damned of he doesn’t. Imagine if he said he wasn’t qualified to answer certain questions, you guys would be all over him saying he is a fool and a Bush crony. He’s trying to answer as hoinestly as he can and he’s still getting killed, jeez.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmMan, all of the trolls are furiously spinning their little wheels in an attempt to kick up enough dust to obscure the pathetic legacy they’re supporting.
But I gotta hand it to john sacks. He kicks up more dust with less talent than any troll I know. Well done, John Sacks! You are the Troll of the Day®!
(Note: Troll of the Day® is an honorary title awarded based on an inverse ratio of bandwidth used to logic displayed. It is not affiliated with Subway Restaurants, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, or the consulting firm Challenger Grey and Christmas.)
September 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThat is pure crap. When cheney says on meet the press that it’s pretty well confirmed that Atta met with Iraqi agents in prague, he was lying.
This statement doesn’t meet your world view but to just say he is lying because you hate the guy? That is what is wrong with your side. Unless you had a lie detector tied to him on that day when he made that statement, they you are just full of hot air.
Comment by John Sacks
It’s not a question of whether it meets my world view or not. That statement was directly refuted by the FBI. He lied. sorry it doesn’t fit your world view. How does your world view bush’s preformance in the state of the union? While were at it, I forgot to mention how Powell was suckered in his united nations presentation.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmPetraeus is dishonest - - NEXT GENERAL PLEASE
Comment by Tobey Tall — September 10, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
General BetrayUS is just doing what the GOOD GOP SOLDIERS DO, LIE for their Commander so he won’t LOOK LIKE THE INCOMPETENT FOOL THAT HE IS!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmArticle. I. - The Legislative Branch - Section 8 - Powers of Congress - which gives the explicit powers to Congress under the Constitution. So explain your so called “Rights of War” - I am waiting for that lesson genious.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmyou LYING UNAMERICAN PIECE OF SH!T TRAITOR
The sign a a great debator - or in liberal speak, a Master Debator.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThank God we didn’t have your type in 1941 or we would all be speaking German right now.
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
What “type” is that - people who know when to stop fighting an unjust war?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThis statement doesn’t meet your world view but to just say he is lying because you hate the guy? That is what is wrong with your side. Unless you had a lie detector tied to him on that day when he made that statement, they you are just full of hot air.
What do you call it when the president, the vice president, the secretary of defense and the secretary of state, all get up and on camera tell you that Iraq has WMD’s, that Iraq has nuclear weapons and are pursuing uranium, that Iraq has ties to al queda and are shown pictures of mobile weapons labs and you know, that they know, that none of what they are saying is true?
What do you call that? Would you call that lying?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmthe big question to the right wing trolls is - do you wnat another 800 dead troops or not
September 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThat statement was directly refuted by the FBI. He lied
Show me how he lied. His statement was based on some report given to him, whether later refuted or proven wrong by the FBI, does not make him a liar. He has to willingly know that the report was not true when making that statement - prove that.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmgenious?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pm“the big question to the right wing trolls is - do you wnat another 800 dead troops or not
Comment by Tobey Tall ”
The answer is they don’t care as long as you don’t call bush or any of his lackeys liars.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThank God we didn’t have your type in 1941 or we would all be speaking German right now.
Actually, millions of Americans did speak German in 1941, especially in Texas. They treasured their heritage.
But you’re not an American, so I don’t expect you do know anything about my country.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pm.
onjazz - of course since you are obviously on that side. What a great comeback - did you attend community college or are you still in highschool?
Comment by John Sacks — September 10, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Of course I’m on that side. I am well-educated, thoughtful, liberal patriot, not an ignorant, kool-aid swilling rightwing dolt following obediently at the heels of a lightweight frat-boy deserter-in-chief who is a world-class failure at everything.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmKeep up the good work John, they have no good arguments for you. It shouldn’t take too long for them to give up. Libs don’t have much of an attention span, especially if there’s something good on tv or someone shows up at their house with pot.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI guess we could end all war and call back our troops so that they won’t get hurt anymore, let the emminant genocide begin in Iraq and watch yet another people attempt to completely wipe out a race or religion. Then with the vacuum left behind, we can watch Iran do what they say they are going to do on a daily basis, watch them completely destroy Isral with nukes only to have themselves destroyed with nukes - and I suppose non of this will impact our country. Ok, let’s do what you want.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHere’s some evidence to show they lied John Sacks.
“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.â€
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:
- Sarin gas
- Mustard gas
- VX Nerve agent
Not True
Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq
“U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents.â€
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people
Not True
Zero Munitions Found
Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq
“We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world
Not True
Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq
“Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people
now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda
And implied that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11
Not True
Zero Al Qaeda Connection
To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)
“Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has attempted to purchase metal tubes suitable for nuclear