Poll: Nearly 70 Percent Of Iraqis Say Escalation ‘Has Worsened’ Their Lives
Poll: Nearly 70 Percent Of Iraqis Say Escalation ‘Has Worsened’ Their Lives
In June, outgoing Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace argued that U.S. success in Iraq “is not about levels of violence” but that “it’s about progress … in the minds of the Iraqi people“:
What’s most important is do the Iraqi people feel better about today than they did about yesterday, and do they think tomorrow’s going to be better than today? If the answer to those two questions is yes, then we’re on the right path.
By Pace’s own metric, the U.S. is on the wrong path. An ABC/BBC/NHK poll released today shows that since the escalation began, Iraqi opinion has starkly turned against the U.S. occupation, as most Iraqis see “deepening dissatisfaction with conditions in Iraq, lower ratings for the national government and growing rejection of the U.S. role there”:
On the escalation:
65 to 70 percent of Iraqis say the escalation has “worsened rather than improved security.”
78 percent say “things are going badly for the country overall,” up 13 points since winter.
Overall conditions:
39 percent say “their lives are going well,” down from 71 percent in Nov. 2005.
23 percent say things will be better in a year, one-third of the Nov. 2005 level.
23 percent report “effective reconstruction efforts in their local area,” down 10 points since March.
On the U.S. presence:
79 percent oppose the presence of coalition forces, unchanged since winter.
63 percent say it was wrong for the U.S. to have invaded Iraq, up from 52 percent in March and 39 percent in Feb. 2004.
47 percent now favor “immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces,” a 12-point rise since March.
Last week, Bush proclaimed that “normal life is returning” in Anbar, but 74 percent of Anbar residents believe their children’s lives will be worse than theirs. In June, Petraeus said life in Baghdad was showing “astonishing signs of normalcy,” but zero percent of Baghdad residents report feeling “very safe” at home. Overwhelming majorities of those surveyed give negative ratings to electricity, jobs, and access to health care.
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Why do Iraqis hate Iraq?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:35 amWhy do the Iraqis hate their freedom?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:41 amHere’s another poll done by BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6983027.stm
Nothing looks like progress in the poll but the most striking to me is that 93% of Sunnis think it is acceptable to attack US forces.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:43 amCongress dont listen to polls so whats the point
September 10th, 2007 at 10:44 amWell, I guess not all appreciate getting their countries invaded.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:45 amDesperation days for Osama’s boys.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:46 amHey, dlet…follow the link.
You are more than welcome.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:46 amThis surge may kill you, but your corpse will be sparkling fresh!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:46 amCongress needs to throw the switch and cut off the money. There’s enough in the pipeline to safely evacuate American troops from Iraq. If Congress doesn’t do that, American troops will be in Iraq and dying for years to come, because you can bet your cowboy boots that’s exactly the plan.
And by the way, don’t be fooled by this business of Bush claiming to do what the generals want. That’s a deliberate deception. It is the generals who do – and say – what they think their commander in chief wants them to do and say. Their careers are at his mercy, and they know it.
As a rule of thumb, don’t believe anybody above the rank of lieutenant colonel. That’s the rank most warriors are forced to retire at. Most of the rest are politicians in uniform.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:47 amDuh, more troops, more violence, of course their lives will be worse. Perhaps things must get worse before they get better?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:48 amIf Petraeus thinks that zero percent feeling “very safe” in their own home is an “astonishing sign of normalcy”, he’s either been brainwashed into the Bush line of bushwa or he’s been smoking something. Or maybe his version of “normal” is a bit skewed.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:49 amGo Team Terror (â„¢)!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:49 amComment by Juan C — September 10, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Yeah but the BBC page has sharper colors……;)
September 10th, 2007 at 10:51 amLet’s see — a majority of Americans want us out of Iraq. 47% want us out immediately. A majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq. So who wants us to stay? Bush and his cronies, Halliburton and other recipients of fat no-bid contracts, and conservative “my guy can do no wrong” Bush supporters (diminishing).
What clearer signal do the Democrats need to cut off the funding?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:54 amOverwhelming majorities of those surveyed give negative ratings to electricity, jobs, and access to health care.
In fact, thats benefic for US (or any other superpower, like England before). This atmosphere produces more unemployed people and more desperation, which turns to violent means to get what they want. One of these means is, of course, terrorism in any of its forms.
A perpetual state of violence is always good for the invading army, because people will be afraid to organize themselves in order to throw them out. Come on, it is in the manual…
September 10th, 2007 at 10:55 amWho cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:58 amYeah but the BBC page has sharper colors……;)
Comment by dlet
Hahahaha.
BTW, it is just response against TP doing nothing to control their trolls.
No business, no agenda and at last, some control with trolls. Drop a line, sometime. ;)
September 10th, 2007 at 10:58 amWho cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 10:58 am
They’re thnking us very efficiently right now, with RPGs and IEDs. They’re thanking us in exactly the same way we thanked the British in 1776, Lady Lobotomy.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:00 amVolunteers carry out one of Iraq’s most somber chores: Burying the charred remains of men, women and children. The sheik who leads them says he doesn’t need the military to tell him what’s going on. “The streets are flowing with blood,”
Why are the Iraqis so ungrateful?
-GSD
September 10th, 2007 at 11:03 amHopefully, this has some effect on the Iraqi government in December when the UN mandate runs out.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:04 amComment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 10:58 am
And history is chock full of great examples when an outside force decides for another country what they should be like.
Your comment of “who cares what Iraqis think” is what’s wrong with your whole premise. To have a successful democracy you need to have participation. If you don’t know what the Iraqis are thinking and the experiment isn’t working (creating a functioning democratic govt) then you had better start finding out what the Iraqis are thinking to attempt and correct what the problems are.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:05 amWho cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007
My, how patrician.
When you hear Bush war supporters claiming to be concerned about the well being of Iraqis, they ARE lying.
They are the same people that wanted to nuke Iraq.
They are the same people that laughed at Abu Ghraib as ‘frat pranks’. They are the same people that think concerns about civilian casualties embolden the enemy.
They are lying.
-GSD
September 10th, 2007 at 11:06 amI read several blogs written by Iraqis, when they can get the electricity to actually run their laptops. Their lives are just miserable, and depression is evident. So much of their time spent searching for gasoline to run their neighborhood generators, no running water in the midst of summer heat.
Then I read this kind of thing and wonder how anyone doubts that resentment and a wish for us to leave is reality for Iraqis. Not only is the continued violence too much to bear, but they see their occupiers living like this while they suffer.
WASHINGTON, Aug. 25 — On a Sunday morning in early August, just hours after Congress had recessed for the summer, Representative Jan
Schakowsky and five of her colleagues boarded a military jet at Andrews Air Force Base. Three flights and a Black Hawk helicopter ride later, they were lunching on asparagus soup and lobster tortellini at the home of Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker in Baghdad.
How nice.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:07 amGood, GSD. Very good.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:09 amWho cares what Iraqis think? Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 10:58 am
There, fixed your post for you.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:12 amWho cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007
You are the very definition of the authoritarian personality. Congrats.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:14 amHagel just made it official; he’s retiring. Perhaps the only decent, honorable and competent Republic senator left.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:16 amHere comes another Democratic pick up, even in “Big Red” country.
Who cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 10:58 am
If we’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages, maybe we should start by giving them electricity instead of democracy.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:19 amProgressive Allies.
The racists on the Right are organizing an anti_Islamic rally!
Here’s what I wrote on my blog:
This event will be occuring at campuses all over America October 22-24 and I am preparing a flyer to be handed out in response. If you would like to have the flyer for your campus, or invite me to your campus to help and refute the local organizers, please contact me by email (which can be found above)and not by comment. We need a respond to this with flyers, MSA counter-events, speakers, etc. as this could be an American krystalnacht for Muslims.
Local Muslims must also be ready to defend masjids, Islamic Centers, MSA’s, Muslim shops, and members of the community physically if need be as these people will probably attack some Muslim women. Let us not be led like lambs to the slaughter. If they are going to come on this week let us be ready insha’Allah. Pass the word on and prepare now.
Please assist us!
September 10th, 2007 at 11:20 am‘Who cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.”
Just like the Vietnamese did?
Let us know when Elvis gets here genius.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:23 amAs a Muslim I view Progressives as my allies.
We stand against the Racist Imperialist Fascists.
We must continue Islamic-Leftist unity!
Please rally counter demonstrations against this event!
Us Muslims can’t do it alone!
We need Progressive assistance!
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/ islamo-fascism/ 49/ a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/
September 10th, 2007 at 11:23 amYou are the very definition of the authoritarian personality. Congrats.
Comment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 11:14 am
more simply, and accurately, the definition of an I D I O T …
September 10th, 2007 at 11:25 am“pull them out of the dark ages” indeed… pure stoopidity…
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The dangerous thing about Lady Liberty (sic!) besides the obvious display of stupidity, is that in ALL HISTORY, every single one military force invading some piece of land, thinks they hold some moral, etchical, religious, economic and physical superiority over the people being invaded.
Nazis were invading Poland so that poor Polish people could learn Goethe´s language. Nazis were invading Eurasia (and cleansing russians) because they want to spread the virtue of Christianism and exterminate the Asian influence in Europe. They were spreading good German values in East Europe against the evil of Judaism.
France, Belgium, Netherlands, England and some other European countries invaded Africa, so those poor black clothless, barbarians and subhumans could learn the virtue of European way of life (Lets not mention sanitary services in Paris back in 1800…you know).
Now, for example, do you remember those South Koreans kidnapped by the Taliban? Do somebody knows what those South Koreans were doing in Afghanistan? Yes… spreading the good virtue of Christian protestantism. They are condemned by South Korean public opinion.
It is always we are good and you are bad. It is in the manual.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:29 amWhat is interesting is that the same people who sold us the war in Iraq as a cakewalk,and we will be’ treated as liberators’ now are telling us that if we leave Iraq now(after almost 5 years in Iraq) there will be a bloodbath in Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amThe same people who told us they were training hundreds of thousands of Iraqis the first two years..now telling us the Iraqi army and police is incapable of handling the situation…
The same people who said Iraq is not another Viet Nam are using Viet Nam as an example if we leave Iraq.
The same people who said the cost of this operation will not be over 30 billion dollars, now asking for hundreds of billions of dollars more.
The same people who got to act to stop Saddam from firing his gas loaded rockets now telling us there no WMDS were found..but that’s not why we are in Iraq..we are there to bring democracy…!!!
Shorter Petraeus Report:
George Bush - “We’re kicking a*s”.
Iraqis - Please stop.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:33 amWho cares what Iraqis think? We’re trying to pull them out of the dark ages and introduce them to democracy. They’ll eventually see we’re doing this for their own good, and they’ll thank us.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 10:58 am
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Your post is an example of sheer jaw-dropping ignorance. Instead of people, you see Iraqis as some sort of subhuman species that cannot survive without our help and intervention. It’s doubtful that anything would convince you otherwise, but I’ll make the attempt to paint the situation in terms you might understand.
Suppose another culture in the world (let’s take Islam, since so many Americans seem to be afraid of it at the moment) decided that “for our own good”, they would invade our country and occupy it in order to pull us “out of the dark ages”. They would replace our old worn democracy with all its problems by introducing us to a Muslim theocracy and Sharia law. Even though we would resist such a change, they would persist, since we really don’t know what’s good for us, and they do. After all, they think of themselves as superior and enlightened, and think of us as ignorant and misguided.
How would you, as an American, feel about that kind of intervention from someone else? My guess is that your reaction wouldn’t exactly be how you currently expect the Iraqis to react to us.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:35 amOur government leaders are always right. Iraqis will be happy to join our culture of consumerism. All they need do, is sign the oil law. Fear not, big oil loves us, is generous and will take care of the environment.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:35 amComment by Dean CT — September 10, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Good luck with that. Let us know how it turns out. I live in one of the reddest of red states (Utah) and they can usually get 30-40 people to show up at those type events.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:38 amComment by Umar Lee — September 10, 2007 @ 11:23 am
I would only have one objection. You are mixing politics and religion. That is one wild brew .
Being a Muslim or a Christian should not have anything to do with politics or we find ourselves aeons ago when people like you and I had to fight the priesthood to allow the establishment of the doctrine of the separation of Church and State.
That being said however, I applaud your efforts.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:42 amChris L,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:42 amWhy do you Leftists support Islamo-Fascists?
Why not unite with your fellow Americans and protest Islamic Supremism?
James Saville Row,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:44 amY0u support Umar’s attaempt to silence Americans expressing thie opinions against Islamic influence?
Ilsam sucks!
September 10th, 2007 at 11:45 amMohamad was a pedophile!
Comment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:42 am
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I think you’ve got it backwards, sideways, and upside down. For one, the right has done more to support Islamofascism as you call it, than anyone in history. You’ll notice that the only Iraq war veteran in congress is a democrat.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:46 amDo any of you really think democrats in congress want to end the war before Nov 08? It just isn’t going to happen. The Iraq disaster ensures President Hillary, works as a reminder of every GOP/Bush failure and negates pretty much every talking point of GOP candidates. What their best plan of action is, is to continue passing anti-war bills that get vetoed, thus looking like the good guys who are trying to do something, while Bush and the GOP look like obstructionists to the will of the people.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:46 ammaybe not the best analogy, missmolly…
September 10th, 2007 at 11:47 amthe idjits already think the “islamofascistnazicommies” are
coming to get us and turn us all into “islamofascistnazicommies”…
that’s why “we have to fight ‘em there, not here”…
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Cris L,
It’s Leftists like you that give moral support to Islamsts like Umar.
Why do guys always take the side of Muslims against your fellow Americans?
detroitsuperfly.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:48 amYou also forget to mention that Hillary is backed by the Media!
Cris L,
It’s Leftists like you that give moral support to Islamsts like Umar.
Why do guys always take the side of Muslims against your fellow Americans?
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Right. Sure. Is that what I was doing during the 18 months I served with the US Army in Baghdad?
September 10th, 2007 at 11:49 amIslam is for losers!
September 10th, 2007 at 11:50 amDeath to the Islamic-Leftist allaince!
Comment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:44 am
You missed the total point of my post if this is the only thing you were able to glean from it. I was merely trumpeting the Constitutional doctrine of the freedom of Speech.
I do not support any ideologies that chooses the wanton destruction of innocent lives and property (no matter what religions advocate them) as a means for registering dissent.
Let this be the clarification you are looking for on your question.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:50 amChris L,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:51 amYour full of it you liar!
If that was the case you’d hate Muslims!
Your full of a crock like all other phoney Vets that post here!
You’re a fraude you Muslim lover!
detroitsuperfly.
You also forget to mention that Hillary is backed by the Media!
Comment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:48 am
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You must be new here. 90% of the posters here hate Hillary. The other 10% is the right-wing trolls who can’t get enough of her. But that makes sense.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:51 amYou do know that the “liberal media” is just a loony con conspiracy theory, right?
That the corporate media, with conservative CEOs, conservative board members and conservative share holders just are poor innocent victims of those mean old liberal reporters who run free with their multi-billion dollar investments.
Give it up. You appear mentally ill.
BTW- Your conservative ilk are the ones who were such bleeding hearts for radical islam after 9/11 that you liberated them from Saddam.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amWe are only the good guys IF we ACT like the good guys.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amJames Saville Row ,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amSo Americans who don’t want Islam in America have a right to protest then.
If the Islamists and their radical Leftist allies tried to silence anti-Muslims you’d be against that?
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Chris L,
Your full of it you liar!
If that was the case you’d hate Muslims!
Your full of a crock like all other phoney Vets that post here!
You’re a fraude you Muslim lover!
Comment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:51 am
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I’m not going to bother responding to this. I just want to hold t up for all to see. This is republican mentality. O Bigfoot, Michael, Frank J, Ringo, this is who you support.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:53 amDanCaveman,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:54 amIf the media is conservative why is the media Pro-Hillary and Pro-Muslim?
Chris L,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amYou’ve been exposed as a fraude.
I know some Iraq war vets.
They Hate Muslims!
Pro-Hillary and pro-Muslim? SPECIFIC examples please.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amComment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
You missed the total point of my post if this is the only thing you were able to glean from it. I was merely trumpeting the Constitutional doctrine of the freedom of Speech.
I do not support any ideologies that chooses the wanton destruction of innocent lives and property (no matter what religions advocate them) as a means for registering dissent.
Let this be the clarification you are looking for on your question.
Comment by James Saville Row — September 10, 2007 @ 11:50 am
September 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amWe need a surge to clean out the Christo-facists.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhat we need is an American Hitler!
September 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amBut Jews aren’t the ones who should be victims, Muslims should be.
Screw Gassing them, just bury them alive!
Death to Islam!
jb,
September 10th, 2007 at 11:57 amYou Hate Christians but support Islam!
Typical Leftist attitude!
Alright then, it appears that sociopathic, mentally ill trolls are in force here.
Perhaps former Yahoo mag board dick blowers who still dont have a life.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:58 amHey Chris,
I thought Muslim citizens were Americans too. Nice to see what we were ACTUALLY fighting for - maybe we should be supporting concentration camps for Muslims? Is that more “American” Mothra?
September 10th, 2007 at 11:58 am#
I’m not going to bother responding to this. I just want to hold t up for all to see. This is republican mentality. O Bigfoot, Michael, Frank J, Ringo, this is who you support.
Comment by Chris L — September 10, 2007 @ 11:53 am
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The GOP seems intent on destroying our troops and breaking our military.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:59 amdetroitsuperfly,
September 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pmGetting ready to e a Dhimmi.
How does it feel to live in the future Islamic State of Detriot!
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HEY! WHAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD???
HINT: IT IS NOT THE RACIST TROOLLS.
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BACK ON TOPIC, please…
September 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pm…
Bush is the one who is allowing 7000 Muslims to move here in Nov.
Conservatism is a cancer!
September 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pmDan,
September 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI’m against bthe Iraq war.
I’m for a pull out so the Muslims kill each other and the Middle East goes up in flames!
“Bush is the one who is allowing 7000 Muslims to move here in Nov.”
Bush ia an Islamic stooge.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:02 pmSince Bush has been President he’s allowed an increase in Immigration visas from Muslim countries.
Muslims now get 60% of the Visas to America!
Bush is a Saudi sooge!
“90% of the posters here hate Hillary”
Comment by Chris L — September 10, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Now wouldn’t that be a crass (pardon) generalization? Hate?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pmAlso keep in mind that YOU republicans are the ones who after 9/11 felt so sorry for radical Islam that you liberated them from Saddam, after decades of him killing and/or silencing them.
I see where the loyalty of American republicans lies.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:04 pmSounds like David Horowitz is planning an anti-Muslim Kristalnacht.
Way to go!
-GSD
September 10th, 2007 at 12:05 pm#
jb,
You Hate Christians but support Islam!
Typical Leftist attitude!
Comment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:57 am
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No….my point is, I hate a certain kind of bigotted christian who hates Muslims simply because they are a different religion because of the overt hypocrisy.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pmBush’s crusade is failure…poorly conceived, poorly planned and extended to the point of breaking our military and our treasury.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:09 pmSince less than 5% of muslims worldwide agree with the idea of Islamic supremecy and a world-wide caliphate, I would say that the conservatives around here are acting like hysterical little drama queens. Why don’t you guys grow a set, stop whining and crying about islamic radicals and let law enforcement do something about them before they strike again. Fighting insurgents in Iraq certainly isn’t going to help keep us safe here. As Bush’s Sec. of Homeland security says, they could hit us any time.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:11 pmNo….my point is, I hate a certain kind of bigotted christian who hates Muslims simply because they are a different religion because of the overt hypocrisy.
Comment by jb — September 10, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Thanks. Whew! I would also say vice-versa for all other religions.
Now if Mr. Mothra just fades into his own crap, maybe we can continue some sensible discourse.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:13 pm“65 to 70 percent of Iraqis say the escalation has “worsened rather than improved security.
47 percent now favor “immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces,†a 12-point rise since March.”
Hmmmm…which is it? 65, or 70 percent? Doesn’t sound like a very accurate poll…perhaps it was really 60 to 65 percent? 52 percent? 95 percent? Do we hear a 55, how about 60? 60 60, going once…going twice…
But 53 percent of Iraqis still don’t want U.S. forces to leave…even with the apparent worldwide disdain for U.S. actions.
The surge is working, stay the course! We must win in Iraq…
September 10th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWe must win in Iraq? How do we win in Iraq? You can’t win someone else’s civil war!
September 10th, 2007 at 12:17 pmHow can the Democrats present this information to get the US out of Iraq? Is there a chance they might hurt their cause more than help it? Read and discuss this at The Coin.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:20 pm“We must win in Iraq? How do we win in Iraq? You can’t win someone else’s civil war!
Comment by detroitsuperfly — September 10, 2007 @ 12:17 pm”
Sure you can.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:22 pmWhy do you Leftists support Islamo-Fascists?
Why not unite with your fellow Americans and protest Islamic Supremism?
Comment by Mothra — September 10, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Because “Islamo-Fascism” and “Islamic Supremism” do not exist. They’re moronic terms invented by Coulterite racists who want to justify the bashing of an entire religion by using hackneyed Cold War lingo.
We support equality and cooperation between people of all ethnicities and religions. We will never support the racist agenda of the hate criminals on the right.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThe only “win” is stealing the oil….which could also create even more resentment, if thats possible.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“We support equality and cooperation between people of all ethnicities and religions. We will never support the racist agenda of the hate criminals on the right.
Comment by toasterhead — September 10, 2007 @ 12:22 pm”
Osama Bin Laden has requested you to convert to Islam to avoid being murdered by people of his religion. When are you announcing your conversion?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:24 pmSure you can.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
But whose side do we take? There are the criminal Sunni tribal leaders we’ve paid off - it’d be a shame to blow that investment. But then there are the Shi’ite leaders we’ve empowered - we also want to woo them so they don’t side with Iran. And then our Kurdish friends in the north - they’re still our biggest fans, we can’t side against them either.
Decisions, decisions…
September 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWe support equality and cooperation between people of all ethnicities and religions. We will never support the racist agenda of the hate criminals on the right.
Comment by toasterhead — September 10, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
September 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmEXACTLY! and well said. Now, who do I vote for to implement such policies?
Osama Bin Laden has requested you to convert to Islam to avoid being murdered by people of his religion. When are you announcing your conversion?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
No he didn’t. Though he did recommend you convert to Islam because it forbids taxes. So I guess I should be asking you conservatives the same thing.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:27 pmGOP idea of winning in Iraq is killing everyone, stealing the oil and looting our treasury in the process. Freedom on the march.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:30 pm“We support equality and cooperation between people of all ethnicities and religions. We will never support the racist agenda of the hate criminals on the right.
Comment by toasterhead — September 10, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
EXACTLY! and well said. Now, who do I vote for to implement such policies?
Comment by jb — September 10, 2007 @ 12:26 pm”
According to Osama Bin Laden, your first step toward implementing such policies is your conversion to radical militant Islam.
When are you announcing your new found faith?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:30 pmI don’t take my marching orders from the likes of you and Osama.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“No he didn’t. Though he did recommend you convert to Islam because it forbids taxes. So I guess I should be asking you conservatives the same thing.
Comment by toasterhead — September 10, 2007 @ 12:27 pm”
One of the hallmarks of Liberalism: When faced with facts that refute your stand, deny those facts.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pmWith the long-awaited surge progress report from General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker due beginning today, Perrspectives has updated its Iraq Document Center. The repository includes the latest news, statistics, key reports and other essential materials surrounding the Iraq war and its run-up.
For the overview, see:
September 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pm“Required Reading for Petraeus, Crocker Testimony.”
bigfoot, It was you who was confronted with a fact you couldn’t refute. So now bigfoot is liberal.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:35 pmOne of the hallmarks of Liberalism: When faced with facts that refute your stand, deny those facts.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Where did Usama say that Westerners would be murdered by Muslims if we don’t convert to “Radical Islam?”
The transcript is right here:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/09/obl_transcript.php
Find me that quote, please.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:35 pmWhen faced with facts that refute your stand, deny those facts.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Li’l Foot… Dawg! Howza Neuticles workin’ out fer ya? Makin’ ya feel like a brand new dawg, er man, ah, boy, yet?
(Talk about denial…)
September 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“Where did Usama say that Westerners would be murdered by Muslims if we don’t convert to “Radical Islam?â€
The transcript is right here:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/09/obl_transcript.php
Find me that quote, please.
Comment by toasterhead — September 10, 2007 @ 12:35 pm”
Ask, and you shall receive. Referring to the Iraq war:
“There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out,â€
“The second solution is from your side, I invite you to embrace Islam.â€
-Osama Bin Laden.
So, again I ask, when are you announcing your conversion to Islam?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“Li’l Foot… Dawg! Howza Neuticles workin’ out fer ya? Makin’ ya feel like a brand new dawg, er man, ah, boy, yet?
(Talk about denial…)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 10, 2007 @ 12:37 pm”
Stupidity!! Good to hear from you! And how is YOUR conversion to Islam going today?
September 10th, 2007 at 12:48 pmBigfoot’s tidbit o’ the day:
53 percent of Iraqis do not want U.S. Military Forces to abandon Iraq.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pmmaybe not the best analogy, missmolly…
the idjits already think the “islamofascistnazicommies†are
coming to get us and turn us all into “islamofascistnazicommiesâ€â€¦
that’s why “we have to fight ‘em there, not hereâ€â€¦
…
Comment by katy — September 10, 2007 @ 11:47 am
You raise an excellent point, Katy — instead of getting the point I was trying to make (how would you like it if somebody invaded your country and forced a way of life upon you that you didn’t want?), I may have just thrown kerosene on the fire of “the sky is falling! the sky is falling!” alarmists.
I should know better than to try use logic on somebody whose brain only operates on one channel.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:00 pmAsk, and you shall receive. Referring to the Iraq war:
“There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you. This is our duty, and our brothers are carrying it out,â€
“The second solution is from your side, I invite you to embrace Islam.â€
-Osama Bin Laden.
So, again I ask, when are you announcing your conversion to Islam?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Wrong. The first solution is indeed in reference to Iraq, and is a weak threat about the 850 or so AQI fighters in Iraq. The second solution, however, was an abandoment of corporate-controlled democracy and globalization. The “I invite you to embrace Islam” quote comes from much later in the speech, after some bits where he talks about how Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are not opposed to each other. Never does he directly say “convert or we’ll kill you.
And before you twist my words around so you can call me an Islamo-Stalinist bin Laden defender, let me make completely clear that I support neither the man or his methods.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmStupidity!! Good to hear from you! And how is YOUR conversion to Islam going today?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Hey, you’re the one FREAKED ABOUT by the terrorists, when are YOU converting? Since ONLY YOU seems to TRUST the validity or relevance of BEN LADEN’S WORDS? Then we have that PESKY MATTER of why you WINGNUTS keep HARBORING and PROTECTING him from capture? What’s wrong, too SYMPATHETIC of another GAY BASHING, WOMAN HATING WINGNUT?
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pmUmar is fake. Its just a ruse by someone like Mr. Pee. He wants to reinforce his belief that progressive types want to ally with Muslims, or worse. He’s wrong.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:24 pmDumb Neo-con’s tidbit of the day:
100% of the Iraqi’s would love people like O. Bigfoot to visit Iraq and walk through the streets of Baghdad so they can show them just HOW MUCH they appreciate people like him.
September 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pm53 percent of Iraqis do not want U.S. Military Forces to abandon Iraq.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 10, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
60% of Americans want the US to set a timetable and STICK TO IT, NO MATTER WHAT’S HAPPENING IN IRAQ! Funny, I thought you WINGNUTS claimed to REPRESENT AMERICA, not ANOTHER MUSLIM STATE?
Here are a few more POLLING NUMBERS for you WINGNUT! Especially since they seem to DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE LIE YOU JUST POSTED!!! You F*ckups have created a PRETTY BLEAK SITUATION - O DUMBASS!
[N]early two-thirds of Iraqis now say it was wrong for the United States and its allies to have invaded Iraq — 63 percent, up from 52 percent six months ago and from 39 percent in the first Iraq poll by ABC, the BBC and NHK (and the German broadcaster ARD) in February 2004.
Seventy-nine percent of Iraqis oppose the presence of coalition forces in the country, essentially unchanged from last winter — including more than eight in 10 Shiites and nearly all Sunni Arabs. (Seven in 10 Kurds, by contrast, still support the presence of these forces.)
Similarly, 80 percent of Iraqis disapprove of the way U.S. and other coalition forces have performed in Iraq; the only change has been an increase in negative ratings of the U.S. performance among Kurds. And 86 percent of Iraqis express little or no confidence in U.S. and U.K. forces, similar to last winter and again up among Kurds.
Accusations of mistreatment continue: Forty-one percent of Iraqis in this poll (vs. 44 percent in March) report unnecessary violence against Iraqi citizens by U.S. or coalition forces. That peaks at 63 percent among Sunni Arabs, and 66 percent in Sunni-dominated Anbar.
This disapproval rises to an endorsement of violence: Fifty-seven percent of Iraqis now call attacks on coalition forces “acceptable,†up six points from last winter and more than three times its level (17 percent) in February 2004. Since March, acceptability of such attacks has risen by 15 points among Shiites (from 35 percent to 50 percent), while remaining near-unanimous among Sunnis (93 percent).
September 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pm70 Percent Of Iraqis are Muslimshiteaters!!!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pm“Hey, you’re the one FREAKED ABOUT by the terrorists, when are YOU converting? Since ONLY YOU seems to TRUST the validity or relevance of BEN LADEN’S WORDS? Then we have that PESKY MATTER of why you WINGNUTS keep HARBORING and PROTECTING him from capture? What’s wrong, too SYMPATHETIC of another GAY BASHING, WOMAN HATING WINGNUT?
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 10, 2007 @ 1:22 pm”
So I take it your conversion to Islam is going well, then?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:10 pmYeah, it’s doing wonders for my life here in America, too. So, we’re giving out financial incentives to Iraqis to start businesses in the Shorja market in Baghdad? How about 40 acres and a mule so I can start my own business here in America — or is that a waste of the taxpayers’ money? At least I have the same healthcare services as the average Iraqi. . . .
September 10th, 2007 at 2:33 pm70 Percent Of Iraqis are Muslimshiteaters!!!!!!
Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
here goes our little friend, mr. p, the racist wacko. It must be hard for you not to live in a land of a pure race …. maybe like Hitler was trying to create in WWII Germany and Austria?
Got your KKK Hood and sheet back from the cleaners yet?
September 10th, 2007 at 2:34 pmHere is the video of David Petraeus’ report on capitol hill:
PETRAEUS REPORT - VIDEO
September 10th, 2007 at 2:49 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=8861802a-115f-4506-aa24-08c389ead8c0
It’s funny how the Lady Liberty post got hundreds of you up in arms to lash out at her, but Umar’s comments claiming a huge conservative plan to attack muslims and their mosques (requiring pre-emptive retaliation) drew almost 0 criticism from you people.
Oh that’s right, it would be politically incorrect to say anything that might offend Umar.
GOD YOU PEOPLE NEED TO BE DEPORTED!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmMothra
Thanks loads & bunches for taking the time out of your undoubtedly busy schedule of destroying Japan to comment in this thread
Unfortunately, the obvious radiation damage to what you would call a brain negates your statements, but what the hey, the fact is, you stopped wrecking The Land Of The Rising Sun to let us in on your ignorance, so a BIG thumbs up to you
And Bigfoot never did answer that point about bin Laden pushing Islam when it comes to not paying taxes
Too Bad, So Sad
September 10th, 2007 at 4:01 pm>Comment by Lady Liberty
Shut up hermaprodite. Dont have the courage to pick a name and stay with it, do ya?
September 10th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI should know better than to try use logic on somebody whose brain only operates on one channel.
Comment by missmolly — September 10, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
LOL… live and learn, huh…
September 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pm…
LOL - who gave liberals access to viewgraph software?
I doubt the validity and reliability of any such poll coming out of Iraq. Vague questions to citizens left without power most of the day, etc., how can this be taken seriously.
Ask the Germans, Japaness and South Koreans if they are better off today, because the US defeated their evil, oppressive governments and rebuilt their countries / economies.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pm>Ask the Germans, Japaness and South Koreans
> if they are better off today, because the US defeated
> their evil, oppressive governments and
> rebuilt their countries / economies.
All of these countries were undivided by sectarian conflicts, strongly nationalistic with a long history as a unified country, and religiously homogenous. A historian bush quoted even went on national tv after bush mentioned his quote, and said the analogy to Japan was totally false and incorrect.
And remind me, how many casualties did we sustain after occcupying any of these countries?
Please explain why Iraq is similar to these countries but not to the numerous other countries where occupation has failed ….. why did you pick 3 and fail to mention any others?
September 11th, 2007 at 3:12 am