In a letter to the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee today, a coalition of human rights and advocacy groups urged the Senate to reject President Bush’s nominee for General Counsel of the CIA, John Rizzo. The coalition, which includes the Center for American Progress Action Fund, objects to Rizzo’s record of sanctioning the use of torture in American interrogation of detainees.
In 2002, Rizzo approved a memo written by then-Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee that stretched the definition of torture, arguing that physical pain must be “equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death” in order to be considered torture.
During Rizzo’s confirmation hearing in June, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) asked him if he “should have objected at the time” to the Bybee definition of torture. “I honestly — I can’t say I should have objected at the time,” replied Rizzo. Watch it:
Unsatisfied by Rizzo’s answers at the hearing, Wyden has put a hold on his nomination, saying that he is going to keep it “until the detention and interrogation program is on firm footing, both in terms of effectiveness and legality.”
Given Rizzo’s intimate knowledge of the administration’s use of interrogation techniques that are “tantamount to torture,” and his utter refusal to stop them, confirming Rizzo would “send an extraordinarily negative message” to the world about America’s attitude toward the use of torture.
Rizzo. Fitting name for a rat.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:46 pmIm a Republican and I think we should torture Americans.
Might is Right!!
HeyyYYYYyYYyYyyyyyyOOOoOOOOoOoOooOoOOOooOOOooo!!!!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmRon’s my senator (the good one) I’ve known him since he was with the Gray Panthers in the late 70’s. He usually works quietly, but lately I think he’s mad as hell and has decided not to take it anymore.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmSuch a fitting day for TP and CAP to issue this objection! I wonder if the powers that be at these august Prog.orgs would have opposed waterboarding poooor Mohammad Atta if they thought it could have prevented 9/11……….
September 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmthe use of torture by this government never ceases to disgust me.
This is not how our country should be acting. Torture – in any form – is morally repugnant to the ideals of a free society.
and, on top of it, there’s nothing, whatsoever, in the Constitution, which permits these people to use it.
period.
Read on if you’d like:
September 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pm“Should the US Military be Allowed to use Torture?”
http://www.populistamerica.com/should_the_u_s__military_be_allowed_to_use_torture
Rizzo. Fitting name for a rat.
Comment by Cobalt90 — September 11, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Oh yea.
Ratso Rizzo.
Its been years since I heard that name.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmSuch a fitting day for TP and CAP to issue this objection! I wonder if the powers that be at these august Prog.orgs would have opposed waterboarding poooor Mohammad Atta if they thought it could have prevented 9/11……….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Ha ha ha.
Thats pretty funny.
Know any other jokes?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:54 pmComment by mighty aphrodite
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, such loads of crappola, where’s the lomotil?
Torture DOES NOT deliver usefel intel, stupid dyke.
‘24’ Versus the Real World
Does torture really work? Most intelligence experts say no
If wingnuts spent less time watching TV and being fat and lazy, they might accidentally learn a thing or two:
LINK
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmdo men (well, some) really think that the length of hair
on the sides and back makes up for the lack of it on the top?
curious…
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmMighty Aphrodite.
Republican hero.
So afraid a handful of backwards people with no military and no real capabilities to hurt us, that she wants America to torture people so she can drive her mini van to the mall for hot latte’s.
What a hero she is.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmNothing “permitted” Truman to drop two nukes over Japan then either, right?
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmIn my day, Hero’s were the people who killed people who torture.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:55 pmcurious…
Comment by katy
No, their just as stupid on in inside (and ugly) as they are on the outside.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:56 pmRizzo sounds like he has great moral clarity and is an enemy of PC, qualities which would make him a great Bush nominee to be counsel for the CIA. A public official can’t be effective if he’s constantly surrendering to wuss ideological pressure from libtarded pressure groups. Speaking of these groups who authored this misleading letter, all of them are deeply anti-American because of their classification as “human rights” groups. Everyone except these ideological progtards knows human rights groups is a code phrase for anti-American ideology. This is based on the fact that these ideological groups are at the forefront of perpetuating unfounded allegations of mistreatment at Gitmo and the War on Terror, rendition and against every other US tool or facility necessary in this post-911 world. Damn Wyden for opposing a nominee who has such a rational definition of torture. The progtards on TP are scary for giving a damn about world opinion when “torture” like waterboarding saves US lives.
September 11th, 2007 at 6:57 pmall of them are deeply anti-American because of their classification as “human rights†groups.
Comment by RizzoisaGREATAMERICANwhoinfuriatesprogressivePCidiots — September 11, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Since when did human rights become contrary to American values?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:00 pmYo Rizzo, c’meeer. I got anutha job for ya, I need ya to whack somebody…
September 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pmRizzo is unfit to serve. Bush’s support of him and torture has undermined our moral leadership in the world. Support for torture has also put our troops in danger on the battlefield. The Abu Garaib scandal has hurt us on the world stage. In advocating torture, Rizzo has violated the Geneva Conventions and the US Constitution and should not be confirmed.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI think you’ve got America confused with your compound outside of Parma, Idaho.
Your values are the values of the Nazi’s.
Our values, the American values, are and have always been for human rights, liberty and waging defensive war only.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:02 pmRizzo is unfit to serve. Bush’s support of him and torture has undermined our moral leadership in the world. Support for torture has also put our troops in danger on the battlefield. The Abu Garaib scandal has hurt us on the world stage. In advocating torture, Rizzo has violated the Geneva Conventions and the laws of the US Constitution and should not be confirmed.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:02 pmListening to Stephen Hadley attempt to define the law defined by Common Article 3, it now becomes crystal clear why Rumsfeld disbanded Iraq’s Standing UNIFORMED Military at the time of our invasion.
They are attempting to redefine the Geneva Conventions to apply only to those captured “on the battlefield IN UNIFORM.”
Since the “battlefield” is undefined, it is literally EVERYWHERE, and since the enemy is conveniently undefined, it pertains to EVERYONE…including you and me.
The US and Israel are on a mission to overthrow the middle east – and in so doing, create a CIVILIAN UPRISING of non-uniformed “insurgent” fighters, whom this administration finds it convenient to brand as “Al Qaeda”
There is no “Al Qaeda Organization.”
“Al Qaeda In Iraq” is a Rovian Brand Strategy – just like “911″
People who find themselves occupied by a foreign invading force tend to fight back.
In other wars, our own government has branded them as “Freedom Fighters” when it serves the US Agenda.
The administration is attempting to create its own reality, based strictly on whether or not those who oppose our invading troops are wearing a uniform.
Sound anything like the Israeli occupation of Palestine, complete with check points and road blocks?
Who taught the US Troops torture techniques that would work specifically well on Arab detainees?
Coincidence?
Can US citizens traveling abroad on holiday become the victims of rendition? If Bush declares you an enemy, what are the limits? Can he declare that you are “Al Qaeda” and thereby subject you to the same interrogation practices and secret trials? Can he execute you?
Where does it stop?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:02 pmI wish every politician & voter who supports the degree of torture supported by the Bush admin would experience it firsthand and then make their decision. If after sitting through it they still don’t think it’s torture then I’d say let it be allowed. Mind you I also believe that every American who supports the war should enlist. And every politician who votes for the war should be required to have one child/grandchild enlist just to make them think hard about their vote. If they’re not willing to risk anything why should anyone else?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:03 pmTHIS IS DONE IN YOUR NAME:
http://rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fobserver.guardian.co.uk%2Fuk_news%2Fstory%2F0%2C%2C2137144%2C00.html
David Rose
Sunday July 29, 2007
The Observer
An Iraqi who was a key source of intelligence for MI5 has given the first ever full insider’s account of being seized by the CIA and bundled on to an illegal ‘torture flight’ under the programme known as extraordinary rendition.
In a remarkable interview for The Observer, British resident Bisher al-Rawi has told how he was betrayed by the security service despite having helped keep track of Abu Qatada, the Muslim cleric accused of being Osama bin Laden’s ‘ambassador in Europe’. He was abducted and stripped naked by US agents, clad in nappies, a tracksuit and shackles, blindfolded and forced to wear ear mufflers, then strapped to a stretcher on board a plane bound for a CIA ‘black site’ jail near Kabul in Afghanistan.
He was taken on to the jail at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba before being released last March and returned to Britain after four years’ detention without charge.
‘All the way through that flight I was on the verge of screaming,’ al-Rawi said. ‘At last we landed, I thought, thank God it’s over. But it wasn’t – it was just a refuelling stop in Cairo. There were hours still to go … My back was so painful, the handcuffs were so tight. All the time they kept me on my back. Once, I managed to wriggle a tiny bit, just shifted my weight to one side. Then I felt someone hit my hand. Even this was forbidden.’
He was thrown into the CIA’s ‘Dark Prison,’ deprived of all light 24 hours a day in temperatures so low that ice formed on his food and water. He was taken to Guantanamo in March 2003 and released after being cleared of any involvement in terrorism by a tribunal.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:03 pmcaught it. I alerted Rude Pundit and he wrote about it.
an excerpt:
Then Cheney made this statement: “In a sense, when you’re at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with.†So, like, if, in a sense, the Gitmo campers are “prisoners of war,†then, in a sense, don’t they get Geneva Conventions protections?
Cheney and Gonzales have been playing a semantics game to justify torture, since “war†was never formally declared. It’s pretty obvious why they chose to embark upon the path of war without ever formally declaring it – so they could not be held accountable for the War Crimes they knew they’d be committing.
Bush tells us every day that we’re at war. Cheney and Gonzales tell us that we’re not REALLY at war.
Problem is, Cheney is on tape stating not only that we are at war, but that we are holding “prisoners of war.â€
The Geneva Conventions DO APPLY, and Cheney is guilty of war Crimes.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRANSCRIPTS/ 0505/ 30/ lkl.01.html
KING: They specifically said, though, it was Guantanamo. They compared it to a gulag.
D. CHENEY: Not true. Guantanamo’s been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. Remember who’s down there. These are people that were picked up off the battlefield in Afghanistan and other places in the global war on terror. These are individuals who have been actively involved as the enemy, if you will, trying to kill Americans. That we need to have a place where we can keep them. In a sense, when you’re at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with.â€
So this is the war without end, and these prisoners will be held forever?
http://www.newyorker.com/ fact/ content/ articles/ 060227fa_fact
New Yorker
From the article:
Yoo believed that the President’s role as Commander-in-Chief gave him virtually unlimited authority to decide whether America should respond militarily to a terror attack, and, if so, what kind of force to use. “Those decisions, under our Constitution, are for the President alone to make,†he wrote in a law article.
A top Administration official told me that Yoo, Addington, and a few other lawyers had essentially “hijacked policy†after September 11th. “They thought, Now we can put our views into practice. We have the ability to write them into binding law. It was just shocking. These memos were presented as faits accomplis.â€
In Yoo’s opinion, he wrote that at Guantánamo cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of detainees could be authorized, with few restrictions.
“The memo espoused an extreme and virtually unlimited theory of the extent of the President’s Commander-in-Chief authority,â€
So this same approach was used across the board. Addington effectively sought to obtain “legal opinions†which were in fact illegal, with the specific intent to provide Bush and Cheney with sufficient legal cover to behave as Dictators and Kings, as there were virtually no laws that applied to them, as determined by edict.
This is where we stand today. There is not one single law that applies to Bush or Cheney. They have found lawyers who were willing to craft opinions stating that they were above the law, and in so doing, have subverted the Constitution of the United States.
This activity was intentional, willful and treasonous.
They were sworn to uphold the constitution.
Given this information, others in a position to do something about it (who also swore under oath to protect the Constitution against all enemies Foreign and DOMESTIC) now have an obligation to fulfill.
They must call for the impeachment of this administration. It is their legal obligation given the evidence before them.
Time to choose sides, folks.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:04 pmNothing “permitted†Truman to drop two nukes over Japan then either, right?
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Correct. Nothing permitted it. It was teh beginning of the end of civilization, and a thoroughly shameful act. Unnecessary, brutal, incomprehensible mass murder. After slavery and the genocide of the Native American tribes, it is the shame of our history, until Bush came along.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:10 pmIsrael trained US Troops in which torture techniques to use against Arabs.
Take that to the bank.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmThe progtards on TP are scary for giving a damn about world opinion when “torture†like waterboarding saves US lives.
Comment by RizzoisaGREATAMERICANwhoinfuriatesprogressivePCidiots — September 11, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
entirely, completely, ass backwards. wrong. torture only permits everyone else to torture, and many American soldiers will pay the price for the treason of Bush. One only hopes that they survive to exact fitting revenge, whatever that may be. Yoo would look great dancing on the end of a rope. And so would you.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmThe only mistake with dropping the A Bomb on Japan in my estimation was we used it on a civillian target. If they had dropped it on a military target that would isolate civillian deaths, then that would have been a justifiable move.
But I won’t condem Truman for dropping it. There were a lot of Americans who would have died for a war we did not start if we didn’t, and so I just won’t second guess the decision, other than to say I’d have picked a military or symbolic target that minimized civillian casualties.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:13 pmRACIST BRAINWASHING
The propagation of the idea that Palestinians are Arab and Muslim fanatics not deserving of rights and equality, let alone their own state, has been an indispensable part of the process of the creation, expansion, and support of the state of Israel since 1948.
What has helped these ideas spread and become “legitimate” in the US are not neoconservatives like Krauthammer, but liberal supporters of Israel who are actively involved in the Democratic Party and social justice causes.
http://www.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2006/9/13/2320147.html
September 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThere were a lot of Americans who would have died for a war we did not start if we didn’t, and so I just won’t second guess the decision, other than to say I’d have picked a military or symbolic target that minimized civillian casualties.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 11, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
check your history, Bartlebee, and understand that Truman dropped 2 A-bombs, and the war was just about won without them. Your assessment of military targets being better is correct, but an atom bomb doesn’t limit itself to the target. The second one was a warning to Russia, at the expense of thousands of innocent Japanese. American presidents are all too eager to kill innocents to make their points, and Bush is the nastiest of the bunch, a psychopath in the Richard Speck-Ted Bundy mold.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pmProg.orgs would have opposed waterboarding poooor Mohammad Atta if they thought it could have prevented 9/11……….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Perhaps the administration could have given a damn that the plan was in motion in the first place.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe recent foiled terrorism attempts didn’t rely on torture. They relied on good intelligence and inter-agency coordination. Like not ignoring memos from the Phoenix field office.
Torture doesn’t work.
But most important, torture is not what America is about. We condemn others for their use of torture, and rightly so. We lost the moral high ground under W.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:24 pmcheck your history, Bartlebee, and understand that Truman dropped 2 A-bombs, and the war was just about won without them.
Comment by ronjazz — September 11, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
I don’t need to check my history Ron. I am quite familiar with both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the war was NOT well won without them.
I know because my favorite uncle was busy fighting them in the Phillipines, where estimations of 50,000 dead GI’s were calculated to acheive victory there.
I am not condoning what Truman did. I think it was wrong to drop them on two civilian cities, and I would never have done it. But I was not in that position at the time, and I don’t know what I would have done after being put through such a bloody and horrific war as the Japanese waged in the Pacific. I am pretty sure I wouldn’t have dropped them on military targets though, and not civillian.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:25 pmI guess they are allowing “ronjazz” to post from jail?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pmSo I am not condoning it, and a lot of their people died.
But thats a pretty good reason for not launching all out full scale global war against a country like the US.
We didn’t ask for that war. And we didn’t start it. But we sure as hell finished it.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:27 pmI guess they are allowing “ronjazz†to post from jail?
Comment by Jake D. — September 11, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Why, did your dad call and tell you he saw him there?
September 11th, 2007 at 7:28 pmOMG
Potentially game-changing.
http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570
September 11th, 2007 at 7:30 pmron or Bart, I’m not real familiar with the topic of the bombs, but I wonder if we see it as the horror it was in hindsight. Were they aware at the time of the awesome magnitude of loss of life and the aftermath they would be inflicting? Did they know the cities would be obliterated?
I’m not defending the bombings, because I have my own perspective. What I’m curious about is their perspective, and obviously I haven’t read much on the topic.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:31 pmBut I also don’t blame you Ron, for questioning it or condemning it. Mass genocide is not exactly high up on my list of morals.
I am just saying for me, its one area thats above my pay grade. There were a lot of factors there, and I am glad we won the war, and that it didn’t cost my uncles, or my dads life for that matter. (If the war had continued my dad would have almost surely been shipped out to the phillipines).
September 11th, 2007 at 7:33 pmTroqua. I see it as the horror that it was.
But remember. Japan declared war on us. The Japanese people were prepared to fight us to the death. I would have probably dropped the bomb too. I just would have dropped it on what was left of the Japanese fleet, or some other obscure military target.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:41 pmBut torture. My dad and his brothers fought people who believed torture was a good thing, and so did every American back then. We considered those who used torture to be evil. ALL of America did.
Torture IS evil. It is the ulimtate expression of evil.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:43 pmWhy, did your dad call and tell you he saw him there?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
His boyfriend… you know what Republican tastes are.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:49 pmOh yea.
It was probably Duke Cunningham.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmSince when did human rights become contrary to American values?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Since the day that Bush and the neoCONs took over our country.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by BARTLEBEE
Sorry to meddle, but wasnt Russia just defeating Japan in Manchuria when the bombs went down?
The bombs were a message to Russia, not to Japan.
September 11th, 2007 at 7:53 pmWhere does it stop?
Comment by ace
Where do you stop ace. You know, you have some good things to say. But your lengthly cut and paste posts are very irritating. Why can’t you simply type up a synopsis of the article you are cutting and pasting from and then link to the article if people are interested. Instead you muck up this site by posting your lengthly cut and paste posts. In some ways, you are as bad as the trolls here.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThe bombs were a message to Russia, not to Japan.
Comment by Juan C — September 11, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
I never debated that they were not a message to Russia. Particularly Nagasaki.
All I am saying is that we were engaged in heavy fighting in the Phillipines (the “clean up, as it was called was bloody and horrific) and estimates as high as 50 to 90,000 casualties were predicted to push the fall of Japan.
I believe it was wrong to drop them on civiliian cites, and I would have picked more military type targets with less civiliian casualties, but I do understand “why” they decided to do it. Not only were both cities valuable as communications and supply points, there were some military targets, America hated Japan for dragging us through such a horrible and bloody conflict, and at the time, there was probably a touch of revenge in it.
I don’t condone it. And I would not have done it myself. I just can’t jump on the wagon of condemning Truman for doing it. There were a lot of factors there, and for once, America WAS in danger of being destroyed. That is why what the republicans are doing with Iraq and the terrorism is so appalling.Because we are NOT in danger of being destroyed from without. Just from within.
But I don’t fault anyone for condemning the bombings. I condemn the mass killing of civillians too, which is a good reason to not wage offensive war, like the country of Japan decided to do.
The act of waging offensive war is a good way to get your country wiped off the face of the planet. Just look at Rome.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:09 pmWhat the world community needs to do is get together and outlaw offensive war.
Once we outlaw offensive war as a global community, then war will cease to exist.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:11 pmOnce we outlaw offensive war as a global community, then war will cease to exist.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Semantics, Bart. Thats the whole purpose of False Flag Ops.
There will be wars as long as it is more profitable to kill people than to care about them.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWell, no.
There will be wars as long as there are rich people and there are poor people dying for them.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:18 pmNot if the global community comes together and outlaws offensive war if the law is honored. Once they do, anyone launching an offensive war, including us, would be immediately repelled and if necessaary, disarmed by the world community.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:23 pmOne things for sure. The Presidency of George W Bush proves without a doubt, that the American democracy is not a perfect system and requires more checks and balances and safeguards if we are not going to be a constant threat to the global community. We need to make sure that no executive is ever permitted to run amuck again.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:25 pmOffensive war needs to be outlawed, and the US needs to honor that law.
You iknow its funny. Mitt Romney’s a mormon pushing offensive war, yet Mormon scripture predicts that America will lose any offensive war it starts.
Guess Mitts not a “readin mormon”.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:29 pmThe United States of America does not torture human-beings.
Comment by Frank Rizzo, Sr. — September 11, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Yea. Its the government of the United States of America that does the torturing.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pmThe republicans will tell you that the only way to beat the enemy is to adopt the tactics of the enemy. To overcome them, we must essentially become them, or at least as cold and bloodthirsty as they are.
But don’t you beleive it.
America is better than that. WE are better than that. And we are better than the terrorists and better than the torturers and better than the Taliban. We don’t beat our women. We don’t oppress the masses. We don’t launch offensive war and we don’t torture.
Unless a republicans in charge.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:36 pmI am glad that bin Laden escaped. Americans are to rich, the poor peoples are better.
Comment by Juan C — September 11, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
You’ll have to do better than that Mr P. Juan has much better grammar skills than that.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:37 pmYeah, Bart, you are right. If the whole world converted to Islam and read Chomsky like bin Laden says, things would be better.
Comment by Juan C — September 11, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Like most pathetic republican bootlickers, all you can do is invent a position for me that I do not ascribe to, so that you have something to debate.
SHOW me where I said that.
Hint. You can’t. Because I didn’t.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:39 pmThe tectonic plate of every third-world country needs to dry-hump the entire U.S. They deserve it all, since they’re so successful and wealthy.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:39 pmThe would be better off with people like Osama Bin Laden behind bars or dead.
And people like you safely tucked away in the state sanitorium.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pmAnd stop using Juan’s handle.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pmDoing so proves you can’t debate me head on, which is why you have to resort to your shenannigans.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:41 pmThey should transfer the “most dangerous” professor listings in the U.S. to that of “the best and brightest.”
America is a progressive culture, or progressive-in-name-only.
Losing is synonymous with the word “progressive,” as we consider.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:41 pmBin Laden has already finished my thesis! I’ll be hired and tenured in no time.
How much do I owe you, sandman?
September 11th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI haven’t had sex in a week. Poor me.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pmWith human rights, we should away from those who’ve committed no crime. Like in a transfer of wealth, we can do a transfer of security, rights, freedom of speech to those hardened criminals!
I’m a scholar!
September 11th, 2007 at 8:48 pmWell looks like the poor trolls broken and can only post futile attempts of hijacking, which will no doubt be removed by morning.
How sad.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:49 pmZooey, are you there? Give me your love if finish your arithmetic homework any time soon.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:49 pmI robbed an old lady yesterday. Thereafter, I rewarded myself at Dairy Queen and went on home to finish my thesis.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:51 pmWill you fart and pee in my face, BARTLEBEE?
September 11th, 2007 at 8:51 pmTrolls should receive the indictment, not serial killers. Send them flowers, chocolate, and eventual freedom, and bus them into gated communities on the taxpayer dollar.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:53 pmI call for the extermination and poverty of hard working white people, regardless of the good they’ve done.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:54 pmNo, Academics should be rich regardless of the crap they print.
1 graded paper = $1,000,000,000. And that’s out of a 300+ lecture room.
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September 11th, 2007 at 8:56 pmHmmm… somebody’s quit takin’ their meds, AGAIN!!!
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This guy is the new Himler for this administration. He likes to torture people so I think he’s acceptable to them, but not the American people. Something is seriously wrong with Bush. He doesn’t think there is anything wrong with torture. For the President to be appointing this guy tells you all you need to know about his character. He claims to be a christian, but Jesus wouldn’t approve of him or his methods. Juan C you are an idiot. Anyone who tortures prisoners must question his true feelings about religion.
September 11th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 11, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Hey, Republic. Meet in the “dark room with the drafting table” at 12:00, right in Mexico. I can’t even recall exactly what town, but I’m sure you’re smart enough to find it.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:00 pmHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
I thought you like the tex-mex flavor, Zoo?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:01 pmI have to get up in the morning to teach a explosives class, so I have to go review my notes.
Bye, Zooey! Be prepared to suck me long and fat one right before class!
September 11th, 2007 at 9:02 pmFunny Mr P. And you know whats really funny?
That by morning, all your little posts hijacking Juans handle will be gone, and you will once more be rendered impotent.
Just like in bed with your sister.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:06 pmThe progtards on TP are scary for giving a damn about world opinion when “torture†like waterboarding saves US lives.
Comment by RizzoisaGREATAMERICANwhoinfuriatesprogressivePCidiots — September 11, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
You would kill the rest of the world, to the last man, in order to save one US life.
That’s the image you project. That’s what created so many terrorists.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:15 pmSigh. I think it’s pathetic that Mister P lowers himself to namejacking.
On the other hand, we’re talking about the same Mister P who claimed that the Saudis weren’t muslims, and that Russia was an Islamic country.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:27 pmKudos to Sen. Wyden for putting a hold on Rizzo’s nomination. Anyone who promulgates torture or refuses to stop it, does not deserve to serve this country in any capacity. The America I grew up in does not torture and would not allow it from any of its officials.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:31 pmLawrence Rafferty
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Russia was an Islamic country.
Comment by Luis M — September 11, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
Huh??? How’d I ever miss that one?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:35 pmHmmm… somebody’s quit takin’ their meds, AGAIN!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 11, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
either that or mr p has just got back from hannity’s peace,love and vote for rudy neocon religious wingnuts concert
September 11th, 2007 at 9:51 pmmmm…hijacking. All they got.
*sigh*
September 11th, 2007 at 10:07 pmNot if the global community comes together and outlaws offensive war
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 11, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
A sharp, well-informed blogger like yourself should know that “offensive wars” were outlawed by the Neurenberg Tribunals many years ago. Blame American excepcionalism (we don’t obey international law unless it is to our advantage) for the present round of war. By the way, my favorite uncle was also on stage to invade Japan before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says that he was told that casualty figures would be in the thousands in order to take Japan. Does that justify an atomic bomb on a civilian population? I don’t know, but my uncle says it was a great idea!
September 12th, 2007 at 12:18 amYea, I know. It was for Pearl Harbor. But I was hoping for one that they’d honor.
September 12th, 2007 at 1:18 amAs for the A Bomb, they didn’t need to hit civilians. They could have picked another target.
September 12th, 2007 at 1:19 amThe U.S. doesn’t torture, period.
September 12th, 2007 at 2:44 amAs for the A Bomb, they didn’t need to hit civilians. They could have picked another target.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 12, 2007 @ 1:19 am
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You don’t know shit about history.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:04 amYea, when the ragheads hit DC you VERY FUNNY leftist are going to have shit all over your faces; but then a shitty face liberal looks no different than a raghead. Then what are all these poor, underprivileged folks without health insurance and welfare going to do? Won’t matter then will it? Maybe the ragheads will have pity and slit your throat really fast or stick a grenade up your great sphincter, YO!!!!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:19 amWe win everytime a terrorist dies.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:29 amHuh??? How’d I ever miss that one?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — September 11, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
It was about a month ago, if I recall correctly… and yeah, it was a pretty stupid statement Mister P did. Only comparable to the one he said about the Saudis.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:03 amMore whining, but no Congressional action to block funding for illegal war crimes. Hypocrites!
September 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pm