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		<title>By: StealThisOpinion</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/the-chart-petraeus-wont-show/comment-page-6/#comment-4074360</link>
		<dc:creator>StealThisOpinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scooter(On Afghanistan): We have been there longer, and yet you donâ€™t hear the crap about us HAVING to leave.

Durrr....Thats because we actually have a purpose in Afghanistan...remember...that Arab dude that attacked us...and we never caught?  Remember him?

There is no progress in that country due to the bullshit war being fought in Iraq

Or did you forget in the midst of the lies that lead us to War in Iraq?  Or the Anthrax in the mail?  Or the dismemberment of our civil liberties?  Or Bush saying that Osama didnt matter? Or Bush catching Saddam(&quot;the guy that tried to kill his daddy&quot;)? 

What made you forget?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scooter(On Afghanistan): We have been there longer, and yet you donâ€™t hear the crap about us HAVING to leave.</p>
<p>Durrr&#8230;.Thats because we actually have a purpose in Afghanistan&#8230;remember&#8230;that Arab dude that attacked us&#8230;and we never caught?  Remember him?</p>
<p>There is no progress in that country due to the bullshit war being fought in Iraq</p>
<p>Or did you forget in the midst of the lies that lead us to War in Iraq?  Or the Anthrax in the mail?  Or the dismemberment of our civil liberties?  Or Bush saying that Osama didnt matter? Or Bush catching Saddam(&#8221;the guy that tried to kill his daddy&#8221;)? </p>
<p>What made you forget?</p>
<p>Or do you just ignore it?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4074360', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: the Mocha Messiah</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/the-chart-petraeus-wont-show/comment-page-6/#comment-4069340</link>
		<dc:creator>the Mocha Messiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Notice how the Libtards still canâ€™t answer any of scooters questions!!!!!!

You mean the ones about how we should withdraw from AL-ORLEANS and send the NEGROES to IRAQ to replace the ASIANS (who are SUPERIOR, unless your a RACIST!!!)?

Or you mean  his absurd hypotheticals about how we&#039;d feel if Petraeus/betrayus, (the man who insisted we were &quot;making progress&quot; in iraq in 2004 right before the electrion to help bush) suddenly decided to become honest and admit that our bribes to saddam&#039;s henchman are having more effect than the surge is. Gee, I dont know, how would I feel about the stuff that comes out my assh0le if I started sh1tting gold coins?

90 percent of scooters questions are absurd, or ridiculously hypothetical.
Also, he cant even speak english right. I didnt know inbred rednecks existed outside the usa, so hes either some freakishly uneducated neocon
moron foreigner, or he&#039;s on of mr p&#039;s aliases, which he created so he wouldnt be restrained by anything resembling logic or proper sentence structure. the more I see mr. P yapping about him, the more I think it might be just another P imaginary friend. Now if scooter starts compimenting Mr. P for good attendance at his community college courses, that will clinch it..

Speaking of not answering questions, im STILL looking for an answer as to how how Bin Laden&#039;s anti-tax, pro-flat tax, anti-hollywood, anti-abortion, anti-communist stance doesnt mean that you rightards agree with him about some things....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Notice how the Libtards still canâ€™t answer any of scooters questions!!!!!!</p>
<p>You mean the ones about how we should withdraw from AL-ORLEANS and send the NEGROES to IRAQ to replace the ASIANS (who are SUPERIOR, unless your a RACIST!!!)?</p>
<p>Or you mean  his absurd hypotheticals about how we&#8217;d feel if Petraeus/betrayus, (the man who insisted we were &#8220;making progress&#8221; in iraq in 2004 right before the electrion to help bush) suddenly decided to become honest and admit that our bribes to saddam&#8217;s henchman are having more effect than the surge is. Gee, I dont know, how would I feel about the stuff that comes out my assh0le if I started sh1tting gold coins?</p>
<p>90 percent of scooters questions are absurd, or ridiculously hypothetical.<br />
Also, he cant even speak english right. I didnt know inbred rednecks existed outside the usa, so hes either some freakishly uneducated neocon<br />
moron foreigner, or he&#8217;s on of mr p&#8217;s aliases, which he created so he wouldnt be restrained by anything resembling logic or proper sentence structure. the more I see mr. P yapping about him, the more I think it might be just another P imaginary friend. Now if scooter starts compimenting Mr. P for good attendance at his community college courses, that will clinch it..</p>
<p>Speaking of not answering questions, im STILL looking for an answer as to how how Bin Laden&#8217;s anti-tax, pro-flat tax, anti-hollywood, anti-abortion, anti-communist stance doesnt mean that you rightards agree with him about some things&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4069340', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dnbkid</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnbkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dnbkid</title>
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		<dc:creator>dnbkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They will great us as liberators&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They will great us as liberators&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4069260', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
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		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want your country back VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: upright left</title>
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		<dc:creator>upright left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As compared to the Luntaic Lunztians who are incapable of rational discourse? I followed that doofus Mr P and his merry gang around the other night -their entire discourse was goign around harassing people on a blog and flooding it with text. mrp even wroye death to zoo [zooey a poster here and at TP zoo] at least a thouand times, if not more. And YOU upright left, you think this remark of yours is what? Cute, funny, even true? Its none of those. its lame, its old and it isnt even worth posting nor it even discourse. Meet Iggy P clone.

Comment by Vesica Piscium â€” September 10, 2007 @ 11:55 am

I&#039;d say my comment is at least as true as your repeated &quot;Luntzian&quot; posts.  And how about if you don&#039;t attribute the posts of other righties to me and I won&#039;t attribute the posts of other lefties to you.  The last time I checked, one person acting inappropriately doesn&#039;t make it ok for others to do the same.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree there really is no excuse for the behavior of those you mentioned nor the one I mentioned.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As compared to the Luntaic Lunztians who are incapable of rational discourse? I followed that doofus Mr P and his merry gang around the other night -their entire discourse was goign around harassing people on a blog and flooding it with text. mrp even wroye death to zoo [zooey a poster here and at TP zoo] at least a thouand times, if not more. And YOU upright left, you think this remark of yours is what? Cute, funny, even true? Its none of those. its lame, its old and it isnt even worth posting nor it even discourse. Meet Iggy P clone.</p>
<p>Comment by Vesica Piscium â€” September 10, 2007 @ 11:55 am</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say my comment is at least as true as your repeated &#8220;Luntzian&#8221; posts.  And how about if you don&#8217;t attribute the posts of other righties to me and I won&#8217;t attribute the posts of other lefties to you.  The last time I checked, one person acting inappropriately doesn&#8217;t make it ok for others to do the same.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree there really is no excuse for the behavior of those you mentioned nor the one I mentioned.  ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4068123', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Vesica Piscium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vesica Piscium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by upright left â€” September 10, 2007 

As compared to the Luntaic Lunztians who are incapable of rational discourse?  I followed that doofus Mr P and his merry gang around the other night -their entire discourse was goign around harassing people on a blog and flooding it with text. mrp even wroye death to zoo [zooey a poster here and at TP zoo] at least a thouand times, if not more. And YOU upright left, you think this remark of yours is what? Cute, funny, even true? Its none of those. its lame, its old and it isnt even worth posting nor it even discourse.  Meet Iggy P clone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by upright left â€” September 10, 2007 </p>
<p>As compared to the Luntaic Lunztians who are incapable of rational discourse?  I followed that doofus Mr P and his merry gang around the other night -their entire discourse was goign around harassing people on a blog and flooding it with text. mrp even wroye death to zoo [zooey a poster here and at TP zoo] at least a thouand times, if not more. And YOU upright left, you think this remark of yours is what? Cute, funny, even true? Its none of those. its lame, its old and it isnt even worth posting nor it even discourse.  Meet Iggy P clone.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067914', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DanCaveman</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanCaveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Youâ€™ve got Congress; ACT.

Comment by Kit â€” September 10, 2007 @ 11:37 am&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are exactly right!  That is why I have been to my senator&#039;s office to tell him to cut funding.  That is why Congress has a dismal approval rating.  The problem is that MY CONGRESS ISN&#039;T DOING THEIR JOB.  I can&#039;t walk in there and vote for them to end the funding - I have these idiots in Congress who are supposed to be doing it but are not.

That is why we are &quot;howling as if youâ€™re impotent&quot;.  Because even though we want out of Iraq and there is a way to do it, CONGRESS REFUSES TO DO IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Youâ€™ve got Congress; ACT.</p>
<p>Comment by Kit â€” September 10, 2007 @ 11:37 am</em>
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<p>You are exactly right!  That is why I have been to my senator&#8217;s office to tell him to cut funding.  That is why Congress has a dismal approval rating.  The problem is that MY CONGRESS ISN&#8217;T DOING THEIR JOB.  I can&#8217;t walk in there and vote for them to end the funding &#8211; I have these idiots in Congress who are supposed to be doing it but are not.</p>
<p>That is why we are &#8220;howling as if youâ€™re impotent&#8221;.  Because even though we want out of Iraq and there is a way to do it, CONGRESS REFUSES TO DO IT.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067886', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how many times it&#039;s been said in the 200-odd comments before me, but:

The Dems control both houses.  If everyone wants us out, then why doesn&#039;t the Democrat-controlled Congress just MOVE FORWARD (I know, I should have said &quot;move on&quot;)?

The Dems should CUT FUNDING to the war.  They have the power to do so.

If the public is against it, Bush veto-ing such measures will only skewer the Repubs in the next election, correct?

So the Dems either get what they want, or force Bush into actions that hurt his party.

What am I missing here?  Why are you all howling as if you&#039;re impotent?

You&#039;ve got Congress; ACT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how many times it&#8217;s been said in the 200-odd comments before me, but:</p>
<p>The Dems control both houses.  If everyone wants us out, then why doesn&#8217;t the Democrat-controlled Congress just MOVE FORWARD (I know, I should have said &#8220;move on&#8221;)?</p>
<p>The Dems should CUT FUNDING to the war.  They have the power to do so.</p>
<p>If the public is against it, Bush veto-ing such measures will only skewer the Repubs in the next election, correct?</p>
<p>So the Dems either get what they want, or force Bush into actions that hurt his party.</p>
<p>What am I missing here?  Why are you all howling as if you&#8217;re impotent?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got Congress; ACT.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067874', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Botch is horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Botch is horrible.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067863', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: upright left</title>
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		<dc:creator>upright left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and then maybe davy betray-us will give your wife a poke when you come home without legs or a face.

Comment by Rapture â€” September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 

Gotta love that lib &quot;higher level of discourse&quot;  Making Liz Edwards proud daily!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and then maybe davy betray-us will give your wife a poke when you come home without legs or a face.</p>
<p>Comment by Rapture â€” September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 </p>
<p>Gotta love that lib &#8220;higher level of discourse&#8221;  Making Liz Edwards proud daily!  ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067855', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: onlypost</title>
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		<dc:creator>onlypost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My God, the trolls here are terrible. Not only do you all spout the same tired bullshit, as always, you never back it up with any substantial evidence. You come here because nobody will pay you any attention in your pathetic lives.

Scooter your life must really suck, because you&#039;ve made over a dozen pointless comments on this thread. I take it you are unemployed and still living at home like most of your righty friends here?

You talk shit about Clinton, but Reagan didn&#039;t do shit. He was the terrorists&#039; best bud. Marine barracks bombed in Beirut. Reagan&#039;s response: nothing. Well, he did sell some weapons to Iran.

Have fun blowing more hot air out your ass. Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My God, the trolls here are terrible. Not only do you all spout the same tired bullshit, as always, you never back it up with any substantial evidence. You come here because nobody will pay you any attention in your pathetic lives.</p>
<p>Scooter your life must really suck, because you&#8217;ve made over a dozen pointless comments on this thread. I take it you are unemployed and still living at home like most of your righty friends here?</p>
<p>You talk shit about Clinton, but Reagan didn&#8217;t do shit. He was the terrorists&#8217; best bud. Marine barracks bombed in Beirut. Reagan&#8217;s response: nothing. Well, he did sell some weapons to Iran.</p>
<p>Have fun blowing more hot air out your ass. Peace!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067845', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares what Petraeus has to say about things .. I don&#039;t.

I want to hear what the Pentagon has to say about Blackwater and the other vigilante forces in their battlefield.  Unless there is key and accurate coverage of these forces, nothing is as it seems..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares what Petraeus has to say about things .. I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I want to hear what the Pentagon has to say about Blackwater and the other vigilante forces in their battlefield.  Unless there is key and accurate coverage of these forces, nothing is as it seems..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067830', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DanCaveman</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanCaveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoPo, how about this information.  I posted it on another thread, but it is relevant here too.

It doesn&#039;t matter how many facts we have, the war mongers will believe what they want.  This administration forces out anyone of the top brass that does not give them the answers they want.  Before I am accused of only looking at the information that agrees with me, let&#039;s review:

1.  Major General John Batiste
    - Said Rumsfeld threatened to fire anyone who discussed conflicting views
    - Retired to speak out against the occupation
    - WSJ would not post insight from a TWO STAR general on the occupation
    
2.  General Eric Shinseki - (4 star general for the military illiterate)
    - suggested several hundred thousand troops necessary if we invaded Iraq
    - ignored pre-invasion

3.  LT. General Gregory Newbold - (3 stars)
    - Retired in 2002 openly criticizing Donal Rumsfeld&#039;s plans fro invation
    - Retired in protest
    - suggested 500,000 troops necesary
    - Wrote a very insightful TIME article &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181629,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Iraq was a mistake&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

4.  Lt General Anthony Zinni
    - Says it was a mistake to support Bush in 2000
    - Supported Jim Webb in last election
    - Presented plan about what was necessary to invade Iraq - was ignored
    - Outlined 10 majore criticisms of the Iraq Invasion in May of 2004
    
5. Many retired Generals (8 I believe) wrote an open letter to the President about their concern about torture policy.

There are more, I am sure, but I don&#039;t have them all here.  &lt;strong&gt;This is UNPRECIDENTED&lt;/strong&gt;.  Never before in the history of our country have so many of the TOP military spoken out against an administration.  Although I will listen to the Patraeus report and weigh it on its merits, I have low expectations, because anyone being honest or saying what the administration does not want to hear is forced out or marginalized.

Let&#039;s not forget that these Generals were traditionally Republican - not to mention they have great combined combat experience.  You can not accuse these men of &quot;hating America&quot; or &quot;wanting the US to fail&quot;.  When will people wake up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoPo, how about this information.  I posted it on another thread, but it is relevant here too.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how many facts we have, the war mongers will believe what they want.  This administration forces out anyone of the top brass that does not give them the answers they want.  Before I am accused of only looking at the information that agrees with me, let&#8217;s review:</p>
<p>1.  Major General John Batiste<br />
    &#8211; Said Rumsfeld threatened to fire anyone who discussed conflicting views<br />
    &#8211; Retired to speak out against the occupation<br />
    &#8211; WSJ would not post insight from a TWO STAR general on the occupation</p>
<p>2.  General Eric Shinseki &#8211; (4 star general for the military illiterate)<br />
    &#8211; suggested several hundred thousand troops necessary if we invaded Iraq<br />
    &#8211; ignored pre-invasion</p>
<p>3.  LT. General Gregory Newbold &#8211; (3 stars)<br />
    &#8211; Retired in 2002 openly criticizing Donal Rumsfeld&#8217;s plans fro invation<br />
    &#8211; Retired in protest<br />
    &#8211; suggested 500,000 troops necesary<br />
    &#8211; Wrote a very insightful TIME article &#8220;<a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181629,00.html" rel="nofollow">Why Iraq was a mistake&#8221;</a></p>
<p>4.  Lt General Anthony Zinni<br />
    &#8211; Says it was a mistake to support Bush in 2000<br />
    &#8211; Supported Jim Webb in last election<br />
    &#8211; Presented plan about what was necessary to invade Iraq &#8211; was ignored<br />
    &#8211; Outlined 10 majore criticisms of the Iraq Invasion in May of 2004</p>
<p>5. Many retired Generals (8 I believe) wrote an open letter to the President about their concern about torture policy.</p>
<p>There are more, I am sure, but I don&#8217;t have them all here.  <strong>This is UNPRECIDENTED</strong>.  Never before in the history of our country have so many of the TOP military spoken out against an administration.  Although I will listen to the Patraeus report and weigh it on its merits, I have low expectations, because anyone being honest or saying what the administration does not want to hear is forced out or marginalized.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that these Generals were traditionally Republican &#8211; not to mention they have great combined combat experience.  You can not accuse these men of &#8220;hating America&#8221; or &#8220;wanting the US to fail&#8221;.  When will people wake up?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067787', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: LoPo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/the-chart-petraeus-wont-show/comment-page-5/#comment-4067757</link>
		<dc:creator>LoPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The liberals were found to be flexible and forward thinking while the cons were found to be inflexible and rigid.&lt;/i&gt;

Wait, dont tell me, this was an article about the George Lakoff book?  Or was this another &#039;study&#039; commissioned by MorOn.org?

You troglodyte fools will believe anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The liberals were found to be flexible and forward thinking while the cons were found to be inflexible and rigid.</i></p>
<p>Wait, dont tell me, this was an article about the George Lakoff book?  Or was this another &#8217;study&#8217; commissioned by MorOn.org?</p>
<p>You troglodyte fools will believe anything.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067757', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DanCaveman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/the-chart-petraeus-wont-show/comment-page-5/#comment-4067711</link>
		<dc:creator>DanCaveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Will you now sign up to go to AFGHANISTAN?

Comment by scooter â€” September 10, 2007 @ 1:25 am
&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


YES...I re-signed up to go to Iraq even though I didn&#039;t agree with invading because my country needed me.  Little did I know that this administration would undermine everything we were fighting for.  Now I am fighting to get American back on the track to greatness and to stop misusing and abusing our patriotic men and women in uniform.

I would re-sign in an instant if I thought this country was under attack or there was a viable threat ESPECIALLY if the military was stressed to the limit like it is now.  That&#039;s the difference, I will fight for what I believe in - and I believe in the IDEALS of this country and its constitution.

I answered your question.  So back to the original question - why don&#039;t you sign up to fight for what you believe in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Will you now sign up to go to AFGHANISTAN?</p>
<p>Comment by scooter â€” September 10, 2007 @ 1:25 am<br />
</em>
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<p>YES&#8230;I re-signed up to go to Iraq even though I didn&#8217;t agree with invading because my country needed me.  Little did I know that this administration would undermine everything we were fighting for.  Now I am fighting to get American back on the track to greatness and to stop misusing and abusing our patriotic men and women in uniform.</p>
<p>I would re-sign in an instant if I thought this country was under attack or there was a viable threat ESPECIALLY if the military was stressed to the limit like it is now.  That&#8217;s the difference, I will fight for what I believe in &#8211; and I believe in the IDEALS of this country and its constitution.</p>
<p>I answered your question.  So back to the original question &#8211; why don&#8217;t you sign up to fight for what you believe in?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067711', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading a new story on Yahoo!! about how liberals and radical righties think especially around new situations. The liberals were found to be flexible and forward thinking while the cons were found to be inflexible and rigid. How true. Iraq proves this theory to a tee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading a new story on Yahoo!! about how liberals and radical righties think especially around new situations. The liberals were found to be flexible and forward thinking while the cons were found to be inflexible and rigid. How true. Iraq proves this theory to a tee.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067709', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: LoPo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/10/the-chart-petraeus-wont-show/comment-page-5/#comment-4067698</link>
		<dc:creator>LoPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When in doubt blame the Jooos/Zionists/BigBiz/Jooos/Republicans/Joooos.

But never yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in doubt blame the Jooos/Zionists/BigBiz/Jooos/Republicans/Joooos.</p>
<p>But never yourself.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067698', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: razzmatazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>razzmatazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re now trillions upon trillions into debt (mostly owned by the Chinese to whom we&#039;ve sold worthless mortgage paper, ahem) so where is the continued surge dinero and manpower going to come from?  Thin air??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re now trillions upon trillions into debt (mostly owned by the Chinese to whom we&#8217;ve sold worthless mortgage paper, ahem) so where is the continued surge dinero and manpower going to come from?  Thin air??<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067690', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: razzmatazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>razzmatazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ace:  Truer words were never spoken.  The next great depression is not far off for this country.  All of the indicators as well as the instigators who are enabling it have fallen into place.  Soon it may be time to put our money back under our mattresses?  Surely we can&#039;t trust any of these world-class manipulators who are gaming our federal government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ace:  Truer words were never spoken.  The next great depression is not far off for this country.  All of the indicators as well as the instigators who are enabling it have fallen into place.  Soon it may be time to put our money back under our mattresses?  Surely we can&#8217;t trust any of these world-class manipulators who are gaming our federal government.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4067689', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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