FACT CHECK: Petraeus To Withdraw Troops Next Summer Because Of Broken Military, Not ‘Progress’
FACT CHECK: Petraeus To Withdraw Troops Next Summer Because Of Broken Military, Not ‘Progress’
In today’s hearing, Gen. David Petraeus suggested that he will withdrawal 30,000 troops from Iraq next summer, citing that “security gains” and future progress due to the escalation have allowed the move:
Based on all this and on the further progress we believe we can achieve over the next few months, I believe that we will be able to reduce our forces to the pre-surge level of brigade combat teams by next summer without jeopardizing the security gains that we have fought so hard to achieve.
The traditional media has largely accepted Petraeus’s spin. The New York Times reported that “the hard-won progress made in Iraq” permitted the withdrawal. “[S]ecurity progress in Iraq should allow” withdrawal next summer, reported Bloomberg. The “President’s troop escalation plan in Iraq had met its military objectives” according to Petraeus, stated ABC.
But in reality, security and political progress in Iraq is nonexistent. Petraeus, who has said he wants to stay in Iraq for 9-10 years, is in fact reducing troop levels next summer because the escalation has overstretched and overburdened the military to its breaking point.
Several current and former Bush administration officials have publicly warned for several months that current troop levels cannot be sustained past next summer:
Joint Chiefs Chairman Peter Pace: Pace “is expected to advise President Bush to reduce the U.S. force in Iraq next year by almost half” and “is likely to convey concerns by the Joint Chiefs that keeping well in excess of 100,000 troops in Iraq through 2008 will severely strain the military.” [8/24/07]
Army Chief of Staff George Casey: “Right now we have in place deployment and mobilization policies that allow us to meet the current demands. If the demands don’t go down over time, it will become increasingly difficult for us to provide the trained and ready forces.” [8/20/07]Commanding General Odierno: “We know that the surge of forces will come at least through April at the latest, April of ‘08, and then we’ll have to start to reduce…we know that they will start to reduce in April of ‘08 at the latest.” [8/26/07]
Army Secretary Peter Geren:“[T]he service’s top official, recently said he sees ‘no possibility’ of extending the duty tours of US troops beyond 15 months.” [8/30/07]
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell: “[T]hey probably can’t keep this up at this level past the middle of next year, I would guess. This is a tremendous burden on our troops.” [7/18/07]
The Petraeus spin operation is simply buying more time for an escalation that will ultimately mean more American and Iraqi deaths.
UPDATE: Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-NV) office put out the following fact-check of Petraeus’ testimony here and here. The Speaker’s blog adds more.
UPDATE II: The Center for American Progress produced this pre-buttal video of Petraeus’ testimony that lays out the key myths and facts. Watch it:
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bush still has the wash on “spin cycle” and the clothes won’t be dry until 2009. Plus, that nasty old g.o.p. stain will be removed.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:02 pmIt’s high, high, hee, the fascist insanity, as those oil-nazis go rolling along…
Sieg Heils all around… This fascism is for you…
“You’ve got Fascism!”
You’ve got alot to like with an oil-nazi, filter, flavor, flip-top fascism…
September 10th, 2007 at 7:04 pmSo, now 30,000 troop withdrawal is NOT good enough?! LOL, TP.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:05 pmGee its fun living in a propagandist state.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:07 pmSo, now 30,000 troop withdrawal is NOT good enough?! LOL, TP.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
This is just more of “Hide the Weinie” Jakey, that is the number he sent for the surge, we will just be back down to the number we were at BEFORE the surge. So no reduction, just Business as Usual.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:08 pmWithdrawing 30,000 troops is doing nothing.
It is a sham. Smoke and Mirrors.
They just ramped up about 30,000 troops for the so called “surge”.
All that removing 30,000 troops would do is bring us back to pre surge conditions.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:08 pmToo bad Bush wasn’t a strong enough leader to convince America to give a shit about Iraq. I recall after 9-11 that Bush had the whole world behind him in his fight to “get those who did this to us.” Instead, we get Rove’s perpetual campaign and his need to divide America and use EVERYTHING as a wedge issue. What a shame and a failure of leadership.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThis Toilet Paper hate-site is only preaching to the choir now: all of its “articles” like this one are total acts of brainwashing and indoctrination! All the progtards on this website who still award credibility to TP’s “articles” are unmasked as the most unquestioning sheeple who refuse to think for themselves. This “article” alleges that TP has uncovered some “proof” that Petraeus was lying that the drawdown next summer will be because of progress. However, in order to gain credibility, TP has to offer sources showing they’ve effectively discredited Patreus’ assertion of progress. If the brainwashed and zombie-fied sheeple called progtards would click on the provided links and quotes from generals, NONE of the generals makes a connection between a drawdown next summer and the military being broken. So, you progressives are so unintelligent that TP’s lying through its teeth at you, yet you still patronize this site and spread hatred against patriotic Americans like Patreus!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pmHighPockets:
After Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, FDR retaliated in . . .
AFRICA?!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pmPace “is expected to advise President Bush to reduce the U.S. force in Iraq next year by almost halfâ€
Didn’t Pace publicly deny this last month when this speculation broke?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:12 pmAfter Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, FDR didn’t divide America and make the attack a partisan issue. After Osama bin Laden killed Americans on US soil we attacked . . . IRAQ?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:14 pmToo bad Bush wasn’t a strong enough leader to convince America to give a shit about Iraq.
Comment by HighPockets — September 10, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
A. What makes you think Americans don’t give a shit about Iraq.
B. What did Iraq have to do with 911?
C. Why do you think winning peoples hearts and minds can be done at the barrel of a gun? (hint: it can’t).
The fact is the American people care enough about Iraq and the Iraqi people, to leave them alone.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:17 pmSo, now 30,000 troop withdrawal is NOT good enough?! LOL, TP.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Sure Jake, they’ll be at presurge levels by next July. Ten months to get back to the original 150,000 troops. Some freakin’ drawdown.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pm“…and on the further progress we believe we can achieve over the next few months.”
September 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pmBring on the ouija boards – all the hocus-pocus. Surge = 30,000 troops; Withdrawal = 30,000.
Just pull the ‘rabbit out of the hat’ already – total withdrawl.
Bush bots support the military by breaking the military.
They support the military by allowing convicted felons to join.
They support the military by allowing white supremacists and gang members to join.
They support the military by extending their tours.
They support the military by making the troops more likely to be tortured and abused when captured by supporting policies of torture and abuse.
Please, the US troops don’t need that kind of support.
-GSD
September 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pmSo, now 30,000 troop withdrawal is NOT good enough?! LOL, TP.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007
And I bet you believed the surge would mean an increase of only 20,000, too.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:21 pmToo bad Bush wasn’t a strong enough leader to convince America to give a shit about Iraq.
Comment by HighPockets
Too bad Bush lied to get us into Iraq, and let the real al qaeda and the taliban regroup in Afghanistan.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:22 pmToo bad, Bush is a f*ckup!!
HighPockets:
I think the Democrats divided America, not Bush (BTW: FDR did use WWII in partisan attacks). No comment about FDR actually attacking the Germans in Africa before taking on Japan who launched the Pearl Harbor attacks?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:23 pmActually if you consider it, Bush was able to convince the American people of the need to attack Iraq. Problem is, since the aftermath has been such a fubar mess, the American people aren’t really sure of him or anything he wants to do anymore. Sort of similar to a snake oil salesman, who is coming through town the 4th or 5th time.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pmComment by Wayne — September 10, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Yea, invading Iraq for 9/11 was like going swimming to dry off: Neither one makes any f’ing sense!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pmFor the record, I think withdrawing 30,000 troops is probably optimistic, but I certainly pray there’s enough progress in Iraq to bring those brave young men and women back home asap.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:26 pmo comment about FDR actually attacking the Germans in Africa before taking on Japan who launched the Pearl Harbor attacks?
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Germany, Italy, and Japan were allied. Use of US troops in North Africa, to prevent Rommel from gaining control of the middle east was both smart and necessary. Use of US troops to attack Iraq, after being attacked by terrorists, not so bright.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:26 pmInvading and occupying their nation, killing their people, and staking claiming their natural resources (oil) is a hell of a way to “care enough about Iraq.”
September 10th, 2007 at 7:27 pmToo bad that Defeatocrats can’t comprehend MULTI-FRONT wars — thank God FDR was able to understand at least that much.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:27 pm# 21. Comment by Krazny — September 10, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Be careful, that is a logical and factual statement, that causes Jakey’s head to explode!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pmFor the record, Saddam supported terrorists before AND after 9/11 — he was therefore allied with terrorists — we could not risk Saddam providing WMD to terrorists so we invaded Iraq to prevent Saddam and his sons from doing so.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:29 pmI think the Democrats divided America, not Bush (BTW: FDR did use WWII in partisan attacks). No comment about FDR actually attacking the Germans in Africa before taking on Japan who launched the Pearl Harbor attacks?
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
You’re quite insanely wrong. No surprise.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:30 pmFor the record, Saddam supported terrorists before AND after 9/11 — he was therefore allied with terrorists — we could not risk Saddam providing WMD to terrorists so we invaded Iraq to prevent Saddam and his sons from doing so.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
YOU still believe that crap???? Did they stick that BushCo firehose enema all the way up your arse? You need help!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:31 pmToo bad that Defeatocrats can’t comprehend MULTI-FRONT wars — thank God FDR was able to understand at least that much.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
good thing FDR was involved, as Bush can’t win a war anywhere, one front or 3. Maybe if some wingnut chickenhawks joined up to help?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:32 pmFor the record, Saddam supported terrorists before AND after 9/11 — he was therefore allied with terrorists — we could not risk Saddam providing WMD to terrorists so we invaded Iraq to prevent Saddam and his sons from doing so.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Show us that “record”, liar.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:33 pmJake, you funny old geezer. At least you make us laugh.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:33 pm… reducing troop levels next summer because the escalation has overstretched and overburdened the military to its breaking point.
nothing to do with the fall elections, though, right?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:34 pmeh?
…
ronjazz, if the Republicans had been in charge, they would have attacked Britain because it MIGHT become an Axis power someday!!! ;)
Comment by UprightLeftIsDownrightStupid — September 10, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
republicans in charge? We’d all have pictures of Hitler in our schools and offices.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:36 pm“For the record, I think withdrawing 30,000 troops is probably optimistic, but I certainly pray there’s enough progress in Iraq to bring those brave young men and women back home asap.”
I think you’re right Jake..
Things are so godawful in Iraq it’s going to take at least a year of increased troop presence to have even a glimmer of a hope of making things as godawful as they were in 2006.
hog
September 10th, 2007 at 7:37 pmUse the Internet to help some body that needs help right now (if he isnt dead) … Read this article
September 10th, 2007 at 7:37 pmYear 2003…….Stay The Course
September 10th, 2007 at 7:38 pmyear 2004 Stay The Course
year 2005 Stay The course
Year 2006 Stay The Course…elections/Democrats take over Congress
Year 2007 Surge(Jan.-Sept.)…., after September
Year 2007 Stay The Course
Year 2008 Stay The Course
‘The New York Times reported that “the hard-won progress made in Iraq†permitted the withdrawal.’
Heh! TP is in full damage control mode today…They know that Petraeus has been so effective today in explaining why the surge is a success that even the liberal New York Times has been forced to admit that….All TP can do now is turn on their former allies in the press and now claim they are lying! Only TP has the corner on wisdom! Even though pretty much everyone else — left and right — now sees they are, and have been, wrong.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmWhat’s this “draw down” in 2008 by Petraeus – it’s nothing new. They must do that because the army is broken. It has always been known that 2008 would bring a reduction in troops.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIt’s election year also.
The numbers he is talking about are only going to bring the numbers down to the level of pre-surge.
This is nothing but bullsh**.
30,000 troop draw down by JULY 2008. Sure, it’s because of the success of the surge that they’re returning to presurge levels in 10 months. Not because they would be coming home through rotation.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:43 pmComment by [...]— September 10, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Fun, ain’t it?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:46 pmJake your bundling alot of little tribal militias into one big terror group.
Saddam may jave made deals with militia groups to keep his country somewhat stable. The fact is Petraus has been makind deals with militia groups [terrorists to you] to fight other militias [terrorirsts] I think Petraeus called them partnerships in his presentation.
There were partnerships made in Vietnam, and In North Korea. The Freedom Fighters were a type of partnership. Did Saddam have partnerships? You bet your ass he did. Saddam was a problem, but was a sworn enemy of Osama.
In effect, Osama, got rid of his sworn enemy, Saddam.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:46 pmThe new York Times ceased having a liberal slant somewhere around 1972, Exley, so enjoy your irrelevance. total propaganda organ for GOP malfeasance and perversions for 35 years, now. No more believable than FOX LIES.
Nice try. Betrayus is a Bush stooge, a liar and a phony. that’s why so many were fired before him; they were patriots. it took Bush this long to find his own Benedict Arnold.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:48 pmHeh! TP is in full damage control mode today…They know that Petraeus has been so effective today in explaining why the surge is a success that even the liberal New York Times has been forced to admit that….All TP can do now is turn on their former allies in the press and now claim they are lying! Only TP has the corner on wisdom! Even though pretty much everyone else — left and right — now sees they are, and have been, wrong.
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Yup just like the media said there was WMD too, and look how well that turned out, now run along. How many more 6 month terms before you realize the Iraqi people don’t want western democracy when their having it bombed on them?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:49 pm“back to pre-sure levels”
wow, thanks a lot.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI only want the troops to come home under conditions that discredit the Bush administration.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 7:50 pmThis is nothing but bullsh**.
Comment by Marie — September 10, 2007
Absolutely. They are trying to sell this as a success marker, and it’s nothing of the kind. Disingenuous propaganda.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:52 pmStatement from a REAL general:
“War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.”
Major General Smedley Butler, 1933. Nicknamed the “Fighting Quaker,” at the time of this speech, he was the highest decorated US Marine.
hog
September 10th, 2007 at 7:52 pm9 American soldiers killed today in Iraq. Is that enough for you, Exley? would you be happier with 12? 18? 35? What’s the number that will make you happy, you and your troop-hating, scum-sucking chickenhawk 25%ers? Will you spit on them when they return, like you did after Viet Nam? Yes, that’s what I said. Drunken wingnut WW1 and 2 vets are the ones that did that foul deed. Blaming hte grunts and GIs for the leadership’s lies and failures, just like you do now. How many dead are enough?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI only want the troops to come home under conditions that discredit the Bush administration.
Comment by liberal blogger — September 10, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Too late.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:54 pmOn NBC Nightly News, they ran a segment from a New York Times produced video documenting the “progress in Iraq.
The video intermixed pockets of relative normalcy in outlying provinces coupled with scenes of Iraqi’s protesting in the streets for U.S. troops to go home.
In watching the video where they showed areas with shoppers in the streets and children playing, it struck me… WHAT ARE OUR TROOPS DOING THAT IRAQI POLICE COULDN’T DO INSTEAD?
The reason some of these people are living in relative normalcy is BECAUSE they feel safer with troops standing guard and playing cop.
The news keeps repeating, “The surge is working.” My reaction: “Oh, so the Iraqi government is taking advantage of the “breathing room” to make gains in the political reconciliation between the factions? Because THAT is what “the surge” was intended to do, because if that is NOT what is happening, then the “surge” is NOT working.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWhy do libtards hate the Military?
September 10th, 2007 at 7:58 pmThey know that Petraeus has been so effective today in explaining why the surge is a success.
The surge was’t a success Exley, it was partnerships with militias to fight AQI.
You can spin that many ways. Did the military partnerships bring some success? Yes. Do we then need more troops? No. Can we reduce troops if these partnerships hold? Yes.
I dont know why thats so hard to see.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pm“Will you spit on them when they return, like you did after Viet Nam? ”
Heh! Talk about delusional…Attempting to blame a conservative for the despicable actions of liberal “anti-war” activists. The people who spat on returning Viernam veterans were of the same ideological bent as those who today heckled Gen. Petraeus and slandered him as a traitor.
September 10th, 2007 at 7:59 pmLet’s KILL some more innocent people…
…so that Bush look’s like he’s beat the Dems again…
…and kill time…
…to pass this sh*t on to the next FOOL!
…and let Bushiva’s criminal corporate cabal…
…keep profiteering…
…and raise the taxes on the DUMB A*S DUHmerikkkan idiot inbreds…
…when their gods Bushiva and L’il Dick ride off unscathed…
…Americans aren’t worthy of freedom…
…they’re too fu*kin’ STUPID!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:00 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:01 pm“For the record,” there was only one terrorist in all of Iraq who even claimed any connection with al Qaeda at all. That was Zarqawi, who was based in the northern Kurdish-controlled region. According to our own pentagon, the military sent at least 3 plans and opportunities to kill Zarqawi to Bush before the invasion and Bush refused each time to santion the killing of Zarqawi. The pentagon report said the administration didn’t want to undercut a potential political argument for invasion. Zarqawi went on to personally cut a few Americans’ heads off because Bush made a political decision not to take him out…. for the record. And, for the record, al Qaeda disavowed any connection with Zarqawi.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:01 pmThe surge was’t a success Exley, it was partnerships with militias to fight AQI….
Comment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
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That’s what “training the Iraqis so that they can pull themselves up by the boot-straps” means. The surge was a success, and training Iraqis to kill terrorists is part of the process.
LOL!
Come on, moonbats, even the Dems knew that!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by
liberalCon Shill blogger — September 10, 2007Bush was discredited when no WMD was found, as that was a big part of the reason for the invasion, ignoring intel will do that.
Nice Try Fake Progressive.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:01 pmMeet Iggy,
I don’t disagree with you…Neither does Gen. Petraeus.
“The surge was’t a success Exley, it was partnerships with militias to fight AQI.
You can spin that many ways. Did the military partnerships bring some success? Yes. Do we then need more troops? No. Can we reduce troops if these partnerships hold? Yes.”
The partnerships with the militias against Al Qaeda in Iraq was part of the surge. And as Petraeus said, this success means will be able to start withdrawing troops next year as these gains are solidified.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pmThe people who spat on returning Viernam veterans were of the same ideological bent as those who today heckled Gen. Petraeus and slandered him as a traitor.
Comment by Exley #57
This time is much MORE serious…
…so instead of spitting on the TROOPS…
…we should HANG all of their civilian leaders…
…profiteers, and administration propagandists and supporters…
September 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmComment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmZarqawi went on to personally cut a few Americans’ heads off because Bush made a political decision not to take him out…. for the record…
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 10, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
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LOL!!! :D
You think that Zarqawi was pissed that Bush didn’t kill him soon enough!!!
Man, you leftonians need to wake up!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:03 pmThat’s what “training the Iraqis so that they can pull themselves up by the boot-straps†means. The surge was a success, and training Iraqis to kill terrorists is part of the process. -Mr P
No Mr P, the groups were not INF, they were militia groups. The INF still has problems and is going thru a re-blueing process. But thanks for helpping prove that the surge didnt secure the Anbar province,,
Idiot college sponge.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:04 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pmHeh! TP is in full damage control mode today…They know that Petraeus has been so effective today in explaining why the surge is a success that even the liberal New York Times has been forced to admit that….All TP can do now is turn on their former allies in the press and now claim they are lying! Only TP has the corner on wisdom! Even though pretty much everyone else — left and right — now sees they are, and have been, wrong.
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
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You got that right! But, lets be honest, it wasn’t hard for Petraeus to explain that the surge was a success, because, the surge was, in fact, a huge success!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007
As I recall Bush had to put large bounties on peoples heads to find them.
But idiot drug alcohol infused college welfare sponges dont have long memories. Nice try. Now go get hazed.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pmExley: “They know that Petraeus has been so effective today in explaining why the surge is a success that even the liberal New York Times has been forced to admit that…”
Get serious, liar. You know damn good and well that the NYT AND the Washington Post worked like hell to sell the war to us with fraudulent propaganda. Does the name Judith Miller ring a bell? She and the NYT are dripping with blood.
And, sure, Patraeus is doing such a great job that a full 37% of the population believes what he’s saying. Some polls have over 60% of the public expressing the opinion that they can’t believe anything he says about the situation in Iraq. Yeah, he’s just great.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007
Okay, if the surge was such a huge success tell us why the British bailed out and Bush flew into Anbar? Why not Baghdad where most of the troops were?
BTW How are those Bechtel projects going?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:09 pmBush cultist: “You got that right! But, lets be honest, it wasn’t hard for Petraeus to explain that the surge was a success, because, the surge was, in fact, a huge success!!!”
Do you have any evidence at all to back up that statement? Any real drop in American casulties. A drop in sectarian violence somewhere other than Anbar province in which only 5% of the Iraqi population live, perhaps. Or are you just repeated the words of someone who claimed it was a success?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:09 pmNo Mr P, the groups were not INF, they were militia groups. The INF still has problems and is going thru a re-blueing process. But thanks for helpping prove that the surge didnt secure the Anbar province,,
Idiot college sponge.
Comment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
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Umm… you have a short memory, don’t you?
It has been demonstrate time and time again that, first and foremost, it has been the presence of U.S. Marines in collaboration with local tribes that secured Anbar.
Oh, wait, you didn’t read the article that TP linked to so you would know about that!
You prefer to have that old familiar TP spin!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:09 pmPetraeus spins and the know-nothing college welfare sponges soak it up.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:10 pmYou got that right! But, lets be honest, it wasn’t hard for Petraeus to explain that the surge was a success, because, the surge was, in fact, a huge success!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
Well, if it isn’t the queen of platitudes and vague stupid generalities come to visit TP.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:10 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 10, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Perhaps you ought to move to a less blood-soaked country!
LOL!
:D
September 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmAgain, 5% of the Iraqi population lives in the Anbar Province, and they’re almost all Sunnis. This bleating and honking about Anbar Province is a bunch of bullshite.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThe Surge has been a resounding Military success!
Now the ball is the Iraqis court, they need to get their sh!t together, politically.
GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI’d rather fix our country, dumbass. In 2009, when we have a supermajority of Dems in both houses of congress and a Democratic president, maybe you’ll feel like moving.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:13 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
Comment by klowgie — September 10, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
mr. p troll crap, to be more precise.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:13 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 10, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
Why would I?
Even the Dems know that there is major progress in Iraq!
You moonbats are the only ones b!tching!
:D
September 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe president secretly flew 12 hours to this dusty air base in a remote part of Anbar province, bypassing Baghdad in a symbolic expression of impatience with political paralysis in the nation’s capital. The gesture underscored the U.S. belief that the spark for progress may come at the local level.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates arrived ahead of Bush and conferred with senior U.S. officials, including Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, before a session with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, President Jalal Talabani, and other top Iraqi officials from Baghdad.
To a large degree, the setting was the message: Bringing al-Maliki, a Shiite, to the heart of mostly Sunni Anbar province was intended to show the administration’s war critics that the beleaguered Iraqi leader is capable of reaching out to Sunnis, who ran the country for years under Saddam Hussein.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Bush cultist: “GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!”
Why would God do that?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pmIt has been demonstrate time and time again that, first and foremost, it has been the presence of U.S. Marines in collaboration with local tribes that secured Anbar.
Oh, wait, you didn’t read the article that TP linked to so you would know about that!
You prefer to have that old familiar TP spin!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Just an opinion, moron, not a fact. Give us some facts.
Asif.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:15 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
A TROLL IS STILL A TROLL EVEN IF IT IS ON ITS KNEES PRAYING TO GOD!
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:15 pmIt has been demonstrate time and time again that, first and foremost, it has been the presence of U.S. Marines in collaboration with local tribes that secured Anbar.
Oh, wait, you didn’t read the article that TP linked to so you would know about that!
You prefer to have that old familiar TP spin!
Comment by Mr PeePee — September 10, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Good old Anbar, which holds something like 5% of the population of Iraq, nearly all of it now tribal Sunni. What a perfect microcosm of the country it is. Oh, wait. It’s anyting but.
Sunni tribesmen turned against Al Qaeda In Iraq because they didn’t like being told how to live, and they’ve joined the US Marines because it is expedient. Anyone who believes that they’re going to be friendly little Iraqis after that particular conflict is resolved, and become fast buddies with the US is, well, they’re as dumb as Mr Pee.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:16 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:17 pmThe Sunni tribal leaders of the Anbar Province are friends with Hamas. They are not our friends. This entire “Anbar is a huge success” line is pure propaganda.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:18 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007
No, your saying it was because of troop surge when it wasnt because of the troop surge,the progress was made by Sunni militias, that REGIME of Saddams they wanted to change, remember,the Sunnis.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:19 pmThe Sunni tribal leaders of the Anbar Province are friends with Hamas. They are not our friends.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — September 10, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
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So are your Leftist buddies!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:20 pmThe people who spat on returning Viernam veterans …
Comment by Exley — September 10, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
really, ex??? jeez, man, i thought YOU were smarter than that,
September 10th, 2007 at 8:20 pmto actually give any credence to that old urban myth…
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Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:21 pmAs I said before P, partnerships, scroll back and read again, moron.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:21 pmFor the record, Saddam supported terrorists before AND after 9/11 – Jake D Liar
Prove that assertion, liar
September 10th, 2007 at 8:21 pmWho gives a sh!t if they are Sunnis or Shias?
As long as they are killing Muslimshiteaters, the Surge is a success!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:22 pmMister P, the college druggie welfare queen,, thiinks a partnership is the same as a US surge.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:22 pmFor the record, I think withdrawing 30,000 troops is probably optimistic,
For the record, Saddam supported terrorists before AND after 9/11
Comment by Jake D.
Poor little Jakie is afraid that none of us are paying attention to him so everything he says from now on will be “for the record”. Sad thing is, he’s the only one who cares.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pmSo are your Leftist buddies!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007
Well now there ARE your buddies, Islamofascist Jihadist idiot.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pmMister P, the college druggie welfare queen,, thiinks a partnership is the same as a US surge.
Comment by Meet Iggy — September 10, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
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The Surge and the U.S. strategy that has been implimented over the past months are all inter-related aspects of the mission in Iraq. The Surge worked, the U.S. is winning, Muslimshiteaters are dying!!!
Sorry, lefties!!! You lose again!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:25 pm911:The story of Mohemedou Ould Slahi
September 10th, 2007 at 8:25 pmSunni tribesmen turned against Al Qaeda In Iraq because they didn’t like being told how to live, and they’ve joined the US Marines because it is expedient. Anyone who believes that they’re going to be friendly little Iraqis after that particular conflict is resolved, and become fast buddies with the US is, well, they’re as dumb as Mr Pee.
Don’t forget, “the enemy of our enemy is our friend”. And that’s worked out so well for us in the past, we just want to keep doing it over and over and over again. NOT!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:25 pm911:The story of Mohemedou Ould Slahi
Comment by ccokz — September 10, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
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What the fuk is this shit?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
How do you feel when you employ your favorite bizarro term? Does it make you feel empowered? Is it to try to get attention? Is it just a kid’s stoner joke? Are you bitter? Really what is your deal?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmWho gives a sh!t if they are Sunnis or Shias?
As long as they are killing Muslimshiteaters, the Surge is a success!!!
I’ll tell you who gives a sh1t. People with a conscience and a soul give a sh1t. People like you, who love death and destruction, have no soul and therefore have no ability to care about anything other than yourself. There is a special place in hell being reserved for you and your ilk. Hoping you will be there soon.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmThe Surge worked, ….
Sorry, lefties!!! You lose again!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007
Good, then we can come home now.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:29 pmWhat the fuk is this shit?
nothing. its just a clearification of the background that led to 911.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:29 pmMister is a total dupe, first he says kill all muslims, now he thinks, partnerships are a good thing, cause Petraeus said the surge worked!!
Wha a dolt, You will say anything to be an idiot and anything to try to keep from looking like lke an idiot, while really, youve been an idiot the whole time you been here flooding and makind staupid comments and acting like sybil the psycho sock puppet.
IDIOT.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:29 pmWho gives a sh!t if they are Sunnis or Shias? -Mr P
Thats the best idiot excuse you can make to cover up your idiot behavior?
Point proven.
You can go back to your idiot blog with your idiot adolescent friends and run around acting like immature idiots. SO long P, enjoy your time in cloud cuckoo idiot land.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmHope your unemployment check still buys the aloted amout of booze and cigarettes you desire, idiot. I wont even go into the stupid structure and misspelling.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmHope your unemployment check still buys the aloted amout of booze and cigarettes you desire, idiot. I wont even go into the stupid structure and misspelling.
Comment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Isn’t it strange how despite those errors, the gentleperson’s point still came through so clearly?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:38 pmdbadass, gentleperson is in the next stall, but then again, how would you know, your nose is in your daughters panties.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:40 pmHope your unemployment check still buys the aloted amout of booze and cigarettes you desire, idiot. I wont even go into the stupid structure and misspelling.
Comment by Iggyisanidiot
Glass houses, Mr. Pee. Yawn. Boooorinnnng.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:41 pmoh sorry, step daughter.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:41 pmComment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
Interesting response.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pmwow, such a bright bulb
September 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pmOh sorry, interesting responses
September 10th, 2007 at 8:43 pmComment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:43 pmMy Theory. The Sunnis in Al Anbar are afraid of the Shiites in the south. The Shiites in Iraq are: friendly with neighboring Iran…in the majority….and mad as hell at the Sunnis for blowing up their mosques and civilians. If America is threatening to withdraw from Iraq,,,then the
September 10th, 2007 at 8:43 pmSunnis will be facing an angry, motivated, well supplied enemy….so they need cash and weapons … it’s time to play “lets make a deal”.
The proof of whether the Surge is working is ….if the Sunnis rejoin the Government now controlled by al Maliki and the Shiites. When I see that, I’ll believe the Surge is working.
Comment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:44 pmsmells like crap in here, klowgie has really stunk up the place.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:45 pmSen. Harry Reid’s (D-NV) office put out the following fact-check of Petraeus’ testimony here and here.
It’s nice that Petraeus’ statements have been fact checked and mostly put to rest as being exaggerations or downright lies. Now the question is will the MSM and “liberal” media run with it or just throw roses at the feet of the general? Finally a general getting roses under his feet….
September 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pmsmells like crap in here, klowgie has really stunk up the place.
Comment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
Sure it wasn’t some nonexistent family member of klowgie’s?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmComment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
SMELLS LIKE TROLL CRAP IN THIS PLACE!
September 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmdlet
September 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmright, fact checked by sen reed. and he’s a lie.
Via Josh, one Republican is bailing on the party line and won’t support funding of the war.
Thank you, Rep. Walsh.
See, Dems, now was that so hard?
September 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pmFunny. I think a piece of crap just showed up on my screen. Hmm.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pmk, its break time, got a good cuban thru canada, time to light it up.
some of you might want to look up brain food, thats spelled brain, not fool food.
see ya in about twenty minutes, oh, and a good brandy.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:51 pmComment by troqua — September 10, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
I second that thanks to Walsh. Takes some guts if he really does it.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:52 pmoh, and a good brandy.
Comment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
She’s a fine girl…
September 10th, 2007 at 8:54 pmEnjoy!
Petreaus proven to be a propagandist, just as Powell was with his drawings of imagined mobile WMD. These people are set on running the USA into the ground. There seems to be no low they will not stoop to. Disgusting.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:58 pmfigures a rightard would deal with contraband from America’s nemisis, Castro. Hypocrisy knows no bounds in wingnutland.
September 10th, 2007 at 8:58 pmComment by levi — September 10, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Much better, MR. TROLL. Now I will be disappearing for the night…but remember…SME[...]…ok TROLL?
Now where’s that BCgirl…
September 10th, 2007 at 9:01 pmfigures a rightard would deal with contraband from America’s nemisis, Castro. Hypocrisy knows no bounds in wingnutland.
Comment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
I too thought this was odd but whatever as there is no real person behind all of that weirdness
September 10th, 2007 at 9:01 pmI second that thanks to Walsh. Takes some guts if he really does it.
Comment by dlet — September 10, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
And Joe Biden comes back and says the surge is a failure and Petraeus is dead wrong but he’ll keep funding the war because Bush won’t end it and more money is the ONLY way to keep the troops safe.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:03 pmshayne, cant even spell his name, misspelled shame, yeah ur right, got my generics thru canada, and a nice bud light. only its a 50 ring and the brandy was midleton (scotch) knew you wouldnt know what it was, I was out of brandy.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:08 pmMight want to look at the rules, canada to us, us to canada.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:10 pmI watched the testimony of David Petraeus, America’s surgin’ general. If he runs for president in 2008, he’s got my vote. If that man can work miracles in Anbar, he can do anything! Isn’t it wonderful how things are finally going our way in Iraq, just as the President predicted. I just wish the liberal bloggers and the media would stop attacking our troops. Gen. Petraeus is on the FRONT LINES every day, risking his life to bring peace to the middle east. He deserves our support, no matter what. Let’s not ruin everything like we did during Vietnam. We need a united front!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:10 pmActually, the ethnic cleansing of neighborhoods in Iraq will be the primary determinant of how fast our forces can be drawn down in Iraq. (Along with any possible political reconciliation between Shia and Sunni in the new Iraqi government, although this is highly unlikely).
This ethnic cleansing, Sunni against Shia, Shia against Sunni, started immediately after Bush launched the attack against Iraq in March 2003.
Once the Interior Ministry came under the control of Shia religious fanatics, the revenge killings of Sunni (and more secular Shia) increased exponentially, leading to Baghdad neighborhoods becoming the new killing fields.
But there’s hope…which is why the following is what I believe the Bush administration is hoping will happen:
Eventually the fluid “ethnic-cleansing” battle lines of today (and the past several years) will solidify, resulting in a de facto partition of Iraq along ethnic, sectarian lines. (This is already well-advanced in Baghdad itself, with the Shia death squads working overtime to clear out “cleanse” as many Sunnis as possible out of Baghdad).
Ethnic cleansing in Iraq is accelerating, as it has been over the past several years, but even this will wind down eventually…which is what the Bush administration is betting on, and betting the lives of our troops on…even as evidence keeps mounting that the sectarian killing “cleansing” just shifts to somewhere else in Iraq and away from where our troops may be positioned at even given time.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pmdont cry shame
September 10th, 2007 at 9:13 pmthe oracle knows, he has a globe.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:14 pmhttp://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001514.html
September 10th, 2007 at 9:14 pmI think the Democrats divided America, not Bush
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Thats because you don’t think.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pmp is so unimaginative. It’s time to ignore her and her sockpuppets.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pmI hope you liberal bloggers take time away from all your parties tomorrow to learn a thing or two from General Petraeus! Real Americans like me and my church group will be praying for you and the troops. You may look up to Osama Bin Laden now, but the streets will one day flow red with the blood of anti-American sinners like you.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pmshame, you surprise me. are you a right wing whaco?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:16 pmHighPockets:
If you ever make it down this far, here’s the proof of Saddam supporting terrorists before AND after 9/11:
1) BEFORE 9/11 — Saddam harbored, and put on a government pension, one of the few perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing who escaped apprehension; Saddam also harbored Abu Nidal (widely regarded as the world’s most dangerous terrorist leader) and Abu Abbas (organizer of the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1984; Abbas was captured in Iraq during the first days of the war). Saddam also paid up to $25,000 to the families of homicide bombers who killed Israelis.
2) AFTER 9/11 — payment to PLO terrorist families continued; al Zarqawi fled Afghanistan into Iraq when the Taliban fell at the end of 2001 — from Iraq, Zarqawi organized the murder of American diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan and organized a chemical weapons attack on Jordan that could have killed tens of thousands had that cell not been caught.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:19 pmReal Americans like me and my church group will be praying for you and the troops. You may look up to Osama Bin Laden now, but the streets will one day flow red with the blood of anti-American sinners like you.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Sounds like an interesting church. Clergy in my town are united in opposition to this whole thing. Will their blood be mixed with mine as it runs into the storm-drain?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:19 pmp is so unimaginative. It’s time to ignore her and her sockpuppets.
Comment by ronjazz — September 10, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
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Lay of the meth.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:19 pmHave some pity for P and all his/her incarnations.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:21 pmComment by Lady Liberty
Hey, it’s the church lady.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:22 pmOff topic, but hey, serving last weeks coffee after the service is pretty lame, don’t you think?
Sorry General. The most recent escalation is not a success. We are not drinking your Fox flavored Cool-Aide anymore.
For four years the situation has been worsening in Iraq. And all that time the Fox Republicans have been saying things have been improving. Froptraeus’ blather is just more of that.
Suggestion: wake up and smell the coffee already. If we can’t do this with an all-out effort in four years, what makes you think we can do it with a declining effort in four, or eight or even twelve more years.
America is tired of excuses. All you Republicans did is prattle on about how great things are through your right-wing billionaire Murdoch mouthpiece at Fox. Listen to me. Okay? Listen to me. It’s not working. You are totally disconnected from reality. You have spun us for four long years and nothing has improved. You have no credibility left anymore. None.
It’s time to start pulling out. We know you are desperately trying to keep America’s heads shoved into the toilet bown in Iraq so you can share the blame with the next Administration which, rest assured, will not be from your sorry party. America is not buying it. We want out. Our presence is only delaying political reconciliation and, in the interim, causing lots and lots of deaths and hundreds of billions of our money wasted.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:23 pmComment by jd — September 10, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Ummm… actually, the American people trust the General, it’s only you far-left moonbats that are paranoid!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:25 pmjd will be the first one crying.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:26 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Please return to all prior posts in which you failed to say Muslimshiteater for no apparent reason and redo them. It will make them so much better.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:29 pmProgressive logic.
In January, Petraeus openly supports the surge during his confirmation hearing. He is overwhelmingly confirmed by the Senate (81-0).
He leads the forces in Iraq to what even many democrats describe as significant progress.
He sits before congress and describes the progress (that many leading democrats also acknowledge).
For all that, he is labeled Betrayus, called a liar, and accused of carrying water for the Bush administration.
Won’t anyone here acknowledge, that if you don’t agree with the war (or the surge for that matter), that Petraeus doesn’t deserve the lambaste. He said what he was going to do. Got the go ahead from congress. Did what he said he was going to do, even by the admission of the opposition.
Is there one reasonable progressive here?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:31 pmok im pissing my pants, but thats all i can do
September 10th, 2007 at 9:34 pmDoes this surprise anyone?
this is exactly what I expected, and posted a comment about to an earlier article. Bush is going to claim the the “surge” ie: escalation, was a success, and then he’ll have most of the troops pulled out by the time of the next presidential election. it’s his exit strategy.
Sadly, a significant portion of Americans are stupid enough to believe the spin.
IMPEACH THE BASTARD! It’s the only way. And that means write to Pelosi and wake her up!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:34 pmIs there one reasonable progressive here?
Comment by paul — September 10, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
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“Reasonable” and “Progressive (in this context)” are two contradictory terms!
No, the “Progressives” here are so anti-American that they will defy all logic just to bad mouth the U.S.
They are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:37 pmIMPEACH THE BASTARD! It’s the only way. And that means write to Pelosi and wake her up!
Comment by http://www.headybrew.net — September 10, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
Nancy Pelosi is doing just fine, but I wish she would wear a pretty dress rather than that lesbian outfit she’s always got on. Is she married?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:37 pmPat Buchanan (whom I hate as much as I hate any inbred Bushite)…
…FINALLY told the truth tonight on MSNBC…
…he said the reason we can’t leave Iraq is because…
…the Iranians would take it over…
…the Bushites HAVE to keep us in Iraq to prevent a STRATEGIC BLUNDER!
…the surge isn’t working, just like the blue and red states aren’t ready to join hands and sing…
… “REUNITED”…
September 10th, 2007 at 9:37 pmhttp://www.headybrew.net
September 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pmsome really bs stickers there, funny, you choose this site with its 25 members to advertize on.
IMPEACH THE BASTARD!
Why?
On what grounds?
And that means write to Pelosi and wake her up!
Comment by http://www.headybrew.net — September 10, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pm“Lay of the meth.”
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007
I’m guessing you would know.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pmNancy Pelosi is doing just fine, but I wish she would wear a pretty dress rather than that lesbian outfit she’s always got on. Is she married?
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
You sound very interested, Lady Lesbian, very interested indeed…
September 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pmSo what, if I’m just another right wing homophobe?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:40 pmPastor Ted
September 10th, 2007 at 9:40 pmlay off the kids, (no pun inteneded)
Is she married?
Comment by Lady Liberty
What does that matter to us mega-churchies, heh heh heh……
September 10th, 2007 at 9:40 pmThey are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
Comment by Maimonides P #164
I look forward to the day we deal with each other…
September 10th, 2007 at 9:40 pmSo what if I’m just another right wing loser?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pmYa Pelosi is married. Don’t you remember when she took her position as Speaker, she had her kids, grandkids, husband, aunts, uncles, all her cousins, 3rd grade teacher, mail carrier and a person she met at the gas station the way in there. Lucky they had just finished the addition to the House.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pmStop hijacking my good name!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pmIf you ever make it down this far, here’s the proof of Saddam supporting terrorists before AND after 9/11:
1) BEFORE 9/11 — Saddam harbored, and put on a government pension, one of the few perpetrators of the first World Trade Center bombing who escaped apprehension; Saddam also harbored Abu Nidal (widely regarded as the world’s most dangerous terrorist leader) and Abu Abbas (organizer of the Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking in 1984; Abbas was captured in Iraq during the first days of the war). Saddam also paid up to $25,000 to the families of homicide bombers who killed Israelis.
2) AFTER 9/11 — payment to PLO terrorist families continued; al Zarqawi fled Afghanistan into Iraq when the Taliban fell at the end of 2001 — from Iraq, Zarqawi organized the murder of American diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan and organized a chemical weapons attack on Jordan that could have killed tens of thousands had that cell not been caught.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
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Since the idiot Lefties most likely didn’t even read this, I will post it again.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pmYou guys are just a bunch of libtards.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pmI look forward to the day we deal with each other…
Comment by big papa — September 10, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
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What? You don’t like life?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pmLiberal is as liberal does
September 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pmYou guys are just a bunch of libtards.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
You got that right.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pmPetreaus is repeating the mistake of twisting facts and presenting inaccurate information, just like General Westmoreland did in 1967 and Colin Powell with his drawings did before the UN. How people believe that this is helpful is beyond understanding unless you are a blind Bush goose stepper. These falsehoods will cost the USA dearly. I respect loyalty to country, not loyalty to criminal administration.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:43 pmLiberal is as liberal does
Comment by Pastor Ted — September 10, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
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Yup, and liberals are and do stupid things!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:43 pmIt is time for all the chickenshit, chickenhaw, warmongering, armchair rangers to get their lilly livered asses to the recruitment station tomorrow. It is time for them to carry water in the war they think is so great. That includes every asswipe troll that spends time on this board. Get thee to the recruiter, cowards.
http://www.usmc.mil
September 10th, 2007 at 9:43 pmhttp://www.goarmy.com
These falsehoods will cost the USA dearly. I respect loyalty to country, not loyalty to criminal administration.
Comment by jb — September 10, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
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You are traitor! The UNITED STATES of AMERICA is not your country, you Islamophile!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:44 pmThey are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
Comment by Maimonides P #164
I look forward to the day we deal with each other…
Comment by big papa — September 10, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Sorry I’ve got firsties as per comment 117
September 10th, 2007 at 9:44 pmi like boys
September 10th, 2007 at 9:44 pmI just peed my pants. Mommy!!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:44 pminteneded)
Comment by jd
Are you trying to say ‘Nintendo’?
Hold that, er, well, heh heh, thought, I’ll be right over to give you some “guydance”.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:44 pmComment by kasinca — September 10, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Are you still here?
Jeez… looks like we have another specimen of “Moonbaticus Jackassius,” as F l a c o used to say!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:45 pmlittle boys
September 10th, 2007 at 9:45 pmdbadass, gentleperson is in the next stall, but then again, how would you know, your nose is in your daughters panties.
Comment by Iggyisanidiot — September 10, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
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HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Sorry, dbadass, but that wasn’t me!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pmComment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
Elisted yet, shit for brains?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pmI can tie my own shoes. Yesterday, they let me go to the park.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pmDo you think I know a lot of things and stuff?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI get so bored playing with myself. oops. . .
September 10th, 2007 at 9:47 pmhere’s the proof of Saddam supporting terrorists before AND after 9/11:
payment to PLO terrorist families continued
Comment by Jake D.i*khead #153
Hey Jakeoff Bush,
your gods flew the bin Laden family out of the country…
AFTER 9/11…
…and NOW…
…they’re paying U.S. troops $20,000 dollars to re-up and continue the Iraqi genocide…
…SMELLS like right wing fascist inbred Bushite HYPOCRISY to me…
…you scummy bastich!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:47 pmReal Americans like me and my church group will be praying for you and the troops. You may look up to Osama Bin Laden now, but the streets will one day flow red with the blood of anti-American sinners like you.
Comment by Lady Liberty — September 10, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Can you fake christian fake Americans do anything besides breed and pray for death. You sound just like Osama.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmp
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmwow, such harsh statements from people who cant even go outside.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmI hate terrorists, you libtards love them.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmFor the record, Saddam supported terrorists before AND after 9/11 – Jake D Liar
jake – serious question – define exactly what a terrorist is – or what is a terrorist in your mind? – in reality it is a word thats true meaning and understanding that even the united nations themselves have been arguing for over a decade to agree upon and still haven’t come to a conclusion – true,saddam gave a safe haven to abbas – so did jordan – and what about the fanatical islamists and clerics (some of whom were affiliated with al qaeda) who ran away to seek refuge in england and were allowed to continue to preach hate and condone violence under the facade of their ‘faith’.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmjake there are many countries who have harboured and aided ‘terrorists’ and ‘freedom fighters’ ,whatever you want to call them (ira?,northern alliance? – terrorists or freedom fighters?), all over the world – do you think that it all started with saddam? – and by the way,abbas i believe was a member of the palestinian liberation front,not al qaeda and last thing i heard they also had nothing to do with 9/11 – you guys just wont let go of this 9/11/iraq imaginary link…..why?
Can you fake christian fake Americans do anything besides breed and pray for death. You sound just like Osama.
Comment by jb — September 10, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
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Real Christians know that there are things worth killing for!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmFor the Petraeus statement and slide show, MSM news coverage, comparisons of recent Iraq assessments, new public opinion polls from Iraq and the latest news, surge progress reports and other essential documents, see:
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“The Iraq Documents Center.”
Ok, I’m ready for a new subject. My brain hurts.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmi hate everyone, only i
September 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmI hate terrorists, you libtards love them.
Comment by Maimondes P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
Absolutely true!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmComment by dbadass#187
…there are enough of ‘em to go around…
September 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmam the great one
September 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmI’m the greatest one!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:50 pmSo, now 30,000 troop withdrawal is NOT good enough?! LOL, TP.
Comment by Jake D. — September 10, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
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I know! TP, despite all odds, is, in fact, even more pathetic than they were yesterday!!!
They sink lower everyday!!!
Proglibdem = anti-America!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:51 pmget your hands out of your pants stupid, you’r showing your only skill
September 10th, 2007 at 9:52 pmReal Christians know that there are things worth killing for!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
This statement makes as much sense as the rest of your mindless hate filled spew. The country would be a better place without you.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:53 pmoh, right, sorry shhaaaaaaaaaaaaaayme, your bf said it didnt work last time. he was really upset.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI am Mr. Ego. I love myself. I think I’ll give myself a high five.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pmWhy am I always picked last.
i only kill roaches and spiders, and icky things
September 10th, 2007 at 9:54 pm…there are enough of ‘em to go around…
Comment by big papa — September 10, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Funny!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:55 pmI’m prepared to let it go as some effort was made to acknowledge a mistake but manners still matter.
I like to smell my own farts, but I have trouble lighting them at the same time.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:55 pmI’m more interesting than Brittany Spears. I once saw her at a Pollo Loco. She’s hot.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI’m prepared to let it go as some effort was made to acknowledge a mistake but manners still matter.
Comment by dbadass — September 10, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
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Yeah, you made the mistake! It wasn’t me, dbadass!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:56 pmWhere’s my pill, mommy?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:56 pmForget all this.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:57 pmIf,if,if,if there even was a reason to take out the former ruler he was visible and could have easily been arrested.
The end.
All these different opinions of “progress” or so-so progress, no progress, etc, etc are about what?
There is absolutely no map to get to what this is suppose to look like anyway.
If you pick up all the jacks and throw them down again there is no way to tell how they land.If you own the jacks it doesn’t matter.
The whole place is in the process of being levelled back to sand, only leaving oil industry infrastructure and a huge oil industry security force.
Oh, and a resort for visiting oil brokers.
I love posting on TP. Everybody reads my posts. I’m special.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:57 pmi only kill roaches and spiders, and icky things
Comment by jb — September 10, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
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you mean… like muslimshiteaters?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:57 pmMaimondes P
September 10th, 2007 at 9:57 pmdont dispair, they are idiots in all walks of life, they tend to congregate here, but you cant help yourself, kinda like watching an accident.
Betry Us needs you cowardly trolls to enlist.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:57 pmComment by Johnsnottoodistracted — September 10, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
Quit your yappin’, you Defeatist!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmYeah, you made the mistake! It wasn’t me, dbadass!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Yeah let’s get together to “discuss” it
September 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmWhat? You don’t like life?
Comment by Maimonides P #180
…It’s just that life will be so much more enjoyable and abundant…
…when we’re feeding you Bushites to your evolutionary cousins…
…the pigs…
September 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmComment by kasinca — September 10, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
Why? The surge worked, thousands of muslimshiteaters are now dead!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmwe can only call people names, because we have no life, and no brains.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmI have a potty mouth. Mommy?
September 10th, 2007 at 9:59 pmFormer CIA agent Ray McGovern gets thrown out of the Petraeus hearing for reminding Ike Skelton to SWEAR Petraeus IN. He did NOT.
This is typical of Bushie TREASON to not testify UNDER OATH in order to avoid PERJURY.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:59 pm…when we’re feeding you Bushites to your evolutionary cousins…
…the pigs…
Comment by big papa — September 10, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
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Wow. You’ll be in gitmo soon, don’t worry, you IslamoStalinist!!!
I’m sending your comment to the F.B.I.!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 9:59 pmwe can only call people names, because we have no life, and no brains.
Comment by jb — September 10, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
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Yeah, that’s why no one takes you libs seriously, except, of course, other moonbats!!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:00 pmThe surge worked. Up is down. Right is left. I’m a smarty boy.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:00 pmok, im a lesbo, just playing on words
September 10th, 2007 at 10:01 pmThe surge worked.
Comment by Maimondes P — September 10, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
It sure did!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:01 pmI’m going to tell on you. I’m going to the FBI. I’m a big shot. I like to turn in my neighbors.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:02 pmEveryone takes me seriously, even Mommy.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:02 pmStop being me. Only I am me.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:04 pmI like pretty horses and playing with my friend, Ted Haggard.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:05 pmQuit your yappin’, you Defeatist!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Defeatists? Ok. First we’ll defeat you and the right wing liars.
Then we’ll defeat the terrorists, by capturing or killing the real terrorists, and not creating any new ones.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:05 pmI’m just being me.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:05 pmMaimondes P
You must have hurt their feelings, see the difference in the posts? Poor stupid libs.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:05 pmyou guys just wont let go of this 9/11/iraq imaginary link…..why?
Comment by ipod — September 10, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
It’s all we have left after the shafting Bush gave us.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:06 pmYou must have hurt their feelings, see the difference in the posts? Poor stupid libs.
Comment by NRA Gunnutes — September 10, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
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Actually, there isn’t much of a difference. Except that now they are stealing my name instead of Bush’s or Cheney’s.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:07 pmI’m sending your comment to the F.B.I.!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
I’m so afraid of you i can’t defend myself! What will I do when the terrorists come for me?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:07 pmYou are so right NRA Gunutes. Poor stupid libs. We’re smarter than them.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:07 pmMommy said so.
Your right, only the typical whining and crying
September 10th, 2007 at 10:08 pmMommy, there’s a bunch of islamofascists under my bed.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:09 pmActually, there isn’t much of a difference. Except that now they are stealing my name instead of Bush’s or Cheney’s.
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
As I’ve stolen the name of a 12th century jewish scholar, and besmirched it by doing so.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:09 pmMaimondes P #16, so funny…. you can crawl out from under your bed now. FDR saved the nation.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:10 pmMy teacher likes me. He said so. I like Sen. Craig. I’ll see him in any bathroom.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:10 pmMaimondes P#17, Obama says your cute too.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:11 pmLibs have nothing to fear from the right, any more than the scary terrorists do. rightards are all hot air, mostly farts, actually, which they issue through their mouths. all their threats are made from their parents’ comuters, and are as worthless as the miserable, loser lives they try to lead (they fail at everything, except seducing the neighborhood kids).
September 10th, 2007 at 10:12 pmI’m sending your comment to the F.B.I.!!!
Comment by Maimonides P —
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
…you sound JUST like your mother…
…when she got back the paternity test…
…I’ll never pay child support for your silly a*s…
September 10th, 2007 at 10:12 pmMaimondes P
September 10th, 2007 at 10:12 pmyou must have said something they didnt like, so its back to name calling.
I didn’t even know Maimodes was Jewish. I thought he was an islamofascist.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:13 pmbig papa
September 10th, 2007 at 10:13 pmstupid
It’s never been anything but namecalling from righties. they’ve never actually done anything, just talk. look at how they let the terrorists take down the Pentagon. The pentagon! They can’t even protect the f*cking Pentagon!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:14 pmLeave poor Mr. P alone. I have something really ironic in store for him in his next life.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:14 pmThe Toilet Paper hate-site is only preaching to the choir now: all of its “articles†like this one are total acts of brainwashing and indoctrination! All the progtards on this website who still award credibility to TP’s “articles†are unmasked as the most unquestioning sheeple who refuse to think for themselves. This “article†alleges that TP has uncovered some “proof†that Petraeus was lying that the drawdown next summer will be because of progress. However, in order to gain credibility, TP has to offer sources showing they’ve effectively discredited Patreus’ assertion of progress. If the brainwashed and zombie-fied sheeple called progtards would click on the provided links and quotes from generals, NONE of the generals makes a connection between a drawdown next summer and the military being broken. So, you progressives are so unintelligent that TP’s lying through its teeth at you, yet you still patronize this site and spread hatred against patriotic Americans like Patreus!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:15 pmLeave poor Mr. P alone. I have something really ironic in store for him in his next life.
Comment by God — September 10, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
not the fire hydrant again. that was funny.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:15 pmi am an unemployed jackhammer opperator from wackama. i love drawing my check and only having to go to the store once a week. i buy milk and trojans since i saw the boys at the school.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:15 pmthat was a good perfromance by betrayus, well-rehearsed and well-scripted, sort of like harry potter, only less believable.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:16 pmMaimonedes P#18 only more stupid
September 10th, 2007 at 10:17 pmI like how the bush government cracks down on free speech. that’s a good daddy image for me to jack off to, if I could get it up.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pmThe Toilet Paper hate-site is only preaching to the choir now: all of its “articles†like this one are total acts of brainwashing and indoctrination! All the progtards on this website who still award credibility to TP’s “articles†are unmasked as the most unquestioning sheeple who refuse to think for themselves. This “article†alleges that TP has uncovered some “proof†that Petraeus was lying that the drawdown next summer will be because of progress. However, in order to gain credibility, TP has to offer sources showing they’ve effectively discredited Patreus’ assertion of progress. If the brainwashed and zombie-fied sheeple called progtards would click on the provided links and quotes from generals, NONE of the generals makes a connection between a drawdown next summer and the military being broken. So, you progressives are so unintelligent that TP’s lying through its teeth at you, yet you still patronize this site and spread hatred against patriotic Americans like Patreus!
Comment by ProgswillonlybelieveOsamabutnotPetraeus — September 10, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
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100% true!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pmP###=pretender number for the liberal stupididy
September 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pmComment by ProgswillonlybelieveOsamabutnotPetraeus — September 10, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
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100% true!!!
Comment by Maimonides P — September 10, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
that’s why i live here. I can’t afford the ciggies to burn myself with any more.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:19 pmMaimonedes P#19&20
September 10th, 2007 at 10:20 pmusually, I just talk to myself here. it’s bette than humping my little sister, she won’t stay still.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:24 pmBush supporters have severe ego issues. They really, really, really don’t want to admit being so horribly wrong about nearly everything in the last six years.
Bush lied about Iraq and 911!! I CANNOT believe some very few people STILL do not realize this! Incredible! Guess what else?! No WMDS in Iraq! Guess what else? No flowering democracy in Iraq! Blown up buildings, roads, and people though.
America can’t afford to have incompetence like this in the executive branch anymore. Repeatedly, this administration has been proven wrong and have failed miserably at most ambitious goals they try to achieve. They don’t understand basic geography and Middle Eastern history. None of the neocon nerds ever went to Vietnam, neither did Bush or Cheney. They don’t understand war.
We have a “war president” who doesn’t understand the subject in anyway other than a child who watches Rambo.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:24 pmMaimonedes P#21
September 10th, 2007 at 10:25 pmYeah, im a sanatation worker, and have no idea what im talking about.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:26 pmFINALLY!
…my very own name jacking trolls…
…”Top-’o th’ world Ma!”
September 10th, 2007 at 10:27 pmGeneral Westmoreland testified in 1967 that the US was winning in Vietnam. By 1975 our forces had completely evacuated, and the Vietcong were in power.
Neither generals nor politicians are truthful, angelic saviors.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:28 pmThey are people.
i still have nothing to say
September 10th, 2007 at 10:29 pmanother erik with a k! it’s sanitation.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:29 pmIs anyone here paying any attention to tower guard vigil of Evan Michael Knappenberge, 1st BDE, 4th Infantry Division?
http://towerguard.org/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=Evan%20Knappenberger&
September 10th, 2007 at 10:30 pmyeah that was 75 that was what 40+ years ago, and i was a stupid embrio, but i remember because my welfare mom told me. i think we should leave this country, where would they be without us?
September 10th, 2007 at 10:31 pmThey kicked me out, unfit.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:38 pm2007-1975=32
September 10th, 2007 at 10:52 pmDoesn’t make any sense to me that Petraeus would offer to reduce the number of troops. WHY??? If more do a better job, why reduce the numbers? This is some ploy for Bush to keep us in Iraq by the numbers. Anything but bringing the troops home is a continuation of the mess in Iraq, which we can NOT contain, win or end.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:53 pmOh well, life in the big slum, makes you that way.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:54 pmIm a genus, I won the war in korea.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:55 pmman some people are losers! they take your screenname and comment. anyway, since i have a life i’m going to go. and have wild sex! have fun blogging Erik.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:00 pmI met the guy today at the public restroom in mid city.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:03 pmWhen the bipartisan Iraq study Group reported their findings in December 2006, the American people assumed their recomendations (Military victory is not possible, political and diplomatic means must be used) would be implemented. Instead, in December 2006 Bush announced there would be a “surge”.
But the American people were never told that this “surge” would be an increase of over 30,000 troops lasting at least until AUGUST 2008! If we had been told the truth we never would have gone along with it. That is why we were not told the truth.
This is taking our military and our budget to the breaking point—-and it does nothing to solve the political or diplomatic problems. It will not make the situation in Iraq any better. It will cause Iraq to deteriorate.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:04 pmhey tp – nobody screening the trolls?
September 10th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI want to be stupid, let me rant.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:14 pmDuh, sorry, im stupid
September 10th, 2007 at 11:15 pmipod,
I don’t know if they need screening or day care.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:15 pmyeah day care, i like kids.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:16 pmWhoever hijacked me at #294 gives a new meaning to the term “stoopid”.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:16 pmyeah, im stoopid
September 10th, 2007 at 11:17 pmrestroom, expect an old man with disabilities, parts still work.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:21 pmnamejacker in 299 has me confused with conservative senators, congressmen, aides, spokesmen, press, committee chairmen, etc.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:38 pmWould like to me young “hung” man with outstanding capabilites
September 10th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWow keith, starting to wonder?
September 10th, 2007 at 11:47 pm#300 keith – that namejacker would be mr p – he’s doing it to everyone…..and he’s f**king annoying!!!
September 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmMy name is Megan, im 15, I live in Meggs county in Tennessee. My Dad is an officer in the Army and I’m very proud of him.
September 10th, 2007 at 11:59 pmIf you dont want to live here and have no alternative, go away. sorry, I really have a problem with what your saying, you have no alternative
would love to see one.
Thank your dad for me
September 11th, 2007 at 12:20 amEnlist name jacker….you coward.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:25 amMegan. What does wanting to bring your father home have to do with wanting to live in your county? I wouldn’t live in Meggs county no matter if your father is in Iraq or not. Being an American has nothing to do with supporting moron chimpanzee prezdents.
Genera Betrayus refused to be sworn in today.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:28 amWe started with 100,000-120,000 American troops.
We trained 350,000 Iraqi troops.
We pay 120,000+ mercenaries. (not with the original US forces)
We have added at least 20,000 American troops.
That is a ’surge’ of at least, 490,000 new troops.
The total number, fighting for the Iraqi government…appx. 610,000 with 28,000+ more planned, making a total of 638,000.
By all accounts, Iraq is worse off than ever.
How is a 28,000 troop ’surge’ going to fix it?
It’s like the business man talking to his accountant. The accountant tells him, ‘The product costs us $2 to produce, and we are selling it for $1, something has to be done.” The owner replies, “What we need, is more volume.”
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The first 3 months of 2007 have been the blodiest since 2004.
2004……1.30 average deaths for first 3 months.
2005……2.16 ” ”
2006…….1.73
2007……..2.80
Wounded unable to return to action within 3 days 2007:
January…..151
Febuary…..193
March……..306
March was first month of the ’surge’.
I wrote this 4/4/07
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Please tell us what is working about this surge?
More and more officers are coming out saying, IT IS NOT WORKING!!! Those are not liberals or Democrats, most are life long conservative Repubs.
70% of Iraqis want us out, the majority of the Iraqi Parliment want us out, 70% of our troops want us out, almost 70% of the American people want us out.
Now, as for sucess. More troops dying than any months since nov. 204. 127 last month, 20 confirmed and 12 uncomfirmed already for this month.
Almost 2000 Iraqis last month. 276 already this month. Turkey is ready to invade Kirkuk, in N. Iraq. One provence has tripled in attacks and it’s commander is asking for more troops. Bagdad is out of control in 3/4 ths of it’s city. The ‘green zone’ is being attacked so many times that the people have to wear vests and helmets all of the time, the parliment was hit last week, 1 1/2 million are homeless in Iraq, 2 million are refugees and 1-3/4 million are dead. They still don’t have sewer, electricity, potable water, adequate medical aid or decent infrastructure.
Torture and death squads continue.
However, good news!! The largest, most expensive and most fortified embassy in the world will be complete Sept 2007, in bagdad, complete with swimming pools, electricity, water supply, sewer system, tennis , volleyball, and basketball courts, 16,000square foot embassador’s quarters, 9,000 sq ft aide’s quarters, and it’s the USA’s. Can you imagine how happy that makes all of those Iraqis?
So wake up, stop believing people that are putting out propaganda to keep the war going or people that have never been out to Falujah or unescorted in Baghdad.
It doesn’t take a mental giant to figure it out…..they lied then…they are lying now. They need that carbon law that gives 80% of the Iraqi oil to the US oil corps.
I wrote this 6/05/07
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HOW CAN THE ‘SURGE’ BE WORKING?
This is a list of only US deaths in Iraq. As you can see, it doesn’t add up to the reduction of US deaths that is being touted by the leaders and their media.
March April May June July
07 81 104 126 101 81
06 31 76 69 61 43
05 35 52 80 78 54
04 52 135 80 42 54
03 65 74 37 30 48
Another thing that jumped out at me is this:
Wounded and medical evacuations As reported by the DoD as of 6/30/2007
Wounded – Medical Air Transport Required 5,798 150 1,931 70 —7,949
Diseases/Other Medical – Medical Air Transport Required 17,532 620 1,302 911—– 20,365
17,532 is Army. On ground in Iraq. The next highest is the marines with 1,302.
Why are there so many disease air evacs?
Why mostly on ground, in Iraq, troops?
Water borne disease? Food poisoning? Depleted uranium? Vaccinations?
I wrote this 08/02/07
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Now they come to congress and lie some more.
Less violence, less US troop deaths, less Iraqi deaths and yet here are the stats, thanks to http://icasualties.org/oif/.
US Deaths By Month:
Year Jan..Feb. Mar… Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2003 0.. 0….. 65 ….74.. 37…30…48…35.. 31…44..82..40
2004 47/.. 20/ 52/ 135/ 80/ 42/ 54/ 66/ 80/ 64/ 137/ 72
2005 107/ 58/ 35/ 52/ 80/ 78/ 54/ 85/ 49/ 96/ 84/ 68
2006 62/ 55 /31/ 76 /69/ 61/ 43 /65 /72 /106/ 70/ 112
2007 8/ 81 /81 /104/126/101/ /79 /84/ 32 /0 /0 /0
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US Casualties By Calendar Year
Year US Deaths US Wounded
2003/ 486………. 2408
2004/ 849……… 8002
2005/ 846 ………5948
2006/ 822……….6398
2007/ 771……….4430
Total/ 3774 …….27186
Realizing that there are still 3 1/2 months are left in 07….Please show me where this surge is working.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:29 am28% think the surge is working…go figure…could that be the same group that thinks the chimp is doing a good job? I wonder.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:31 amkasinca
September 11th, 2007 at 12:32 amsorry your such a stupid person, i wish you would go to iraq and walk the same streets my dad does, but wait, you so scared, you wont leave your house. My dad is a good guy and his troops are good people.
Sorry Megan. I am old enough to be your father’s dad. I walked the jungles of Vietnam in 1967-68 and nobody can tell me where to live or what I should believe in. You need to drop our of your home school. Your father needs to come home.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:34 amDuh, im so stupid…..
September 11th, 2007 at 12:35 amkasinca
September 11th, 2007 at 12:37 amMegan. Tell your dad that you know a mr Pee brain that wants to be a soldier. He can find him on this board every day all day long because he has no life.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:38 amkasinca, my mom says to ask you a question, who were you with in vn and what was your mos?, i dont know what that means but shes’s pissed
September 11th, 2007 at 12:39 amMegan,
That is what asswipe cowards who have never served asked. That is too much information to give a troll who is too much of a coward to serve themselves. Go enlist little pretender.
http://www.goarmy.com
September 11th, 2007 at 12:40 amhttp://www.usmc.mil
kasinca
September 11th, 2007 at 12:41 amthats what mom said, you never served, you coward.
Megan, real military families say thank you for your service…pretending trolls ask for proof and then all you cowards. Trolls cannot relate to anyone who has really served…they just put yellow stickers on their cars anda brag about supporting the troops.
Mr. P is acting like Megan now.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:46 amkasinca
September 11th, 2007 at 12:48 amok, lets see, unit, location, and , ill ask that later, mom is asking the questions, but ill let you know its about the americal div
WAR CRIMINAL and MURDERER Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the
United States of America
May he BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY FOR HIS EVIL DEEDS.
And all that support this TREASONOUS scum…
September 11th, 2007 at 12:52 amfrady frady cat
September 11th, 2007 at 12:52 amyou talkin about clinton?
September 11th, 2007 at 12:53 amMom says she’ll give you a hint, chu lai (sic) and not callie?
September 11th, 2007 at 12:54 amim a cunt
September 11th, 2007 at 12:56 amI’m talking about the ONE AND ONLY
George DUHBya Bush, STATUTORY RAPIST and ABORTIONIST (she was 15, he was 25–Google “robin lowman george bush”),
and WAR CRIMINAL coxucker PUNK TRAITOR to the USA.
70 YEARS of Bush TREASON.
Bush is a Saudi OIL WHOREBAG, sukking the dix of Saudi TERRORIST financiers of Al Queda.
Bush deserves to be in Gitmo until he drops dead.
And goes to hell with his MASTER SATAN, where he belongs.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:56 amand im a cunt
September 11th, 2007 at 12:57 amTRAITOR Bush sux Osama.
While Bush gets it in the butt from “Jeff Gannon”.
TRAITOR and HOMO Bush the WAR CRIMINAL coxucker PUNK.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
September 11th, 2007 at 1:00 amBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
im such a cunt
September 11th, 2007 at 1:02 amkasinca
September 11th, 2007 at 1:03 amgo to the web site, i dont care, moms got the question, i dont, she says you are so stupid you dont have a clue
im another qeer, but i dont care
September 11th, 2007 at 1:07 amTRAITOR Bush will BURN for ETERNITY.
SIZZLE!
SINGE!
TOAST!
FRY!!
And his MASTER SATAN will break his FACE every MINUTE for ETERNITY!!
G’night fake NRA Gunnutes!!!
You must be a REAL NRA Gun Nut!!!!
http://www.gunguys.com
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
September 11th, 2007 at 1:08 amim another qeer, but i dont care
Comment by NRA Gunnutes — September 11, 2007
Really??
So were TRAITORS Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush!!!
September 11th, 2007 at 1:09 amCrying, crying…… bs
September 11th, 2007 at 1:10 amim another qeer, but i dont care
Comment by Another Nazi azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush — September 11, 2007
Really??
So were TRAITORS Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush!!!
Comment by NRA Gunnutes
September 11th, 2007 at 1:14 amOk, past my bedtime, sorry, so many fools here. gnight
September 11th, 2007 at 1:15 am#319
Comment by kasinca — September 11, 2007 @ 12:46 am
“…they just put yellow stickers on their cars anda brag about supporting the troops.”
I guess that better the you lying about serving in Vietnam.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:32 amGood night, Megan.
GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!
and all the BRAVE MEN and WOMEN fighting for FREEDOM in IRAQ!!!
Comment by Habalaarz!!!
And fkuc TRAITOR Bush the WAR CRIMINAL coxucker PUNK TRAITOR.
The soldiers are NOT fighting for our “freedom” there.
They are political pawns for the OIL INTERESTS.
I don’t blame THEM for being sent there.
I blame TRAITORS like Bush who LIED to send them there.
And Osama is STILL FREE 6 years after 9/11.
Fkuc YOU, TRAITOR Bush!!
September 11th, 2007 at 1:32 amGeneral BETRAY(the)US!!
http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus.html
September 11th, 2007 at 1:42 amGen. Petraeus to make his presentation, Skelton forgot to ask him to take the customary oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:36 amI call the attention of TP moderators and especially the Most Local, Vocal Troll Of All to the following policy of George Mason University regarding Internet usage. Note particularly, under “V. Other Informationâ€:
Rule 1 – Forbidden activity includes “intentionally denying or interfering with any network resources, including spamming, jamming and crashing any computer…[or] using the technology to in any way misrepresent or impersonate someone else…â€
Rule 5 – Do not use GMU computing resources to “attack computers, accounts or other users by launching viruses, worms, trojan horses or other attacks [my emphasis] on computers here or elsewhere†or “to harass or threaten others.â€
One would recommend “Habalaarz!!!†and its other multiple identities rethink its hobbies and its (likely to be abridged) academic career.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:57 amJake, your “facts” are total crap, with no cites.
Zaquiri and Saddam had no links, period. Z was hiding out in a part of Iraq not controlled by Saddam. In fact, Zaquiri wasnt even part of Al-Queda before the war. So you linkage there is zero. Please cite SOMETHING that shows a connection. If its one of your right wing n@zi blogs, please make sure the blog contains links to some neutral cites.
As for giving money to families of palestinian suicide bombers, you forgot to mention he did this for the ones whose families had thier houses destroyed by the israelis as a form of collective punishment deemed illegal by international law.
Oh.. and by the way, your hero’s buddies the Saudis have FUNDRAISER TELETHONS for Hamas, with the full blessing of thier government, should we bomb saudi arabi too?
Besides, why are we going to war to deal with Israel’s problems? They arent tough enough to handle thier own? You’re saying we should expend our blood and treasure so a country that..does.. what exactly for us? Abu Nibal.. same thing.. not our problem. And oh yes, lets not forget the Achille Lauro, where ONE WHOLE AMERICAN was killed. Should we bomb every country to shelters anyone who kill one american? (please say yes, then I’ll make you a list of countries we need to bomb.. some of them may surprise you)
So I guess your hero reagan was a real putz for not invading lebanon after they killed almost 300 americans, right?
THe only other thing you mentioned was this “sheltering of a world trade center bomber” thing. I have never heard anything about that, Id love to see a cite somewhere showing its more than a right wing distortion or pure myth, like the leg Zaquiri supposedly had amputated in Baghdad.. funny, when they killed him, seemed like he had both his legs to me..
September 11th, 2007 at 6:56 amThis is not an issue of wanting to live here or not. The issue is about wanting our country to stop misusing and abusing our military. It is about returning the US to the great country it was destined to be – a LEADER, NOT and AGGRESSOR.
If you are really who you say you are, just listen to the reasons and see if any of them really make sense. See if any of them have facts, figures, or make logical sense. EVERY argument you will here will be a prediction of disaster and apocalypse that are in conflict with ALL the intelligence collected by ALL 16 intelligence agencies. The arguments are solely based on hypotheticals for a reason — they want to scare people to support something that doesn’t make sense.
I appreciate the service your dad is doing. Your mother might want to look into the reasons you and your family are being asked to sacrifice but the rest of the country has not asked to give up one drop of sweat. I am extremely invested in this. I fought in Iraq. I buried friends and have friends going back for their 3rd and 4th times. If you want proof, go to the link on my name. If you need further proof, feel free to email me – info on that site.
I don’t mean offense, but your post seems suspect due to the language and deliberate attempt to sound younger; however, if you are honest, then I would hope you objectively look at the facts and join us in trying to bring your father home!
Peace!
September 11th, 2007 at 9:09 amColin Powell needs to speak up so we can hear the truths and stop these lieing neocons.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:41 am.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/the_petraeus_insult.html
Regards.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:17 am.
MARKOS of DailyKos fame on Hardball last night. Talks about Petraeus report, MoveOn ad.
Video
September 11th, 2007 at 12:06 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=9bab2a38-30dd-480a-bc49-b11959c6107b
Why do so many people who post on the internet, including on this site, feel compelled to label and engage in name-calling? I prefer strong, solid arguments based on facts, and I abhor name-calling.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI have no idea why people are rehashing the same old arguments about our presents in Iraq or Afganistan. I didn’t agree with the invasions before they happened, while they were happening nor do I agree today. I wasn’t in the streets waving my flag then nor I am I now. Those thoughts have no bearing. What does have a bearing is the question of what will happen to the Sunni and Kurdish minorities should the troops be withdrawn. Trust that the Shi’a have not forgotten their oppressors. It will be the women and the children who will suffer the most. Genocide will follow. Bank on it. I find that the majority of people I talk to about this issue haven’t the slightest clue of what it is I’m talking about. Our troops in the field do. That’s why they do what they do. And, they do it freely.Stop to consider that the original enlistments of those who participated in the invasions have expired. They are now volunteers to the conflict. They are re-enlistments, retreads, and FNGs who said I’ll go and I’ll go again. They put themselves in harms way to protect the weak and their comrades in arms. To argue to withdraw them is to dishonor them. Those who advocate that path deny that our young men and women have no right to decide their fate nor the intelligence to do so. Those who advocate abandonment advocate GENOCIDE.Pity the reasons for going but pity more the reasons for staying.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:29 am