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The chart Petraeus won’t show.

By Faiz Shakir on Sep 10th, 2007 at 12:00 am

The chart Petraeus won’t show.

The AP reveals that a “briefing chart prepared by the Defense Intelligence Agency says what Gen. David Petraeus won’t. Insurgent attacks against Iraqi civilians, their security forces and U.S. troops remain high.” Most of the insurgent attacks in Iraq continue to be focused on U.S. forces, as the chart shows:

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UPDATE: Petraeus will reportedly say he wants another six months.




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256 Responses to “The chart Petraeus won’t show.”

  1. EasyRider Says:

    chart is bullshit!


  2. Marie Says:

    The idea is to kick this down the road into 2009 - everyone knows that.
    The military doesn't even count all the dead -- bullets in the back of the head are counted; in the front of the head are not.
    Even the simultaneous bombing last month that killed hundreds wasn't counted.
    They are making their own statistics show what they want them to show.
    Bush can't get out of Iraq; Bush won't admit he is a failure; so everyone has to lie because they won't offend the petulant boy-king.


  3. Habalaarz Says:

    This just means that the surge has been protecting Iraqi civilians!

    More proof that the current strategy is a success!!!


  4. Trajan Says:

    We need more troops and more time for victory, not charts and good will. Morality is for the weak. We nedd to be more like the terrorists to win this epic crusade.


  5. bilbogaggins Says:

    chart is bullshit!
    Comment by EasyRider

    The chart is bullshit because it doesn't say what you want to hear. Too bad your mind is so closed. When you are shown facts, verifiable facts, you would rather believe the propaganda (not verifiable) than the truth. You are a very sad human being.


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  7. Habalaarz Says:

    I guess the libs realize that this chart doesn't mean shit, that's why they are spaming the thread!


  8. ipod Says:

    Petraeus will reportedly say he wants another six months.

    reportedly??!!?? - he will most definately say that - we all shouldn't be surprised when he says 'stay the course' - it's a slam dunk!! - since when have they moved in any other direction on this mess


  9. scooter Says:

    If PETRAEUS report is that the surge is not working and we should get out NOW,,, will LIBTARD land suddenly sing his praises and tell everyone,,, "he was the ONE CONGRESS sent to give recommendations and thus should be followed"?


  10. AngryOne Says:

    For the latest Iraq war news, reports, statistics and key documents, including the GAO, Jones, and updated NIE reports, visit:
    "The Iraq Document Center."


  11. scooter Says:

    If you are so convinced that the mission in IRAQ is a failure then why don't you just VOTE down the FUNDING?

    It appears that the DEMS in congress don't view it as you do.... (although they talk that way when you are listening)

    Thier VOTES to fund the mission is HOW they FEEL about it... suckers


  12. AntiFed1791 Says:

    JUST COME HOME!


  13. www.headybrew.net Says:

    I can't believe we're still calling them "insurgents". This is a republican spin word form the very start. If they are insurgents, then where are they insurging from? Wait a minute, maybe they're actually 98% Iraqi citizens. Yup, that's the truth. 98% of them are Iraqi citizens, and they're focusing their attacks on American troops. Hmmm.... sounds like we are the ones doing the insurging.


  14. Jake D. Says:

    SIX MONTHS!!!


  15. Habalaarz Says:

    #14 shouldn't even be dignified with a response.


  16. scooter Says:

    I can’t believe we’re still calling them “insurgents”. This is a republican spin word form the very start. If they are insurgents, then where are they insurging from? Wait a minute, maybe they’re actually 98% Iraqi citizens. Yup, that’s the truth. 98% of them are Iraqi citizens, and they’re focusing their attacks on American troops. Hmmm…. sounds like we are the ones doing the insurging.

    Comment by http://www.headybrew.net

    Your right they are FREEDOM FIGHTERS, even though they kill many more of thier own citizens (most who don't even work with the US) they are not TERRORISTS or INSURGENTS..

    They are the builders of a NEW nation... just like the AYATOLLAH in IRAN. Unfortunatly BUSH is not as smart as CARTER was when he let the SHAH fall and a legit GOVT. of FANATICS take over.

    We need to get out of IRAQ NOW so these NEW FREEDOM fighters can set up thier country in IRANS example.


  17. Scoter Heart Osama Says:

    This pretty mush shows what I thought, Osama wants the troops to stay, not leave.
    ~~~~~~~~~

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 12:43 am
    I think I hear mrp calling you from the bathroom stall.


  18. Scootersmom Says:

    Hey Scooter, how 'bout because your idiot president vetoed it, and your idiot representatives threatened fillibuster. Idiot. It's ok, they won't be able to play that card starting 01/09.


  19. anon Says:

    #

    chart is bullshit!

    Comment by EasyRider — September 10, 2007 @ 12:06 am

    The DIA, source of the chart, is part of the military, not a liberal think tank. Apparently you can call bullshit, but feel no need to explain yourself.


  20. Scoter Parody? Says:

    We need to get out of IRAQ NOW so these NEW FREEDOM fighters can set up thier country in IRANS example.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007

    What? Surely this is a scooter parody? Right?


  21. scootersmom Says:

    You're right Scooter. Osama DOES want us to stay. So he can bleed us like we trained him to do to the Soviets. Too bad we went nuke hunting in Iraq instead of catching him.


  22. scooter Says:

    OSAMA,,,, your still alive ehhhh?
    Don't lie,,,, we know you want them gone. (thats why your pulling for HILLARY and giveing her money through INTERMEDIARIES)

    Do you want the troops to leave just IRAQ or also AFGHANISTAN? How about KUWAIT? or JAPAN?

    Do tell


  23. scooter Says:

    Hey Scooter, how ’bout because your idiot president vetoed it, and your idiot representatives threatened fillibuster. Idiot. It’s ok, they won’t be able to play that card starting 01/09.

    Comment by Scootersmom

    Apparently all that is needed for DEMS to give in,,, is to threaten a fillibuster.

    Wow why did'nt you tell the REPUBLICANS sooner,,, we could have gotten so much more done.


  24. Jake D. Says:

    Keep up the good work, scooter : )


  25. Master P Says:

    Notice how the libs can't answer any of scooter's questions!!!


  26. scooter Says:

    You’re right Scooter. Osama DOES want us to stay. So he can bleed us like we trained him to do to the Soviets. Too bad we went nuke hunting in Iraq instead of catching him.

    Comment by scootersmom

    Silly BUSH,,, hunting NUKES in IRAQ and OSAMA in AFGHANISTAN,,,,,

    Why can't he just do nothing like BILL? Does'nt he understand that to give PEACE a chance means you just GRIN and take the BOMBINGS with a SMILE?

    BUSH could sure learn from the MASTER after all the EMBASSY bombings,,,, BILL was the BEST.


  27. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:09 am

    Now, you are on ignore, Luntzian emotional irrational projectionist.

    Neurscience proves Scooters dont think.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,5982337.story?coll=la-home-center


  28. Rapture Says:

    All republicans take their marching orders from Bin Laden.What a bunch of cowards every single on of them are. As for the trolls here..pillow biting cowards as well,behind a keypad instead of fighting this war they supposedly believe in. Join up ya sissy whiners and then maybe davy betray-us will give your wife a poke when you come home without legs or a face.


  29. scootersmom Says:

    I take it you wouldn't mind if China set up a few "strategically placed" military bases across the US? You're a true patriot Scooter.


  30. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 1:15 am

    scooter is on ignore for being a projectionist irrational Luntz, just like you are.


  31. scooter Says:

    I think that BILLS ability to IGNORE the bombings coming from OSAMA was directly correlated to his relationship with HILLARY.

    She is cold and FRIGID,,, forcing our former PRES into the arms of a FAT intern.

    You see he could no longer IGNORE his FEELINGS and NEEDS and used them all up in the OVAL OFFICE with MONICA... How could ANYBODY deal with the BOMBINGS of our embassies with this going on.

    I blame HILLARY,,,


  32. scooter Says:

    All republicans take their marching orders from Bin Laden.What a bunch of cowards every single on of them are. As for the trolls here..pillow biting cowards as well,behind a keypad instead of fighting this war they supposedly believe in. Join up ya sissy whiners and then maybe davy betray-us will give your wife a poke when you come home without legs or a face.

    Comment by Rapture

    Will you now sign up to go to AFGHANISTAN?


  33. Vesica Piscium Says:

    "This is about the best he [Osama] can do. This is a man on the run from a cave who is virtually impotent other than these tapes." -Francis Townsend Bush Homeland Security Advisor.

    Impotent Osama. You can crawl out from the basement know my submissive lemmings. Osama wants the troops to stay, and also so he can harm our economy. Dont listen to what homocidal madmen say, even though he is your daddy scooter, he molested you once remember?. =)


  34. Osama Bin Laden (R-scooterville) Says:

    There is no better friend to jihadists and terrorists that George Bush, and his father as well. These guys made me possible! How can you not love them! Without the Bush family, Auschwitz wouldn't have been built! These guys are the best. We thank them, and Allah thanks them. We also are grateful for the ignorance of the scooter person that visits here, because without that kind of nonsensical, lopsided worship of our friend Bush, we would have to deal with a liberal administration, and it would be the end of us. Imagine, we would be marginalized and declawed of Al Gore were in the Shite House. Thanks be to scooter, and Allah!


  35. scooter Says:

    I take it you wouldn’t mind if China set up a few “strategically placed” military bases across the US? You’re a true patriot Scooter.

    Comment by scootersmom

    Only if they set up some more cool factories,,, so I can buy my next bike for $10 instead of $30 for shipping charges.

    Like the DEMS i'm a sucker for a really cheap bicycle.

    As to the MILITARY bases,,,, I'm all for it as soon as they can ELECT thier leaders like the REST of us....
    (you don't fear BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN bases do you?)


  36. Vesica Piscium Says:

    In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and terrorism.

    Actually I think Bill was thwarted by (R)Luntzian Lunatics


  37. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Hey scooters mom, don't let him buy a chinese bicycle, he will just get sick from eatcing the peeling lead paint.

    But he would propably like the fact they come with a pole and no seat.

    Maybe Mark Foley wil go biking with him.


  38. Rapture Says:

    Sorry Scooty,unlike you I would never follow a single suggestion much less an order from the alcoholic retard we have as prez right now.
    I would however have no problem pulling the trigger on your ilk should civil war ever begin in this country. Now run along and get yourself a juice box and a cookie.


  39. scooter Says:

    Imagine, we would be marginalized and declawed of Al Gore were in the Shite House. Thanks be to scooter, and Allah!

    Comment by Osama Bin Laden

    I think your right about AL GORE,,,, he'd come down with a real HAMMER on you GUYS for the pollution and GLOBAL WARMING you commit. (you know the real dangerous stuff)

    On the other hand OSAMA,,, if you just tell AL you won't FART anymore and send him a NICE CHECK then all is well.
    PEACE IN OUR TIME KUMBAYAAA....LALALALA


  40. ipod Says:

    BUSH could sure learn from the MASTER after all the EMBASSY bombings,,,, BILL was the BEST.

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:15 am

    actually he DID learn and pretty good too - remember the briefings that were given to geogie boy that he didn't read? - and then,on his watch 4 planes got hijacked by a bunch of arabs with box cutters and 3000 people died - oh and sitting on his ass doing nothing after being told the country was under attack....so scoot,in a sense he was better at doing nothing than bill was


  41. scooter Says:

    Sorry Scooty,unlike you I would never follow a single suggestion much less an order from the alcoholic retard we have as prez right now.
    I would however have no problem pulling the trigger on your ilk should civil war ever begin in this country. Now run along and get yourself a juice box and a cookie.

    Comment by Rapture

    Now that is some STUFF yeah....

    Calm down RAPTURE,,,, you might not want to do that CIVIL WAR stuff as the MILITARY/NRA/COUNTRY DUDES overwhelmingly votes REPUBLICAN....

    It's generally not considered a SMART thing to go to WAR with PACIFISTS on your side. (can they refuse to join YOUR war on CONSCIENTIOS objections?)


  42. Frank J. Says:

    so scoot,in a sense he was better at doing nothing than bill was

    Comment by ipod — September 10, 2007 @ 1:35 am

    In a sense? He's hasn't done jack-shit since 1/20/01. funny, he makes Reagan look smart and industrious, two things Reagan definitely wasn't. let scooter rewrite history with his lies and envy; nobody believes a single word he says except pee, and we know what meth has done to pee. paying attention to scooter except to piss on him is really a waste of time.


  43. scooter Says:

    actually he DID learn and pretty good too - remember the briefings that were given to geogie boy that he didn’t read? - and then,on his watch 4 planes got hijacked by a bunch of arabs with box cutters and 3000 people died - oh and sitting on his ass doing nothing after being told the country was under attack….so scoot,in a sense he was better at doing nothing than bill was

    Comment by ipod

    These were not the same BRIEFINGS that TOLD bush to NOT do anything after the EMBASSY bombings were they?
    Your right about BUSH not following the BRIEFINGS.


  44. p Says:

    It’s generally not considered a SMART thing to go to WAR with PACIFISTS on your side. (can they refuse to join YOUR war on CONSCIENTIOS objections?)

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:39 am

    pacifists would kick the shit out of the pussy chickenhawk brigade. NRA? more bigmouthed cowards. shooting at paper isn't quite the same. don't forget, the south lost big, and the rightwing chickenhawks have the same idiot mentality that got the south creamed.


  45. dave from queens Says:

    FActs do have a well known liberal bias.

    Compared to 2006, Iraq has more lawlessness, more US troops dieing, less security, and less infrastructure.

    But despite what the facts say, Petraeus will lie his ass off. There are few people in America who are more anti-troop and anti-military than David Petraeus.


  46. DanInTX Says:

    scooter, your capitalization confuses me, but I'm new here, so I guess it must not be weird to the rest of y'all.
    also, "(you don't fear BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN bases do you?)" is undercut if you look up a line or two to the quote. The word used is "mind" not "fear". And I can say pretty certainly that any American citizen would "mind" any kind of permanent foreign military bases on our sovereign soil, which is what I imagine scootersmom was trying to get at...


  47. michael Says:

    These were not the same BRIEFINGS that TOLD bush to NOT do anything after the EMBASSY bombings were they?
    Your right about BUSH not following the BRIEFINGS.

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:42 am

    of course, it was republicans who refused to do anything after the embassy bombings, because they were too busy peeking in bill's window, jealous as usual.


  48. scooter Says:

    In a sense? He’s hasn’t done jack-shit since 1/20/01. funny, he makes Reagan look smart and industrious, two things Reagan definitely wasn’t. let scooter rewrite history with his lies and envy; nobody believes a single word he says except pee, and we know what meth has done to pee. paying attention to scooter except to piss on him is really a waste of time.

    Comment by Frank J

    RON, is that you buddy...?
    C'mon man,,,, don't hide like that. Don't you know your little hiding example is keeping BARNEY FRANK locked up in the BATHROOM in CONGRESS?
    (he apparently told CRAIG the secrets of the HOOK UP)


  49. Rapture Says:

    #45.....Took the words right out of my mouth. The south once again would have their asses handed to them.


  50. barney frank Says:

    (he apparently told CRAIG the secrets of the HOOK UP)

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    and craig aparently told you. was it before or after the shoe-tapping you perverts signal each other with?


  51. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RON, is that you buddy…?
    C’mon man,,,, don’t hide like that. Don’t you know your little hiding example is keeping BARNEY FRANK locked up in the BATHROOM in CONGRESS?
    (he apparently told CRAIG the secrets of the HOOK UP)
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    Oh Scooter, you GOP CONTurds don't need help finding the dirty secret sex opportunities - it's your SPECIALTY!!!! See unlike you Frank doesn't need to do the DOWN LOW - that's a GOP SPECIALTY!! Right Old Man ;)


  52. barney frank Says:

    Larry CRAIG told me scooter LIKES to be PISSED ON. he tries to CATCH it in his MOUTH,,,,,


  53. scooter Says:

    scooter, your capitalization confuses me, but I’m new here, so I guess it must not be weird to the rest of y’all.
    also, “(you don’t fear BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN bases do you?)” is undercut if you look up a line or two to the quote. The word used is “mind” not “fear”. And I can say pretty certainly that any American citizen would “mind” any kind of permanent foreign military bases on our sovereign soil, which is what I imagine scootersmom was trying to get at…

    Comment by DanInTX

    Sorry you don't like the CAPS,,,,
    Sorry about the MIND and FEAR,,,, i assumed for the example it did not matter.

    As to the BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN,,,, the example is PERTINENT as WE HAVE BASES THERE!
    And many other places that the locals don't fear us and we don't fear them. (they actually view us as helping,,, can you believe it)

    But hey man,,,,,,, lets get them all HOME NOW right.


  54. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    I think your right about AL GORE,,,, he’d come down with a real HAMMER on you GUYS for the pollution and GLOBAL WARMING you commit. (you know the real dangerous stuff) Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:35 am

    At least he wouldn't have been Stupid enough to ATTACK THE WRONG COUNTRY and say OSAMA shouldn't be BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!!

    On the other hand OSAMA,,, if you just tell AL you won’t FART anymore and send him a NICE CHECK then all is well.
    PEACE IN OUR TIME KUMBAYAAA….LALALALA
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:35 am

    Blah, Blah, Blah, that's what your dumbass redneck post says. Put it in ENGLISH next time AMIGO!


  55. ted nugent. Says:

    I can't figure out how scooter can defend the military/nra/country morons that vote Republican. thet're certainly too stupid to be afraid of, just by the fact that they are poor white trash, and still vote republican. that kind of stupidity is reserved for losers, like cooter.

    oops. scooter.


  56. scootersmom Says:

    I won't let Foley play with Scooter anymore, too many police reports to file. However, Larry Craig is a family man, the type of moral upstanding character that Republics like myself wouldn't mind having around to mentor my 10 year old son. And I hear he's got some free time on his hands now. No, wait, not time, Scooters ass.


  57. scooter Says:

    #45…..Took the words right out of my mouth. The south once again would have their asses handed to them.

    Comment by Rapture

    So conservatives are like the south? HMMMMM
    How about any area that is not a CITY....?
    Or did you not see the RED covering the NATION for the BUSH/KERRY election.

    You better rephrase that,,,
    not the south but EVERYWHERE a major CITY is NOT.


  58. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Sorry you don’t like the CAPS,,,,
    Sorry about the MIND and FEAR,,,, i assumed for the example it did not matter. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:51 am

    Your grammar is like a drunk third grader! Get an education AMIGO!

    As to the BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN,,,, the example is PERTINENT as WE HAVE BASES THERE!
    And many other places that the locals don’t fear us and we don’t fear them. (they actually view us as helping,,, can you believe it) Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:51 am

    Except Japan, where we tend to rape their school girls, and Italy where we kill citizens while destroying the ski lifts, and Germany where they fear our nuclear presence. Oh wait, that destroys your myth! Dumbass!

    But hey man,,,,,,, lets get them all HOME NOW right.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:51 am

    Hey, that's fine! But in those other countries at least the locals don't COMPLETELY HATE OUR GUTS because we're BOMBING AND KILLING THEIR CHILDREN! Right sport..,,,,,,,,

    Learn to type like an ADULT, not a PSYCHOTIC ASSCLOWN!!!


  59. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    So conservatives are like the south? HMMMMMComment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:54 am

    The south is disproportionately Conservative, and Conservatives are disproportionately inbred...

    How about any area that is not a CITY….?
    Or did you not see the RED covering the NATION for the BUSH/KERRY election. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:54 am

    You should REVISIT those maps, dumbass. The SOUTH is all you've got!

    You better rephrase that,,,
    not the south but EVERYWHERE a major CITY is NOT.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:54 am

    Oh, poor dumbass, that's JUST NOT TRUE! However your base is disproportionately rural, redneck, ignorant and barely literate - MUCH LIKE YOURSELF!


  60. Benedict Arnold Says:

    I take it you wouldn’t mind if China set up a few “strategically placed” military bases across the US? You’re a true patriot Scooter.

    As to the MILITARY bases,,,, I’m all for it as soon as they can ELECT thier leaders like the REST of us….
    (you don’t fear BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN bases do you?)

    here you go, folks, scooter wants chinese, british canadian and german bases in the USA. I love him!


  61. brainiac Says:

    You better rephrase that,,,
    not the south but EVERYWHERE a major CITY is NOT.

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:54 am

    not any more, stupid. keep living in the past, we'll take care of the country while you dopey shits whine about the good old days. USA is BLUE, top to bottom, east to west.


  62. scooter Says:

    At least he wouldn’t have been Stupid enough to ATTACK THE WRONG COUNTRY and say OSAMA shouldn’t be BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!!

    If AL,,, had been the PREZ and attacked AFGHANISTAN would YOU or the PACIFISTS been OK with that?

    Ohhh thats right,,, he would have stopped the 9/11 bombings himself (he's superAL). In this case there would be no reason to attack AL QUEADA (ignoring the EMBASSIES and BILL of course)

    LALALALA KUBAYAA


  63. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:54 am
    I have no idea what this (R) Luntzian Lunatic is ranting about.
    ~~~~~~~

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 10, 2007 @ 1:55 am

    I think we should take away those barbie dolls with the lead paint on them from China, it seems to have affected its mind.


  64. hillary Says:

    Ohhh thats right,,, he would have stopped the 9/11 bombings himself (he’s superAL).

    finally got one right.


  65. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Benedict Arnold — September 10, 2007 @ 1:57 am

    Ignore it. The Chinese lead paint it ate will wear off after a bit.


  66. scooter Says:

    I am p, watch me melt down again. It's starting , don't miss it.


  67. DanInTX Says:

    If AL,,, had been the PREZ and attacked AFGHANISTAN would YOU or the PACIFISTS been OK with that?

    Ohhh thats right,,, he would have stopped the 9/11 bombings himself (he’s superAL). In this case there would be no reason to attack AL QUEADA (ignoring the EMBASSIES and BILL of course)

    LALALALA KUBAYAA
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:59 am

    While I may not be a card-carrying pacifist, I'd say I'm farther left than center. And I wholeheartedly supported the invasion of Afghanistan. They attacked us, so we responded. In fact, one of my biggest issues with the Iraq invasion - besides the lying - was that it took resources and focus away from Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin Laden. To my knowledge, this is a view shared by many you would call "PACIFISTS"


  68. scooter Says:

    As to the MILITARY bases,,,, I’m all for it as soon as they can ELECT thier leaders like the REST of us….
    (you don’t fear BRITISH, CANADIAN, or GERMAN bases do you?)

    here you go, folks, scooter wants chinese, british canadian and german bases in the USA. I love him!

    Comment by Benedict Arnold

    He's right,,,, I don't view any of those countries as a threat and would welcome the FACT that thier GOVT. will now have to PAY to support this BASE in our country. (like IRAQ).

    Hows that RON?


  69. scooter Says:

    retard,,,,,

    Nice to have you with us,,,,, I feel so lonely until you join the discussion


  70. Master P Says:

    Notice how the Libtards still can't answer any of scooters questions!!!!!!


  71. scooter Says:

    While I may not be a card-carrying pacifist, I’d say I’m farther left than center. And I wholeheartedly supported the invasion of Afghanistan. They attacked us, so we responded. In fact, one of my biggest issues with the Iraq invasion - besides the lying - was that it took resources and focus away from Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin Laden. To my knowledge, this is a view shared by many you would call “PACIFISTS”

    Comment by DanInTX

    Sure DAN,,,, PACIFISTS are only so when the occasion fits thier political description..... This description includes avoiding WAR at ANY COST. (ALAA Neville Chamberlain) That is why they are pacifists.....
    But you just keep thinking that if IRAQ was not there then they would be OK with AFGHANISTAN...

    One war to protest at a time now.


  72. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:05 am

    ...just babbling more of his nonsense, reminds me of a parkbeanch drunk, just walk on by....


  73. scooter Says:

    He’s right,,,, I don’t view any of those countries as a threat and would welcome the FACT that thier GOVT. will now have to PAY to support this BASE in our country. (like IRAQ).

    Hows that RON?

    Comment by scooter

    Could we also get FRANCE to do one here,,,,,, if they did then they would not be able to put just about all of thier countries GDP to SOCIAL PROGRAMS. They would be just like us and NEED to spend more on the MILITARY.

    YEAHHHHH


  74. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Danintx scooter just described his whole group, I think. avoiding war, yupp that would be Rove, Limbaugh, Wolfowitz,Cheney etc etc..

    The only non-pacifist was powell and the chickens crapped all over him. Ignore scooter Dan.


  75. scooter Says:

    They attacked us, so we responded

    Dan,,,, Al Queada that the country of AFGHANISTAN was harboring attacked us,,, (many times as well on BILLS watch) Not the country of AFGANISTAN....

    HMMMMM,,,, you mean we are killing thousands of civilians in afghanistan because of a few BAD apples there?
    What is our PROGRESS there? Why don't we send a general to determine if we need just 6 more MONTHS?
    We have been there longer, and yet you don't hear the crap about us HAVING to leave.
    Are the FANATICS there,, FREEDOM FIGHTERS?


  76. Vesica Piscium Says:

    M. A. Mortenson Co., Minneapolis, Minn., is being awarded $19,174,267 for Task Order JM01, Modification 07 (third increment of FY 2007 Base Realignment and Closure funding) under previously awarded 7-12-2007

    Scooter doesn't know what hes talking about Dan, hes a luntzian and doesnt argue rartionally, hes just throwing around a bunch of things he hopes are facts, or youll argue he Babel [confused]


  77. owlbear1 Says:

    Ah yes the classic, flinging shit and declaring victory ritual.

    Its amazing how often they can repeat the exact same routine and not show any self-awareness.

    Truly stunning performance Scooter and Master P.

    Yet another circle jerk performed flawlessly.


  78. DanInTX Says:

    scooter, Al Qaeda allies were running the country (or did you forget?).
    As far as I know, Saddam was not harboring, or allied with in any way, Al Qaeda, they only showed up after we invaded...


  79. scooter Says:

    The only non-pacifist was powell and the chickens crapped all over him. Ignore scooter Dan.

    Comment by Vesica Piscium

    Dan,,, follow VESICA'S admonition and please do ignore me. It's OK,,,, I'll understand (she knows whats best for ya)


  80. DanInTX Says:

    scooter, if I was gonna ignore you, I would've left by now and gone back to studying my Arabic (dirty f-ing hippy that I am).
    I'm in college, I do more than enough listening to people who think they know what's best for me in my daily life, I think I'm pretty good at filtering out when I should listen


  81. Master P Says:

    Unbelievable!!!

    The Libtards still can't answer scooter's questions!!!!

    LOL!!!


  82. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Boston Dynamics, Inc.*, Waltham, Mass., is being awarded a $10,000,000 completion-type, cost-plus-fixed-fee contract for research and development services to construct a dog-like robot with the capability to run fast, traverse trough terrain, jump over obstacles one meter tall or two meters wide, and operate for two hours without refueling.


  83. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:26 am
    All I see is babble, not even trying to answer him or you Luntz.


  84. DanInTX Says:

    Master P, what am I doing then?


  85. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Unbelievable!!!
    The Libtards still can’t answer scooter’s questions!!!!
    LOL!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:26 am

    Unbelievable, the CONTurds think they're asking ACTUAL QUESTIONS!!! LOL!!!!


  86. scooter Says:

    scooter, Al Qaeda allies were running the country (or did you forget?).
    As far as I know, Saddam was not harboring, or allied with in any way, Al Qaeda, they only showed up after we invaded…

    Comment by DanInTX

    Dan,, How could a PACIFIST not get worked up about attacking a MUCH smaller helpless country that only had a FEW bad APPLES that helped the TERRORISTS? Why could'nt we just get the TERRORISTS and leave they would argue?

    As for SADDAM,,,,, Al QUEADA was very small there,,,, but he was big with ANSAR AL ISLAM and many others.
    He gave $ to the PALESTINIAN freedom fighter SUICIDES in ISRAEL. And used planes as training for his own terrorists.
    ALSO,,,, are we only against AL QUEADA? How about the IRA? are we not going to oppose other terrorists because they have not attacked us YET? Talk to the spanish about the BASQUE seperatists in their own country and you can get an IDEA about how AL QUEADA is just 1 of thousands out there...

    Furthermore, we went after SADDAM primarily for WMD.
    The same GAS we gave him and he used on others (thus we knew he had),,, and we feared he would use on us or give to terrorists


  87. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    If AL,,, had been the PREZ and attacked AFGHANISTAN would YOU or the PACIFISTS been OK with that?
    Ohhh thats right,,, he would have stopped the 9/11 bombings himself (he’s superAL). In this case there would be no reason to attack AL QUEADA (ignoring the EMBASSIES and BILL of course)
    LALALALA KUBAYAA
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:59 am

    You must have (still be) asleep. Where do you hear the majority of liberals complaining about Afghanistan - DUMBASS!!!! Bush had like 93% approval for invading Afghanistan - why - BECAUSE THEY ATTACKED US YOU RETARDED JACKASS!


  88. Master P Says:

    Master P, what am I doing then?

    Comment by DanInTX — September 10, 2007 @ 2:30 a

    You're not answering scooter's questions.


  89. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    Hes just repaeating stuff thats been debunked before.

    YAWN.


  90. Master P Says:

    And the Libtards still can't answer scooter's questions!!!!!!


  91. DanInTX Says:

    few bad apples, like, um, the entire government apparatus?
    Sadaam offered money, IIRC, it was either not taken or taken by only a few of the families he offered it to. I also recall it being seen as essentially a PR gesture (much like Giulinazi's refusal to take the Saudi Prince's money after 9/11) to bolster him from attacks for being too secularist.
    The IRA? you're kidding right? you mean the IRA that has essentially disbanded militarily and is now part of the government? you mean that IRA?
    We should oppose all who use the tactics of terror, including our own leaders (regardless of ideological affiliation, they all do it at times), but it doesn't make geopolitical sense to attack militarily all every country that might have terrorists (i.e. should we be invading Spain?). we deal with the clear-cut cases where we know where they are and we know that the government is clearly involved and our presence may actually help things. Afghanistan is a perfect example.
    Should we be attacking Wales too? The Free Welsh Army blows up something every 15 years or so to remind people that 5 or 6 of them still exist...


  92. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Dan,, How could a PACIFIST not get worked up about attacking a MUCH smaller helpless country that only had a FEW bad APPLES that helped the TERRORISTS? Why could’nt we just get the TERRORISTS and leave they would argue? Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    That HELPED the terrorists, BAHAHA, they harbored, supported, trained and yes PROTECTED the TERRORISTS - you F*CKING RETARD!

    As for SADDAM,,,,, Al QUEADA was very small there,,,, but he was big with ANSAR AL ISLAM and many others.Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    If by SMALL you mean NON-EXISTENT - JACKASS!

    He gave $ to the PALESTINIAN freedom fighter SUICIDES in ISRAEL. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    He gave to widows and orphans, you f*cking cretin!

    And used planes as training for his own terrorists.Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    WTF does that mean, that SENTENCE SAYS NOTHING! WHAT TERRORISTS, you mean his SOLDIERS? YOU'RE A RETARD!

    ALSO,,,, are we only against AL QUEADA? How about the IRA? Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    What, the IRA have a concerted plan to continue attacking us, and have been attacking us? When did that happen - JACKASS! You f*cking RETARDS loved Al Qaeda when their terrorist attacks were against russia! Ever heard of BLOWBACK - RETARD?

    are we not going to oppose other terrorists because they have not attacked us YET? Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    By OPPOSE, you mean we're going to stop ALL terrorism? By DROPPING BOMBS AND TERRORIZING PEOPLE? What a f*cking piece of sh!t fool you are!

    Talk to the spanish about the BASQUE seperatists in their own country and you can get an IDEA about how AL QUEADA is just 1 of thousands out there…Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    Yes, but last time I checked ETA wasn't attacking the US, Osama was, and Georgie says He's NOT A THREAT! You people are MORE INCOMPETENT than you are CLOSETED and THAT SAYS A LOT!

    Furthermore, we went after SADDAM primarily for WMD.Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    Too bad the CIA told Bush they didn't HAVE ANY and he IGNORED REALITY and TOLD YOU F*CKING USEFUL IDIOTS what you WANTED TO HEAR to justify your BLOOD LUST!

    The same GAS we gave him and he used on others (thus we knew he had),,, and we feared he would use on us or give to terrorists
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    Yeah, but that GOES BAD unless it's RE-CREATED and he was UNDER SANCTIONS YOU F*CKING RETARD! The insiders knew, but they FABRICATED A PLOY TO GO FOR THE OIL!!!


  93. scooter Says:

    You must have (still be) asleep. Where do you hear the majority of liberals complaining about Afghanistan - DUMBASS!!!! Bush had like 93% approval for invading Afghanistan - why - BECAUSE THEY ATTACKED US YOU RETARDED JACKASS!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    C'mon RETARD,,,, he was popular also when IRAQ fell....
    What we are talking about is the VIEW from this country on HOW MUCH PROGRESS to expect. We ignore the lack of PROGRESS in AFGHANISTAN and focus on IRAQ for NOW,,,,
    Is Afghanistan making more PROGRESS than IRAQ? Are not GI's also being killed there? Is the GOVT. in AFGHANISTAN any more legit than the one in IRAQ?
    Why no GENERAL to tell us 6 more months in AFGHANISTAN?

    For LIBTARDS,,,,, it's 1 country at a time,,,, easy does it
    (you can get more folks like DAN on board when you just do 1 at a time)


  94. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    You’re not answering scooter’s questions.
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:37 am

    Ah Michael, You really are a RETARD!


  95. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Ya know Petraeus is the same guy who gace us all the misleading troop numbers back in 2004. And apparently the ISF, with 335,000 men. still cant stand up and protect their country.

    Heckuva job Petraeus.


  96. DanInTX Says:

    ok, masterp, give me the question I'm apparently not answering, in words I can understand (no crazy caps, proper grammar), and I'll do my best to answer it with something longer than a one-sentence statement repeated over and over again regardless of the facts (like, for instance, "the surge is working!")


  97. Master P Says:

    Ah Michael, You really are a RETARD!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 10, 2007 @ 2:41 am
    -----------

    I'm not michael, lib.


  98. Master P Says:

    Is Afghanistan making more PROGRESS than IRAQ? Are not GI’s also being killed there? Is the GOVT. in AFGHANISTAN any more legit than the one in IRAQ?
    Why no GENERAL to tell us 6 more months in AFGHANISTAN?


  99. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Hey I hear this is the second year in a row that afghan has record poppy crops.

    Poopy bush must be impressed with \/\/, I know mr p is happy about that.


  100. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Sure DAN,,,, PACIFISTS are only so when the occasion fits thier political description….. This description includes avoiding WAR at ANY COST.
    (ALAA Neville Chamberlain) That is why they are pacifists…..
    But you just keep thinking that if IRAQ was not there then they would be OK with AFGHANISTAN…
    One war to protest at a time now.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:09 am

    What PACIFISTS are you REFERRING TO? Up until recently the WINGNUT REPUBLICANS were the PACIFISTS - or did you MISS THE MEMO THAT THE GOP TRIED TO STOP OUR INVOLVEMENT IN WWII?

    As for Afghanistan, why are you saying "would-be", we ALREADY invaded Afghanistan with the approval of ALMOST EVERY american, you dumbass! Yet despite that HIGH APPROVAL, you f*ckers SQUANDERED ALL of the good will and possibilities! There are more drugs being grown there than ever before, and women are once again PROPERTY! You f*ckers can't get ANYTHING right, even when you have ALMOST UNANIMOUS support for your cause! LOSER!


  101. scooter Says:

    Yeah, but that GOES BAD unless it’s RE-CREATED and he was UNDER SANCTIONS YOU F*CKING RETARD! The insiders knew, but they FABRICATED A PLOY TO GO FOR THE OIL!!!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    Sure RETARD,,,, we needed 14 UN resolutions and HANS BLIX was only a couple of WEEKS away from determining that NOTHING was missing. He kept telling us he was sooo close,,, soo close to what? (his wallet)


  102. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    I’m not michael, lib.
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:43 am

    Squeal, Squeal, you've been caught michael!


  103. scootersmom Says:

    What was the question? It got burried amidst his senseless ravings. Was it the one about removing bases from other countries? Maybe you're slow and didn't get the point I was making, which was- "Do unto others...etc". So to answer that question, HELL YES! Maybe the ENTIRE WORLD wouldn't be so pissed off at us. I think putting the neo-con cabal up for war crimes might also appease them.


  104. Vesica Piscium Says:

    And the Maliki government is full of corruption, what a pan that Rumsfeld didnt have, eh?


  105. scooter Says:

    What PACIFISTS are you REFERRING TO? Up until recently the WINGNUT REPUBLICANS were the PACIFISTS - or did you MISS THE MEMO THAT THE GOP TRIED TO STOP OUR INVOLVEMENT IN WWII?

    HMMMM,,,, i seem to have missed the HISTORY lesson where it shows the mass PROTESTS over 500,000 deaths in WW2. (that would have been too hard for the GOP to expoit)


  106. DanInTX Says:

    Iraq has more troops and less chance of progress in the future from our presence. Afghanistan was making progress until we reallocated our focus and resources to Iraq. No general telling us 6 more months in Afghanistan because we actually had (and maybe still have) a chance of leaving the country a relative success. hence why the general "libtard" view is that we should withdraw from Iraq and reallocate to Afghanistan where our presence could still conceivably do some good. The country is going to hell because we took our eye off the ball, as opposed to Iraq, where our presence - and the way we went in - is the cause of the country's instability.


  107. Vesica Piscium Says:

    pooter cant even answer his own questions. MIR

    nor provide facts.


  108. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    C’mon RETARD,,,, he was popular also when IRAQ fell….Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:41 am

    Yet he didn't have nearly universal approval, and he LIED about the reasons for invading Iraq. Unless you're going to tell me Osama wasn't in Afghanistan, then your conflation is RETARDED!

    What we are talking about is the VIEW from this country on HOW MUCH PROGRESS to expect. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:41 am

    HOW MUCH PROGRESS? You mean in stopping terrorism? So far almost NONE, because you f*ckers are bogged down in a WAR OF CHOICE in Iraq!

    We ignore the lack of PROGRESS in AFGHANISTAN and focus on IRAQ for NOW,,,,Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:41 aM/em>

    No, YOU F*CKERS Ignore Afghanistan and Pakistan, which is where you SHOULD be focusing - DUMBASS!

    Is Afghanistan making more PROGRESS than IRAQ? Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:41 am

    They're both bogged down, but Iraq is a huge financial, military and resource drain that's a distraction from dealing with terrorism. If anything Afghanistan needs MORE efforts, and some of the money wasted in Iraq!

    Are not GI’s also being killed there? Is the GOVT. in AFGHANISTAN any more legit than the one in IRAQ?Comment by
    Why no GENERAL to tell us 6 more months in AFGHANISTAN?
    For LIBTARDS,,,,, it’s 1 country at a time,,,, easy does it
    (you can get more folks like DAN on board when you just do 1 at a time)
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:41 am

    One country at a time? BAHAHAHA, says the WINGNUT that admits we didn't FINISH in AFGHANISTAN!!! The reason the military isn't saying that about Afghanistan is that it's a relatively SMALL operation that's required because we have Nato and INTERNATIONAL support - DUMBASS!


  109. Vesica Piscium Says:

    More troops. About 24,000 U.S. troops are in Afghanistan, 3,500 more than a year ago. Overall, there are about 47,000 U.S. and NATO troops in the country.

    the troop deaths are up by 20% in afghanistan.


  110. scooter Says:

    What was the question? It got burried amidst his senseless ravings.
    Comment by scootersmom

    The question is why iraq progress is a failure but afghanistan is not.

    Afghanistan has had more time and more $ per person spent than has IRAQ.
    Why is a GENERAL in IRAQ to say 6 more months when YOU don't CARE if we are in AFGHANISTAN for 10 more years?

    Why are we giving afghanistan a pass but not iraq?


  111. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    HMMMM,,,, i seem to have missed the HISTORY lesson where it shows the mass PROTESTS over 500,000 deaths in WW2. (that would have been too hard for the GOP to expoit)
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:47 am

    No, but you probably missed that the GOP tried to halt the funding of the war despite us being attacked by the countries we were fighting! Your CONFLATION of this affair with WWII in terms of death is ironic however, considering that our invasion of a sovereign weaker country is more like your Fascist Hero Adolph's policies than those of the US.


  112. scootersmom Says:

    Q: How many sane people does it take to reveal Scooter is a dumbass 25%er?

    A: None! He does it all by himself!


  113. DanInTX Says:

    more $ per person? explain, with numbers if possible...


  114. Vesica Piscium Says:

    .S. commanders say the number of Taliban and insurgent fighters is back up to where it was before the U.S. military invaded Afghanistan

    Sabil knew, and 7years of reports knew there was no WMD in Iraq, it was about regime change, not WMD. The regime changed, Allawi, Maliki. but that didnt secure the country.


  115. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    The question is why iraq progress is a failure but afghanistan is not. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 am

    Because it's in a civil war, and Afghanistan isn't?

    Afghanistan has had more time and more $ per person spent than has IRAQ.
    Why is a GENERAL in IRAQ to say 6 more months when YOU don’t CARE if we are in AFGHANISTAN for 10 more years? Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 am

    BAHAHAHA, SURE it has! Where are your STATISTICS - JACKASS?

    Why are we giving afghanistan a pass but not iraq?
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 am

    Because it's not in the middle of a civil war of our f*cking making - JACKASS?


  116. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:52 am

    Its not a pass its another quagmire.

    what did dick cheney say in 1994 scooter?


  117. scooter Says:

    One country at a time? BAHAHAHA, says the WINGNUT that admits we didn’t FINISH in AFGHANISTAN!!! The reason the military isn’t saying that about Afghanistan is that it’s a relatively SMALL operation that’s required because we have Nato and INTERNATIONAL support - DUMBASS!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    One country at a time,,,, refers to your plan to get us out of BOTH COUNTRIES....(please join your friends and argue that afganistan has no progress)
    If you think we can't get out of afghanistan because of NATO,,,, WE BROGHT NATO IN ,,, RETARD


  118. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    more $ per person? explain, with numbers if possible…
    Comment by DanInTX — September 10, 2007 @ 2:54 am

    That poor little RETARD doesn't even know that Afghanistan has MORE PEOPLE than Iraq does!!!! What a FOOL!


  119. Master P Says:

    And still, the Libtards can't answer scooter's questions!!!!!!


  120. Vesica Piscium Says:

    how long did Rummy think this would last scooter?

    What did wolfowitz say about the oil paying for reconstruction scooter?


  121. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    One country at a time,,,, refers to your plan to get us out of BOTH COUNTRIES….(please join your friends and argue that afganistan has no progress)
    If you think we can’t get out of afghanistan because of NATO,,,, WE BROGHT NATO IN ,,, RETARD
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:56 am

    The invasion of Afghanistan was a truly international affair, as is its occupation. Afghanistan has very little progress, but unlike Iraq it hasn't FALLEN INTO THE PIT OF HELL, thanks to you f*cking INEPT REPUBLICANS!


  122. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    And still, the Libtards can’t answer scooter’s questions!!!!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:57 am

    And still, the CONturds can't get the Pee Stains from their sh!t soaked whiny diapers!!!!!


  123. scooter Says:

    Because it’s not in the middle of a civil war of our f*cking making - JACKASS?

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    Now that's funny,,,,, afghanstan is NOT in a CIVIL war of our making. (your starting to sound like the BUSH adm. on defending IRAQ)

    HAHAHAHA your awesome man,,,


  124. Master P Says:

    Answering a question with a question!

    Libs, that means you don't have any answers!!!

    YOU LOSE AGAIN!!!


  125. Vesica Piscium Says:

    how many INF forces are there scooter?

    What is this operation re-bueing in the INF for?

    How many secuirty contractors in Iraq Scooter?

    What are the names of those contractors?

    How is Bechtel coming on its projects scooter?

    What about the Halliburton projects scooter? Behind ahead overcosts?


  126. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007

    I am not answering scooter mr p, havent you noticed?


  127. Master P Says:

    Liberals lose!!!

    AMERICA WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  128. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Answering a question with a question!
    Libs, that means you don’t have any answers!!!
    YOU LOSE AGAIN!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 2:59 am

    Answering an answer, with a question of where's the answer, means you don't have a real question, any answers, or a BRAIN. You LOSE AS ALWAYS, Pee Stain!


  129. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Now that’s funny,,,,, afghanstan is NOT in a CIVIL war of our making. (your starting to sound like the BUSH adm. on defending IRAQ)
    HAHAHAHA your awesome man,,,
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 2:59 am

    Defending Iraq? Hardly! We CREATED the circumstances for a civil war from our invasion and occupation, and it will ONLY GET WORSE as long as we're occupying! Sorry, but the problem is BUSH and YOU have NO IMAGINATION and think there's only ONE ANSWER (MORE WAR FROM US) to this issue.

    Then again, you Chickenhawks have ALWAYS made bad war choices!!!!


  130. scooter Says:

    The invasion of Afghanistan was a truly international affair, as is its occupation. Afghanistan has very little progress, but unlike Iraq it hasn’t FALLEN INTO THE PIT OF HELL, thanks to you f*cking INEPT REPUBLICANS!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    Your right again,,,, retard,,,, we should base how well our mission is going on WHO is there screwing it up with us...... (did'nt BUSH rip KERRY in the DEBATES on not needing other countries OK)

    So,,,, a bunch of countries are screwing up afghanistan and thats OK,,,, but just us screwing up iraq is bad....

    HMMMMMM


  131. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Come on Scooter, dazzle us with HOW MUCH we've spent on Afghanistan compared to Iraq!!!!! This should be FUNNY to see you PRETEND you didn't say SUCH A PATENT LIE!!!


  132. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Liberals lose!!!
    AMERICA WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:00 am

    That's kinda true, because when you wingnuts WON (by stealing two elections) you created the circumstances where the whole country is now SO SICK OF YOU, that WE'RE ALL GONNA WIN FROM THE COMING TIDE OF LIBERAL POLICIES! Get ready pee-stain!!! Because AMERICA WILL WIN, and YOU LOSE!!!


  133. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007

    know whats funny mir, mr p is a liberal living off mom and dad. and he has admitted he wont join the military, he worse than a liberal, hes a deadbeat, a sponge, and a pacifist. He just trys to act like a 'patriot' its like his many personalities, just smoke and mirrors.


  134. DanInTX Says:

    masterp, do you even read our responses, or do you just pause a few seconds and then spit out one of a few prewritten responses?


  135. scooter Says:

    Defending Iraq? Hardly! We CREATED the circumstances for a civil war from our invasion and occupation, and it will ONLY GET WORSE as long as we’re occupying! Sorry, but the problem is BUSH and YOU have NO IMAGINATION and think there’s only ONE ANSWER (MORE WAR FROM US) to this issue.

    Then again, you Chickenhawks have ALWAYS made bad war choices!!!!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    RETARD
    Please insert afghanistan into your comment above on iraq and repeat in a year after we have left IRAQ.

    Kinda scary ehhhh


  136. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Your right again,,,, retard,,,, we should base how well our mission is going on WHO is there screwing it up with us…… Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:03 am

    Lets see. Afghanistan has a standing army, 60k police officers, significantly lower bombings and violence than Iraq - sounds like it's a CAKE WALK compared to Iraq!

    Still waiting on those DOLLAR FIGURES from you - JUST ADMIT YOU LIED SON!

    (did’nt BUSH rip KERRY in the DEBATES on not needing other countries OK) Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:03 am

    You could have just posted "BUSH didn't rip KERRY in the DEBATES", and that would have been the FIRST RELEVANT post you would have made!!!

    So,,,, a bunch of countries are screwing up afghanistan and thats OK,,,, but just us screwing up iraq is bad….
    HMMMMMM
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:03 am

    Well there's mismanagement - then there is ENRON! See you f*ckers are SO INCOMPETENT, you can't TELL THE DIFFERENCE!! LOSER!


  137. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD
    Please insert afghanistan into your comment above on iraq and repeat in a year after we have left IRAQ
    Kinda scary ehhhh
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:06 am

    RETARD, please recognize that every country is a different place with different challenges, and remember that next time you think you can COWBOY a needless war with promises of "war on the cheap" and only 6 months and we'll be gone! STupid f*cker!


  138. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:03 am

    cmon scooter answer my questions. mr p obviously cant. how many contractors? where are they deployed? what does that cost?

    how much fuel do we use a day? how many bullets? How much jet fel? How many airforce> How many marines? Whats it cost to kee carriers in the gulf of Iran? What about the navy personnel how many? How much fuelt does that use?
    how much does the DOD award in contracts on a daily basis?


  139. scootersmom Says:

    Now answer MY question: Why are we in Iraq?


  140. scooter Says:

    Come on Scooter, dazzle us with HOW MUCH we’ve spent on Afghanistan compared to Iraq!!!!! This should be FUNNY to see you PRETEND you didn’t say SUCH A PATENT LIE!!!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    I would assume that the MISSION in afghanistan bieng screwed up by ALL the countries there surpasses that of IRAQ,,,,, can't tell because the other countries don't always say what they buck up,,,,

    BUT,,,, we have been there longer with less PROGRESS.
    And,,,, if your a good LIBTARD,,,, we created it tooo


  141. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Oh and scooter, if we can pull our troops out of Afghanistan and still track down Al Qaeda - SO BE IT! But you f*ckers seem to have FORGOTTEN what ORGANIZATION ACTUALLY ATTACKED US, in your MADNESS to avenge the Suicide Bombers in Israel! Guess we shouldn't be surprised that virtually ALL of the NeoCon insiders are Jewish, should we scooter with his beanie?


  142. Master P Says:

    Why are we in Iraq?

    Comment by scootersmom — September 10, 2007 @ 3:09 am

    ----

    TO kill muslims.


  143. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    I would assume that the MISSION in afghanistan bieng screwed up by ALL the countries there surpasses that of IRAQ,,,,, can’t tell because the other countries don’t always say what they buck up,,,, Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:09 am

    Iraq - CIVIL WAR
    Afghanistan - NO CIVIL WAR

    Yeah, those are EXACTLY THE SAME - in BIZARRO WORLD!

    BUT,,,, we have been there longer with less PROGRESS.
    And,,,, if your a good LIBTARD,,,, we created it tooo
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:09 am

    Let see, SLOW progress, or COUNTRY IS WORSE OFF IN A CIVIL WAR? Yeah, those are EXACTLY THE SAME - NOT!!!


  144. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    TO kill muslims.
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:11 am

    Spoken like a true religious based terrorist...


  145. Vesica Piscium Says:

    how long can we go at this rate before a draft is needed? What will happen if we bomb iran? what will that cost? How many planes? How many millions isn missiles?

    Your good at asking questions scooter but not at answering them, add all that stuff, think about the logistics.


  146. scooter Says:

    RETARD,,,, don't look now buddy,,,, but in afghanistan,,,
    I think your actually defending the TROOPS and what we are trying to do there.... WOW...

    Now,,, lets see if we can get you to be as fair to the IRAQIS as well... ehhh


  147. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Now answer MY question: Why are we in Iraq?
    Comment by scootersmom — September 10, 2007 @ 3:09 am

    Because republicans have LOW SELF ESTEEM and have trouble admitting THEY ARE WRONG. That's why scooter is too cowardly to admit he LIED about the money we've spent on Afghanistan! LOW SELF ESTEEM - brought on from the closet, and other self loathing 'issues'.


  148. scootersmom Says:

    HAHAHA! Good answer! Unless you're serious... In that case, you're one f*cked up motherf*cker


  149. Vesica Piscium Says:

    how much more will we have to borrow scooter?

    Well mr P thats not so easy.

    It has taken some 150,000 m156 rounds for each terrorist at about 35 cents a piece,


  150. Master P Says:

    I'm DEAD serious.

    GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!


  151. Vesica Piscium Says:

    TO kill muslims.

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007

    IBush says we are their to free them fron an oppressiev dictator and to give them democracy and rebuild their infratsructure, Are you calling the CIC a liar?


  152. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,,, don’t look now buddy,,,, but in afghanistan,,,
    I think your actually defending the TROOPS and what we are trying to do there…. WOW… Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:12 am

    Reality is ALWAYS difficult for you wingnuts to grasp, that's why you're willing to murder troops and civilians alike by putting them in places only to stroke your fragile bruised egos...

    Now,,, lets see if we can get you to be as fair to the IRAQIS as well… ehhh
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:12 am

    Fair? BAHAHA, what does a WINGNUT know about FAIRNESS? You're a f*cking FOOL!!1 What's FAIR is to get the f*ck out of their country so we stop being a lightning rod! The Iraqis hate the outsiders almost as much as they hate us - I bet you'd be shocked at how quickly the root them out once we're gone! But you f*ckers are too cowardly to live in the REAL WORLD, your EGOS ARE TOO BRUISED and Israel is lobbying hard to get that Oil pipeline from Iraq!!!!


  153. scooter Says:

    Oh and scooter, if we can pull our troops out of Afghanistan and still track down Al Qaeda - SO BE IT! But you f*ckers seem to have FORGOTTEN what ORGANIZATION ACTUALLY ATTACKED US, in your MADNESS to avenge the Suicide Bombers in Israel! Guess we shouldn’t be surprised that virtually ALL of the NeoCon insiders are Jewish, should we scooter with his beanie?

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    RETARD,,,,, the evil JEWS have been leading us astray. HMMMMM somebody please tell STEVEN SPIELLBERG to make a movie on it..... maybe we can even get an all JEWISH cast to portray BUSH being snookered by the JEWS... I'm bettin LIB hollywood would love it,,,, (especially the JEWS)


  154. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    I’m DEAD serious.
    GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:15 am

    Which one of your pagan gods are you calling on? Yahweh or Hesus?


  155. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Wouldnt it be easier to just drop nukes if that what you say is true Mr p?


  156. scooter Says:

    Fair? BAHAHA, what does a WINGNUT know about FAIRNESS? You’re a f*cking FOOL!!1 What’s FAIR is to get the f*ck out of their country so we stop being a lightning rod! The Iraqis hate the outsiders almost as much as they hate us - I bet you’d be shocked at how quickly the root them out once we’re gone! But you f*ckers are too cowardly to live in the REAL WORLD, your EGOS ARE TOO BRUISED and Israel is lobbying hard to get that Oil pipeline from Iraq!!!!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    RETARD,,,,, ahhhhhh seeee,,,, here we are making progress and then you say that you HATE the troops in IRAQ not making progress but LOVE the troops in AFGHANISTAN not making progress....

    Please get the medications goin


  157. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,,,, the evil JEWS have been leading us astray. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:16 am

    Evil Jews? BAHAHA, sure!!! Hey the Jews vote 87% for Dems, it's you f*ckers that always whine about Soros and the 'evil-jews'. I'm more concerned about the right wing extremists within the Israeli government and the Bush administration that put the 'nation' of Israel's interests above all else!

    HMMMMM somebody please tell STEVEN SPIELLBERG to make a movie on it….. maybe we can even get an all JEWISH cast to portray BUSH being snookered by the JEWS… I’m bettin LIB hollywood would love it,,,, (especially the JEWS)
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:16 am

    Hey, Leo Strauss, the founding of the NeoCon movement was a Nazi that was allowed to leave Israel. Personally, I don't think there's a darned thing 'jewish' about the Neocons or the extremist Jews - there antithetical to the principles espoused by especially 'modern' Judaism. Maybe that's why so many Jews are so enlightened about what FRAUDS you wingnuts are... Unfortunately every group - even jews - have their EXTREMIST WINGNUTS LIKE YOU!


  158. Master P Says:

    muslims aren't WORTH bullets, let alone nukes.


  159. scooter Says:

    RETARD,,,, if your a real LIB,,,, you'd want us out of ALL countries not just IRAQ, or afghanistan...

    I don't think your BRETHREN are very pleased with you.


  160. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,,,, ahhhhhh seeee,,,, here we are making progress and then you say that you HATE the troops in IRAQ not making progress but LOVE the troops in AFGHANISTAN not making progress….
    Please get the medications goin
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:19 am

    Why would soldiers trained to BREAK THINGS be expected to make PEACE process? Only a f*cking fool like you would hate the troops so much to expect them to do a job they weren't trained for! Why DO you hate the TROOPS SO MUCH!

    And poor little f*cker, I suggest you go research Afghanistan some more - you'd find it has UN and other PEACEKEEPING and DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES that are TRAINED to assist a country operating there. Iraq is so unstable the UN is not even there to help!


  161. Vesica Piscium Says:

    I hear that AIPAC said they US shoukd attack IRAN if they were going to destabilize the region.

    Oh BTW scooter we also gave Saudi a 20 billion dollar arms package.

    And this war has been fought off the books with emergency supplementals, all while doling ouit tax cuts, and most are backloaded, the deficit is up as it as, and the stock market is requiring hundreds of bilions in iknjections to maintain liquidity, alot of jobs have been lost due to the sub-prine crash already and this is the first time in four years the job rate is down.

    Man, scooter, sponge youg guys dont think.


  162. DanInTX Says:

    #

    RETARD,,,, don’t look now buddy,,,, but in afghanistan,,,
    I think your actually defending the TROOPS and what we are trying to do there…. WOW…

    Now,,, lets see if we can get you to be as fair to the IRAQIS as well… ehhh

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:12 am

    I know this is hard to grasp scooter, but we're patriotic too. Both of my grandfathers served (one drafted, one enlisted, IIRC) and my father might have if drafted (even into a war he despised).
    Oh, and Michael, can y'all keep the jews out of this, we're a decent people once you get to know us...


  163. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007

    well you better break out your pocket knife webelo bill and head over to the ME. Siitting here airing out your hatred aint gonna cut it.


  164. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    I just LOVE the TROLL CONTRADICTIONS of these posts, almost as much as how I love the IMPLICIT APPROVAL that scooter gives to the Pee Stain's comments!

    Now,,, lets see if we can get you to be as fair to the IRAQIS as well… ehhh
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:12 am
    Please get the medications goin
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:19 am

    against this:

    muslims aren’t WORTH bullets, let alone nukes.
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:20 am

    Yeah, scooter, SURE it's libs that need medication!! BAHAHA, what a poor little RETARD you are!!!!!

    RETARD,,,, if your a real LIB,,,, you’d want us out of ALL countries not just IRAQ, or afghanistan…
    I don’t think your BRETHREN are very pleased with you.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:21 am

    BAHAHA, as the GOP suddenly takes on the role of INTERNATIONAL COP after DECRYING THIS "LIberal Idea" for DECADES!!! How LITTLE the USEFUL IDIOTS know about their OWN PARTY or HISTORY!!! Poor scooter is just at the WHIM of whatever his PARTY BOSS tells him/her!


  165. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Oh, and Michael, can y’all keep the jews out of this, we’re a decent people once you get to know us…
    Comment by DanInTX — September 10, 2007 @ 3:24 am

    Some of THE MOST DECENT people I know - as a matter of fact :)

    Unfortunately you guys have some WINGNUT DOGS you need to curb, just like ALL of the religions! If you IGNORE THAT FACT, you'll be no different than the Muslims that refuse to accept the reality of their extremists!


  166. DanInTX Says:

    scooter, please enlighten us to what a true lib is, I'd like to know how much I've apparently been lying about my ideological orientation the last few years.
    and mir, sorry for misreading the intent of your initial post on jews. there was a great bit when bill kristol came on the daily show recently and stewart started with "we now welcome you to another installment of two jews arguing"


  167. scooter Says:

    Afghanistan some more - you’d find it has UN and other PEACEKEEPING and DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES that are TRAINED to assist a country operating there. Iraq is so unstable the UN is not even there to help!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    RETARD,,,, I don't belive my ears,,,,, to suggest that the UN is effective in any way on the world stage is LUDICROUS. There is no more mismanaged, corrupt, and useless entitiy than the one you describe as BEING TRAINED.... HAHAHAHAHA


  168. Vesica Piscium Says:

    RETARD,,,, if your a real LIB,,,, you’d want us out of ALL countries not just IRAQ, or afghanistan -scooter

    see scooterm thats where your projection of idiotic pundit talking points gets you in trouble, thats WHAT YOU think, and what YOU think is what you have been told, and it is NOT reality.

    In effect listening to pundits has made put you into a reality that doesn't exist, except in your mind.
    .
    WHy would you make a mistake like that?


  169. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,,, I don’t belive my ears,,,,, to suggest that the UN is effective in any way on the world stage is LUDICROUS. There is no more mismanaged, corrupt, and useless entitiy than the one you describe as BEING TRAINED…. HAHAHAHAHA
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:28 am

    They are one of the few organizations that actually have people trained for peacekeeping, and nation building in the world. Your ARROGANCE, BLIND HATRED FOR THE UN, and COMPLETE IGNORANCE is exactly WHY you f*ckers are IN THIS MESS IN IRAQ!!!

    Oh, and HHAHAHAHAAH, can't BELIEVE you're actually that STUPID, especially when the UN looks like a clean organization compared to GOP CORRUPTION!! AHAHAHAHAAAAA


  170. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    I'm still in SHOCK, the GOP judging the CORRUPTION and COMPETENCE of another organization!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!


  171. scooter Says:

    scooter, please enlighten us to what a true lib is, I’d like to know how much I’ve apparently been lying about my ideological orientation the last few years.
    and mir, sorry for misreading the intent of your initial post on jews. there was a great bit when bill kristol came on the daily show recently and stewart started with “we now welcome you to another installment of two jews arguing”

    Comment by DanInTX

    Dan,,,, Give me the issue and I will attempt the LIB ideology.


  172. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Billions of dollars have GONE MISSING in Iraq, and the US was paying people with truckloads of CASH with NO ACCOUNTING IN PLACE, and scooter is calling the UN CORRUPT and INCOMPETENT!!!

    ROTFLMAO!!! Now THAT is FUNNY!!!!


  173. Vesica Piscium Says:

    scooter, please enlighten us to what a true lib is -dan

    they can't tell you Dan, they only know what they have heard on the boob tube or on the squak box. Libs are poor black, or Brown, and on welfare if you listen to Rush.

    And if you listen to Coulter they are poor, union workers and Godlless.

    If you listen to a high end pundit they are Rich, Hollywood liberals and actors, and own the major media netwroks and newspapers.

    LMAO.

    I dont think they, conservatives even live on this planet, relaity is a head in a box!


  174. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Dan,,,, Give me the issue and I will attempt the LIB ideology.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:32 am

    You mean give you an issue, and you'll find a way to distort, smear, misrepresent and LIE to attack liberals... Sorry pansy, but we ALL have your number - USEFUL IDIOT!!!


  175. Vesica Piscium Says:

    oh, and they also thnk all libs are long haired smelly hipppies that attend protests for a living, smoke pot and drug addicts.


  176. scooter Says:

    VESICA,,,,, the true lib wants us out of all countries both militarily and econonmically,,,, TARIFFS to protect the UNIONS, NO troops over there then no WAR.

    Corporate america is a world business, and if world business is gone then the companies will be smaller, (probably more of em)
    smaller companies will be less corporate and less efficient...

    You can still make you shirts in AMERICA in this example however WE would have to pay 50 bucks for a Tshirt...


  177. Vesica Piscium Says:

    And best of all they KNOW all there is to know, and what you think and they know what your view is on EVERYTHING without ever seeing you oar asking your opinion!

    The super moral, value voter amzing kreskin race of conservative know it all!

    Meanwhile in the real world they are realy conpervatives!


  178. scooter Says:

    Retard,,,, Your right about IRAQ and corruption,,, but none of that has occured in afghanistan,,,,,
    NOPE,,,,

    You just want the corrupt stuff on 1 side hmmmm


  179. Vesica Piscium Says:

    VESICA,,,,, the true lib wants us out of all countries both militarily and econonmically,,,, TARIFFS to protect the UNIONS, NO troops over there then no WAR.

    And how do you know who and where those are? I dont know any of those, btw, I neve even said I was a LIB, you guys infer that from your Kreskin imagination.


  180. scooter Says:

    In afghanistan,,,, when we buy off a WARLORD they call it a wise investment. (maybe it is)


  181. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Retard,,,, Your right about IRAQ and corruption,,, but none of that has occured in afghanistan,,,,,

    What do you think they gro poppies for? And why do you think they call it the golden crescent?


  182. scooter Says:

    Scale on HELL HOLES progress

    IRAQ,,, sucky
    AFGHANISTAN,,, ditto,,, but its PC to ignore the fact
    NEW ORLEANS,,, really good with unbelievalbe qualities both BEFORE and AFTER the HURRICANE. It's so good that the astronmical death rate is not even a concern.


  183. Vesica Piscium Says:

    In afghanistan,,,, when we buy off a WARLORD they call it a wise investment. (maybe it is) Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007

    Bwah. I used to work in the oil industry years ago, selling oilfiedl equipment in auctions to the OPEC nations.

    The texa soil folks been paying the taliban for decades to protect the pipelines. I know Mrp is just a college kid and has seen backyard virginia, and talks alot of crap, but you guys really seem very limited in your life /world experience. You should ASK what peoples experience is before going all wonky on them.


  184. scooter Says:

    What do you think they gro poppies for? And why do you think they call it the golden crescent?

    Comment by Vesica Piscium

    RETARD,,,, another reason to just get out now,,, RIGHT?
    Or is VESICA jumpin the gun and rippin on afghanistan when the plan is for IRAQ first?


  185. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,,, another reason to just get out now,,, RIGHT?
    Or is VESICA jumpin the gun and rippin on afghanistan when the plan is for IRAQ first?
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:46 am

    You mean another reason to divert the money we're wasting on Iraq into economic development that we PROMISED but didn't deliver? You're a F*CKING MORON!


  186. Vesica Piscium Says:

    t’s so good that the astronmical death rate is not even a concern.
    Comment by scooter

    Wow, do you ever get out and travel? Ever been thru the area ths trom went thru?


  187. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    IRAQ,,, sucky
    AFGHANISTAN,,, ditto,,, but its PC to ignore the fact
    NEW ORLEANS,,, really good with unbelievalbe qualities both BEFORE and AFTER the HURRICANE. It’s so good that the astronmical death rate is not even a concern.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:44 am

    No, Iraq=Enron, Afghanistan=company with some subprime investing.

    Oh, I'm sorry, I used a LIBERAL FREE MARKET EXAMPLE, I'm sure that'll go RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD, just as EVERY OTHER ANALYSIS HAS...


  188. Master P Says:

    You mean another reason to divert the money we’re wasting on Iraq into economic development that we PROMISED but didn’t deliver? You’re a F*CKING MORON!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 10, 2007 @ 3:47 am

    ----

    And you're nothing but a NAZI!!!!!!!!!, you muslim jew-hating liberal!!!!


  189. scooter Says:

    VESICA,,,,
    I'm comparing the practice of buying WARLORDS in afghanistan with that of TRIBAL chiefs in IRAQ.

    The missing $,,,, HELLO VESICA,,,,, YOU THERE
    If one is bad then they both are,,,, or GOOD,,,,

    RETARD,,,, please tell her why these are not the same,,, and tell her to get in line and quite rippin on afghanistan,,, she may WRECK your mission there.


  190. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Retard,,,, Your right about IRAQ and corruption,,, but none of that has occured in afghanistan,,,,,
    NOPE,,,,
    You just want the corrupt stuff on 1 side hmmmm
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:39 am

    Not the tune of BILLIONS UNACCOUNTED FOR, while the company is WORSE OFF than before the occupation. Nope... And you can be ASSURED that much of what did go wrong in Afghanistan was a DIRECT RESULT of GOP MISMANAGEMENT THERE AS WELL!!!

    Like I said, nothing says CORRUPTION and INCOMPETENCE like a GOP RUN AFFAIR!!!


  191. Vesica Piscium Says:

    r is VESICA jumpin the gun and rippin on afghanistan when the plan is for IRAQ first?

    Comment by scooter

    HUh? They went into afhghanistan first.

    They way overestimated their shock and awe campaign, The Taliban is back to pre war levels, even with 25,000 troops there.


  192. Master P Says:

    libs are the modern day NAZIS!!!!!! with a libtarded twist of STALINISM!!!!!!!!


  193. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    VESICA,,,,
    I’m comparing the practice of buying WARLORDS in afghanistan with that of TRIBAL chiefs in IRAQ. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:50 am

    Hey, you f*ckers are screwing up EVERYWHERE, the difference is that you've ALREADY SCREWED UP COMPLETELY In IRAQ!!!

    The missing $,,,, HELLO VESICA,,,,, YOU THERE
    If one is bad then they both are,,,, or GOOD,,,,
    RETARD,,,, please tell her why these are not the same,,, and tell her to get in line and quite rippin on afghanistan,,, she may WRECK your mission there.
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:50 am

    Tell her why you're a RETARD? Probably because your dad raped your sister to conceive you! That would explain the RETARD you HAVE BECOME!!!


  194. scooter Says:

    You mean another reason to divert the money we’re wasting on Iraq into economic development that we PROMISED but didn’t deliver? You’re a F*CKING MORON!

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    You would'nt be a RACIST that hates IRAQIS but not the AFGHANS now would you?


  195. Master P Says:

    libs are the modern day NAZIS!!!!!! with a libtarded twist of STALINISM!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:51 am


  196. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    HUh? They went into afhghanistan first.
    They way overestimated their shock and awe campaign, The Taliban is back to pre war levels, even with 25,000 troops there.
    Comment by Vesica Piscium — September 10, 2007 @ 3:50 am

    All true, and while the GOP has IGNORED afghanistan entirely Iraq has turned into a hell hole. Those guys can't do ANYTHING right!


  197. Vesica Piscium Says:

    VESICA,,,,I’m comparing the practice of buying WARLORDS in afghanistan with that of TRIBAL chiefs in IRAQ.

    WHY? You think that hasnt been happening for the last 4 years?


  198. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    You would’nt be a RACIST that hates IRAQIS but not the AFGHANS now would you?
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:52 am

    That would be Pee Stain, and you IGNORED my post about that JUST AS I PREDICTED...


  199. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    libs are the modern day NAZIS!!!!!! with a libtarded twist of STALINISM!!!!!!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:51 am
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:52 am

    NAZIS were CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS F*CKS, just like YOU - PEE STAIN!! Did I say WERE, I meant ARE!!!


  200. Master P Says:

    DEATH TO ISLAMOSTALINISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  201. scooter Says:

    RETARD,,, I know the REAL reason BUSH invaded AFGHANISTAN,,,,,
    Not the poppies (although they are tempting)
    Not the women (not even tempting)
    Its those HATS,,,, HAMID KARZAIS type is worth fightin for....

    Now you can be like VESICA and tell everybody we should get ot of that HELL HOLE too....


  202. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    DEATH TO ISLAMOSTALINISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:54 am

    Death to meaningless fabricated inaccurate GOP slogans that mean nothing!!! Oh wait, that would END THE GOP!!!


  203. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 3:51 am

    Are you back to being a fool again? Mr P I am not a Nazi, nor a stalinist, thats old shit that happened in other countries and does not apply to America. Media idiots who never been out in the real world talk that stoopit shit.


  204. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,, I know the REAL reason BUSH invaded AFGHANISTAN,,,,,
    Not the poppies (although they are tempting)
    Not the women (not even tempting)
    Its those HATS,,,, HAMID KARZAIS type is worth fightin for…. Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 am

    Yeah, there's NOTHING RACIST about THAT COMMENT - HYPOCRITE!!!

    Now you can be like VESICA and tell everybody we should get ot of that HELL HOLE too….
    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 am

    Eventually we should, how about we keep following Osama and his cells over the border and actually CAPTURE THE GUYS THAT ATTACKED US FIRST? What do you say LOSER? Shall the GOP DO ONE THING RIGHT? I know DUMB QUESTION - you losers can't even get BATHROOM SEX DONE RIGHT!!!


  205. scooter Says:

    WHY? You think that hasnt been happening for the last 4 years?

    Comment by Vesica Piscium

    I'm quite sure that WE have been buying the WARLORDS and the TRIBAL CHIEFS for some time now,,,,

    The difference is that IRAQ progress is bad,,, AFGHANISTAN is ignored,,,,

    VESICA ,,, you better get on board and quit rippin on afghanistan or RETARD is going to come after you.
    (or you after him) LIBTARDS fightin is the best.....


  206. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Who do you think your talking to mr p, from behind your screen?

    Gorbachev?Maybe Adolph? LMAO, you sound like a fool talking all that Nazi Stalinist crap, like that idiot Oreilly. The fact is mr p I worked oin military jets, in oklahoma city, where all them naxis waz!!!! lmao, ya silly lil feck.


  207. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    Media idiots who never been out in the real world talk that stoopit shit.
    Comment by Vesica Piscium — September 10, 2007 @ 3:57 am

    That and FATASSED HOUSE BOUND GOP CONTURDS that wouldn't know the real world if syphoned all of the lard out of their cottage cheezze asses.


  208. michaelIsRetarded Says:

    RETARD,,, I know the REAL reason BUSH invaded AFGHANISTAN,,,,,
    Not the poppies (although they are tempting) Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 3:56 am

    The Taliban had almost completely stopped those, of course that dried up all of the lucrative money laundering revenue that the GOP 'businessmen' (cough) depend on so much....


  209. scooter Says:

    Can you LIBTARDS please get together and decide whether the progress in afghanistan is worth it?

    Having you two nitwits differing on this is very disconcerting to myself.... (somebody did not get the talking points)


  210. scooter Says:

    The Taliban had almost completely stopped those, of course that dried up all of the lucrative money laundering revenue that the GOP ‘businessmen’ (cough) depend on so much….

    Comment by michaelIsRetarded

    RETARD,,,, another reason for us to leave the HELLHOLE,,, right?

    Please give me one on NEW ORLEANS,,,, they are even easier than IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN,,,,,, without HALF the progress,,,,,,,


  211. Vesica Piscium Says:

    I’m quite sure that WE have been buying the WARLORDS and the TRIBAL CHIEFS for some time now,,

    Well, that doesnt stop terrorism ya know. In fact the discovery of oil in Saudi back in 1923 started alot of this mess.

    LIBTARDS fightin is the best…..Comment by scooter

    well, scooter, you'd be in for a dissapointment scooter, cause what you think is a lib is not. your talking some media shit that I have no idea what it means. other than to obfuscate te political scene.


  212. scooter Says:

    If we could just pull out of the HELL HOLE NEW ORLEANS then we could CEDE it back to FRANCE.... (we would probably have to give them some $ to compensate them)

    It's only fair,,,, the place has been a drain on the GOVT. for a hundred years.

    Don't get me started on the lack of PROGRESS there,,,,
    unless of course you count the mayer and his CHOCOLATE comments,,,, NOW thats progress


  213. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Can you LIBTARDS please get together and decide whether the progress in afghanistan is worth it

    Look, they went to afghanistan, but the messed up when didnt finish the job there. If they did they probably wouldnt need to have gone into iraq. Aghanistan is now back to where it was before the US went in. And, ya gotta agree that was a stupid move.

    Ya see these think tank slide rule Msnamara folsk thought they could fight three wars, that is three fronts, because of modern technology. It just dont work that way.


  214. scooter Says:

    LIBTARDS fightin is the best…..Comment by scooter

    well, scooter, you’d be in for a dissapointment scooter, cause what you think is a lib is not. your talking some media shit that I have no idea what it means. other than to obfuscate te political scene.

    Comment by Vesica Piscium

    VESICA,,,,, don't ever be ashamed of who you are,,,,
    It's not becoming of you.

    PS, it leaves RETARD in a quandry as he does not know whether to defend you or ripp you?


  215. Vesica Piscium Says:

    If we could just pull out of the HELL HOLE NEW ORLEANS then we could CEDE it back to FRANCE…. (we would probably have to give them some $ to compensate them) It’s only fair,,,, the place has been a drain on the GOVT. for a hundred years.

    Naw, they cut off funding for repairing the levees in 2001 for homeland security. it cost them more NOW than it would have if they fixed it in the first place, bad planning.

    Besides that, the border states, like Txas and New Mexico an Arizona cost alot due to border security, illegal aliens also take a toll on social services in those states.


  216. scooter Says:

    Look, they went to afghanistan, but the messed up when didnt finish the job there. If they did they probably wouldnt need to have gone into iraq. Aghanistan is now back to where it was before the US went in. And, ya gotta agree that was a stupid move.

    Ya see these think tank slide rule Msnamara folsk thought they could fight three wars, that is three fronts, because of modern technology. It just dont work that way.

    Comment by Vesica Piscium

    VESICA,,,,, if we went in with more troops than GOD to hold the land then the people would HATE the presence even more,,,,, we would be accused of going in heavy handed when only a few were needed.

    FAILURE has been a part of these countries for as long as anybody can remember (especially afghanistan) assuming things would be any different with more or less troops is useless.

    Stick to your guns on withdrawing from both,,,, it makes more sense than RETARD telling us to stay in 1.


  217. scooter Says:

    Besides that, the border states, like Txas and New Mexico an Arizona cost alot due to border security, illegal aliens also take a toll on social services in those states.

    Comment by Vesica Piscium

    HMMM,,,, lets put the fence up then,,,, and make sure that NEW ORLEANS is on the other side.


  218. Vesica Piscium Says:

    PS, it leaves RETARD in a quandry as he does not know whether to defend you or ripp you? Comment by scooter

    Yeh people alays try to stick people into convenient little groups, bad idea.

    But, no, its you and mrp that confuse democrats. liberal and "libertine" Texass has been a conservative democratic state for a hundred years. heck you couldnt even buy certaing things on sunday what with the baptist blue laws around here, what stores were actually open that is.


  219. Master P Says:

    And, still, the libtards can not answer scooters questions!!!!!!!!!


  220. scooter Says:

    vesica,,,, it's been a pleasure talkin with ya,,,
    RETARD,,,, with your language, less so


  221. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Let me make it easy on you, since you so depserately need to try and group me.

    Im not on welfare
    I dont do drugs
    I have a 19 year old kid.
    I am not on social security
    I have worked since i was 15
    Tax cuts for the top 1o% do not create jobs, thats a myth.
    I dont agree with people using the system and living off welfare
    I am not a libertine
    The Iraq war should have never have happened
    It was Afghan that had terror camps.


  222. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by Master P — September 10, 2007 @ 4:19 am
    And he never answered mine.

    Sponge college kid. grow up and stop acting like a 7th grader running around the internet acting a fool.
    ~~~~~~~~~
    .with your language, less so
    Comment by scooter
    l
    I speak caucasian, what stuff you type I have no idea what you cal that. CAPS HERE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THERE
    SPACE HERE OL Bill,,,,,,,,,,THERE......Afghan here

    Iraq there. ,,,,Filibusters here....

    Makes no sense, its not structured. Reminds me of some stuff my daughter woukd text.. MY BFF LOL GN TTYL TTFN


  223. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007

    I put your age at about,,19 maybe 20.

    Another kid on the net with no life experience, no travel, no job skills, never been on a military base, thinks they know what they cannot see.


  224. Tobey Tall Says:

    Congress needs to throw the switch and cut off the money. There's enough in the pipeline to safely evacuate American troops from Iraq. If Congress doesn't do that, American troops will be in Iraq and dying for years to come, because you can bet your cowboy boots that's exactly the plan.

    And by the way, don't be fooled by this business of Bush claiming to do what the generals want. That's a deliberate deception. It is the generals who do – and say – what they think their commander in chief wants them to do and say. Their careers are at his mercy, and they know it.

    As a rule of thumb, don't believe anybody above the rank of lieutenant colonel. That's the rank most warriors are forced to retire at. Most of the rest are politicians in uniform.

    http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=11582


  225. ace Says:

    The recent Bin Laden tape and the Media's related talking points is telegraphing a SET UP.

    Your Shadow Government is going to nuke you, and the media has just run through a test of how they will all blame the Democrats for purportedly empowering Bin Laden (who does not exist) to attack America again.

    This bit of psyops is a brazen attack against all who would dissent against the President's policies. Following the nuclear strike by our government against our own people, the Dictator will declare that all dissent is criminal, and the Democratic Party will be abolished.

    If patriotic and duty-bound military leaders do not step in to protect and defend the Constitution against these Domestic Enemies, we are going to be attacked within the next ten days, to be blamed on Osama & the Democrats & Iran in a conflated stew of confusion - and the result will be Martial Law, forever.

    The Israel-firsters are gaming you, and the game is nearly won. They clearly control the media/message.


  226. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Fine, let me seperate your posts and reply to each point

    VESICA,,,,, if we went in with more troops than GOD to hold the land then the people would HATE the presence even more,,,,, we would be accused of going in heavy handed when only a few were needed.

    Thats not true, the Generals had asked for some 4-500,000 troops to secure the country. Rumsfeld and the think-tank brigade with their high tech 'Shock and Awe' plan thought it could be done with less. The fact is the 'few are needed' is not true, as YOU see today.
    We dropped alot of muntions, Shock and Awe was heavy handed, with not enough boots on the ground.

    FAILURE has been a part of these countries for as long as anybody can remember (especially afghanistan) assuming things would be any different with more or less troops is useless.

    They dont see their way of life as a failure, they have beed doing the same thing for a thousand years. America is a young upstart in their eyes.

    Stick to your guns on withdrawing from both,,,, it makes more sense than RETARD telling us to stay in 1. -scooter

    First off, I am not talking about my wants, but how this wil probably play out. We will not be totally withdrawing from Iraq, as the bases, and US embassy are pretty much permanent, the bulk of the troops will likely redeploy to Kuwait and border areas, but this gets them out of the line of fire while the Iraiqs settle their differences. Maliki will probably be replaced at some point in the next 12-18 months. Hopefully they can hold onto Democracy and keep the Sharian law out of politics.

    Afghanistan is back to its prewar strength, its they who give Osama the most likely ability to create terror camps and a saf Haven. The troops will probably pull back from Iraq first. Allowing the US to secure Afghanistan and clean up this mess create by the Chaos Hawks. While staying in a position to keep Iran at bay.

    As well, it would help if people like Mr P, and the meida would stop making such racial remarks and stop calling IRAQ a war, it makes things more difficult when there is talk of World Wars and Caliphates. The war on terror will continue, no one disagrees with that and we should probably learn to separate the Freedom Operation from the GWOT and make the definitions clear. When I hear people talk of the WAR I dont know if there talking of securing Iraq or the GWOT.

    This is speculation, my opinion, and how I think it may play out.

    OUT.


  227. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by ace — September 10, 2007 @ 5:10 am

    Well Ace I disagree. There is not much dissent, there are no large scale protests against the war. Another atack on America would not be good during this Aministration, it would make them look terribly weak on security. A nuke going off in America may cause marshall law but those two together would collapse the economy, and thats what is keeping us going at this point. It takes time to defund a war, as in Vietnam it took some time. Bush has said this will go for a decade and were 4 years into it.


  228. Tobey Tall Says:

    The official said 1,980 Iraqis had been killed in July and that violent deaths soared in August, to 2,890.


  229. Tobey Tall Says:

    check this phycotic republican congress member

    U.S. Congress IN Uproar By Womans Choice of Words

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=506_1189332649

    WOW real nutter how did see ever get voted for ................



  230. razzmatazz Says:

    This is the most troll infested thread on the net! Scanning the commentary this morning makes it clear that there is no good reason to even attempt to engage in serious repartee on TP any longer.

    This is the most unintelligent, idiotic bunch of troll blather that I've ever seen on any blogsite, bar none.


  231. Heleobia Piscium Says:

    marshall law

    Is that the same as the Marshall Plan? Its 'martial' law, as in when the military takes control of the normal administration of justice.

    You twithead gobface.


  232. Menehune Says:

    The surge will go on...they will kick the can down the road to March because the Dems forfeited their chance to stop this insanity before it began. In March, they will kick the can again because, by that time, the Dems will be in full election mode, and therefore afraid to cast any vote that could appear in red meat campaign ads against them. Bush runs out the clock. President Thompson inhereits the Iran war.


  233. ace Says:

    The economy is already damaged beyond repair. the Central Banksters have run their last inflation scam (stock market bubble 1, Real estate bubble, and stock market bubble 2) and have kept the plates spinning for as long as they possibly could. It's all poised for imminent collapse - and they're just happy to have anyone other than themselves and their money management practices to blame it on.

    The Federal Reserve is a division of Rockefeller, Inc. - and trust me, he's positioned to get even more rich by shorting the US economy than he did inflating the assets of americans to unsustainable heights.

    Remember how the World Bank and Central Banks came to take control of third world countries simply by loaning them more money than they could ever repay? Look at Greenspan's cheer leading of the real estate bubble, and tell me this isn't the exact same game, being played out on an individual level.

    Remember how they took away the bankruptcy protections?

    Got compliant citizens, in debt to the banksters and the system?

    Got indentured servitude?

    Where will all of the new troops come from to continue their 100 year war? From the debtor class - same place they'll get all of the labor from to repair the nation's infrastructure.

    Got homelessness in the millions? Got soup lines? Got Depression?

    Coming soon to a Zionist-controlled country near you.


  234. razzmatazz Says:

    Ace: Truer words were never spoken. The next great depression is not far off for this country. All of the indicators as well as the instigators who are enabling it have fallen into place. Soon it may be time to put our money back under our mattresses? Surely we can't trust any of these world-class manipulators who are gaming our federal government.


  235. razzmatazz Says:

    We're now trillions upon trillions into debt (mostly owned by the Chinese to whom we've sold worthless mortgage paper, ahem) so where is the continued surge dinero and manpower going to come from? Thin air??


  236. LoPo Says:

    When in doubt blame the Jooos/Zionists/BigBiz/Jooos/Republicans/Joooos.

    But never yourself.


  237. Bill Says:

    I was reading a new story on Yahoo!! about how liberals and radical righties think especially around new situations. The liberals were found to be flexible and forward thinking while the cons were found to be inflexible and rigid. How true. Iraq proves this theory to a tee.


  238. DanCaveman Says:

    Will you now sign up to go to AFGHANISTAN?

    Comment by scooter — September 10, 2007 @ 1:25 am

    YES...I re-signed up to go to Iraq even though I didn't agree with invading because my country needed me. Little did I know that this administration would undermine everything we were fighting for. Now I am fighting to get American back on the track to greatness and to stop misusing and abusing our patriotic men and women in uniform.

    I would re-sign in an instant if I thought this country was under attack or there was a viable threat ESPECIALLY if the military was stressed to the limit like it is now. That's the difference, I will fight for what I believe in - and I believe in the IDEALS of this country and its constitution.

    I answered your question. So back to the original question - why don't you sign up to fight for what you believe in?


  239. LoPo Says:

    The liberals were found to be flexible and forward thinking while the cons were found to be inflexible and rigid.

    Wait, dont tell me, this was an article about the George Lakoff book? Or was this another 'study' commissioned by MorOn.org?

    You troglodyte fools will believe anything.


  240. DanCaveman Says:

    LoPo, how about this information. I posted it on another thread, but it is relevant here too.

    It doesn't matter how many facts we have, the war mongers will believe what they want. This administration forces out anyone of the top brass that does not give them the answers they want. Before I am accused of only looking at the information that agrees with me, let's review:

    1. Major General John Batiste
    - Said Rumsfeld threatened to fire anyone who discussed conflicting views
    - Retired to speak out against the occupation
    - WSJ would not post insight from a TWO STAR general on the occupation

    2. General Eric Shinseki - (4 star general for the military illiterate)
    - suggested several hundred thousand troops necessary if we invaded Iraq
    - ignored pre-invasion

    3. LT. General Gregory Newbold - (3 stars)
    - Retired in 2002 openly criticizing Donal Rumsfeld's plans fro invation
    - Retired in protest
    - suggested 500,000 troops necesary
    - Wrote a very insightful TIME article "Why Iraq was a mistake"

    4. Lt General Anthony Zinni
    - Says it was a mistake to support Bush in 2000
    - Supported Jim Webb in last election
    - Presented plan about what was necessary to invade Iraq - was ignored
    - Outlined 10 majore criticisms of the Iraq Invasion in May of 2004

    5. Many retired Generals (8 I believe) wrote an open letter to the President about their concern about torture policy.

    There are more, I am sure, but I don't have them all here. This is UNPRECIDENTED. Never before in the history of our country have so many of the TOP military spoken out against an administration. Although I will listen to the Patraeus report and weigh it on its merits, I have low expectations, because anyone being honest or saying what the administration does not want to hear is forced out or marginalized.

    Let's not forget that these Generals were traditionally Republican - not to mention they have great combined combat experience. You can not accuse these men of "hating America" or "wanting the US to fail". When will people wake up?


  241. Jay Vaughan Says:

    Who cares what Petraeus has to say about things .. I don't.

    I want to hear what the Pentagon has to say about Blackwater and the other vigilante forces in their battlefield. Unless there is key and accurate coverage of these forces, nothing is as it seems..


  242. onlypost Says:

    My God, the trolls here are terrible. Not only do you all spout the same tired bullshit, as always, you never back it up with any substantial evidence. You come here because nobody will pay you any attention in your pathetic lives.

    Scooter your life must really suck, because you've made over a dozen pointless comments on this thread. I take it you are unemployed and still living at home like most of your righty friends here?

    You talk shit about Clinton, but Reagan didn't do shit. He was the terrorists' best bud. Marine barracks bombed in Beirut. Reagan's response: nothing. Well, he did sell some weapons to Iran.

    Have fun blowing more hot air out your ass. Peace!


  243. upright left Says:

    and then maybe davy betray-us will give your wife a poke when you come home without legs or a face.

    Comment by Rapture — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18

    Gotta love that lib "higher level of discourse" Making Liz Edwards proud daily! ;)


  244. Jim Says:

    George Botch is horrible.


  245. Kit Says:

    I don't know how many times it's been said in the 200-odd comments before me, but:

    The Dems control both houses. If everyone wants us out, then why doesn't the Democrat-controlled Congress just MOVE FORWARD (I know, I should have said "move on")?

    The Dems should CUT FUNDING to the war. They have the power to do so.

    If the public is against it, Bush veto-ing such measures will only skewer the Repubs in the next election, correct?

    So the Dems either get what they want, or force Bush into actions that hurt his party.

    What am I missing here? Why are you all howling as if you're impotent?

    You've got Congress; ACT.


  246. DanCaveman Says:

    You’ve got Congress; ACT.

    Comment by Kit — September 10, 2007 @ 11:37 am

    You are exactly right! That is why I have been to my senator's office to tell him to cut funding. That is why Congress has a dismal approval rating. The problem is that MY CONGRESS ISN'T DOING THEIR JOB. I can't walk in there and vote for them to end the funding - I have these idiots in Congress who are supposed to be doing it but are not.

    That is why we are "howling as if you’re impotent". Because even though we want out of Iraq and there is a way to do it, CONGRESS REFUSES TO DO IT.


  247. Vesica Piscium Says:

    Comment by upright left — September 10, 2007

    As compared to the Luntaic Lunztians who are incapable of rational discourse? I followed that doofus Mr P and his merry gang around the other night -their entire discourse was goign around harassing people on a blog and flooding it with text. mrp even wroye death to zoo [zooey a poster here and at TP zoo] at least a thouand times, if not more. And YOU upright left, you think this remark of yours is what? Cute, funny, even true? Its none of those. its lame, its old and it isnt even worth posting nor it even discourse. Meet Iggy P clone.


  248. upright left Says:

    As compared to the Luntaic Lunztians who are incapable of rational discourse? I followed that doofus Mr P and his merry gang around the other night -their entire discourse was goign around harassing people on a blog and flooding it with text. mrp even wroye death to zoo [zooey a poster here and at TP zoo] at least a thouand times, if not more. And YOU upright left, you think this remark of yours is what? Cute, funny, even true? Its none of those. its lame, its old and it isnt even worth posting nor it even discourse. Meet Iggy P clone.

    Comment by Vesica Piscium — September 10, 2007 @ 11:55 am

    I'd say my comment is at least as true as your repeated "Luntzian" posts. And how about if you don't attribute the posts of other righties to me and I won't attribute the posts of other lefties to you. The last time I checked, one person acting inappropriately doesn't make it ok for others to do the same. I'm sure you'll agree there really is no excuse for the behavior of those you mentioned nor the one I mentioned. ;)


  249. American Says:

    If you want your country back VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!


  250. dnbkid Says:

    "They will great us as liberators"



  251. the Mocha Messiah Says:

    >Notice how the Libtards still can’t answer any of scooters questions!!!!!!

    You mean the ones about how we should withdraw from AL-ORLEANS and send the NEGROES to IRAQ to replace the ASIANS (who are SUPERIOR, unless your a RACIST!!!)?

    Or you mean his absurd hypotheticals about how we'd feel if Petraeus/betrayus, (the man who insisted we were "making progress" in iraq in 2004 right before the electrion to help bush) suddenly decided to become honest and admit that our bribes to saddam's henchman are having more effect than the surge is. Gee, I dont know, how would I feel about the stuff that comes out my assh0le if I started sh1tting gold coins?

    90 percent of scooters questions are absurd, or ridiculously hypothetical.
    Also, he cant even speak english right. I didnt know inbred rednecks existed outside the usa, so hes either some freakishly uneducated neocon
    moron foreigner, or he's on of mr p's aliases, which he created so he wouldnt be restrained by anything resembling logic or proper sentence structure. the more I see mr. P yapping about him, the more I think it might be just another P imaginary friend. Now if scooter starts compimenting Mr. P for good attendance at his community college courses, that will clinch it..

    Speaking of not answering questions, im STILL looking for an answer as to how how Bin Laden's anti-tax, pro-flat tax, anti-hollywood, anti-abortion, anti-communist stance doesnt mean that you rightards agree with him about some things....


  252. StealThisOpinion Says:

    Scooter(On Afghanistan): We have been there longer, and yet you don’t hear the crap about us HAVING to leave.

    Durrr....Thats because we actually have a purpose in Afghanistan...remember...that Arab dude that attacked us...and we never caught? Remember him?

    There is no progress in that country due to the bullshit war being fought in Iraq

    Or did you forget in the midst of the lies that lead us to War in Iraq? Or the Anthrax in the mail? Or the dismemberment of our civil liberties? Or Bush saying that Osama didnt matter? Or Bush catching Saddam("the guy that tried to kill his daddy")?

    What made you forget?

    Or do you just ignore it?



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