Bush Flashback: ‘Setting A Date For Withdrawal Is Setting A Date For Failure’
Bush Flashback: ‘Setting A Date For Withdrawal Is Setting A Date For Failure’
Tomorrow, President Bush will deliver a prime-time address to the nation about progress in Iraq. In that speech, he is expected to endorse Gen. David Petraeus’s recommendations to bring home 30,000 troops from Iraq by July 2008.
But as ThinkProgress highlighted yesterday, Bush’s announcement appears to be primarily political. In fact, the Bush administration has repeatedly argued in the past that progressive proposals for withdrawing troops from Iraq would aid the terrorists.
On May 1, Bush vetoed a Democratic-led bill that would have set a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq:
Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure — and that would be irresponsible.
Watch it:
Some more examples the administration warning against publicly announcing a withdrawal date:
“Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq reinforces enemy propaganda that the United States will abandon its allies in Iraq.” [Undersecretary of Defense Eric Edelman, 7/16/07]
“I believe artificial timetables of withdrawal would be a mistake. … I will strongly reject an artificial timetable withdrawal and/or Washington politicians trying to tell those who wear the uniform how to do their job.” [Bush, 4/23/07]
“He’s also in denial that a surrender date he thinks is a good idea. It is not a good idea. It is defeat. It is a death sentence for the millions of Iraqis who voted for a constitution, who voted for a government, who voted for a free and democratic society.” [White House spokeswoman Dana Perino, 4/23/07]
“The…attempt to micromanage our commanders is an unwise and perilous endeavor. It is impossible to argue that an unconditional timetable for retreat could serve the security interests of the United States or our friends in the region.” [Vice President Cheney, 4/13/07]
“[I]f they [Congress] send him a bill with limitations on his ability to function as commander-in-chief or restrictions on the troops or with a withdrawal date that in effect would tell our enemies we’re going to quit, he will veto it.” [Cheney, 4/5/07]
“Why would you say to the enemy, you know, here’s a timetable, just go ahead and wait us out? It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.” [Bush, 6/24/05]
(HT: OxyCon)
UPDATE: MoveOn’s Washington director Tom Matzzie writes in to offer his thoughts on the post: “Thank you for the timetable, may I have another.”
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I don’t see any inconsistencies here, George always says the opposite of what he does.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:05 pmIf anything, maybe he thinks he can fake everybody out into thinking we are going to withdraw foeces…
Geez George, catch up with the species, will ya?
Stay the course with someone else’s children, you boob!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWHAT DID YOU EXPECT? HE IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:06 pmSetting a date would date the failure… yours Bush.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmI agree with yep. Also, is Bush actually setting a date for withdrawal?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:08 pmHe was against aiding the terrorists before he was for it.
Bush would say anything into a mic just to push the subject into the next week and beyond. He is the worst leader/president/human ever.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:10 pmBush is a failure.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmArticles like this prove all my derogations against this hate-site because they are willfully dishonest and are shamelessly designed to get all the progtarded partisans here riled up. TP accuses Bush of somehow being inconstant by now offering a very tentative and subject-to-change reduction date. However, what Bush specifically warned about in the past was only against setting a definitive withdrawal date–which is what the treason-minded Democrats are lusting after in Congress. So, I easily discredited Toilet-Paper’s shocking accusation that Bush somehow contradicted himself. Sadly, the vast majority of TP posters are the most fanatically partisan and ideological haters, so they won’t even acknowledge that TP committed the most laughable and easily discreditable lie by pretending to catch Bush in some form of contradiction. I challenge any TP hater to acknowledge that this posting by TP is blatantly false, as Bush only spoke out against withdrawal timelines, not endorsements of reductions from his general!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pm01-21-2001 was the beginning of our never-ending date with failure.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmhttp://www.gregpalast.com/%e2%80%9cthey-wanted-them-poor-ni99ers-out-of-there%e2%80%9d/#more-1843
swap the 99 for gg
September 12th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by TPisasbadasDailyKosinHatred
I challenge you to acknowledge the truth.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmSetting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure
The Bush Administration likes to keep its failures open-ended
September 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIn Dead Certain, Bush’s approved biography by Draper it is clearly stated why Bush wants to keep the so called war going.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAgain, watch K. Olbermann’s Special Comment regarding Bush’s true motive:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/04/countdown-special-comment-you-have-no-remaining-credibility-about-iraq-sir/
Who believes anything Bush says?
He’ll just say conditions do not allow a troop reduction next year. He is just moving the goal posts and giving himself more time for his crime family to transfer more of the country’s wealth to his father and other war profiteers.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWe’ve got to withdraw some of the troops; we’ll need boots on the ground in Iran to follow up on next summer’s air strikes.
God help us–the Supremes selected a madman.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBush new all along that he would HAVE to pull these 30,000 out by summer ‘08. Short of initiating a draft he has no options with the fighting force reaching it’s breaking point. Let’s just hope the Chimp has some sort of strategy for the safe inevitable withdrawal of these soldiers (I’m probably asking too much, though). While I’m daydreaming, wouldn’t it have been better for the world if Bush Sr. had had an early withdrawal plan one fateful night around November 1945 instead of spreading his faulty seed to the detriment of an entire nation?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:20 pmgeorge is just running out the clock and destroying the Republic party in the meantime.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmMSNBC Poll sorta says it all –
Do you believe President Bush’s actions justify impeachment?
* 551166 responses
Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
89%
No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
4.2%
No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
5.2%
I don’t know.
1.9%
Eat that Repukian scum….
September 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pm9-21-07 / America, RIP
September 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pmbush and his Republic enablers have hypocracy down to an art form.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“hypocrisy” (damn “a” key.)
September 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pm18: I believe the 1.8 % “I don’t know” reflects the trolls on this site.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:31 pmClearly, Bush is setting a date for withdrawal from Iraq. He is coward and a traitor! We must finish the mission on the ground! Why is Bush telling our enemies that America wants to quit?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmOff topic… Kucinich is on Shultz’s show for the full 3 hours.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmListen here:
http://www.wegoted.com/
I smell a Special Comment coming… wheee!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pmerror.. listen to Ed Shultz on the delayed schedule to hear Kucinich.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:38 pmHow can you win an occupation if you never withdraw?
Houston we have a retarded president.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:39 pmI believe he is trying to run out the clock.
He has painted himself into a corner by stating over and over that ANY talk of withdrawal is aiding the enemy. So he’s got to leave it for another president.
And in the process several thousand more troops will be killed or disabled so he can save face.
This is ALL ABOUT BUSH SAVING FACE.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:41 pm8: TPisasbadasDailyKosinHatred
To complain about something very heavyly and than make the same later is
September 12th, 2007 at 3:42 pm!!! !!! !!! *** hypocracy *** !!! !!! !!!
How can you win an occupation if you never withdraw?
Houston we have a retarded president.
Comment by Maalox — September 12, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
You get the occupied country to sign over its natural resources to your country’s corporations, thus turning the military occupation into an economic one.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pmAre you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pmthis posting by TP is blatantly false, as Bush only spoke out against withdrawal timelines, not endorsements of reductions from his general!
Comment by TPisasbadasDailyKosinHatred — September 12, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Withdrawal and reduction of troops are the same thing. Remember, very few on the left are calling for a complete withdrawal of ALL troops.
THE REAL PROBLEM is that those on the left have tried for years to shut down the discussion by claiming the talking about withdrawing OR reducing troops(partial withdrawal) is aiding the enemy.
But now, they’re running out of options, and they want to re-frame the argument. And we’re not going to let them do it.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pmI will ppost my poem again.
I want my Progressive allies to realize the pain us Muslims feel.
We experience 9/11 style pains everyday.
Insha’ Allah we have you Progressives defending us or else we’d be doomed!
“Remember 9-11″
911 Dead Bodies in the Baghdad Morgue
911 Pounds of Explosives Detonating in Tikrit
911 Orphans Fleeing to Damascus
911 Sisters the Occupation Turned into Hookers
911 Million Dollars in the Pockets of Big Oil
Remember 9-11
911 Muslims in the American Gulag
911 Lies the Government Has Told
911 Brothers Kneeling in Prayer at Guantanamo
911 Sisters Being Cursed at the Store
911 Brothers Denied Jobs
Remember 9-11
911 Chechen Widows Begging for Food
911 Kids in Gaza with No School
911 Sleeping in the Cairo Graveyard
911 Girls Taking Off Hijab in French Schools
911 Young British Muslims Ready to Go All Out
Remember 911
911 Times I Pray for the Wicked to Be Punished
911 Levels of the Hell-fire I Wish On Bush and His Gang
911 Bullets of the Mujahudeen I Pray to be Blessed
911 Executions of Iraqi Traitors on a Blessed Day
911 Blows I Seek to Deliver Upon the Muslim-hater
by Umar Lee
P.S. Muslims – stop feeling the need to apologize for something you did not do!!!!!!! The American-Muslim community has no responsibility for 9-11!!!!!!
Progressives thanks for you help!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pmOOPS! “those on the left have tried for years to shut down the discussion”, should be THOSe ON THE RIGHT
September 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pmDigDug sez:
I’m pretty sure you meant to say “those on the right“, did you not?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:52 pmAhh…beat me to it. :)
September 12th, 2007 at 3:52 pmLet me get this straight.. TP is saying that Bush is contradicting himself by saying that setting a date for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, then saying that he’ll let 30,000 troops go home? Am I understanding this right?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pmI’m pretty sure you meant to say “those on the right“, did you not?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 12, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
YES. hehe, sometimes I wish you could edit your posts. But I guess some people would abuse that if they could…
September 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAre you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists? -Comment by Roger_Roger
Are you honestly prepared to stay when the vast majority of Iraqis want us out?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmUmar,
September 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmScrew you!
How abouth the genocidal wars you Muslims have commited in the name of your moon god and the Pedophile Prophet over the centuries?
You’re a loser and a bum!
Death to Muslims!
“…Am I understanding this right?”
Comment by François
Ask George what he means.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWe have few clues.
Let me get this straight.. TP is saying that Bush is contradicting himself by saying that setting a date for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, then saying that he’ll let 30,000 troops go home? Am I understanding this right?
Comment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
That’s not what he’s saying. Troops are coming home all the time.
He’s saying he is going to reduce the number of troops operating in IRAQ by 30k
September 12th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIslam sucks!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:56 pmAre you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 12, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
The US military estimates that terrorists in Iraq account for about 5-8% of the violence. Sounds like their are plenty of Iraqi’s to clear the terrorists out.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:56 pmDeath to MUslims and Progressives!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmUmar,
Screw you!
How abouth the genocidal wars you Muslims have commited in the name of your moon god and the Pedophile Prophet over the centuries?
You’re a loser and a bum!
Death to Muslims!
Comment by Balta — September 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
What about the Crusades?
September 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmKrazny and toastedhead,
September 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmWhy do Leftists support the Islamic cause?
DigDug,
“What about the Crusades?”
It was a counter attack to the Islamic Jihad that had been going on the previous 4 centuries!
September 12th, 2007 at 3:58 pmOur “date for failure” was set in Novemebr 2000 and again in 2004. Impeach the SOB before he destroys our country.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmI hate Muslims.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmLet’s burn every Mosque and deport them!
“Are you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists? -Comment by Roger_Roger”
They are themselves the terrorists at this point.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmThanks to Dick and George, who allowed the Iraqi Army to melt into the palm trees, with their weapons and explosives, and a lot more they were able to steal out from under the noses of the invading US forces who were busy looking for WMDs.
Which the UN weapons inspectors already told them weren’t there.
This criticism nullifies the logic of previous statements that these troops would be coming home in July 2008 no matter what. You cannot criticize Bush for contradicting himself, but then also say that he had no choice in this course of action, and thus deserves no credit.
Stick with the fact that the proposed 2008 pullout was already intrinsically planned. This post is worthless.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmDeath to MUslims and Progressives!
Comment by Mothra — September 12, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
TP seriously needs to be moderated.
Hate speach like this has no place here.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pmDigDug,
September 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmMuslims and Leftists commit Hate speach all the time.
Have a taste of your own medicine.
Death to Muslims!
Nuke Mecca!
What’s up with you, Mr. Pee, are you on some Sumerian god kick?
September 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmKrazny and toastedhead,
Why do Leftists support the Islamic cause?
Comment by Baltar — September 12, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
What is the “Islamic cause?”
I support an end to racism, bigotry, and religious persecution. The religion being persecuted most in the United States at the moment is Islam.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmall those quotes from bush came before the petraeus report.
now that we’ve heard from petraeus, we can start bring the troops home.
…of course, it was exposed in a book that bush actually plans to leave troops there. so that kinda cancels everything out.
.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmDigDug,
“What about the Crusades?â€
It was a counter attack to the Islamic Jihad that had been going on the previous 4 centuries!
Comment by Baltar — September 12, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
No it wasn’t. Learn some history.
American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition – Cite This Source
Crusades
A series of wars fought from the late eleventh through the thirteenth centuries, in which European kings and warriors set out to gain control of the lands in which Jesus lived, known as the Holy Land. At that time, these areas were held by Muslims. The Crusaders conquered Jerusalem in 1099 but failed to secure the Holy Land, and they were driven out by the late thirteenth century. Nevertheless, the Crusades had several lasting results, including the exposure of Europeans to the goods, technology, and customs of Asia.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmthe cult of Islam is like cancer!
September 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmIt should be eraddicate from this country!
No sharia law in America!
Death to the enemy within!
Are you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 12, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
A slow, organized withdrawal of force, combned with diplomatic initiatives to end the sectarian fighting, is not “walking away” from the Iraqi people. “Cut and Run” is not a “liberal strategy,” it’s a Republican talking point.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:03 pmMothra… I’m okay with you hating Muslims, and announcing that you hate them. I’m not much of a fan of them myself.
But if you don’t give your reasons.. if you just say “death to muslims” with nothing else about it… you just come across as angry and stupid. i’d give my reasons, but i didn’t type this comment to advertise my hate towards them, iI just used it for example purposes.
If you can type out your reasons why you hate them – and I’m sure you DO have reasons, I’ll leave you alone.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:04 pmDigDug,
You Learn some history!
http://www.dhimmi.com/durban.htm
September 12th, 2007 at 4:04 pmDigDug,
Muslims and Leftists commit Hate speach all the time.
Have a taste of your own medicine.
Death to Muslims!
Nuke Mecca!
Comment by Mothra — September 12, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Haven’t you parents ever told you two wrongs don’t make right?
I have not personally engaged in hate-speach, so this is not a taste of MY own medicine is it?
Hate speach is wrong no matter who is doing it.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:04 pmDigDug,
Islam beagan by invading the Christian Eastern Roman Empire at the battle of Yarmuk 636!
Read history!
September 12th, 2007 at 4:05 pm“Are you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists? -Comment by Roger_Roger”
Part of Bush’s problem is that the “terrorists” are the Iraqi people, in one form or another.
“Let me get this straight.. TP is saying that Bush is contradicting himself by saying that setting a date for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, then saying that he’ll let 30,000 troops go home? Am I understanding this right?
Comment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 3:53 pm”
In Bush’s own words, any talk of withdrawal encourages the terrorists and inspires them to attack U.S. forces. Why does Bush hate the troops (and the rest of us) so much?
September 12th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWhy is Umar a friggin parody?
September 12th, 2007 at 4:08 pmidiot dems and progs buy even idioter logic…this post proves it!
Bush is NOT withdrawing troops he’s just scaling back the “surge.” when it’s all done, he’s still going full force in Iraq. he lied about 9/11, he lied about Saddam and Al Queda, he lied about WMD, he lied about the invasion, he lied about “victory”, he lied about “freedom” for Iraq–and as a result he made the US even more at risk by isolating the US then spying on its citizens–he even lied about lying about his lies!
now he’s “withdrawing troops?” c’mon folks! wake up, your getting played by a drunk frat boy with a following.
TP–stop reacting and do a little journalism, please. i’m getting so tired of the media accepting the terms of this farce of a “debate” or “oversight” of this Occupation of the Iraqi people.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI don’t see it as a withdrawal.. He ’surged’ 30,000 troops, and now will be ending that ’surge’ next year, not withdrawing all the troops, which I believe he meant when he spoke of the time lines he is against. For the record, I’m not supporting bush, I simply fail to see any real change in bush’s policy or views on a withdrawal.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe date for failure was the day he got elected.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:14 pmAre you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists? – Comment by Roger_Roger
Do you honestly believe that the Iraqi people would let the terrorists take over their country? – you’re an idiot.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWait a second, we’ve been reaming Bush for several years now for not setting a date for withdrawing troops. Now that there’s some hint that he might be doing just that we’re going to ream him for changing his tune when that’s what we’ve been asking him to do all along? I am as disgusted by our president and his administration as any lefty progressive but when they start to do the things we’ve been asking them to do, it seems to me that criticizing them for it is a bit odd and maybe even silly.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pm#
Wait a second, we’ve been reaming Bush for several years now for not setting a date for withdrawing troops. Now that there’s some hint that he might be doing just that we’re going to ream him for changing his tune when that’s what we’ve been asking him to do all along? I am as disgusted by our president and his administration as any lefty progressive but when they start to do the things we’ve been asking them to do, it seems to me that criticizing them for it is a bit odd and maybe even silly.
Comment by csavage — September 12, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Exactly.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:23 pmDigDug,
Islam beagan by invading the Christian Eastern Roman Empire at the battle of Yarmuk 636!
Read history!
Comment by Baltar — September 12, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Well, if all they had done was push them back out of Rome I would agere with you. But the Crusades also had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred “Holy Land” from Muslim rule.
In short it was a Holy war aimed at grabbing some “holy” land.
The Christians and the Muslims have been beating on each for centuries. I could also point out the exploits of the Conquistadors who killed, raped, and enslaved millions throughout south-america, and all done in the name of Cristianity.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#66 Some Guy stole my thunder!
You are correct. Bush is playing the American public like a $2 fiddle. The troop “reduction” would happen regardless of what Bush announces. It has already been reported and confirmed that the military cannot sustain the current troop levels beyond April ‘08. Bush is using that reality for political gain by making it seem as though his “surge” is responsible for making it possible to withdraw some forces.
BTW……Mothra is short for Moron.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:26 pmBush: incapable of anything but SPIN.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:26 pmSomeone should tell Bubble Boy and his crime family that it is already a failure and that is irresponsible.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:26 pmRelated to the war in Iraq and whether troops will ever draw down – this video from last night’s HARDBALL w/ Chris matthews is really intense:
VIDEO – Matthews/Biden Bravely Speak About Iraq
September 12th, 2007 at 4:29 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=564a4f46-8e78-467d-9078-245db63d4931
Are you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists? – Comment by Roger_Roger
Are you brain dead? Who the hell bombed Iraq back to the stone ages, the terrorists or Dubya Bush?
September 12th, 2007 at 4:30 pmOh, and bush isn’t caving in to you hughjazz.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmhugh, I love how you have an inflated sense of self-worth. You smug bastard. I don’t like bush, but it’s people like you who give liberals a bad name, and because of that, I hope everything you say turns out to be wrong and all of your hopes for the death of the GOP and all that never come true. It’ll be such a sweet day when you’re proven wrong… not that it’ll shut you up at all.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe date for failure was set the date W. was born.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“I should have pulled out!”- George H.W. Bush
Uncle Ho, that is funny.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:37 pmAs usual, Bush can’t win for losing with the left-wing hate base.
That’s fine, the Gen. Betray Us as will let us blundgeon Hillary and Obama for a while.
Americans HATE the defeatist left. We will tie Democrats around your neck come 2008.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:37 pmChristians have always supported terror. Is not the story of Noah a story of terrorism?
Comment by ronjazz — September 12, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
LOL!
And the story of Moses is about genicide. You know the part where the finally find the promised land and God tells them to wipe out every man, women, child of the race that is currently occupying it?
September 12th, 2007 at 4:39 pmThe Christians and the Muslims have been beating on each for centuries. I could also point out the exploits of the Conquistadors who killed, raped, and enslaved millions throughout south-america, and all done in the name of Cristianity.
Comment by DigDug — September 12, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Exactly. Nitpicking history does nobody any good – both religions are equally evil if you look at them throughout history. Christianity and Islam could peacefully coexist if the racists and bigots on both sides would just shut the hell up.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#92 Comment by toasterhead — September 12, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
My point exactly.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pmAre you folks honestly prepared to walk away from the Iraqi people and leave them to the terrorists?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 12, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
BUSH *IS* THE TERRORIST.
Haven’t you figured that out by now?? Bush’s body count has made Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein both look like rank amateurs.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pm#59 Leaving quickly or slowly is still deserting the Iraqi people. Are you ok with handing the Iraqi people over to the extremists and terrorists? Seems like we should make sure we leave after they are able to fully support themselves against such evils.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:44 pmhughjazz, you’re so self-important it’s funny. And sad if you’re for real. I don’t think you’re real anymore. Your posts are so absurd you simply can’t be. I’ve seen your kind before and I think it’s funny. Posting outrageous views, in your case extreme left views, to make real liberals look bad in comparison. Well played madame.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmCheck out Comedy Central. The video last night of Jon Stewart interviewing John Hodges on success. It is hysterical. And very true.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by Hillary Whacked Vince — September 12, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Could you provide me with some verifiable evidence on America hating the left?
Could you also provide some factual evidence that Bush is not being contradictory in the subject matter of this thread?
I’d hate to come to realize that I’ve been on the wrong side.
Could you do those things for me please? Who knows we might become buddies.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmHahah, see?! You’re great! Keep it up! Make those liberals look like idiots!
September 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmRoger Roger. Couldn’t it be possible that we could lessen our military footprint and expand an economic and political footprint?
September 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmThe media hates the left, not America. It kind of sucks when a majority of the mass communication industry is owned by the right wing neo-cons.
http://www.beforeyougopostal.com/Slugg/
September 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pmThe first political group to focus on political and economic “benchmarks” for Iraq will have the upper hand. Currently, I’ve heard more from the democrats than the republicans on these fronts. The party that can best present the focus on these will have a big advantage.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmkeep it up hughey! And I’m not a conservative. You’re wrong. As usual. But keep trying, maybe you’ll say something semi-intelligent one of these days. Um, I do like the ‘bushlicker’ part, however that has nothing to do with the president…
September 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmPresident Ford withdrew from Vietnam based on the timeline that Nixon and Kissinger negotiated with the enemy because it was better than the alternative. And they did not follow us home—unless you count all the Vietnamese in the shopping malls of Orange County.
If we went to bring them democracy and 79% want us out, then we gotta leave. If we really went to control the oil, then we have to come up with a very altruistic reason why we must stay.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pm#59 Leaving quickly or slowly is still deserting the Iraqi people. Are you ok with handing the Iraqi people over to the extremists and terrorists? Seems like we should make sure we leave after they are able to fully support themselves against such evils.
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 12, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
We’re not exactly saving them from the “extremists and terrorists” as it is. In fact we’re ARMING some groups of extremists and terrorists to fight other groups of extremists and terrorists. As long as we’re a crutch to lean on, the Iraqi security forces have no incentive to truly get their act together, and the competing militias have a reason to keep jockeying for position.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:13 pmSome say the government isn’t functioning and the security forces aren’t functioning because they don’t want to be seen as collaborating with the foreign occupiers. Would you?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmOh, come on. It’s not a “date for withdrawal” if everyone knows it’s just bullshit.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pmHowever, what Bush specifically warned about in the past was only against setting a definitive withdrawal date–which is what the treason-minded Democrats are lusting after in Congress.
Comment by TPisasbadasDailyKosinHatred — September 12, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
If the troops are to come home at all, whether it’s all of them or, say, 80% of them, then at some point you are going to have a “definitive withdrawal date” even if it is secretly planned for 6 months and then announced publicly a month before they actually start leaving.
It certainly didn’t bother Bush to announce to all the world a specific time to invade Iraq if Saddam didn’t comply with his demands, allowing the enemy plenty of time to prepare for the invaders.
If the Dems happened to say, for example, they want to bring home 50,000 troops in January 2008, Bush would blast them for wanting to “cut and run” and label them terrorist lovers, and you know that he would. Yet there is no difference whatsoever in these two scenarios, other than the fact that it is Bush who is making the decision and taking all the credit.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmLeaving quickly or slowly is still deserting the Iraqi people. Are you ok with handing the Iraqi people over to the extremists and terrorists? Seems like we should make sure we leave after they are able to fully support themselves against such evils.
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 12, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
It certainly didn’t bother Bush, Powell, or Bremer to “abandon” the Iraqis when all three of them said we’d leave Iraq if the Iraqis asked us to. Not a damn concern for the security of the Middle East. Not a damn concern for terrorists taking over Iraq. “We wouldn’t stay where we aren’t wanted” we were told.
But if the Dems or a war protester ask Bush to bring the troops home?
Oh, hell no.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmduh!
Allowing a bush to do anything is tantamount to begging for failure.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmGod, WC are you for real?
How about we grant the Iraqi’s the right to work and rebuild their own sovereign country? Force Haliburton and Bechtel to get the hell out, along with the Blackwater security goons you and I are paying for, and much of the “terrorism” would stop tomorrow.
(Sorry for the incorrect information. You and I aren’t paying for Blackwater security guards for private corporations. Your children and my children will be forced to pay the bill, ’cause bush has borrowed every last dime spent in Iraq from the Chinese. That’s why Congress is raising the limit on the national debt to $10 trillion.)
September 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmComment by Robert M. — September 12, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Ummm, yes, I am for real. You got a problem interpreting my posts? I’m on your side, dude.
September 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pmSame old, same old. Everyone already knows Bush lies about everything. Tell us something we don’t already know.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amWould Somebody PLEASE Remind Monkey Boy That When Clinton Committed Troops to Bosnia – This is what Then Gov. G.W. Bush Said:
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.” –Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
Funny thing is
September 13th, 2007 at 9:28 amwe won that war without a single AMERICAN
killed in action!
Failure can’t occur on one day! Bush is right, we need to draw it out as long as possible.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:09 am