Jake, there isnt enough money in the US treasury to bribe every local iraqi leader the way we’ve dumped cash to some key players in Anbar. Yes, I have no doubt, if we offered every single person in a position of power in Iraq several million dollars, like we have done in Anbar province (oh wait, its not bribes, its “aid packages”), then sure, yeah , we could probably have peace for awhile. nevermind that in reality, southern iraq and baghdad are the real problem.,.,, they are now controlled by the very same people that Ronnie Alizheimers was helping Saddam gas….

Anyway, I have a 100% solution to finding a way out of this mess. I believe we will find a consensus way out of this mess the minute basic training is up after passing a law reinstating the draft. In the law I would call for reporting to make sure rich people and their sons and daughters are handed an M16 (just because you have a Harvard MBA doesn’t mean you serve as a staff officer, you get an M16 too) and are sent directly to the areas where they can be killed and maimed for life at similar rates to the brave poor and middle class service people do today. (Personally, I would make rich people serve at twice the rate of the poor and middle class since more of what we are protecting is theirs anyway.) Anyway, I guarantee a near unanimous consensus to GTFO before the end of basic when THEIR loved ones would be put in harms way. There is one other possibility that I thought of. Instead of serving, all these rich kids, since they have the money, will give up their US citizenship and move to some other country at which time their parents can continue to prosecute this war that they have profited from so much. Even if this second possibility played out at least we would finally know that the national loyalty of the rich is conditional and, if this scenario would come to pass (I think at least a good number would choose this route) we would know that the loyalty of the rich should be suspect for good reasons.

Of course I don’t ever expect any of this to come to pass. Look who is in control of our government and media….Rich people…all of them. Obviously a few of them, despite being rich, are good loyal Americans. For instance a couple congress members family are in Iraq as we speak. I am sure though that their peers make it absolutely clear to them that they should never propose that they should behave similarly.

I could go on but I know I am just ranting and I have a life so I will stop. My points, in summary are:

1) The 30000 soldiers that will be coming home next summer were already coming home before Gen Betrayus graciously allowed them.

2) Republicans are modern day fascists who like to kill things with your money

3) Make rich people fight and die for their country and all of a sudden our foreign policy will be VERY, VERY different.

Chris

Comment by LibTeenie

I don’t know about any of my fellow Liberal progressives on this thread…

…but I’m in awe…

…to be in the presence…

…of such a teenie weenie minority…

…the 5% of Bushite disciples…

…who are STILL able to fellate Patraeus and Crocker …

…with their gods Bushiva and L’il Dick’s members in their mouths…

…Johnny Sacks of Sh*t and GlibTeenie…

…APPLAUSE…

…what talented fascist TRASH…

Comment by the Mocha Messiah — September 10, 2007″

Awesome summary!

Chook.

And if we had done that, Dubya would have gone down as one of the finest Presidents and world leaders ever, instead of the worst president in our history.

If we spent HALF what Iraq has cost us in alternative energy research and development, we would not only have a viable alternative, but would be light years ahead on slowing the effects of Global Climate Change.

If you “forecast 6 months ago that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has” please provide a link.

Congrats to you, for your honestly that in fact oil was a main reason (not the ONLY reason, trolls).

You’ve got more balls than most conservatives to admit that.

As gummitch said, heaven forbid we actually begin exploring substantiative ways to persue other sources of energy… no worry though, as soon as there is little oil left to fight over, oil companies will swoop in with some new technology.. they just need time to develop that technology…basically we are waging wars to buy time for oil companies to monopolize new sources of energy….

Comment by gummitch — September 10, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

I would add now and in the future. Way to go Greedy Ol Pigs (GOP).

Comment by Johnny Swank — September 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

No argument; most US foreign policy for decades (or longer) has been based on a desire to control access to resources in other countries. We take it as our God-given right.

Rather than send young people off to war in order to control resources overseas, why not put some effort into seriously reducing demand for oil? Ah, that’s not the “conservative” way. We must be able to use as many resources as we want, regardless of the impact on the lives of others, here and abroad.

Comment by Clipper — September 10, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

Then leave. No one is forcing you to post.

PUt Guliani as the republican nominee. Please.

Comment by liberals destroyed america — September 10, 2007 @ 6:09 pm

That would be brilliant, an unpopular, mob connected idiot, and a 4 star general that over half the country doesn’t trust. Man and I thought Fred Thompson was the republican daddy figure this cycle.

So, this is not a US accomplishment, since they had already worked this out, and it’s only an “accomplishment” because the Iraqis did it, and not US.

And, what pray tell, DIDN’T he tell us about this “transformation” in Anbar province alone? The terms of this “transformation” require all of the concrete enclosures, razor wire, and miles and miles of check points. He didn’t mention that part of the transformation. He didn’t mention that Baghdad and other surrounding provinces have been turned into prisons, and that’s why it’s been “transformed”.

And no, 6 months ago, I couldn’t have told you that this much of that formerly sovereign nation would have been turned into another Gaza Strip or West Bank, or any of the other refugee camps that dot the Middle East landscape. I only knew that the Iraqis could and would eventually have to be the ones to handle their own security, and that the continued presence of the US military would prevent that from happening in any measurable way, that would guarantee the safety of that population.

And, THAT hasn’t changed. And, it won’t change until the Cheney team relinquishes its demands to pursue the theft of the resources of that same nation. They KNOW why we are there, and they don’t like it.

Meantime, BetrayUS is indeed full of the same BS that has emanated from the District of Cheney for over seven years, and its destroying us as surely as they have destroyed Iraq.

Comment by Johnny Swank — September 10, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

Fine lets use some of the money we spent on this war, and get our asses moving on using something besides oil. Then we could do two things in one fell swoop.
1.) stop funding the very terrorists that are attacking us.
2.) Our economy doesn’t collapse when the world runs out of oil.