ThinkFast: September 12, 2007
ThinkFast: September 12, 2007
“Six years after the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S., it seems the media still have some educational work to do. A new CBS/New York Times poll reveals that even today, 1 in 3 Americans believe that ‘Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.’”
The Bush administration’s top intelligence officials have notified a federal appeals court that “a July ruling requiring the government to disclose virtually all its information on Guantánamo detainees could cause ‘exceptionally grave damage to the national security.” The ruling was a victory for detainee lawyers, piercing the government’s shield of secrecy.
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) today “vetoed legislation that would have allowed Californians to vote on an advisory measure calling for President Bush to immediately withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.”
57: Percentage New Orleans’s black population dropped after Hurricane Katrina, while the city’s white population declined by 36 percent, according to a new analysis of U.S. census data.
An economic forecast by UCLA predicts “the nation’s economy will be so sluggish well into next year that any major hiccup could tip it into recession. … The forecast presents a gloomier outlook for jobs and the housing market.”
A U.S. military official reported that Israel conducted an airstrike “deep into Syria” yesterday. Military officials said Israel is “keeping troops along the Syrian border on high alert. The officials said there have been no signs that Syria is preparing for war after the alleged incident,” though Syria did complain to the U.N. about Israeli “aggression and violation of sovereignty.”
ABC’s Brian Ross reports that wealthy Saudi Arabians are “filling al Qaeda’s coffers.” “If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia,” Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing.
According to a poll of Pakistanis, al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is more popular in Pakistan than President Pervez Musharraf, a key U.S. ally.” According to poll results, “bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf’s support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush’s approval: 9 percent.”
And finally: Happy Day of Conception! Gov. Sergei Morozov, head of the central Russian region Ulyanovsk, has given couples the day off to procreate. “Couples who give birth nine months later on Russia’s national day – June 12 – receive money, cars, refrigerators and other prizes.”
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I saw yesterday that two of the seven soldiers who authored the NYTimes Op-Ed last week were killed in that Vehicle accident this week. Very sad.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:08 amABC’s Brian Ross reports that wealthy Saudi Arabians are “fillilng al Qaeda’s coffers.†“If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia,†Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing.
According to a poll of Pakistanis, al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is more popular in Pakistan than President Pervez Musharraf, a key U.S. ally.†According to poll results, “bin Laden has a 46 percent approval rating. Musharraf’s support is 38 percent. U.S. President George W. Bush’s approval: 9 percent.â€
The fallacy of Bush’s GWOT in a nutshell. Pretty much says it all.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:10 amBush will clear all of this up in his speech tonight, right?
I’m guessing 20 Freidman Units, minimum.
Any other bets?
September 12th, 2007 at 9:12 amIt is the media’s fault so many Americans believe Saddam was involved in 911 attacks.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:16 amRepublicans give $$$ to terrorists. That’s the Reagan Legacy, proudly upheld.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:17 am1 in 3 Americans believe that ‘Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
It’s sad how many people in this country can so easily be fooled by the propaganda machine known as the Bush Crime Family.
It makes me very sad that there are so many uneducated sheeple in our country.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:19 amAny other bets?
Comment by Zimzone
I bet he has at least 30 references to al Queda in his speech. Doesn’t he realize that no one is listening any more? Does he really think he is going to fool the 67% who think we should get the hell out of Iraq again?
September 12th, 2007 at 9:21 amWe are such morons. I’m very pessimistic about the future of our nation. But it is our own fault. Sad.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:22 amEven Dennis Kucinich can’t figure out that Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11.
“Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Democratic presidential candidate and no stranger to contrarian views, was the sole congressman Tuesday to vote against the House’s Sept. 11 commemoration resolution.â€
Kucinich claims that he can’t vote for a remembrance resolution because of the Iraq war.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:22 am“California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) today “vetoed legislation that would have allowed Californians to vote on an advisory measure calling for President Bush to immediately withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.—
I wonder if he’ll veto legislation that would break up the California Electoral Votes? Probably not. He’s a Republi-tard whore, after all!
September 12th, 2007 at 9:22 amI saw yesterday that two of the seven soldiers who authored the NYTimes Op-Ed last week were killed in that Vehicle accident this week. Very sad.
Comment by Menehune
Very sad and very scary. What are the chances that this was just a coincidence? What were the circumstances of the vehicle they were riding in flipping over and bursting into flames?
September 12th, 2007 at 9:23 am—————
I’d be all for a “Happy Day of Conception” in the USA.
Unfortunately, ALL AMERICAN WOMEN are brainwashed by Feminism and why would you want to have children with someone who is anti-male, anti-father, and anti-family?
Feminism = Suicide
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September 12th, 2007 at 9:25 amThe Bush administration’s top intelligence officials have notified a federal appeals court that “a July ruling requiring the government to disclose virtually all its information on Guantánamo detainees could cause ‘exceptionally grave damage to the national security.
Why would it cause “exceptionally grave damage to the national security”? How could knowing what these people are accused of doing cause damage to national security other than to show that there is nothing there and they are being held on the whim of our President. I guess that could cause harm to our national security because it will more than piss off a lot of people out there to know that our government is holding people hostage for no apparent reason. That’s bound to make more terrorists.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:25 am#9 – Good point! I wonder why? Why not go to his statement about that vote for clarafication:
“”It is important that Congress wake up to the truth and exercise its obligation under the Constitution to save our nation from being destroyed from the lies that took us into Iraq, the lies that keep us there, the lies that are being used to set the stage for war against Iran and the lies that have undermined our basic civil liberties here at home,” Kucinich said in a statement.
“The September 11 resolution that Congress considers today should have made reference to those matters. It does not, so I cannot support it,” Kucinich said, also calling for a halt for further war funding and the troops to be brought home.”
September 12th, 2007 at 9:27 am11…From what I’ve heard, which is sketchy, the vehicle was travelling at a high rate of speed after the completion of an operation when it rolled off a 30-foot embankment. Two detainees were also killed and many other soldiers were hurt. It was a case of the driver going fast to avoid ambushes.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:27 amKucinich claims that he can’t vote for a remembrance resolution because of the Iraq war.
Comment by r
Wow, the way your mind works is very convoluted. Perhaps he meant that he can’t vote for the remembrance because instead of going after Osama, the supposed perpetrator of the attack, we attacked and occupied a government that had nothing to do with 911.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:28 amUnfortunately, ALL AMERICAN WOMEN are brainwashed by Feminism and why would you want to have children with someone who is anti-male, anti-father, and anti-family?
Feminism = Suicide
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Comment by steven j. williams
Logan has changed his moniker. You know Logan, it is very sad that your wife left you, but your insane rantings about women and feminism isn’t going to help you get over your anger. I suggest you get some therapy.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:30 amPerhaps he meant that he can’t vote for the remembrance because instead of going after Osama, the supposed perpetrator of the attack, we attacked and occupied a government that had nothing to do with 911.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 12, 2007 @ 9:28 am
He was outvoted 334-1.
All other dems think he’s a kook too.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:31 amAn economic forecast by UCLA predicts “the nation’s economy will be so sluggish well into next year that any major hiccup could tip it into recession. … The forecast presents a gloomier outlook for jobs and the housing market.
Well, I always knew that one day Bush’s “cooking the books” and insane economic policies would come home to roost. I’m just surprised it took so long.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:33 am“The September 11 resolution that Congress considers today should have made reference to those matters. It does not, so I cannot support it,†Kucinich said, also calling for a halt for further war funding and the troops to be brought home.â€
Comment by Democrat
Soldier — September 12, 2007 @ 9:27 am
He was outvoted 334-1.
He apparently has about as much sway as the typical lefty TP poster.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:33 am#1 – I believe you, but do you have a link? I’d like to see the names of these courageous and selfless soldiers.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:34 am#12 – “Feminism = Suicide” Comment by steven j. williams — September 12, 2007 @ 9:25 am
Says the man who’s been brain-washed by the right to blame others for his own failures.
“Feminism comprises a number of social, cultural and political movements, theories and moral philosophies concerned with gender inequalities and discrimination against women. Feminism is also described as an ideology focusing on equality of the sexes.”
“Modern feminist political activists commonly campaign for a woman’s right to bodily integrity and autonomy on matters such as reproductive rights, including the right to abortion, access to contraception and quality prenatal care; for protection from domestic violence; against sexual harassment and rape; for workplace rights, including maternity leave and equal pay; and against other forms of discrimination.[2]
Since the 1980s, standpoint feminists have argued that the feminist movement should address global issues (such as rape, incest, and prostitution) and culturally specific issues (such as female genital mutilation in some parts of Africa and the Middle East and “glass ceiling” practices that impede women’s advancement in developed economies) in order to understand how gender inequality interacts with racism, homophobia, lesbophobia, colonialism, and classism in a “matrix of domination.”"
So, Mr. Williams, with which portion of Feminism do you disagree:
Equality of the sexes? (Do you tell your wife to shut up and cook?)
Addressing global issues of rape, incest, and prostitution? (I don’t even want to know what you do with your children at home.)
Are you against protection from domestic violence? (Shut up before you make me smack you again, bee-yotch!)
It seems you’ve swallowed the lies about feminism hook, line and singer and are being dragged around by your own prejudices. Good luck with all that!
September 12th, 2007 at 9:35 amA U.S. military official reported that Israel conducted an airstrike “deep into Syria†yesterday.
Where is the outrage from the Bush Administration for Israel’s aggressive actions? There is none? Not surprising since I would be willing to bet the farm that the Bushies are involved with this aggression by Israel. Israel is trying to provoke a reaction so that the US can get involved being all enraged about a Syrian attack on Israel. No matter that Israel provoked it. I fervently hope our Democratic President distances our government from Israel. They are bad news and are looking for a fight every where they go.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:36 am#20 – “He apparently has about as much sway as the typical lefty TP poster.” Comment by r — September 12, 2007 @ 9:33 am
Or an ethics trainer at a Republican convention.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:37 am“Unfortunately, ALL AMERICAN WOMEN are brainwashed by Feminism and why would you want to have children with someone who is anti-male, anti-father, and anti-family?
Feminism = Suicide
Comment by steven j. williams”
It’s telling that you use the pronoun “you”. Apparently, in your world, men are the only people whose opinion matters. Unless of course you are for marraige between two women? I doubt that. It’s more likely that you don’t care what women think. Which is why women don’t want to have children with you.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:39 am#21 Diaried at DailyKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/12/0926/28618
Additional links within the diary.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:40 amIsrael is trying to provoke a reaction so that the US can get involved being all enraged about a Syrian attack on Israel. No matter that Israel provoked it.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 12, 2007 @ 9:36 am
It worked for them in 1967. I wonder how much land they’re going to grab this time.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:40 amr sez:
Or perhaps he’s the only one there with enough integrity to stay true to his convictions instead of slavishly voting to support a resolution that is obviously nothing more than lip service.
(BTW, if you’re wondering just what that word ‘integrity’ means, just click on the link I provided….it might do you some good.)
Here’s what Kucinich had to say about his decision to not support the resolution:
Funny how you didn’t include that, instead choosing to misrepresent his position to insinuate that he believes that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Click on that link yet?
September 12th, 2007 at 9:41 amComment by steven j. williams — September 12, 2007 @ 9:25 am
This person sounds unhinged.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:41 amHe was outvoted 334-1.
All other dems think he’s a kook too.
Comment by r
You really do need to go to your local Junior College and take a class in critical thinking. Just because the Democrats voted in a different way DOES NOT in any way mean that they think that Kucinich is a “kook”. They realize that his vote was a protest. Kucinich is well liked and well respected by his peers in the Congress.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:42 amI’m a liberal and I can’t stand Kucinich.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:44 amI’m a Clevelander and I can’t stand Kucinich!
He refuses to ever debate anyone contending for his seat in Congress…
and he has the nerve to proclaim the right to debate anyone for the presidency…
#26 – Thank you.
Yance T. Gray and Omar Mora… too tragic.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:44 amYou really do need to go to your local Junior College and take a class in critical thinking.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 12, 2007 @ 9:42 am
“r” is this morning’s RNC representative. It doesn’t really understand the talking points, it just repeats them.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:45 am“…1 in 3 Americans believe that ‘Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.’”
And gee, whaddaya know, that 33% mirrors matches FoxNews viewership. Garbage in, garbage out.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:47 amBut I don’t see the big deal with Kucinich’s vote.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:48 amHe simply feels the language isn’t strong enough and doesn’t say enough or go far enough.
If you’re interested in further proof of Fox News ignorance of fair and balanced reporting, you should check out their article on his vote. They devote I think just 2 paragraphs to the vote, then talk about other controversies to paint him in a corner. It’s a total hatchet job.
Kucinich is a featured guest on the Ed Schulz show today.
He’s also the only congress critter with the balls to tell it like it is.
The ONLY one.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:48 amIt is possible that Saddam was personally involved. If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:50 amIt is possible that Saddam was personally involved. If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.
Comment by Jake D. — September 12, 2007 @ 9:50 am
I would imagine it was possible you were also involved. Especially considering your support of the Iraq war at the expense of going after Bin Laden.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:53 amIt is possible that Saddam was personally involved. If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.
Comment by Jake D. — September 12, 2007 @ 9:50 am
What part of reality don’t you understand, Jake? The Bush administration did everything in its power to defend these false assertions, and it couldn’t.
What a loser.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:55 amHe was outvoted 334-1.
All other dems think he’s a kook too.
Or perhaps he’s the only one there with enough integrity to stay true to his convictions instead of slavishly voting to support a resolution that is obviously nothing more than lip service.
Here’s what Kucinich had to say about his decision to not support the resolution:
“It is important that Congress wake up to the truth and exercise its obligation under the Constitution to save our nation from being destroyed from the lies that took us into Iraq, the lies that keep us there, the lies that are being used to set the stage for war against Iran and the lies that have undermined our basic civil liberties here at home.â€
Funny how you didn’t include that, instead choosing to misrepresent his position to insinuate that he believes that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Click on that link yet?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 12, 2007 @ 9:41 am
Ok, then Kucinich is right and all the other dems are wrong.
He couldn’t vote for 9-11 remembrance because of Iraq.
The connection that doesn’t exist.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:55 amOnly 33 percent of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein had anything to with 9/11, and that is some sort of sad travesty.
Yet you liberals ignore the fact that 53 percent of Iraqis don’t want U.S. forces to leave Iraq yet.
Talk about picking and choosing your statistics.
And since when is the media’s job to educate the American public? They only report the news as they know it, and in some cases, spin it to suit their own political objectives.
If ANYONE in the United States is counting on only the news media for their history lessons, then they’ve got a real problem.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:55 amr sez:
Glad to see you finally get it. Who says you can’t teach a troll?
September 12th, 2007 at 9:56 am#37 “If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.” Comment by Jake D. — September 12, 2007 @ 9:50 am
So did Pres. Reagan & Then-VPres. Bush! They sold weapons to the Taliban when the Soviet Union was attempting to invade Afghanistan! They sold WMD’s to Saddam!
Should we take Pres. Bush (Sr.) to trail for his actions in helping these terrorists? Should we hang Pres. Reagans corpse?
Why does your standard seem to be “It’s OK when WE do it, but BAD when YOU do it!”???
September 12th, 2007 at 9:56 amFeminism = Suicide
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Comment by steven j. williams — September 12, 2007 @ 9:25 am
still not getting any, steve? your hatred of women’s equality marks you as a neandertal that no sane woman will have anything to do with. good news, because we really don’t need you apes procreating.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:56 amHe couldn’t vote for 9-11 remembrance because of Iraq.
The connection that doesn’t exist.
Comment by r — September 12, 2007 @ 9:55 am
it’s really too much for your simple mind, isn’t it?!?.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:58 am1 in 3 Americans is a complete Tool. Holy Christ.
Seriously, all you trolls who call us “elitist” when we question the intelligence of the heartland can kiss my clearly smarter ass. Good god you people really need to get your shit together.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:58 amFor at least a week, authorities say, a young black woman was held captive in a mobile home, forced to eat animal waste, stabbed, choked and repeatedly sexually abused all while being peppered with a racial slur.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3588313
September 12th, 2007 at 9:58 amIt is possible that Saddam was personally involved.
Comment by Jake D.
Prove that.
Most of the hijackers were Saudis, the same people that are still funding Al Qaeda.
And you fascist dumbf*cks want to attack Iran, while Bush holds hands with and kisses the Saudi Prince.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:59 amBushco’s “Big Lie” which was fed to their propaganda megaphones (the fascist corporate media) was that Saddam was involved in 911. They are a bunch of liars and charlatans and the majority of americans know it.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:00 am#41 – “Yet you liberals ignore the fact that 53 percent of Iraqis don’t want U.S. forces to leave Iraq yet.” Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 12, 2007 @ 9:55 am
Emphasis in above post is mine. How conveniently you forget that single word. Why are you happy with “six more months, forever” when Pres. Bush and the Republi-tards that support his failed policies refuse to consider ANY removal of ANY forces at all?
When you look at the poll, there is only 2% of Iraqi’s that want the US to NEVER LEAVE. Why do you disagree with the 98% majority of Iraqi’s?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:00 am“And finally: Happy Day of Conception! Gov. Sergei Morozov, head of the central Russian region Ulyanovsk, has given couples the day off to procreate. “Couples who give birth nine months later on Russia’s national day – June 12 – receive money, cars, refrigerators and other prizes.—
Perhaps he just wanted to get people’s minds off the fact that Vladimir Putin has dissolved the Russian Government, making way for Putin’s hand picked successor’s rise to power.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:00 amAwesome al-Jazeera English piece on Abu Risha and the surge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naJQc6vFlFY
September 12th, 2007 at 10:01 amWayne: Everyone also is aware of the Bush Crime Family’s ties with the Saudis who were flown out of this country in a hurry when air space was closed to ALL air traffic. Who were they? Members of the illustrious Carlyle Group to which Pappy Bush belongs? We know what he was up to on 9/10 and 9/11. He doesn’t fool anyone. He was also CIA director when the hit was put on JFK. This “rotten potato’ has been festering and contaminating the political landscape since the 60’s. He’s a nazi and a fascist – his own father was forced to cease & desist under the “trading with the enemy” act while he financed Hitler’s reign of terror.
The apples don’t fall far from the tree.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:02 amIf ANYONE in the United States is counting on only the news media for their history lessons, then they’ve got a real problem.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Hey, Bigpoot!
If we counted on the current administration for our history lessons, we wouldn’t have any problems, right?
sarc/off
And while I got you on the line, why do you always refer to your fellow citizens as “they”, and “them”, and “their” problems?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:02 amAre you that disconnected that you see yourself as somehow seperated from the society we all live in?
In post #47, I said that 1 in 3 would rather be told what to think and believe.
Jake D. Fake says
It is possible that Saddam was personally involved. If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.
And there you have it, folks.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:03 amYour 33%’er. aka dittohead aka not able to think critically and objectively (so that’s why you copy other war heroe’s records, and have an Ignore List)
Since Harry Waxman is willing to squander the hard-earned tax dollars of americans to look into Clinton’s administration now, why not go back beyond that to Bush#41’s administration. That’s where the beginning of our current contamination begins….so let’s reopen Bush 41’s presidency, shall we?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:03 am“…Vladimir Putin has dissolved the Russian Government, making way for Putin’s hand picked successor’s rise to power.”
Comment by O. Bigfoot
George W.’s wettest dream
September 12th, 2007 at 10:04 amBilbo and Democrat Soldier: The people need to remind Congress that, according to the Constitution, they are duty bound to bring about impeachment charges when impeachable offenses occur. It is not their “option” or “luxury” to do so – it is a constitutional mandate.
For openers, they could begin with Bush’s knowledge that there were no WMD’s and his lies to engage us in this quagmire called Iraq.
They could then move on to the violations of the Geneva Conventions on torture and the breach of international law – followed by illegal spying on american citizens…..and the list goes on.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:05 amPerhaps he just wanted to get people’s minds off the fact that Vladimir Putin has dissolved the Russian Government, making way for Putin’s hand picked successor’s rise to power.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 12, 2007 @ 10:00 am
creating some real envy in the White House
September 12th, 2007 at 10:05 amo. Bigfoot sez:
First of all, I assume you’re referencing the April CNN poll, since you seem incapable of providing your own references.
Second, the exact wording was: “At the time the question was asked, 53 percent said they would feel less safe if the U.S.-led coalition left immediately.”
Same old Straw Man. No one is advocating immediate withdrawal. Every time you neocon apologists attack that fallacious position, all you succeed in doing is making yourselves look even sillier.
Third, why didn’t you cite any of the other poll questions and answers, such as:
“Talk about picking and choosing your statistics”, indeed.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:06 amIs the moniker “bigfoot” or “biga$$”??
September 12th, 2007 at 10:06 amIt is possible that Saddam was personally involved. If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.
Comment by Jake D. — September 12, 2007 @ 9:50 am
And upon what do you base your hypothesis that Saddam could have been personally involved? Saddam had absolutely no use for either Osama bin Laden or Al Qaeda. He figured he really didn’t have a dog in their fight, and he didn’t share the theocratic ideology they stood for.
As to your other statement — “If not, he supported other terrorists around the globe.” — this sounds like the only basis you have for this conclusion is that “Saddam was a really, really bad guy (we know this because our leaders said so), so he MUST have done SOMETHING having to do with global terrorism!”
Saddam was a despotic tyrant who ruled Iraq with an iron hand and dealt swiftly and decisively with his enemies. He and his sons endorsed and conducted torture. He and his Baathists oppressed the Kurds and Shia living in his country. He was not a nice man. This made him a very effective boogeyman for America to blame for all the ills of the world (that, and he was sitting on a very large pool of oil).
However, all of Saddam’s evil was more or less contained in Iraq. The only times it spilled over into other countries was when he was at war with Iran and when he invaded Kuwait. He wasn’t a global player in the way that Osama bin Laden has been.
You and the other 33% of the American public have been duped.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:06 amIncidentally, Bigfoot(a$$): The Iraqi parliament voted overwhelmingly to move our sorry butts out of there two months ago – just so you know – and can come here with a reasonable modicum of intelligence.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:07 am#41 – “Yet you liberals ignore the fact that 53 percent of Iraqis don’t want U.S. forces to leave Iraq yet.†Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 12, 2007 @ 9:55 am
Emphasis in above post is mine. How conveniently you forget that single word. Why are you happy with “six more months, forever†when Pres. Bush and the Republi-tards that support his failed policies refuse to consider ANY removal of ANY forces at all?
When you look at the poll, there is only 2% of Iraqi’s that want the US to NEVER LEAVE. Why do you disagree with the 98% majority of Iraqi’s?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — September 12, 2007 @ 10:00 am”
So you put the word “yet” in my post in bold. Doesn’t seem like I forgot the word, did I?
And your statement that Bush has refused to consider troop withdrawals is a complete lie. Didn’t General Petraeus just state that 30,000 troops should be ready to leave by next summer, earlier than expected? And Bush supports the General on this point.
Fact: Bush WILL consider what the military believes to be the correct course of action, and so will I.
Fact: Bush WILL NOT consider what liberal blogs consider to be the correct course of action, and neither will I.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:08 amMissmolly: What’s important now is that the number of registered Repuke voters is only 27%. They are now the official “third party”. The new dialogue in this country will center around the Democrats (at 37%) and the Independents (now at 35% and growing daily).
September 12th, 2007 at 10:08 amBigfoot: Since you have disdain for the liberal blogs, what the hell are you doing making a jackass of yourself here then?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:09 amFor at least a week, authorities say, a young black woman was held captive in a mobile home, forced to eat animal waste, stabbed, choked and repeatedly sexually abused all while being peppered with a racial slur.
Comment by thetruth — September 12, 2007 @ 9:58
Ironic, isn’t it, that the trolls here go ballistic about past and current “Islamofacists” atrocities, but they remain eerily silent when the violence becomes domestic.
Wazzamatta, trolls? These idiots in West Virginia hit too close to home with your “beliefs”?
I, for one, pray for this victim, and justice to prevail for these criminals.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:09 amI’m usually not “an eye for an eye” vigilante, but in this case, I’m all for these lowlifes to be beaten, stabbed, strangled, raped, as well as being forced to eat animal and human excrements!!!
“six more months, forever” is fact if this Congress doesn’t hold General Betray-us and the Chimp’s feet to the fire for a greater drawdown (this is a pisshole in the snow and only moves things back to pre-election numbers 06). His plan is a sham and a mockery of the people’s time and money funding these quacks in their positions.
Cut the purse strings now and demand an increased drawdown immediately. The “bloodbath” which will ensue is no different than the bloodbath we’ve been involved in and instigating for the past 6 years.
Two wrongs never made a right and never will. Our patriotic duty now is to bring our soldiers home right now.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:11 am“o. Bigfoot sez:
First of all, I assume you’re referencing the April CNN poll, since you seem incapable of providing your own references.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 12, 2007 @ 10:06 am”
If that is the poll Think Progress was quoting just a couple of days ago to make their point on immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, then you would be correct, since that is where I got the information.
I don’t remember you discounting that poll when TP used it. Please feel free to direct me to your post where you did.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:12 amEvery troll is an islamo-bigot, ForTruth, that’s why….not to mention quintessential hypocrites.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:12 am“Six years after the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S., it seems the media still have some educational work to do. A new CBS/New York Times poll reveals that even today, 1 in 3 Americans believe that ‘Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.’â€
I think these 1 in 3 people still cannot believe that the President would lie to them about something as serious as war.
This is why impeachment is so important. When these people throw off their disbelief and see the truth, imagine their fury. The Republicans, the administration and the media know this; they KNOW that their last remaining supporters will become implacable foes, and so they will suppress impeachment with all they have.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:21 amO. Bigfoot sez:
Actually, no, it’s not. I had to do a search to find a poll where 53 percent of Iraqis did not favor an immediate withdrawal (since, again, you seem to be unable to properly cite your sources), and came up with another poll.
However, as it turns out, the points I raised against you in my earlier post (which you’ve still failed to address) are still completely valid. Go figure.
Oh, and please quote the passage where TP was ‘making their point on immediate withdrawal’. I’d be interested to see that…assuming, of course, that such a passage exists.
I’m not discounting the poll now. I’m merely discounting your skewed, disingenuous interpretation of one question in the poll.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:29 amMay I just say the comments on this thread had been a very enjoyable read this morning, for the most part. Democrat Soldier, thank you especially for some well-sourced comments.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:30 amIn another time… another place… the neocons.. including bush and cheney would be hung for their support of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan after 911.
How many of the bush “allies” have killed Americans in Iraq? Afghanistan? New York? The Pentagon? Madrid? England? On and on…
We look like complete idiots as they laugh in our face while this sham continues on …
September 12th, 2007 at 10:33 am“Six years after the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S., it seems the media still have some educational work to do. A new CBS/New York Times poll reveals that even today, 1 in 3 Americans believe that ‘Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.’â€
Mission accomplished – eh? Karl? Anyone have any numbers on how many US soldiers in Iraq think this way. I had anecdotal evidence that the proportion was in fact higher – closer to 50%. Might have to look for that.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:34 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 12, 2007 @ 10:08 am
li’l foot! Howza Neuticlesâ„¢ hangin, Dawg?
FYI, folks… li’l footie here has been caught more than once jimmyin’ up his stats – FAKIN’ his numbers (in layman’s terms…)! ‘N if ya call him on it, he jes’ lies and runs off!
Like, fer instance, this silly number he’s toutin’ today, “53% of the Iraqis don’t want us to leave”, where’s that come from? A poll that says 47% want us to. So Li’l Footie thinks he can claim that means 535% want us to stay. LI’L FOOTIE’S A PHONY!
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/1043a1IraqWhereThingsStand.pdf
“The number of Iraqis in favor of an IMMEDIATE withdrawal of US troops is now 47%, up from 34% in March”
But wait, here’s a 53% we can use!
53% of Iraqis strongly oppose the presence of coalition forces (the highest number ever, up from March of this year). Only 5% strongly approve their presence. In total 79% disapprove of their presence and 21% approve their presence. This is unchanged
li’l foot, yer’s an F-in’ PHONY!
September 12th, 2007 at 10:37 amABC’s Brian Ross reports that wealthy Saudi Arabians are “filling al Qaeda’s coffers.†“If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia,†Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing.
When do the B2’s appear over Riyadh?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:37 amResponsible for 9/11 : Cheney and his Shadow Goverment, Parts of the Military, Wall Street, Israel and Pakistan’s ISI
September 12th, 2007 at 10:39 am9/12 2001 as a warning would have been about right…
September 12th, 2007 at 10:40 amFor at least a week, authorities say, a young black woman was held captive in a mobile home, forced to eat animal waste, stabbed, choked and repeatedly sexually abused all while being peppered with a racial slur.
Comment by thetruth — September 12, 2007 @ 9:58
Ironic, isn’t it, that the trolls here go ballistic about past and current “Islamofacists†atrocities, but they remain eerily silent when the violence becomes domestic.
Comment by DRxJ — September 12, 2007 @ 10:09 am
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I suspect that’s because the alleged perpetrators of this atrocity are not Muslim. Just as detonating a bomb in a public place is “terrorism” when a Muslim does it, but not if the bomber is Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph.
We have been told as repeatedly as a steady drumbeat for years now that we must live in fear of terrorists. Every terrorist act is a global event, fueling this fear. Yet, I am in much more danger of being the victim of a drunk driver, being caught in the crossfire of a gang war, killed by a junkie looking for a way to finance his next fix, etc. than I am of being blown up by Al Qaeda. So why are fanatic Muslim extremists the only ones I’m supposed to be afraid of?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:40 amhttp://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 12, 2007 @ 10:34 am
Oh my bad – where only 33% of the public believe Saddam was the brain behind 9-11, the proportion of US troops who ‘think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11′ is nearly 90%. Who has been telling them that?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:43 amWhen do the B2’s appear over Riyadh?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 12, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Very funny. You know that Saudi Arabia is as sacred to the Bushes as Israel is. Even if Saudi Arabia overtly attacked our country, Bush would respond by attacking some other country completely irrelevant to the situation — Bangladesh, perhaps?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:44 amComment by missmolly — September 12, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Missmolly, there is also the CIA/Cheney financial support for the extremist Sunni groups (one of which is called the MEK) who are carrying bombing attacks inside Iran…… what are they? Terrorists? Or ‘freedom fighters’? I guess it depends on whether they have dollars or Saudi money in their pockets.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:47 amWhy were General Patraeus and Ambassador Crocker not sworn in?
Wednesday 12th of September 2007
by Jay Randal
Ray McGovern mentioned that on Monday’s hearing, in US House of Representatives, General Patraeus and Ambassador Crocker were NOT sworn in to testify, so everything they told Congress could be bald-faced lies.
Everybody from PAST administrations have testified under oath, before Congressional committees or when addressing the House/Senate on important matters, so failure to swear in Patraeus and Crocker is a travesty.
American citizenry are going to start refusing to obey judges to be sworn in courtrooms, because if Congress can ignore any legality they choose then so can public, and since Bush officials ignore subpoenas so can public.
If Sen. Larry Craig can have his guilty plea dropped, for disorderly conduct in public restroom, then every guy arrested for the same thing can have their charges nullified too and sex acts might increase in restrooms.
The Congress having double-standards undermines laws!
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
September 12th, 2007 at 10:47 amWhen do the B2’s appear over Riyadh?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — September 12, 2007 @ 10:37 am
September 12th, 2007 at 10:48 amWe built Riyadh – we’re not gonna bomb it…
Comment by missmolly — September 12, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Ah you’re either a fan of Molly Ivins or Gary Webb (RIP both).
September 12th, 2007 at 10:48 amYou know what I find very telling : Chimpy’s excuse for Al-Queda attacked us because they are jealous of all our liberties.
But the consequences of fighting this phony war on terrorism, US loses liberties, freedoms (Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act etc.)
September 12th, 2007 at 10:48 amOne in three still think saddam was involved in 9-11. One in three posts on this blog are from right wing wack jobs. Coincidence?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:55 amComment by Kay — September 12, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Trouble is, OBL never says anything about that. Here’s what he said on Oct 29th, 2004:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm
Then there’s a piece by Michael Schuer (better known as ‘Anonymous’) if you don’t take OBL at his word:
1) Osama bin Laden (OBL) is neither an evil madman or just a criminal — he is a highly competent, religiously motivated, charismatic leader who we had best take seriously.
2) Al Qaeda is not a terrorist organization, but is rather part of and attempting to lead a global Muslim insurgency.
3) OBL & Al Qaeda are not opposed to the U.S. because of “who we are,†(ie, “we stand for freedomâ€), but because of what we do — because of specific aspects of U.S. foreign policy.
4) The doctrine that informs OBL/Al Qaeda is that of DEFENSIVE JIHAD — they see the Muslim world under attack by the U.S., and call upon scripture to support defensive military action by all faithful members of the “umma†(the universal body of Islam).
5) OBL has repeatedly stated five demands for changes in U.S. foreign policy: i) end all aid to Israel, ii) withdraw military forces from the Arabian Peninsula and all Muslim territory, iii) end all involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, iv) end U.S. support for the oppression of Muslims in China, Russia, India and elsewhere, and v) restore Muslim control of the Islamic world’s energy resources for the benefit of Muslims. A sixth point is to replace U.S.-backed regimes in the Muslim world with Islamic regimes, but that is really a demand on the Muslim population.
6) The war in Afghanistan was a failure from the beginning, because OBL & the other leaders were allowed to escape at the beginning, and because the U.S. is just propping up Karzai in Kabul while the rest of the country is still in the hands of warlords and the Taliban.
7) The offensive invasion and occupation of Iraq was a huge gift to OBL — it has just tied down more U.S. forces that otherwise could be fighting Al Qaeda, and it has become potent evidence for OBL’s claim that the U.S. is aggressively targeting the Muslim world.
8) Scheuer concludes that at this point there is no choice but to resolve to fight a relentless war against the Al Qaeda-led insurgency. However, if the U.S. took action on the list of demands, it could undercut the insurgency dramatically. Scheuer argues that the U.S. should move to energy sufficiency, stop propping up corrupt regimes like Saudi Arabia, and remove itself as a target of the so far effective-because-largely-true propaganda campaign of the insurgents. There is no contradiction here, as some readers think. Changing political policies AND waging a more effective military campaign are both parts of an overall strategy, and only one-dimensional thinkers would imagine that it’s an either/or choice.â€
The people who tell you that AQ ‘hates us for our liberties’ are liars.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:55 amWe built Riyadh – we’re not gonna bomb it…
Comment by toasterhead
I thought Osama Bin Ladens father build Riyadh…
September 12th, 2007 at 10:56 amBin Bush is the one that said that Bin Laden is jealous of our freedoms.
Not Bin Laden.
The Bush Killing Machine has been spewing venomous propaganda since Day One.
see: Hitler
September 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amI knew of the Saudi-Al Qeada money connection back in 2001. People have been talking about it for years. It boils down the US financing the very people who are attacking us. I am surprised the right wing doesn’t say or do more about the whole thing. At the very least, lets start on alternate energy choices, so we can undercut the money funding Al-Qeada. A simple strategy, but a workable one. A win-win in my opinion.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:01 amHey you right wingers… arent any of you crazy enough to fly a plane into the tallest damn building in Saudi Arabia… just as a big thank you for all their support in the WOT?
September 12th, 2007 at 11:01 amRude Pundit has a good read on Osama. Rated NC-17 btw.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 11:03 amWASHINGTON – “They hate our freedoms – our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.†Those were the famous words of our great leader, George W. Bush in his 2001 joint session of Congress. With the threat of terrorism around the world steadily rising, the White House has now decided that it is finally time to act on this philosophy to put an end to attacks on American interests. The new policy was disclosed yesterday when Senior White House Press Secretary, Tony Snow, described the well thought out plan:
September 12th, 2007 at 11:05 am“Since September 11th, we, the American people, have been living in fear of crazed Islamo-Fascists, homosexuals, illegal immigrants, liberals, scientists and other barbaric, Godless haters of Freedom, but now the time has come to fight back. With the ongoing war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan going so well, we now think that it is time to start attacking the underlying causes of terrorism – namely, our freedoms.â€
Statement in the US House of Representatives June 6, 2002, by Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney: Mr. Speaker, I speak to commemorate and recognize the tragic attack that took place against the U.S.S. Liberty on June 8, 1967. Although thirty-five years have come and gone since this historic event, the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty are still struggling with the fact that their story has never been heard. While there has never been an official investigation into this event, we have learned from survivor accounts that for over 75 minutes the Israeli Defense Forces attacked the U.S.S. Liberty, killing 34 American soldiers and wounding an additional 172. With over 85% of the crew either dead or wounded, they somehow managed to keep the ship afloat after being hit by over 1000 rounds of rocket, cannon, machine gun, napalm hits, and even a direct hit from a torpedo. This unprovoked attack took place in international waters, and by a trusted ally. The only explanation given to the survivors and their families as to why this attack took place was that it was an accident and that their ship was not identified as being American, regardless of the fact that our flag was proudly flown throughout the attack. Unfortunately, that explanation is not good enough for those whose lives have been impacted by this attack, and it should not be good enough for the American people. Let’s not wait another thirty-five years before we provide the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty an official investigation into why this attack took place and allow them to tell their story. We owe them more than a debt of gratitude for their sacrifice; we owe them the truth. http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/israels_assault_on_USSLiberty.htm#statement%20by%20cynthia%20McKinney
September 12th, 2007 at 11:08 am#64 – “And Bush supports the General on this point.” Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 12, 2007 @ 10:08 am
You mean, the General that survived the purge!
Don’t forget, Pres. Bush has already fired any/all Generals that dared to consider how we would handle the occupation! When you remove everyone that doesn’t swallow the ‘party line’ then you’re only surounded by ‘yes men’.
Pres. Bush only listens to the Generals that already echoed his prejudices! Pres. Bush got rid of the Generals that voiced any dissent with his prejudices at all!
September 12th, 2007 at 11:10 amObama Distances Himself From Controversial Book on U.S.-Israeli Relations. Like many in Washington, Barack Obama is running as fast as he can from the authors of a controversial new book on U.S.-Israeli politics. And in doing so, he’s taking a distinctly different path than one of his highest-profile supporters in the foreign policy establishment, Zbigniew Brzezinski. After being alerted by a reporter for the New York Sun, the Obama campaign raced yesterday to take down a small ad for the campaign’s Web site that appeared as one of several “sponsored links” on the Amazon.com page for “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy” by John Mearsheimer, a political scientist at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, a professor at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. The book argues that a highly influential assortment of pro-Israeli politicians, journalists and academics have succeeded in pushing U.S. policy in the Middle East in directions that do not necessarily serve America’s best interests. And, like an article by the authors that appeared last year, the book has caused a considerable stir — critics have accused the authors of anti-Semitism, admirers have praised them for needed candor, and several institutions and organizations have turned down or canceled appearances by the authors, including the Graduate Center at the City University of New York and, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/11/post_69.html
September 12th, 2007 at 11:13 am1 in 3 Americans believe that ‘Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.’â€
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I have yet to meet one of these individuals.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:16 amI would like to meet one of these individuals.
Comment by Ringo — September 12, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Fixed your comment ringo =P
September 12th, 2007 at 11:22 amI thought Osama Bin Ladens father build Riyadh…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 12, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Nah, SBG built Makka and Medina. Bechtel and Chas T. Main built Riyadh.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:22 amComment by Krazny — September 12, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Kraz – Michael Schuer, not shrinking violet, agrees with you. The geopolitics of energy are counting against the West for the forseeable future: the Eurpeans held hostage by Putin and oil money finding its way to AQ as a bribe to keep the Islamic fundies away from Saudi Arabia.
Off to read Rude Pundit. Thx for the reminder.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:24 amI have yet to meet one of these individuals.
Comment by Ringo — September 12, 2007 @ 11:16 am
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Really? Honestly, this surprises me. Maybe it’s because I live in Utah, but I run into these people all the time. Believe it or not, there is a large chunk of people who believe he was directly involved, or that the terrorists that committed 9/11 were trained in Iraq, or that if we leave Iraq another 9/11 type attack will occur.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:25 amRingo: You don’t get out much, do you?
September 12th, 2007 at 11:25 amSaddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001
Wasn’t he the 17th Hijacker?
September 12th, 2007 at 11:27 amNah, SBG built Makka and Medina. Bechtel and Chas T. Main built Riyadh.
Comment by toasterhead — September 12, 2007 @ 11:22 am
And they can build it all over again! Dispatch the B52s immediately, root out the AQ funders with the bunker busters….. Get me Halliburton on line 2!
/sarcasm off
September 12th, 2007 at 11:28 amTo me Terry it is a pretty obvious connection. I realize that other countries also buy Saudi Oil. But the country is largely run like a feudal state. The oil money, is spread among the citizens. That money often finds its way to extremists schools, and charities that give the money to Al-Qaeda, or other terrorists groups. We are held hostage by our energy needs, and we don’t seem to be changing course.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:29 amI got laid last night, and feminism is fine with me.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:34 amI got laid last night, and feminism is fine with me.
Comment by Frisky Dingo — September 12, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Really? What was his name?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:40 amOff to lunch now!
I have yet to meet one of these individuals.
Comment by Ringo — September 12, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Ya need to get outta the basement more, Wrongo.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:41 amHmmm… odd. One more time Li’l Foot gets confronted w/ proof of his deception, and he’s gone, jes’ like a f*rt in a wind storm…
September 12th, 2007 at 11:43 amYa need to get outta the basement more, Wrongo.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
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I guess you just know more stupid people that I do.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:58 amN.O. black population drops. Sounds like a GOP plan to turn it into a ‘vanilla’ city to me.
Ahnold is afraid to let the people of California decide about the fate of their sons and daughters.
When is the “liberal media” ever going to educate the people the truth about Saddam and 9/11? Or is it hopeless that they will fulfil their civic responsibility?
Bush loves and the Saudis. The Saudis fund terrorists. Therefore, Bush supports terrorism. Why does W. hate America?
September 12th, 2007 at 11:59 am…. or that if we leave Iraq another 9/11 type attack will occur.
Comment by Chris L — September 12, 2007 @ 11:25 am
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The last part may be true….another 9/11 type attack will occur if we don’t leave Iraq as well.
September 12th, 2007 at 12:02 pmJingo sez:
33% of the population, and you “have yet to meet one of them”?
Assuming, for the moment, that you aren’t a shut-in, I find that statement nearly impossible to believe…
…which makes it fit in nicely with the rest of the tripe you post here.
September 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThe oil money, is spread among the citizens. That money often finds its way to extremists schools, and charities that give the money to Al-Qaeda, or other terrorists groups. We are held hostage by our energy needs, and we don’t seem to be changing course.
Comment by Krazny — September 12, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Well, that’s not really true. Saudi Arabia doesn’t publish a Gini coefficient, so I don’t know how inequal income distribution is, but it’s pretty clear from the other indicators that most of the oil wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few. 2/3 of Saudis are employed in services, and another 12% in agriculture – only 1/4 are in industry (including petrochemical), the unemployment rate is between 14-25%, and as much as 35% of the labor force is foreign workers.
It is true that some Saudi money goes to fund Wahhabist schools within and outside the kingdom. What should also be mentioned is that the thing that spawned this investment in the first place was the 1979 Iranian Revolution, which put a powerful Shi’ite regime just across the fertile crescent from Saudi Arabia.
September 12th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“I’m a liberal ”
Comment by Wilco — September 12, 2007 @ 9:44 am
Oops, then sorry about my reply to you on yesterday’s TF thread. I must say, you play a very convincing and hilarious “rightard”.
I’ve never heard that about Kucinich not debating other Senate prospects. Do you have any links and has he ever supplied a reason for that? Thanks
September 12th, 2007 at 12:43 pmJ, that post was a joke!
September 12th, 2007 at 12:55 pmSeriously, the Bible doesn’t read “Thou shalt not kill unless they got it coming”
I don’t have a link about Kucinich.
But he’s stated his reason for refusing to debate Kucinich is becaue his constituents already know his positions.
Really, though, is there ever a good reason for a politician to refuse to debate?
I agree with Biden, who said that what he likes best about Kucinich is his wife.
September 12th, 2007 at 12:57 pmBelieve it or not, there is a large chunk of people who believe he was directly involved,
Just as there is a large chunk of people who believe Bush committed the 911 attacks; seems that fools inhabit both sides of the political spectrum.
September 12th, 2007 at 12:57 pmhis reason for refusing to debate Kucinich
so, that doesn’t make sense in context
September 12th, 2007 at 12:58 pmKucinich refuses to debate contenders because he says his constituents already know his positions
there, that’s better
ToasterHead,
thanks for the info, it makes it even more insidious in my opinion. They situation you have outlined, means that it is a few elite families who are supporting terrorism, with the unsaid permission of the royal family.
September 12th, 2007 at 12:59 pmYea, when the ragheads hit DC you VERY FUNNY leftist are going to have shit all over your faces; but then a shitty face liberal looks no different than a raghead. Then what are all these poor, underprivileged folks without health insurance and welfare going to do? Won’t matter then will it? Maybe the ragheads will have pity and slit your throat really fast or stick a grenade up your great sphincter, YO!!!!
September 12th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThen what are all these poor, underprivileged folks without health insurance and welfare going to do? Won’t matter then will it? Maybe the ragheads will have pity and slit your throat really fast or stick a grenade up your great sphincter, YO!!!!
Comment by Hussein ONeal and Bob (Joker) — September 12, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
This may be the.
September 12th, 2007 at 1:30 pmdumbest.
post.
ever!
Keep up the good work, Neal and Bob (is that your name, or what you do?)
When I’m looking for unintelligent, nonsensical posters with no inclination of debate or argument, I’ll make sure to look for your comments!
So the Governator thinks that the people’s word on banning same-sex marriage is so good that he’ll veto any measures coming from the Legislature permitting it, but the people apparently lack the intelligence to vote on a measure which advises Shrub to bring back the troops.
September 12th, 2007 at 1:42 pmI guess we know Ahh-nuld’s feelings on the democratic process: If it matches his views, it’s a good thing; if it doesn’t, then it’s bad.
• 70% of Americans believe we should not quickly pull out of Iraq
o Includes 73% of Democrats (more than the 71% of Republicans)
• 69% believe we should increase surveillance of terrorists
o 61% believe we should wiretap suspected terrorists without a court warrant
• 63% believe we should not release prisoners from Guantanamo Bay
September 12th, 2007 at 2:13 pmcite your source, r.
September 12th, 2007 at 2:43 pmCan’t help but notice that you’ve still failed to cite a source, r…
No source == no credibility.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmSo 80% doesn’t believe the official story of 9/11, but 30% are dumb enough to believe Saddam Hussein was in on it? The math doesn’t add up. Somebody’s poll is wrong.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pmWith 90% of Americans believing in God, I think 30% believing that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 should be the least of anyone’s worries…
September 13th, 2007 at 4:27 am