National Review: Don’t. Ever. Leave.
National Review: Don’t. Ever. Leave.
In its May 9, 2005 issue, the National Review featured a cover proclaiming, “We’re Winning,” accompanied by a breathless cover story by National Review editor Rich Lowry:
It is time to say it unequivocally: We are winning in Iraq.
If current trends continue, our counter-insurgent campaign in Iraq will be fit to be mentioned in the same breath as the British victory over a Communist insurgency in Malaysia in the 1950s, a textbook example of this form of war.
After two years of “winning,” the National Review believes the war can still be won. From its new Sept. 24 issue:
This war can still be won, but only if we have the nerve and the patience to see it through. Recent events on the ground, strategic interest, and morality all point to only one imperative: Stay.
Stay . . . so we can pass this mess to the next administration. This is President Bush’s quagmire - Bush, Bremer, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Roe et al. and the GOP cannot escape it, or history.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:05 pmMadness is sad.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:05 pmStill crazy after all these years.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:07 pmMadness is indeed sad.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWe are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:07 pmTo paraphrase Emile Zola:
Win for the honor of the National Review?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:09 pmIf William F. Buckley were dead already, he’d be turning over in his grave about this.
What is with the National Review anyway? Is it in a footrace with little Billy Krystol to be the first to fall off the cliff along with GDumbya and the Keystone Kops?
The depth of denial and sheer ignorance of these right-wing wacko rags is beyond belief.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:10 pmStay so that the Bushies can make more money.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pmHey, Jake D, go back to history class. I’d give you a D for your observation, it is so lacking of understanding of Korea and Iraq. But what esle can be said, the Pres. has already used all the other conflicts for “positive” comparison.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThat cover is nothing short of outrageous. Warmongers are quick to advocate war as long as it is someone else who is fighting their wars. Perhaps the superpatriots at the National Review have somehow believed that Iraqis have attacked the U.S. instead of the fact that the U.S. has illegally invaded and occupied Iraq. While reading Stanley Karnow’s “Vietnam-A History”, perhaps the definitive work regarding the debacle in Vietnam, it seems apparent that the old adage “The more things change, the more they remain the same” is extremely relevant to what is going on in Iraq today.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pm#5:
Yes, but Korea isn’t Iraq.
I believe there were what, 0 car bombs in Korea last year?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pmCarlos Hartmann = ronjazz
September 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pmThe reason why so many of these people will never back down from the “We can win this if we just keep doing what we’re doing” argument is that you can never get them to admit that invading Iraq was a monumental mistake from the outset. Once you realize what a horrendous flustercluck the very idea was, it becomes clear that no positive outcome can arise from this war.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:14 pmMy best analogy is of a painting restoration studio at a museum where they restore old paintings. Say you have a painting with a bit of schmutz on it. If, instead of carefully working on the particular bit of crud, you simply splash the painting with paint thinner there is no way to have a positive outcome no matter how much thinner you continue to throw at it.
MNDem and Dennis Raines:
In some ways, Saddam was MORE dangerous than any madman in Korea.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSad little liar you are lid. Very Orwellian of you to change the news to fit your story. Fox may have some openings.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:15 pmLowry is a fathead of the first order. My local newspaper is plagued with syndicated appearances of his column, which is invariably loaded with right wing propaganda, such as invoking “Al Qaeda” about 20 times in a discussion of Iraq, as though Al Qaeda was a significant force there.
Read what a true conservative, as opposed to a “conservative” has to say about Iraq:
George Will, “A War Still Seeking a Mission”
September 11th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“He is a frequent poster on a radical website called Think Progress.”
A right-wingrant making up information to support their rabid ideology.
I’m sure your ISP would lead back to Fox News.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:16 pmWe are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D.
One very big distinction which is lost on idiots like Jake. We are in Korea on their invitation. They want us there. The citizens of Iraq want us gone. They consider us to be occupiers. There is no “war” in Iraq to win. There is only an occupation and there is no way to “win” an occupation.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:16 pmAnd in most ways you are wrong Jake D.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:16 pmEven General Petraeus states that the effort in Iraq is not making the United States any safer. So what the heck is going on with this magazine? They must be living in some sort of twisted reality.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:17 pm“some ways?” Such as? Compared to?
The Korean war wasn’t about madmen, and doing away with evil doers… and Kim Jong Il already HAD/HAS WMD’s.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:17 pmMaybe they should drop the National Review as leaflets over Iraq?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFor the record, the current government of Iraq can ask us to leave any time they want . . .
September 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pmIn some ways, Saddam was MORE dangerous than any madman in Korea.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
In so many ways, this is the stupidest of your incredibly stupid comments. Saddam was more dangerous than Kim Il-Sung? Do you ever even stop to think before you post comments like that?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:18 pmJake D’s history class is accurate. Democrat Presidents got us involved in the last three wars (Sorry, Grenada doesn’t count) before the Gulf War. I think all three were justified and showed sound leadership. When did the extreme anti-war faction of the Democratic Party take over? Roosevelt and Churchill were men of their times - Neville Chamberlain was not. I think George Soros and Think Progress are the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain. Congratulations.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pmNo one in Korea paid terrorist suicide bomber families $25,000.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:20 pmIf you say it enough it will be true ….NOT! The troops know we’re losing and now the White House is working hard on getting those oil contracts with Iraq.
Thousands of more soldiers will die for the greed of the White House while the media supports this. Now our troops see even their leaders are not willing to stand up for them. General Petraeus represents the troops yet he’s willing to let them die for nothing as he reads the report the White House gave him. We watch other Generals lie under oath about the murder of Pat Tillman while all and Rummy said it wasn’t their job.
The New Administration should hire Generals that work for the interest of our Military Soldiers, we had that once maybe we can have it again.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:20 pmFor the record, the current government of Iraq can ask us to leave any time they want . . .
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Since the current government of Iraq is only alive because they’re protected by US troops, that would be remarkably stupid. Almost as stupid as your contentions that we should stay in Iraq for 50 years or more, that Iraq is just like Korea, that Saddam was more dangerous than Kim, . . . damn, I’m running out of room and only begun to list your incredibly stupid comments.
Nothing you write here is anything but ballwashing.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:21 pmI didn’t need a history class on Korea — I lived through it.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:21 pmThats because they had tanks and planes and a real army and stuff…..
moron.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:21 pm# 8. You just blatantly lied. I read the link. You are a disgusting piece of trash.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:22 pm————
Our military is foolish. If you want to defeat Muslim nations, just infect their societies with the fatal virus known as Feminism.
It will destroy their society the same way it has destroyed America without a bullet being fired!
Seriously, the Pentagon needs to simply infect these countries with the bullshit known as womyn’s studies & feminism and they will collapse. Just make up a bunch of feminist lies and go for it! Guaranteed Success!
Next thing you know, all of the muslim men will become pussified, feminized pushovers that are easily controlled. Just like American Men!
Victory!
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September 11th, 2007 at 6:22 pmFor the record, I never said that Iraq is just like Korea — they have two completely different languages, for starters.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:23 pmLets face it. We have the biggest, strongest most technologically advanced military in the world.
And if the only way we can think of to use it, is to point it at the smallest and most defenseless tiny nations in the world, then we shouldn’t be crybabies when they resort to insurrectionest tactics.
After all, when we were founding our country, we did.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:23 pmFor the record, the current government of Iraq can ask us to leave any time they want . . .
Comment by Jake D
What about the people in Iraq, Jake the flake. Don’t they count? They want us out. And if Maliki told us to leave, do you really believe that Bush would pull us out of Iraq? Or, more likely, Bush would assassinate Maliki and install another puppet leader.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:23 pmJake D. But you and the bushies forgot to study the history of Iraq. From the British fiasco to Cheney’s 1994 prediction. You support the most incompetent bunch of Orwellians in history. Stalin would be proud of your doublespeak.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI didn’t need a history class on Korea — I lived through it.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
If you did, it was in a drug-enduced haze. Or perhaps you were too busy playing golf to actually read anything about Korea.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:24 pmThere is a reason that N. Korea came to the bargaining table……….Saddam Hussein hanging from the rafters. That photo was probably stared at by Kim Il just long enough to sink into his maniacal brain and have an effect. The fact that that N. Korea is accepting removal of their nuclear build-up is reason enough to call Iraq a total success. US Policy at work and saving lives and wars by the armful. Of course all of this is lost on the conspiratorial small minds of libs who never look at the greater good. They pretend the world can be won over if we just show love. They are the party of Lennon and Lenin. Total unrealistic failure.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI didn’t need a history class on Korea — I lived through it.
More likely, you slept through it, jake. You probably slept through your history class, too, for that matter. They don’t come any dumber than you, little troll.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:25 pmAfter all, when we were founding our country, we did.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 11, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Yeah but those colonist terrorist insurgents where freedom fighters
September 11th, 2007 at 6:25 pmTo the Iraqi’s so are they.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmLogan: Are you the real Borat?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmNo one in Korea paid terrorist suicide bomber families $25,000.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
That’s because they were busy spending their money building missiles and nuclear weapons, Jake, which even you must see was more dangerous to the US than paying the families of Palestinian “martyrs”, who never attacked the US or American troops.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWe are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Yay! Finally! So now you can leave and stop trolling here? Since you’ve got NOTHING more to add.
In some ways, Saddam was MORE dangerous than any madman in Korea.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Awww… man, you were gone for all of 8 minutes.
Oh, well. If wishes were humvees…
September 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmI didn’t need a history class on Korea — I lived through it.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
We weren’t talking about M.A.S.H reruns.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:27 pmThey. Don’t. EVER. Learn. Do they?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:27 pmTo the Iraqi’s so are they.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 11, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
exactly!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmComment by Liberalismisdead — September 11, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
North Korea came to the bargaining table because they’d been coming to the bargaining table for decades, because the Chinese got them there, because the South Koreans demanded that they be there, and because their citizens are starving to death.
And Saddam was hanged by his own people, in spite of the express request of the US Government, dum bass. Now you think the US should take credit?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmAnd the Republic party is the party of pediphiles, incompetents and haters of Democracy.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pmOUT NOW !!!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pmgaymitch - US Policy is the only reason. Read and weep.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pmWe are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
That much has been obvious since you were born. You’ve added nothing, since Korea is not Iraq. we still suck up to the North Koreans, by the way, thanks to the Coward-In-Chief Bush.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pmCan we all please now agree, once and for all, that this war, and this orchestrated media psyops barrage - designed to keep US troops in the middle east forever - is directly attributable to the demands of and control by Israel and Big Oil?
Name any entity beside Israel and Big Oil who has more to gain, or is fighting harder for us to remain in Iraq forever, than these two entities.
Don’t attack the messenger, answer the question.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pmFor the record, I never said that Iraq is just like Korea — they have two completely different languages, for starters.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Ah yes, and don’t forget the food. Who DOESN’T like Kimchi?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI wasn’t going to add anything more until MNDem and Dennis Raines started in. Neither of them are old enough to remember the Korean War obviously.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pmOh and Jakieboy; Korea was not a preemptive war.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI wonder, at the present rate of de-population, how long will it take the U.S. to completely de-populate (rid) Iraq of its pesky Citizen/inhabitants?
Isn’t that the strategy? If you can’t beat ‘em, kill ‘em!
But seriously, U.S. and sectarian violence has killed something over one million Iraqi Citizens. There are several million refugees who have already fled the anarchy we and Juhn Negroponti have created in that country. If the American-backed Parliament cannot pass the proposed legislation handing the rights to the mineral resources of Iraq to the multi-national oil companies who sent representatives to cheney’s energy taskforce meetings, we simply have to keep our troops there until the remaining inhabitants leave and the military can sign the order handing the oil to Chevron and BP.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:31 pm#25
I think all three were justified and showed sound leadership. When did the extreme anti-war faction of the Democratic Party take over?
Comment by Liberalismisdead — September 11, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
You miss your own point. This Iraq war was unjustified and has demonstrated unsound leadership. Democrats will go to war when there is real justification, not when it is politically expedient and profitable for cronies.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:31 pmJake D. - You have added a few key words to the AP story which does not mention Carlos Hartmann visiting any internet sites at all.
You also seem to ignore the fact that the Iraqi parliament asked the US to leave Or don’t you believe them
Z.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:31 pmI said from the outset of this phony war that our troops were being sent into an indefensible position where the ultimate result was destined to be chaos. They were sent there to be trapped there. Their equipment is wearing out - as has their welcome.
This is quite literally a no win situation - by design.
I was told by someone in a position to know that a quagmire had always been planned for, and that the reason there was no exit strategy was that there was never ANY intention to exit…EVER.
Permanent Bases means just that…permanent.
Consider this:
Vice President Cheney spoke before a huge audience of Jewish Americans at the annual AIPAC Convention.
While his approval rating among the general population is a mere 18%, fully 100% of those in attendance greeted Cheney with a rousing 3-plus minute standing ovation.
Why would 100% of those attending an AIPAC Conference be so appreciative of this Vice President? What has he done for them that he has not done for the vast majority of Americans who disapprove of his performance?
Anybody?
Was the AIPAC audience so appreciative of Cheney for this?
“A day or two after Pincus’s article was published in the Post, a meeting took place in Cheney’s office to coordinate a response to the charges. In attendance were Libby, Cheney, and several other senior aides to the vice president as well as officials from the State Department, and the National Security Council.
It was then that Cheney decided the only way to counter Wilson’s criticism was by having Libby leak portions of the NIE to a select group of reporters whose previous work in their respective publications had advanced the White House’s political agenda.
For an administration that despises leaks, the decision by Cheney to declassify highly sensitive portions of the NIE and have his most trusted aide leak it to reporters in order to attack the former ambassador’s credibility shows how personal the Wilson issue had become for the vice president.
Perhaps it’s just a coincidence, but the timing of an executive order signed by President Bush supposedly granting Cheney the authority to declassify such national security intelligence fits nicely into the time frame when he and his senior aides spearheaded a campaign to discredit Wilson.
The executive order was signed on March 23, 2003, four days after the start of the Iraq war, and two weeks after Wilson first appeared on the administration’s radar.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030606Z.shtml
After all - the Iraq war is a war fought based solely on lies (90% of US soldiers in Iraq have been brainwashed to believe that they are there to avenge the attacks of 9/11) and fought solely to the benefit of Israel.
Perhaps this is why Vice President Cheney is a champion of those within the American Jewish Community who choose to support the activities of AIPAC (a foreign spy organization) at the expense of the rest of us.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:32 pmWe are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Yeah and Bush snapped at the leader of South Korea when he asked when we’d be out and brought up his issues with North Korea. Really, did you want to bring up Korea.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:32 pmTP, I take offense to posts 8 and 13. This place is really falling apart, but libel, even directed at anonymous posters, is not acceptable, and really harms the good name of the this site.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:32 pmI have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
At last… ONE honest statement from Jerk D!
And seeing as he’s FINALLY admitting he has NOTHING more to add, I assume we will never hear from him again!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:33 pmHas anyone seen “ronjazz” lately?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:33 pmace: I would not agree that Israel has very much to gain by a shite dominated Iraq and Iran. Big Oil is more interested in our keeping our troops in Saudi Arabia (big kudos to Bush the First for that screw up). The military industrial complex is quite pleased, though.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmNow the pinch is on in Iran after two of the three components of the axis of evil have been eliminated. What an awesome execution of a long term objective. History will look favorably upon the last few years of US policy. Liberals will try to revise history like they did when Reagan led the destruction of the other Evil Empire of USSR. Think Progress and George Soros hate that the US beat the Soviet Union. It is a dark day for them. It is a dark day that terrorism is being met head on. Do you see a pattern here? Yeah, we all do. That is why liberals are so hated in America and why they have to change their name to the euphemism of progressives. Man I’m on one today.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThere’s no such thing as “libel” against ANONYMOUS (or even dead or actual murderer) posters.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:35 pm“We are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.”
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
And yet, after your own pronouncement, you keep adding comments?! If you are working on persuasive arguments, boy, are you in the wrong place. But then again, I bet a Boddington’s you have a lifetime subscription of the National Review. You are losing credibility.
I do not read the National Review. Did the National Review mention anything about the cost of blood and treasure of this occupation?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmMan I’m on one today.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — September 11, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
So there are two of you on Mother Teresa?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmFor the record, the current government of Iraq can ask us to leave any time they want . . .
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Bush doesn’t listen to the citizens of the US, you think he’d listen to the people of Iraq?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmace: Why did the majority of Jewish Americans vote for Kerry in 2004?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:37 pmWe are not monolithic.
Show me a poll of majority Jewish support for bush or cheney.
Man I’m on one today.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — September 11, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Yea.
Better get off him before he smothers.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#
ace: I would not agree that Israel has very much to gain by a shite dominated Iraq and Iran. Big Oil is more interested in our keeping our troops in Saudi Arabia (big kudos to Bush the First for that screw up). The military industrial complex is quite pleased, though.
Comment by Liberalismiskickingseriousrightwingass — September 11, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
I did not ask you to agree to that. Why did you twist my words to imply that? What’s your agenda? Use my words when purportedly responding to my words.
Iraq and Iran are being systematically depopulated, by nukes if necessary. The only thing they’ll be dominated by is the stench of rotting corpses, and oil.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:37 pmComment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007
I knew that law degree was nothing but your imagination.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI don’t have a lifetime subscription of the National Review. If you hadn’t started up with me (I’m a Korean War vet), I would have left well enough alone.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pmJake d lived through Korea? Bullshit. If you’d been a part of that war in anyhting but a support function you’d puke at the treatment our military is receiving from this administration. You suck jake. In a really black hole sort of way.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHas anyone seen “ronjazz†lately?
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
That’s pretty disgusting, Jake, even for you. So much for all your high-minded bullsh!t about your Ignore List, where you install commenters who have insulted you. You really are a hypocritical weasel sh!tbag. I’m beginning to think you really were an attorney, because you’re clearly devoid of ethics or morals. You were probably a really bad low-level corporate attorney who excelled at stabbing your co-workers in the back while out on the golf course.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:39 pmJake D is about 23 years old.
The only thing he knows about the Korean War is Hawkeye and Trapper were funny dudes.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:39 pmFor the record, there’s a fancy legal concept called “standing” i.e. who is going to take someone to court for libel against an anonymous username?! Nice try though.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI don’t have a lifetime subscription of the National Review. If you hadn’t started up with me (I’m a Korean War vet), I would have left well enough alone.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
If you had simply LEFT, no one would have “started up with you”. More demonstration of your total lack of ethics: making excuses for childish behavior.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:41 pmOur military is foolish. If you want to defeat Muslim nations, just infect their societies with the fatal virus known as Feminism.
It will destroy their society the same way it has destroyed America without a bullet being fired!
Comment by logan
Whats the matter logan, did your wife leave you for another man? Or even better, did she leave you for another woman?
Poor baby.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:42 pmFor the record, there’s a fancy legal concept called “standing†i.e. who is going to take someone to court for libel against an anonymous username?! Nice try though.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
So it’s OK to slander someone’s reputation as long as that person has no standing to take you to court? So much for ethics and morality.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:43 pmJake D: Standing is not the issue, moron, it’s personal jurisdiction. You are such a poser.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:43 pmMy post was @ 6:07 pm. MNDem, and Dennis Raines, both posted @ 6:13 pm — don’t blame me for their posts.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:44 pmThe funny thing about libs is they miss satire. I bet half of them looked up my link really thinking that it could be true. They probably will send donations to the murderers legal team to get him off.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:44 pm#
ace: Why did the majority of Jewish Americans vote for Kerry in 2004?
We are not monolithic.
Show me a poll of majority Jewish support for bush or cheney.
Comment by Liberalismiskickingseriousrightwingass — September 11, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
Why are you changing the subject? The Subject is whether we are in Iraq on behalf of Israel and Big Oil. You have now tried to change the subject twice. Do you have any comment that is relevant to the subject? If you are ready to state that Likud and Big Oil are not infavor of the US occupation of Iraq and Iran, just come right out and say it.
You can’t, because you know it’s true.
For a reason known to you, you opt to deflect it and change the subject.
Why?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:44 pmace: My agenda now, is to see that you take your meds.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:45 pmHelp, the paranoids are after me!!!!
Winning what?? Who are these bush propaganda mouthpieces fooling? Nice attempt at brainwashing but people can see for themselves that this war cannot be won by us - it’s not our war - never was. The appalling loss of now nearly 4,000 lives and countless innocent iraqis is somehow winning something? What?? Winning at the biggest genocidal experiment in the middle east - orchestrated and operated by the Bush Regime.
Or maybe they mean winning the hearts and minds of the american people at whose pleasure they serve? I don’t think so with the majority of american totally against this surge and continuation of any funding for the war.
So, winning what? I’m asking again because the mission has never been clarified so how can you win something when the goal has never been set. Sure one goal was set and then they moved the goalpost to yet another absurdity. I’d say that we’re about “off the field” taking the goalposts along with us.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:45 pmI don’t get it? Did ronjazz die or something? Why is that so shameful to ask?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:45 pmWho is promoting this genocide?
1. “There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.” Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. ” [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. “The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. “There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”
11. “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI’s cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
September 11th, 2007 at 6:46 pmJake, for the record, the Iraqi government HAS already asked us to leave. And, you claim to have been in the Korean conflict, yet also claim you played H.S. basketball in the 30’s. If you played H.S. in the 30’s, you must have been of age for WWII. Why did you skip WWII and then fight in Korea? Jake, your numbers just don’t add up. I think you’re simply b.s-ing.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:46 pmAce: Kudos to you for nailing it right on the head! Everyone knows about AIPEC being in bed with PNAC and the Bush crime family. It’s always been about oil and jews.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:46 pmI am obviously not here to teach anyone on the “Ignore List” about the law — if an ANONYMOUS poster sues for slander, he/she is no longer anonymous — besides, I simply asked if anyone had seen “ronjazz” lately.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#
ace: My agenda now, is to see that you take your meds.
Help, the paranoids are after me!!!!
Comment by Liberalismiskickingseriousrightwingass — September 11, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Deflection & Evasion #3
September 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pmAce: Please continue to post information about AIPEC. It’s something everyone here needs to know. Thanks.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pmace: We are in Iraq, becuase sadam tried to kill bushie’s father.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:47 pmGot Edipus Complex?
For the record, one of the Fake Jakes posted about high school in the 30’s, not me.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:48 pmJake, your numbers just don’t add up. I think you’re simply b.s-ing.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
B-ball in the 30’s, fought in Korea AND is 75 years old.
THE MATH DON’T ADD UP, COWARDLY FRAUD!!!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:48 pmMy post was @ 6:07 pm. MNDem, and Dennis Raines, both posted @ 6:13 pm — don’t blame me for their posts.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Sigh. Okay, I guess it was my fault. Sorry everyone!
But really… you never answered anyones question, just making blanket statements. Really I mean this: please give more explanation to your points, and not give “cuz I said so.”
September 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmSo, if Saddam hanging from the rafters brought Kim Jong Il to the conference table, why didn’t it work for Iran?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmIt’s called AIPAC.
AIPAC SPY SCANDAL:
CONSPIRACY TO COMMUNICATE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO AGENT OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENT
1. Defendant LAWRENCE ANTHONY FRANKLIN was employed by the United States government at the Department of Defense (DoD) in the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), International Security Affairs (ISA), Office of Near East and South Asia, Office of Northern Gulf Affairs, Iran desk, and held a Top Secret security clearance with access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). FRANKLIN’S office was located within the Pentagon, in the Eastern District of Virginia. FRANKLIN was also a Colonel in the United States Air Force Reserve (USAFR).
2. Throughout his employment with the United States government, FRANKLIN repeatedly signed written agreements acknowledging his duty to safeguard classified information
3. At no time was FRANKLIN authorized to release classified information to ROSEN and WEISMANN except with respect to Overt Acts 43 and 44 in count one.
4. Defendant STEVEN J. ROSEN was employed as the Director of Foreign Policy Issues for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington, D.C. ROSEN was hired by AIPAC in or about July 1982. AIPAC, according to its website, is ” America’s ProIsrael Lobby.” AIPAC lobbies the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch agencies on various issues related to Israel and U.S. Foreign policy in the Middle East. As the Director of Foreign Policy Issues, ROSEN lobbied on behalf of AIPAC, primarily with officials within the Executive Branch of the U.S. government. During the time period of this indictment, ROSEN did not have a U.S. government security clearance and was not authorized to receive or possess U.S. government classified information.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/ intell/ library/ reports/ 2005/ franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm
September 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmAsk and you shall receive! Thanks, Ace for Post #90. As usual with all of your posts, you’ve got substantiation for anything you say which is more than I can say for most of the retard trolls who blather their bull$hit on these threads. I’m cutting and copying this information to everyone I know. Keep it rolling.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmone of the Fake Jakes posted
Comment by Jake D.
There’s just as much BS in any/all posts attributed to you.
What’s the difference?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pm…
well, at least that cover photo is proof
of how beautiful iraq used to be…
a bit of photshopping that poluted sun,
September 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmbut still, it’s rather exotic, inviting… not?
…
I am obviously not here to teach anyone on the “Ignore List†about the law — if an ANONYMOUS poster sues for slander, he/she is no longer anonymous — besides, I simply asked if anyone had seen “ronjazz†lately.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
You’re a goddamn liar:
Carlos Hartmann = ronjazz
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
September 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pm#
ace: We are in Iraq, becuase sadam tried to kill bushie’s father.
Got Edipus Complex?
Comment by Liberalismiskickingseriousrightwingass — September 11, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Apparently with this statement you are intending that neither Israel nor Big oil wants US Troops in Iraq.
I doubt whether anyone else here believes that, aside from your AIPAC apologists.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmHow convenient to have “fake Jakes” around to blame your b.s. on.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI didn’t need a history class on Korea — I lived through it.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
yes, safe at home. We know.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmWAYS, MANNER AND MEANS OF THE CONSPIRACY
A. It was part of the conspiracy that, in an effort to influence persons within and outside the United States government, ROSEN and WEISSMAN would cultivate relationships with FRANKLIN and others and would use their contacts within the U.S. government and elsewhere to gather sensitive U.S. government information, including classified information relating to the national defense, for subsequent unlawful communication, delivery and transmission to persons not entitled to receive it.
B. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN would use his position as a desk officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense to gather information relating to the national defense, for subsequent unlawful communication, delivery and transmission to ROSEN and WEISSMAN and others not entitled to receive it.
C. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN, ROSEN and WEISSMAN would meet at locations in the Eastern District of Virginia and elsewhere, to exchange information, including classified information relating to the national defense.
D. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN would unlawfully deliver, communicate and transmit classified national defense information in an effort to advance his own personal foreign policy agenda and influence persons within and outside the United States government.
E. It was further part of the conspiracy that ROSEN and WEISSMAN, without lawful authority, would communicate to persons not entitled to receive it, classified information relating to the national defense.
On or about June 11, 1999, WEISSMAN had a conversation with FO-1 and told FO-1 that a “Secret FBI, classified FBI report” on the Khobar Towers bombing had been prepared and that he (WEISSMAN) had gotten this information from three different sources, including United States government officials.
On or about March 13, 2003 , WEISSMAN had a separate conversation with FO-1. WEISSMAN asked FO-1, “Have you talked to Steve about Iran lately?” WEISSMAN related that “we” had heard from a “friend of ours in the Pentagon” about a national intelligence document. WEISSMAN discussed specifics about the classified draft internal policy document and the internal deliberations of United States government officials.
On or about March 18, 2003 , in a conversation with a member of the media about the classified draft internal policy document, ROSEN stated, “I’m not supposed to know this,” and that it was a “considerable story.” He encouraged the member of the media to pursue the story.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmbesides, I simply asked if anyone had seen “ronjazz†lately.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Liar, again.
Carlos Hartmann = ronjazz
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
September 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmace and troll/enabler razzle: You post tripe and antisemitic garbage. Israel is not the reason we went to Iraq. They didn’t need our help to screw it up. Israel dealt with Sadam in 1976 when they blew up his nuclear facility and he never reconstituted his nuclear program after.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. @ 6:07 pm
always with the lies…
why encourage it?
.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmAce, you’ve obviously done much research on the Jewish situation as well as AIPEC. Please share as much of it with us as you can. This “war” inside this country can only be fought with information, data, and truth. Truth has been the absent component in Bush’s life since his youth - ergo, this country led by him suffers greatly from bastardized and fudged information, cherry-picked intel, and cooking the books on ALL things, in ALL areas of this administration and the RNC.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:53 pmWhen Rich Lowry hauls his priviliged white a$$ off to Iraq he can argue for staying. Until then, he is not worth listening to.
And once more I ask: Why are all these clowns still showing up on TV and in the newpapers bleating the same old crap when they have not been right about one single thing regarding Iraq since 2002? Oh, right, priviliged white a$$es.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:54 pmBIGOT ALERT: RAZZLE AND ACE
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmCarlos R.P. Hartmann
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmProfessor
Ph.D., University of Illinois, 1970
email: hartmann@top.cis.syr.edu
To Carlos Hartmann’s Home Page …
Dr. Hartmann’s main interests have been the development of the theory of decoding and the design of practical decoding algorithms for error-correcting codes. Dr. Hartmann also does research in the following areas: fault detection in digital systems, design of fault tolerant systems, design of efficient data processing algorithms, and parallel computation.
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ace and troll/enabler razzle: You post tripe and antisemitic garbage. Israel is not the reason we went to Iraq. They didn’t need our help to screw it up. Israel dealt with Sadam in 1976 when they blew up his nuclear facility and he never reconstituted his nuclear program after.
Comment by Liberalismiskickingseriousrightwingass — September 11, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Then why don’t you simply and unequivocally state that both Israel and Big Oil want the US Troops out of Iraq?
I’ll answer that for you…
Because you are an Hasbara shill.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#111 Nothing anti-semetic about it. If it involved an Arab, he would be identified as such. As it happens, AIPEC is running Bush’s administration and they happen to be Jewish. I’d say that you need some psychotherapy to relieve yourself of your own Jewish “painbody” and get over it. We are what we are and our nationality is merely a means of identification which some people seem to use when it fits their agenda. (know what I mean??)
September 11th, 2007 at 6:56 pmrazzle: “Jewish situation” Your freudian slip is showing (e.g. nazi Jewish Solution).
September 11th, 2007 at 6:56 pmRovesPeeStain………teaching us what HATE SPEECH is…..I guess your moniker is love speech?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:56 pmJake is tryuing to set a new record for the number of lies and inaccuracies he has posted. I’m betting he will. Practice makes perfect.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#117 Sounds like you’re the bigger bigot making an issue of your own painbody, friend.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:57 pmSupporting Israel and condemning bush are not mutually exclusive.
Ace: Why do a majority of Jewish Americans oppose bush’s policies?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:58 pmAn arab a jew and a catholic nun walk into a whorehouse…..
September 11th, 2007 at 6:58 pm#121 Obviously, the truth hurts, doesn’t it? It’s your sick painbody which is showing. Oops…maybe it’s your slip or your tutu perhaps??
September 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmUh-oh… I feel Godwin’s Law coming to this thread… see ya :)
September 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmKeep the information coming Ace. I’m sending it out to about 400 individuals right now. Thanks.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:00 pmRovesPeeStain………teaching us what HATE SPEECH is…..I guess your moniker is love speech?
Comment by Liberalismisdead — September 11, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Hey, liberalism is alive and growing, now at 70% in the USA, so this loser can be flushed as well, along with the other rightwings conturds like Jake The Fake, and pee the sockpuppet queen.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pmRovesPeeStain: ROTFLMAO, indeed. What a trolturd we have here today, eh? His lack of intelligence is only superseded by his bigotry. Let’s freeze this reptard out.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pmDennis Raines:
Did you ask a question I missed? Unless you are on the “Ignore List” for failing to answer my questions and/or resorting to personal attacks (see examples above), I will always answer your questions.
For the record, my post @ 6:14 pm was intended as a question only to those NOT on the “Ignore List” — anyone on the “Ignore List” (including “ronjazz”) should not take any post of mine as directed toward them in any manner whatsoever.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:03 pmActually Pee Stain. Libs are the biggest closet bigots in the country. Articles all over the place regarding liberals bigoted stance on Jews. They are bigoted against white southerners. They are bigoted against religion. The list goes on and on…….
September 11th, 2007 at 7:04 pmTROLL ALERT! Steer clear of these threads until they can be properly sanitized of troll excrement, fecal material, and detritus. The moron with the long name at #133 is the resident, village-idiot troll who posts with about thirty monikers. A good shrink would help this nutcase.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:05 pmBush can no longer afford to stay in Iraq and lose more American and Iraqi lives for a policy that has failed. It is time to bring our troops home. This war is lost, as is the surge. Petraeus is misleading Congress and the American people by asking for more time.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:05 pmProbus……what an original idea. That dumbas* type of remark hasn’t been debated on here before. No plan, just pull out. Einstein should be sent to a liberal Think Tank for originality.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:08 pmWhen the GOP and Israel conspired to take down Iraq, and the American public subsequently figured out that the entire campaign was based on a False Flag Attack (9/11) and a willful campaign of lies and deceit, is it any wonder that the American people would turn against those found to be guilty of the BIG LIE?
That Israel and the GOP opted to enter into a criminal conspiracy was their own doing.
Revealing the truth of it is PATRIOTIC.
TREASON is punishable by death.
Why did the GOP fight so hard to save Lieberman’s bacon?
Because he is an Israeli/GOP mole within the Democratic party, and a co-conspirator in the coup. His job now is to protect AGENT Chertoff.
Where is the result of the “Operation Greenquest” investigation, AGENT Chertoff? Where are those DANCING ISRAELIS and that video tape they shot of themselves confessing to bringing down the twin towers with explosives?
The evidence is too abundant to ignore.
Choose sides.
I’m with the AMERICANS.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:08 pmNo matter how much Bush tries to spin the reality the fact remains that this war is lost. He has shown no leadership on Iraq. He has shown a unwillingness to respect the troops on the ground with multiple deployments. He has shown no respect to the generals in Iraq who advised him against this disastrous surge (Casey and Abizaid). He has no exit plan for Iraq. He is the worst president ever.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmClinton was worse than Bush IMO.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIn an article by Ariel Natan Pasko and Arutz Sheva in the Israel National News, 3-26-03 / 22Adar 5763, titled This War Is For Us, the authors state that:
“JERUSALEM - Of course this war against Iraq and Saddam Hussein is for us. Even the anti-Semites, like Patrick J. Buchanan and Congressman Jim Moran know it.
“However, we already knew that this war is for us, i.e., the Jews and Israel. Chazal our sages throughout the ages have explained the Torah [the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Old Testament: ed.], telling us that everything that happens in the world is for the benefit of the Jewish People.
“Simply put another way, if all the world is a stage, then the Jews and especially those in the Land of Israel are the lead actors on the stage of history, and the goyim nations, i.e. the gentiles have supporting roles, while the evildoers are props and background scenery.
“As our tradition states, G-D - the great playwright created the world for the sake of the Jewish People, and it is our responsibility to implement the Torah absolute morality and the blueprint of creation in it.
“Stop and think for a moment: the last Gulf War in 1991 ended erev just before Purim. This Gulf War began motzei just after Shushan Purim. Get the picture? In between, “The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honor.” (Book of Esther 8:16) [end excerpting article]
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=2125
September 11th, 2007 at 7:14 pmACE is a conspiratorial nutjob. They only exist on the internet - never in public debate because they get laughed at too much
September 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pmall the truth is here:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
September 11th, 2007 at 7:16 pmCrazy person: “Libs are the biggest closet bigots in the country. Articles all over the place regarding liberals bigoted stance on Jews. They are bigoted against white southerners. They are bigoted against religion. The list goes on and on…”
Sure. Every thinking person knows that one of the definitions of liberal is refusing constitutional rights to Jews, Southern Whites and religious people. It’s right there in the liberal manifesto.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:16 pmWHO WILL PUT AMERICA FIRST?
WHO BOUGHT OFF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?
Haim Sabin buys the Democrats – FOR ISRAEL
September 2, 2006
The all-powerful Hollywood Zionist lobby
The Brookings Institution, a supposedly ‘liberal’ think tank, is now an integral part of Israeli territory with its “Saban Center for Middle East Policy”
It is named after the fanatic Zionist billionaire Haim Saban, majority owner of Paramount Pictures, a man who handed the Democratic Party a total of $12.3 million in 2002, a $7 million component of which was the biggest single contribution ever recorded up to that time.
In recent months, Hollywood billionaire Haim Saban’s support for the Democratic Party came under intensifying public scrutiny.
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt focused on Saban’s growing political influence in their paper, The Israel Lobby. Describing Saban as an “ardent Zionist,” Mearsheimer and Walt demonstrated the formidable power base of the Israel Lobby in both political parties.
Reflecting on Mearsheimer and Walt, one of America’s leading experts in international law, Dr. Francis Boyle, has dubbed the Democratic Party “a front group for the Israel Lobby.”
According to reports from party insiders, Saban’s political support comes with heavy strings attached. In an interview with the New York Times, Saban casually admitted, “I’m a one issue guy, and my issue is Israel.â€
http://www.radicalleft.net/ blog/ _archives/ 2006/ 9/ 2/ 2276228.html
MEDIA CONTROL AND BRAINWASHING
Those Who Are Most Successfully Brainwashed Don’t Know It…Welcome to America
Excerpts:
Forget what the talking heads on the television tell you, and ignore the idiocy spewed forth by conservative talk show hosts; America’s Middle East policy has nothing to do with threats stemming from the development of nuclear arsenals, or imaginary terrorist plots to maim and kill, as reported in the corporate media.
Such claims are useful propaganda, shameless promotions created to deceive a gullible people into believing there is an eminent threat to their freedoms that must be dealt with militarily. None of it is true.
The invasion and occupation of Iraq was foretold in a document titled, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century.â€
This paper was authored some six years ago by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and a host of neocon luminaries who are always clamoring for war. It provides the blue print for what is to come, but it is conveniently ignored by the corporate media.
If the neocons and their Zionist allies succeed, Iran will also be invaded and occupied, followed by Lebanon and Syria.
Other states will follow, insuring that America and Israel remain in a state of perpetual war for the next hundred years.
Preemptive strikes are the modus operandi. The plan calls for permanent military bases throughout the region, and the U.S. is already constructing fourteen permanent bases in Iraq. America has no intentions of leaving until the last drop of oil runs dry, and Iraq’s natural wealth has been privatized.
The larger purpose of the American-Israeli Middle East policy is to force capitalism onto the region. If they are successful, the occupied territories will fall under virtual martial law, and virtual U.S-Israeli rule.
This is the New World Order envisioned by George Herbert Walker Bush—corporate governance by the world’s wealthiest individuals. For everyone else it will be a world-sized gulag with all the accoutrements of a concentration camp.
Western capitalists break into a cold sweat when they think about the money to be made. They see private wealth in the form of the Middle East’s immense oil reserves, cheap exploitable labor, and the millions of new consumers that capitalism demands.
Any nation that resists corporate globalization will be labeled ‘terrorist states,’ and subjected to military invasion.
The imperial invaders will declare that these states are developing nuclear weapons and present an eminent threat to the U.S and its allies. The corporate media will report that we are bringing democracy to the Middle East. All of this should sound hauntingly familiar.
Once the groundwork is laid, the invasion of Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed Martin, and all of the corporations that are plundering Iraq can begin in earnest. Some 150 American corporations are already reaping billions in stolen Iraqi wealth. That is just the beginning.
The masters of war are promoting their agenda of corporate globalization by equating the resistance to free trade with terrorism.
As all things Bush, this is just marketing hype and brazen lies—pure propaganda.
By linking resistance to free trade to terrorism in the public mind, the perpetrators expect to market future wars and more occupations to the people who will be required to carry them out.
Speaking truth in America is becoming tantamount to an act of sedition, or terror. We already know what happens to terrorists in Bush World.
Acting as America’s fifty-first state, Israel’s elite will also reap the economic spoils of war, and expand its power throughout the region. She will then be in position to police the territory, and to put down insurrections with weapons made in the USA.
Every atrocity that America and her allies accuse their enemies of committing, they have themselves committed. Will we ever remove our blinders and see with clear eyes?
http://www.radicalleft.net/ blog/ _archives/ 2006/ 9/ 3/ 2279386.html
September 11th, 2007 at 7:16 pmAce takes the “Think” out of Think Progress.
“…the attribution of invidious statements to Israel’s leaders has become a popular stratagem among Israel’s enemies. Many are fabricated, taken out of context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted, negative view of Zionist intentions and actions. Propagated on the internet, some of these misquotes eventually make their way into opinion columns in campus newspapers and even, on occasion, the mainstream press.”
From http://www.camera.org/ index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=22&x_article=766
September 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pmAt least we aren’t talking about National Review any more.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:18 pmJake: “Clinton was worse than Bush IMO.”
In what way? Any examples of something, anything that Bush does better than Clinton??? Talking? Thinking? Taking care of disasters? Running military operations? Cutting fat in government? Trimming the debt? What?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:19 pmHey Think Progress. You are finally looking moderate to your radical left web bloggers on here. See what happens when you go extreme? You turn out so far left you actually party with Neo Nazis holed up in Idaho. Be careful
September 11th, 2007 at 7:23 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” wants to discuss in a civil manner how Clinton was worse than Bush, please let me know.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThey probably will send donations to the murderers legal team to get him off.
Comment by Liberalismisdead — September 11, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
You post it freakazoid and tomorrow Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh will be touting it like it’s fact. Then you’ll forget it was you and be flinging it around here like a monkey with poo. F*ck you.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pmJake, I’ll take that post as a tacit admission that you cannot make a cogent argument that Bush was better than Clinton at anything. Your “ignore list” exists in your own head and you can’t even muster up the mental discipline to follow it yourself. You wouldn’t have made your last post if you hadn’t read my post, and in reading my post, you didn’t follow the rules of your imaginary “ignore list.” Jake, you’re just pathetically overmatched around here and the sad thing is you never seem to realize it.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:27 pmHey Jake, I’ll take the bait if you’re afraid to take on Col. Ripper. I don’t think there is anything Bush does better than Clinton. Make your case. Is there anything at all that Bush is better than Clinton at?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:30 pmBush signed the Partial Birth Abortion bill and put Roberts / Alito on the Supreme Court.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:38 pmBush is better at monogamous relationships
September 11th, 2007 at 7:41 pmBush had balls to go after OBL. Clinton ignored a chance to kill him but at least he killed David Koresh.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Are you sure?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmJake: “Bush signed the Partial Birth Abortion bill and put Roberts / Alito on the Supreme Court.”
So, you’re basically saying that Bush is better at Clinton at signing right wing legislation pandering to religious conservatives and he’s better at putting conservative ideologues on the Supreme Court. OK, I’ll give you those. Anything else… you know performance related? Budgeting, consensus building, international agreements, statesmanship, you know, the things which define presidential performance?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:43 pmBush had balls to go after OBL. Clinton ignored a chance to kill him but at least he killed David Koresh.
Comment by Liberalismisdead
Bush is better at monogamous relationships
Comment by Liberalismisdead
Must be off topic happy hour.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:44 pmNational review:
Wow…what a victory. hehehehe.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:44 pmBush doesn’t make decisions based on public opinion. Clinton ate, drank and slept with the polls.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmThey only exist on the internet - never in public debate because they get laughed at too much
Comment by Liberalismisdead
Not as much as I still laugh at loons like you who believed Saddam had WMDs…
BWAHAHAHAHA.
HEYOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ;)
September 11th, 2007 at 7:46 pmCrazy person: “Bush had balls to go after OBL. Clinton ignored a chance to kill him but at least he killed David Koresh.”
No, you’ve got that backward, but that’s not surprising considering that you’re a crazy person. Clinton actually attempted to kill bin Laden. I know of no situation in which Bush has tried that. Indeed, it just came out last month that the Bush administration backed away from an opportunity to kill bin Laden in Pakistan in 2005. And, the day Clinton was 45 minutes late in his attempt to kill bin Laden with cruise missles at a terrorist training camp in Afganistan, Clinton had been forced to sit in deposition all morning answering obtuse questions about oral sex. I guess your repubs in congress just felt that oral sex was more important than fighting terrorism.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:47 pmOh, Iran invaded a country???
I missed that. Maybe Iran should strike US… you know Bush preemptive doctrine in use.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:47 pmCrazy person: “Bush is better at monogamous relationships”
Are you sure about that? According to Kitty Kelly’s book and “Fortunate Son”, Bush forced a girlfriend to get an abortion.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pmCrazy person: “Bush doesn’t make decisions based on public opinion.”
Right you are. The last thing a guy like Bush wants to think about is what the people want.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWho looks like the crazy person Retarded Colon?
Comment by Liberalismisdead
You, idiot. Cuz Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. NIce try, a-hole. So you stick those 4 thousand soldiers of yours for your George mumbling idiot team.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:55 pmCrazy person, republicans are not responsible FOR Clinton’s bj. They are responsible for being more interested in that bj than in fighting terrorism. Republicans obstructed Clintons efforts to fight terrorism over and over. He sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security - it was defeated by repubs. He sent legislation to provide more tracking of money - it was defeated by repubs for banking interests. He sent legislation for tracking explosives more effectively - Repubs defeated it for the NRA. Clinton tripled the budget for FBI counterterrorism funding.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:57 pmObviously the Republicans want the Dems to win in the next election so the Dems can solve the Iraq issue.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:00 pmThen when elections come up again in 2012 the Republicans will just say “those Democrats defeated America Again”.
This is just politics and its ruining lives.
Why cant we just grow up and start solving problems instead of playing politics?
What idiots voted for these idiots?
We are still in Korea. I have nothing more to add.
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
yeah but not in north korea,jake
September 11th, 2007 at 8:05 pmDead or Alive said Bush about OBL.
And the guy is just filming himself with dyed beard to get the Islam chicks.
What a scam.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:12 pm#171 - in a nutshell juan - a scam - and watching hannity and card trying to,as usual scare everyone into thinking that obl is cooking up something big was embarrassing to watch but what was even worse was trying to watch grown men taking this thing seriously - even for fox noise it was pathetic!! - funny,i had no idea that there was an arabic translation for ‘neo-con’ and didn’t know that obl was so concerned about global warming - seems to me like another propaganda stunt from the repubs trying to say hey,obl thinks the same way as liberals in the usa!! - therefore libs are terrorists and if you want to be safe and not get blown up by a tree-hugging anti-neocon islamic fundamentalist,you better stick with us….pure theatre and not too convincing.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:22 pmWin at invading other peoples countries without cause… that is a precident I hope China and Russia doesnt decide to claim in the future… its not like we would have any right telling them to stop…
September 11th, 2007 at 8:28 pmAre you sure?
Comment by Juan C — September 11, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Nice one, Juan.
Clearly, even Jerk D doesn’t believe himself, or he’d a-shut UP!
September 11th, 2007 at 8:54 pmSo, when’s Lowry enlisting? And is he taking the Doughy Pantload to boot camp with him?
September 11th, 2007 at 8:59 pmUnless you are on the “Ignore List†for failing to answer my questions and/or resorting to personal attacks (see examples above), I will always answer your questions.
Oh, you’re Kevin Drum’s pet troll Charlie? Still cracking jokes about John Edwards’ dead son?
What a total tool you are.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:01 pmAnd if a Democrat becomes President in 2008 and does, indeed, decide to STAY in Iraq, you know what the headline of NR will be the first week of February 2009?
LEAVE
Any questions?