CentCom Chief Fallon: Petraeus Is ‘An Ass-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t,’ ‘I Hate People Like That’
CentCom Chief Fallon: Petraeus Is ‘An Ass-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t,’ ‘I Hate People Like That’
During the Iraq war, the Central Command (CENTCOM) head — who leads U.S. operations in the entire Middle East region — and the Multinational Force Commander (MNF) have regularly testified together about the course of the war in Iraq.
Former-MNF Commander Gen. George Casey and his CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid constantly briefed Congress about the situation in Iraq and its regional effects. In at least four public hearings after Casey took office in 2004, the pair testified together:
Senate Armed Services [6/23/05]
House Armed Services [6/23/05]
House Armed Services [9/29/05]
Senate Armed Services [9/29/05]
In January, President Bush replaced Abizaid and Casey, who were “surge” skeptics, with Adm. William Fallon and Gen. David Petraeus. This week, Petraeus — in the first public hearings since taking on his new role — delivered his Iraq assessment to great media fanfare. But where was his boss, Admiral Fallon? Inter-Press Service suggests animosity between the two might be one reason for Fallon’s absence:
Fallon told Petraeus [in March] that he considered him to be “an ass-kissing little chickensh*t” and added, “I hate people like that”, the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.
The Washington Post reported this weekend that there is an internal military debate, described as “Armageddon,” brewing between Petraeus and Fallon because the two men have “profoundly different views of the U.S. role in Iraq.”
Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) announced today that he will be asking Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) to call Fallon to testify on “his views on the region.” Webb decried the lack of independence in Petraeus’s reporting, observing that there are “a lot of control factors going on that haven’t been visible” from the one-sided testimony of Petraeus:
WEBB: [T]here’s something of a kabuki going on right now. You know, the Petraeus report was brought in. On the one hand they’re calling it independent; on the other, General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker, from my understanding, gave a one-hour exclusive interview to Fox News after their first day of testimony. [...]
So it was a very narrow and focused two days of hearings…we need to hear from people like Admiral Fallon and others to get a sense of how the region is in play. … He was, by many accounts, questioning keeping these troop levels this high. [...]
So I’m going to be recommending to Senator Levin that we get Admiral Fallon in and get his views on the region.
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Hahahaha!!! He's right!
Looks like Bush, who fired multiple Generals who publicly disagreed with the official Bush & Co. policies, stopped at least one General short on his firings.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pmYowza! Military leaders need to do what's good for their country and stand up to their F*ck-up-in-Chief.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pmUH OH!! Looks like the inmates are destroying the asylum and eating each other! Hate it when they do that.
next thing you kow, the Pentagon will counter Betrayus' great little speech.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pm#1...Fallon is an Admiral, but I know what you mean.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmThis reminds me on why I'm happy Webb is in Congress.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWait, wait!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI'll be right back with the popcorn!
This is going to be good!
damn straight...! nobody was thinking clearly or fallon would have already been scheduled to testify instead of simply doing it bush's way... but, hey...! it's our roll-over congress, so i guess it's par for course...
And, yes, I DO take it personally
September 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmCountdown until rightwing blowholes start screeching that the nations #1 Naval officer is an "Un-American surrender monkey"... 10...9...8...7...
September 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“an ass-kissing little chickensh*tâ€
I don't think we should read into this too much. After all every member of the Bush Admin is “an ass-kissing little chickensh*tâ€
September 12th, 2007 at 5:11 pmShine a little light and watch the neocon scum scurry like cockroaches.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:13 pmFallon must testify.
I love it!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:14 pmJudging by the, as usual, ferociously radicalized and thoughtless belief of these easily fooled progtards, truth and verification is not something that progtards put a lot of value in. Despite the fact that Toilet Paper misappropriates this alleged quote of Fallon's from an unreliable source (guess what idiot progs? It's ANOTHER UNNAMED, Pentagon source!), the emotionally unstable progs here are insanely misbehaving like Fallon actually derided Petraeus! Of course Fallon didn't deride Patreus because if he really did, the source would've been named in the article. This article from IPS was flagrantly concocted by an anti-surge leftard who made up the whole thing including the unnamed source. Fallon is a high-ranking general; there's no way he would be unintelligent enough to use the swear word and immature word "chicken*hit" to attack anyone. This article was also obviously manufactured to agree with the progressives' preconceived bias that Petraeus had no independence from Bush in testimony.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThis reminds me on why I’m happy Webb is in Congress.
Comment by hellinabucket — September 12, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
And why I'm happy I voted for him.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pmAnyhow...just because Fallon might have spoken the truth ONCE, it doesn't mean he will again. There's no telling what the terrorist survellience program has turned up on the Admiral in the meantime.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pmHe will be fired in 5 ..... .4.......3........
September 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pmYea baby!!!!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAlright! Lets all pat ourselves on the back!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmLooks like there might be an Admirals post open soon. Plus the CentCom post. Perhaps Petraus can take over that job as well.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pm.....bias that Petraeus had no independence from Bush in testimony.
Comment by IsaythatPROGSARECHICKENS*ITS — September 12, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
And your point is..........?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAnd the press goes after MoveOn.org for calling him "Betray Us." Unbelievable. “An ass-kissing little chickensh*t†could be used to describe just about everyone in this administration -- except the real power behind the throne: the Saudis.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI am shocked that a member of the armed forces would use an immature word. (snark)
September 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmActually Patraeus' boss is the real little ChickenSh*t.
Independant thinkers -
we don't need no stinking Independant thinkers -
Bush will fire anyone who does not agree with him, no matter how wrong Bush is.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmArthur C. The nation's #1 naval officer is not Fallon, it's the CNO(Chief of Naval Operations-a Pentagon position- Joint Chief of Staff). I don't know who is the current CNO though. But you are right about the Swiftboaters about to impugn his patriotism.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pm“An ass-kissing little chickensh*tâ€.
Hey trollies! Here is a name you can use! Hardly any miles on it, used a few times by an Admiral.
GO for it!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
September 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmPETRAEUS 2007 = WESTMORELAND 1967.
CAP, TP, MoveOver, etc. set out a week before hearing what Petraeus had to say to discredit what they had not yet heard. And I'm supposed to believe this "breaking news" and other TP spun stories because.......??????
September 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmComment by IsaythatPROGSARECHICKENS*ITS -
Do you really think we read any of your stupid posts retard?
change the name to -
retardthatgetsownedbylibswitheverythingheposts
there that is much better
September 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI think CentCOM would not be happy if Petraeus was suddenly appointed their commander. The morale isn't sparkling as it is.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmFallon is a high-ranking general; there’s no way he would be unintelligent enough to use the swear word and immature word “chicken*hit†to attack anyone.
Comment by IsaythatPROGSARECHICKENS*ITS — September 12, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Admiral, actually. And I've known several high-ranking Admirals and Generals in my time, and "chickensh*t" is pretty tame compared to the language I've heard.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmFallon is a high-ranking general; there’s no way he would be unintelligent enough to use the swear word and immature word “chicken*hit†to attack anyone.
Aaaahahahaha! What an idiot. She/he thinks that, one-on-one, military men speak like schoolmarms. What an insanely stupid thing to say.
PS: Your prose style suggests you are the same loathesome ass who posted as a fake Army Ranger in this post earlier today:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/fathers-of-soldiers-killed-in-iraq/#comment-4073118
...in order to dishonor the memory of fallen soldiers. What a soulless POS you are. Go crawl under a rock, you smegma-souled hole.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#26...No one had to WAIT, because we could have written what he was going to say back in April.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmCAP, TP, MoveOver, etc. set out a week before hearing what Petraeus had to say to discredit what they had not yet heard. And I’m supposed to believe this “breaking news†and other TP spun stories because…….??????
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Because they were right?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pm# 30. He uses many personas and his ranting name is how you can tell.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmBythewaydidItellyouthatrethugssuck?
dauntless diana: "...before hearing what Petraeus had to say to discredit what they had not yet heard."
Hey doughbrain: the WH was actively leaking details of Petreus's testimony well before his appearance. You might have a poiunt if there were surprises in Petraeus's testimomny... but there wasn't. If you have a problem with that, go screech to your Screw-up-in-Chief, you idiot.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAlright! Lets all pat ourselves on the back!
Comment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
What are you patting yourself on the back for?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pmWhat are the odds that his plane disappears from radar over on the way? How 'bout a nice little MI to keep him in the ICU incommunicado for weeks? A stroke? Measles?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAs soon as I see "ohIamtoostupidforwords" long name I skip over it, for I know that it says nothing and was posted by an idiot.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAdmiral William Fallon, then President George W. Bush’s nominee to head the Central Command (CENTCOM), expressed strong opposition in February to an administration plan to increase the number of carrier strike groups in the Persian Gulf from two to three and vowed privately there would be no war against Iran as long as he was chief of CENTCOM.
Yes....that Admiral Fallon.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmNice try, Gummy! Now if the TP psychics will divulge the Super Lotto numbers....... Seems the powers that be didn't have to actually KNOW what he was going to say before they decided they didn't agree him......Just a tad hypocritical......
September 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Looks like whinny aphrodite got her computer privileges back. Wonder how long the nurses will let her keep them?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#40
September 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI think you've nailed it (her).
Admiral Fallon is obviously a traitor and terrorist whereas Petraeus is a great patriot.
Why? Because Fallon doesn't have residue of Bush fecal matter on his tongue. That's become the main distinction between traitor and patriot, at least to the brain dead, mouth-foaming Cons.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmIsaythatPROGSARECHICKENS*ITS
September 12th, 2007 at 5:34 pmmust have a program that writes the rants it posts. they are all the same there is no way a human could write them. unless it's a rightwingrainman... twohundredandsixtoothpickstwohundredandsixtoothpickstwohundredandsixtoothpicks....it'stimeforjudgewapner.
#39 doughbrain diana: Seems the powers that be didn’t have to actually KNOW what he was going to say before they decided they didn’t agree him…
Like I said, the White House was actively leaking details of Petreus’s testimony well before his appearance. Maybe you didn't read about that? If not, maybe you could get yer little sister to read a newspaper to ya next time. Then you might not sound like such a know-nothing sap.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:34 pmFor a job well done! We said Petraeus was an idiot, and this guy confirmed it! Our self-worth levels just skyrocketed!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pmkrazny's right.
dauntless diana = valiant venus = mighty aphrodite.
no credibility. nothing to see here. don't feed the troll.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAnd by self-worth, I mean self-important
September 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmMy view from out here on this limb: Bush has removed us from the MIDDLE of a Civil war in Iraq. We're now edging towards the Sunni Side. So I'm glad Fallon will resign before attacking Iran,
September 12th, 2007 at 5:38 pm39: "didn't agree him"? A.D.D. getting to you?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:38 pmFor a job well done! We said Petraeus was an idiot, and this guy confirmed it! Our self-worth levels just skyrocketed!
Comment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Why do act as if you speak for everyone? By the way, congrats on having your self-worth/self imporance skyrocket.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:39 pmPetraeus didn't say what the Dems wanted to hear, so they will keep looking until they find someone who does.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:42 pmHeckuva Job TP, Heckuva Job! We called this one years ago!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmOnly in the government would getting 3 out of 18 benchmarks be a success. And only would a 4 star General under Bush disgrace himself by saying it.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmHeckuva Job TP, Heckuva Job! We called this one years ago!
Comment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
What did TP call years ago? Patraeus was only confirmed to his current position on January 26, 2007.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:46 pmKrazny - TP is interested in "dissent"....as long as the "dissenters" agree with TP.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmPetraeus didn’t say what the Dems wanted to hear, so they will keep looking until they find someone who does.
You mean like Bush fired Fallon's predecessor General Abizaid, a critic of Bush's "surge"? Or like he fired General Shinseki of the Army, who told Bush that several hundred thousand troops would be needed to win in Iraq?
Project much?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmTee Heeee!!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThe years was supposed to be in italics, to show that it wasn't literally years ago.. But it didn't get italicized for some reason. Regardless we did call it when we first heard he was going to give a report on the situation!
September 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmpetraeus said EXACTLY what i wanted to hear...
WARNER: . . . Are you able to say at this time, if we continue what you have laid before the Congress, this strategy, that if you continue, you are making America safer?
PETRAEUS: Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objections in Iraq.
WARNER: Does that make America safer?
PETRAEUS: Sir, I don’t know actually.
I DON'T KNOW?
are you freaking serious? we're mired in a war with no end in sight and the commanding general DOESN'T KNOW if it's making america safer?
that about says it all, wingnuts. you are defending a failed policy that even the commanding general can't say is making america more safe.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pmLooks like the latest string of DemPres hopefuls have neither the courage or the stomach to take on MoveOver.org.........That may be the way to get the nomination.....but isn't the way to win a general election.........
September 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmAre we ready to say: "Heck of a Job, Petraeus?"
September 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmKrazny - TP is interested in “dissentâ€â€¦.as long as the “dissenters†agree with TP.
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
I don't have problems with dissent, I have problems with crazy.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWhat happens when Fallon also says we shouldn't leave Iraq?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmdauntless diana: If we are still in Iraq come November, 2008, Donald Duck will beat the g.o.p. nominee. By the way, what about those 22 Grand Old Pervert senate seats in play?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmPray that you go into a coma and wake up in 2049, because that's how long it will take for the rethugs to regain power.
"I DON’T KNOW?
are you freaking serious? we’re mired in a war with no end in sight and the commanding general DOESN’T KNOW if it’s making america safer?
that about says it all, wingnuts. you are defending a failed policy that even the commanding general can’t say is making america more safe."
Ya and if he had said "Yes it does", you wouldn't have believed him.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:55 pmComment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I see, TP called "it"
Again, congrats on your self importance.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmdianawhatever: And the right wing has a problem with what MoveOn.Org called Petraeus?
September 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThe righteous indignation, hypocrisy and arrogance of the Grand Old Perverts is palpable.
isn’t the way to win a general election...
Delusional diana thinks the way to win elections is to lie to the American people, to trick them into supporting an endless, insanely expensive failure in the Middle East.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pm"An Ass-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t"
bwahahhahhaaa brownnosers one and all ...pecking order starts at the rear.......p U
September 12th, 2007 at 5:57 pmWe should get a public session with Admiral Fallon so we can understand how he can see a rapid troop withdrawal from Iraq. I'm liking THIS Admiral Fallon. Hope Webb gets the hearing.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmdauntless diana = valiant venus = mighty aphrodite.
no credibility. nothing to see here. don’t feed the troll.
Comment by lonesomerobot — September 12, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
More like no-nothing narcissus, if you ask me.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmA$$-lickin' chicken$hits would be apropos to describe the entire Republican Party at this point; that is, what's left of it.
September 12th, 2007 at 5:59 pmHow about the Senate get Betrayus back in to testify, under oath this time. It is totally ridiculous that they allowed him to testify without being under oath. It doesn't look like the Democrats grew a spine while they were on vacation. I am very disappointed.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:02 pmA$$-lickin’ chicken$hits would be apropos to describe the entire Republican Party at this point.
That's the truth. When did the GOP morph into the authoritarian Cult of Bush? No wonder all my Republic acquaintances despise that man in the White House. He's destroyed their party.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pm"I don’t have problems with dissent, I have problems with crazy."
Comment by Krazny
Since I agreed with points 2 and 3 of your Iraq strategy, that makes you 2/3 crazy.....well over the legal limit...........
September 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pmYou're living proof why I find "progressives" soooo amusing...
Collective self-importance you see. We're all extremely self-important here! This only helps prove it! Am I right saprasota sam? Did you not partake in the betrayus bashing with us long before he gave his report to the congress? We indeed called 'it' as you snidely put it! He's a phony, a big fat phony with no credibility! Mr. Fallon validated what we've been saying for months!
September 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pmhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/09/oil-tops-80.html
oil tops 80
September 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmSince I agreed with points 2 and 3 of your Iraq strategy, that makes you 2/3 crazy…..well over the legal limit………..
You’re living proof why I find “progressives†soooo amusing…
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
You think Fred Thompson is going to save the GOP in the 2008 election. LOL that makes any sort of agreement with me moot.
You are half dead proof why I find nutters amusing.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmit always seemed in my experience, working closely for several years in emergency preparedness/civil defense programs with navy and army officers that the navy guys were by far the superior intellects in the room and the least likely to be asskissers towards their superior officers.
Like Senator Webb, I would like to hear from Ad. Fallon on these matters
September 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI say stay and lose BIG, rather than withdraw and and admit defeat, aint that right Dubya?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:07 pm"dianawhatever: And the right wing has a problem with what MoveOn.Org called Petraeus?
The righteous indignation, hypocrisy and arrogance of the Grand Old Perverts is palpable."
Comment by progressive4ever
Did you have a point?? Hint: Getting paid by the keystroke is "not a point". Saying that General Petraeus "betrayed us" is something I would fully expect from traitorous collaborators who want the US to lose the war.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmCAP, TP, MoveOver, etc. set out a week before hearing what Petraeus had to say to discredit what they had not yet heard. And I’m supposed to believe this “breaking news†and other TP spun stories because…….??????
Comment by dauntless diana
CAP, TP, Moveon.org and others commented on what they were told, through various administration leaks, what Betrayus would say about Iraq. And, guess what, they were entirely correct. So, your point is? Are you saying that we can't talk about things that the administration leaks, we can only wait until the people actually say it out loud? That's silly.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pmdauntless is none other than our own Mighty Aphrodite going thru all the greek goddess.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pmComment by François — September 12, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Please don't speak for everyone - there is no collective self-importance here. The only self-importance I see here is from yourself and the duantless di.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmFrom the way I see it, there was no "betrayus bashing," only thoughtful criticism of a man who is nothing more than a mouthpeice.
Adm Fallon is also entitled to his opinion.
#80 - You and your fellow progtards elevate "admitting defeat" to a new art form........martinis will now be served on the balcony........
September 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pm"Hi. I'm George W. Bush, and this is my life story:"
"I f_ck things up. Then I take a powder, and make other people clean up my mess."
"That's the way it's always been. So all of a sudden, this is a problem-o?"
September 12th, 2007 at 6:12 pmHah, you wish sammy. We tore betrayus a new one the past few months! You may not be important, but just because you're not doesn't mean the rest of us aren't. Get a little self-confidence man! We got him!
September 12th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWhat happens when Fallon also says we shouldn’t leave Iraq?
Comment by Roger_Roger
He're the problem rr, the "libtards" as your ilk likes to call us, recognize and aplaud truthtelling no matter who is doing the telling. Yes, it's a little more difficult, we have to think and all that, but the upside is that we don't find ourselves tied to a braindead spoiled punk just because he strutted around in a flight suit.
If Fallon says we shouldn't leave Iraq, and has some cogente arguments the "libtards will consider what he says and respond as reason dictates. We don't base our beliefs on what bush tells us to believe.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:14 pm"dauntless is none other than our own Mighty Aphrodite going thru all the greek goddess." Comment by hellinabucket
And who says public education is wasted on the terminally stupid??? TP c*ns*rs have been VERY testy lately..........
September 12th, 2007 at 6:14 pmAnd who says public education is wasted on the terminally stupid??? TP c*ns*rs have been VERY testy lately……….
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Funny that they would want to censor out useless, pointless posts.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI wonder ... will Brit Hume invite Fallon on Fox to present a 20 minute uninterrupted lecture while Hume fellates him below the view of the cameras?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMighty, why do you follow a guidless leader. This has been wandering on for 5 years and they won't even say "We're turning the corner" anymore. There hasn't been any substantial political or economic success in Iraq. Bush chose to have subcontractors hire out of country help instead of Iraqis. Those same subcontractors have been sucking billions without showing improvement. All the while the disbanded army (another in a long line of dipshit moves) grew more resentful and hungry.
You are following a fool.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmdumbass diana - there is no win in Iraq as long as the Iraqi's feel that we are occupiers and they want us to leave. It is a lose lose situation.
We are there because of GWB's ego, and control of ME Oil.
And a new name Douchebag Venus does not make you any smarter. Do something useful and go use up some batteries or something.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMighty, I'm past insulting you. I'm very interested in why you believe what you believe though.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAs long as we're standing on Iraqi oil we're winning, ain't that right Dumbya?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmduantlesswhatever.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmMy point, you stupid twit, is that what Fallon reportedly called Petraeus is far worse than what MoveOn.Org said.
Bush & Cheney have elevated FUBAR to a new art form......I mean we're talkin' Elvis.....Beatles......Hendrix here !
September 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmdiana, you still haven't explained to us why you are the only person on the planet who didn't know in advance that Petraeus would report that the surge is working.
And you have the gall to call others "terminally stupid"? The more you say, the stupider you sound.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThat's why I married a sailor, not a marine.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by Starve-A-Bush_Feed-A-Beaver — September 12, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Now wouldn't that be "Fair and balanced"
Who knows what the admiral may say but I believe it is in our country's best interest to hear him.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pmit's even funnier from someone that has had to use three different identities, krazny.
three identities = absolutely no credibility. dauntless diana/valiant venus/mighty aphrodite is a right-wing parrot, and a dim one at that.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pmMighty, why do you follow a guidless leader.
Comment by hellinabucket — September 12, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Elitist would be why. Did you ever wonder about her constant harping on public education? The calls for the rich to be left alone, etc. It is all elitism, and bush is a great fit. Dude has screwed up everything he has ever done, but comes from a respected and moneyed family. That is all the qualifications she needs. That and she is off her rocker.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pmPutting all of our eggs in one basket is a sound military strategy, ain't that right Dummya?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pmRemember when Cheney said Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the invasion? When Rummy said the Us would be in Iraq for weeks, not months? When Bush said the war was over? No wonder a majority of Americans think Republic leaders are lying sacks of of bullchip.
Rightwingers don't have what it takes to win a war: regular contact with reality. They live in Fantasyland.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pm‘An Ass-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t or Betrayus. Both aren't flattering but I'm going with the Ass-Kissing etc as the more defamitory of the two.
Mighty, at the least, there should be outrage at the same level from the right with the Admiral's comment wouldn't you agree?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pmTwo of the Major strategic mistakes of Bremmers CPA were: debathifcation of the Sunni's and dismantiling the Iraqi Army. The result....most of American casualties were the result of Sunni Insurgents.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pmGen. Petraeus has worked to reverse these disasterous policy errors.
The result: Sunni's are not blowing our troops up, and we are providing them with duffle bags full of cash.
AND: Bush can finally point to some good news in Iraq. Too bad it's four years later and thousands have died.
What? There's a war going on? What's it about? How did it get started? When will it likely end?
There's money to be made? Oh well then that explains it.
Hey, let me promote myself bt calling everyone else stupid!!!!
Great reasoning, trolls.
******************Whatever!
September 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmFunny that they would want to censor out useless, pointless posts.
Comment by Krazny
I thought progs were interested in the marketplace of ideas....oh, that's right - - they HATE markets. So when I agreed with 2 of your 3 Iraq points, your suggestions were "useless and pointless"??
I don't curse or namejack....but I do enjoy exposing "progressive" hypocrisy....(See Krazny photo for example of Hypocrite Extraordinnaire..........)
September 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pmKrazny, you may be right. The problem I have with this administration is that they aren't following the "Golden Rules" of a republican (fiscally responsible, less govt) but have been able to sell the republican lot that all of this conflict is neccessary. They are blowing thru money and have created a bloated govt. while not proving this conflict is essential and using fear instead of facts to push even farther.
I believe that many republicans can't come to the realization that they have been lied to and their party has been hijacked.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pmHelen - A$$ ki$$ing and Chickensh*t are a looooong way from accusing someone of betraying the US.....a long way!!
But, I remember I'm at a site where a pathetic fool named yikes equated ostracization with decapitation....and I can muster a bit of sympathy for the lack of progressive thinking......
Tooodles...................
September 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI don’t curse or namejack….but I do enjoy exposing “progressive†hypocrisy….(See Krazny photo for example of Hypocrite Extraordinnaire……….)
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Anyone have a rant to English dictionary, mine is out of date, and I keep translating this as "Fluffy socks are fun in the Hippo"
A little help please
September 12th, 2007 at 6:36 pmWhen the Gen. doesn't provide the data that supports his claims, after numerous other reports have come out contradicting the general that do have the evidence of how the data was accumulated, then Betrayal is considered.
And when his boss calls him what he did adds even more credence to the reservations many are having about the General's loyalty.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pmIt's to uphold the Constitution of the United States above all others.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHelen - If, and when, (the optimist in me!) you are capable of acknowledging that Iraq is a battle front in the war on Islamic Terrorism (along with Afghanistan, the Phillipines, Europe, Africa and North America) you might develop more understanding of the enemy we face and the incapacity that enemy has to come to a negotiated peace. Dems may lose in '08 unless they can express an understanding of the enemy we face.
'til later..........
September 12th, 2007 at 6:38 pmmickey g; you are being disrespectful of the Beatles, Hendrix, and.....the KING.
mighty moron; are you soooooo afraid to pick ONE screen name and stick to it? I've been posting under one screen name for years.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmNeocons are far far closer to Nazis than traditional conservative Republicans
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September 12th, 2007 at 6:40 pm^...................^.........^.........^...............^.........^
Commie........(D)...Centrist...Con(R).....Neocon.Nazi
Come on Fallon, don't sugar coat it :-)
September 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pm’til later……….
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
I guess we'll be invading the Phillipines, Europe, Africa and North America next. Cool! I knew it was only a matter of time before we'd invade ourselves!
We're Number 1! We're Number 1! We're Number 1! We're Number 1!
September 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pm’til later……….
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
We can't wait.
VV has run off to strangle a few stray cats.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:45 pm#114.....surely you know that the govt's policy in the middle east is the biggest part of the current problems we face now...The biggest problem we have now is this admin.but you knew that.....right?
September 12th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAdmiral Fallon.....your table is ready.....
September 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#114....the battle front (as you say) is in Afgahnistan........Iraq is and was a personal vendetta for the Preznit.........
September 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pmdauntless diana = valiant venus = mighty moron.
In her spare time she feeds puppies to pythons.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:59 pmHellinabucket,
"When the Gen. doesn’t provide the data that supports his claims, after numerous other reports have come out contradicting the general that do have the evidence of how the data was accumulated, then Betrayal is considered."
I guess you weren't really watching then. He had tons of graphs and charts he presented.
September 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmchrist almighty is MA/VV/Megan one paranoid freakshow of an individual.
Jesus, who's not out to get you?
toadles...
September 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI guess you weren’t really watching then. He had tons of graphs and charts he presented.
Comment by Another Chris — September 12, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Graphs are pretty, but when the data has been skewed to overlook acts of violence, like not counting a car bomb as a terrorist attack, or deciding by the entrance wound to the head. It doesn't mean much.
September 12th, 2007 at 7:06 pmAnother Chris; When the big brass pulls out all the tons of graphs and charts, look out. Westmoreland did the same thing in 1967 to "prove" we were winning the war by every measurement. Hell, those charts and graphs Betraeus used were probably Westy's, pulled out of the Pentagon basement and dusted off.
September 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmIraq is a battle front in the war on Islamic Terrorism...
Tell us again, sheepdip diana, how does one wins the hearts and minds of the middle east by murdering 100,000 civilians?
Bush's war on Iraq has killed, even by conservative estimates, about as many civilians as Saddam Hussein did. That's the awful truth.
September 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmPetraeus is an insult to civilization. favoring retrototalitarian methodology, general or not. No phaseout NeoCon job, sir. Do bring in CENTCOM's Fallon. A scolding is in order.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/the_petraeus_insult.html
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September 12th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by Another Chris — September 12, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
PHONY ALERT! PHONY ALERT! PHONY ALERT! PHONY ALERT!
September 12th, 2007 at 7:24 pm"Petraeus Is ‘An Ass-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t,’ ‘I Hate People Like That’"
Priceless!
September 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmUncle Ho: "PETRAEUS 2007 = WESTMORELAND 1967"
Exactly!
Mighty Aphro: "acknowledging that Iraq is a battle front in the war on Islamic Terrorism"
No, it's not a battlefront, it's a recruiting tool for al Qaeda and a strategic trap for our military. It accomplishes nothing. It doesn't make us safer and it adds to the number of terrorists rather than helping the situation.
September 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pmIf the source, who is undoubtedly in the military was named he would get fragged - he is a loyal American doing what a lot of others should be doing...telling the truth. It is the duty of a soldier to tell the truth to their superiors.. and Bushco has made it very clear that he does not like that type...folks who are not yes men get their careers ended.
September 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmArthur C sez:
Actually, you're off by about a factor of ten.
September 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmGet some IRAQUIS to testify fer chrissakes!! Who cares what that ass kissing chicken sh#t says?! OBVIOUSLY Petreaus is only saying what Bush wants him to: it may be like Kabuki but it's also like Karaoke!
September 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pm"dauntless diana = valiant venus = mighty moron.
In her spare time she feeds puppies to pythons."
Comment by Uncle Ho
It's called the food chain........those pythons have to eat something....and they're particularly fond of those ugly little chihuahuas....
September 12th, 2007 at 8:51 pm[sarc-off]
.surely you know that the govt’s policy in the middle east is the biggest part of the current problems we face now…The biggest problem we have now is this admin.but you knew that…..right?
Comment by mudshark — September 12, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
.the battle front (as you say) is in Afgahnistan……..Iraq is and was a personal vendetta for the Preznit………
Comment by mudshark
I will explain this simply so you are not irretrievably confused. Our policy in the Middle East is: purchasing their oil and refusing to let Muslims annihilate our ally Israel.......you have a problem with either one of those?
Battlefronts shift and change during warfare. Given your thoroughly ignorant argument, we would have never had D-Day, gone after the Germans in North Africa or fought the Japanese on various islands in the Pacific......Mercifully, you're not in charge of hunting down and KILLING our enemies.....
September 12th, 2007 at 8:58 pmall rise and hail the chief: geirge w.l bush, the butcher of crawford.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmDear Ripped- With your leftard talking points in #132, my answer to muddshark applies to you......A question, "Colonel". How many AlQeada members were killed last month in Iraq??
(tap...tap....tap.......)
September 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmGen. Petraeus is a brown-noser.
That's the term we used when I served in the military to describe anyone sucking up just for the sake of sucking up to a superior.
In Petraeus' case, he's sucking up, brown-nose and all, to Bush and Cheney, one of whom went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard while the other got five deferments to get out of going to Vietnam.
I actually feel sorry for Gen. Petraeus. Other generals have stood up to Bush and Cheney (and Rumsfeld prior to Gates) and have paid the price for their courage and the honoring of both their oath to our country and the Military Code of Conduct. Gen. Petraeus has chosen to do the opposite. Instead of standing up to these Republican criminals, he's chosen the suck-up route instead...which is a grave disservice to our nation and the soldiers who are serving under him.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmOracle, I am convinced that Petraeus has made a Faust-like deal with the devil (Bush).
He will suffer the pangs of his conscience for the rest of his days. He is too intelligent not to know what he has done to those who serve under him, not to mention the nation.
Joe Klein said today that immediately after Petraeus' infamous reply yesterday, they took a break, and the general got a phone call from the White House. As soon as they returned, he went back to his previous answer in an effort to square it with the boss' orders.
He spent today trying to wriggle out of his words from yesterday that were off script.
September 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pmThe commander in chief wants to listen to his general -- the one he hasn't fired for being too truthful -- and when he goes off message, there is hell to pay. So much for leadership from both men.
Our Boy George overplayed his medal-laden Gen. BetrayUs. BeT was so pathetic as he presented his White House Report that the normally compliant Demo Senators became aggravated. Note to George and Karl: Gen. BeT isn't even a very good shill.
Webb is exactly correct. We need to hear from Generals who will present reports not written in the WH. Call them to testify. Call Iraqis who have been interviewed by NPR. Call the surviving soldiers who wrote the NYTimes Op-Ed. No more flunkies and shills.
September 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmKrazny - TP is interested in “dissentâ€â€¦.as long as the “dissenters†agree with TP.
Comment by dauntless diana — September 12, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
You are still here MA/VV. Dissent away-no one is stopping you. BTW, what is with your Jimmy Carter fetish?
September 12th, 2007 at 10:14 pmJoeFri - My moniker changes as those opposed to dissent get suffer PMS or get crankier...Think of this as community service - can you imagine how boring this place would be with the same old "I HATE George Shrub....and every conservative Judeo-Christian on the PLANET".......
September 12th, 2007 at 10:38 pmMercifully, you’re not in charge of hunting down and KILLING our enemies…..
Comment by dauntless diana
After almost 5 years, who is in charge of that?
What a bunch of losers, you warmongers are...you cant finish wars!!! At least, Hitler got half of Europe in the same period.
Oh, and I love the SWAT intro: Hunt down and kill our enemies... hehehehe
McDonalds culture in action.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:02 pmWow. I haven't visited the TP comment boards in a while, and I see the ever-shrinking pool of wingnut trolls is getting ever more shrill and more desperate-sounding.
Kinda entertaining, actually. You can literally smell the fear of the 28%'ers.
September 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmHey "IsaythatPROGSARECHICKENS*ITS":
You said: "Fallon is a high-ranking general".
The fact that you don't know that Fallon is an >ADMIRAL
September 13th, 2007 at 12:38 amDauntless Diana,, Tell us a joke about your dead child, won't you?
September 13th, 2007 at 3:41 amContinuing the rich tradition of sliming a general that doesn't say what you want him to. Ah, gotta love the hypocrisy, fresh everyday at Think Progress.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:33 am#149 - "Continuing the rich tradition of sliming a general that doesn’t say what you want him to." Comment by DreamCrusher — September 13, 2007 @ 4:33 am
Yeah! It's much better to FIRE the Generals BEFORE they say things like: "the war isn't working like we promised it would!"
Pres. Bush did that, but did one single neo-con right-whiner complain about the Generals being fired for their "expert opinion"?
Nope. Complete silence by the right-whiners.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:26 amFallon has a sailor's mouth. He's a dirty / naughty boy.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:57 amMay the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch our brother Admiral Fallon with His Noodly Appendage!!
Twice.
rAmen. ;o)
Rock on, Admiral - tell it like it IS!!
September 13th, 2007 at 11:25 amWe are so doomed. GW Bush and the jews that control him are going to start another world war to enrich themselves.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amUh huh....Sure. IPS...Yeah. I am sure they have excellent connections inside the U.S. military that would allow to score this scoop....
Just in case anyone here thinks IPS is a legitimate or respected news service, here is a snippet of their "editorial policy:"
"IPS tries to reach people excluded or marginalised by the process of globalisation, notably in countries in Africa, Asia-Pacific and Latin America. The question of exclusion is highlighted, explained and investigated in IPS stories...Through its news service, IPS offers stories containing a variety of sources that provide all relevant sides of an issue, with a unique editorial angle: from the perspective of civil society and of the South ... IPS does not discriminate against sources, but is committed to mainstreaming gender perspectives in its coverage."
Heh! Yeah...Real legitimate and unbiased. Nice try, Satyam. But please don't try to pass off this nonsene as actual journalism....I mean, you DID know what IPS was before you posted this silliness, didn't you????
September 13th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWell, well, well... Maybe there IS hope... Maybe Fallon can lead the coup in over throwing the corrupt bu$h administration, after all, that's what it will take. If only our military leaders would joinly declare our CIC unable to carry on his duties as CIC due to the very legitimate reasons of insanity, traitorius actions, ineptness, lying to the American people and Congress, illegally invading a sovereign nation which posed no threat, illegally using the military for personal gain, etc, etc, etc. C'mon Fallon, lead the charge!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:37 pmChief Fallon, just keep on kicking more Bushnik asses!
September 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#72, Correction: "A$$-lickin’ chicken$hits would be apropos to describe the entire Republican/Democratic Party at this point; that is, what’s left of it."
September 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#137, Daultless Diana:
Diana, please, there you go comparing WWII with the illegal invasion of the sovereign nation of Iraq which posed no threat to us. Let's take a look at that, shall we?
You are probably one of the chicken littles who said, "Well look at Hitler before WWII! Look at all the damage he did and all the countries he invaded before anyone lifted a finger to stop him! Sadaam was doing the same thing, we had to stop him!!" Now, here's the proof that this line of "reasoning" is simply WRONG.
1. Sadaam was not a threat to the U.S. Our spy satellites had him totally mapped out and monitored, our air defenses would constantly and consistently destroy any new radar installations or anti aircraft batteries that he deployed and destroy any aircraft that violated the no-fly zones. Sadaam was totally OWNED by the U.S. military; in NO WAY was he like Hitler in that he was a danger to the surrounding countries OR the U.S. THIS IS AND WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
2. Even though Sadaam proved to be NO THREAT TO ANYONE, we went in and deposed him anyway, so there you go, he WAS REMOVED FROM POWER. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. So why did the U.S. remain? OIL, which was one of the REAL reasons the U.S. invaded in the first place, along with dominance of the region to help shore up the dollar, appease Israel and to be next door to Saudi Arabia and also protect that beautiful OIL as well.
Now, if you are going to use that tired, worn out "front on global terrorism" bit, sorry, but you then have to look at the U.S. as the terrorists, as our actions have caused up to 600,000 Iraqi deaths ON IRAQI SOIL which kinda makes the U.S. the aggressor, and PALES in comparison to 3700 American deaths, does it not? WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS? It pains me to say this as an American who loves his country, but under our "leader" WHO IS MUCH MORE LIKE HITLER THAN SADAAM EVER WAS, I'm afraid it is the naked truth.
With that said, I'm wondering if you are a fundamentalist who believes that Islam is "The Enemy", and the war in Iraq is a "Crusade." After all, that IS what fearless george called it, and after all he IS a good Christian, right? Right. Anyone who thinks dubya is a good Christian is not reading their bible and and is hoplessly LOST AND WILL BURN IN HELL ALONG WITH THE CHARLATANS BU$H, ROBERTSON, ROBERTS, (Fallwell is already there), ETAL.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:03 pm(You DO read your bible, don't you?) Diana, please tell me you're not one of those kooks, I don't like you but I don't want you to burn in hell either!
How do you overcome failure? Get rid of the people who point it out.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pmFallon had it right on. only a bush dick sucker would ever stand before the nation and declare he had not one clue about making this nation safer.
Fallon is the only reason this nation hasn't attacked Iran based on trumped up lies and pretense yet.
Fallon, draw your weapon and shoot the chicken hawk, deserter n thief!
September 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmIt is indeed remarkable how all the left leaning, anti-American, radical extremists manage to find each other on the various internet forums. It never ceases to amaze me. Their intellectual capacity, collectively, to comprehend that which is occurring in their own country, much less geopolitically, is so minute as to be practically non-existent. However they are to be pitied as opposed to castigated for their beliefs. After all they have been pablum fed by the likes of the NY Times, Blumenthal, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, The Boston Globe, Seattle Post, Sarasota H/T (no wait-that is part of the NY Times), Colmes, The Washington Post and others, who are too numerous to mention. And a pox on them.
Thank goodness we have people such as General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker looking out for our interests.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmNikolai, I dislike being the one having to point this out to you but, you are SICK and should seek competent help my friend before it gets completely out of control!
September 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmIt is conspicuous by their rantings that some of the contributors to this thread neglected to either attend or stay awake in their English classes in school. Not only is their grammar and spelling abominable, but they are unable to express themselves without resorting to gutter language. That is indeed sad.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:55 pm162 Ah, got your attention, jorind, I certainly hope you are not a "faux Christian" either. Besides, why do I need help? Is it that I'm simply quoting from the bible inre to what happens to charlatans, or is it the other truths in my post you disagree with?
September 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWhen I was in an (undisclosed) branch of the military, we would refer to individuals in other branches with every form of derogatory verbal abuse at our disposal.
Only anti-American libs could possibly take commonplace rivalry (and yes, anymosity) between military factions and blow it up into some sort of controversy. Name a time when competing generals didn't disagree on the strategy/progress of any U.S. wartime theater.
Only Jim Webb and Think Progress would actually think this is newsworthy.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pmHe is a chicken shit puppet. So what's new with this administration??
September 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmNothing at all. It is the same old sh_t. We as the people of this country have the power to change what is going on, its called PROTESTING, E-MAILING REBUBLICAN REPS. & SENATORS,MAKING PHONE CALLS. I don't know about anyone else....but Im sick of all this sh_t.
I've had this sneaking suspicion it was Fallon that alerted us to the nukes flying to Barksdale. Call it a "hunch."
If so, a real patriot.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:26 pmNot only is their grammar and spelling abominable, but they are unable to express themselves without resorting to gutter language...
September 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThe ONLY solution is to enforce The Plan against the traitorous N.W.O. Zion-Nazi mass-murder, inside-job perpetrators of OKC, 911, 7/7/7 and the phoney War on Terror:- http://jahtruth.net/plan.htm
Time is running out:- http://jahtruth.net/signs.htm
September 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThese seem relevant to the path this discussion has taken...
"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but they can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and endangering the country. It works the same in every country."
--Herman Goerring at the Nuremberg trials
"Patriotism is the highest form of dissent."
September 13th, 2007 at 6:23 pm--Thomas Jefferson
Well, hopefully Patraeus can convince Congress to keep the Army in Iraq and maybe even attack Iran, so that the US Army can be destroyed utterly and so that the US Government will go bankrupt and be unable to pay the mercenaries that keep justice at bay.
The US Army is a criminal organization that engages in torture, murder and rape as a matter of policy. Like their SS forebears, they should be extermined with extreme prejudice.
As for the US Government, they don't even measure up to the Army's standards or morality and are even less valuable. The sooner they are dead, the sooner the rest of the world can breathe easily and look forward to a bright future.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:52 pmWell, I guess he nailed Betrayus.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:13 amDoug@usa.com
Son you are one sick puppy....
September 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#164 I certainly hope you are not a “faux Christian†either.
No, Nikolai, I am not a "Faux Christian", nor any other type of Christian. Sorry to disappoint you. Are you?
I realize I am being redundant but you really should seek professional help.
Mikhail Jorindovsky
September 14th, 2007 at 3:22 pmTo PAO ( Public Affairs Officer) Centcom
Dear Sirs;
I am writing in the hope that you will kindly forward or convey my inquiry to Admiral Fallon. So that he can seek, at his discretion, to either dispel and or confirm a commentary attributed to him regarding General Petraeus.
A commentary tbeing used as an Ideological attack tool to deflect the public outrage as to the attacks by non-politicians on the General, our mission, our troops and our commanders in Iraq and in the greater Terrorist's War on America.
I have no affiliation remotely with any organization and or political group and am only responding in anger as a former Marine and disabled Vietnam Veteran, as is the Admiral.
I have first hand experience with our own people's personal attacks on us in the military using misinformation and myths in a "baby killer intellect" merely to prove some ideologues convenient truths and excuses for why attacks on us in the military where then as they are now, appropriate and deserving.
We lost the war of American hearts and minds, then in Vietnam, as now, by not showing dishonest misinformation as the convenient truths and myths they were and are, when it was and is absolutely provable that what is and or was being said and or spread as absolute fact, was, in fact, false.
The quote that is being used all over the extensive and wide MoveOn.org internet network and now in the main stream media, even at Fox news, as an absolute truth attributed to the Admiral, is, in my humble opinion, an effort to deflect the outrage of criticism about these personal attacks on the General. This is only the first salvo in a growing trend of American on American attacks on our troops as we who served in Vietnam are well aware.
The unnamed source, implied, as if in the Military and or present with the General and Admiral upon their first meetings and his taking over CENTCOM, is quoted as a defense for the attacks on the General, as if the Admiral is in some way agreeable with them.
"In sharp contrast to the lionization of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus's superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting."
Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass-kissing little chickenshit" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say.
That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior."
I seek nothing nor even a response. Yes, I know the Admiral and our Military has issues that are more important on their plate than this. Yet, if this is provable as an untrue commentary used as a lie, to once again attack, those who put the mission above all. I implore the Admiral to consider that his mission, as, I am cinfident, he is well aware, is as much about the military component, with important components of some importance as to the Iraqi and Afghani hearts and minds.
Yet, is it not equally and even more importantly, about the hearts and minds of Americans?
Is it not equally important to focus as much on correcting harmful misinformation, as it is to inform, with and, only with, the truth in dutiful honor and integrity? That common valor, which is at the Corp of our Military and its hollowed honored traditions of winning, in the right way, for right reasons, giving no advantage to our enemies and or those who would, in falsity, have our missions fail. We have already paid for a fair chance at success dearly in hollowed blood, treasure and, perhaps, in the very destiny of our nation's future.
Do deceptions and misinformation that harm our efforts not deserve an effective response if it is truthfully and honestly available.
Respectfully,
September 15th, 2007 at 12:01 amI think Jim Webb rocks. Ron Paul should choose him as running mate.
September 15th, 2007 at 2:59 amTo PAO ( Public Affairs Officer) Centcom
Dear Sirs;
I am writing in hope that you will remove General Petraeus from his post, because he is an ass-kissing little chickenshit.
Respectfully,
September 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThis is the same Fallon who, when a Chinese sub surfaced within the security zone of a US carrier last year, kowtowed to Beijing muttering "We knew you were there, we just didn't want to create an international incident." What a putz.
September 17th, 2007 at 9:37 pmTry to learn something today little Progs;
How North Vietnam Won The War
Bui Tin Interviewed by Stephen Young
http://www.viet-myths.net/buitin.htm
What did the North Vietnamese leadership think of the American antiwar movement? What was the purpose of the Tet Offensive? How could the U.S. have been more successful in fighting the Vietnam War? Bui Tin, a former colonel in the North Vietnamese army, answers these questions in the following excerpts from an interview conducted by Stephen Young, a Minnesota attorney and human-rights activist [in The Wall Street Journal, 3 August 1995]. Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of North Vietnam's army, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. He later became editor of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of Vietnam. He now lives in Paris, where he immigrated after becoming disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism.
Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?
Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said,
"We don't need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out."
Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?
September 18th, 2007 at 4:50 amA: It was essential to our strategy....
I am not an American so my history maybe incorrect but was it not Bush who made a horse a General or was it the other way around?
RB :-)
September 19th, 2007 at 7:04 pmWow, check-out "Winghunter's comment 179. That name should be "Wingnut". He's still fighting to win the war in Vietnam by drawing parallels to Iraq.
60,000+/- American lives sacrificed to another nation's civil war weren't enough for some folks I guess. Sure, we could have won the war in Vietnam ... by never getting involved in the first place. There wouldn't have been or be anti-war movements if there were a justifiable and declared war.
Wingnut's whole premise can be challenged by asking him/her to tell us about the "Domino Theory" lie. Now there IS a parallel. Today's mantra is "fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here". That is just as big a LIE as "the Domino Theory" was back-in-the-day. Both a total crock coined by cowards, for cowards.
September 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 amAll the hub-bub about the MoveOn.org Ad is political gamesmanship. If is correct to criticize the Commander-in-Chief, as Teddy said, then what makes mere Generals immune?
Anyone who is so naive as think that Petraeus can provide a totally objective report on Iraq when his political Commander-in-Chief demands something else, is an idiot.
The "troops" and military men and women to be supported are the 19, 20 and 22 year-olds doing the actual fighting and dying; the buck-Privates, the Corporals and the Sergeants; the Airman First Class, the Ensigns, etc. THOSE are the military which should remain immune to criticisms. But, the career officers who have obvious post-military political aspirations will forever be fair game, like it or not.
The MoveOn.org Ad was not disgusting; what is disgusting are the hypocrites who TALK about supporting the troops but who FAIL to do their own duty to protect them by doing the right things politically, and by failing to support the causes our military fights and dies to protect, such as freedom of speech.
Petraeus has chosen ... volunteered himself to be one of Bush's pawns/puppets. He made the choice, so there is no apology necessary for criticizing his performance.
September 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 am