REPORT: Petraeus Spent At Least 17 Days In August Flacking For Bush’s Escalation
REPORT: Petraeus Spent At Least 17 Days In August Flacking For Bush’s Escalation
The Washington Post reported this weekend that the White House political office and Gen. David Petraeus’ unit have been “hard-wired” together, working jointly to “map out ways of selling the surge.”
The White House has used Petraeus as a PR flack over and over again to sustain its failing Iraq strategy. Last month, Petraeus kicked his political activities into overdrive. He hosted over 38 congressional members inside the Green Zone, and he gave numerous radio, print and TV interviews.
ThinkProgress has compiled a report of Gen. Petraeus’ public activities in August which show that the top general in Iraq spent at least half the month flacking for Bush’s escalation.
Below is calendar of Petraeus’ busy PR operations last month. The red dates are those which we know from media reports that Petraeus was either hosting “dog and pony shows” for members of Congress or giving media interviews. You can scroll over each of the red dates for more details. Please let us know if there’s something we missed.
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Well it was one month before the big report. They had to prepare. I'm sure Patty will be doing more "General" work at some point.
/sarc
September 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmNO SURPRISE HERE!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThe Bush administration was against "making administration officials available to Congress because they are too busy doing more important things" before they were for it.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmCaption Contest:
Petraeus: "One more star, go on, one more star, pretty please?"
September 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI wonder how much Petraeus will profit from this war? Probably not as much as Cheney, but I'm sure he'll be quite wealthy within 2-3 years of Bush leaving office.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmIke Skelton and the DLC bluedog TRAITORS have laid down the gauntlet...
...Skelton ordered anti-war demonstrators removed from the chamber...
...and threatened others with some legal bullsh*T...
...Skelton and ALL of the other DLC TRAITORS have got to be dealt with...
..if the people are going to take back our government...
...from Hillary to Rahm to Ike the DLC wing of the Democratic Party...
...is in league with the MSM to frame this Iraq debate as...
...We can't affor to leave Iraq because chaos will ensue...
...BULLSH*T!
...first of all the rest of the world's superpowers...
...Russia and China aren't going to allow the world's second largest oil reserves fall into the hands of "terrorist" organizations...
...they (Russia and China) are merely waiting for ALL of our trrop strength and treasure to be sapped to unrecoverable levels...
...Iran and Venezuela are waiting for the same...
...These TREASONOUS basta*ds in the House and Senate realize that the criminal Bushite junta...
...has created an untenable situation in Iraq where we're DAMNED if we stay and DAMNED if we leave...
...but in the interim THEY (the elitists in the RNC and DLC) are going to make out like bandits...
...WHY haven't the Howard Deans, Maxine Waters, Barbara Lees, and other prominent, stalwart ANTI_WAR Dems been given air time?
...Because the DLC and RNC and the Bushite controlled media want us to believe that Hillary and Iraq are foregone conclusions...
...Keep sleeping with these frogs America...
...and your plague is coming!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmHave some respect, he's a 4 star politician!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:43 pm...
the look... of love... is in... [his] eyes...
...
why is he staring at dubya's mouth?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pm...
well, for what it's worth, big papa,
maxine waters was on randi's show earlier...
we sure need more like her...
September 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pm...
RUN, CINDY, RUN!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pmby Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient:
Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC
Caption Contest:
Petraeus: " Do that to me one more time, once is never enough with a man like you"
September 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmMonday: 9 GIs, 75 Iraqis Killed; 132 Iraqis Wounded
well today it not working what makes him think tommoro will be any better
September 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmTP has convicted itself as the hate-site I have always known it to be! Today, when Petraeus has been bit*h-slapping progressives, libtards and anti-American traitors with his stay the course recommendation, the reaction from the left has been to character assassinate him, proving they HATE THE US MILITARY. If progressives really "cared about" the troops as they always forge they do with their BS about bringing them home, then they'd give Petraeus the benefit of the doubt. TP hate-site demeans Petraeus as a "flack," when even libtarded media sources such as the AP have discredited him shilling for Bush. Over the weekend, when Petraeus was preparing for today's testimony, he actually DID NOT meet with Bush in order to keep the independent integrity of his report intact. Contrary to progtarded charges, the Petraeus report is independent but only included as part of a WH report as a House resolution mandated. Any prog who questions Petraeus should be tarnished as a traitor.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pmHas Defense Secretary Gates been "disappeared?"
September 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pm.
Two or three times since Sec Gates took office he has been caught out for simply telling the truth. In each instance he clearly made truthful statements that were at odds with the White Houses propaganda delivery for such facts in question. In each instance he took my breath away for such rogue behavior. I laughed but I also felt concern for the hostility which was certain to befall him.
I don't remember the exact details, but one instance concerned when he solo voce put the kibosh on huge extended terms for our troops.
Now as Petraeus and Crocker spin the facts in Iraq as good political aparatchiks in the service of whatever Bush/Cheney are trying to achieve, America's Secretary of Defense is cut out of the loop.
Telling the unvarnished truth in this White House has morphed into treason, an act of deceit for which one becomes 'disappeared.'
General Petraeus should take over Tony Snow's job.
-GSD
September 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pmRUN, CINDY, RUN!!!
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
This comment may seem strange here unless you realize that this Jake(off) D(ick) is attempting to throw sand into another thread where it seems he/sh/it may have threatened the life of Cindy Sheehan.
See here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/petraeus-anbar-six/#comment-4069125
at this comment:
Comment by dixie blood — September 10, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
September 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmit would be nice to see Bush in a market in Baghdad buying some carpets if its really that safe
September 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmToo bad Petraeus can't sell it to the Iraqi people.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pm.
Everyone knew that Bush's fall guy, the new War Czar, would be nothing of substance and nothing more than more smoke & mirrors PR - aka: Bush's new puppet show. General Betray-us' gig isn't working any better that the Chimp's. No one is buying one iota of it because the facts and statistics are in direct opposition to the obvious propagandic "spin".
September 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pmCraig: What happened to Robert Gates? He told the truth one time too many and was disappeared by the Chimp.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmCaption contest - Bush: Stall 2 - 3 taps and a nudge. Petraeus: I love being a republican, yeeha.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmproving they HATE THE US MILITARY
Right. 'Cause you can only "support the troops" if you want to just go on pissing away their lives and limbs in the middle of nowhere for nothing.
Too bad the Bush administration's case for the war is so weak they have to hide behind Petraeus.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pm.
RUN AWAY, JAKE D, RUN AWAY!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmCaption for photo above: "You lie and I'll swear to it"....blood brothers all the way! That is: The blood of every one of our fallen soldiers whose lives we squandered for our war for oil.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThis is so 'unoriginal' for BushCo who haven't had one original thought pop into their pretty empty craniums in six years. Let's do a PR campaign with our new War Czar. Don't they realize that Bush appearing with anone is totally toxic? Everyone knows General Betray-us is Bush's pimp and he deserves no respect from anyone. Keep his ugly mug up there with Chimpface and by the time the War General presents his crock of bull$hit, he'll be as villified as the Chimp himself.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pmCaption: Hey Davie, maybe we can get Brittany Spears in her black two piece to be our opening act? Her appearance last night on the MTV awards was the bomb.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:11 pmIt's so ironic that progressives hate progress.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:11 pmYou've gotta love this primo photo - that is, if you need some poster boys for the new "dog and pony show".
September 10th, 2007 at 5:11 pm28,000 wounded Americans. 3600 dead Americans.
"It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker. Leads only to the undertaker."
September 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmWar
-Edwin Starr-
It's so ironic that Morix can write in complete sentences.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWell, Petraeus was will to push the phony "mobile weapons labs" stories back in 2003, so it would seem he's been in the tank for Bush all along.
No surprise there. Petraeus is engaged in psy-ops against his own people.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:14 pm.
Jerry, my dear boy -FO
September 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmwhat a bunch of flack offs...
September 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThis chart kind of reminds me of the one the NY Times published of Rudy Giuliani's activities at Ground Zero from September 11, 2001 until the end of that year. Petraeus spends his time in Iraq doing dog and pony shows; Giuliani spent his time at Ground Zero doing photo ops.
I guess everything really DOES boil down to marketing...
September 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmTom: SMD
September 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmCall your radio station and request "War" by Edwin Starr. Word is that the mega media stations won't play it.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmOUT NOW.
Look at all you lib losers trying to spin positive into negative.
"Positive"? What "positive"? The man's nothing but a glorified tour-guide, so it's no wonder he can't count.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pm.
bush and Petraeus: woof, woof, neigh, neigh.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pm(another nine brave young Americans died today - OUT NOW)
It's funny how someone like big pappa can say he hopes our troops die and only be called out by a nonprogressive. But say something good about Our troops or our Country and you will have many progressives call you out for how stupid you are. I think that says it all.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:21 pmJerry: You're just a fu@king troll. Real Democrats want out now.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:21 pmAugust 11th, Chris Shays D-CT? Did he get caught toe-tapping in an airport men's room today? Nice try Fox.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmBut say something good about Our troops or our Country and you will have many progressives call you out for how stupid you are. I think that says it all.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Please allow me to call you on your obvious attempt to spin the true and LIE about it.
LIAR!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pm... receiving all the benefits without paying any price.
Comment by liberalismisdead — September 10, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Sounds like an accurate definition of "Republican" to me.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:23 pm"Leaves them disabled, bitter and mean. Life's too short and precious to fighting wars these days. War can't give life, it can only take it away."
Edwin Starr
(especially one that does nothing to stop the spread of fanatic Islam)
September 10th, 2007 at 5:23 pmJerry: Get your ass back to redstate or whatever other right wing hate blog you belong to.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBut say something good about Our troops or our Country and you will have many progressives call you out for how stupid you are.
I can see you're new here, or at least not very bright.
Pissing away soldiers' lives for nothing is nothing to be proud of, and right now the bushtards have nothing to show for it. Even Petraeus has to keep referring to the same week's statistics over and over because he knows it's better than any of the other weeks around it.
Cute, huh?
Wanna get some more Americans killed for nothing? Just keep it up.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pm.
Rasheed X: How's things in Red state America? Spreading your right wing b.s. and trying to shake things up.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAny prog who questions Petraeus should be tarnished as a traitor.
Comment by DavidPetraeusOWNStheprogtraitors
And this, my fellow Americans, is the right side thinking. Questioning someone on OUR PAYROLL now is being a traitor. We have had our great nation highjacked by these bed wetters. The last 27% of them would surely love to grind our beloved Constitution under their jack boots. All for the worship of our petulant boy king. I hope you don't have kids at home. I would hate for them to grow up learning to be frightened all the time - just like papa...
September 10th, 2007 at 5:28 pmHow many U.S. soldiers are going to die in Iraq, in the course of forthcoming longest withdrawal in history of a defeated army?
70% Iraqis feel security situation has gotten worse.
60% Iraqis - ‘attacks on troops are justified’
September 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmGetting the report from Petraeus is like getting the report from the fox who's guarding the henhouse. Come on, he can, with a straight face, say we're making progress. What else can he say? No, let's throw in the towel and go home? That wasn't his mission; they didn't give him a command to fail; how idiotic can you get, if you expect an objective report from this man? He probably even believes he's objective and telling the truth. So the beat goes on ... so the war and the killing and the stupid spending of money continues.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmJerry is a troll.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmBut say something good about Our troops or our Country and you will have many progressives call you out for how stupid you are. I think that says it all.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
That's just moronic to your core!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDems have said the war is lost long time ago. Real progress has been made in Iraq but they do not want to hear it. Stubborn as a Dem ass.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pm_________________________________________
Hear no progress.
See no progress.
Speak no progress.
Any prog who questions Petraeus should be tarnished as a traitor.
And anyone who hides behind a general is a coward.
The bushtards are whining about us calling Petraeus on his bullshit because they can't afford to talk about his bullshit.
Typical: running away from what they can't handle.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pm.
Progs have no hope.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmOK, I admit it. I'm a troll who loves coming over to progressive blogs and shaking things up.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmAs Democrats we need for the war to continue.
It will gaurantee us absolute power next year!
No, it alienates the base.
You're not even a smart troll. Then again, I haven't seen smart trolling since 2003. All the smart conservatives now call themselves "libertarians." Can't blame 'em: no one wants to be associated with a loser like the GOP.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pm.
"Peace, love and understanding, is there no place for them today?"
September 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmEdwin Starr
Petraeus rocked your small insignificant world.
Comment by liberalismisdead
History will prove you wrong, and you know it. Mark these words: 10 years from now, high schoolers all over America will wonder why you and the rest of the cry babies stood by and watched our country get run over by these obvious liars. Maybe you like being lied to. makes you feel safer, huh?
September 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmEven TP gets Ds and Rs mixed up. You've got Shays as D-CT.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:35 pmPissing away soldiers’ lives for nothing is nothing to be proud of, and right now the bushtards have nothing to show for it.
That would be your view. I happen to think we are doing something very much to be proud of and I support my all voluntary military and believe they are doing a great job. The problems we have are due to Congress thinking they are the Commander in Chief and do so much to try to undercut our brave soliders.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThis isn't Vietnam...... these men and women are brave volunteers not disgruntled draftees. It pisses most of you off that anyone would even want to join the military. Some people believe in this country and want to protect the freedoms we enjoy. They have done something about it and stepped up. They are out on the front lines while you sit at your computers and and try to tear the country apart.
Tom,
I hope more troops die so The Democrats get a 2/3 majority in Congress!
We eed more deaths!
Let’s hope for 100 Americans killed a day!
Comment by Jerry
Please stop sniffing the glue. We need clarity and bravery right now, not foolish rantings. If you can't write something worthwhile, then please stop writing altogther. God will remember your words, and you will have to explain them. God has mercy, but not all the time. I hope he has mercy on your soul - it sounds as though you will need lots of it.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmHere's a couple of things most progressives will agree on:
1. Islamic jihadists pose a threat to the U.S. and or the west. (Think about the prevalence of the progressive view that the war in Iraq was a foolish diversion from the real war which is in Afganistan).
2. Bush has done a poor job of executing the war on terror.
Considering that; what have progressives offered (besides attacking Bush administration initiatives) to combat the threat of terror that they acknowledge exists?
To make it simple, let's keep it down to just one initiative.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmNo Moronix, it isn't Vietnam, it's even more pointless.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmJerry: Get your ass back to redstate or whatever other right wing hate blog you belong to.
Comment by Warwhatisitgoodfor — September 10, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Naw, that's our meth-ranting mr. p, he does this a lot; trying to plant comments, as well as namejacking other posters.
He is a typical 3rd tier part time college student in N. Virginia loser who is also a racist chickenhawk.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThey are out on the front lines while you sit at your computers and and try to tear the country apart.
Comment by Morix
Funny, but I would say the same about you.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmCaption Contest:
Petraeus: “One more star, go on, one more star, pretty please?â€
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
You are a dumbass!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pmI happen to think we are doing something very much to be proud of ...
What? Weakening our military and strengthening al Qaeda? I think we know who the traitor is, here.
The freedoms we enjoy are not and never were at risk in Iraq. You can't hide Bush's failure behind the sacrifice of professional warriors. Most of them wanted a timeline for withdrawal a year ago. Military families' political contributions go overwhelmingly to anti-war candidates, especially Ron Paul.
Even you don't believe your vapid sunshine pumping, and everyone here can see that you still have nothing you can point to in Iraq as an accomplishment.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pm.
BBC news - looks like Peteaus has bought time for Bush - SURGE TILL SUMMER
my god thats another 9 months away and another 1200 dead US troops and US contractors
September 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmwhat have progressives offered (besides attacking Bush administration initiatives) to combat the threat of terror that they acknowledge exists?
If you didn't just get your news from FOX, you'd know. In fact, there was a unique one from Edwards last week.
Go google.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pm.
You are a dumbass!
Comment by veritas — September 10, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
So sure you are, young Skywalker. Does your mother know you talk like that?
September 10th, 2007 at 5:42 pmTom,
I have served in the armed forces of the Untied States. The difference between you and I would be that I've even pondered rejoining.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:42 pmSURGE TILL SUMMER - - somebody please arrange 1200 coffins and dont forget the mirror as Bush really needs to look at himself
September 10th, 2007 at 5:42 pmTP Chris Shays is not Dem.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:42 pmComment by Tobey Tall — September 10, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
The only consideration in the continuation of the surge is the impact that Iraq will have on the 2008 US elections. Nothing else matters. George W Bush wishes to hold 150,000 US soldiers hostage in Iraq until then.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmSURGE TILL SUMMER - - somebody please arrange 1200 coffins and dont forget the mirror as Bush really needs to look at himself
Comment by Tobey Tall — September 10, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
But we all know that if he looked in the mirror, he wouldn't see a reflection, right?
September 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmConsidering that; what have progressives offered (besides attacking Bush administration initiatives) to combat the threat of terror that they acknowledge exists?
To make it simple, let’s keep it down to just one initiative.
Comment by paul
Easy, by focusing on the real threat at the time: Al Quaida in Afghanistan. bin laden, you remember him, don't you? He's the guy we should be bankrupting this country to find and kill - not anybody in Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmAnother very simple answer to a simple question. That was the first mistake. Second mistake was disbanding the Iraqi army and giving 30,000 angry (and armed) men reasons to fight us. Does it make you (Paul) wonder why nobody in the administration can admit WHO gave the order to disolve the army? It should. It was a major blunder which caused the insurgency to immediately have men and arms to repel our invasion.
paul: 1. Correct 2. Correct
September 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmMakes your follow-up diatribe pointless.
How about OUT NOW and redeploy to Afghanistan.
How about getting our troops out of Saudi Arabia? (Special thanks to George Bush the First, for empowering bin laden)
How about fighting radical islam through superior police work (just like Germany took care of Bider-Meinhauf in the 80s)
How about using some of the billions we are wasting in iraq to protecting our ports, chemical and nuclear plants?
Let’s hope for 100 Americans killed a day!
Comment by Jerry
Joker, As a veteran and a left-leaning independant, I would still shoot you where you stood, if you said that in front of me.
This is "the joker" troll that is posting this crap all over the threads.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThe style gives "it" away every time.
The Iraqi people think the Surge™ is a disaster.
The American people know the Bush administration isn't telling the truth and that laundering propaganda through a general doesn't mean squat.
Basically, it's just Bush and a few trolls. That's all that's left.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pm.
How about using some of the billions we are wasting in iraq to protecting our ports, chemical and nuclear plants?
Why should they do that? They keep saying we need another 9/11 to scare us all back into line.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pm.
LET'S not forget that this is the same Petraeus responsible for the (non)training of the Iraqi police force AND the one who "lost" 190,000 weapons under his watch.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:48 pmAll we need to know about his capabilities and leadership!
To make it simple, let’s keep it down to just one initiative.
Comment by paul
Simple - Port Security - Democrats have tried for years to have 100% of cargo inspected into the US…. guess who opposed? http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ archives/ individual/ 2006_04/ 008702.php
September 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pmSomething kind of creepy about the way Betrayus is gazing upon the Bush in the photo attached to this posting.
I wish that Skelton had the balls in dealing with Gonzales that he did with the people from code pink.
He said that he would make certain they were procescuted to the fullest extent of the law.
WTF is up with this government.
Check out the Code Pink site and let's give some money to these brave protesters who are doing FAR MORE THAN OUR SPNELESS REPRESENTATIVES.
jack jett
September 10th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThe style gives “it†away every time.
Comment by Wayne — September 10, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
"Another Chris" has been around, blowing smoke out of his butt too...
September 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pmhey WAYNE - have been waiting for you...
sorry, OT, folks, but this is a good one...
heard on randi today that willie nelson has a song posted on his peace site that he wants anybody to work with or add to, in any style, and if he likes it he will post it...
go to http://willienelsonpri.com/
"a peacful solution", record a peace song...
tell all your musician friends!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pm.
Funny how I'm talking about our brave Soldiers and Jack Jett talks about Brave protestors....... go figure.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmTo make it simple, let’s keep it down to just one initiative.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
You might want to back off and try making 'sense' first, Paul. Your comment is meaningless, as it stands, and also off topic.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:00 pmFunny how I’m talking about our brave Soldiers and Jack Jett talks about Brave protestors……. go figure.
Considering that military families are giving overwhelmingly to anti-war candidates (especially Ron Paul), it's amazing how out of touch you are with the military and your own country.
Assuming you're not a paid troll in Mumbai.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:01 pm.
Funny how I’m talking about our brave Soldiers and Jack Jett talks about Brave protestors……. go figure.
Comment by Morix
In a democracy sir, they ARE the same thing. Didn't you pay attention when you were in civics classes?
September 10th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#
Funny how I’m talking about our brave Soldiers and Jack Jett talks about Brave protestors……. go figure.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Funny how self-rigtheous you are and how little sense you make.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:01 pmYeah Tom I guess your right... Its the same thing to protest something.... as it is to put your life on the line for others.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:07 pmGive me a break I would like to see these gutless anti-war protestors in a life threating situation...... they would run like the gutless heros they are.
Yeah I did learn that in civics class... from the liberal establishment education system. But unlike you I sought truth not propaganda.
All right wingers like Morix (i.e., Moronix--good one)love to pretend their soldiers. He's "pondering" serving again (assuming he's ever served at all). Gee, I wonder what could be holding this "patriot" back.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:10 pmThe General ought to think about support for his troops rather than support for this misguided president.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pmWhat do you think Bush-boi has on Petreus? He seems to like to screw everyone, so...?!
September 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pmYeah I did learn that in civics class… from the liberal establishment education system. But unlike you I sought truth not propaganda.
Comment by Morix
Your point is nonsense. Absolute nonsense! Some of the most vocal protesters have served this country with honor and distinction. You have no business speaking to the sacrifices of anyone on this country - even if you don't agree with them. BTW, you may want to lead off your silly post with evidence that YOU YOURSELF have served this country with honor and distinction - as you have not displayed it in your writing. Authoritarians love to tell other people what to do. Democracy is here to serve the 300 million citizens of this country, not only the last 27% who worship bush and his band of losers.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pmIs name calling just a progressive thing? No room for debate ot comment...... when things don't go your way Name call and feel good about yourself.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:15 pmProgressive motto: If you don't have something bad to say... then don't say anything.
I first enlisted in the US navy when Iran took my fellow Americans hostage. I served for 8 years and was onboard a ship that took me within miles of Iran. I felt a sense of duty. Something I know is completely at odds with your anti-american views.
Yeah Tom I guess your right… Its the same thing to protest something…. as it is to put your life on the line for others.
Give me a break I would like to see these gutless anti-war protestors in a life threating situation…… they would run like the gutless heros they are.
Yeah I did learn that in civics class… from the liberal establishment education system. But unlike you I sought truth not propaganda.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Hey A$$KLOWN! I am a combat vet of Vietnam and I protested that little "undeclared war" upon my return and we did get that one stopped. And I did that along side protesters who never served and was proud of them and the courage they showed in the face of Nixon's Gestapo. So go peddle your bullshat somewhere else.
This BushCo quagmire needs to be stopped and stopped now.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:18 pmupside00 are you one of those brave digruntled draftees?
September 10th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIf progressives are so interested in port security, why is so little space here at TP devoted to it. BTW, don't democrats enjoy leadership of both houses of congress? Does obstructionism somehow pass for leadership among liberals?
September 10th, 2007 at 6:21 pmupside00 are you one of those brave digruntled draftees?
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Actually, I enlisted, thinking it was the right thing to do, but a year in Vietnam was a real eye opener.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:22 pmThe pattern of red squares looks like a hand giving you the finger.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI felt a sense of duty. Something I know is completely at odds with your anti-american views.
Comment by Morix
I, myself, honor your service to this country. It, however, gives you no special insight to the thoughts and beliefs of other citizens. I would have hoped your proud servide to this country would have offered you a better viewpoint on how this functional democracy works. You are not correct because you put on a uniform, and it makes me no less of an American because I did not. Again, authoritarians like to tell others how to live. That is the millstone around your neck. Proud and strong types usually allow others to proclaim a different way of looking at a complex issue (war). Proud and brave types invite differing points of view as it is what makes this great country what it has become - well, maybe not lately, but you get the point. You paint progressives in very rude and incorrect way. Again, I would hope your service to this country would make you strong and brave enough to allow your fellow citizens the ability to speak their mind. Do the points we make have you questioning your own positions? In looking at all your reponses and posts today, a first year psychology student would think so. Consider that advice free of charge as I usually get $250.00 an hour to provide such advice.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:24 pmBTW, don’t democrats enjoy leadership of both houses of congress? Does obstructionism somehow pass for leadership among liberals?
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
The obstructionists are the Repugs who can't let go of the BushCo teat and sack up to do what is needed.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:25 pmbig papa,
maxine waters was on randi’s show earlier…
Comment by katy — September 10, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
oops - i was mistaken
it was Barbara Lee (D-CA 9th)
September 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pm.
upside00 My qualms with Vietnam was the soldiers had their hands tied. The rules of engagement favored the enemy. The amount of resources in country was insufficient.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pmupside00 My qualms with Vietnam was the soldiers had their hands tied. The rules of engagement favored the enemy. The amount of resources in country was insufficient.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
No, the problem with Vietnam was that it was an unnecessary war and we were lied to on every front, just like we are in Iraq. And the leadership then, was just as f@cked up as it is now.
I respect your service but I don't agree with your blind allegiance to a party, and to the brave troops that have died and suffered and will continue to, as long as we have this lack of leadership in the WH and in the senior ranks of the military.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:31 pmAgain, I would hope your service to this country would make you strong and brave enough to allow your fellow citizens the ability to speak their mind.
That is what I joined for. Just because i disagree with someone I won't try to shut them up as seems to be the liberal way of doing things. i love debate and an exchange of ideas. Everyone is an individual with distinct thoughts and actions.
In my world the federal goverment has stolen many of the States rights.... this has happened more under the Democrats watch. I want a strong military and a SMALLER federal government.
Tom by nature I'm a troubleshooter and a troubleshooter always looks at improving things that are working and fixing those that are not. My postion is not always black and white as those who like to label people want to think.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by katy — September 10, 2007
I've been a little disappointed with Randi's position on how Dems shouldn't send the no funding bill to W over and over again and just let the little weasel veto it, over and over again.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pmI respect your service but I don’t agree with your blind allegiance to a party, and to the brave troops that have died and suffered and will continue to, as long as we have this lack of leadership in the WH and in the senior ranks of the military.
Comment by upside00
So true. His loyalty starts and ends with 'The Party'.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:36 pmTom by nature I’m a troubleshooter and a troubleshooter always looks at improving things that are working and fixing those that are not. My postion is not always black and white as those who like to label people want to think.
Comment by Morix
Fair enough. I agree with your statement. None of these issues will be solved using a black or white, right or wrong point of attack. There are so many issues in the ME - some of which Americans just don't get - that it is difficult to get to the facts. As I stated, I do honor your (and others) service to the country. It is a shame when both sides have to resort to name calling and the like to make their points. I would only ask you to consider how our leaders got us into this mess to begin with. Then we can discuss ways to kill our enemy and bring our brave soldiers home.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:44 pmLastnight on HBO the show "Alive Day Memories" was something everyone should see, esp supporters of the war. The only way this war stop's is if the soilders say enough already. The Dem have no b@@Ls and the people don't care.....
September 10th, 2007 at 6:44 pmMorix - I re-read your post at 108. We agree on more things than you know. You state a good point. Nicely done.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:48 pmhmm I lost a post I think... If I double send this I'm sorry:)
What I said was I blindly follow NO party. I have voted in all elections since I was 18 and have never voted a straight ticket.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:49 pmTom do you seek out multiple sources of information?
I could go on a tirade about why we are where we are now and noone would escape unscathed.
Tom do you seek out multiple sources of information?
I could go on a tirade about why we are where we are now and noone would escape unscathed.
Comment by Morix
Absolutely I seek out as many sources as possible. I also have the opportunity to travel the globe quite a few times each year. I hate to travel, but I do meet and speak with many different people and cultures. We are all very different, but in many ways, we are all the same. I also agree with your statement about nobody getting away unscathed. The issues we face today have come to be for many, many reasons. Not just bush or congress. Some folks want things to move quicker. Others want things to slow down a little. We must find a way to break through the clutter and unite as a nation. Even when things get a little heated here at TP, I always walk away from the discussion knowing a little more than i did before. So, in the heat of battle (so to speak) we sometimes phrase our words in hurtful ways, but just as I learned about you - we agree on more things than I thought. That idea makes me certain we can bust through the crap and defend this great nation of ours.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:57 pmI have served in the armed forces of the Untied States. The difference between you and I would be that I’ve even pondered rejoining.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
but you haven't re-upped, because you know one of three things: the war is already lost, the war is phony, or if you join you will be in mortal danger because of Bush's incompetence. Or, perhaps you're just lying. If an (R) follows your name, that's a very good bet.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:00 pmComment by Tom — September 10, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
I, too, travel a lot and especially in Europe and South America, I geasked all the time: HOW did he get RE-elected? It seems quite obvious to them that the first time was a mistake any country could make, but the SECOND time? And you know what? I have no good answer!
And they all remind me that BushCo isn't just destroying our government and country, it has put the entire world at grave risk.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pmTom If more people (liberals,conservatives, progressives, moderates) would engage in disscussion instead of just preaching "my way or the highway" we could progress as a nation.
The problems are that both parties respond to the far right or left because they think that is their base. A redesign of the two party system would be great benefit.
The way we elect who is going to run for president could be improved. What not have open primary election where you could vote for anyone regardless of party affliation?
This might allow for 3rd party canidates to have a better shot.
Anyway disagreement is a good thing if you are not just talking but listening as well.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:05 pmAnd they all remind me that BushCo isn’t just destroying our government and country, it has put the entire world at grave risk.
Comment by upside00
I get that a lot also. There are even members of panels who listen to my lectures and they ask afterward if Bush re-wrote the paper for me (Psychology). I think most of the time they are kidding, but it keeps coming up. The perception is out there - whether we like it or not.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:05 pmGot to hand it to Moronix. In typical right wing fashion, the reason we "lose" these misguided attempts to occupy countries against their will is that we didn't slaughter enough of the people we're trying to save. Pretty much explains why so many people hate the USA that Moronix hopes to present to the world.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:07 pmIf you all have traveled then you know that even though this country has its problems it is still one of the best places in the world to live, earn a good living, and raise a family.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:08 pmThe problems are that both parties respond to the far right or left because they think that is their base. A redesign of the two party system would be great benefit.
You seem like a smart and wise person. Your statement is 100% accurate IMHO. We do need a viable alternative to the two party system - but there would have to be a groundswell of support for it, and the dems and repubs are not going to allow it without a fight. So we do have our challenges. If you have any good ideas about making this happen, let me know.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pmI see Moronix is also typical of right wingers in his thin skin: he has no problem calling us liberals "anti-american." For him that's acceptable. But having a little fun with his moniker, well, that's JUST NOT FAIR. You can almost see the tears running down is pretty cheeks and his little foot stomping the ground, really, really hard.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:10 pmIf you all have traveled then you know that even though this country has its problems it is still one of the best places in the world to live, earn a good living, and raise a family.
Comment by Morix
And that is why I always come home to San Diego, California - no matter where my business takes me. Agreed.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pmAnd, as a last result, Mononix falls back on the "we're the greatest country in the world" song and dance. If he'd really traveled as much as he claims he'd realize that the vast majority of the developed world's population is happy where they are.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIn my world the federal goverment has stolen many of the States rights…. this has happened more under the Democrats watch. I want a strong military and a SMALLER federal government.
You seriously believe this? For starters, GW has increased the size of the federal govt. more than anyone in US history. Secondly, by having a strong military, you almost certainly would have a larger federal govt. Lastly, you want a smaller govt. You make no sense.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:14 pmLOL digitusmedius. Thin skinned I think not.
Calling for the deaths of our soldiers is somehow Pro-American?
I won't be baited into your name calling and I usually just ignore those who have nothing to add to a discussion.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:14 pmIf you all have traveled then you know that even though this country has its problems it is still one of the best places in the world to live, earn a good living, and raise a family.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
That's a coput comment: It could be SO MUCH BETTER!! And it is getting worse, the wealth distribution is going up, not down, more people have no insurance, savings is at an all-time recent low, jobs are leaving, pediatric obesity is on the rise, cancer is on the rise, our national debt is at an all-time high, our constitution has been severely damaged and our Humanity has been dealt a body blow as well.
So many things we could be addressing, but we are a one trick pony - the illegal occupation and all the periperal activities has sucked much of the life out of this great country!
For the first time in my years on this earth, there are some times I wish I held a different passport.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:16 pmdigitusmedius Is Canada one of those? I work in the Auto industry and I know lots of Canadains who have applied to becaome US Citizens. How many Americans apply to become something else? If it is so nice elsewhere...... where would you like to call home and why are you not there?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:16 pm"Flacking".
Great work if you can get it.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMy postion is not always black and white ...
morix
Is total obliviousness a prerequisite for you 27%'ers, or what? Every comment you've made so far on this thread trots out a zebra's-ass load of black and white.
Here's the one I really like: brave disgruntled draftee.
Draftee's guts look exactly the same as what spills out of you gung-ho types. They scream the same, flail around and spurt blood, shit, and vomit over their buddies, just the same as "professional" soldiers.
At the risk of being perceived as uncivil, just exactly who the hell do you think you are to question a draftee's courage?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:22 pmIf you all have traveled then you know that even though this country has its problems it is still one of the best places in the world to live, earn a good living, and raise a family.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
only for the moment, and less and less each day.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:23 pmdigitusmedius Is Canada one of those? I work in the Auto industry and I know lots of Canadains who have applied to becaome US Citizens. How many Americans apply to become something else? If it is so nice elsewhere…… where would you like to call home and why are you not there?
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Now there's some righteous bullshit. Straight-up lies, the coin of the wingnut realm.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:26 pmupside00 The fix for health insurance is not the government. What has the government ever done right that benefits people? The numbers of uninsured are rising..... so is the number of illegal immigrants... are these the people we want to spend our tax dollars on so they can have health insurance? I'm not trying to change the discussion but you put up quite a bit of things that you see wrong..... not all of these are just a problem in The US. Yes we have jobs leaving but unemployment is at all time lows. Don't even get me started on China. I have a feeling though that that problem will correct itself soon.We are not illegally occupying Iraq... that is a nice catch phrase.... if you do your research and extend your news gathering beyoud TP you would know this. A good source for what was happening in the world before Iraq is The Secret History of the Iraq War by Yossef Bodansky. It opened my eyes even more. Be brave enough to read it.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:31 pmAt the risk of being perceived as uncivil, just exactly who the hell do you think you are to question a draftee’s courage?
I'm not questioning the courage...... It is reasonable that someone thrust into something they didn't ask for could be disgruntled. It also stands to reason someone who joins knowing the risk is indeed a brave soul.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:34 pmWe are not illegally occupying Iraq… that is a nice catch phrase…. if you do your research and extend your news gathering beyoud TP you would know this. A good source for what was happening in the world before Iraq is The Secret History of the Iraq War by Yossef Bodansky. It opened my eyes even more. Be brave enough to read it.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Tell me why we are not illegally occupying Iraq?
And I did try to read that book, but he is such a NeoCon, it was obvious where his allegiance was. All the groups he supports are Republican and NeoCon. Can you argue that?
And have you read FIASCO and HUBRIS? They will also give you some additional insight.
And if you want to get REALLY scared, read NIXON and KISSINGER. You can take about any part of that book and substitute DUbya and his Cabal for Nixon and Kissinger and it would be hard to tell one from the other.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIt also stands to reason someone who joins knowing the risk is indeed a brave soul.
Comment by Morix — September 10, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
As I said earlier, I enlisted but was no more brave than the Draftees I fought with. And the protesters I stood with when we stopped the Vietnam war were just as brave.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pmWhy were are not illegally occupying Iraq. After the Gulf War, Saddam signed a cease fire agreement. There were conditions to that cease fire to which Saddam continued to thumb his nose at. He violated that agreement. Without righting an essay, the war now was just a return to hostilities.... not illegal. He violated the cease fire so all bets were off.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:46 pmupside00 I think what we would call you is Modest. It takes more character to enlist then it does to be drafted. You have in you what makes this country great. Your point of view doesn't matter as much as your conviction to that view... but please never let it close your mind to other views.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI have to go spend some time with my son and then off to work. I have enjoyed this thread.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:54 pmMorix: You're talking too much sense. That will surely incur the wrath of liberals. They believe everything is a conspiracy. They are largely irrational. Wait till tommorrow. Most of these nutcases can prove to you and me that 9/11 was an inside job. I wouldn't get your hopes up in saving any souls here.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:55 pmHe violated the cease fire so all bets were off. Comment by Morix
Have you read FIASCO or HUBRIS? It shows that we drew Saddam into this battle and used cherry-picked intel to go in based on fake WMD intel.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by katy #105
...I'm talking about the msm...
...NBC, CBS, Meet the Press, This Week, Face the Nation et al...
September 10th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThere need to be some EMERGENCY Repulsivescum Senate...
..."resignations"...
...about 15 of them...
...ASAP...
...in order to save THOUSANDS of lives...
...and HUNDREDS of BILLIONS...
...save America...
...FIRE some Repulsivescum...
...and DLC Democrats...
...b.a.m.n...
September 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThey believe everything is a conspiracy
You mean like Saddam being behind 9/1 and all?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:26 pmThey believe everything is a conspiracy
You mean like Saddam being behind 9/1 and all?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Or like 9 more KIA today showing reduced violence, or 1/3 of Iraqi parliament quitting showing major politicasl progress, or that no new Repugs were outed today?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:59 pmBooosh fired the generals who told the truth and went looking for a general who would back him. He found the guy, he appointed the guy, and he commands the guy. Who is surprised? The GAO has reported. The press is clear. The Iraqi people have chimed in. The members of Congress are not fools. Either they stop funding the war, as they have done to stop wars in the past, or they have to be changed. Again. And we can do that. Find and fund the antiwar candidates.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:54 pmAug. 11 should have read: Chris Shays (R-CT) instead of (D-CT)
September 11th, 2007 at 12:58 amPR Petraeuis was on Hugh Hewitt's radio show on 7/18/07 and on Bill Bennett's show before July 4th but I didn't make note of the date.
September 11th, 2007 at 2:18 amUm, here's the link to Petraeus/Hewitt:
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=484182dc-bf7c-42a7-ac74-9e270a9ef0f2
September 11th, 2007 at 2:19 am>Without righting an essay, the war now was just a return to hostilities.
What did saddam thumb his nose at? Our unilaterallly imposed No Fly Zone?
Something the UN said? Then why didnt the UN bless this attack?
You dont need an essay, just post some links,.. thanks..
Kim Kong has been thumbing his nose and there is occasionally shelling across the DMZ, should we go invade them also?
September 11th, 2007 at 2:51 amWell, I guess MoveOn.org was correct alright: General BETRAY US. This guy is just one more general who could care less about him men. He has other priorities. When Bush/Cheney declare martial law, I hope he's the first to get ambushed by the people.
September 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI don't know who's worse, Benedict Article or David Betray Us.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmIt looks like Petraeus is becoming Bush's lap dog since Blair is gone.
September 12th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThis site sucks....You all are twisted and morphed and completely get sucked in to the conspiracy SHIT.....If any of you have friends on the ground over in IRAQ, SHAME ON YOU!!!! I don't think many of you do, otherwise you would be hearing about all the GOOD THEY ARE DOING and progress they are making, that none of the media reports on, As I HEAR FROM MY FRIENDS THAT I SUPPORT %100.00 and want them to finish so they can come HOME!
September 18th, 2007 at 10:47 am