Comments on: Fathers of soldiers killed in Iraq http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:25:00 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: marlow http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4075790 marlow Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:28:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4075790 #5, Betraeus, the general who commands after every other general who exhibited common sense and a willingness to speak their mind was fired? The general called by his superior an "ass-kissing chickensh*t"? More credibility? You make me sick, scumbag. #5, Betraeus, the general who commands after every other general who exhibited common sense and a willingness to speak their mind was fired? The general called by his superior an “ass-kissing chickensh*t”? More credibility? You make me sick, scumbag.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074344 texaslady Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:11:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074344 A war is lost when your military is not allowed to capture OBL but instead OBL is allowed to escape. OBL was ready to commit suicide and our military was ordered to stand down. Bush ? A war is lost when the citizens of the ruined country beg you to leave. 71 % Iraqis want us out. Honor is saving the rest of our military from the greed and corruption of Bush and his supporters. A war is lost when your military is not allowed to capture OBL but instead OBL is allowed to escape. OBL was ready to commit suicide and our military was ordered to stand down. Bush ?
A war is lost when the citizens of the ruined country beg you to leave. 71 % Iraqis want us out.
Honor is saving the rest of our military from the greed and corruption of Bush and his supporters.

]]> By: the Nutty Crunch Christ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074213 the Nutty Crunch Christ Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:14:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074213 > Has anyone speculated that the > death of these men may have > been not-so-accidental at all? You mean like damaging the breaks or something? Gosh, no, this administration isn't vendictive or petty toward people who embarras them publicly. Sadly, much like the Tillman case, I'm sure that there we will be no investigation to determine whether this was an unfortunate accident. It is an awful big coincidence, but without more facts, I can't do anything but speculate.. Much like the Tillman case, perphaps we will see army lawyers congratulating each other that no criminal investiagation was launched. Can anyone dig up details of this supposed accident? > Has anyone speculated that the
> death of these men may have
> been not-so-accidental at all?

You mean like damaging the breaks or something? Gosh, no, this administration isn’t vendictive or petty toward people who embarras them publicly.
Sadly, much like the Tillman case, I’m sure that there we will be no investigation to determine whether this was an unfortunate accident.

It is an awful big coincidence, but without more facts, I can’t do anything but speculate..

Much like the Tillman case, perphaps we will see army lawyers congratulating each other that no criminal investiagation was launched.

Can anyone dig up details of this supposed accident?

]]> By: the Nutty Crunch Christ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074211 the Nutty Crunch Christ Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:08:19 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074211 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070913/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq These are the people you guys "liberated" from mean old saddam. Why are they firing rockets at us? Saddam was the bad guy, these guys were fighting him, so they must be good guys, right? So why are the good guys firing at us...? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070913/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

These are the people you guys “liberated” from mean old saddam. Why are they firing rockets at us? Saddam was the bad guy, these guys were fighting him, so they must be good guys, right? So why are the good guys firing at us…?

]]> By: loretta http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074209 loretta Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:46:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074209 Has anyone speculated that the death of these men may have been not-so-accidental at all? Will we learn later that there were more mysterious circumstances that led to this tragedy, along the lines of Pat Tillman? KKKarl Rove had some guy arrested this week who MOONED him at an event almost a year ago.....this bunch does NOT take criticism well.... Has anyone speculated that the death of these men may have been not-so-accidental at all?
Will we learn later that there were more mysterious circumstances that led to this tragedy, along the lines of Pat Tillman?
KKKarl Rove had some guy arrested this week who MOONED him at an event almost a year ago…..this bunch does NOT take criticism well….

]]> By: the Nutty Crunch Christ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074203 the Nutty Crunch Christ Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:51:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074203 >Here’s the absolute proof that these seven, > rogue, renegade soldiers shut up you scum addled herpe ridden bedsore of a troll,. mighty methhead meagan.. more proof your support of the troops is predicated on thier agreeing with your deluded fascist idealogy... got WMD? agree with Bin Laden that taxes are too high? find it ironic that 70 percent of attacks against our troops are now coming from the segment of the population that we liberated from mean old saddam, and that now we are bribing saddams former henchmen not to attack us? I guess there ARE some terrorists we negotiate with , huh babe? here she is folks for you to heap your scorn upon. http://www.myspace.com/79943506 "Just because I call you a dumbass doesn't mean that I am drunk"- brilliant quote dear, is that plato? >Here’s the absolute proof that these seven,
> rogue, renegade soldiers

shut up you scum addled herpe ridden bedsore of a troll,. mighty methhead meagan.. more proof your support of the troops is predicated on thier agreeing with your deluded fascist idealogy… got WMD? agree with Bin Laden that taxes are too high?

find it ironic that 70 percent of attacks against our troops are now coming from the segment of the population that we liberated from mean old saddam, and that now we are bribing saddams former henchmen not to attack us? I guess there ARE some terrorists we negotiate with , huh babe?

here she is folks for you to heap your scorn upon.
http://www.myspace.com/79943506

“Just because I call you a dumbass doesn’t mean that I am drunk”- brilliant quote dear, is that plato?

]]> By: FactsOnly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074183 FactsOnly Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:41:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074183 <em>First define ‘lost’. I guarantee I can find a parallel situation in a past war that America won. </em> Simpe: the stated military and political objectives were not achieved and are not achievable with available resources and within given constraints. Knowing that, the warmongers have <strong>changed the objectives</strong>, repeatedly, in an attempt to redefine "victory". That is what "lost" means in this context. <em> You are like tom, claiming a rocket attack on the Green Zone is proof that the war is lost and its time to run away. If that were true, every time a cop got killed in the U.S. it would mean we have lost the streets to the crims and we better leave it to them. Comment by Japaner — September 12, 2007 @ 3:35 pm </em> Firstly, there is no "war" in Iraq, it is an occupation. The US centurions are simply attempting to create conditions favourable to exploitation of the locals and their resources for whatever economic/strategic aims were envisioned by the centurion's owners. The locals are nearly universally rebelling and using the opportunity to settle local scores. It is as simple as that. If the situation were to be tranposed on to the US police/crime dynamics, it would require something like 10 million US citizen dead in the conflagration, good 50 million dispossessed and running to Canada/Mexico, major cities burned to the ground etc. If that were to occur I assure you that not only people would be rightfully calling for an end to such idiotic "war on crime", loooong before those numbers were reached, but they would have strung the politicians responsible for it from the nearest available lamp post. First define ‘lost’. I guarantee I can find a parallel situation in a past war that America won.

Simpe: the stated military and political objectives were not achieved and are not achievable with available resources and within given constraints.

Knowing that, the warmongers have changed the objectives, repeatedly, in an attempt to redefine “victory”.

That is what “lost” means in this context.


You are like tom, claiming a rocket attack on the Green Zone is proof that the war is lost and its time to run away. If that were true, every time a cop got killed in the U.S. it would mean we have lost the streets to the crims and we better leave it to them.

Comment by Japaner — September 12, 2007 @ 3:35 pm

Firstly, there is no “war” in Iraq, it is an occupation. The US centurions are simply attempting to create conditions favourable to exploitation of the locals and their resources for whatever economic/strategic aims were envisioned by the centurion’s owners. The locals are nearly universally rebelling and using the opportunity to settle local scores. It is as simple as that.

If the situation were to be tranposed on to the US police/crime dynamics, it would require something like 10 million US citizen dead in the conflagration, good 50 million dispossessed and running to Canada/Mexico, major cities burned to the ground etc. If that were to occur I assure you that not only people would be rightfully calling for an end to such idiotic “war on crime”, loooong before those numbers were reached, but they would have strung the politicians responsible for it from the nearest available lamp post.

]]> By: FactsOnly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4074180 FactsOnly Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:24:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4074180 <em>Yes, and even though Germany was reeling in the winter of 1944, Hitler managed to mount a major attack on the western front and almost broke through. Kamikazes were sinking American ships almost to the last days of the pacific war. If you want to claim a rocket attack in a war zone is evidence of defeat, then you might want to readjust your knowledge of war. Comment by Japaner — September 12, 2007 @ 3:25 pm</em> Except that these attacks are <strong>on the enemy's HQ</strong> in the area! This would be the equivalent of the Japanese managing to bomb the Pacific Fleet HQ, or the Germans blowing up the Allied Command HQ in England in late 1944. If that were to happen, the war would have been certainly <strong>not</strong> "going well" at that point. Yes, and even though Germany was reeling in the winter of 1944, Hitler managed to mount a major attack on the western front and almost broke through. Kamikazes were sinking American ships almost to the last days of the pacific war.

If you want to claim a rocket attack in a war zone is evidence of defeat, then you might want to readjust your knowledge of war.

Comment by Japaner — September 12, 2007 @ 3:25 pm

Except that these attacks are on the enemy’s HQ in the area!

This would be the equivalent of the Japanese managing to bomb the Pacific Fleet HQ, or the Germans blowing up the Allied Command HQ in England in late 1944. If that were to happen, the war would have been certainly not “going well” at that point.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073947 big papa Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:53:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073947 My bad TP... ...it's on another thread... ...the one reporting the deaths of those American Patriots... ...profund apologies... My bad TP…

…it’s on another thread…

…the one reporting the deaths of those American Patriots…

…profund apologies…

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073923 Marie Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:43:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073923 Hang in there, big papa. Hang in there, big papa.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073920 big papa Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:41:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073920 I can only assume that TP scrubbed my... ...fraggin? ...comment... ...because the thought of fratricide among American troops... ...is too odious to consider... ...might I remind you that the Tillman situation... ...has yet to be resolved... I can only assume that TP scrubbed my…

…fraggin?

…comment…

…because the thought of fratricide among American troops…

…is too odious to consider…

…might I remind you that the Tillman situation…

…has yet to be resolved…

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073735 BARTLEBEE Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:21:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073735 Ok. I'll try to do better. But I can't think of anything lower than mocking the deaths of 2 guys serving their country in a foriegn land just because they voiced an opposing opinion. But I guess at the end of the day, it doesn't really require a response. His statements in and of themselves show everyone, especially the soldiers, what the right wing REALLY thinks of the troops. Ok. I’ll try to do better. But I can’t think of anything lower than mocking the deaths of 2 guys serving their country in a foriegn land just because they voiced an opposing opinion. But I guess at the end of the day, it doesn’t really require a response. His statements in and of themselves show everyone, especially the soldiers, what the right wing REALLY thinks of the troops.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073484 hellinabucket Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:13:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073484 The trolls are a small but noisy portion of the "other" side. These are the people that need to be stood up to but also attempt and discuss with them their views. It's happened several times that after the fires die down, more common ground is found between us. The trolls are a small but noisy portion of the “other” side. These are the people that need to be stood up to but also attempt and discuss with them their views.

It’s happened several times that after the fires die down, more common ground is found between us.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073477 hellinabucket Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:12:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073477 The trolls should be addressed. Not with the same type of name calling, but of calling out to prove what they say. I'm probably more guilty than most with troll bashing but I've been making a concerted effort to quell the competition to out insult them. I'm questioning them while solidifying my beliefs. The trolls should be addressed. Not with the same type of name calling, but of calling out to prove what they say. I’m probably more guilty than most with troll bashing but I’ve been making a concerted effort to quell the competition to out insult them. I’m questioning them while solidifying my beliefs.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073433 Marie Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:54:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073433 The trolls who post here are taking their marhcing orders from the hate-filled vile, venom-spewing people like Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh. Ignore their poisonous words. They can all burn in the hell that their god has waiting for them. The trolls who post here are taking their marhcing orders from the hate-filled vile, venom-spewing people like Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh. Ignore their poisonous words.
They can all burn in the hell that their god has waiting for them.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073402 BARTLEBEE Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:44:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073402 And I hope all service men and women, and those considering service in the military, are seeing yours and other RIGHT WINGERS comments, mocking, desecrating and ridiculing our soldiers who give their lives for their country. You have provided absolute proof, that the right wing cares nothing about them, does not honor them, and only supports the troops who submit to your will. You're your own worst enemy. And I hope all service men and women, and those considering service in the military, are seeing yours and other RIGHT WINGERS comments, mocking, desecrating and ridiculing our soldiers who give their lives for their country.

You have provided absolute proof, that the right wing cares nothing about them, does not honor them, and only supports the troops who submit to your will. You’re your own worst enemy.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073393 BARTLEBEE Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:41:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073393 <em>Here’s the absolute proof that these seven, rogue, renegade soldiers from the 82nd Airborne were nothing more than ideological liars who deceptively wrote an editorial to boost their anti-war, defeatist ideology. </em> Comment by 82ndAirborneDivisionashamedofrogueseven — September 12, 2007 @ 3:00 pm Wrong assh0le. What that was is absolute proof that you're a low life inbred peice of sh1t that needs his head kicked in. These two young men are dead. Get it? Dead. They JUST died. And they did it in the service of their country. Agree with them, don't agree with them, but don't ever make the mistake of disrespecting them or their lives on this earth. Their families have just begun to grieve and here you are, a low life peice of coward stateside chickensh1t scum, desecrating them and insulting them following their deaths. I hope you get every thing you've got coming to you you miserable peice of inbred dogscum. Here’s the absolute proof that these seven, rogue, renegade soldiers from the 82nd Airborne were nothing more than ideological liars who deceptively wrote an editorial to boost their anti-war, defeatist ideology.

Comment by 82ndAirborneDivisionashamedofrogueseven — September 12, 2007 @ 3:00 pm

Wrong assh0le. What that was is absolute proof that you’re a low life inbred peice of sh1t that needs his head kicked in. These two young men are dead. Get it? Dead.

They JUST died. And they did it in the service of their country. Agree with them, don’t agree with them, but don’t ever make the mistake of disrespecting them or their lives on this earth. Their families have just begun to grieve and here you are, a low life peice of coward stateside chickensh1t scum, desecrating them and insulting them following their deaths.

I hope you get every thing you’ve got coming to you you miserable peice of inbred dogscum.

]]> By: trollbuster http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073377 trollbuster Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:35:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073377 People, please ignore the trolls. I don't know what's going on with TP these days, but the troll infestation is getting worse and their postings more bizarre. It's weird; TP will delete posts from responsible posters but leave slimy smelly troll droppings for all to see. My theory: the TP mods have discovered that troll stupidity drives up comment traffic, and they're liking their enhanced numbers. Enjoy it while it lasts, TP. People, please ignore the trolls. I don’t know what’s going on with TP these days, but the troll infestation is getting worse and their postings more bizarre.

It’s weird; TP will delete posts from responsible posters but leave slimy smelly troll droppings for all to see. My theory: the TP mods have discovered that troll stupidity drives up comment traffic, and they’re liking their enhanced numbers. Enjoy it while it lasts, TP.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073373 hellinabucket Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:35:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073373 Cindy Sheehan speaks for Cindy Sheehan. She has a right to speak out at what she sees as wrong. She lost her son and I won't begrudge anyone in that situation. Japaner, I'm still waiting for your "guarantee" of a similar situation. Cindy Sheehan speaks for Cindy Sheehan. She has a right to speak out at what she sees as wrong. She lost her son and I won’t begrudge anyone in that situation.

Japaner, I’m still waiting for your “guarantee” of a similar situation.

]]> By: Arthur C. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4073331 Arthur C. Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:24:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073331 <em>japaner: "its the left who decided [Sheehan] spoke for everyone and that we better listen or else.</em> More straw-dog arguments from the rightwing blowhards: show me who on the left ever said she "spoke for everyone." You can't. What a whiny, lying tapeworm you are. japaner: “its the left who decided [Sheehan] spoke for everyone and that we better listen or else.

More straw-dog arguments from the rightwing blowhards: show me who on the left ever said she “spoke for everyone.”

You can’t. What a whiny, lying tapeworm you are.

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