Petraeus hearing underway.
Petraeus hearing underway.
Gen. David Petraeus is testifying today before 107 members of Congress all at once. It is a joint hearing of the House Armed Services Committee and the House Foreign Affairs Committee. All the members will be allowed five minutes to question him. The testimony is being carried live by all three cable networks, and his appearance marks the most high-profile appearance of a war general on Capitol Hill since Gen. William Westmoreland testified on April 28, 1967, that America was making progress in Vietnam. The members were not given an opportunity to see Petraeus’ testimony beforehand.
UPDATE: The AP files its first report: “Gen. David Petraeus went before a deeply divided Congress on Monday, the commander of 165,000 troops heckled and attacked by anti-war critics before he began to speak. ‘Tell the truth, general,’ shouted protesters as the four-star general made his way into the crowded hearing room.”
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With the long-awaited surge progress report from General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker due beginning today, Perrspectives has updated its Iraq Document Center. The repository includes the latest news, statistics, key reports and other essential materials surrounding the Iraq war and its run-up.
For the overview, see:
September 10th, 2007 at 12:44 pm“Required Reading for Petraeus, Crocker Testimony.”
I’m sure we can expect nothing but Bush’s truth from this guy.
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September 10th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAnd it’s a pity I’m at work and can’t hear it. Not that it’s credible or anything — I’m just curious to see what the Bush PR machine is cranking out through the Petraeus mouthpiece.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWhy not just yell “oh look shiny” and get it over with. This whole report is a dog and pony show, with no substance. Bush wrote it with crayon a month ago, and his staff has been polishing up this particular turd.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:48 pmmissmolly, try cspan 3 online.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWill he have drawings of mobile biological weapons?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:50 pmSkelton and Lantos opening statements. Very good. It doesn’t sound like they’re going to buy the claptrap.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pmGeneral Betrayus is a Bush Regime stooge, so nothing he spews to Congress will be factual only disinformation/propaganda.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there.”
Progressives and Osama Bin Laden on the same page. The enemy of my enemy…
September 10th, 2007 at 12:52 pmHow should the Democrats respond to the Petraeus report? What can they do to advance the cause? Read and discuss this at http://www.thecoin.org
September 10th, 2007 at 12:52 pmPropaganda…its all Bush has…all he has ever had. The boy is snake bit. Everything he touches turns to crap.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:54 pmOoops thanks! I need to go to that.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:55 pmProgressives and Osama Bin Laden on the same page. The enemy of my enemy…
Comment by paul
Don’t you mean Osama been Forgotten? I think that is how this administration considers him.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“General Betrayus is a Bush Regime stooge, so nothing he spews to Congress will be factual only disinformation/propaganda.
Comment by Jay Randal — September 10, 2007 @ 12:51 pm”
And he has been acting with 100% Democrat congressional approval.
Looks like the kook left fringe loses no matter what.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:55 pmProgressives and Osama Bin Laden on the same page. The enemy of my enemy…
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Good move paul, lets accuse what 65-70% of the American public to being in league with the nutter who as responsible for 3,000 deaths. I am sure that will make you some friends. Got anything to say about the credibility of Petraus, or do you just prefer to launch idiotic attacks?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pmWell, let’s see. We’ve been hearing from Mr. Lantos about how he has already made up his mind that General Petaeus’ report will be useless to him.
Perhaps the rest of the United States disagrees.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pmGeneral Betrayus is a Bush Regime stooge, so nothing he spews to Congress will be factual only disinformation/propaganda.
Comment by Jay Randal
Why do Democrats hate the troops?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:58 pmGeneral Betrayus is a Bush Regime stooge, so nothing he spews to Congress will be factual only disinformation/propaganda.
How DOES Bush constantly trick democrats into voting for things they dont really want? I do believe the dems need to wipe their political-rep slate clean and start over, the current guys are too easily duped.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhy is a four-star general heckling people?
I know, I know. That’s just some really lousy writing.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:58 pmWill Colin Powell please tell us the truth? Does he believe that Petreaus is giving us accurate information?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI’m really afraid that Democrats see the military as another “third rail” which they daren’t criticize.
Among other things, “supporting the troops” means bringing them home and making sure that they are never again used as backdrops and political pawns (which is certainly the way this adminstration has used them).
September 10th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThe idiot Duncan Hunter is spending his time defending the character of Petraeus rather than addressing the facts pertinent to the hearing. And of course, he had to raise the spectre of Moveon.org. heh.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:00 pmBigfoot > some DC Democrats have sold their souls to the devil Bush and some are just too frightened to stand up for anything, but some like Kucinich and Waters are patriots.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:00 pmJay Randal,
September 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmHow’s your irrelevant political activism going?
Well, let’s see. We’ve been hearing from Mr. Lantos about how he has already made up his mind that General Petaeus’ report will be useless to him.
Yes, isnt that something? Petr hasnt said a word and Lantos has already made up his mind. Other dems have been attacking Petr personally, including a MorOn.org ad that said he is ‘betraying America”. Unbelievable.
Its a snapshot of the demise of the democrat party.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmmissmolly, try cspan 3 online.
Comment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Alas — the web blocking software my employer uses blocks all streaming media of any sort. I’m surprised it hasn’t blocked blog sites yet. That’s probably next.
I’ll try to catch the highlights at home tonight — or read what other bloggers who are catching the action have to say.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:03 pmJapaner > not all Democrats in DC are tricked, but enough fall for Bush baloney to keep the Iraq Fiasco Occupation fully funded.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:03 pmMothra > lol > how is your Bush butt kissing working out for you?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWhy do Democrats hate the troops?
Comment by Sammy
No, the better question is:
Why do Republicans love idiotic slogans?
Why do they think that calling Democrats traitors, and America Haters and Troop Haters is working anymore?
Wake up Sammy boy, you people don’t really know sh!t.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:04 pmBush used/abused Colin Powell to sell this aggression and now is using Petreaus to sell the escalation. Fool me once….
September 10th, 2007 at 1:05 pmDecline?
Uh, ok. If they keep declining like this, they’ll have a veto-proof majority in 2 years!
How’s that permanent majority coming, wingnuts?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:05 pmHow DOES Bush constantly trick democrats into voting for things they dont really want? I do believe the dems need to wipe their political-rep slate clean and start over, the current guys are too easily duped.
Comment by Japaner
Because the dems are constantly balancing the lunacy of the criminal enterprise known as the bush administration, with the needs of security here at home and abroad. Bush is a petulant child who knows how to throw little tantrums if he doesn’t get his way. He also employes the most unpatriotic group of losers who know nothing except reverance for our boy king bush. The world is complicated and the dems, while spineless, are trying to bring the US back from six years of ruination. The world is complicated.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:06 pmAnd he has been acting with 100% Democrat congressional approval.
Looks like the kook left fringe loses no matter what.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
that just makes him a good liar, like all successful repukes, bigfoot-in-mouth.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThere are enough democrats, who want to continue what Bush has started, that they will continue to give into his demands. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination. Don’t expect anything to change. She will continue the same policies Bush did. There are only two candidates, that won’t . Ron Paul for the republicans, and Dennis Kucinich for the democrats who will change the war in Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThe idiot Duncan Hunter [...] had to raise the spectre of Moveon.org. heh.
Comment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
think about that…
HE is the one who said it: “general BETRAYUS”…
ha! …thanks for getting that out there, duncan!
September 10th, 2007 at 1:10 pm…
Why have a military if they are just going to sit home? We don’t pay these guys to do nothing. They aren’t welfare queen liberals, like you.
Comment by Spammy — September 10, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Spoken like a true chickenhawk who’d sh!t his pants when confronted by an angry senior citizen, complaining about the soup of the day.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThere are enough democrats, who want to continue what Bush has started, that they will continue to give into his demands. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination. Don’t expect anything to change. She will continue the same policies Bush did. There are only two candidates, that won’t . Ron Paul for the republicans, and Dennis Kucinich for the democrats who will change the war in Iraq.
Comment by Krazny — September 10, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Not true. Once the dems have the veto-proof majority and the White House, things will change, drastically and quickly. Politics is complex, not the black-white scenario of our wingnut morons. And it really doesn’t matter which Dem does the cleanup, it will be a vast improvement over any of the fleabag losers the repigs are running.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pmI predict that the good General is going to ask for another Freidman….
September 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pmWatch on Cspan.org people.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:13 pmIf Bush baby cows the Congress again on Iraq, then he will attack Iran setting off global World War III, so Bush lovers need to be prepared to be drafted with everybody else.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmI agree with Bigfoot. Democrats approved Petraeus 100%. Isn’t it convenient to just attack the messenger, because you don’t like his message. Why, if he was met with so much democrat approval only months ago, does he lack any credibility now?
The answer is that there is no room in the democrats platform for success in Iraq. Sad to say, but that’s the corner democrats have painted themselves into.
Despite what you feel, it would not be bad for the U.S. to have success in Iraq. To the contrary, success in terms of security is possible (probable) and when it happens, Iraq will be seen as an alternative to Islamic theocracy and jihadism. The U.S. will be regarded as a country that follows through on its commitments. And jihadists will understand that westerners (primarily Americans) will defend their liberties. Please don’t vindicate Bin laden when he characterizes America as a paper tiger. Stand up for you liberties and oppose jihadism. It’s a fight that you may think you a have a choice in, but you haven’t figured out yet, that there is no choice.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmComment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
I hope your right. I can’t get over feeling it is like a town council where everyone is on the take. The just swap out who votes yes and no, so you can’t pin the actions on anyone or two people. But everyone still gets a cut of the pie.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmtalk about “Political Theater”!!!!! – listening to it now, and the R’s on the committee are a broadway mega-production, trotting out every single b.s. talking point they’ve ever used, propping up battalions of strawmen….sickeningly dishonest – pimps don’t pander like these people do – I think they could down a shooter of pure bile without flinching, so steady are they at delivering gussied-up lies.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmThe world is complicated and the dems, while spineless, are trying to bring the US back from six years of ruination. The world is complicated.
Tom. Your arguments are falling apart.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:16 pmPetraeus getting ready to give his statement now. His microphone isn’t working. The President’s mouthpiece has no mouthpiece!
September 10th, 2007 at 1:16 pmDuncan Hunter said on CNN this morning that casualities are down 80 %. On Wednes. nite, during the Repub. debates, he said the violence was down 70 %.
Gee, if we wait three more days there won’t be any violence at all by his measure. I can hardly wait.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:17 pmPETRAEUS 2007 = WESTMORELAND 1967
September 10th, 2007 at 1:17 pmpaul > lol you believe the Bush Regime lies like a good Brown shirt boy. Are you prepared to die for Bush in Iran soon?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:17 pmPetraeus just noted that there will be a written statement made available.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:18 pmProgressives and Osama Bin Laden on the same page. The enemy of my enemy…
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Bin Laden’s one goal in attacking America was to draw Bush into an endless “war” and thus bankrupt this country. I’ll be glad to link you to his statements if you so like.
Because of Bush’s folly in Iraq, we are well on our way to that goal.
Bush and Osama Bin Laden on the same page. The enemy of my enemy…
September 10th, 2007 at 1:19 pmFor the record, why are progressives so threatened by apparent success of the surge?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:19 pmIts not about who had approved him then Paul, its about why suddenly the report that was supposed to give us a clear standing on how this quagmire, as decribed by Cheney, is REALLY going.
We have had far too much spin from the WhiteHouse and far too little of what the real picture is. These are servants of the American people and they have a duty to be honest.
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It’s a fight that you may think you a have a choice in, but you haven’t figured out yet, that there is no choice. -Paul
Thats not democracy Paul. Thats not our system of government.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:19 pm“Yes, isnt that something? Petr hasnt said a word and Lantos has already made up his mind.”
“Its a snapshot of the demise of the democrat party.”
Comment by Japaner — September 10, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
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Au contraire. Recognizing that you have been lied to and distrusting the liar henceforth is a sign of mental health, not a sign of demise.
Lantos knows that anything pushed through the Bush-Cheney filter is suspect and not worth trusting. Just as many Soviet citizens recognized that about anything the Pravda printed. Might be true — might not.
Oh, and referring to us as the “democrat” party doesn’t insult us or put us down — it just illuminates your bad grammar. “Democrat” is a noun. “Democratic” is an adjective.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Already quoting the latest “bin Laden” tape, i see…
How fortunate for you that our greatest enemy keeps putting out tapes that are virtual certifications of Chimpy’s policies. What a convenient “enemy” to have.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:21 pmMoron Rep. Burton wants to take preemptive action to remove demonstrators from the room – cuz they “look like they might do something.” Skelton tells him to chill out, he knows how to handle things.
Now Duncan Hunter is getting in on the act, pointing out likely demonstrators to Skelton. All dressed in pink, I assume.
Burton approaches Skelton and tells him he didn’t mean to tell him how to run his committee. Skelton says, ‘the hell you didn’t.” And aide finally shuts off Skelton’s microphone.
Still waiting for the General’s microphone.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWC.
Maybe your right (doubt it) about bin laden’s endless war. Even so, lately, bin laden’s been talk more (almost exactly) like a progressive.
At least, it should cause you to rethink your positions when a jihadist parrots your talking points.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pmHere Paul. Suck on this.
From CNN.com’s archives. Google “bin laden bankrupt America.”
The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which the head of al Qaeda said his group’s goal is to force America into bankruptcy.
He said the mujahedeen fighters did the same thing to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, “using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers.”
He also said al Qaeda has found it “easy for us to provoke and bait this administration.”
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pmBush gives Osama everything he wants.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Because if that was evident, then Petraeus would be making his report known. And hes not, why?
BTW when you say ‘for the record’, I am reminded of Hendler and his cup of false wisdom and disinclined to debate with you.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pm#
For the record, why are progressives so threatened by apparent success of the surge?
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
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For the record, they are not. They are, however, upset by numerous verifiable statistics and specific evidence coming back saying that the surge is not working, while the PR push tries to claim the opposite.
Now, to turn the question, why are republicans so much against changing strategy if the current one isn’t working?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThey don’t seem able to get the microphone to work…perhaps call the NSA? Or Gonzo? He’s not currently working…
PEACE
September 10th, 2007 at 1:24 pmTom. Your arguments are falling apart.
Comment by paul
yeah, I know. Your evidence is overwhelming. It must be difficult to type while hiding under your bed. Stay scared, kid – thats the American way, no?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pmFor the record, why are progressives so threatened by apparent success of the surge?
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
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If the surge was truly successful — in terms that didn’t need to be spun or twisted to show well — then I would be doing a big happy dance.
But when the marks of “success” are so obscure and so hidden behind the statistics of continuing violence and mayhem, we remain somewhat skeptical. This is not being “threatened” — this is being realistic.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pmFor the record, why are progressives so threatened by apparent success of the surge?
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Because, for the record, the apparent success is just that – “apparent.” Potemkin markets and bribed insurgents make for good public relations, but don’t translate to ACTUAL success.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLOL some GOP rats got hungry and chewed the microphone cord off for Betrayus.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pmtripmaster monkey. it would be like 1944’s democrats, aligning themselves with tokyo rose.
I know you hate bush and conservatives; but please don’t sacrifice your liberties to surrender, just so your political sensibilities will be vindicated.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThis just in time for liberal Democrats to spew Bin Laden’s talking points. How does it feel to aide the enemy?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmChris Matthews just commented on Tom Lantos’ ‘wonderful British accent of his.’
God almighty.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmMaybe your right (doubt it) about bin laden’s endless war. Even so, lately, bin laden’s been talk more . -Paul
Hes always been talk, he was talk three years ago. Bush doesnt care or think about him, hes only one man, WHY ARE YOU aping him?
Why would you listen to a Tim McVeigh mass murderer or Bin Laden? Seems Tim McVeigh, a radical evangelical hated the government WAY more than any progressive? Right? What about those Branch Davidians? Seems to me your boy Bin Laden, Paul, is saying what radical right wingers do.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pmAt least, it should cause you to rethink your positions when a jihadist parrots your talking points.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Why should we rethink our positions? It just shows that even a mass murderer can get things right once in a while.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pm‘Tell the truth, general,’ shouted protesters as the four-star general made his way into the crowded hearing room.â€
This hearing has the potential to become a huge embarassment for the Democrats and deal them a real political setback….As yesterday’s NYTimes poll shows, the U.S. people still have tremendous respect for the military and believe they know the best way to end the war successfully. If the TV today and tomorrow is filled with sounds and images of anti-war protesters heckling and attacking Gen. Petraeus, this will be a debacle for the Democrats.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pmFor the record……..
Comment by paul
When jake posts this, you know he is going to be wrong.
Jake, is that you?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pmTom, I’m not scared. I guess I’m just not as naive.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pmWe can’t even get progress on the “microphone problem,” let alone the Iraqi problem.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmfor the record, why does the administration seem to spend much more time and money planning public relations pushes than they do planning the actual war?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmThis just in time for liberal Democrats to spew Bin Laden’s talking points. How does it feel to aide the enemy?
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince — September 10, 2007
The only people listening to Osama or giving him credence are republicans. Why is that?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmjb; How can you say Colin Powell and truth in the same breath? He f*cked up ANY credibility when he spewed that BS at the UN justifying the invasion.
Jay Randal; I REFUSE to be drafted a 2nd time(1st time-Vietnam).
September 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmThis just in time for liberal Democrats to spew Bin Laden’s talking points. How does it feel to aide the enemy?
Comment by Haggar Whacked male hooker — September 10, 2007
How does it feel to have Tim McVeigh and his equal opposite, Osama, on the Radical Republican side?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmCan any supporters of Bush describe the initial idea of the “Surge” and it’s purpose? Can those same supporters describe the notion that opposing Bush is surrender?
I’d appreciate a thoughout response instead of the infantile name calling.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIf there was any “apparent success of the surge,” Paul, your argument might make sense.
But there isn’t, so it doesn’t.
Democrats aren’t the slightest bit afraid of “the success of the surge.” We are somewhat unhappy at the prospect of the failed policy being continued for several more years, ifdishonest Republicans manage to sell an inaccurate picture of a successful effort.
Haven’t five years of cowardly refusal to come to terms with the actual argauments of your political opponents, each of which has been proven absolutely correct, taught you anything about telling yourself pretty lies and ignoring the warnings of your intellectual superiors?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmThis weird microphone “problems” are becoming too rampant to be coincidental. There has been a rash of it lately in Congressional hearings….hmmmh
September 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmSo far neither witnesses have been sworn in.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmBin Laden’s one goal in attacking America was to draw Bush into an endless “war†and thus bankrupt this country. I’ll be glad to link you to his statements if you so like.
Comment by WC — September 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Expect some flak from fellow libs on this. One of their defenses upon hearing that osama shares the view of libs was that he is a nut and you can’t believe anything he says. Unless, of course, you can’t believe anything osama says unless it helps the lib point of view. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pm…
September 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pmwonder how the “dog and pony show” is going?
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For the record, I never post except under my own name. I can’t believe CBS is going to pre-empt “The View” for this testimony though . . .
September 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pmExley > sorry, but the debacle in Iraq solely belongs to the Bush Regime. Nice try to farm it off on protesters at the Betrayus event.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pmBecause the dems are constantly balancing the lunacy of the criminal enterprise known as the bush administration, with the needs of security here at home and abroad.
Yet so many of them claim that they were tricked into war with Iraq, including Hillary who later admitted she never read the NIE report before voting.
I suppose I should wait for the inevitable statements from the dems that they were also tricked into voting for Petraeus and so they have the right to treat a four star general as if he were a wayward child.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThe only people listening to Osama or giving him credence are republicans. Why is that?
Comment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Too bad they didn’t do that in August 2001.
Oh, well. Better late than never!
September 10th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
ALL Republicans are scared, they are submissive lemmings that live on and react to fear, its the reason for the FOX neetwork to show Osama all the time.
The Boogeyman is gonna get you!!
September 10th, 2007 at 1:31 pmNever mind, I just checked all three networks — Price is Right AND The View is still on : )
September 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmHWV, can you explain your opinion that the Democrats are aiding the enemy? Wouldn’t you want to have plans thought thru and hashed out to ensure a more successful outcome than what has transpired so far?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI would not be so sure Exley. I think I read, that around 57% of the people polled don’t trust Petraus’ report. I don’t think a few hecklers will someone how backfire on the democratic party. I do think, that a report filled with lies, and distortions will hurt the republicans.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmThe only people listening to Osama or giving him credence are republicans. Why is that?
Comment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Well, except maybe this guy:
Bin Laden’s one goal in attacking America was to draw Bush into an endless “war†and thus bankrupt this country. I’ll be glad to link you to his statements if you so like.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmComment by WC — September 10, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Oh, look, they’re pretending that approving a General’s appointment is the same thing as approving the strategy he’s been ordered to implement.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmMeet Iggy:
Osama is not on Fox News right now.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:33 pm‘Tell the truth, general,’ shouted protesters as the four-star general made his way into the crowded hearing room.â€
Hacker Bob: Those protesters should be arrested. They were interferring with the General´s workday.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:33 pmLiberals are funny….
the arm chair generals in the media and liberal blogs, who have never traveled to Iraq want Petraus to tell their version of the truth.
It is well known that Liberals will not be happy with nothing else, but Petrause saying that the surge is a failure that the American military is a failure, that the Bush administration is a failure and that we need to leave Iraq right now. This is the only thing that will make our looney toon friends on the left happy.
“Tell the truth general” says a wacked out, crazy eyed left winger who watches too much CNN, reads too much TP, Demoncratic Undeground, etc, etc.
Amazine how Liberals pretend to know more than the general that is leading the troops in Iraq. That is like saying that the anti-war Americans during WWII knew more than Eisenhower during the D-Day invasion. Sounds crazy right? so does the left insisting that they know more than our generals in Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmTom, I’m not scared. I guess I’m just not as naive.
Comment by paul
No sir, you ARE scared. that is why you cling to bush. He says he will keep you safe, and you believe him. Your problem stems from taking orders from authoritarians. You would not support this administration if you were strang, brave, and patriotic. Your words are very clear to thoughtful folks: Please keep me safe and I will give you whatever you want – just please make me safe.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmIm surprise that he didnt magically appear in 2006.
Osama doesn’t want the troops to leave, he’g get massacred in Iraq, he using reverse pyschology to make the idiot republicans stay in Iraq, Osama isn’t stupid, he wants to weaken our economy and military, to slow bleed us.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pm#86,
Jay, Use your political instincts. Attacking members of the U.S. military is never good politics. When the America people see liberals calling Gen. Petraeus — a 35-year veteran of the military who has devoted his life to the service of his country — a traitor and heckling him, it looks bad on TV and it hurts the Democrats.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmDems don’t need no stikin’ report. They already said the war is lost.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:34 pmNo report is going to change the Think Surrender crowd.
I guess I’m just not as naive.
Comment by paul
No, paul. I knew you were not naive when they found the WMDs.
Oh, wait…
September 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pmComment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007
I dont watch FOX, but he is on their website, besides Jake, Or Jason, whatever, your cup of wisdom is empty and has been for a long time.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI can’t believe CBS is going to pre-empt “The View†for this testimony though . . .
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
I doubt that CBS (or ABC, the network that actually shows “The View”) will pre-empt for this. I think that when TP says “all three cable networks”, they probably mean Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC.
Gone are the days of Watergate, when regular network programming was interrupted for congressional hearings.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:37 pmExley > Most Americans know that Petraeus is a Bush stooge General, so do not foist baloney on here about us all needing to respect him.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:37 pmOnly those who value soundbytes over substance will side with what you are saying Exley.
BOB, can you show me where a war was declared?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI guess I’m just not as naive. Comment by paul
Look a mushroom cloud!!
*Paul runs to basement and looks out window,shaking uncontrollably*
September 10th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI will be back later so take care all.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:38 pm“…a deeply divided Congress”
Deeply divided my arse! The Dems aren’t doing anything different than the Repugs. The Dems talk like they are different. But talk is so so so very cheap, it’s practically worthless.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:38 pmRepublicans seem okay with attacking former generals who don’t toe the line. Besides Ex, calling Petraus to tell the truth is not the same as calling him a traitor.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmExley, the General has chosen to be a willing accomplice to this President’s lies and manipulations, made all the more evident by his agreement to appear only on FOX News. I’m afraid I cannot respect that.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmOdd that JFKerry actually responded to one of Osama’s complaints, which was questioning why the democrats werent able to stop the war.
Kerry said, “well we didnt have the sixty votes”, talking as if Obama were a local upset American voter and not the pre-eminent islamic savage of our day.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmFirst off, I’m sick of seeing all those badges and scrambled eggs, as if it means something other than, look at me I’m an elite military arsehole
September 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmIf there was any “apparent success of the surge,†Paul, your argument might make sense.
But there isn’t, so it doesn’t.
Well, there’s this:
“Despite long-standing opposition to the war, several President Bush adversaries in the Democratic Party have recently begun to recognize good news coming out of Iraq.
This falls on the heels of a recent study conducted by the Brookings Institute. Analysts Michael E. O’Hanlon and Kenneth M. Pollack, of Brookings, visited the country and returned with unexpected conclusions.
“We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms,” they said in their July 30 New York Times article. “As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily ‘victory’ but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.”
September 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmWhen the America people see liberals calling Gen. Petraeus — a 35-year veteran of the military who has devoted -Exley
It didnt say Liberals Exley, you injected your VIEW, there are some 210 million Americans who are wanting out of Iraq. Half the Republicans want out.
It said anti-war, that today means Republicans, Independents and Democrats.
Now stop with that lib shit it aint true and you damn well know it.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:41 pmGet rid of the officer class in the military first off. The Revolutionary army was not supposed to have an officer class. No class. The military was supposed to be classless. But Washington took care of that little problem. The officers got paid and wined and dined. The soldiers, the people, couldn’t even get paid.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:41 pmJay,
You and the Democrats are making the same mistake you did back in 1987 when your side totally underestimated the respect the American people have for the men and women who serve in the military and, as a result, the testimony of then-Lt. Col. Oliver North and his enusing popularity took the air completely out of the Iran-Contra hearings. When the American people saw Democratic senators and representatives ripping into North, as he sat there in uniform, their sympathies went to North and the whole tide of that investigation changed….
Hey, look..If you want to ignore political history, be my guest. But you do so at your party’s own political peril.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThe General is now showing pretty charts. Every arrow shows a downward trend! It’s a miracle.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:42 pmAnd no I’m not just jealous because Petraeus is a better man than me.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:42 pmand this:
http://wpherald.com/articles/5737/1/Top-Democrats-acknowledge-progress-in-Iraq/Improved-security-in-Baghdad-highlighted.html
September 10th, 2007 at 1:42 pmKrazny,
“Besides Ex, calling Petraus to tell the truth is not the same as calling him a traitor.”
No…But calling him “Gen. Betrayus” is….And that MoveOn.org ad today is already causing Democrats to squirm.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:43 pmcockment by Japaner — September 10, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
The RWN’s are the one treating Osama as if hes an American, his views dont matter, hes a homicidal nut like (R) Tim Mcveigh.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:44 pmtotally underestimated the respect the American people have for the men and women who serve
Oh yeah like the respect the people showed to all those people suffering from Agent Orange, nerve gas, the various injections they were forced to take.
The returning vets since Vietnam are routinely ignored. Now there’s respect for you. Talk on idiot.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:44 pmOk you right-wing pigs, if liberals = terrorists, please provide ONE example of liberals participating in terrorism.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThey’re shouting at the General again to tell the truth. They will be removed for demanding that this airhole stop reading a bs speech and start talking the truth.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:44 pmComment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
He said he was going to issue a report, nows hes not.
I dont use the term betrayus, never have, nor am I squirming, and you should put down that group think brush you TRY to paint people wit.
I have seen anti-war Republicasn use his name that way as well.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:46 pmCommittee Chairman: General Patreus please speak to us
Gen Patreus: Blah blah blah substantial boots on the ground blah blah blah individuals on payroll of Iraq’s interior blah blah blah security forces will grow further blah blah blah blah blah blah blah substantial growth in Iraqi forces blah blah blah blah
September 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pm#123, “I dont use the term betrayus”
Good for you. It’s a disgrace for anyone to call this man a traitor.
And when I was talking about Democrats squirming over MoveOn.org’s blunder today, I was referring to Democratic politicians.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmGen Patreus: Iraq is now becoming one of the US’s largest military sales customers
Now there’s something to be proud of
September 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmThey’re shouting at the General again…
They will be removed…
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Heh, heh, heh. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI think Petraeus will show a ppt document made by the same guys who presented “solid” proof (read: a ppt) about Iran arming insurgents in Iraq.
The same people that have not found WMDs, that dont care about OBL and that said that they will be greeted as liberators, have the moral authority of lecturing us and Iraqis about whats going on there.
Simply pathetic.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:49 pmIt’s a disgrace for anyone to call this man a traitor
It’s a disgrace that this man and his handlers have not been arrested in the Congress, taken to jail and charged with war crimes
September 10th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThe shouter “and all those supporting” said shouter (including Congressmen?) were removed.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pmComment by lefty — September 10, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
They cant. During the protest against Bush in Autralia, they talked about the possiblity fo riots, walls were erected, thousands of police. 10-20,00o protestors. 3 people got arrested.
Thats it.
The same thing with the GOP primarym they expected riots and all this crap, it never happened. As usual the sky is falling is in (R) cloud cuckoo world.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pmSituation is very different from Reagan in 87 too. Reagan was a popular president. Bush isn’t.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pmI know it’s hypothetical, but what would progressives do, if Iraq is secured and did prove to be an alternative to the intolerant Islamic theocracy that the left ignores.
Opposing theocracy. Seems like it should be a progressive position. How did you get to where you are?
Banking on American failure; I’m glad that’s not my position.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:51 pmTo the contrary, success in terms of security is possible (probable) and when it happens, Iraq will be seen as an alternative to Islamic theocracy and jihadism.
Hmm, Paul, Egypt is a success in terms of security – how much of alternative to theocracy and jihadism is that? Saudi Arabia, US-backed government too – pretty safe place – how about them?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:51 pmHey, look..If you want to ignore political history, be my guest. But you do so at your party’s own political peril.
Comment by Exley
I see you point Ex, but it think it is wrong for us to equate pretty and impressive uniforms with military capability. Americans seem to really want the ‘image’ to be the driving force in a debate – not the facts. I saw Ollie North’s testimony (with his lovely wife sitting behind him), but he still was representative of the administrations plans to subvert the rule of law and cover up for the Iran-Contra arms scandal. So which would you prefer: facts with a basic look, or lies brought to you by folks wearing kewl uniforms? I am hopeful you would prefer facts – after all, used car salesmen also wear shiny outfits.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#132, Krazny, Actually Reagan took a big hit in the polls after the Iran-Contra revelations came out. His presidency was in a real political freefall….Not as low as Bush, I grant you. But he was in trouble in late 86-earl7 87.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmOk you right-wing pigs, if liberals = terrorists, please provide ONE example of liberals participating in terrorism.
Comment by lefty — September 10, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Terror supporters are just as much terrorists as those who carry out the act. That’s where you come in. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmComment by upright left — September 10, 2007
Yeh they remove those Republicans who wanted the TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmBanking on American failure; I’m glad that’s not my position.
America has already failed yet again. Mislead by criminal leaders into bogus wars for profit masquerading as patriotic exploits. The tragedy is Americans fall for it again and again.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmAfter looking at Petragas’s charts I now know that the old adage is true: figures don’t lie but liars will sure as hell figure. Go figure!
September 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmand in 87 the dems had the same problem they have now. they are deathly afraid of being accused of being ‘weak onn security’.
all they had to do then was push back and tell the truth – ollie north was no honorable soldier. he broke the law and shredded documents, proving he knew he was doing something illegal.
he participated in another betrayal of america and the aiding of iran, one of our enemies. from the way you talk about him exley, he sounds like one of your heroes.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pmForce reductions will continue up through Election Day . . .
September 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pmPatreus is lying and lying and lying
September 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pmComment by upright left — September 10, 2007
Thats why McVeigh was a Republican, he knew YOU would support him, thats where your irrational Luntzian ideology comes in.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pmComment by Exley
Um, why is it ok for you to call US traitors but we can’t even allude to our suspicion that this general is just another one of a long line of yes-men who put their loyalty to Bush over loyalty to us and the Constitution.
You are no longer in ANY position to tell us what we can and cannot say.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThe camera just panned to a blond aryan type. Who was that. He looked pissed off. Maybe he’s looking for dissent at the ready to silence it.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pmColin Powell had drawings of something imagined.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pmMid-March 2008 will announce any force reductions, etc. after that.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pmBanking on American failure; I’m glad that’s not my position.
Comment by paul
Then, it would seem impossible for you to reconcile your support for Bush with his many, failures. logic is fun, no?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThats why McVeigh was a Republican, he knew YOU would support him, thats where your irrational Luntzian ideology comes in.
Comment by Vesica Piscium — September 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
In the words of TP libs; Link? ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pmTerrytheturtle. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are better alternatives to Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pmComment by upright left
So we’re now providing material support for terrorists?
Why don’t you STFU and go back to toetapping for tricks.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI know it’s hypothetical, but what would progressives do, if Iraq is secured and did prove to be an alternative to the intolerant Islamic theocracy that the left ignores.
Iraq was an alternative to Islamic theocracy in early 2003……
September 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pma secular police state sure – what are you asking – if progressives supported Saddam? You mean like Reagan, Bush I supported Saddam?
Colin Powell lied to the American people and the UN about those ridiculous photos that supposedly showed missiles and wmd – it was ALL bogus. Yet he used his position and popularity to give the corporate media and WH the cover they needed to begin Shock and Awe. Powell sold out his country
September 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pmTerrytheturtle. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are better alternatives to Iran.
Comment by paul
Paul must be Sunni. Obviously not Shiite.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:56 pmOpposing theocracy. Seems like it should be a progressive position.
Comment by paul
Yeah, but not by killing one million people.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pmComment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
At least he realizes Osama wants the troops to stay, unlike the idiot RWN media than panders to Osamas mass murdering reverse psychology.
Only a fool woud take Osama at his words.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pmWhat is your position paul. Actually spell it out instead of attacking. I’d like to see your position on Iraq. Please include the financial costs as well as target levels of troops. Include the costs to supply the troops and the 100k plus armed private contractors. How long will it take? What are the goals? How are we getting toward them?
I’ve read quite a bit on benchmarks approved by the White House that aren’t being met but I haven’t seen any numbers that tell the american people what it will take to achieve them.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pmTerrytheturtle. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are better alternatives to Iran.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
I’d love to hear why.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pmBush is stalling and it will cost a lot of money and many lives to acomplish what….Steal the Iraqi oil. Just the kind of thing the Jesus crown can get behind.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pmEvery time he mentions “Iran,” take a drink.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmPatreus: Best way to secure our national interests….
And just what are those national interests General.
Patreus: Why military sales to Iraq security forces of course
General will you please come with me, you are under arrest for selling out your country for profit.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmTom. Your position on Iraq is withdrawl, right? Is withdrawl for the U.S. going to be view as American success?
You position on Iraq favors American defeat. You seem threatened by the idea that the surge could be working and security and American success in Iraq is possible. Why?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmHere come the questions!!! 107 Congressmen have 5 minutes each? Almost nine hours of questioning . . .
September 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmEgypt and Saudi Arabia are better alternatives to Iran.
Comment by paul
In which sense? HUman rights?? Oh, yeah…
September 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pmOpposing theocracy. Seems like it should be a progressive position.
Comment by paul
Iraq wasnt a theocracy, idiot. Saddam had gutted the sharian laws some time ago.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pmYeah, but not by killing one million people.
Comment by Juan C — September 10, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Deader than disco, but at least they have purple fingers…..that’s what counts /sarcasm off
September 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pmIs withdrawl for the U.S. going to be view as American success?
The ONLY success involves withdrawal. It is the right, the honorable, the moral, the ethical, the compassionate, the American thing to do.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pmTerror supporters are just as much terrorists as those who carry out the act. That’s where you come in. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
In the words of TP bigots; Link? ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Define “American Success” .
September 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pm#150 – “…McVeigh was a Republican…” Comment by Vesica Piscium — September 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
“In the words of TP libs; Link? ;)” Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
“His only known affiliations are as a registered Republican in his New York days, and as a member of the National Rifle Association while he was in the Army”
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/03/29/profile.mcveigh/
Now, in future when we politely ask for a link from the right-whiners to support their claims, you’ll be more than willing to supply us with at least one, right? ;-)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmBanking on American failure; I’m glad that’s not my position.
No of course that’s not the position of a party that tells you government can’t work and then goes out and fulfills it. No, of course that’s NOT banking on American failure.
Please.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmHellinabucket, you have broken the troll rule…never ask trolls to explain anything seriously.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmAmerica’s NEW Greatest Generation!!!
Not the shouting, right?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmThey’re shouting again. Hurray!!!!! Those shouters are the patriots.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmMr Skelton – you are intolerable
September 10th, 2007 at 2:01 pmand American success in Iraq is possible. Why?
Comment by paul
Huh? I thought it was about Iraqis…
Whats the excuse this week for the invasion?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:01 pmBanking on American failure; I’m glad that’s not my position. -some moron
No, your banking on being bleeding America to death, meanwhile Murtha planned on redeployment, not failure, fool.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:01 pmYou position on Iraq favors American defeat. You seem threatened by the idea that the surge could be working and security and American success in Iraq is possible. Why?
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Success and defeat are meaningless terms in this war.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pmCode Pink = patriotism
September 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pm#135,,,,Tom, I am speaking purely as a matter of political theater and the impact imagery has on actual events and political results. Even political observers and politicians who vehemently disagreed with Oliver North and the Reagan administration later acknowledged that North’s testimony took the wind out of the investigation’s sails, correctly or not.
Same thing could happen here — If Democrats come across as hostile or disrespectful to Petraeus, it will rebound terribly on the Democrats, regardless of the substance of their concerns or Petraeus’ testimony. I am just saying the Dems need to walk a very careful line here and I bet the Democratic Party officials were not happy to see Petraeus heckled today. They know it makes them look bad.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pmRyan Crocker is a crock of s.h.i.t
September 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pmCrocker up next.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:02 pmLol, there’s a tribute to lefties! Aren’t ya proud! ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThat’s where you come in. ;)
Comment by upright left
mmm…in person you would be getting a lawsuit.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:03 pm“A secure democratic stable Iraq is in my view attainable.”
Which view is that Ambassador Crock?
The view of one making money selling armaments to Iraq
September 10th, 2007 at 2:04 pmMeet Iggy says: “Only a fool woud take Osama at his words.”
Maybe you should read what he said back in 1998.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html
September 10th, 2007 at 2:04 pmExley:
You just missed a lady in pink screaming and being dragged out. The Domcratic chairman strongly warned everyone else in the audience that futher outburts will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
RUN, CINDY, RUN!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:04 pmthe surge is about saving face and not being willing to admit a mistake, take a step back, and reset our strategy.
we are being bled to death, our military is being stretched thin and we are actually doing exactly what al qaeda wants.
a little history: the war in afghanistan waged by the soviet union bled them to death and eventually resulted in the fall of communism in russia.
it’s happening to us. and you right-wing whackjobs support it.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pmthere’s a 60% majority that wants the expedition ended.
in a democracy, nothing else matters.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pmFor those who are critical of the corporate media, I suggest that we focus our criticim on the AP, Reuters, and other news services because it seems most outfits nowadays take most of their content straight from the wires. In this report, Petraeus is “heckled and attacked…” Wait. Someone attacked a U.S. General in the halls of Congress? Wait happened? Did they have a gun? a knife? King-Fu? “‘Tell the truth, general,’ shouted protesters as the four-star general made his way into the crowded hearing room.†Oh. He was attacked with words. Harmful words, like “tell the truth.” And of course, if you yell “tell the truth” you are a “protestor.”
This is our news today. It can’t report that “attendees” shouted out, “Tell the Truth” to a man widely reported to intend to deliver a puff piece to the nation. Those people can’t be identified at all. Cetainly not interviewed and then referred to by name. It is far simpler (and useful) to categorize them as “protestors” and thereby invoke past mischaracterizations in the reader’s mind.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pmCode Pink are the true patriots
Ambassador Crocker and the rest of the thugs are betraying this country for money and power
September 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pmDemocratic
September 10th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe Democratic Party leadership have sold out this country too along with the Repug thugs
September 10th, 2007 at 2:06 pm“In the words of TP libs; Link? ;)†Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
You really are so not informed, you can only blame yourself for that you know. Mcveigh was not only affiliated with the NRA and the Republicans he was also a had contacts with a fundamentalist evangelical group called Elohim City and the ARA
Downright stupid.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:06 pmJuan C, I’ve calmly and politely requested details for the supporters of Bush to explain their positions. I would value an honest response but it seems they are too concerned with soundbytes.
I won’t stop asking. They have yet to show what they stand for in any detail.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThey are breaking the law, Eskwaya.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThe closeted Repug thugs and the faux progressive Democrats have sold us out for money and power
September 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pmComment by paul — … also @ 1:58 pm
Define “American Success†.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
he doesn’t want to talk to you, turtle…
September 10th, 2007 at 2:07 pmyour asking the tough questions…
…
Exley´s funny logic:
Shout at a General = shameful
Kill thousands of Iraqis over a lie = right
September 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pmTell the truth Crocker
September 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pmFor the record, that was a DEMOCRAT who ordered Code Pink protestors removed and warned the rest.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:09 pmCrocker: There’s a budding debate about federalism amongst the IRaqis
What bs – budding debate – yeah in the green zone behind flack jackets and bunkers
September 10th, 2007 at 2:09 pm207
I believe it. The Democrats have sold out the country too
September 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pmanti-war critics = alKaida!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI sent this to CNN today.
I appreciate CNN showing the Petraeus hearings in full today, as the case is made to support the policies of the adminsitration. I regret that CNN has not deemed it appropriate to do the same for hearings which would have shown the administration in a less than favorable position.
Have you all seen the ad at moveon.org that has the righties in a snit? http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html
September 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pmThey are breaking the law, Eskwaya.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007
It’s called civil disobedience, and they know full well what risks they take. I admire their willingness to pursue that which their conscience dictates.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007
Maybe you should get that poster of him off your bedroom wall.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCrocker: There’s a budding debate about federalism amongst the IRaqis
It has to do with those walls they were building to separate neighbors, I guess.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pmYou really are so not informed, you can only blame yourself for that you know. Mcveigh was not only affiliated with the NRA and the Republicans he was also a had contacts with a fundamentalist evangelical group called Elohim City and the ARA
Downright stupid.
Comment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
And in your lefty mind that equates with support for his killing people. See, I assumed from your comment that you have proof that sane people voiced support for McVeigh’s killings. Good to know where ya stand, bud. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCode Pink are the true patriots.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pm“You just missed a lady in pink screaming and being dragged out. The Domcratic chairman strongly warned everyone else in the audience that futher outburts will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”
That is exactly what I am talking about…The more things like that happen, the further down you will see Democrats on the committee slump into their seats.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pmI am just saying the Dems need to walk a very careful line here and I bet the Democratic Party officials were not happy to see Petraeus heckled today. They know it makes them look bad.
Comment by Exley
Agreed. The general does not deserve to be heckled or made fun of – even if a person disagrees with his statements.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:12 pmDown with the conciliatory go-along Democrats and the closeted faux values Repugs
September 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe Honorable Gen. Petraeus was attacked by anti-American ISLAMOFASCIST-PROGDEMLIBs!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pmAgreed. The general does not deserve to be heckled or made fun of – even if a person disagrees with his statements.
The General deserves to be arrested and tried for war crimes. Heckling is nothing
September 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pmCivil disobedience is a right and privilege still available to American citizens.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pmSome may disagree with them, but the protestors are courageous enough to risk arrest in order to make the point on which they are so passionate.
Among other things, we would not have womens’ suffrage, or desegregation were it not for civil disobedience.
Exley. You’re very diplomatic. Kudos. But, the problem for democrats is, there really is no fine line to walk. They have committed to Iraqi defeat. They can’t respect Petraeus out of fear that would betray a legitimacy to his view on the situation in Iraq. Despite liberal efforts, successful security and liberty for the people of Iraq, is very possible. For democrats, however, American success in Iraq would prove to be politically lethal, after 5 years of bitter partisanship and defeatist demogogary. Democrats know it’s a mistake to disparage the military, but they also understand that it is the lesser of two evils. It would be much more perilous for them to allow any chance for success in Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:14 pmComment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
The question was ‘McVeigh was a Republican?’ Please try not to move the goalposts, its a sure sign you have been bested already.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:14 pmCode Pink are the true patriots. The General should be arrested for lying and war crimes
September 10th, 2007 at 2:14 pm“You just missed a republican senator tapping his toes and soliciting sex in a public restroom, and another republican senator having to admit that he wore diapers with prostitutes.â€
That is exactly what I am talking about…The more things like that happen, the further down you will see republicans on the committee slump into their seats.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:14 pmOne more exclamation mark and that would have been ridiculous.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:15 pmDemocrats know it’s a mistake to disparage the military, but they also understand that it is the lesser of two evils
What crap. They don’t have any beliefs except where’s the money, suck up to the money and the power.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIslamists are not fascist, moron. YOU are.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pmit would have been nice if the administration would have allowed any chance for success in iraq – you know, by actually planning for the post-war phase of occupation.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pmI noticed that Paul hasnt asnwered what he means by American Success.
Is that a novelty or what?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAnd in your lefty mind that equates with support for his killing people -Upright stupid
Thats what YOUR mind told you. NOT my mind amazing Kookskin. Only a wacko thinks they can read minds.
He was a radical religious nut who blew up a building and so is Osama., thats the parallel.
And we know where the radical religious nuts dwell these days, in (R) ville. You know your friends downright stoopit.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:17 pmIslamists are not fascist, moron.
Comment by lefty — September 10, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
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Islamofascists are!!!!!!!!!!!!
You lefties sure are dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:17 pmDespite liberal efforts, successful security and liberty for the people of Iraq,
Let’s ask the Iraqis shall we? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6983841.stm
Oops, looks like you seem to be watching something else on TV instead of reality. Chuck Norris films? 24 marathon?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCrocker: blah blah blah….meaningful politics….. Anbar province extraordinary results…
Anbar is now controlled by the Sunnis – the SAME PEOPLE WHO BOMBED WTC
September 10th, 2007 at 2:17 pmSome may disagree with them, but the protestors are courageous enough to risk arrest in order to make the point on which they are so passionate.
Comment by Marie — September 10, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Civil disobedience doesn’t require that one make a fool of oneself. Are they doing a lot of good now? How many people will see it on the news, laugh and go on to the next news item. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:18 pm“Because the dems are constantly balancing the lunacy of the criminal enterprise known as the bush administration, with the needs of security here at home and abroad. Bush is a petulant child who knows how to throw little tantrums if he doesn’t get his way. He also employes the most unpatriotic group of losers who know nothing except reverance for our boy king bush. The world is complicated and the dems, while spineless, are trying to bring the US back from six years of ruination. The world is complicated.
Comment by Tom — September 10, 2007 @ 1:06 pm”
So you admit, then, that Republicans are acting out of steadfast belief, and Democrats are acting out of political expediency.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:18 pmAnbar is now controlled the the Wahabis – the Saudi Sunnis – the MOST extreme of Islam – the WTC bombers – that’s who now controls Anbar. They are Bush’s buddies.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#233 – “Islamofascists are!!!!!!!!!!!!” Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
So are all the elected Republi-fascists, including the neo-con right-whiners in the Bush Administration!!! What’s your point?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pm#218, Tom.
Agreed.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pmIslamofascist is a word invented by the current group of neocon toetappers in order to augment their bullsh!t argument that War on Terror = WWII
YOU are the fascists and YOU know it.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pmAnd in your lefty mind -upright stoopid lefty.
A I am not sovereign, I dont lean.
Now, lets talk about this psychic ability that YOU think you have. Are you gonna start helping police locate victims of crimes? Are you gona get on TV and talk to the dead?
I vote upright stoopid for the stoopidest comment of the year.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmBush, Patreus, Crocker have sold out America to the Wahabi Sunni Saudis, the ones who bombed WTC. Anbar province now is controlled by these same people. Onward to Iran. More evidence that Bush has sold our military as a proxy army for the Wahabis to take control of Iran. Wake up folks.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmStill waiting for a definition of “American success” in Iraq and also why the repressive police state of Egypt and the repressive theocracy of Saudi Arabia are better than the state of Iran….. the only difference I can think of is that:
1. Arabs prefer US-backed police states to independent ones
2. 9-11 hijackers come from Egypt and Saudi and not from Iran
3. Egypt and Saudi are supplying a large proportion of the foreign-based suicide bombers in Iraq.
Did I miss anything?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmCivil disobedience doesn’t require that one make a fool of oneself.
Comment by upright left
Nope, in that case Pres Bush would always be doing that.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmfurthermore, the s.o.b. deserves heckling. no one’s going to confuse that with a personal insult to a staff sgt. from North Carolina who’s out doing his job, and doing it well, today.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmTom. Your position on Iraq is withdrawl, right? Is withdrawl for the U.S. going to be view as American success?
You position on Iraq favors American defeat. You seem threatened by the idea that the surge could be working and security and American success in Iraq is possible. Why?
Comment by paul
You sir, have no business ascribing ANY position to me. You don’t know me and you have no idea what positions I have or don’t have. Just because some of us don’t advocate blindly following a failed administration into Iran and then into the gates of hell doesn’t mean we don’t want the best for this country – and the world. As I tried to convey to you: the world is a complicated place. Solutions don’t come in predictable increments, sometimes they don;t appear at all. The managers of this war have failed. Keeping us in the middle of a civil war is not what brought us there in the first place. I am hopeful you can agree with that.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmTo those self-righteous here who are expressing outrage at the disturbance of the protestors, remember this: Today you are deriding the protestors who interrupt the hearings, but think of tomorrow when the hearings may be for you and your own passionate beliefs:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
At least for now, we are still free to protest. You don’t like the interruptions, and those people will have to answer to the law – but they are standing for something important to the nation. Freedom.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pmLEFTIES ONLY WANT THE TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!
Comment by Dean CT
If Twof is women, yes.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:21 pm245
Saudi = Sunni
Saudi Sunni = Wahabi
Wahabi = Bin Laden = WTC bombing
Iran = Shiite – the majority of Iraqis are Shiite
But not for long if Bush, Crocker, Patreus, and Bin Laden have their way
September 10th, 2007 at 2:22 pmGO CROCKER!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:22 pmHow can this guy Crocker get away with comparing Baghdad today with Philidelphia in the 1770’s? You couldn’t find a better contrast to the beaten and bloody Iraqi capital than the affluent, refined, PEACEFUL atmosphere of the birthplace of our nation. I think a more fitting comparision would be between Baghdad today with Atlanta, GA during Sherman’s March of the Civil War; bombed to hell, economically devastated, and fast becoming a “ghosttown.” Shameful…
September 10th, 2007 at 2:23 pmBush and Bin Laden both want the Sunni Wahabis to attack Iran from the Anbar province.
Bush and Bin Laden have the SAME goals.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:23 pmCrocker is on the same side as Bin Laden
September 10th, 2007 at 2:23 pmCivil disobedience doesn’t require that one make a fool of oneself. Are they doing a lot of good now? How many people will see it on the news, laugh and go on to the next news item. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007
I’m sure there were plenty of people who thought the Greensboro lunch counter sit-ins were foolish, too.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:24 pmSo you admit, then, that Republicans are acting out of steadfast belief, and Democrats are acting out of political expediency.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
There are countless people locked away in insave asylums who are also ’steadfast’ in their beliefs. Their beliefs are wrong,of course, but they still subscribe to them. BTW, IMHO every politician acts out of political expediency. They just use different words or images to couch their views.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:24 pmdid anybody see Brittany Spears last night. Awful. Just AWFUL!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmThis would be a great time for debate with facts and evidence from both sides. Is everybody more happy with playground bullying and name calling?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIt only took Bush/Bin Laden 5 years to take over Anbar province and position out military to attack Iran
September 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmHigh, my name is upright stoopit. Today I’m gonna read mr pees mind thru my crt.
*Looks deeply into monitor*
In your mind mr pee, I see pornography, a blow up doll, a basement, a bunch of Jihadists and muslims, I see Osama, another blow up doll, more porno, and a wish for more attacks on America, methampetamones, and cheetos, you are either Republican Dennis Milligan, Stu Byofsky, Ted Haggard, or a GMU student with the initials JD, or JDK, DEAN.
Whoooooo, I am the amazing KookSkin Upright Lefty!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmOf course, the righties will focus on Pink Code rather than try to defend the substance of Petraeus’ “report” to Congress. They must be getting tired of trying to defend lies and manipulations.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmThis would be a great time for debate with facts and evidence from both sides. Is everybody more happy with playground bullying and name calling?
Demand that Patreus and Crocker show some facts and evidence. that would be worth complaining about.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:26 pmExlax; Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus
reference; see Westmoreland, William C.
LMFAO!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:26 pmAll of these protesters are just making themselves, and their causes, look stupid.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:26 pmComment by Dean CT — September 10, 2007
Why do you stil use a water color set and think YOU know what pepole think?
Cause your a (R) Luntzian Lunatic that cant think rationally!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pmBush + Bin laden – they are co-conspirators in the Sunni Wahabi takeover of Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:27 pmCode Pink = true patriots
Crocker is a stooge for Bin Laden
September 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pmcomment by Deano
BECAUSE THIS IS AN ILLEGAL AND UNJUSTIFIED WAR YOU STOOPID SH*T!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pmComment by Turd Ferguson — September 10, 2007
And half of them are Republican!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhy do righties love “six months”? Every time they are asked “when will we see improvement in Iraq?” they say “Wait for six-months!”
They said it in 2003 after Pres. Bush saidd “Mission Accomplished!”
They said it in 2004 as ran for election.
They said it in 2005 to try and explain why there was very little proress.
They said it in 200 as they tried to stop from losing the majority status.
They said it in the beginning of 2007 as they tried to explain why there was still no Iraqi military forcces able to defend their own country.
They said it again in March of 2007 when they wanted “time for the surge to work”.
They are saying it now that it’s been well over six months and the “surge” has not significantly reduced military or civilian deaths.
Why do the righties love failure so much they’re willing to bend over backwards for “six months” forever?!?!? Why are righties so gullible?
Do any righties want to look at a bridge I’ve got for sale? It’s really cheap, and you’ll see a return on investment in six months! I promise! LOL!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pmGeneral Patreus is in the pay of the Sunni Wahabi Bin Laden group, as is Bush
September 10th, 2007 at 2:29 pmI’m a Bush supporter and here’s my position. I believe there is an ideological difference between Islamic fundamentalism and western culture. I believe that if we fail to confront Islamic fundamentalist intolerance to western cultures, we will incrementally cede our liberties to placate Islamic fundamentalists. I believe that the war in Iraq serves a front on a global war on terror that jihadists have declared on the west. I feel it makes more sense to fight the war in the middle east then in Europe or in the U.S. I feel that there is no choice to not fight this war, much like it was not a choice to not fight the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. I feel that a vast majority of middle eastern muslims want the liberties that westerners take for granted. I believe that if those muslims were given a serious alternative to Islamic theocracy, they would choose it and complicate the efforts of fundamentalists to promote jihad, Islamic intolerance, and the regressive ideology that is currently intrenched in the middle east.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:30 pmComment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
You have a little trouble following comments beyond the second round, eh, bud? Let me help ya out.
——
Thats why McVeigh was a Republican, he knew YOU would support him, thats where your irrational Luntzian ideology comes in.
Comment by Vesica Piscium — September 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Where is the evidence that I supported McVeigh? Note the “YOU” addressing me. Try very hard to keep up, bud. Otherwise ya just look like a fool. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWhy do lefties want to repeat the immature protests of Vietnam? Why do lefties insist on being defeatists?
Comment by Dean CT — September 10, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Because obviously the righties weren’t listening the last time we protested a pointless, unjust war. And you’re still not listening.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:31 pmThe Bush 5 year plan – Invade Iraq, retake ANbar for Bin Laden, establish military bases along Iran border, invade Iran for Bin Laden
Looks like Bush can report to his Saudi handlers that he is right on target
September 10th, 2007 at 2:31 pmCrocker should be removed from the room and put under arrest for treason.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:32 pmDemocrat Soldier: They are afraid of losing.
Their wholes lives, self-esteem and probably sexual performance depend on whether their idea of winning is fulfilled or not. It is what they have been told their whole lives: the only important thing in life is to win.
Thats how pathetic they become.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIt is truly a good sign when foreign investors want to invest in Iraqi businesses. Keep it up Iraq. Do not succumb to the liberal defeatists. They are God-less people.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:33 pmI’m a Bush supporter and here’s my position. I believe there is an ideological difference between Islamic fundamentalism and western culture. I believe that if we fail to confront Islamic fundamentalist intolerance to western cultures, we will incrementally cede our liberties to placate Islamic fundamentalists.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Good strategy. So we keep bombing and invading them in order to win their hearts and minds, right?
How many Islamic countries have you actually been to? I’m very curious to see what you think they’re like.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:34 pmOf course, the righties will focus on Pink Code rather than try to defend the substance of Petraeus’ “report†to Congress. They must be getting tired of trying to defend lies and manipulations.
Comment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
It would be code pink that detracted from the process of listening to and questioning Petraeus and Crocker. We would really get a lot out of sitting and listening to those bastions of civility. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 2:34 pmPaul:
1) Not a word about what Iraqis would want.
2) Im sorry for you. You seem like a good guy.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:34 pmCome on Skelton. Redeem yourself for silencing the Code Pink, the true patriots
September 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pmO.K., now here come the questions!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pmPaul had a well thought out comment, imo.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI will note that CNN left for commericals, while Fox News stayed . . .
September 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pmwe fail to confront Islamic fundamentalist intolerance to western cultures
Paul you are soooo misinformed/ignorant
Bush has been paid by the Saudis, by the Bin Laden group, to takeover Iran by way of Iraq. Our sons and daughters are dying for that. For the power and greed of the Saudis and the Bushes, nothing more.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:36 pmHURRAH IKE SKELTON…I love the first salvo!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:37 pmYou’re actually still mouthing after your pro-death-to-America comments?
Comment by Dean CT
You are too stupid even to read, right?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pmCrocker: …. we will bring additional resources to Anbar province…
Of course we will. Give the billionaire Saudis even more of our resources.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pmQuestion # 1: why will the next six months be different?
Crocker admitted everyone, including himself, is frustrated every day we’re in Iraq. We need to maintain tactical flexibility to advance reconciliation where we can, like in Anbar. The surge hit full-stride only in June 2007.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI think toasterhead posted a great question.
Where does Paul´s idea about Islam comes from?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pmTerrytheTurtle asked a very simple question to the Bush supporters here. Define American Success in Iraq. No takers. No Bush suppoter can provide any factual evidence.
So name calling is the new voice of the republican party.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pmJake D – all nonsense, mumbo jumbo, double speak. They are crooks and traitors, selling out our sons and daughters for pieces of eight.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI believe that the war in Iraq serves a front on a global war on terror that jihadists have declared on the west. I feel it makes more sense to fight the war in the middle east then in Europe or in the U.S. I feel that there is no choice to not fight this war, much like it was not a choice to not fight the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. I feel that a vast majority of middle eastern muslims want the liberties that westerners take for granted.
Comment by paul
You speak with passion and clarity – but I respectfully disagree. We have been involved in middle east politics and other geopolitical situations and therefore have created much animosity within certain segments of that part of the world (bases in saudi arabia, elections in egypt, support for saddam, then invading his nation, supporting the shaw of iran, etc…) So we appear to be in that part of the country only for OUR interests, not theirs. After a while, citizens of those nations will start to wonder about us NEVER LEAVING. I am not defending those beliefs, just explaining them. We should not have a large footprint in a country where the vast majority of citizens do not want us there. Also, comparing the japanese attack in Pearl harbor with present day is quite a stretch, and not historically accurate, in my opinion.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pmQuestion # 2: total withdrawal vs. hypothetical, irresponisble rapid-withdrawal — would be you so kind as to comment on intermediate withdrawal?
Petraeus notes that five Army brigades and Marines would be “substantial” withdrawal — any more would be a mistake.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pmHey, look..If you want to ignore political history, be my guest. But you do so at your party’s own political peril.
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
And now North is widely recognized as a first-class traitor, a useless, dull tool who can no longer help the GOP traitors to more theft and treason. Political history is pretty meaningless when the ruling class has nothing but psychopths and thieves in office, as the republicans have had for over 30 years now.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pmI believe that the war in Iraq serves a front on a global war on terror that jihadists have declared on the west
So Paul is saying that Bush is a jihadist. You are correct.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pm#293 – “The surge hit full-stride only in June 2007.” Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
So, we’ll only be successful AFTER we wait for (yet another) six months?!?!?!?
Let me guess, in January 2008, you’ll want to wait for (yet ANOTHER) six months to see if there’s any improvement after we STILL haven’t gotten the Iraqi military trained to defend their own borders.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAdmiral Fallon, and the Joint Chiefs, fully support the current withdrawal plan.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:44 pmBush is a jihadist. Bush has sold out our military sons and daughters to fight the Saudi fight to takeover Shiite Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:44 pmPetraeus notes that five Army brigades and Marines would be “substantial†withdrawal — any more would be a mistake.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
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So you would support the withdrawal of 5 Army BCT’s and 1 Marine MEU?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:45 pmTerrytheTurtle asked a very simple question to the Bush supporters here. Define American Success in Iraq. No takers. No Bush suppoter can provide any factual evidence.
So name calling is the new voice of the republican party.
Comment by hellinabucket — September 10, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Success=Fluent businesses, collective agreement between all local provinces on government issues, Iraqi Military and Police are up, liberty to practice christian ideology, run terrorist groups out of the country.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThe nuclear warheads are currently being transported to Barksdale en route to Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pm#305 – “run terrorist groups out of the country.” Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Well, Saddam successfully did this when he was in power. Usama bin Laden and al Quida couldn’t operate in Iraq because Saddam hated them both.
You’re saying that Saddam was able to accomplish something that the US and our allies can’t!?!?! Why do you hate America?!?!?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pm#115 wrote “First off, I’m sick of seeing all those badges and scrambled eggs, as if it means something other than, look at me I’m an elite military arsehole”
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Dermot, the ribbon on the top row, far right, he got for typing. The one next to it he got for promising to toe the Bush line.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWatching Patreus and Crocker lie, it makes one understand how the French must have felt about guillotining Louis and his wife.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:49 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
First, thank you for responding. Now, I’m not going to question your rationale for believing what you state but I will ask how has the Bush administration lived up to your beliefs? How well have they planned to accomplish what you believe in?
I will disagree with your view of Iraq being the front against terrorists. There was no evidence to support that at the beginning of this conflict and there isn’t any now. Not to say that fighting terrorism isn’t high on my priority list because it is. Your focus (and Bush’s) is just two countrys away. Afghanistan and the mountains of Pakistan should be the focus. Bush has miserably failed there.
Are you fine with the amount of heroin now being made in Afghanistan? It is funding AQ and the Taliban but yet there isn’t any talk of a “Surge” there.
The solutions for Iraq now have to come from within the Iraqi govt. The surge was designed to allow the Iraqi govt. time to formulate coherent strategies. They haven’t. What is the rate of return? How many more dollars and military personnel will be lost before it’s decided that Iraq needs to correct Iraq now?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmTheresa
Yes. And the one on the lower right means he likes to take it in the a.r.s.e
September 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThe surge was designed to allow the Iraqi govt. time to formulate coherent strategies.
Hellinabucket –
Claptrap. The surge was designed to allow the Sunnis to gain control in Anbar the staging ground for the attack on Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pmDermot, the ribbon on the top row, far right, he got for typing. The one next to it he got for promising to toe the Bush line. And no I’m not jealous of his status either.
Comment by Theresa — September 10, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
September 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pmCan any supporters of Bush describe the initial idea of the “Surge†and it’s purpose? Can those same supporters describe the notion that opposing Bush is surrender?
I’d appreciate a thoughout response instead of the infantile name calling.
Comment by hellinabucket
I am not a “Bush supporter”, though I do have a conservative foreign policy outlook in the sense that I adhere to the view that wars can be won or lost and that winning is better than losing.
MONTHS ago, Harry Reid declared the war lost. With our troops in daily battle with jihadis, I found this reprehensible. There are all kinds of historic examples of American leaders declaring defeat while the troops were in the field, and most of them occupy rightful places in the hall of shame.
The purpose of the surge was to alter our tactics to a more classic counter-insurgency approach by making a greater effort to get our troops into the neighborhoods, provide security, and get the population on our side and against the jihadis/militias/insurgents, whatever you want to call them. It has met with sporadic success depending on where you are looking.
Opposing Bush does not equate surrender, but advocating immediate withdrawl of our troops from Iraq most certainly does. What else could you call it? And what the hell do you think Osama et al will call it?
I hate the fact that we spent from 2003 to 2006 in complete denial about what a mess we were in. We could be much further down the road at the same cost in blood and treasure if we had had a better strategy from the beginning. But we didn’t. Bush is still President. NO Democrat with a shot at the nomination will withdrawal in a manner that would satisfy Code Pink/MoveOn et al because it would be an utter disaster and they know it.
We are at war with Islamo-Fascism. The Left in America can say we are not, but the Jihadis themselves disagree. If we leave Iraq now, it will be a propaganda victory for them of unprecendented magnitude and we will be forced to return there eventually.
It is a sad ole world…I wish it were different, but it is what it is.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:51 pmDefine “American Success†.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
It’s taking me a while, but I have a life going on in the background.
American success. First, it has no timeline, just as if you had asked FDR in 1941 how long it would take to defeat Japan.
There is and has been a growing jihadist movement in the middle east. (You can blame the west and the U.S. in particular for the resentment, if it makes you feel better, but it is there).
The problem is, progressives propose leaving jihadists alone or abandoning our support of Isreal or general appeasement. I disagree with that.
I also feel that the only other option is engagement. If we are going to engage jihadists, let’s engage them in the middle east. Let’s engage them now, before nuclear proliferation becomes more widespread in the middle east.
American success could take as long (or longer) than the cold war took. But, it was important to fight the cold war to preserve our liberties. It is also important to fight this war against Islamic intolerance to preserve our liberties.
American success would result in a world in which our liberties are not threatened by Islamic terrorism. Much like American success in the cold war resulted in the reduction of the threat of communism on our way of life.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pmSuccess=Fluent businesses, collective agreement between all local provinces on government issues, Iraqi Military and Police are up, liberty to practice christian ideology, run terrorist groups out of the country.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
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Foreign terrorists are only about 2% – 4% of the insurgent population, or about 3000 people total, however, it is the presence of American forces there that is drawing them in.
Liberty to Christian ideology is contrary to the Iraqi constitution which states that “First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.”
How is an increase in combat troops supposed to increase the “collective agreement between all local provinces on government issues”?
Also, the main issue with the Iraqi Police is that they are deeply divided between militias. Part of them work for the Badr militia, the other with Badr’s sworn enemy the Mahdi Army.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
First, thank you for responding. Now, I’m not going to question your rationale for believing what you state but I will ask how has the Bush administration lived up to your beliefs? How well have they planned to accomplish what you believe in?
I will disagree with your view of Iraq being the front against terrorists. There was no evidence to support that at the beginning of this conflict and there isn’t any now. Not to say that fighting terrorism isn’t high on my priority list because it is. Your focus (and Bush’s) is just two countrys away. Afghanistan and the mountains of Pakistan should be the focus. Bush has miserably failed there.
Are you fine with the amount of heroin now being made in Afghanistan? It is funding AQ and the Taliban but yet there isn’t any talk of a “Surge†there.
The solutions for Iraq now have to come from within the Iraqi govt. The surge was designed to allow the Iraqi govt. time to formulate coherent strategies. They haven’t. What is the rate of return? How many more dollars and military personnel will be lost before it’s decided that Iraq needs to correct Iraq now?
Comment by hellinabucket — September 10, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
I will admit, we made a mistake attacking Iraq, but now we are fighting the enemy (terrorists and insurgents). Do you want these individuals to take over the Middle East and, ultimately, take over the Western countries?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIt is a sad ole world…I wish it were different, but it is what it is.
Keltoi.
Claptrap. It’s not a sad ole world. It’s world of crooks and thieves who will stop at nothing including selling out our military sons and daughters to fill their pockets.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:53 pmHow is an increase in combat troops supposed to increase the “collective agreement between all local provinces on government issues�
Chris L
How about Security. You cannot make key political decision if you are constantly being attacked.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:54 pmDo you want these individuals to take over the Middle East and, ultimately, take over the Western countries?
The Saudis, Bush’s buddies, are the ones taking over the middle east.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:54 pmuh oh, here comes Duncan Hunter of California.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pmHow about Security. You cannot make key political decision if you are constantly being attacked
Sure you can. Bush is in the WH. He’s not under attack. He can drop nukes on Iran. That’s next.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYou’re actually still mouthing after your pro-death-to-America comments?
What the hell is wrong with you!?!?!?!?
Comment by Dean CT — September 10, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
*yawn*
September 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pmDuncan Hunter
He’s a rabid closeted one. He has the look of blood in his mouth. He can’t wait to bomb Iran to cinders for the Saudi mafia. he’s envisioning his next mansion in Dubai
September 10th, 2007 at 2:56 pmPaul, you are spreading propaganda when you say progressives want to leave jihadists alone. That is part of the wall mentality that won’t allow any outside thought in and it’s just not true.
American success shouldn’t mean following the same group that has made mistake after mistake after mistake. American success should also be American stability. Financially and secure at home first.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:57 pmAlso, the main issue with the Iraqi Police is that they are deeply divided between militias. Part of them work for the Badr militia, the other with Badr’s sworn enemy the Mahdi Army.
Comment by Chris L — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
This is why I believe Military Generals should bring all militias together and have a forum to voice their likes and dislikes. This can only be solved by using a diplomatic method.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:57 pmSplit screen of frik and frak, selling out our sons and daughters for pieces of eight.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmDo you want these individuals to take over the Middle East and, ultimately, take over the Western countries?
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Anyone who thinks this can happen is out of their minds.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmI will admit, we made a mistake attacking Iraq, but now we are fighting the enemy (terrorists and insurgents). Do you want these individuals to take over the Middle East and, ultimately, take over the Western countries?
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Which individuals do you mean? The 850 al-Qa’ida in Iraq members? The secular former Saddamists who want their country back? The not quite-so-radical Sunni Islamists? The Iran-backed Badr Brigades? The Mahdi army? How can they take over the Middle East when they can each barely control one province of Iraq?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmMaster P mysterious Luntzian Lunatic and worst mind reader in the world!
Yet I will never stop being an adolescent idiot for the Right Wing Islamic society of America, Vote Romney, Guilianin, Tancredo and free the Muslims!! And give Amnesty to the Illegal Aliens!
An open border is a Free and Safe America!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmThe Saudis, Bush’s buddies, are the ones taking over the middle east.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Wrong, Iran!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmGood post’s Marie, as alway’s….How soon they all forget, I am still remembering an old rant that was very useful and need’s to be resarected today” Better dead than Red”….
The division of our country, the war’s, 9/11 Katrina. huge national debt. distruction of our constitution are all by intent or neglect miserable causes of the bush regime..I could go on for day’s what this evil administration and it’s (follow the leader blindly) has caused our once great country to be come both unsafe and toxic for 70% of her people….Our protesters are doing what they can and should do..For the reich winger’s to bash them show’s their chickenhawk mentalety….If the roll’s were reversed they would be out there in tiny number’s, they would prefere the media, police state or their government silence the truth…Pathetic realy….To bring up Ollie North in defence with Petraus is crazed…..Let’s bring up Nixon for bush…
Petraus will do bush’s bidding,,Period…..If you have to have all this made up crap about Iraq or one has to ask are we winning, the answer must be no…If we were winning BUSH’S WAR it would be apparent and the troop’s would of been home and thousand’s would not be dieing, with no water, power or any services….Blessings
September 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmDuncan Hunter – deeply immersed in the cesspool of armaments manufacturers, wrapping himself in the flag. There ought to be a law against it.
September 10th, 2007 at 2:59 pmhellinabucket. Major mistakes have been made during our effort in Iraq. In war, mistakes will be made. With our media, each one of those mistakes will get ample coverage. If you want to become mired in second guessing everything that has happened, your right, you probably won’t succeed.
But, if you understand that the effort is still necessary despite the setbacks of the past, you also understand that quitting is not the answer.
I believe if you pursue something vigorously enough, you can make it happen. I believe the surge backs that up. I also believe that the effort in Iraq is worth the cost, due to the lack of practical alternatives.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmIt would be code pink that detracted from the process of listening to and questioning Petraeus and Crocker. We would really get a lot out of sitting and listening to those bastions of civility. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Code Pink are simply patriots defending the country against more GOP lying, mass-murder and theft.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmJust listen for how many references are made to Iran and its role as the new bogey man. This is all a distraction….we’re going to bomb Iraq. If you have ANY doubts, put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself:
FIVE EASY PIECES TO IRAN:
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=658
September 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmExley,
September 10th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI’m glad to see your response regarding “some” extreme group calling General Patraeus, “Betrayus”. Your disgust at this very small group is justified.
But, I will also gladly look back in the TP archives to copy posts of your equal disgust when a very small, select few, were calling Presidential candidate Barak Obama, “Osama”
Equating a potential president with our number #1 terrorist (a man whose killed thousands of your fellow New Yorkers) is deplorable. I’m sure your outrage over such comparisons was similar to your outrage now.
This may take me time, but when I find your remarks discouraging such behaviour, I will post them!!!!
Sure you can. Bush is in the WH. He’s not under attack. He can drop nukes on Iran. That’s next.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
You are right. He is not under attack, therefore, he can make political/military decisions to enhance the Iraqi government. Iraqi Officials do not have that luxury.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pmThe Saudis, Bush’s buddies, are the ones taking over the middle east.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Wrong, Iran!
Comment by Daryll
Wrong Bush/Bin Laden
September 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pmWe are at war with Islamo-Fascism. The Left in America can say we are not, but the Jihadis themselves disagree. If we leave Iraq now, it will be a propaganda victory for them of unprecendented magnitude and we will be forced to return there eventually.
It is a sad ole world…I wish it were different, but it is what it is.
Comment by Keltoi
No we won’t. Once we are gone, they would have what they wanted: us leaving. I also find it amusing you describe them as islamo-facism. Did limbaugh or hannity give you that big word to say? Our enemies in the middle east don’t describe themselves that way – only in America do we do that. Our midguided and misdirected amibitions in that part of the world is what makes us hated in that part of the world. If we spend 1/2 of the money we are spending in Iraq, we could invest in alternative energy sources which would wean us off of oil (which is disappearing anyway). We would not be anywhere near that part of the world, if there were no oil there.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pmDaryll of Parodyll,
Glad you’re here.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHey, is suicide a sin?
You are right. He is not under attack, therefore, he can make political/military decisions to enhance the Iraqi government. Iraqi Officials do not have that luxury.
The Iraqi government doesn’t exist. He’s making military decisions to enhance the Saudi Bin Laden agenda for Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:02 pmCode Pink are simply patriots defending the country against more GOP lying, mass-murder and theft.
Comment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
They’re really effective right now aren’t they? ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 3:03 pmRep Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Repug Florida
Here’s a perfect example of the dross that Castro expelled from Cuban prisons and sent to Florida on boats
September 10th, 2007 at 3:03 pmDo you want these individuals to take over the Middle East and, ultimately, take over the Western countries?
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Anyone who thinks this can happen is out of their minds.
Comment by Krazny — September 10, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Krazny, you gullible person, that is the whole plan for these extremists. Have you read Revelations?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:04 pmUpright Left – Code Pink got your demented attention. They must be doing something right that even an America hater like yourself would even remember a patriot’s name.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:04 pmDaryll
You are very very ignorant. You have it all backwards, just as Bush jihadists want you to.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:05 pmWe are at war with Islamo-Fascism. The Left in America can say we are not, but the Jihadis themselves disagree. If we leave Iraq now, it will be a propaganda victory for them of unprecendented magnitude and we will be forced to return there eventually.
It is a sad ole world…I wish it were different, but it is what it is.
Comment by Keltoi — September 10, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
No we aren’t. This is an even more moronic phrase than saying “we are at war with Terrorism.” At least the abstract concept of terrorism is real. Islamo-Fascism isn’t even an ideology, it’s just a catchphrase made up by Republican strategists.
The reason jihadis are fighting the West in Iraq is because the West invaded Iraq. The West has been invading Iraq – and the other arbitrarily-drawn countries of the Middle East – for well over a century now. This is not a religious struggle. Islam is not trying to take over Christianity or Judaism, despite what a handful of radicals on all sides might say.
The struggle in the Middle East is primarily about neo-colonialism and Western corporate control of Middle East resources. Religion is merely a motivating factor, a rallying cry. It is not the main issue.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:05 pmpatreus is now targeting Syria too. That’’s also part of the 5 year plan for Saudi takeover of the Middle East.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWe are at war with Islamo-Fascism. The Left in America can say we are not, but the Jihadis themselves disagree. If we leave Iraq now, it will be a propaganda victory for them of unprecendented magnitude and we will be forced to return there eventually.
It is a sad ole world…I wish it were different, but it is what it is.
Comment by Keltoi — September 10, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
We are at war with a non-existent, made-up ideology, then. there is no fascism in a non-state entity. You have proven with that statement that you have given zero thought to your reponse, you’re no different from a dog humping Bush’s leg. A propaganda victory depends on the “losers” ignorance, it’s just talk. why care if the “jihadis” get a propaganda victory, since very day we are in Iraq is a massive propaganda victory for them?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWhich individuals do you mean? The 850 al-Qa’ida in Iraq members? The secular former Saddamists who want their country back? The not quite-so-radical Sunni Islamists? The Iran-backed Badr Brigades? The Mahdi army? How can they take over the Middle East when they can each barely control one province of Iraq?
Comment by toasterhead — September 10, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Iran wants us to leave so they can take over a big portion of the country. They want to see dysfunction. Once they take over Iraq and all of Iraq’s interest, our market will fall.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmHow about Security. You cannot make key political decision if you are constantly being attacked.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
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Yet, our current strategy involves arming Sunni militias. This only increases the sectarian tensions. The greater majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are Sunnis from Saudi Arabia. I agree that you cannot make political decisions if you are constantly being attacked, but adding more soldiers to the conflict only adds more fuel to the fire.
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This is why I believe Military Generals should bring all militias together and have a forum to voice their likes and dislikes. This can only be solved by using a diplomatic method.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
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This is a good idea, but it is not accomplished by our tankers and artillerymen. Also, the Sunni bloc of the Iraqi government has walked out over security concerns. And much of the Iraqi government that is Shia, our nation has labeled as “terrorists”, so they won’t be to happy to work with our generals.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmDeano(or is it Bean-o?) On why the lefties protest, consider this quote;
“there comes a time when silence is betrayal.”- Martin Luther King Jr.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:07 pmhellinabucket.
“Paul, you are spreading propaganda when you say progressives want to leave jihadists alone.”
If we withdraw from Iraq and the country falls into chaos, don’t you think jihadists will claim victory and be emboldened. Don’t you believe that fence sitting muslims will decide that it’s safer to side with pro-jihadist Islamic fundamentalists than it is to stand up for the liberties that westerners consider inalienable rights?
This is a very real battle that you think can be won by giving up.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:08 pmUpright Left – Code Pink got your demented attention. They must be doing something right that even an America hater like yourself would even remember a patriot’s name.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
I know the names of plenty of patriots. I don’t know the name of a single code pink nut. They did give me a good laugh, so they are good for something I suppose. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIran wants us to leave so they can take over a big portion of the country. They want to see dysfunction. Once they take over Iraq and all of Iraq’s interest, our market will fall.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Iran had 10 years to take over the country, and never moved a step in that direction. As usual, your ignorance is outweighed by your stupidity.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmKudos to Medea Benjamin and Code Pink!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIran wants us to leave so they can take over a big portion of the country. They want to see dysfunction. Once they take over Iraq and all of Iraq’s interest, our market will fall.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
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The Iranian officials that have been visiting Iraq lately have been there at the behest of the Iraqi government. If the Iraqi government wants to have open relations with Iran, that is their right as a sovereign nation-state.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmUpright left – you wouldn’t know a patriot if she fell on you. You think Bush is a patriot. Bush/Bin Laden sold out our military to Saudi Arabia for billions.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:09 pmIran wants us to leave so they can take over a big portion of the country. They want to see dysfunction. Once they take over Iraq and all of Iraq’s interest, our market will fall.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
What makes you think Iran would have any better luck controlling Iraq than we do?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI know the names of plenty of patriots. I don’t know the name of a single code pink nut. They did give me a good laugh, so they are good for something I suppose. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
No patriot would have anything to do with an al Qaeda supporter like you.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pmYou are right. He is not under attack, therefore, he can make political/military decisions to enhance the Iraqi government. Iraqi Officials do not have that luxury.
The Iraqi government doesn’t exist. He’s making military decisions to enhance the Saudi Bin Laden agenda for Iran.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
We could truly care less about Bin Laden. We want to take out his fighters, not one man. Al Queda can always find a replacement for Bin Laden.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:11 pmSo Ros-Lethen’s question was just a faux question. How much does she get paid to front for these crooks.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWe could truly care less about Bin Laden. We want to take out his fighters, not one man. Al Queda can always find a replacement for Bin Laden.
B.ull s.hit. Why do you think he doesn’t bother finding Bin Laden. Bin Laden is his buddy.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:12 pmDon’t you believe that fence sitting muslims will decide that it’s safer to side with pro-jihadist Islamic fundamentalists than it is to stand up for the liberties that westerners consider inalienable rights?
This is a very real battle that you think can be won by giving up.
what anybody “believes” in unimportant. What history shows is that you are wrong. Westerner “inalienable rights” have already been stripped by bush, so you’re just full of it.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWe could truly care less about Bin Laden. We want to take out his fighters, not one man. Al Queda can always find a replacement for Bin Laden.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
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Al-Qaeda’s base of operations is in Pakistan according to our own intelligence agencies, not Iraq. They make up less than 2% of the fighters in Iraq. Also, Al-Qaeda is a Sunni group funded by Saudi Arabia. Iran is supporting the Shia, which currently make up the whole Iraqi government.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Thanks again for actual debate Paul. I don’t advocate immediate withdrawal. I have said from the beginning of this mess that in order to accomplish what this administration intended (which they never planned out and is the major source of the problems today) is that our troop levels needed to be 3 times what they were. I did not agree with the rationale to invade Iraq. They never explained well enought for my satisfaction to put our military in harms way. But they did and we can’t go backwards. History is already being written about Iraq but it’s far from over. It won’t be won militarialy. It can only be won when the Iraqis themselves stand up. That’s not happening now either.
I believe our military would be serving us better by hunting down OBL and stabilizing Afghanistan.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:13 pmUpright left – you wouldn’t know a patriot if she fell on you. You think Bush is a patriot. Bush/Bin Laden sold out our military to Saudi Arabia for billions.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
You’ll be posting proof that I think Bush is a patriot, I assume. Bush didn’t sell out our military to anyone and Osama seems to have quite a few views of America that mirror prog posts here. Unless that video turns out to be a fake, looks like there’s solid evidence that osama is on your side regarding what American policy ought to be. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 3:14 pmDaryll
Bin Laden’s family bailed Bush’s ass out of a series of corporate bankrupties. The Bin Laden’s were always there to catch the little f’c'er ever time he fell.
Pay back is a b.t.ch too, especially if you are one of the soldiers Bush sold to the Saudis.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWe could truly care less about Bin Laden. We want to take out his fighters, not one man. Al Queda can always find a replacement for Bin Laden.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
then why is this convenient video being made available for you frightened little bed-wetters? for a man nobody cares about, he gets an awful lot of press. Al Qaeda already has their replacement for Bin laden; his name is George Bush.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:14 pmUpright Left
BinLaden = Bush
They are twins
September 10th, 2007 at 3:17 pmUnless that video turns out to be a fake, looks like there’s solid evidence that osama is on your side regarding what American policy ought to be. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Well, Bin Laden ahs already proven to be much smarter about how America operates than anyone in the Bush administration, so perhaps he’s 100% right! Bushco has been 100% wrong, so the odds of Osama knowing more about international relations and the balance of power than the proven losers and liars in the White House are very, very good. Keep making my points for me, it’s better for you to be my tool than the republicans’.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:17 pmIf we withdraw from Iraq and the country falls into chaos, don’t you think jihadists will claim victory and be emboldened. Don’t you believe that fence sitting muslims will decide that it’s safer to side with pro-jihadist Islamic fundamentalists than it is to stand up for the liberties that westerners consider inalienable rights?
This is a very real battle that you think can be won by giving up.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Again, that depends which jihadists you mean. The al-Qa’ida jihadists will probably be defeated pretty quickly by the less-radical Sunni jihadists who have been putting up with them until now. The secular former-regime jihadists will probably fight them as well as the less-radical Sunni jihadists. If these Sunni jihadists manage to put aside their differences, they might take on the Kurdish jihadists and Shi’ite jihadists in order to control a portion of the oil-rich region of the country. And the Shi’ite jihadists will continue fighting each other for much the same reason.
So, yes, the jihadists will be emboldened. And they’ll all be fighting for the Inalienable Right to Property.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pm“Dermot, the ribbon on the top row, far right, he got for typing. The one next to it he got for promising to toe the Bush line.
Comment by Theresa — September 10, 2007 @ 2:48 pm”
#308, Actually, Theresa, Gen. Petraeus’s honors include:
Defense Distinguished Service Medal
Two Distinguished Service Medals
Two Defense Superior Service Medals
Four Legions of Merit
Bronze Star Medal for Valor
State Department Superior Honor Award
NATO Meritorious Service Medal
Gold Award of the Iraqi Order of the Date Palm
Master Parachutist wings
Air Assault wings
Ranger tab
Combat Action Badge
French parachutist wings
British parachutist wings
German parachutist wings
Maybe you shouldn’t speak when it is clear you have no idea about what you are talking.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:18 pmBush-Bin Laden Symbiosis Reborn
By Robert Parry
Consortium News
Saturday 08 September 2007
” Just as Sylvester and Tweety Bird achieved lasting Hollywood fame from their comical cartoon chases, the less amusing duo of George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden continue to benefit each other by reviving their long-distance rivalry, one posturing against the other in a way that helps them both.
In a new video, al-Qaeda leader bin Laden again taunts Bush, the United States – and then the Democrats for not forcing an American withdrawal from Iraq, which should help guarantee that the Democrats won’t dare press for a withdrawal from Iraq.
At a summit of Pacific Rim leaders in Sydney, Australia, President Bush then did his part, highlighting bin Laden’s Iraq comments:
“I found it interested that on the tape Iraq was mentioned, which is a reminder that Iraq is part of the war against extremists. If al-Qaeda bothers to mention Iraq, it’s because they want to achieve their objectives in Iraq, which is to drive us out.”
Except that U.S. intelligence has long concluded that al-Qaeda really wants the opposite: to bog the United States down in a hopeless, bloody war in Iraq that has been a boon for recruiting young jihadists, raising money and protecting al-Qaeda’s leadership holed up in base camps inside Pakistan.”
September 10th, 2007 at 3:19 pmHaha, you people are idiots.. Bin Laden’s replacement is Bush?? Take a step back and look at yourselves and how ridiculous you look and sound.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pmIf we withdraw from Iraq and the country falls into chaos, don’t you think jihadists will claim victory and be emboldened. Don’t you believe that fence sitting muslims will decide that it’s safer to side with pro-jihadist Islamic fundamentalists than it is to stand up for the liberties that westerners consider inalienable rights?
Don’t you think realize that right-wing prediction are worthless?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pmUS intelligence only got it partly right. Al Qaeda doesn’t want US bogged down in Iraq. The bogged downedness is an agreed upon stalling for the real goal – Al Qaeda’s attack on Iran, provided by the US military.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pm#332 Sharon
September 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmYou make a very good point: If we were indeed “winning” in Iraq we wouldn’t have to ask if we’re winning, or making progress, or seeing improvement. The sorrowful fact is that we have people in power and people who salute them (civilian and military) who cannot admit failure, in part beause they don’t know it when they see it unfold before their eyes, and they will send the children of the rest of us off to fight their proxy.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Paul, if you believe Iraq will only fall into chaos if we leave then you haven’t fully looked at what’s going on now.
Our country will stand up against much more than what has been thrown at us already. No jihadist group is going to bring us to our knees.
The bloodbath that has been Iraq for the last 5 years is due to the lack of understanding we had on the different factions within Iraq. Another mistake this administration is guilty of that cost untold thousands of lives. It was a knee jerk reaction this administration had with it’s priorities more focused on loyalty to the republican party and Bush instead of the United States of America.
A drawdown of troops to become more of an advisory role than primary security roll will force Iraq to stand up.
It never ceases to amaze me how fervant people are about Iraq but don’t have the same intensity when it comes to failures within our own country.
Whether it’s true or not, the republican party has given the impression that our money is better spent halfway around the world than within our own borders. I would rather spend the money securing borders, ports, increasing VA benifits, repairing levees and increasing the general population well being here in the USA.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmTurd
September 10th, 2007 at 3:21 pmTake a look at yourself. Your name says it all.
Bush is providing Al Qaeda with the US military to use to invade Iran.
The true definition of treason.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI think toasterhead posted a great question.
Where does Paul´s idea about Islam comes from?
Comment by Juan C — September 10, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
I’m no expert on Islamic intolerance, but here are items I’ve seen in the news.
It’s illegal to have a bible in some middle eastern countries. The man in one middle eastern country who claimed to be a christian was on trial and being threatened with death because of his faith. Millions of Muslims have violently protested the Danish government for cartoons of the prophet Mohamed. Death threats by muslims against the Pope for comments he made. Numerous acts of terror against westerners (before and after 9/11). Simple acts of refusing muslim taxi drivers to transport blind people with seeing eye dogs or people with alcohol. Greater intolerance for homosexuals, women’s rights, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:22 pmDermot; consider yourself corrected here. In the marines, the saying is “payback is a motherf*cker.”
Just thought you’d like to know from a former Navy corpsman who pulled duty with the marines
September 10th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThe true definition of treason.
Bush is providing Al Qaeda with the US military to use to invade Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:23 pmPaul, really, Islamists are not going to destroy this country or take over. They can’t even take over Iraq. Gimme a break. You rightwing pigs overhype the threat because you have profited politically.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pmUncle Ho
I’ve always heard the word beyatch used. I think it has a better ring, no offense to the Marines intended
September 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
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You are very right. I lived for a short while in Saudi. They adhere strictly to Muslim law (just as Iraq proposes to do in their constitution), and there is extreme intolerance.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:24 pmExlax; you forgot his medal for ass-kissing
September 10th, 2007 at 3:25 pmIn response to my ‘define American success’ question you come up with:
American success would result in a world in which our liberties are not threatened by Islamic terrorism.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
That was it? How do you measure this? How do you know when you have ‘won’? In context of Iraq, how do answer the above questions? How many of your liberties are you willing to give up: you’ve already lost privacy, habeas corpus and de facto the right to protest to your president freely (see the ‘Denver Three’ case).
Your entire position is predicated on ‘they hate us for our freedom’? Sir, you need to read more and think more for yourself. You apply your solutions based on this facile statement? Start with the Bin Laden Manifesto and try to read it and put yourself into the average Saudi or Yemeni or Egyptian or Pakistani man’s shoes…. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4943842.stm
September 10th, 2007 at 3:25 pmKUDOS to Code Pink! They go out and do what we hide behind the pen to do.
General Petraeus made what sounded like a subtle ref to the Iraq War being fought ..”and also in cyberspace”.
It would be unfortunate if we have degraded our intellect to the level of the barbarians we choose to civilize by issuing veiled-threats against charges we have sworn to “protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic”.
Maybe it would be better if I ask:
Is General Petraeus making what sounds like veiled-threats on silencing healthful dissent and free speech in “cyberspace”?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:26 pmMaybe you shouldn’t speak when it is clear you have no idea about what you are talking.
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
And almost all of those medals and tabs are no more valuable then gold tars on your forehead in 2nd grade. A bunch of polital hackery and BS.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:27 pmIraq is a lose lose situation, stay you lose, pull out you lose, win you lose.
There is no good answer to it. It was planned from the start that we would be there for many, many years for control of ME oil.
It matters not what the good general says, it will not change anything, that is not Bush’s plan. As long as corporations and their government counter parts are making war profits (Cheney/repukians) (and some of the Dems too) then it will never end.
And all you conservative that are always saying crap about what Us Libs Think, you are all brainwashed morons, you don’t know jacksh!t about what we think, so STFU idiots.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Gotta get back to the hearing. We can hook up later on…
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmIs General Petraeus making what sounds like veiled-threats on silencing healthful dissent and free speech in “cyberspace�
James, there may come a time, if the Dems continue to say nothing and just go along for the money, that Bush will be forced to put the US under martial law after he bombs Iran and the economy crashes.
Then I would be that Daryll and Jake D will be on here talking to themselves. The rest of us will be silenced.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThey consider their land holy. It is a matter of meddling in foregin affairs since we are dependent on the OIL. They don’t hate our way of life. They hate that we are there. And why we are there. Sure, they will take our money but they HATE us being there.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pmBTW, Paul, please let me know why Saudi Arabia and Egypt are preferred to Iran…. still waiting for that cutting analysis. But if you are going to give the intellectual detachment you displayed in addressing the ‘define success’ question, please don’t bother…. just acknowledge you prefer US-supported oppressive police and theocratic states before a fully-independent theocratic state. This is called “they may be bastards, but at least they are our bastards”. Check out how well this policy worked by investigating the origins of the 1979 Iranian Revolution……
September 10th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI hate to point this out, but CNN just went to another commercial break (during a DEMOCRAT’S question) and I had to switch to Fox News to complete coverage.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:30 pmBob, Who is They. The Saudis don’t hate us being in Iraq. They want us to go into Iran too. They just don’t want our troops in Saudi Arabia.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:30 pmJake D, quit lying about what you hate. You are just like Bush/Bin Laden. You lie and lie and lie about lying, until you don’t know the truth, and you certainly can’t handle the truth when it smacks you in the face.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
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Try CSPAN 3. It is uninterrupted.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Non of which has any chance to take hold in western countries.
As an aside to Daryll. I have read the book of revelations. I thought it was interesting.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pmDo you really think perpetuating this will solve anything?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” wants to check CNN’s coverage vs. Fox News, please let me know.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“Our country will stand up against much more than what has been thrown at us already. No jihadist group is going to bring us to our knees. ”
I agree with you, but just so you know what we’re in for:
There is alot of intel that suggests that there are jihadist controlled nukes inside the U.S. The fear is that jihadists are amassing several or a dozen nuclear weapons for similtaneous detonation in major U.S. cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta, L.A., Miami, etc.) These are real nukes, not dirty bombs.
Of course, the intel could be wrong. But few would doubt the desire of jihadists to attempt it, and many who understand the state of security of the former Soviet Union’s nuclear weapons, (and the porous nature of our borders) would discount it’s possibility.
This is the kind of threat that progressives ignore or deny. But, although we would persist under the scenerio, it makes today’s sacrifices seem insignificant.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmIs General Petraeus making what sounds like veiled-threats on silencing healthful dissent and free speech in “cyberspace�
Comment by James Saville Row — September 10, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
I think he might be referring to the web sites – and also glossy pamphlets and magazines – that the various insurgent groups all use to self-promote and to trash-talk other insurgent groups.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI don’t get that channel, but thanks, Chris L.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe lawyers in Congress think they can have a rational argument with Patreus/Crocker about the timing, the troops, etc. When they do that they just play into the hands of the jihadists – Bush, Bin Laden, Patreus, Crocker
September 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI think this board is full of 2nd amendment fanatics that think everything can be solved at the end of a gun.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pm#
If anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†wants to check CNN’s coverage vs. Fox News, please let me know.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
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No commercials!
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3
September 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pmJames Saville Row; I do NOT hide behind Code Pink. I participate in anti-war protests quite a lot. Here, in Port Huron each month and in DC for the 3rd time this year in another 2 weeks.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThis is the kind of threat that progressives ignore or deny. But, although we would persist under the scenerio, it makes today’s sacrifices seem insignificant.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
John Kerry discussed this issue actively during the 2004 election. Progressives aren’t denying anything. At least I’m not. I do think that we need to fight the Islamic extremists. I also think Bush and his group have done a very poor job of it.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:35 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
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How does keeping our troops (and National Guard) in Iraq keep these domestic terrorists from using the nuclear weapons you claim they already have in America?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThere is alot of intel that suggests that there are jihadist controlled nukes inside the U.S. The fear is that jihadists are amassing several or a dozen nuclear weapons for similtaneous detonation in major U.S. cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta, L.A., Miami, etc.) These are real nukes, not dirty bombs.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
And where on Earth did you come across this information?
Just FYI – 24 is a fictional series. It’s not real. I know it’s hard to distinguish between Fox Network and Fox News sometimes, but you really should try.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pmPatreus believes he’s taking more bad guys off the street than are being put on the streets. War strategy by mathematics speak. People are always impressed by that kind of elitist crap.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pmIs General Petraeus making what sounds like veiled-threats on silencing healthful dissent and free speech in “cyberspace�
James, there may come a time, if the Dems continue to say nothing and just go along for the money, that Bush will be forced to put the US under martial law after he bombs Iran and the economy crashes.
Then I would be that Daryll and Jake D will be on here talking to themselves. The rest of us will be silenced.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
THE END. Nice fairytale.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:37 pmDaryll
But you realize you will be alone speaking to yourself. It will get boring before you are flushed down the toilet of history, because truth will always win over the lies and deceit of traitors.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pmRep Jim Saxton, Repug NJ – is now sucking up Patreus’ arse. Patreus is pretending to right down these pearls of scum. Maybe they met in the men’s room during the break.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:39 pmCode Pink is shouting down Saxton — Excellent
The true patriots will never be silenced
September 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pmno need for that kind of talk. I do have a question, though. WHO is and what is now considerd the coalition?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:42 pmIf SKelton had any patriotism in him, he would get up, throw his gavel at Saxton’s head, and leave in disgust at the bs being served up to the American people.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:42 pmno need for that kind of talk – Bob
What kind of talk Bob. No need for lies dripping from the bloody lips of Patreus
September 10th, 2007 at 3:43 pmComment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
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How does keeping our troops (and National Guard) in Iraq keep these domestic terrorists from using the nuclear weapons you claim they already have in America?
Comment by Chris L — September 10, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
This is the reason why I stated that we should bolster our immigration policy. We have too many Indians/Arabs/European students that have resided over their visa expiration date. This is more of an ICE/CIA/FBI/DIA issue.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:43 pmExley:
Another protestor (Asian, not wearing pink, this time screaming “How can you thank him when we are in Iraq . . .) but no Capitol Police in sight — they finally came in and took her away.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#
no need for that kind of talk. I do have a question, though. WHO is and what is now considerd the coalition?
Comment by Bob — September 10, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
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* United States: 250,000 invasion–168,000 current (9/07)
* United Kingdom: 45,000 invasion–5,500 current (5/07)
* Poland: 194 invasion–2,500 peak–900 current (2/07)
* Australia: 2,000 invasion–638 current (2/07)
Poland is said to be pulling out soon.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:44 pmNo Daryll – we have too many treasonous-thinking people like you in this country.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThen, imo, they should stop saying coalition. It’s disgraceful.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:45 pmI will believe the Democratic Chairman about “we intend to prosecute” protesters when I see it.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:46 pmCrocker is asked a hypothetical about what would happen if we withdraw. He makes up some bs about death and destruction.
then along comes Congressman Smith from NJ who characterizes Crocker’s musings as fact.
This is how the traitors build their case of lies on sand and spin, or spit.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSkelton appears to have some conscience.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmTHE END. Nice fairytale.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
St Darryl – where in that book you keep in the downstairs bathroom, are fairies mentioned. You will need to scourge yourself in penitence for talking about such dark magic.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmAbu Graib is near the Sunni Shiite fault line, according to Patreus.
interesting geographical illusions of the deluded
September 10th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThere is nothing inherently wrong with the benchmarks, according to Crocker. They are just a crock. And he oughta know about that.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pmso, asidwe from disagreeing. What is the solution here.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pmNo Daryll – we have too many treasonous-thinking people like you in this country.
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Why, because I’m not a liberal thinker? Because I refuse to let someone dupe me? I refuse to allow terrorists to impose and threaten Western nations. If you were a genuine person full of good will, you would refuse to, as well.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pmCongressman Ortiz. A Gonzales wannabe. Lobbing softball questions. A Democrat performing for the Repug crooks.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmPoland is said to be pulling out soon.
Comment by Chris L — September 10, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
So is the UK. Australia will most likely leave once Howard is defeated as well. Course Bush thinks the Austrians are helping us, so God knows what is going on in his pea-brain.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmWhy, because I’m not a liberal thinker? Because I refuse to let someone dupe me? I refuse to allow terrorists to impose and threaten Western nations. If you were a genuine person full of good will, you would refuse to, as well.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Daryll you have already been duped by your cult leader. Please don’t make yourself look anymore foolish.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmDaryll
No because you either believe or are in on the crooked deal to sell our military sons and daughters to the Saudis to fight their fight to control the middle east. You are by hook or by crook, a jihadist.
THAT”S WHY
September 10th, 2007 at 3:53 pmSo is the UK. Australia will most likely leave once Howard is defeated as well. Course Bush thinks the Austrians are helping us, so God knows what is going on in his pea-brain.
Comment by Krazny — September 10, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
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Agreed. Australia’s government has promised to stay until the middle of next year, however, once their next election is complete this November, I think IMHO they will defer to the end of the UN mandate in December as justification to pull out.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:55 pmSir, you need to read more and think more for yourself.
Terry, I should read more. And I am trying to think for myself. Here is the problem I’m having. Women have the right to vote in the west. They can walk around uncovered, if they choose. Although, we need to be more tolerant of gays here, at least we don’t kill them for their sexuality. Men don’t have to wear beards here, if they don’t want to. Everybody can vote. You can say whatever you want without fear that you will be procecuted for it. You can worship any god you want.
You seem to be advocating that we just ignore Islamic intolerance, and it will either go away or at least won’t affect us. The problem is you’re ignoring 9/11 and the jihadists declaration of war against us. I’m not christian, but I can recognize christian intolerance. I can also recognize Islamic intolerance. Any sober arbiter should be able to recognize the far greater threat to human liberty.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:56 pmRep Gary Ackerman – this is good. The uber AIPAC pushing from the extreme right crookery.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pmWell, Saddam successfully did this when he was in power. Usama bin Laden and al Quida couldn’t operate in Iraq because Saddam hated them both.
You’re saying that Saddam was able to accomplish something that the US and our allies can’t!?!?! Why do you hate America?!?!?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 10, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
We could, but we refuse to utilize Saddam’s tactics. For that matter, we refuse to utilize our own tactics from WW II. And yet the far left claims our soldiers have killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and are Nazis…..who really hates America?
September 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAckerman “we’re in the middle of a dysfunctional violent family” How apt. But he’s only reving up for his call for an uber violent family that is no longer dysfunction.
Next he’s going to call for nukes over IRan. The uber violent family that finally finds functionality.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:58 pmListen carefully everyone. Ackerman is a Democrat from New York calling for even more violence in Iraq/Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 3:59 pmHere’s one link for the nukes in the U.S.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
September 10th, 2007 at 4:00 pmNow they’re getting into the nitty gritty of bombing mosques. This is great.
One beast of war proving his form of violence more effective than the other’s beast of war.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmDaryll,
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pmIs suicide a sin?
Daryll
No because you either believe or are in on the crooked deal to sell our military sons and daughters to the Saudis to fight their fight to control the middle east. You are by hook or by crook, a jihadist.
THATâ€S WHY
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
You just made a completely asinine comment. Let me guess, you also believe that 9/11 was an inside job?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmAckerman: Question is how do we leave
Patreus: We stabilize. (Which is code for we wait until Bush is ready to bomb Iran)
Ackerman wants him to bomb now.
Patreus wants to wait for Bush’s moment.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThey cut Ackerman off. First dialogue that even gets close to the real underlying dialogue.
The Republican in pin-stripes, John McHugh, the cultured criminal, steps in to rescue the discussion back into the realms of sand and spit.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pmDaryll
You can’t handle the truth
September 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmComment by Keltoi — September 10, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Well if you cold read my mind, like Upright Lefty the amaxing Kookskin, you would know wouldnt you?
Hint, its not what you typed. When will you Repulitrolls ever stop that idiotic guessing game?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:04 pmHow does keeping our troops (and National Guard) in Iraq keep these domestic terrorists from using the nuclear weapons you claim they already have in America?
Comment by Chris L — September 10, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
It diverts attention and resources from attacks on the U.S. Few would deny the presence of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Few would also deny their interest in foiling U.S. progress in Iraq. Withdraw from the middle east and you free jihadist resources and attention to direct terror attacks on western soil.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmMcHugh and Patreus now trying to sound like intelligent rational beings, instead of the craven criminals that they are.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWe could, but we refuse to utilize Saddam’s tactics. For that matter, we refuse to utilize our own tactics from WW II. And yet the far left claims our soldiers have killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and are Nazis…..who really hates America?
Comment by Keltoi — September 10, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Intellectually dishonest at best. If by tactics in WWII you are referring to bombing of industrial targets in Japan and Germany. Al-Qaeda doesn’t have factories and population bases. Their is almost no point in bombing mecca or any other shrine or place in the Middle east.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmDaryll,
Is suicide a sin?
Comment by DRxJ — September 10, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Yes, suicide is a sin. Thou Shalt not Kill!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWithdraw from the middle east and you free jihadist resources and attention to direct terror attacks on western soil
Withdraw from Iraq and the Saudi jihadists will take revenge on Bush for not paying back what he owes them.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWe could, but we refuse to utilize Saddam’s tactics.
Comment by troll
You are incorrect. We tortue people (not convicts – just unlucky people), we spy on our own citizens, our leaders lie to us on a daily basis, dissent is shouted down with accusations of treason, bush wants the power saddam had, our media is a cowering bunch of stenographers, etc…We have become what saddam was. Can’t you see this?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmCrocker equates Iraq with an abused child. interesting
September 10th, 2007 at 4:08 pmRep Manzullo, Repug Ill, can’t even ask a question without reading it faltingly. He was probably just handed his question by Bush ops
September 10th, 2007 at 4:10 pmMaybe Patreus is writing out questions and having them handed to Repugs for the asking.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:11 pmWithdraw from the middle east and you free jihadist resources and attention to direct terror attacks on western soil.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007
Newsflash they did that before the Iraq Freedom Operation.
We need to redeploy from Iraq, to Kuwait and Afghanistan [Thats where Osama had terror camps], and let them defeat what AQI there is, which is not actually a very big number.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:12 pmPatreus is just biding time until the military base is built on IRan border as staging area for invasion of Iran
September 10th, 2007 at 4:13 pmDaryll
You can’t handle the truth
Comment by Dermot — September 10, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
My belief is based on truth. Why can’t you admit that there is progress in Iraq. Just like you libs to look at the negative instead of the positive. Can any lib on this blog say one positive thing about Iraq? Do you respect the work of our troops. Jake D has revealed how your party dwells on negativity, pertaining to conservative issues. Prove him and me wrong.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmManzullo – is our effort in Iraq hindering world-wide war on terrorism
Patreus: rephrases his question to something that is not a question –
Manzullo is a good boy.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pmDaryll – your belief is based on nonsense fed to you by Bush/Bin Laden cultists.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pmYes, suicide is a sin. Thou Shalt not Kill!
Comment by Daryll Parodyll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
…and there you have it, folks! Daryll has just offered that those brave men and women who foiled the hijacked Flight 93’s plan, were sinners.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThose tormented souls, atop the WTC, who painfully committed suicide by jumping, rather than burning, were sinners.
Geez Daryll, are they also in Hell?
Does your cult protest fallen hero’s funerals?
Daryll, you’re a farce…
and on the eve the anniversary of our country’s darkest day, I just called you out on your b.s.
Have a nice friggin’ day!
Daryll – Bush has made progress in Iraq.
He’s on target for his five year plan to invade Iran for Saudi Arabia.
He’s succeeded in selling out our troops to the jihadists as a proxy army in the Saudi Wahabi pursuit of power over the middle east.
ANd Bush/Bin Laden has succeeded in paying off the Congress and people like you to believe his lies and bs. He’s successfully sucked you into selling out your own country.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pmYes, suicide is a sin. Thou Shalt not Kill!
Comment by Daryll Parodyll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
…and there you have it, folks! Daryll has just offered that those brave men and women who foiled the hijacked Flight 93’s plan, were sinners.
Those tormented souls, atop the WTC, who painfully committed suicide by jumping, rather than burning, were sinners.
Geez Daryll, are they also in Hell?
Does your cult protest fallen hero’s funerals?
Daryll, you’re a farce…
and on the eve the anniversary of our country’s darkest day, I just called you out on your b.s.
Have a nice friggin’ day!
Comment by DRxJ — September 10, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
There is a difference. None of these individuals had suicidal thoughts. They were trying to save others. The 9/11 victims were going to die, anyway. They had no choice.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:20 pmYou seem to be advocating that we just ignore Islamic intolerance, and it will either go away or at least won’t affect us. The problem is you’re ignoring 9/11 and the jihadists declaration of war against us.
Er, I never said ‘ignore Islamic intolerance’ – please put your straw man down, it might get hurt.
‘Ignoring 9/11′ actually I’m not. I’m asking you to think beyond the purile ‘fate us for our liberties’, ‘with us or against us’ philosophy or the leadership of this country you live in. I’m not ignoring 9/11 – you are. Because you are not asking yourself why it happened. Sun Tzu said ‘first know your enemy’. Well ‘they hate us for our liberties’ has been the extent of the debate in this country since 9/11. And based on that flawed and morally imbecilic analysis, the US has blundered around ever since, simply making everything worse.
Why don’t you try reading the jihadists declaration of war and read it and understand it – because it sure as h*** does not say they have us for our ‘liberties’. It was primarily this:
1. Presence of soldiers in Saudi Arabia and other muslim lands
2. Continued support for Israel and lack of even-handedness in Palestine
3. Continued oppression of Iraqis due to Gulf War Sanctions
Now you can debate the truthfulness of these until the cows come home, but the fact is that these three ‘causus belli’ provide a lot of support, money and willing foot soldiers to Bin Laden’s Jihad. What you need to do is ask yourself ‘why?’ and ‘what can we do to remove AQ’s support?’. And let me tell you, the average US citizen has no idea, thanks to the level of informed debate in this country.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pm“Can any lib on this blog say one positive thing about Iraq?”
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
We would be joining the “Chorus of GOPr lies” if we could.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pmDaryll – in the words of Patreus, let me rephrase your question to make it better – “Can you or any of the reich wingers on here handle the truth”.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:22 pmWe could, but we refuse to utilize Saddam’s tactics.
Comment by troll
Saddam ruled a country rife with tribal militias. How do you control them? You either make deals or fight them. Patraeus chart, I think, called it partnering.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:23 pmPatreus recommending prudent reductions in forces levels. No one asks him what that means. Let me hazard a guess. It’s either bs, or it has to do with the next phase of the war which will involve air power over Iran.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:25 pmIs there no member of this Armed Services committe who really cares about the troops. They are all just mouthpieces for the armaments manufacturers and apologists for the Bush/Biin Laden jihadists
September 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pm“Can any lib on this blog say one positive thing about Iraq?â€
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
I’d like to see your, and Jakes list of positives, first.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:27 pm“Can any lib on this blog say one positive thing about Iraq?â€
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
We would be joining the “Chorus of GOPr lies†if we could.
Comment by James Saville Row — September 10, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
You have proven how your party has turned this war into a political partisan issue. Thank You. Sir, you and your party are sick for exploiting the troops to gain more seats in the House and Senate and to win the Presidential Race in 08′. You and your party are disgusting. You have shown your true colors, traitor. Do not ever talk about the truth. I hope your party loses as many seats as possible in 08′. Jesus is not pleased.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:27 pmAnd actually that is what we see today, Bush and Patraeus both have admitted to ‘partnering’ with Iraqi Sunni and Shiite militias to fight AQI.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmSir, you and your party are sick for exploiting the troops to gain more seats in the House and Senate and to win the Presidential Race in 08‘
You and your boyfriend Bush are the sickos. Selling out our troops to the Saudis for power and greed, then wrapping yourself in the flag. There oughta be a law.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmHere’s one link for the nukes in the U.S.
http://www.wnd.com/ news/ article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
World Net Daily? Er, can we have a reputable news organization please? I’ll even take Fox News with a second source. Come off it, paul.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThe 9/11 victims were going to die, anyway. They had no choice.
Comment by Parodyll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
They perhaps did not know that. They had no idea the building would collapse. Had the buildings not, they may have been rescured. They chose death.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:29 pmSee Daryll, you’ve entered a gray area that has compromised your always black and white beliefs.
And just for the record, the Bible never states whether suicide is a sin. If you interpret Thou Shall Not Kill at His Word, then the occupation of Iraq is sinful.
Only God decides if suicide is a sin
NOT YOU!!!
or your friggin cult!!!
Fighting in cyberspace has to do with the war games they’ve been conducting for invading Iran
September 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmYou are incorrect. We tortue people (not convicts – just unlucky people), we spy on our own citizens, our leaders lie to us on a daily basis, dissent is shouted down with accusations of treason, bush wants the power saddam had, our media is a cowering bunch of stenographers, etc…We have become what saddam was. Can’t you see this?
Comment by Tom — September 10, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
No, I am sorry, I really can’t. Taking a blowtorch to a guys face, cutting out his tongue, feeding him to a plastic shredder – that is torture. We don’t do that. If we had become anything like Saddam was the Think Progress site would not exist and the vast majority of those who post to it would be dead in very nasty ways along with their extended familes. That is the reality.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:30 pmComment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
I had dinner with YeheshVa yesterday…how about you?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmJesus is not pleased.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
You must mean some hispanic fellow you know. You can possibly be suggesting that you and the Christain Jesus speak. There is no way I am buying that crap. Beside most Christain clergy I know are all opposed to this whole thing.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:31 pmYou have proven how your party has turned this war into a political partisan issue. -Daryll
Please, save your holier than though spiel, The FOX, CNN, RWN pundits did that with the OSAMA video days ago and used an Osama video in 2004 for partisan purposes.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmPatreus is a military failure, which makes him a favored Bush general. Because the real goal all along, was to bide time until we were positioned with the Sunnis to invade Iran.
“In 2003/4 it was Petraeus who was in charge of securing Mosul, the third largest Iraqi city, from the insurgents, and his strategy of conciliating the Sunni and former Baath party members was lauded by the US media. But nine months after he left, the insurgents captured Mosul; the police appointed by Petraeus fled or changed sides, and $41m worth of weapons were lost.
In the same year Petraeus was given the crucial job of overseeing the training and expansion of Iraq’s new army, and again he produced glowing reports of progress. But three years later the army he was charged with turning into an effective fighting force is notoriously incapable and corrupt. In addition, Petraeus failed to observe that almost the entire Iraqi procurement budget of $1.2bn was being embezzled, and Iraqi soldiers were forced to rely on obsolete and inadequate weaponry.
It is the discrepancy between General Petraeus’s performance as a general in Iraq (he had seen no combat before 2003) and his rapid elevation to overall US commander that has led his critics to portray him as a courtier-soldier whose victories are won in TV interviews or in Washington.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick09102007.html
September 10th, 2007 at 4:33 pmYou have proven how your party has turned this war into a political partisan issue.
Methinks thou dost projecteth too much, St Darryl.
Tom Delay: “Democrats close to treason” http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/multimedia/s_504197.html
Free Republic: “Harry Reid: treasonous” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1820379/posts
Dick Cheney: “If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we’ll get hit again” http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/07/cheney.terror/
Tony Snow: “A vote for (Ned) Lamont is a vote for another 9/11″
Up yours St Darryl.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pmJesus is not pleased. Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007
Daryll, do the Iraqis believe in Jesus?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:36 pmJesus is not pleased.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Here’s a clue skippy, that voice in your head – it’s not Jesus. Seek help before you go postal.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmIn his first interview as the chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, Dennis Milligan told a reporter that America needs to be attacked by terrorists so that people will appreciate the work that President Bush has done to protect the country.
“At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001],” (R) Milligan said
What an America hater, huh Daryll?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
BRAVO!!!
Maybe now Uncle Dariah of the cross will go away and laeve us alone!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmCool! Abercrombie of HawaII!
September 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by James Saville Row — September 10, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
I aim to please, thanks for your support. I can’t stand the American Taliban. You might have missed the part where St Darryl accused DrXJ of being an adulterer because his wife was still ‘owned’ by her first husband. Or perhaps how the Ten Commandments deals with rape: “There are two commandments that cover this issue. Thou shalt not fornicate, and thou shalt not covet thy neighbors things.â€
Yes, St Darryl thinks men own their wives: “God holds me responsible for the decisions within our family.”
A real Crusader, is our St Darryl. And if by ‘Crusader’ we mean “a heavily armed religious maniac who shows up unannounced, kills your family, burns your house down and justifies it with a page from book he’s waving”, then that’s St Darryl. He has so much more in common with the jihadis than he even dreams of.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWhy did the DEMOCRATIC Chairman cut off the N.J. Rep. Paine (sp?) when he was doing such a great job?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmYou have proven how your party has turned this war into a political partisan issue.
Methinks thou dost projecteth too much, St Darryl.
Tom Delay: “Democrats close to treason†http://www.pittsburghlive.com/ x/ pittsburghtrib/ news/ multimedia/ s_504197.html
Free Republic: “Harry Reid: treasonous†http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1820379/posts
Dick Cheney: “If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we’ll get hit again†http://www.cnn.com/ 2004/ ALLPOLITICS/ 09/ 07/ cheney.terror/
Tony Snow: “A vote for (Ned) Lamont is a vote for another 9/11″
Up yours St Darryl.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
No, save yourself. You libs are doing the same thing.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pmJesus is not pleased. Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007
Daryll, do the Iraqis believe in Jesus?
Comment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Yes, Allah (Same person)
September 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Quite insightful.
If after committing his heinous acts, he doesn’t sit down and consume his kill, then the same should happen to him, but in his case, his remains will be hence refused by beast of the land, the beast of the air, the beasts of water and what else have you.
This Dariah guy needs to simply go away if he cannot seem to participate without using the old veiled-threat of psychological fear.
September 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmJesus is not pleased.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Here’s a clue skippy, that voice in your head – it’s not Jesus. Seek help before you go postal.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 10, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Remove Satan from your life and release your liberal ways.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pmRemove Satan from your life and release your liberal ways.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Please don’t start that innane Jesus was a conservative nonsense again
September 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmHow about Time magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041122-782068,00.html
September 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmYes, Allah (Same person)
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
oops, for this statement to be accurate, then muslims would also have to believe that Jesus is God – which they don’t. Your pants are on fire, St Darryl, ‘bearing false witness’ and all that – that would be Commandment #9 (except in the Roman Catholic list #8 – Jesus Christ, why can’t God make his mind up – isn’t he infallible?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments
Remove Satan from your life and release your liberal ways.
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Come on then St Darryl, exorcise the devils out of me, come on, you can do it. I’ll even jump off a cliff at the end. Take your sky-fairy bull and stuff it.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pmTerrytheTurtle. I’ll concede that you believe that progressives are not ignoring Islamic intolerance or jihadists threats.
Let me ask you this though: Besides bemoaning the Bush administrations attempts at combating what it believes to be a threat, what have democrats offered in terms of spear heading an initiative against terrorism?
Let’s keep it simple, just one example of an initiative that democrats have proposed to combat terrorism.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmYes, Allah (Same person)
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
I’m sort of confused with this whole “person thing” but anyway this is one weird “person” what with spending endless time getting people to hate and kill each other over different interpretations of the same ‘person”. I quess than I should be happy that we are talking about a person rather than a made up God/s
September 10th, 2007 at 5:15 pmComment by dbadass — September 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
No need to respond…I am moonlighting from the hearing, but that’s some really cool stuff you just said!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pmwhat have democrats offered in terms of spear heading an initiative against terrorism?
Let’s keep it simple, just one example of an initiative that democrats have proposed to combat terrorism.
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Simple – Port Security – Democrats have tried for years to have 100% of cargo inspected into the US…. guess who opposed? http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_04/008702.php
September 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmwhat have democrats offered in terms of spear heading an initiative against terrorism? -Paul
Much of what Bush did after 9/11, Paul, was spearheaded by Clinton, but was mocked, and gutted by the Republican Congress.
easures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden’s network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton’s 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:
* Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
September 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pm* Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
* Passenger Profiling: $10 million
* Screener Training: $5.3 million
* Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
* Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million
* Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million
* Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million
* Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million
* Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million
* Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million
* Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million
* Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million
* Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million
* Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million
* Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million
* Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million
* Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million
* Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million
* Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million
* Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million
* Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million
His 1996 omnibus terror bill, parts of above,, which included many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted after September 11, was withered almost to the point of uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the threats Clinton spoke of.
Many of the anti-terror measures today, were of democratic design.
Whapishhhhh!
September 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmRemove Satan from your life and release your liberal ways.
Comment by Daryll —
Daryll, Liberal means freedom as in liberty, I think your speaking of LIBERTINE. BTW when you say Satan what do you mean Lucifer?
September 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Jeez, Iggy, paul just asked for one….. did you have to give him both barrels? Poor paul.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmJeez, Iggy, paul just asked for one….. did you have to give him both barrels? Poor paul.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Well, I was, TTT, getting tired of all the disinformation they spread, it as if terror never existed before Bush and 9/11 and they invented the wheel that cured it, so yes, KABLOOMIII!!
Sorry Paul, but the Reoublican memory seems very short, oft times it would seem intentional.
September 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWell, Bin Laden ahs already proven to be much smarter about how America operates than anyone in the Bush administration, so perhaps he’s 100% right!
Comment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Good to see you admit that you and osama have the same vision for America. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 6:00 pmHey Daryll are you aware of the Treaty of Trpoli of Barbari?
September 10th, 2007 at 6:03 pmhttp://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
Plus some thoughts of the founding fathers.
Good to see you admit that you and osama have the same vision for America. ;)
Comment by upright left
No dipstick, that means that Bush and crew have pretty much been suckered into what Osama wanted. It doesn’t take a genius to see that PNAC and others wanted a regime change in Iraq since well before 9/11, Osama probably figured, and rightly so, that the PNACers would jump at the chance for regime change. And they did.
And thats why if they would have stayed in Afghanistan and rooted out the problem IE OSAMA, instead of jumping finto Iraq for regime change and oil, we wouldn’t likely have this mess today.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:10 pmThere is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet. Death to infidels!
September 10th, 2007 at 6:49 pmHas anybody seen my sweet Zooey? Is she too busy with college to be here anymore?
September 10th, 2007 at 6:52 pm#337, DRxJ,
I agree that anyone calling Sen. Obama is childish and offensive. However, I am unaware of any conservative organization closely affiliated with the Republican Party leadership taking a paid advertisement out in The New York Times and using that insult. If that happens, I will be the first to join with you in condemning such venom….Alas, MoveOn.org, a far-left group that works closely with the Democratic Party did indeed take an ad out today implying that Gen. Petraeus is a traitor. Shameful. And the Pelosis and Reids are the world should condemn it….We’ll see if they do.
On another important topic, I really need to have your Tigers step up and deprive the Yankees of a playoff spot! That would be sweet!
September 10th, 2007 at 6:59 pmMeetIggy. Is that 1 billion to fight terrorism? Pretty much falls in line with Clinton letting bin Laden escape three times. I wouldn’t be bragging about that.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:03 pmexlax; Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus Betraeus
September 10th, 2007 at 7:05 pmDaryll, do the Iraqis believe in Jesus?
Comment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Yes, Allah (Same person)
Comment by Daryll — September 10, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Muslims believe that Jesus was the third prophet of god. Mohammad being the first prophet, and I am unsure who the second prophet would have been. To equate Jesus as being Allah is incorrect.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pmOn another important topic, I really need to have your Tigers step up and deprive the Yankees of a playoff spot! That would be sweet!
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Especially since my Mariners dropped the ball big time on that one. :(
September 10th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by Krazny — September 10, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Issah – Arabic for Jesus
Yeshua – Hebrew for Jesus
YHShVH – Hebrew spelling for “Hebrew ‘Jesus’”
YShShH – Hebrew spelling for “Arabic ‘Jesus’”
I have been ever confounded as to what the age-old conflict has been about.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:33 pmYeah, Krazny…Your boys in Seattle really didn’t get it done for you OR me!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:35 pmThere is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet. Death to infidels!
Comment by Yusef — September 10, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Yeah but you’ll still always be Cat Stevens to us
September 10th, 2007 at 8:20 pmMuslims believe that Jesus was the third prophet of god. Mohammad being the first prophet, and I am unsure who the second prophet would have been. To equate Jesus as being Allah is incorrect.
Comment by Krazny — September 10, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
The second prophet would be me!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:20 pmNow pass me the Oxycontin.
Comment by Uncle Ho — September 10, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Uncle Ho – here
September 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmUncle Ho: again
September 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pmTO: Chairman and Members of the Petraeus Hearing
The disgraceful comments by Tom Lantos at the beginning of the hearing, only prove that he and most democrats have no intension of listening to what the General and the Ambassador have to say!
They’ve already made up their minds before hearing what these two honorable gentlemen have to say. Shame on you all – you should hang your heads with shame!
Please, when are you going to put your political ambitioins aside, and do what normal human beings do: listen, learn and make decisions from information provided you from people who are on the ground in Iraq – and not sitting on their duffs in Washington -
trying to figure out how you are going to get re-elected!!
By the way, letting ‘moveon.org’ run the way you think and speak
is laughable. Stop bowing down to them and letting them jerk you around and letting the New York Times publish their hate – and you not realizing it ultimately comes back on you all.
Stop worrying about getting re-elected in ‘08 – do your jobs, stop the hate and maybe we will re-elect you.
Pamela Sprossel
September 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWingdale NY
Uncle Ho : my HTML kung fu no worky. The menagerie is here http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/
September 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pmNo patriot would have anything to do with an al Qaeda supporter
Comment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Then you’ll be shunned by any patriot who read the transcript of osama’s video. Libs are falling all over themselves lately trying to be the most insistent in calling righties al quaida supporters. Having proof that osama agrees with you about what American policy should be really through ya for a loop, eh, bud? You must really be hoping that video turns out to be a fake so you can calm down a little. ;)
September 11th, 2007 at 1:01 amAmazine how Liberals pretend to know more than the general that is leading the troops in Iraq. That is like saying that the anti-war Americans during WWII knew more than Eisenhower during the D-Day invasion. Sounds crazy right? so does the left insisting that they know more than our generals in Iraq.
Comment by JT — September 10, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Funny how that works with Bush himself, eh? He, Bremer, and Powell have all said that we’d leave Iraq if the Iraqis asked us to.
Did they say anything about the generals on the ground making that decision? No.
Did they say anything about Iraq falling into the hands of the terrorists? No.
Did they say the Iraqis would be defeatists and supporters of the enemy? No.
Did they say the Middle East would descend into chaos? No.
But Bush sure as hell screams all that shit when the Democrats or war protesters ask to bring the troops home.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:53 amAmerica is going down the tubes, and we are all watching
September 11th, 2007 at 10:40 am