ThinkFast: September 11, 2007
ThinkFast: September 11, 2007
In New York City, “the firefighters and first responders who helped rescue New Yorkers” — and later recovered the dead — from the World Trade Center, will “‘read victims’ names for the first time Tuesday at the sixth anniversary ceremony.” Tributes are also planned in Shanksville, PA, where Flight 93 went down, and in Washington, DC.
Six years after 9/11, just three in 10 Americans “believe that the U.S. and its allies are winning the war on terrorism,” according to a new CNN poll. That number is down from 41 percent “when the same question was asked at the beginning of last year.”
Contradicting President Bush’s homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend, who recently called Osama bin Laden “virtually impotent,” “U.S. intelligence and law enforcement chiefs and a Cabinet member said Monday that Osama bin Laden remained the most dangerous terrorist threat to the United States six years after the 9-11 attacks.”
A new AP poll finds that the “public sees the Iraq war as a failure and thinks the U.S. troop buildup there has not worked.” By “59 percent to 34 percent, more people said they believe history will judge the Iraq war a complete or partial failure than a success.”
Yesterday while Gen. David Petraeus and Amb. Ryan Crocker testified to Congress about progress in Iraq, nine U.S. troops in Iraq were killed. Additionally, a “truck bomb killed 10 people and wounded 60 in northern Iraq, police said.”
In an “effort to show that the Justice Department engaged in political prosecutions,” House leaders “are beginning an investigation this week of the prosecution of Don Siegelman, the former Democratic governor of Alabama who was imprisoned in June on federal corruption charges.”
46: Number of senators, including six Republicans, who yesterday called on President Bush “to rescind new administrative restrictions that will make it harder for states to expand their popular State Children’s Health Insurance Program.”
And finally: The “highly anticipated hearing before the Armed Services and Foreign Affairs committees” yesterday was marked with “outbursts from CODEPINK protesters and snafus with witnesses’ microphones.” “That really pisses me off, Duncan,” said chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO), not realizing his mic was still on. When Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) “leaned in” to talk about the protestors, Skelton could be heard stating, “Those a–holes.”
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6 years later, Osama Been Forgotten is still free and at large. Whatever happened to will we get him “dead or alive”. Another empty Bush pledge.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:12 amYes, let’s remember the victims.
But let’s also remember the perpetrators:
http://www.asecondlookatthsaudis.com
Six years later and we still haven’t lifted a finger against those truly responsible for 9/11, thanks to the “leadership” of Pres. Bush.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:14 amDid they ever explain yesterday’s “vehicle accident” that killed 8 soldiers? What was this vehicle doing that it ended up flipping over and bursting into flames? But it “wasn’t” combat-related so it barely got mentioned in all the surge-is-working hoopla. I smell a Tillman here.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:15 amSix years after 9/11, just three in 10 Americans “believe that the U.S. and its allies are winning the war on terrorism,†according to a new CNN poll.
So much for the Rethugs keeping us safe. But, then, many Americans realize that there is no “war” on terrorism. We have to deal with people who wish us harm, but going out and invading and occupying countries is not the way to stop them. All that does is create more people to wish us harm. The only way to stop people from wishing us harm is to address the issues that make them think that way. Muslims are not born hating the United States. But they, and many other people in this world, have learned to hate the United States because we meddle in other people’s affairs and we try to steal natural resources that belong to other countries, not to us.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:16 amTo commemorate the sixth anniversary of 9/11, President George Bush will participate in a response drill, where he will be told “the United States is under attack,” whereupon Mr. Bush will leap to action by reading a children’s book for the next seven minutes before even consulting with his advisors.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:16 am#1. Yup–Bush smoked him right out of his hole and into a nice luxury flat in Pakistan.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:16 amThis morning, on the sixth anniversary of 9/11, Osama bin Laden was heard to say, “Hahaha!! I’m still free!!”
September 11th, 2007 at 9:17 amA new AP poll finds that the “public sees the Iraq war as a failure and thinks the U.S. troop buildup there has not worked.â€
It’s too bad that the public sees things that our so-called “leaders” can’t see. Why the Democrats are still scared of the Rethugs, with those kind of poll numbers backing them is beyond me.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:20 amAll other sources (except Petraeus) point to no progress in Iraq, not to mention this administration has successfully changed the dialog from when to withdraw troops (main topics last year) to whether to draw down the surge or not – how many times are we going to fall for this?
General Petraeus has lost a lot of respect in my eyes. Any General advocating the continuation of this strain on our troops without suggesting a draft or other alternative to reduce the burden on our already stressed military does not have troop welfare on his agenda. He is acting more and more like a political figure instead of a general in charge of the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soldiers and Marines.
Let’s not even get into the chickenhawks that insist that this occupation is ESSENTIAL to our security but refuse to fight in it! Must only be essential if someone else spends 1 year out of ever 4 in intense combat
September 11th, 2007 at 9:22 amIn a CBS/NYT poll, 5% say Bush is capable of handling the War in Iraq.
The poll had a 3-percentage-point margin of error.
Stunning.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:22 amOnly three in ten Americans believe we are “winning the war on terrorism”. Of the remaining seven, how many of those believe we are losing the WOT, how many believe the WOT is a stalemate, and how many are completely confused as to what, exactly, the WOT is or has become? Count me in that last group.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:22 amWake me up when September ends.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:23 amHappy 9-11 trolls! It’s your faaaaaavorite day! Who wants ice cream? Rudy! OF COURSE….
September 11th, 2007 at 9:23 am“I don’t think this will change anything in our country because the Americans will never leave Iraq.†said Saleh Adnan, a car mechanic. “For me, the main report will be the one which announces the American departure.â€
He’ll have to wait for six-months to see if it’s possible.
Then he’ll have to wait another six months after that, because the previous six months didn’t really start until much later.
Then he’ll have to wait another six months before a report can determine if we can begin thinking about leaving.
Then he’ll have to wait another six months before the results of the report can be released.
Then he’ll have to wait another six months before . . . . .
Why do right-whiners never finsh a job they claim they can do? Why do they always say “another six months” forever?
Why do righties refuse to take responsibility for their actions?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:25 amSix years later and the PNAC nightmare is still in full swing. The true perpetrators will be found out. Does anyone still buy the official story of 9/11?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:26 amOsama bin Laden has basically become a political tool for the Repubs’ marketing machine — just like Al Qaeda has. When the R’s need to talk about their “successes”, OBL and AQ are weak and impotent. When the R’s need to scare the crap out of Americans, OBL and AQ are strong and dangerous.
Even though more and more Americans are getting wise to these manipulations, it still benefits our leaders to leave OBL uncaptured.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:28 amif you look where the money is going then the chinese are benefitting the most from “the war on terrorism”.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:29 amYesterday while Gen. David Petraeus and Amb. Ryan Crocker testified to Congress about progress in Iraq, nine U.S. troops in Iraq were killed.
And if Congress caves to Bully Boy Bush again, another 600+ of our soldiers will die in the next six months and all for nothing. Even if the “surge” was working, it is only temporary. Because there is no functioning government in Iraq, no political solutions can be achieved. So, once the “surge” is let up, we will be right back where we were six months ago except for the fact that another 1,200 soldiers are dead and another 5,000+ are wounded.
I really don’t understand why people don’t get it. There is no military solution in Iraq. All we are doing, by occupying their country, is making things worse. The Iraqi people think this way and they want us out of their country.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:30 amGe. Patraeus and Ambassador Crocker offered the same tired rhetoric we’ve heard in the past from this administration. The truth is that there is no credible plan to achieve a democratic stable Iraq and disengage. The US embassy in Bagdad and the contruction of new US bases indiquates that the rhe supporters of this war plan to continue to control Iraq as a puppet state at the cost of more lives and billions in money poured down a black hole, and an imperial presidency running rough shod. Let’s hope next year’s presidential election results in a leadersip that truly represents the voters. There is no Republican candidate who has a plan different from that of the current bunglers.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:32 amWhen the war pigs talk of “victory” or “defeat” in Iraq, they are speaking as they always are, in their narrow, provincial self-interest. They are never concerned with the welfare of the entire nation, just their own personal fortunes.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:33 amThose a– holes
September 11th, 2007 at 9:40 amWas Skelton directing his namecalling at the CODEPINK protesters or the sound technicians?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:40 amRe: Contradicting President Bush’s homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend, who recently called Osama bin Laden “virtually impotent,†“U.S. intelligence and law enforcement chiefs and a Cabinet member said Monday that Osama bin Laden remained the most dangerous terrorist threat to the United States six years after the 9-11 attacks.â€
Somebody send Frances the link to the FBI web site, where Osama is listed in the Most Wanted Terrorists section (Note of interest: he is NOT wanted in connection with the 9/11 attacks. Hmmmm).
September 11th, 2007 at 9:40 amAre Petraeus and Crocker NOT testifying under oath?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:42 amIs that true? Haven’t we been down this road before?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 11, 2007 @ 9:25 am
We’ll be getting promises in Friedman units until January 2009. That would be about three more.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:43 amProtesters. They demeaned themselves and their causes by their outbursts.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:43 amSix years later and the PNAC nightmare is still in full swing. The true perpetrators will be found out. Does anyone still buy the official story of 9/11?
Comment by buzzbomb — September 11, 2007 @ 9:26 am
It was still an act of terrorism – a violent act carried out to achieve political aims. Whether the act was funded by Usama bin Laden, Mossad, or the Carlyle Group is immaterial.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:44 amAre Petraeus and Crocker NOT testifying under oath?
Is that true? Haven’t we been down this road before?
Comment by Marie — September 11, 2007 @ 9:42 am
This may have been a condition they insisted on if they were asked to shovel manure for the administration. I can just imagine the convo — “All right, but if you want me to be less than truthful, don’t make me do it under oath”…
September 11th, 2007 at 9:46 am6th anniversary of the THE bungled lie…whoopie.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:50 amThe darkest chapter of our country’s history occured 6 years ago today.
It obviously was a horrific, tragic day that all old enough will remember as if it was yesterday, and will never forget.
It was an event that united this country like no other (Hell, it united most of the world). It was an event, that today, should have rendered those responsible brought to justice.
But alas, politics became more important then justice, more important then peace and tranquility.
We, the people of the USA, the two major political parties, are to blame!
The Administration, for instead of focusing on the perpetrators (Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden), falsey lead us into a confrontation with Iraq (and Sadaam) which HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!
Shame on you who blindly followed this occupation, who were more than happy to be spoon feed what to believe, and covered their eyes when our liberties where conviently trampled upon.
Shame on us for not doing more to prevent this quagmire, and for not doing enough when it became apparent that Iraq was about Oil, not justice.
The souls who were perished that fateful day deserve better. They deserved a country that cast politics aside, and united for justice, and for peace. Their souls were used for political agendas and gains, and that is unforgivable. It was never more apparent than the 2004 presidential elections.
My comment is done. I will not troll bash today, nor will I engage in asinine debates with posters who want to disrupt these threads. Instead, I will think about all the victims as the time approaches when the first WTC building collapse. I will think about what could’ve been for this great country, contemplate what we can do to end these poltical stalemates, and will mourn the tragic losses of our heroes serving overseas. I will however, stay positive today, and do something good for the community. Maybe make a donation to help feed the poor downtown. Maybe give some lunch to a homeless person. Maybe just help a little ol’ lady change her tire. Who knows, but I will be positive.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:50 amGood Day All! God Bless!
See you tomorrow
We should all thank the protestors.
“The path of safety lies in the opportunity to discuss freely supposed grievances and proposed remedies; and that the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones.” — Justices Brandeis and Holmes (1927)
“Free speech is the rule, not the exception.” — Justice Douglas (1951)
September 11th, 2007 at 9:51 amI’d like to hear more on the plans this administration has in the way of economic stability in Iraq. What’s the status of the programs designed to get Iraqis working? What plans have been put down to get Iraqis fresh water, electiricity, proper sanitation and other waste removal?
These are the keys to a secure Iraq. The surge was designed to provide the initial stability for these. I have yet to here of the concrete plans and successes in this arena.
Anyone have any news of this? Positive or negative.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:52 amIt is so nice posting here in the morning before Mr. Pee and Michael awaken from their drug induced sleep.
But, I have to again ask, why do you bother with michael. Why don’t you just ignore him. The last post before this was 50% michael’s inane rants and 25% people responding to him. Which left less than 25% of a 200+ thread something worth reading.
Why don’t you just ignore the fool? You know that nothing you say is going to penetrate his pea brain.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:53 amI will not troll bash today
I will for you then. But they are nowheres to be found! Maybe they’re out looking for Osama… I hear he has a new top 40 hit…
September 11th, 2007 at 9:54 amThe protesters were not protesting, they were making a mockery of the hearings and of their causes. They yelled and made a commotion disrupting the proceedings. This in no way helped their cause, and made them look primitive. Hopefully they were all prosecuted, not only for their disruptions, but also for their stupidity.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:55 amDoes anyone still buy the official story of 9/11?
Comment by buzzbomb — September 11, 2007 @ 9:26 am
Well, leaving the other debatable issues aside, the one thing that keeps me questioning the events is the “collapse” of WTC 7. How anyone can watch this and look at a separate video of a building being imploded on purpose, and not see the eery similarities, is beyond me. Not only that, the building was not hit by any aircraft yet fell in the same manner as the Twin Towers. The building fell all at once, not partially.
As for our government being involved, it can be debated until the end of time. All I have to say is that anyone who thinks that our government could not…would not…attack its own people in order to justify an attack on another country is an uninformed idiot. Google “Operation Northwoods” for more info.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:55 amwhy on ABC News yesturday I saw Eye Rackees bowling at a brand new bowling alley. Now that is progress
September 11th, 2007 at 9:56 amWhy are Petraeus and Crocker giving opening statements to the Biden committee? Just replay their appearance on Fox last night and let’s get on with the questioning.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:58 amThe Christian Science Monitor has an excellent story by Andy Zelleke titled “When Not to Start a War.” I recommend it highly:
September 11th, 2007 at 9:59 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070911/cm_csm/yzelleke11
Comment by Menehune — September 11, 2007 @ 9:15 am
More info? As an Army truck-driver, I could prob give a bit of insight.
Also, yesterday I said that Petraeus ws lying through his teeth when he said his report had not been shown to anyone at the Pentagon orWhite House…..I take it back. But I bet it was shown to someone FROM one or both. Nice choice of words, Sir.
Hit & Run…gotta go.
September 11th, 2007 at 9:59 amThe trolls will be 1 hr. late today due to the fact that all short buses are grounded in honor of the 9/11 anniversary.thank you
September 11th, 2007 at 9:59 amYou conspiracy nuts are idiots. 9/11 wasn’t a conspiracy, building 7 wasn’t imploded; it takes a lot of people, time, and a lot of work to prepare a building for demolition. These conspiracies have been debunked so many times, how can you continue this line of thinking??
September 11th, 2007 at 10:00 amWhy do right-whiners never finish a job they claim they can do? Why do they always say “another six months†forever?
Why do righties refuse to take responsibility for their actions?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 11, 2007 @ 9:25 amiDubya, who never finished anything in his life, except his cookies and Yoo Hoo when he was a kid. As to taking responsibility, that is pretty self-explanatory.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:00 amComment by DRxJ — September 11, 2007 @ 9:50 am
I can’t remember when I’ve read a better post. Thank you DRxJ for a reminder of what is important. What to hold dear and what to focus on.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:02 amThe protesters were not protesting, they were making a mockery of the hearings and of their causes. They yelled and made a commotion disrupting the proceedings. This in no way helped their cause, and made them look primitive. Hopefully they were all prosecuted, not only for their disruptions, but also for their stupidity.
Comment by Ike Skelton
The hearings are already a mockery. they just called attention to that fact. I hope that people out here in “the hearthland” saw that at least some citizens are willing to speak up. I’m proud of them. You may not like their behavior, but, that is the only way they can be heard. Their duly elected reps (on both sides of the aisle) ignore them, and the msm ignores them. What else can people do?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:03 amGreat stuff, DrxJ.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:04 amThey weren’t really heard. You could hear them yelling this or that for a little, then being taken out of the room and prosecuted. There are good and bad ways to protest. Going into a room and disturbing the peace isn’t a good way to do it.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:06 amAll other sources (except Petraeus) point to no progress in Iraq, not to mention this administration has successfully changed the dialog from when to withdraw troops (main topics last year) to whether to draw down the surge or not – how many times are we going to fall for this?
General Petraeus has lost a lot of respect in my eyes. Any General advocating the continuation of this strain on our troops without suggesting a draft or other alternative to reduce the burden on our already stressed military does not have troop welfare on his agenda. He is acting more and more like a political figure instead of a general in charge of the lives of hundreds of thousands of Soldiers and Marines.
Let’s not even get into the chickenhawks that insist that this occupation is ESSENTIAL to our security but refuse to fight in it! Must only be essential if someone else spends 1 year out of ever 4 in intense combat
Comment by DanCaveman — September 11, 2007 @ 9:22 am
You are incorrect in stating that “all other sources” point to no progress in Iraq.
There are plenty of sources that point to progress in Iraq. I can list them if you wish..however, I won’t waste my time and yours if the sources will merely be ignored and discounted as they have in the past.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:07 amI had a feeling someone would point out that the hearing were already a mockery…
September 11th, 2007 at 10:07 amMr. Bigfoot,
I would like to see what has been labeled a success in Iraq. I have no doubt that the reasoning to go into Iraq was flawed and countless lives have been destroyed because of this. I also believe we are there and a cold sober assessment needs to be made of the situation and continual checks and balances have to be followed to ensure stability. I haven’t seen much in the way of success, nor have I seen much in the way of admission of guilt in the start of this but history will provide that evidence.
If Iraq can be stabilized then great. If it can’t, or hasn’t seen much improvement then to continue to lose blood and treasure for this mistake is only making it worse.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:13 amhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5750.html
YOU DON’T HAVE THE VOTES!!!
Bush and his war are here to stay. AND the cowardly Dems in Congress will never EVER have the votes to end the war. Even if Democrats win the White House, they won’t leave Iraq because NO ONE listens to you anti-American scum bags.
AND you think Bush is bad? Wait and see how Hilter in a dress handles the Iraq war. She’ll laugh in your face and escalate the war.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:14 am“This hearing is a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries
September 11th, 2007 at 10:14 amof a sham.â€
President Bush’s job approval rating climbs to 39%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval
September 11th, 2007 at 10:15 amTP = bin laden’s girlfriend. You even spout all his talking points.
TP = Traitors who should be tried and executed for treason.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:15 amThere are good and bad ways to protest. Going into a room and disturbing the peace isn’t a good way to do it.
Comment by Ike Skelton
I agree that there are better ways of protesting, unfortunetly being barricaded into a fenced in pen 4 miles from the proceedings isn’t getting the message across. People said the same thing about the cafeteria sit ins in the early 60’s (i’m not in any way equating the dangers that the two faced by the way) Good decent citizens disapproved of the ways that the dirty hippies protested the Vietnam war as well. How else could these protesters have gotten the attention of the msm. peaceful marches with oversize paper mache puppets are mocked, derided and ignored. they had a chance at a national stage and they took it.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:15 amCalm down. I highly doubt Hillary would actually escalate the war. Who is Vince?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:16 ami have to run rep skelton, take care.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:16 amThis is Rasmussen; does not count
September 11th, 2007 at 10:17 amQ : how come Bin laden is not mentioned on the FBI’s website as being responsible for 9/11?
Bin Laden is probably playing golf in Saudi Arabia with Clinton and Bush I.
9/11 is the biggest cover up of all time.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:17 am“President Bush’s job approval rating climbs to 39%.”
-on the plane youranus
September 11th, 2007 at 10:17 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 11, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Li’l Foot! Howza Neuticles™ hangin’ this am, dawg?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:18 amThere is probably no American today over the age of 12 who doesn’t remember exactly what they were doing six years ago this morning. I think back to the shock I felt and the way I just stayed glued to the television, trying to absorb the horror of what happened.
We Americans were united in our shock, our sorrow, our anger that day. We had the sympathy of the world in the wake of the attacks. Looking at the scorecard, how have we done since then?
We are no longer united. We as a society are as polarized as we ever have been, as our leaders have exploited 9/11 to make political hay.
We no longer have the sympathy of the world. We squandered that when we invaded a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
We haven’t captured the alleged “brains” behind the attacks — Osama bin Laden.
We have allowed our freedoms to erode in the name of the “war on terror”.
We have deposed a dictator in a country unrelated to the attacks and instigated a civil war — completely destabilizing that country. And have sacrificed over 3,700 American lives (and counting) doing so.
Surely we can do better to honor the memories of those who died that awful day six years ago.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:18 amFransios,
you’re feeding a particullarly moronic troll. Vince is a close friend of the clintions that was the first victim of the right wing smear machine. he commited suicide after being hounded by the right wing press and their stooges in the congress. Rush limbaugh took the occasion of his death to to falsly claim that hillary killed him because they were lovers. It was, and is a particulllary ugly moment in republican history, and the fact that this troll thiniks it’s cute should tell everyone what kind of a person he is.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:19 amThe protesters were not protesting, they were making a mockery of the hearings and of their causes. They yelled and made a commotion disrupting the proceedings. This in no way helped their cause, and made them look primitive. Hopefully they were all prosecuted, not only for their disruptions, but also for their stupidity.
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 9:55 am
In other words, we should all just shut the hell up and, as that wonderful role model Britney “I gave Madonna a french kiss” Spears tells us, trust the president.
Can we prosecute you for your ignorance?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:20 amYesterday’s Gallup poll has Bush’s approval rating at 33%.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:21 amKay, 9/11 wasn’t a cover up, there was no conspiracy as you see it. Give up.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:25 amSurprise surprise that polls like the AP/Ipsos have eight or nine in ten dems deciding the war is a failure.
Now all you need to do is figure the weight of the polling sample, the time of day, the city in which the calls were made, etc. etc.
The left wants to run everything by the polls which explains why their current leadership is so incredibly feckless.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:26 amI never said trust the president. I said their protest methods made them look moronic. “AHH AHH, I’m going to yell my beliefs in an otherwise quiet room!”
September 11th, 2007 at 10:27 amIke, the reason these ideas about 9-11 and the suspicion of Petraeus is because of the complete and shameless dishonesty of this administration. People have been lied to so many times to their faces, over both trivial and major issues that Bush and his masters and cronies have no credibility whatsoever left. Not a shred. We know better. They lie about EVERYTHING.
There is a long list of coverup and made-up stories and some of the worst involve this war intimately (see Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch). And it would be nice if the trolls and conservatives treated ALL the troops with such reverance and faith. On the one hand they tell scold us for being skeptical of Petraeus, while in the past they have smeared all manner of veterans and retired generals.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:27 amYou conspiracy nuts are idiots. 9/11 wasn’t a conspiracy, building 7 wasn’t imploded; it takes a lot of people, time, and a lot of work to prepare a building for demolition. These conspiracies have been debunked so many times, how can you continue this line of thinking??
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Then explain how a structure that didn’t even come close to experiencing the damage that the Twin Towers suffered happens to fall in such a graceful, perfect, manner. Show me the evidence that proves bldg. 7 was hit by debris at all the right points that would result in such an organized fall.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:29 amThere is a reason the dems are so hot to end the war and its all politics; they dont want to have the war if they happen to take the WH and need to make the decision to leave or not.
The spectre of the dems intransigence and fearfulness to use the military will raise its head yet again, a legacy they have tried unsuccessfully to shed and which will be compounded by any decision to retreat from a fight.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:30 am“Hilter in a dress” by Hillary whacked Vince
Did you mean Tranny Anny Coultergeist? I do agree with you on that one. Or maybe RUDEE, he has been shopping for his Fall ensemble.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:31 amComment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Do you deny that our government would conspire against its own people and likely get away without being caught?
Do you deny that Operation Northwoods existed?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:33 amKay, 9/11 wasn’t a cover up, there was no conspiracy as you see it. Give up.
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Ike, I’m not sure 9/11 was or wasn’t a cover up but there are many many questions that remain unanswered. It would be travesty to ‘give up’ looking for the answers as it does the victims families a tragic injustice.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:33 amYet another dismissal of the truther idiots who just cant get over themselves:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
This isnt the first study to crush the conspiracy nutheads and it wont be the last. Now all we need is for Ace to show up and regale us with tales of ‘Zionist Agents’ and the Mossad concocting and carrying out 911.
When in doubt blame the Jooos.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:34 amI haven’t time to go into detail of the structural intricacies of building 7 and what happened to it when debris, etc hit it and who knows what else. This myth has been debunked so many times. I’m sure you can easily find proof that you’re wrong. There will probably be TV shows on today proving you’re wrong also. There was one on the History Channel not long ago that thoroughly debunked all those myths.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:35 amCan we rename 9/11 “Rudy Gulliani Day” ?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:37 am#
Can we rename 9/11 “Rudy Gulliani Day†?
Comment by Andouille Adam — September 11, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Seriously, that guy LOVES 9/11
September 11th, 2007 at 10:38 amComment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Point out the inconsistencies between WTC 7 falling and a bldg being imploded.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:41 amNo.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:41 amSeriously, that guy LOVES 9/11
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:38 am
Just don’t ask the brave firemen and police officers of NY what they think of him, though. Might get kinda UGLEE!
September 11th, 2007 at 10:42 amMr. Bigfoot,
You had stated you could show evidence of the successes in Iraq and I requested them. Will you stand by your word and provide them?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by hellinabucket — September 11, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Looks like big foot pulled a drive-by today. Went to Wal-Mart to get his talking points and his Mountain Dew stash replenished.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:46 amIke, don’t bother talking to the “US govt. staged 9/11″ conspiracy nuts. They don’t respond well to facts and logic.
Besides, everyone knows it was the Jews.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:46 am#82 – “Will you stand by your word and provide them?” Comment by hellinabucket — September 11, 2007 @ 10:43 am
That would require a right-whiner to actually do what he said he would.
Anyone willing to hold their breath on this one?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:46 am#83 – “Besides, everyone knows it was the Jews.” Comment by Cynicon Implant — September 11, 2007 @ 10:46 am
And here I thought it was part of the gay agenda!
By the way, has anyone seen my copy of the gay agenda? I left it somewhere, and the gay mafia will re-arrange my spices if they hear I lost it!!!
September 11th, 2007 at 10:48 amGreat post DRxJ..I will be out of here for better Peace causes as well…Many other good comment’s….Sadly we have the black hearted little troll’s pounding their chest’s and key board’s with repetative reich winged hatred for Peace and anti war activests….Guess they would have all demonstrater’s and non reich winger’s locked up, huh. That’s 70% of the population now, we would be better served if it were the administration and the troll’s that were locked up for their crime’s and insanety…Time to hand out their med’s, would some one do that please…
Old iks comment’s were notable in that he seem’s to think all should shut up with the exception of the war monger’s that started and continue the bush madness…”There are good and bad way’s to protest”….Yah right!…..Let me say there are good and bad way’s to start war’s, how about that.? How about all the distruction that your god bush has caused…May I say (screaming) no one died because of the protester’s yesterday, many did die because of bull shit’s madness and your continuation of hate speech and war forever here..You are part of the problem, the protester’s and peace activest’s are the solution, fool…….Blessings to all…
September 11th, 2007 at 10:51 amComment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Well, the so-called “experts” with probably several hundred years of military experience (not to mention thousands of years of world history at their disposal, including that of the Middle East) combined, also told us that the Iraq “war” would last only 6 months. And we know how that turned out.
Plus, seeing as how all the steel from the WTC structures was rushed out of the country and sold to foreign scrapyards (guess the ones in the U.S. didn’t deserve the business) and thus didn’t get the scrutiny it should have, all the “experts” have to go on is video observation, much like Bill “She certainly seems to respond to visual stimuli” Frist.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:51 amNo breath holding today. Just a quiet reminder to the hooved one that he offered evidence but has yet to do the honorable thing and stand by his word.
Any other supporters of the conflict in Iraq have evidence of successes in that country? Unemployment rates dropping? Increased electricity availability? Anything?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:52 amThere is a reason the dems are so hot to end the war and its all politics; they dont want to have the war if they happen to take the WH and need to make the decision to leave or not.
Comment by Japaner — September 11, 2007 @ 10:30 am
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It’s not that the Democrats can’t make decisions, it’s that they didn’t make the stupid decision to invade, so why should they have to clean up the mess? Dems are soundly criticized by the right for not coming up with solutions to fix the problem they didn’t create.
This is like the kid who smashes a window with a baseball bat and then when another kid says that was a stupid thing to do, the bat-wielder says “Oh yeah? What are YOU gonna do to fix it?” Sound absurd? It is!
September 11th, 2007 at 10:52 amComment by Cynicon Implant — September 11, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Ike has so far refused to say that Operation Northwoods didn’t exist. Will you be the first?
September 11th, 2007 at 10:53 amSharon, you’re an idiot. I don’t support bush, but thanks for assuming that because I don’t support moronic protesters that I support bush.
WC, you’re also an idiot, and I’m not going to waste my time. You’re not a structural engineer are you? Then shut up about what caused the building to fall. You’re wrong.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:56 am“Hitler in a dress”…………………..Hmmmmm, sounds like Rudy to me. Or W.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:57 amHitler in a dressâ€â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..Hmmmmm, sounds like Rudy to me. Or W.
Comment by Uncle Ho — September 11, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Ho! Hello there.
NAW!! It is Tranny Anny Coultergeist in that little black DNA-covered cocktail dress. Especially when she hasn’t done the upper lip waxing for a few days.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:00 amOh boy, operation northwoods. I’m not a conspiracy nut, so until I used The Google, I didn’t even know what it was. Who really cares? Supposedly it was in the 60’s? Weren’t aliens also captured in the 60’s? Perhaps they’re related? Maybe the aliens corroborated with our Government and planned ‘operation northwoods’! Now we’re getting somewhere!
September 11th, 2007 at 11:01 am“Six years after 9/11, just three in 10 Americans “believe that the U.S. and its allies are winning the war on terrorism,†according to a new CNN poll. That number is down from 41 percent “when the same question was asked at the beginning of last year.—…..Progtards are delighted…..
September 11th, 2007 at 11:01 am…..Progtards are delighted…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Project much? Assuming you can speak for others? Or maybe facing reality causes severe headaches.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:04 amIke’s makes me laugh
September 11th, 2007 at 11:05 amBy the way, has anyone seen my copy of the gay agenda? I left it somewhere, and the gay mafia will re-arrange my spices if they hear I lost it!!!
Comment by Democrat Soldier
Nope, haven’t seen it DS. But here’s my understanding of it:
1. Have sex with as many strangers as possible — preferably in public places.
2. Insist that this behavior is no different from hetereosexual behavior.
3. Use a sympathetic media to promote this falsehood.
4. When this still doesn’t sway public opinion, insult the people you are trying to convince by calling them homophobes.
5. If this doesn’t work, don’t try to use legislation to change things. Go right to the courts to get what you want.
6. Cry in your latte as you realize that even though the courts gave you what you want, you still didn’t change peoples minds.
Does that help?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:07 amHiya upside! Have you ever noticed that Trannie Coulter’s Adam’s apple is larger than her bra cup size? Eeeewwwwww.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:07 amCynicon, I thought that was the Republican agenda
September 11th, 2007 at 11:08 am#95 – Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 11:01 am
And the Republi-tards continue to support failure and refuse responsibility for their actions.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:08 amCynicon; I see that you have a copy of the GOP plyabook. heh, heh
September 11th, 2007 at 11:08 am#98 – “Does that help?” Comment by Cynicon Implant — September 11, 2007 @ 11:07 am
Aww, sweetie, that’s just a copy of the “Closted Republican Agenda!!” ;-)
September 11th, 2007 at 11:10 amEverybody’s got jokes today!
September 11th, 2007 at 11:11 amHow quaint ike, those of us that disagree with your posting’s are idiot’s and you are still a fool…May I say you should go back to a repost that Marie made a few day’s ago of a writing…”first they came after the jew’s, I didn’t protest because I am not a jew”…Look it up….What ever it take’s to shine light on darkness, open closed hateful mind’s to Peace is the answer….No more bush war’s is the solution…..Honor the fallen by creating a world where there is no need for war’s…….
September 11th, 2007 at 11:12 amAww, sweetie, that’s just a copy of the “Closted Republican Agenda!!†;-)
Comment by Democrat Soldier
You got that right! I guess public restroom gay sex is a bi-partisan issue!
September 11th, 2007 at 11:15 am#
There is probably no American today over the age of 12 who doesn’t remember exactly what they were doing six years ago this morning. I think back to the shock I felt and the way I just stayed glued to the television, trying to absorb the horror of what happened.
We Americans were united in our shock, our sorrow, our anger that day. We had the sympathy of the world in the wake of the attacks. Looking at the scorecard, how have we done since then?
We are no longer united. We as a society are as polarized as we ever have been, as our leaders have exploited 9/11 to make political hay.
We no longer have the sympathy of the world. We squandered that when we invaded a country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
We haven’t captured the alleged “brains†behind the attacks — Osama bin Laden.
We have allowed our freedoms to erode in the name of the “war on terrorâ€.
We have deposed a dictator in a country unrelated to the attacks and instigated a civil war — completely destabilizing that country. And have sacrificed over 3,700 American lives (and counting) doing so.
Surely we can do better to honor the memories of those who died that awful day six years ago.
Comment by missmolly — September 11, 2007 @ 10:18 am
September 11th, 2007 at 11:16 amExcellent post. Surge or no surge the WOT is a farce for political and monitary gain.
You’re not an idiot because you disagreed with what I posted, you’re an idiot because you assumed that I support bush because of how I feel about those protesters. Yelling indoors is not a civilized way to express your opinions.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by Uncle Ho — September 11, 2007 @ 11:07 am
She/he can put the bra on inverted and not know the difference.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Fk you.
Who cares about Operation Northwoods? Anyone who should be concerned about what our government is capable of doing against its own people. Just the fact that they were THINKING about it should be of some concern to you. Obviously it’s not as your lighthearted dismissal, complete with aliens, proves. Yes, let’s just ignore it and pretend it never happened. I’m not saying run for the hills, but it is ignorance on your part to dismiss any suggestion of government conspiracy — whether in the past, current, or in the future — against its own people when there is historical proof that an actual event was being planned.
No, I am not a structural engineer. Are you? If so, good. I leave you with this, but I’m sure you’ll dismiss it as well…
Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish WTC 7 late in the afternoon of 9/11. In the documentary “America Rebuilds”, aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;
“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”
September 11th, 2007 at 11:18 amUpside-down – - YOU don’t hear Osama echoing conservatives. I keep wondering which Progtard helped OBL compose that stirring speech against the impotent Dem leadership capitalism and the war in Iraq……(Progs should be SO ashamed to have our enemy echoing their “sentiments” – - please put bags over your heads so decent Americans can know who you are and avoid you at all cost….)
September 11th, 2007 at 11:18 amcomment by upside @11:17
(:-D)
September 11th, 2007 at 11:19 amComment by Cynicon Implant — September 11, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Hey Cynicon,
Did you steal that Membership Handbook from the Log Cabin FRepublican Initiation ceremony? They want it back and said your membership is in limbo until it is returned.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:19 ammighty moron; why don’t you put a used assplug in your mouth & STFU?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:21 amI didn’t read that WC, and I’m not going to. “FK” you..
September 11th, 2007 at 11:21 amYelling indoors is not a civilized way to express your opinions.
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Neither is a President telling Americans that they are “disturbed” when addressing the lack of support for the “war.”
September 11th, 2007 at 11:21 amMegan says: “Progtards are delighted…..” that 3/10 Americans think the ‘GWOT’ is being ‘Won’. Megan fails to note that 0/10 Americans know what it means to ‘win the GWOT’. Instead Megan seeks to blame ‘progtards’ for the dismal performance of the Bush Administration and it’s water and spear carriers and the disappearance of goodwill and support for America in the world.
Unimaginative ideologues like Megan project blame in a way reminiscent of the myth of why Vietnam was lost or more importantly how the ’stab in the back’ myth of Weimar Germany led to Adolf Hitler.
Meanwhile, my contribution consists of drawing attention to the attitude of the world on September 12th 2001 and how much that had changed, not by today, but by September 7th 2006:
2001: “We are all Americans now” – http://www.worldpress.org/1101we_are_all_americans.htm
2006: “We are no longer all Americans now” http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/mai_yamani/2006/09/yamani.html
September 11th, 2007 at 11:22 amYOU don’t hear Osama echoing conservatives.
LOL. Osama is a religious fundamentalist. The republicans are religious fundamentalists. The echo is deafening.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:22 amComment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 11:18 am
What I see is the 6 year Hall Pass Dubya gave him so he could continue the NeoCon BushCo agenda. And he is doing a fine job, DUbya has gotta be SOOO proud of his Butt-hole Buddy, OBL, and I hear he may take the rover’s job at the WH.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:23 amHey Cynicon,
Did you steal that Membership Handbook from the Log Cabin FRepublican Initiation ceremony? They want it back and said your membership is in limbo until it is returned.
Comment by upside00
I know, I already got the letter. It was on the prettiest stationery!
BTW, where the hell did the name “Log Cabin” come from? Was it the name of some gay bar in San Fran or something?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:25 amA more telling poll would involve defining victory in a “war on terrorism.”
September 11th, 2007 at 11:25 amIke, Yelling anywhere for Peace is far better that your message of silencing the messenger’s….Now I intend to take my moving bill board out and about today instead of pounding key board’s and debating with a closed mind….It worked to end the war’s in the past and it will work again…Just what are you going to do today.?…..You don’t need to answer, I won’t be here to respond..My bet though is you will be here….pounding away.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:25 amGood, get out of here. Go get a job.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:27 am“BTW, where the hell did the name “Log Cabin†come from? Was it the name of some gay bar in San Fran or something?
Comment by Cynicon Implant — September 11, 2007 @ 11:25 am”
I don’t know …. maybe from the syrup, cause they are all soo sweet?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:28 am#105 – “….Honor the fallen by creating a world where there is no need for war’s…….
Comment by Sharon
EXCELLENT IDEA, Sharon!!!!!! Now if you could just get that message out to the Islamic enemies. Maybe coordinated incense lighting, group hugs, hand holding, and a spontaneous chorus of “OOOHHHHHhhhhhhhmmmmmmm…” could do the trick….
[sarc off]
September 11th, 2007 at 11:28 amI didn’t read that WC, and I’m not going to. “FK†you..
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 11:21 am
You aren’t going to read it because it will give credence to the idea of a government conspiring against its own people, an idea which you continue to deny despite proof to the contrary. Thus you won’t be able to say the government wouldn’t conspire against its own people on 9/11 and anyone who suggests so is loony. You can argue all day that they wouldn’t, but given historical context, that does not mean that the thought never entered their minds.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:29 amSlow on the draw here. Good point and good links, Terry the Turtle
September 11th, 2007 at 11:30 amBush has failed in going after OBL. 6 years OBL has been allowed to spread fear and that lends credence to the theorys that Bush needs OBL out there to continue spreading fear.
Why hasn’t Bush done all that he said he would do to capture OBL?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:32 amMighty Aphrodite, you push the fears of our Islamic enemies. How outraged are you that Bush has failed in capturing/killing the one responsible for the tragedy 6 years ago?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:34 amThere is plenty of evidence to show that you’re wrong about 9/11 being a conspiracy as you think it is. I gave the notion some credence until I saw the evidence. I’m not going to read that comment because it’s probably dumb and would waste my time, not because ‘it will give credence to the idea of a government conspiring against its own people’. Where is the proof that 9/11 was an inside job?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:34 am#119 – “….LOL. Osama is a religious fundamentalist. The republicans are religious fundamentalists. The echo is deafening.”
Comment by yikes
Christian fundamentalists abhor the violence and murder committed by so-called Christian fanatics….and say so LOUDLY. What do we get from CAIR? Sympathy for the “devil” and lawsuits. Secular humanists and atheists are not threatened by their Christian neighbours – prayed for, maybe….
Your side is a coalition of seemingly disparate groups….and now you have added the Enemy Leader to your rank, Osama bin Laden….
September 11th, 2007 at 11:37 am#112 – “YOU don’t hear Osama echoing conservatives.”Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Oh, really? Who first came up with the term “impotent Dem leadership”??? I’ll give you a clue: they are conservative, and Usam bin Laden echoed their term.
Go get a bag so you can cover your head now. . . . .
September 11th, 2007 at 11:39 am#130 – “Mighty Aphrodite, you push the fears of our Islamic enemies. How outraged are you that Bush has failed in capturing/killing the one responsible for the tragedy 6 years ago?”
Comment by hellinabucket
Helen – America’s Islamic enemies did not need their “fears pushed” before they attacked AGAIN. I am outraged that it took years to capture Eric Rudolph in the back woods of North Carolina…..I think the Afghan/Paki border is a tad more difficult terrain……
September 11th, 2007 at 11:42 amIdiot……
“BTW, where the hell did the name “Log Cabin†come from? Was it the name of some gay bar in San Fran or something?
Comment by Cynicon Implant — September 11, 2007 @ 11:25 amâ€
I don’t know …. maybe from the syrup, cause they are all soo sweet?
Comment by upside00 — September 11, 2007 @ 11:28 am
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Nice theories, but it’s actually a reference to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Born in a log cabin, you know.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:51 am9/11 = GOP porn
September 11th, 2007 at 11:53 amSo mighty you can’t come out and answer the question. How outraged are you that Bush has failed the american public for the last 6 years? OBL has not been captured/killed and this is squarely on Bush’s shoulders.
You use OBL’s words to attempt and slander the left but it’s the failure of the right that allows his words to exist.
Where’s the head of OBL? Why hasn’t that been priority #1?
September 11th, 2007 at 11:55 amI’m outraged.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:58 amReally Ike? Could you present some of that outrage? Could you describe the anger at this administration for taking their eyes off the one(s) responsible for the tragedy 6 years ago? You have more than enough outrage against the left but I have yet to see you take a stand and call out President Bush for failing the American public and allowing OBL to even exist today.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:02 pmYour side is a coalition of seemingly disparate groups….and now you have added the Enemy Leader to your rank, Osama bin Laden….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 11:37 am
We have not added UBL to our “rank.” The fact is that he speaks some truth. We may not like his tactics or his ideology, but much of what he says about globalization and the corporatocracy is true.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:05 pmCalm down, you idiot. I never made any comments about being outraged at the left! I have said that I don’t like how these protesters disturbed the peace. So many morons here. Just because someone doesn’t follow ‘party lines’ or whatever you want to call it (’liberal lines?’) that makes them the enemy? You’re just as bad as bush; if you’re not with us (on every issue), you’re against us.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:07 pmNo need to lower any argument to name calling Ike. I just asked for you to describe your outrage at Bush for his failure to capture/kill OBL.
I tend to agree with you on the persistence of conspiracy theories. I am more concerned with the direction this country was taken after the attacks.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by Cazzie Russell — September 11, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Thx for that. What I found interesting again about the Le Monde is, despite the title, that the article is very qualified – less about unstinting support for the US, but more about the threat of religious nihilism and the consequences of decades of misguided policy in the ME.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI just asked for you to describe your outrage at Bush for his failure to capture/kill OBL.
hellina, the Busheviks apologists love to criticise Clinton for his failure to capture/kill Bin laden (although I notice Megan offered that ‘the Afghan/Paki border is a tad more difficult terrain’ than the Carolinas). BUt what is not often examined or compared is how with ALL the military might of the US, the support of the US people for military power post 9/11 and the will to cow recalcitrant governments, in 6 years, Chimpy has completely failed to catch/kill Bin Laden either.
Well he had his chance at Tora Bora didn’t he? But then Bin Laden has been so much more useful to the PNAC project alive than dead, eh?
September 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmI’m sure I’d be preaching to the choir by going into my views on the bin laden issue. First bush wanted to get him, then when he couldn’t get him, he decided he’s not that big a deal. Why? Because bush got what he wanted, Iraq, cause ‘Saddam tried to kill mah daddy’ etc.. And now, bin laden, who was responsible for 9/11 is alive and well while Saddam, who also hated bin laden is dead, and Iraq is a disaster, caused by the United States. What’s not to be outraged about?
Very disjointed, but I haven’t the time.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:18 pmComment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
When you have the time, check out the two links I posted – I think they will resonate with your frustration somewhat.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pmTerrytheTurtle, I’m going thru the links now. I do believe OBL has served PNAC well.
Ike, we may be more alike than you realize.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pmChristian fundamentalists abhor the violence and murder committed by so-called Christian fanatics….and say so LOUDLY.
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Your side is a coalition of seemingly disparate groups….and now you have added the Enemy Leader to your rank, Osama bin Laden….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Disparate groups. LOL I’ll say that I have a very distinct ideas on religion and politics but distinct does not mean alone or incorrect.
I’ve added Osama to my rank? Wow you have no idea how stupid that makes you look. Is Pat Robertson or Rush Limbaugh or Ted Haggert or Jerry Falwell part of your rank?
The Christian fundamentalists you say are so damn LOUD are hardly sitting easy in their hypocritical pulpits.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:27 pm“…..We may not like his tactics or his ideology, but much of what he says about globalization and the corporatocracy is true.”
Comment by toasterhead
THAT is a strong condemnation of tactics and ideology?????????? Such pathetic progtards. (Pssst……. you forgot to mention “support for Israel” in addition to “globalization and the corporatocracy”)
September 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI may have read you wrong.. I’m just tired of people assuming that I’m some sort of liberal hating conservative, just because I don’t hold all of the ‘liberal’ views on all issues.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:33 pm#148 – Osama isn’t quoting Falwell or Limbaugh. Osama is parrotting Progtards.
The Judeo – Christian ethic alllows you to lbelieve as you wish without fear of hijacking or decapitation……the same cannot be said of your Islamic co-horts.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:33 pmIke, I think many people on here get that treatment, some more than others.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI like to think it’s because the TP faithful are under attack so much here, so are used to lashing out like that without really considering a person’s statement.
Terry, good links.
One passage sticks out to me. “Muslims who supported the project to democratise Iraq widely suspect that the Sunni resistance that incited the Iraqi civil war has been financed by Saudi oil money. (Terrorism also kept Iraqi oil from becoming a serious challenger to Saudi Arabia.)”
This has been ignored in the recent reports that have come out. Many fingers point to Iran and deservedly so, but there is almost 100% compliance in not looking into this.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:36 pmTerrytheTurtle, I’m going thru the links now. I do believe OBL has served PNAC well.
Comment by hellinabucket — September 11, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
OBL has played the role of Snowball very well indeed. Trouble is Snowball is smarter than Napoleon – because his goal is to lure the US into a protracted struggle and bleed it dry of money…… well guess what? Mission accomplished.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pmThe Judeo – Christian ethic alllows you to lbelieve as you wish without fear of hijacking or decapitation……the same cannot be said of your Islamic co-horts.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
LOL So the Judeo – Christian ethic allows you to believe as you wish without fear of hijacking or decapitation??? Does a Christian allow you to believe that abortion is ok? Does a Christain allow you to believe that homosexuality is not a choice? There is no difference between hijacking or decapitation and ostracization. Both are appalling conditions set upon humans by religious humans.
There are zero Islamic and zero Christian co-horts of mine. You, on the other hand, have all Christains as your co-horts.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by yikes — September 11, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Got another litmus test for you: is it possible for an American presidential candidate to say this and win?
“The United States was founded on the principle of freedom of religion – that each is free to worship as they please. As a secular humanist, I alone of my opponents can be trusted to defend this principle”.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:50 pmTurtle – Only a fool would think the US was “lured” into a protracted struggle since 2001. I guess over the years news of previous attacks eluded you. But we could go back to Leftard strategy, ignore them….(maybe they’ll go away), lob a few bombs, ignore them some more….blow up a pharmaceutical company….go back to ignoring them…..Yep….progtards have THE answer….
September 11th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWhat would you call a 5 year adventure into a 3rd world country that has cost the US over $500 billion and tens of thousands killed or injured?
News flash mighty, “them” weren’t in Iraq. The fear you push will not destroy this country. All of the terrorists in the world will not destroy this country.
I have yet to see your outrage at the failure of the Bush administration to capture/kill OBL. Remember him? He hasn’t gone away.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pmmighty moron; yeah, like the Inquisition never burned heretics too. Christians never tortured, used the rack, hot coals, etc. on nonbelievers.
Get some smarts idiot!!
September 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIs everyone who holds a different view a [blank]tard? mighty aphroditard?
September 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pmTerry, I would very much like to hear a candidate (from any party) say that.
September 11th, 2007 at 12:58 pmMA – once again way off the mark – http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070501faessay86304/bruce-riedel/al-qaeda-strikes-back.html
I am quoting Bin Laden directly through this FA article: “Bin Laden’s goals remain the same, as does his basic strategy. He seeks to, as he puts it, “provoke and bait” the United States into “bleeding wars” throughout the Islamic world; he wants to bankrupt the country much as he helped bankrupt, he claims, the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s. ”
“Only a fool” Well, let’s leave the ad hominem’s aside – its a clear indication that you have no argument at all and little if no understanding of AQ’s plan.
“Only a fool”. Hmm Sun Tzu was smarter than you that’s for sure: “Know your enemy”. You obviously don’t. I guess Sun Tzu wasn’t required at Anapolis, eh? Or maybe you are just a fake…..
September 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pm“Leftard Lunacy and Equivalency”:
LOL So the Judeo – Christian ethic allows you to believe as you wish without fear of hijacking or decapitation???
YOU can get on a plane without fear your fellow Judeo-Christian passengers will kill airline pilots and flight attendants. They will not fly plane’s into the buildings. They will not capture kidnap abortionists and video tape a gruesome murder.
“”Does a Christian allow you to believe that abortion is ok?
Abortion is intrinsically evil. It is not a “choice”. It is the deliberate act of taking a human life at an early stage of development. Anti-abortion people do not believe in compounding the evil of abortion with the evil of murder.
“Does a Christain allow you to believe that homosexuality is not a choice?”
I do not know if homosexuality is a choice – I do know the sexual behaviour is a choice.
“There is no difference between hijacking or decapitation and ostracization. Both are appalling conditions set upon humans by religious humans.”
September 11th, 2007 at 1:04 pm“..no difference”????? You are sick. Ostracized people can re-locate and find like minded people. They can still enjoy the company of friends and a fine meal. They can read books and laugh at a joke. You are more disturbed than I imagined ….THIS statement confirms you are a lunatic who deserves no more of my time
Comment by Uncle Ho — September 11, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
What day is it? MA will claim to be Jewish if it’s a Friday or a Saturday and a Christian for most of the rest of week. And I think she’ll do some Tom Cruise Cult every now and again to keep people guessing.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:07 pmTurtle – I did not go to Annapolis……Roll over, little Prog, and go back to sleep. Someone far braver will tap on your insulated shell and let you know when it’s OK to come out again…..
September 11th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMighty, I see your capable of outrage. Now where is your outrage at this president for failing to kill/capture OBL?
September 11th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMighty, Terry successfully pointed out the goal of OBL is to bleed us dry. Acknowledge that and then discuss it’s merits.
Or prove to be yet another mouthpiece with no eyes or ears. Just fear that pushes you onward, ever faithful to the one(s) who have failed the american public by not capturing/killing OBL.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:10 pm#159 – “….yeah, like the Inquisition never burned heretics too. Christians never tortured, used the rack, hot coals, etc. on nonbelievers.
Get some smarts idiot!!
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Comment by Uncle Ho
Ho – When I have discussed WWII, Progtards shriek about the irrelevance of such comparisons. I guess your 800 year old Inquisition comparisons aren’t very relevant either…….
September 11th, 2007 at 1:11 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Or whereever you supposedly trained to be an officer….. point stands – you know or choose to know nothing of your enemy. And the rest of the ad hominems….. demonstrates your irritation at your ‘argument’ collapsing….
“Acknowledge that and then discuss it’s merits.” – and Megan thinks I’m the one hiding in my shell. LOL
September 11th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI’m waiting for “responsible” Progtard (eyes rolling..) to disagree with the assertion by YIKES that decapitation and ostracization are equivalent…….
(foot tapping……tap….tap…..tap…..)
****bREAKING nEWS**** This just in…….Turtle, AlQaeda fears your ignoring him….”big time”. He wonders if he could borrow your hankie….he’s sooooo upset!!!
Tooodles……………
September 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pmTooodles……………
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Had enough already? I can’t honestly see how that post looks anything other than what it is, no argument left, just a petulant squeal – the US Navy let’s anyone in these days eh? Or as I said, maybe you are just a fake like your website confirmed last year.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:20 pmIt’s all been downhill for six long years: Beauty, unfathomable loss and the beginning of the Forever War.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pmMA also claims to be a defense lawyer in San Diego. I think MA should post a link to her business address so that any of us unfortunate enough to fall foul of the law in San Diego can opt out of being defended by her – you’ve got no chance of getting off with her (’scuse the double entendre) from what I can see based on the evidence here.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:27 pmmighty moron; I am amazed that you can talk with that assplug in your mouth.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:27 pmHo – you get the link to the zoo?
September 11th, 2007 at 1:30 pmTerry; yeah, thanks for the link.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:38 pm…SAVAGE IDEOLOGUES…. sounds like Bush/Cheney & the neoNazis(neocons) to me
September 11th, 2007 at 1:40 pmRage pushes people so far off the course and closer to the abyss.
September 11th, 2007 at 1:51 pm(From TheCarpetbagger)
“Rasmussen has an interesting new poll out today from Massachusetts, where Mitt Romney trails Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up, 60% to 34%. Given that Romney was governor of Massachusetts, this isn’t a good sign.”
Hillary is not my first choice for Democratic nominee . . . but this is TOO FUNNY!! Romney loses in his OWN STATE. :P
September 11th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#173 – Terry, I doubt your arrest would spark my interest enough to take your case……but some eager young public defender will aptly guard your Constitutional Rights…..go back to sleep – - –
Like yikes, you’re still not able to differentiate between ostracizing someone and decapitating someone?????
September 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pmIf a non-neocon (Kucinich or Paul) wins the presidency, expect OBL to be caught between the elections and the inauguration. If a neocon like Hillary or Guiliani is elected, then expect the boogyman to continue his occasional appearances.
September 11th, 2007 at 2:01 pmUncle Ho – Pleeeeze . . . . Tell us about your service during the Inquisition……
September 11th, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
I ignored it – did you miss that? Probably, you obviously didn’t think of that and seem to persist in your narrow thinking of how the world should be. What do you want to have us pants you on now?
Comment by Alejandro — September 11, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
You know, Paul isn’t quite what you might think he is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
September 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pmTODAY WE HONOR OUR LOVED ONES WHO WERE LOST 6 YEARS AGO AT THE HANDS OF MUSLIM EXTREMISTS. THOSE AMERICANS WHO FEEL AND OR WERE INJURED SAVING OTHERS ALWAYS OUGHT TO BE IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS. THE SAVAGE IDEOLOGUES WHO CONTINUE TO THREATEN US WITH MORE VIOLENCE NEED TO KNOW THAT OUR GOOD WILL ALWAYS TRIUMPH OVER THEIR EVIL, AND THAT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE A LONG, DIFFICULT WAR, FOUGHT ON MANY FRONTS, WE WILL PREVAIL!
NEVER FORGET, NEVER AGAIN.
Comment by Mr. President — September 11, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Well-stated. A heaping helping of racism and bigotry wrapped in a tortilla of patriotic rhetoric. I salute you!
September 11th, 2007 at 2:17 pmmighty moron; I’d rather blast the policies of the reichwing nutjobs running this debacle than revel in Vietnam War Stories.
I’ll be in DC 29 Sept for a protest at theWhite House.
September 11th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“I’ll be in DC 29 Sept for a protest at theWhite House.”
Comment by Uncle Ho
I suppose that’s better than a real job……..Be sure to remember the number of the bus that brings you……maybe someone can safety pin the number to your jacket
You were the Leftard who brought up the “relevant” issue of the Inquisition……back-peddaling seems to be your strong suit….
September 11th, 2007 at 2:30 pmYou know, Paul isn’t quite what you might think he is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Yep….not enough nanny state for Turtle………
September 11th, 2007 at 2:32 pmmoron; I do have a real 9-5 job, I moonlight as an antiwar activist. As for relevance, you were the one who insisted we had “friends and allies who did not desert us during our own civil war.” No truth in that. Go read some REAL history books, not the revisionist neocon editions. Oh, I forgot, your level of reading is “My Pet Goat”.
September 11th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“and now you have added the Enemy Leader to your rank, Osama bin Laden….”
A few quesitons…
It is public knowledge (although not nearly widespread enough) that Osama Bin Laden was hired and paid by our Govt. in the 80’s to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, so does it not appear as if it is your “rank” who created this “Enemy Leader” in the first place?
When did Osama stop getting paid by our Gov’t and where is the proof?
If he were still being employed by the right and they wanted to garner more support for their cause, wouldn’t it make sense that they send him out parroting some of the talking points of the left, being the opposite of the ones they are trying to garner support for?
And lastly; what exactly is the evidence that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11? Doesn’t it seem a bit strange that none exists?
I’m not saying that any of this “proves” Government involvement… You are not alone in not wanting to believe that our Governement could mean us harm, believe me, but these are just some of the questions that have not been and need to be answered before I, personally, can move on.
September 11th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#191 – “You libs really need to think before you ramble on with your crazed conspiracy theories!” Comment by Mr. President — September 11, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Like the GOP talking point that “Democrats love terrorists” crazed conspiracy theory?
September 11th, 2007 at 2:52 pmHo – You keep forgetting with your superior intellect to share with the rest of the class HOW relevant the Inquisition REALLY is today……
And would you call on your friend, yikes, to explain how ostracizing someone is the same as decapitating them……he sounds like a 5150 candidate for ‘McNaughton’ classification……
September 11th, 2007 at 3:11 pmDemRAtSoldier – If I didn’t see the translation of Osama’s diatribe, I would have sworn a Progtard was giving the same speech……..You must be soooo proud!
September 11th, 2007 at 3:13 pmYou know, Paul isn’t quite what you might think he is…
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Yep….not enough nanny state for Turtle………
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Shall I send the fire brigade over, your pants are on fire again.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:14 pmcrazed conspiracy theories!
Ah Saddam, 9-11, Saddam, mushroom cloud, Al Qaeda, 9-11, WMD, Saddam…..
September 11th, 2007 at 3:15 pmmoron; Here’s some relevance; Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. That’s mighty ‘christian’ of him. Doesn’t that conflict with “thou shalt not kill’?
But then, Robertson, along with Falwell and Dobson constitute part of the ‘American Taliban’.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:17 pmHey idiot,
If OBL was just a paid stooge of the GOP, don’t you think some Arab who “didn’t get the memo†would murder him in a second for the $!?
You libs really need to think before you ramble on with your crazed conspiracy theories!
Comment by Mr. President — September 11, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
I notice that you didn’t answer any of the questions or provide any “proof” necessary to address the questions I raised.
Your premise about an “Arab” turning him in doesn’t explain why he hasn’t been turned in yet, now does it? Is it not possible that Osama is being protected from our Government and/or that the “Arabs” currently surrounding him are only the most ardent believers in their cause for which no amount of money would make them turn against their “Leader”?
You should know that not everyone is ruled by greed and actually do believe in causes beyond personal gain.
Why won’t Bush send our own troops after him? Could that not be considered protecting him? Why not?
Calling me an idiot doesn’t change the unanswered questions. No one asked you personally to reply to them and you sure aren’t helping with the manner in which you did, but I wish you could.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#194 – “If I didn’t see the translation of Osama’s diatribe, I would have sworn a Progtard was giving the same speech……..You must be soooo proud!” Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Funny, I thought he was speaking directly from the Republitard talking points, what with his echoing of the conserva-tard “impotent Dem leadership” mantra.
Then again, your rose-colored glasses ensure that you don’t see reality, so no surprise there.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:24 pmReal Christians KNOW that there are things worth killing for!
Comment by Mr. President — September 11, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
You are, what is referred to in the New Testament as, a “False Prophet”.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:25 pmHo’re says, “moron; Here’s some relevance; Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. That’s mighty ‘christian’ of him. Doesn’t that conflict with “thou shalt not kill’?”
Pat Robertson?? He has the power to make you practice which religion? And Hugo Chavez has exactly what to do with the topic?? Besides, the Commandment says “Thou shalt not murder”….I’m NOT surprised you didn’t know that – I expected such ignorance and you did not disappoint!!
DEMRAT - Nice try….but lacking, as usual…..Who do you hear blasting corporatocracies??? Which political whiners have been blasting Dems for not going far enough to end the WAR?? Who hates GWB almost as much as Progtards (hint: O-s-a-m-a…)
September 11th, 2007 at 3:40 pmMighty, your arguments are selective. Where is your outrage at this president for not capturing/killing OBL? I’m beginning to believe that the fear of the islamic extremists you speak of isn’t founded on anything and that you have an internal conflict with Bush and his failure to capture/kill OBL but don’t want to believe it.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:47 pm“Thou shalt not murder”
Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Bottom line: Do you or do you not abide by and support that commandment?
Yes or no?
September 11th, 2007 at 3:47 pmInteresting tidbit from the Reagan Diaries:
“A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son
around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the
political one who lives in Florida . The one who hangs around here all
the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40
and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New
Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or
something. That looks like easy work.”
From the just published REAGAN DIARIES. The entry is dated May 17,
September 11th, 2007 at 3:51 pm1986.
Comment by J — September 11, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.”
Ask her about this one too.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:52 pmReal Christians know that there are some things worth killing for-comment by peed-on-himself
mr peed-on-himself has justified his suicide. Take mighty moron with you.
September 11th, 2007 at 3:52 pm#203 – “Who hates GWB almost as much as Progtards ” Comment by mighty aphrodite — September 11, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Apparently, Republi-tards do!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070911/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq
Wow, it must really suck when your own party begins attaking YOUR Presidents policies! I’m sure that bag that you’ll use to hide your face keeps you from acknowledging the true failures of Pres. Bush. (Hint: W-A-R O-F O-C-C-U-P-A-T-I-O-N, N-A-T-I-O-N B-U-I-L-D-I-N-G)
September 11th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHappy 9-11 trolls! It’s your faaaaaavorite day! Who wants ice cream? Rudy! OF COURSE….
Comment by lefty — September 11, 2007 @ 9:23 am
The patriotism of lefties…
Stunning. ;)
September 11th, 2007 at 4:34 pmThe patriotism of lefties…
Stunning. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 11, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
I assume you find something Patriotic about the politicization of these tragic events? That’s what is being addressed here, but I’m sure you knew that.
September 11th, 2007 at 4:49 pmJ, you must be one of those loony “leftards”
September 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pm“thou shalt not kill”? you clearly skipped out on bible class, because obviously you missed the part after that which reads, “unless they’ve got it coming”
And I’m pretty sure it was Ted Kennedy who added that whole “turn the other cheek” garbage.
Cuz Christians know there are some things worth killing for. Like Jesus.
The Bible was all about different reasons to kill. You should read it some time. We’re kickin ass in Iraq! WWJD?: kill some I-raqis, that’s what!
“And I’m pretty sure it was Ted Kennedy who added that whole “turn the other cheek†garbage.”
Comment by Wilco — September 11, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Congratulations! You must be the first “rightard” to equate Ted Kennedy to Jesus. Not even a “leftard” would dare make that comparison.
Keep ‘em coming… Let your hypocrisy shine for all to see.
September 11th, 2007 at 5:43 pmTed Kennedy is Jesus? Nah, Jesus could walk on water, right?
(cheap, putridly sick jokes – sometimes are cathartic – waiting for someone to call me a ‘dumba**’ again)
September 11th, 2007 at 5:57 pmTODAY WE HONOR OUR LOVED ONES WHO WERE LOST 6 YEARS AGO AT THE HANDS OF MUSLIM EXTREMISTS.
THE INNOCENTS VICTIMS AS WELL AS THOSE AMERICANS WHO FELL AND/OR WERE INJURED SAVING OTHERS ALWAYS, OUGHT ALWAYS TO BE IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.
THE SAVAGE ISLAMIC IDEOLOGUES WHO CONTINUE TO THREATEN US WITH MORE VIOLENCE NEED TO KNOW THAT OUR GOOD WILL ALWAYS TRIUMPH OVER THEIR EVIL, AND THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE A LONG, DIFFICULT WAR, FOUGHT ON MANY FRONTS, WE WILL PREVAIL!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:58 pmNEVER FORGET, NEVER AGAIN.
TODAY WE HONOR OUR LOVED ONES WHO WERE LOST 6 YEARS AGO AT THE HANDS OF MUSLIM EXTREMISTS.
THE INNOCENTS VICTIMS AS WELL AS THOSE AMERICANS WHO FELL AND/OR WERE INJURED SAVING OTHERS ALWAYS, OUGHT ALWAYS TO BE IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.
THE SAVAGE ISLAMIC IDEOLOGUES WHO CONTINUE TO THREATEN US WITH MORE VIOLENCE NEED TO KNOW THAT OUR GOOD WILL ALWAYS TRIUMPH OVER THEIR EVIL, AND THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE A LONG, DIFFICULT WAR, FOUGHT ON MANY FRONTS, WE WILL PREVAIL!
September 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmNEVER FORGET, NEVER AGAIN.
I’m not going to read that comment because it’s probably dumb and would waste my time, not because ‘it will give credence to the idea of a government conspiring against its own people’. Where is the proof that 9/11 was an inside job?
Comment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Fine. Let’s leave 9/11 out of it. Will that make a difference? I doubt it. Again, you don’t give a damn that somewhere along the history of the U.S. our government (at least once, maybe more) hatched a plan to attack its own people. It is part of the public record. And since you like throwing around names, you are a damn idiot for brushing it off as “dumb.” Doesn’t matter that it was 45 years ago…what should matter is that they were even considering it. Given Bush and Cheney’s power grab since 2000 (Cheney has specifically mentioned that the president isn’t powerful enough), the thoughts of what they are capable of doing, combined with the fact that the damned Republicans in Congress has almost consistently looked the other way since Bush was elected (and still do to this day), should scare most people shitless.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:59 pmComment by Ike Skelton — September 11, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Besides, you conveniently ignore the words of Larry Silverstein, controller of the WTC buildings, as posted at #111. Spin that, dude.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:02 pm> YOU don’t hear Osama echoing conservatives.
In Bin Laden’s last rant, he complained of “insane” taxes, advocated a flat tax, railed against hollywood, and criticized Russian leaders.
I know you saw the link the to transcript I posted, because one of your other fake @ss personas responed to it. Care to explain how the abovementioned statements from OBL dont echo conservative talking points?
September 12th, 2007 at 12:35 am>The patriotism of lefties…
Your saracasm detector broken Uptwat Clefty? YOU idiots are the who have been shamelessly milking 9-11 as a justificiation for every single draconian/fascist race war fanasty you inbreed hicks salivate over…
September 12th, 2007 at 12:36 am