In Speech Tonight, Bush Will Lay Out Long-Term Plan To Stay In Iraq
In Speech Tonight, Bush Will Lay Out Long-Term Plan To Stay In Iraq
In his “eighth” major Iraq speech, President Bush will tonight endorse the Gen. David Petraeus’s plan to stay 9-10 years in Iraq, prolonging the escalation until next summer. Bush will falsely allege that he supports “redeployment” from Iraq, heralding the strategy as “a way to bring a divided America together.” From excerpts of tonight’s speech:
These Iraqi leaders have asked for an enduring relationship with America. And we are ready to begin building that relationship.
Today, NBC’s Tim Russert added further details about Bush’s “long-term commitment” to Iraq:
At the end of 2008, by the best calculations, there will be anywhere from ninety to 110,000 troops still in Iraq. And if in fact there’s going to be this long term strategic relationship, that number will necessarily have to go down, but it indicates that we are in Iraq for the long, long haul.
Watch it:
So what would Americans have to commit to Bush’s long-term plan? Today, the Center for American Progress offered a “conservative projection,” suggesting that “we could well suffer between 8,220 and 11,167 additional deaths” and potentially 59-80,000 wounded.
Furthermore, despite three different scenarios on troop levels (70,000, 100,000, and 130,000), each adds up to well over $1 trillion in tax dollars spent on the war by FY2017.
As House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) stated, “The Bush-Petraeus plan of 130,000 Americans in Iraq for 10 more years is not a reduction in our footprint; it is an insult to the intelligence of the American people to call that a new direction.”
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never ending war.
and they are just getting started, especially with iran.
the next president is going to spend all of his or her term just fixing this iraq war mess.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:25 pmIf Bush sticks to this, he’s stuck a knife in the heart of the Republican Party for a long time to come. There is no possible way that the American public is signing on for a decade of occupation in Iraq. Hell, there’s no way the Iraqis are signing on.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:27 pmin another 3-4 years all the Iraqis will either be dead or fled, so why stay longer than that? How?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:28 pmAnd he’ll get booed off the stage!
September 13th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThis is Bush’s Kiss of Death to the GOP – the “final nail” in it’s coffin. RIP-GOP!
September 13th, 2007 at 6:29 pmFrom the Mission Accomplished speech:
“Our coalition will stay until our work is done. And then we will leave — and we will leave behind a free Iraq. ”
Liar!
The work will never be done, because you never wanted it to be done. Because then you couldn’t justify staying.
This is going to go over real well in the Arab world. The one thing they never wanted was a permanent US footprint in the Middle East. It brought us enormous grief.
I just can’t believe this.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pmChris from Maine….for sure – not to mention everything else that Bush’s has “broken” in this country over the last 6 years. I don’t think we’ll see a Republican president again for decades at this rate.
New GOP Scandal Du Jour – John McHenry, R-NC and his potential ties to Feeney and Gonzales and Drake who were murdered in their home in Florida two weeks ago. I thought it smelled “fishy” and now we find that Drake was running a gay prostitution business in Virginia…just a cab’s drive from Washington, DC. More to come on this, stay tuned.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:31 pmBush seeks common ground — yeah, agree with him. That’s common ground in Bush Bizarro World.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhen has Bush ever sought common ground? He pretty much sticks to the my way or the highway philosophy.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:35 pmRemember when the White House said we’d be in Iraq for weeks, not months? America, you’ve been played. Our President lies to us to trick his citizens into supporting his stupid, endless, insanely expensive war, and American pays the price for decades to come.
Consequences to the nation: $1 trillion; 100,000 dead & wounded; impoverished Treasury; loss of military and political capital abroad.
Consequences to Bush: comfy retirement in Crawford.
What an stupid, soulless piece of crap that man is.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:35 pmBush just breathing is an insult to the American people.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:36 pmLet me just say in code: NFW !!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 6:36 pmHow are those bridges in Minnesota doing? Buddy could you spare an extra trillion?
A 104 acre US Embassy with 5,000 employees on land that is owned by the Us Government. A deal between one of the Hunt boys in Dallas and the Kurds, and a major team member of the Axis of Evil on the border. Ten years? Try in-perpetuity. Well at least the administration has been consistent. Consistently misleading. W is for Wrecker, thank someone’s god I didn’t vote for him and what has become his sorry assed tragic legacy.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:36 pmBush just breathing is an insult to the American people.
Comment by bilbobaggins
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You’re pretty mean for a Hobbit.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI think bush will do about as well, as Brittany Spears did at the MTV awards.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:38 pmMaybe he should wear a bikini?
how about clips of the reactions of Gergen, McCaskill [sic], Sessions. It was pretty interesting…
September 13th, 2007 at 6:39 pmJoin the Army/Marines – spend 1/3 of your career in Iraq – Yep, that’s going to go over real well.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:40 pm“9-10 year commitment”
Republicans jump for joy!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pmAnd still there are those who say we should never wish death upon anyone.I beg to differ.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pmFor a fight for the very survival of our way of life, shouldn’t we have to sacrifice something more besides our freedoms and our rights? Maybe forgo a game of golf or a dinner or a movie?
It seems unfair to me that a few farm boys are the only ones who really sacrificing something – the ones who do all the killing and the dying, I mean.
Well, off to dinner at Applebees and then a movie. See ya all later.
USA USA USA
September 13th, 2007 at 6:42 pmkaren, indeed it was. Gergen was just incredulous.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI think the best part will be when he retires and can’t go out in public because people will just laugh at him. I feel like Sylvester’s son, hand me a paper bag, “Oh Father”
September 13th, 2007 at 6:42 pmYeah, that’s the ticket, let’s have shame outs. Everyone show up to the National Mall and wear a paper bag on our heads.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:45 pmI DARE YOU TO ANSWER THIS, CONS
Let’s imagine that 4+years ago, you went to your boss or partners or board of directors with a plan for a project.
Four years later, it turns out:
- your project was based upon knowingly falsified data
- your project has gone 10,000 % over its budget
- your project has gotten over 3,100 of your employees killed and 26,000 injured
- your project has no realistic end in sight
- your project has exposed your company to virtually unlimited financial liability
- your project has brought your company to impending bankruptcy.
Against that backdrop, ask yourself this –
September 13th, 2007 at 6:45 pmif this was you,
HOW FIRED WOULD YOU BE?
What better way to give Muslims more reason to dislike the U.S. than a never-ending American military presence in the Middle East?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:46 pmou’re pretty mean for a Hobbit.
Comment by Ringo — September 13, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
You’re pretty dumb, even for a drummer.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWithout 70% of Americans? You wanna bet?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:47 pmAnd, remember, part of the sales pitch was “he’ll be our first CEO president!”
September 13th, 2007 at 6:48 pm2008 g.o.p. campaign slogan: “Nine More Years, Nine More Years. We’ll see how well that plays in red state America.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:49 pmBut at least the Democrats are in charge of Congress now, so they will put a stop to this madness like they were elected to do. Right?
Right?
Anyone?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:50 pm[...]
the strategy as “a way to bring a divided America together.â€
so those who disagree or doubt the plan can be labelled
September 13th, 2007 at 6:50 pmas “divisive” and “unamerican”…
yay…
Thats a lot of friedman units.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:51 pmBut at least the Democrats are in charge of Congress now, so with the exception of being able to override chympatico vetoes, how are they going to be able to stop this Chief Executator Officer?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI DARE YOU TO ANSWER THIS, CONS
Let’s imagine that 4+years ago, you went to your boss or partners or board of directors with a plan for a project.
Four years later, it turns out:
- your project was based upon knowingly falsified data
- your project has gone 10,000 % over its budget
- your project has gotten over 3,100 of your employees killed and 26,000 injured
- your project has no realistic end in sight
- your project has exposed your company to virtually unlimited financial liability
- your project has brought your company to impending bankruptcy.
Against that backdrop, ask yourself this -
if this was you,
HOW FIRED WOULD YOU BE?
Comment by Your Conscience — September 13, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
This sounds almost identical to Hillary Clintons Whitewater land deal.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:52 pmpete592: We already have one in Saudi Arabia.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:53 pmI guess it’s a done deal. It doesn’t matter who you vote for. It doesn’t matter what the majority wants or believes, the military-industrial complex (to which you can add corporations & the MSM) owns you.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:53 pmpete592: and Kuwait, but there are no holy moslem cities there, just oil.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAs House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) stated, “The Bush-Petraeus plan of 130,000 Americans in Iraq for 10 more years is not a reduction in our footprint; it is an insult to the intelligence of the American people to call that a new direction.â€
Then DO something, already.
I am so sick of the political-play. I want action.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAs House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) stated, “[...] it is an insult to the intelligence of the American people to call that a new direction.â€
then do something about it, nancy…
September 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmdo what you KNOW you’ve got to do.
.
I will not watch the liar-in-chief tonight. If I did, I’d be throwing a brick through the picture screen. Gotta save my tv.
Robert, I think it would be half their career at this point, IF they survive.
Bush just breathing is an insult to the American people- comment by bilbobaggins
September 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmNot just to the American people, but the ENTIRE human race.
This sounds almost identical to Hillary Clintons Whitewater land deal.
Comment by Chubbytherepublican — September 13, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Aside from all the dead and wounded, and the bankrupt treasury.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI also want something to be done from the congress and really anyone to change the course… still waiting.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmThis sounds almost identical to Hillary Clintons Whitewater land deal.
Comment by Chubbytherepublican
Lamest response ever. Get your ‘hearing’ checked and look for your brain. How again does the worst national Foriegn policy blunder compare to Hillary again?
BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA What a retard.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmSo basically the deal is .. after 911 we should have given Saudi Arabia and maybe Pakistan the WWII treatment… and many people were looking at this … we even had Michael Moore making a movie pointing this out… people all over the Internet digging up the links to Saudi Arabia… we had Saudi Royals on TV saying we couldnt blame Saudi Arabia… and the Saudi friends here in America stopped that line of thought dead cold by burying us into Iraq…. and we are going to stay there until we forget about Saudi Arabia and 911…
I guess those people that jumped out of those buildings on 911 to their deaths can just piss off… Saudis can get away with ANYTHING with people on the INSIDE of America protecting them…
Where is the Manhattan Project to remove the Saudi dagger at our backs by removing our need for their oil? Where are the sanctions on Saudis who are STILL FUNDING ALQEADA and sending killers into Iraq my the larget numbers to kill American soldiers?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:56 pm#
pete592: We already have one in Saudi Arabia.
Comment by thejokesonus — September 13, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
I thought we closed that base down in 2003? Because the Saudis saw it as a symbol of their subservience to the US.
Yeah, a permanent presence is gonna go over real well.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:57 pm“As your President I have placed the lives of your children, our security as a Nation, and our treasury in the hands of an insolvent Iraqi Government. They now control our destiny and we are held hostage. Isn’t that a grand idea?”
September 13th, 2007 at 6:57 pmHaven’t a clue Gerald. I do think that a long term military presence was the goal all along. Part of the miss really works to Bush’s advantage. As long as Iraq is unstable we need US troops there. What a freaking joke.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:58 pmChubby: Why is the republic sense of humor so lame? Do you guys also do karioke? Stand up? Seriously, why are the g.o.p ers so dour?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:58 pmSince Bush is President for only 16 more months, then has Hillary Clinton made an agreement with Bush to keep troops in Iraq for her 4 to 8 years in office? There should have to be referendum vote for 10 years in Iraq.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI can feel it now… I can sense …
Improvement in Iraq
Holy Bolton! We are saved. Praise be!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:00 pmAs long as Iraq is unstable we need US troops there. What a freaking joke.
Comment by Krazny — September 13, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Which is why they are propping up the weak puppet Malaki. A strong leader would foil everything.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:00 pm“As your President I have placed the lives of your children, our security as a Nation, and our treasury in the hands of an insolvent Iraqi Government. They now control our destiny and we are held hostage. Isn’t that a grand idea?â€
Comment by George W. Bush — September 13, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
It’s one of your very best, and we thank you, Brother. We knew we could count on you, and all of those campaign videos I made for you have paid off handsomely. Your support of Al Qaeda will not be soon forgotten.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:01 pmLamest response ever. Get your ‘hearing’ checked and look for your brain. How again does the worst national Foriegn policy blunder compare to Hillary again?
BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA What a retard.
Comment by Heterodoxy — September 13, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
No Homodonky that was funny. Your responce is THE lamest ever. If you cant do better than this you are not ready for prime time….which we are in, son.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:02 pmCONGRESS MUST VOTE ON THIS AND SEE IF IT BECOMES LAW!!!!!!!
Throw this shit right back in their face. Make GOP vote on it.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:03 pmNo Homodonky that was funny. Your responce is THE lamest ever. If you cant do better than this you are not ready for prime time….which we are in, son.
Comment by Chubbytherepublican — September 13, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Not you, son.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:03 pmChubby: Why is the republic sense of humor so lame? Do you guys also do karioke? Stand up? Seriously, why are the g.o.p ers so dour?
Comment by thejokesonus — September 13, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
We do all of those things and much more……….the comedy might be a little over you head at this time but just keep at it some day you will be able to keep up.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:04 pmtroqua: Check out globalsecurity.org for info on our joint airbase in Saudi Arabia Taif.
Why do you think al queda/bin laden are pissed off, because “they hate our freedoms”?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pmYou can find President Bush’s November 2005 “National Strategy for Victory in Iraq” and other past Bush declarations that “we’re making progress” at:
September 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pm“The Iraq Document Center.”
Chubbytherepublican, My bad, I thought I was talking with someone had two brain cells left in their head.
How again does it compare to hillary? Comedy 101 there has to be a grain of truth for there to be a comedy correlation.
Dumbass
September 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pmI thought Congress and the Senate were won by the Democrats? Where is the mandate? The radical shift? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Where is Pelosi’s leadership? Even when you guys win you lose. Scoreboard again.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:06 pmOK, Chubby, since you think you’re funny, maybe you can explain to us how this debacle in Iraq is similar to Hillary Clinton’s involvement in the Whitewater land deal. I’m sure you have a reason for having made the camparison.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:07 pmLeave it to Chubby theretardedrepuke to not bat an eye on how poorly his failure in chief has performed. HISTORICAL COLLOSSAL FAILURE and he yawns,. Speaks volumes to his devoid soul.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:08 pmNow’s the chance to say “enough” and cut off war funding. Cripple and humiliate Bush and score big points with the American people.
But of course, since the Democrats are spineless cowards I really don’t expect much of anything. Just a little more complaining before bending over and taking it. Jeez.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:08 pmIs this even legal? The Iraq War resolution does not cover a decade-long occupation. The purpose of it was to “get Saddam.” Well, mission accomplished, so we’re done. And Bush doesn’t have the legal standing to continue the occupation one more day. O yeah, well as long as the Congress keeps funding it, we’ll be there.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:08 pmThat would be the crux of it Troqua. A strong leader would unite Iraq, and the American troops would leave. Bush doesn’t want that.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:09 pmBush is itching to start WWIII by bombing Iran.
He’ll do the Texas two-step tonight. Two steps forward toward war with Iran, one step back pretending to withdraw troops.
He’s hell bent to match the viciousness of his grandfather’s idol, Adolf.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:10 pmNancy Pelosi has no room to complain. The Democrats had a chance to end this war and they blew it. Let’s see how many times they’ll vote to keep funding this baby.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:10 pmChubby: “the comedy might be a little over you head at this time but just keep at it some day you will be able to keep up.”
Right. It’s over our heads. I’m sure you’ll explain that this is why Fox’s attempt at conservative humor bombed so badly and so damn quickly.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:10 pmDon’t forget Syria in that Mix Dermot. Either we will bomb them, or perhaps the Israelis will start a war.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWOW, 1.5 trillion for a country that hates us, with 70% unemployment, with a non-working government and a non working infrastructure!
Heckuva Job!
Now all we gotta do is payback China!
Awe ficking SUM!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:12 pm!!! !!! !!! *** Bush is cuting and running *** !!! !!! !!!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:12 pmLoved that Fox comedy show; especially the canned laughter.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:12 pmThe UN mandate runs out in December. If the Iraqi government renews it, the decision of how long we stay will still remain with a future president and a different congress. As much as Bush would like for us to stay in Iraq for another 10 years, it is not his decision to make.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:13 pmYou know what’s funny and a little sick: We will still be in Iraq in November, 2008 and 22 gop seats are up in the Senate. Thank you george, you have guaranteed a Democratic majority for the next 40 years.
Got Herbert Hoover?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:15 pmAlejandro: “Nancy Pelosi has no room to complain. The Democrats had a chance to end this war and they blew it. Let’s see how many times they’ll vote to keep funding this baby.”
They’ve attempted to end this thing a number of times. Each time it was either blocked by repubs or vetoed.
What many Dems fear is that Bush is so cynical and political that he would actually put soldiers in danger rather than shut down operations in the event of a funding refusal. That is one big reason why they’re being cautious and I don’t blame them. The press has already shown that they will portray any Democratic action in the worst way possible while spinning hero tales about Bush and his cronies.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:15 pmBush is pretty much signing the GOP death warrant tonight.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI’m speachless…How long will the American people live under a dictator?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:16 pmIsrael attacks Syria, the US attacks Iran.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:16 pmEvery great nation and empire has been brought down by the hubris of its leaders. In each instance the nation sought to extend its reach beyond its capabilities. We all now know that Bush sought to create a permanent presence in the Middle East. This had little to do with WMD, 9/11 or any other imminent threat to the United States. This was the Bush mandate from God to spread the democracy of the City on the Hill across the world.
Osama knew that the United States would overreact when he attacked the WTC. He hoped that we would become bogged down in Afghanistan as had the Soviet Union. George did one better. He invaded Iraq. He has squandered our military resources and our treasury in a long term war of attrition that we can not win without a major mobilization of the US military (think draft/WWII) and major diplomatic initiative.
Bush is a brilliant politician as are many Republicans. However, they all are arrogant, small minded people when it comes to foreign policy and governance. Their hubris will certainly lead to the destruction of the United States. We no longer have the time to wait for the next election. It is time for the people to seize the government from these war criminals.
Please note that Bin Laden supported Kerry in the last election. His video came out just in time to give Bush a little boost in the polls. In September, the nation had to review the conflict with the Betrayus/Chocker report. Bin Laden again releases a video praising liberal, democratic ideas and Marxism.
When – OH WHEN – MY COUNTRY WILL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BIN LADEN HAS LED US BY THE NOSE TO DO HIS BIDDING.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:17 pmBush and Bin Laden are just part of the the Saudi Wahabi plans to takeover the middle east using our troops to do it.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:19 pmWho in the Democratic party are you people going to get to make all you dreams come true? WHO! Nancy=Failure…..Harry=WHO? I listened to Hillary the other day and here all I heard Caaaackle, squaaaaaak, squaaaaaaaak, Quack Quakc eeeeeeek blah blah yak yak yak squeeeeeel squeeeek puuuuuuuk puuuuuuk poop.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:20 pmRon Paul is the only real anti-war candidate at this point
September 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pmIMPEACH DICK(HEAD) “SHOTGUN” CHAINSAW CHENEY!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pmIMPEACH GW BOTCH NEXT!!
But of course, since the Democrats are spineless cowards I really don’t expect much of anything. Just a little more complaining before bending over and taking it. Jeez.
Comment by All-American Hero
Someone from INSIDE America sent Anthrax to the democrats a few years back in the mail remember?
If the democrats force a pull out of Iraq can they feel assured that someone from INSIDE America wont do another such terrorist attack? Which of coarse would be blamed on the democrats for pulling out of Iraq? The democrats wont stand up to that… they are either complicit or afraid of how far SOME in America have proven they are willing to go to do whatever they damn well please…
Personally I dont accept black mail … call their damn bluff.. let them do another terrorist attack if they want but pull out of Iraq anyway… but the democrats dont have the balls…. do they? They know they wont stand up to those who do the attack and so they would look like it was all their fault…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:22 pmRemember back in 06 when the military brought Bush the options for Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/19/AR2006111901249.html
You know, Go Big, Go Long, Go Home. Well, Bush intends do all three. He went big with the surge, he intends to go long with bases, and once his failed policy is permanently entrenched, he will go home to Texas.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:23 pmRon Paul is anti-war, but is too extreme in way to many other regards.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:23 pmWhen the lame timetable budget was vetoed, they didn’t have to draft new legislation to suit him. They can keep sending him budgets to veto and he can keep vetoing them.
They didn’t have to fund the surge and they didn’t have to keep funding the occupation. Anyone using this line is being dishonest.
Bull.
So here are your reasons the Democrats continue to fund this war:
1. Bush will be mean to the troops.
2. Bush will say mean things about Democrats in the press and make Democrats look bad.
In response to #1 – BULL. He would be required by law to shut down operations. If the operation is not funded, it cannot continue.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:24 pmIn response to #2 – BULL. This is a tired old excuse Dems use all the time. If the Dems could end the funding this will make them look GOOD. Bush will look bad. It will be the complete opposite of what you claim.
Ron Paul isn’t extreme, he speaks eloquently against our history of imperialist foreign policy. He wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve, an admirable goal considering that it has single handedly brought the US economy to its knees. There’s nothing extreme about any of that.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:25 pmIf you want to talk about extreme – talk about Bush or Hilary – Hilary talks to veteran groups about how we need to be ‘preparing for the next war’. She’s in the pocket of AIPAC and vociferously supports Israel’s most recent warring against Lebanon. If anyone is extreme she is.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:26 pmNever ending war for never ending peace.
Is d*ckwad Zell Miller going to apologize for his crack about how the Democrats said Iraq was an “occupation”?
-GSD
September 13th, 2007 at 7:27 pmRon Paul is anti-war, but is too extreme in way to many other regards.
Comment by Krazny
Prove it… not opinions.. proof.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:28 pmNo one else has a chance to win AND would end the war. Not Barack, not Edwards, certainly not Hillary. All the other things you worry about, Ron Paul can’t or won’t do anything about as president.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:28 pmHilary is extreme. She’s extremely supportive of Israel’s attack on Lebanon, and she speaks to veterans groups about ‘preparing for the next war’
September 13th, 2007 at 7:28 pmHilary is a war democrat, just like Lyndon Johnson.
Sane Americans don’t believe Bush because Bush said it best:
“Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again”
Who can forget that in 2003 the State Department promised the US would not occupy Iraq?
Negroponte Says Coalition Aspires to Liberate, Not Occupy, Iraq
U.S. ambassador’s remarks to U.N. Security Council
U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte, in a March 27 statement to the U.N. Security Council, outlined the five “guiding principles” of the United States as it looks to the future of Iraq.
“First, we will demonstrate to the people of Iraq and the world that the United States and the coalition aspire to liberate, not to occupy,” Negroponte said.
http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/Archive/2003/Oct/09-995290.html
Bush has been leaking the information that there would be a reduction in troops since the war started.
In 2005 we learned from Newsweek:
Aug. 8, 2005 issue – Donald Rumsfeld doesn’t like long-term occupations. He’s always made that clear. After U.S. forces took Baghdad, the Defense secretary had plans to reduce the U.S. presence in Iraq to 40,000 troops by the fall of 2003. Then the insurgency struck.
Now Rumsfeld is quietly moving toward his original goal—three years late. The Pentagon has developed a detailed plan in recent months to scale down the U.S. troop presence in Iraq to about 80,000 by mid-2006 and down to 40,000 to 60,000 troops by the end of that year, according to two Pentagon officials involved in the planning who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of their work. Their account squares with a British memo leaked in mid-July. “Emerging U.S. plans assume that 14 out of 18 provinces could be handed over to Iraqi control by early 2006, allowing a reduction in overall [U.S. and Coalition forces] from 176,000 down to 66,000,” says the Ministry of Defense memo.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8770418/site/newsweek/
September 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pmMore sorry salesmanship. News flash for Dumbya: no matter how colorfully you package shit, it still stinks.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pmRemember when the US complained about Syria occupying Lebanon?
Now Bush wants to do the exact same thing in Iraq.
Lying sack of sh*t.
-GSD
September 13th, 2007 at 7:29 pmtroqua: Check out globalsecurity.org for info on our joint airbase in Saudi Arabia Taif.
I wasn’t doubting, I was asking. Thanks.
Why do you think al queda/bin laden are pissed off, because “they hate our freedoms�
uhm, no.
Comment by thejokesonus — September 13, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
September 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmRemember when the US complained about Syria occupying Lebanon?
Remember how no one in Congress complained about Israel invading Lebanon. Don’t look to the Democrats to avoid a widening war. They’re in the pocket of the armaments manufacturers and AIPAC, just like the Repugs.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pm“Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled againâ€
Comment by Prabhata — September 13, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Very good, I like.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pmHe’ll make this announcement tonight, then tomorrow they roll out Cheney to start making the case for bombing Iran.
This is going from worse to worser every minute.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pmRon Paul is the only real anti-war candidate at this point
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
i’ve seen enough… you show your true colors with that…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:32 pm…
They’re in the pocket of the armaments manufacturers and AIPAC, just like the Repugs.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Murtha is a Democrat.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pmi’ve seen enough… you show your true colors with that…
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Comment by katy
Ah the Democrat Stalinistas rear their ugly heads. Yes I’m a Dem who is going to vote for a Republican BECAUSE Paul is the ONLY one who is really against the war. The Democrats are lying. AND I HAVE TOO MUCH INTEGRITY TO VOTE FOR LIARS just because they are Democrats, unlike yourself.
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September 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pmMurtha is a Democrat.
Comment by Buck Cherry
Murtha has rolled over so many times he’s got tread marks on his back.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:35 pmUnlike Hilary, Ron Paul voted AGAINST the war
September 13th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThe real story here of course is that the Bush\Iraq critics were correct all along. We repeatedly stated that Bush intended to have a permanent presence in Iraq, and all along Bush and the neocon trolls denied it.
Not they’ve been proven wrong, and we’ve been proven right.
:|
I’m getting tired of always being right.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:38 pmYes I’m a Dem who is going to vote for a Republican…
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
then you are no dem…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmand i had you pegged as a concern troll since you got here,
as “dermot”, anyway…
now i know… thanks…
.
Yes I’m a Dem who is going to vote for a Republican BECAUSE Paul is the ONLY one who is really against the war.
Comment by Dermot #100
…you’re a “remorse Repulsivescum”…
…you voted for Bush and he fu*ked you…
…that racist ron paul is nothing but another al Cracker…
…talking Constitution(al) bullsh*t…
…what you MEAN is…
…you’re a WHITE man who ONLY votes for WHITE men…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI agree Ron Paul is the only candidate that is not full of BS and does not have a money trail leading to some corporate master. So why has he been completely marginalized by the MSM and is vitrually nonexistent in the polls?. WTF is going in in this country?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThat’s a pretty bold and powerful statement Nancy.
Were you planning to serve the POS in chief some tea next ?
I know, you’re planning to unplug his Christmas tree lights . . .
September 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmUnlike Hilary and Obama, Ron Paul has clearly stated he will NOT attack Iran, or Pakistan.
He has clearly stated, unlike HIlary and Obama, that the only reason Iran is developing nuclear capability is because of our imperialist moves.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmUnlike Hilary, Ron Paul voted AGAINST the war
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
You’ve never considered Kucinich?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:40 pmAnd he’ll get booed off the stage!
Comment by razzle
Not likely. They won’t let anyone within a half mile of Bush who hasn’t drank their kool-aid. I would love to see Bush actually face the public some day. He would be in for a rude awakening.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:41 pmThere are many democrats and independents who are now moving to the Ron Paul camp. It is about to move from the internet into the public theater.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:41 pmBush and the neocons were LYING when they said they were not going to establish a permanent presence in Iraq.
LYING.
And now the President is about to admit that on national television, while simultaneously giving two thirds of the country, plus all the young men and women who have to go die now, the bird.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:41 pmBUSH SPEECH TONIGHT IS SETTING YOU UP FOR NUKING IRAN AND A DIRTY BOMB ATTACK HERE IN THE US – TOMORROW.
LOOSE NUKES FLYING OVER THE US LAST WEEK – 5 OR 6 OF THEM?
PATREUS TESTIMONY SCHEDULED FOR 9/11
BUSH SPEECH ON THURSDAY NIGHT.
CHENEY SCHEDULED TO BE AT CENTCOM IN TAMPA TOMORROW TO RUN THE SHOW – JUST LIKE 9/11.
DO THE MATH.
CHRIS MATTHEWS IS TALKING ABOUT A NUCLEAR BOMB GOING OFF IN THE US ON HIS SHOW – RIGHT NOW!
GET IT?
THE ENEMY IS WITHIN – BLACKMAILED BY ISRAEL.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI’m getting tired of always being right.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 13, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
That’s so right on. Every time we’ve challenged the veracity of what they say, we’ve been called tin foil beanie brats, and yet, every single challenge has come to fruition.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI’ve considered and abandoned Kucinich. I don’t trust him based on his behavior the last go round. He completely caved to the DLC. I don’t trust him to stand for anything when push comes to shove.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:42 pmYou’re pretty mean for a Hobbit.
Comment by Ringo
Sorry ringo, I’m a truthful hobbit. And if you don’t like it, eat shit and die!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:43 pm“Ron Paul is anti-war, but is too extreme in way to many other regards.”
Comment by Krazny
Gerald:
“Prove it… not opinions.. proof.”
As a libertarian, Ron Paul would get rid of public schools, libraries, Social Security, Medicare and all forms of what we call the “social safety net.” He would eliminate all government agencies which are there to regulate corporations or business in any way and, of course, he would eliminate the EPA. Now, you might not think this stuff is radical, but I do.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:43 pmOn topic…
…the Jews and Bushite scum…
…are ready to take you into phase II…
…of the greatest con job ever perpetrated…
…and frankly…
…YOU DESERVE IT…
…Tony Blankey was on c-Span this morning…
…spreading his Bushite propaganda…
…we need some “protesters” to wait outside of EVERY venue the Bushites are spreading their venom in…
…and the Bushites should be put on notice…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:45 pmCHRIS MATTHEWS IS TALKING ABOUT A NUCLEAR BOMB GOING OFF IN THE US ON HIS SHOW – RIGHT NOW!
Did anyone catch the story on the internet (mainstream wouldn’t touch it) about the 4 billion dollar Put option that was contracted for September 21. The put contract is betting that by 9/21 the value of the internet will have dropped by 50% approx.
The buzz is that someone with 4 billion knows that something is going to happen before then.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:45 pmDermont: “Unlike Hilary, Ron Paul voted AGAINST the war”
Hillary didn’t vote for the war. She voted for a war resolution that specified war would be a last resort. The Bush administration didn’t live up to the resolution and the media has not held them accountable for that.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:45 pmRipper
That’s crap what you say about Paul. You are making assumptions. he’s not a libertarian first of all.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmRipper
Hilary voted for the war no matter how you parse it, and she still has not apologized for doing so. She’s a war democrat speaking out of both sides of her mouth.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmRon Paul will NEVER be an issue to anyone except those in his district. The next President will be one of the following….Hillary, Edwards, Rudy, Fred or Mitt. PERIOD! Question is…..Dems….who will you pick to make your dreams come true, Remember your therapeutic Bush bashing will end soon, what are you going to do?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI thought we closed that base down in 2003? Because the Saudis saw it as a symbol of their subservience to the US.
Yeah, a permanent presence is gonna go over real well.
Comment by troqua
Bush closed it shortly after 911. One of Osama’s objections to the United States was that we had a base in Saudi Arabia. So, Bush caved to Osama’s wishes and closed the base. Actually, he probably closed the base because the Saudis told him to because they didn’t want to get in the middle of the mess that was George Bush.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pmThats not crap Dermot. Maybe before you come in here stumping for Paul, you should actually trying listening to what he says.
Then maybe you wouldn’t look so stupid.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:48 pmThere are many democrats and independents who are now moving to the Ron Paul camp. It is about to move from the internet into the public theater.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
you ron paul supporters are definitely on a mission, that’s for sure…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:48 pmand now we know that it’s YOUR mission…
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Ron Paul will NEVER be an issue to anyone except those in his district. The next President will be one of the following….Hillary, Edwards, Rudy, Fred or Mitt. PERIOD! Question is…..Dems….who will you pick to make your dreams come true, Remember your therapeutic Bush bashing will end soon, what are you going to do?
Comment by Buck Cherry
You don’t know what you are talking about. Obivously you are not from Texas.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:48 pmyou ron paul supporters are definitely on a mission, that’s for sure…
and now we know that it’s YOUR mission…
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Comment by katy
My mission, unlike Hilary’s or Obama’s, is to end this war.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pmAh the Democrat Stalinistas rear their ugly heads. Yes I’m a Dem who is going to vote for a Republican BECAUSE Paul is the ONLY one who is really against the war. The Democrats are lying. AND I HAVE TOO MUCH INTEGRITY TO VOTE FOR LIARS just because they are Democrats, unlike yourself.
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Comment by Dermot
ALL of use that have voted democratic the last 7 years need to think about this… think about the things we have said about the neocons over the past 7 years supporting party before reality before truth before country… Are the democrats now going to do the same thing? Put democrats or whatever… non neocons in Congress… but put Ron Paul in the white house sense he is the one who has had the balls to keep calling these people out year after year….Kucunich is a good guy also… but really… will republicans support him? At least the left is flexible enough to CONSIDER someone from the republicans who isnt a neocon…. right?
September 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pmDermot, you are very very boring, and more than a little dense.
He wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve, an admirable goal considering that it has single handedly brought the US economy to its knees. There’s nothing extreme about any of that.
Shall the US be the only major nation with no central bank? Shall we turn control of our currency over to some other nation’s bank? Who would you prefer, the Chinese or the Dutch? Or shall we just turn it over to the private sector, like decontrolling energy — after all, what could go wreong? That Enron thing worked out OK, didn’t it?
You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Ron Paul is a fraud.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pmRon Paul SHOULD be an issue, out of Hillary, Edwards, Rudy, Fred or Mitt he is the only one the does not answer to a corporate master.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pmHillary, Edwards, Rudy, Fred or Mitt. PERIOD!
Comment by Buck Cherry — September 13, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Hilary’s being ruled out as we speak. As for Fred or Mitt? The only thing they’ll ever do in the West Wing is guest star.
Better get used to saying “President Obama”. He’s positioned quite well for this one, and he doesn’t make too many mistakes.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:52 pm…you’re a WHITE man who ONLY votes for WHITE men…
Comment by big papa
Sorry big pappa.. I have enjoyed many of your posts over the years but that sounded pretty racist to me… I have always voted democrat and will be voting Ron Paul this time… because you can tell he isnt lieing if you bother to listen.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI’m getting tired of always being right.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 13, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
BARKBEATLE I and many others said long ago this war would be comparable to Korea even to the point that other countries are using the US military to test tactics just like the Chinese and Russians did in Korea testing their aircraft. Harry and Nancy know what time it is….they know what Bush says is going to be reality. If you will notice they are struggling to find a way to agree with out agreeing.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:54 pmArthur C
You are very boring too. And Ron Paul is not a fraud. But Hilary is. While she pretends to talk about how terrible the Iraq war is, she goes in front of veterans groups and talks about preparing for the next war. if anyone is a fraud she is.
And you are very boring as well as blinded by ideology. So much for your integrity.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:54 pmMy mission, unlike Hilary’s or Obama’s, is to end this war.
Comment by Dermot #128
…take a walk you phony Republicunt…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pmObama vs Ron Paul
Ron Paul would chew him up and spit him out on the issues. All Obama does is talk vaguely about integrity and goodness. He has nothing to say on the issues. He waffles about Iraq. Talks about ‘beginning to end the war” He never wants to get to far away from his corporate and military sponsors on the issues.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:56 pmAt least the left is flexible enough to CONSIDER someone from the republicans who isnt a neocon…. right?
Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 13, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Wrong. At least not me. I wouldn’t vote for a republican after the last 7 years.
I don’t care if he’s preaching peace and crapping dandylions. The republicans are a disaster, and there isn’t one of them I’d pull the lever for.
Paul is right on the war, but he’s mad with regards to our government and the care for the poor and even the middle class. He’d dismantle our systems and create a glut of impoverished and desolate just through his domestic policies. He’s got the right idea on the war, and he’d clean it up overseas of that I am sure. But the mess he’d give us here at home would be unnacceptable.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:57 pmtake a walk you phony Republicunt…
Comment by big papa
Up yours big ahole. You take a walk. Who the hell do you think you are? You just one more phoney anti-war person who hopes Hilary will save you. She’s going to sell your ass out. She’ll probably bring in the draft so she can get enough forces to invade Afghanistan in a big way.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:58 pmBetter get used to saying “President Obamaâ€. He’s positioned quite well for this one, and he doesn’t make too many mistakes.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 13, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
I agree with Bartlebee…No One should count Obama Out. He is smart, rhetorically gifted, and able to focus on the “heart of the matter” with clarity and conviction. Anyone who leaves Harvard Law for the Projects on the south side of Chicago has my attention.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:58 pmPaul is right on the war, but he’s mad with regards to our government and the care for the poor and even the middle class. He’d dismantle our systems and create a glut of impoverished and desolate just through his domestic policies. He’s got the right idea on the war, and he’d clean it up overseas of that I am sure. But the mess he’d give us here at home would be unnacceptable.
Bartlebee where do you come up with this paranoid stuff about Paul. Too bad you don’t turn your paranoid sights on Hilary and Obama as they take money from AIPAC to pretend to be against the war.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI have enjoyed many of your posts over the years but that sounded pretty racist to me…
Comment by Gerald Gibson #133
Gerald,
…who’s fooling who here?
…Ron Paul is a Texas racist Republican…
…people who say they want a REAL change in government…
…but overlook Barack Obama, John Edwards, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich…
…to vote for the racist Ron Paul…
…is a racist, and an undercover Republican…
…so there you go!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmAs a libertarian, Ron Paul would get rid of public schools, libraries, Social Security, Medicare and all forms of what we call the “social safety net.†He would eliminate all government agencies which are there to regulate corporations or business in any way and, of course, he would eliminate the EPA. Now, you might not think this stuff is radical, but I do.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
All of those things you listed are IMPOSSIBLE…. Ron Paul has stated over and over he will work within the powers of the Constitution… for example… he can NOT shut down public schools because the federal government isnt the one that runs the public schools… get it? The federal Dept of Education does NOT educate your kids… they take your money via taxes and uses that power to manipulate you and me with it… the system in the federal government does not work the way you state… he can not just shut things down… IMPOSSIBLE… he would have to act as a LEADER and LEAD people to do what is best… and because he is a REASONABLE truth teller he will have to change his positions as he talks to people about what is DOABLE and not… as he said he wants to make changes that do NOT hurt people along the way….try READING his words or watching the hundreds of videos of him… you are talking from ignorance….
September 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmDermot: “That’s crap what you say about Paul. You are making assumptions. he’s not a libertarian first of all.”
Dermot, he ran for Senate as a libertarian in the 90’s. In an interview on the Thom Hartman Show, he said straight out that he agreed with getting rid of those things. He freely admits to being a libertarian.
Dermot: “Hilary voted for the war no matter how you parse it, and she still has not apologized for doing so. She’s a war democrat speaking out of both sides of her mouth.”
OK, how many times am I going to have to point out the facts here? I’ve done it about a thousand times. The resolution called for Bush to let UN inspections run their course, for Bush to go back for a second resolution from the UN and authorized war to be used as a last resort if those two things failed. It also called for Bush to provide congress, in writing, the proof that Saddam was involved in the 9-11 attack.
Bush kicked out the inspectors, didn’t go back to the U.N. and invaded, breaking the terms of the resolution – and he’s never provided the second part either.
THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED! You can complain that they shouldn’t have believed the lying SOB of a president, but they were NOT “voting for war.”
September 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmDermot, I can’t help but notice that you can’t defend Paul’s plan to privatize the Fed. Because you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. You don’t even know what the Fed does, do you?
Ron Paul IS a fraud. And you’re his kind of sucker.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI am upset because I am in the middle of adjusting my meds. I hope to be feeling better tomorrow when I leave the hospital.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmComment by Dermot #139
…wrong again al Cracker!
September 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmre: Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 13, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
“… I guess those people that jumped out of those buildings on 911 to their deaths can just piss off…”
We cannot IGNORE that those THREE buildings were brought down with EXPLOSIVES according to scientists like Issac Newton and people who can solve television murder mysteries.
For those of us who can miss the beginning of Columbo and still figure out the who the murderer is, we simply find it amazing that people can believe the official lie, when we have PICTURES of pyroclastic clouds which could only be produced by the heat of volcanos before the introduction of EXPLOSIVES!
The WTC was only 1400 feet high, and there are mountains much higher, yet building materials dropped off of those mountains, does not throw up pyroclastic clouds when it falls and collides, so how the hell could it happen with the WTC and why the hell has NOBODY been able to do that “magical” feat before nor after 9-11?
If people think the “criminals” behind 9-11 are in Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, HOW do you explain as to how these “terrorists” got access to the WTC buildings to place the EXPLOSIVES that created those huge pyroclastic clouds of INTACT building materials in seconds?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmBig Ahole, Ron Paul a racist? Give one example. Obviously you are an Obama fan.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmRon Paul is pretty smart, but he is definitely a Libertatian, running as a Republican. That makes him a phony and a hypocrite in my book, besides the obvious lunacy of Libertarianism.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pmBig Ahole Papa – take your racist faux progressive comments elsewhere. serious people are talking here.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pmbush will lie. the media will suck it up. kids will die. china will get richer.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pmTalks about ‘beginning to end the war†He never wants to get to far away from his corporate and military sponsors on the issues.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
Not hardly. You’ll find Obama is a calm, cool head in a debate and is easily able to take on Paul and come out looking far more presidential.
And by the way. Whats WRONG with military sponsors or supporting the military financially? Whats wrong with the idea of federal contracting? Like any system, when corruption comes in then there are problems, but don’t mistake that for a condemnation of the process. I for one am all for a strong military and a strong commercial military research and development group. It not only makes sure we have the biggest, baddest weaponary in the world thus making our enemies think twice before starting crap with us, it also stimulates our economy, creating jobs and developing industry.
We should sink as much money into the military as we can, just so we have the best.
And then we should never use it, unless abolutely necessary.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:02 pmGerald, even if your suspicions are correct and he would “work within government,” his philosophy is profoundly counter to federal government and you know it. I’m tired of the American people hiring people to do the work of civil government who do not believe in civil government. The republicans have proven that politicians who don’t believe in goverment will find ways to make government NOT work.
Corporations have too much political power already. The last thing we need is a damn libertarian giving them anything that’s left. A libertarian president would be the best thing possible for big corporations. That’s just one reason why I could never support a libertarian – they’re tools for corporate power.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pmYou don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Ron Paul is a fraud.
Comment by Arthur C.
Funny how now the left talk just like neocons… straw men everywhere…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pmBARKBEATLE I and many others said long ago this war would be comparable to Korea even to the point that other countries are using the US military to test tactics just like the Chinese and Russians did in Korea testing their aircraft.
Comment by Chubbytherepublican — September 13, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Yea tubby? Well you weren’t saying it in here, and you weren’t saying it to me. Because the only thing the republicans in here were saying when we said they were going to stay in Iraq long term, was “nuh uhhh”.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pmRon Paul a racist? Give one example
Regarding D.C., Ron Paul said: “I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
What a racist a-hole.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:05 pmBartlebee where do you come up with this paranoid stuff about Paul.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
uhhh, by listening to him talk.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmComment by Dermot #151
…you’re fooling no one…
…you Ron Paul loving racist (John Bircher)…
…REAL Liberal/Progressives…
…would NEVER THINKof voting for a Repulsivescum conned’selfservative…
…al Cracker…
…ESPECIALLY one from TEXASSS!
…who’s fooling whom Dermatitis?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmSee Dermot, when you listen to the words coming out of his mouth, you’ll know what his positions are.
Sounds zany I know, but try it sometime. It really works.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:07 pmI’mgoing to ASSUME that Gerald Gibson…
…has been TROLL jacked…
…there’s a rash of that going on around here lately…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmIf people think the “criminals†behind 9-11 are in Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, HOW do you explain as to how these “terrorists†got access to the WTC buildings to place the EXPLOSIVES that created those huge pyroclastic clouds of INTACT building materials in seconds?
Comment by criticalthinker
I totally understand what you mean… I see no other explanation other than demolitions for those buildings … HOWEVER that does NOT mean that Saudis didnt fly the planes and that SAUDIS fund Al QEADA to this day… did they get some help via explosives in the buildings? It appears so but I have no proof… I have yet to hear Osama say he didnt do it…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmpumpkinhead doesnt seem comfortable to be the bearer of this news.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmRon Paul = Lyndon LaRouche, rewarmed
Blecch.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmIts not really all that complicated when you really think about it. All you have to do is ask yourself if you want our corporate masters to continue to run the county. If you do, go ahead and support Hillary, Edwards, Rudy, Fred or Mitt, take your pick, the results will be the same in the long run. Ron Paul may not be perfect, but is the only one that does not appear to be blowing smoke up everyones ass.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmok, nancy, if you actually BELIEVE what you say, then CUT OFF FUNDING FOR THE WAR! you already failed once, don’t fail us again!
September 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmRon Paul is known as Dr. No.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:09 pmHere he is speaking on the Federal Reserve
http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/One-of-My-Heroes–Ron-Paul–Blasts-The-Federal-Reserve-15994.aspx
Corporations have too much political power already. The last thing we need is a damn libertarian giving them anything that’s left. A libertarian president would be the best thing possible for big corporations. That’s just one reason why I could never support a libertarian – they’re tools for corporate power.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
We are where we are because DEMOCRATS also sell their votes… I want a truth teller … I dont care if he is with the SATAN party… if he tells the truth he can be REASONED with…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:10 pmRegarding D.C., Ron Paul said: “I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.â€
What a racist a-hole.
Comment by Arthur C
Already debunked… dont make neocon mistakes…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:11 pmRon Paul may not be perfect, but is the only one that does not appear to be blowing smoke up everyones ass.
Comment by Point Blank — September 13, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Thats because he’s shoving it down their throats.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:12 pmComment by Gerald Gibson #168
…prove it…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmWe should sink as much money into the military as we can, just so we have the best.
And then we should never use it, unless abolutely necessary.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — September 13, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Well, the Founders would disagree vehemently. they knew, and we nopw know, conclusively, that a stong military and standing army is too much of a temptation to those who have no morals, no values except materialism, no goals except authoritarian wage slavery , and that they (republicans) will do whatever it takes to get that weaponry and those soldiers to do their bidding. This has been conclusively proven in the last 6-7 years, starting with the theft of the ‘00 election, then 9/11, then Iraq. We have invested far too much in military and war-profiteering, and far too little in infrastucture, disease prevention, poverty eradication worldwide, and education, and all by design. It is a myth to think that in the 21st century peace comes from war. Death and destruction come from war; looting and raping the taxpayer comes from war; totalitarianism comes from war. War is human failure; the biggest, baddest weapons are human failure, spending 400 billion dollars annually on war-machinery is an abject failure in every way, and the Founders knew it from the beginning. terrorism? We brought in on ourselves, by having the biggest, baddest weapons, and using them and the threat of them to bully smaller countries into giving up their resources and their cultures. Our technology has gotten away from us, we do not have the moral strength or belief in our ideals to resist the temptation. The proof is right there in Iraq: the biggest, baddest bully on the block is getting his ass kicked, soundly, by the already-defeated, broke, poor, backwards victim.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmRon Paul: That Dude is Wack
September 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmHow about Ru Paul for President?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmEverybody can be happy…
I’mgoing to ASSUME that Gerald Gibson…
…has been TROLL jacked…
…there’s a rash of that going on around here lately…
Comment by big papa
NO I have not… I have been on this site for MONTHS saying the very same things… infact for YEARS I have been asking where are the truth tellers and why are the democrats such cowards…. I have voted democrat my entire adult life… yes I grewup rightwinger… but I believe in TRUTH first… it has cost me in my life to be truthful when others have not and elbowed me to the side… but I dont trust liars to decide the future of my childrens lives… in the next few years they will be within the age for a draft…. I dont trust the lieing democrats … they may mean well but they have become entrenched into the “system”
September 13th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWho the f*ck does this President think he is?
These Iraqi leaders have asked for an enduring relationship with America. And we are ready to begin building that relationship.
Where does he get off? The majority of Americans want us out of Iraq. Obviously this means nothing to him. If Iraqi leaders want us there long term (VERY doubtful), hey, no problem.
I guess it finally explains those permanent bases they’ve been building in Iraq.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:14 pmAlready debunked… — Gerald Gibson
Lie. Claiming “a staff member wrote that, not me, though my name was on it” is horse crap. You wouldn’t let Hillary get away with garbage like that, would you? Why the double standard?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:17 pmAll of you Ron Paul (John Birchers)…
…this is NOT C-Span…
…any REAL Democratic Progressive/Liberals…
…are paying attention…
…and wouldn’t give a REPULSIVESCUM (or Independent Repulsivescum remorser)…
…the time of day…
…let alone our vote…
…Ron Paul is piece of sh*t…
…like ALL the other pieces in his TREASONOUS Party…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pmWell, the Founders would disagree vehemently. they knew, and we nopw know, conclusively, that a stong military and standing army is too much of a temptation to those who have no morals, no values except materialism, no goals except authoritarian wage slaver
Comment by ronjazz — September 13, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
The founding fathers were living in a world where it took months for the British to launch a campaign and cross the ocean bringing with them wet powder, sick, overworked and demoralized soldiers, and once they got here, the battles were a simple matter of rallying locals with their guns to form makeshift and temporary armies, who often returned home to their wives for support after a hard day of skirmishes.
They were NOT living in a world where the massive Russo\Chinese alliance with a million boots on the ground ready assault troops supported by massive air and sea forces could be brought to bear on us in any theatre in the world in a matter of days.
No sir. I do NOT beleive in a weak military, or the idea that if we disarm entirely or keep a weak or token military that we will be ok. Like it or not, the US is a superpower, and that makes us a target. I believe in walking softly, but carrying a really big stick.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pm*
it’s L – Y – I – N – G … LYING …
past tense of L I E … lying…
…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pmSorry big pappa I could not find the link I wanted from I think NYT but here is several people talking about it… see if you can trace it down from here…
Ron Paul
September 13th, 2007 at 8:19 pmGerald: “We are where we are because DEMOCRATS also sell their votes”
If that’s your complaint, the only way to fix that problem is public funding of all federal elections. But Ron Paul would never agree to that. No offense, but libertarian philosophy is simply a stealth way for corporations to grab even more political power than they already have. That’s why the entire modern libertarian movement was begun by wealthy industrialists in the 70’s – as a way to promote corporate political power and as a way to fool working class Americans into believing that their interests were the same as the wealthy corporate oligarghy. It’s a big scam and I’m buying none of it.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:20 pmGerald Gibson sez:
Osama bin Laden issued a statement denying any role in the 9/11 attacks on Sunday, September 16th, 2001.
Of course, after this denial, he allegedly made a video on which he confessed to the attacks on November 9th (after, apparently, gaining approximately 50 pounds in less than a month). This video was subsequently “found” in Jalalabad and made public on December 13th.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:20 pmI guess it finally explains those permanent bases they’ve been building …
Comment by W.Clements — September 13, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
i heard something new to me today…
the bases are built on or close to the mapped oil reserves…
imagine that…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pm…
Lie. Claiming “a staff member wrote that, not me, though my name was on it†is horse crap. You wouldn’t let Hillary get away with garbage like that, would you? Why the double standard?
Comment by Arthur C
If it is true who cares who said it? Hillary said she intended bush not to just go off to war after her vote… I have no reason to doubt that… but she has NOT acted as a LEADER and tried to convince people to THINK about what they are doing by showing in DETAIL how American actions over the past several decades ping ponged back onto us on 911…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pmWho the f*ck does this President think he is?
Comment by W.Clements — September 13, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
A brilliant leader who’s clairvoyance will manifest its self far into the future. I hope you have the chance to enjoy it if only you can keep from ceasing from the fetal position every time you see his face.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pmRon Paul is the only real anti-war candidate at this point
Comment by Dermot
Oh really? I didn’t know that Dennis Kucinich had dropped out of the presidential race. I heard him on Ed Schultz show the other day. God I wish that more people could hear this man. If they could, Kucinich would be the front runner right now. He is the only real anti-war candidate and he is the only candidate who would give us single payer health. He hired people to research expanding Medicare to all Americans and found that it would cost this country 2/3 less to insure everyone in the country under Medicare and that was assuming increasing payments to Doctors to make up for Bush trying to kill Medicare by starving the Doctors to the point where they would not take Medicare patients.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pmI dont trust the lieing democrats
Comment by Gerald Gibson #174
…andIdon’t blame you…
…but NO Repulsivescum is the answer…
…they’re ALL racist al Crackers…
…and YOU (”yes I grewup rightwinger”)…
…know better than anyone…
…What makes you distrust Obama?
…or Gravel?
…or Kucinich?
…or Edwards?
…non DLC’ers…
…in favor of a Repulsivescum TEXAN?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pmNo sir. I do NOT beleive in a weak military, or the idea that if we disarm entirely or keep a weak or token military that we will be ok. Like it or not, the US is a superpower, and that makes us a target. I believe in walking softly, but carrying a really big stick.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I agree a strong DEFENSIVE military is what is needed…and no more milking the American people on never ending contracts… we should be able to shoot down ICBMs by now after all the money that has been spent… we should be untouchable because of a strong defensive military…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:24 pmComment by ronjazz — September 13, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
Great rant ronjazz.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:24 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
I agree in public funding… however having a leader set and example of truthfullness would also help win the “hearts and minds” of people that would try to hold on to their old ways….
September 13th, 2007 at 8:25 pmkaty sez:
Interesting, katy…have a link?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:26 pmKucinich
He is a GOOD guy, BUT I want to see America pulled TOGETHER and I dont believe conservatives could respect him… and I DO think liberals CAN respect Ron Paul….
September 13th, 2007 at 8:27 pmwe should be able to shoot down ICBMs by now after all the money that has been spent…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 13, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
We should be able to catch them, gift wrap em and shoot em back by now.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:27 pmMy mission, unlike Hilary’s or Obama’s, is to end this war.
Comment by Dermot
If you were on a mission to end the war and not to continue to kill our government, you would be supporting Dennis Kucinich not Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a libertarian who would dearly love to kill all government agencies. He thinks that the private sector is our god. And we all know how well that’s working out under Bush.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:28 pmThe only thing Ron Paul is shoving down peoples throats is the truth. I may not agree with everything he stands for but I know that he is speaking from conviction and there isn’t anybody pulling his strings. Now, how may of you can say that about the Dem and Repub candidates?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:28 pmWe should be able to catch them, gift wrap em and shoot em back by now.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
No shit!
September 13th, 2007 at 8:28 pmAt first the excuse for invading and occupying Iraq was for WMD.
Then it was because of Saddam’s ties to Al Qaeda.
Then it was to establish democracy.
Then when the government couldn’t get organized it was just to establish security and stability.
Now it’s to establish an “enduring relationship” with whatever government is there.
Why doesn’t Bush just admit it’s now a U.S. colony?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:29 pmIf you were on a mission to end the war and not to continue to kill our government, you would be supporting Dennis Kucinich not Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a libertarian who would dearly love to kill all government agencies. He thinks that the private sector is our god. And we all know how well that’s working out under Bush.
Comment by bilbogaggins
THINK!!! Out of control private sector AND out of control federal government are BOTH bad… WE THE PEOPLE need to clean the slate… lets stop going back and forth until we fly off into an abyss…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:30 pmClearly the militaries technology approach is all wrong though. Trying to shoot them down Gerald is the obvious way to stop them to be sure, but its a bad idea. They should look more towards disarming them as they come in.
There should be a way to knock out the electronics that detonate the warhead. The warheads do not detonate on impact for obvious reasons (wouldn’t want to drop one accidentally, ha ha), so disarming them as the passed through some sort of electronics sheild or something, or a pulse wave maybe, would be the approach I’d think that would yeild more success.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:31 pmbilbogaggins sez:
You can thank our “liberal media” for that. As far as they’re concerned, the only Democratic candidates of any importance are Clinton, Obama, and Edwards…seeming unconcerned that, given their influence, their assessment is self-fulfilling.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pmIf it is true who cares who said it? — Comment by Gerald Gibson
So you’re saying Paul’s statement is true, that “we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
Thanks for being frank, scumbag, at least now I know just what kind of a pig you are, and the secret of Paul’s appeal.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pmThe only thing Ron Paul is shoving down peoples throats is the truth.
Comment by Point Blank — September 13, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
He’s absolutely right about the war and the constitutional illegality of it. But he’s way out there on domestic social programs and spending, and I just can’t get behind him because of that.
Plus he’s a stinkin republican.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:33 pmPlus he’s a stinkin republican.
Plus he’s crazy as a loon.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThe only thing Ron Paul is shoving down peoples throats is the truth. I may not agree with everything he stands for but I know that he is speaking from conviction…
Comment by Point Blank #195
…and Barack Obama, Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, or Mike Gravel…
…AREN’T telling the truth?
…what kind of TRUTH have YOU been seeing (or hearing)?
….obviously you have some “peripheral” issues…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:36 pmRon Paul may be telling the truth about what is going on in the “war,” but so is Mike Gravel. The difference is Gravel is a Democrat and Ron Paul is a Libertarian, he just happens to have an “R” after his name.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:37 pmThere should be a way to knock out the electronics that detonate the warhead. The warheads do not detonate on impact for obvious reasons (wouldn’t want to drop one accidentally, ha ha), so disarming them as the passed through some sort of electronics sheild or something, or a pulse wave maybe, would be the approach I’d think that would yeild more success.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Sounds good to me… lets stop the $$$ from designing the systems and let the scientists do it … and get it done… they seemed to do well at making nuclear bombs…they could probably do anything if PROFIT is removed from the equation…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:37 pmYou can go here:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
to see how Ron Paul votes. Then make up your mind if this is the kind of person you want as your President.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:38 pmEven if democracy and stability and prosperity eventually flourishes in Iraq, it would not be a victory.
All the death, maiming, destruction, divisiveness, and promotion of war as being a valid tool of government has all kinds of negative long-term consequences.
But the pro-war people are so obsessed with the goal that they don’t see the side-effects.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:38 pmno link, trip… was hoping someone here had some info…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:38 pmheard it on randi’s show today…
…
Plus he’s crazy as a loon.
Comment by Arthur C.
I would love to watch Paul and Gravel in a debate. Those two do have some good points but they are nuts. At least it would bring some levity to the process.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:38 pmThanks for being frank, scumbag, at least now I know just what kind of a pig you are, and the secret of Paul’s appeal.
Comment by Arthur C.
Why are you acting like a neocon?
YOU said Ron Paul said he didnt right it… that someone that worked for him did and that person does not work for him any longer… hell that was many years ago when he took care of that….
AND I said that if it is true then who cares if Ron Paul is the one who said it…
AND YOU came back with trying to say I said that blacks are scum?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:39 pmRon Paul may be telling the truth about what is going on in the “war,†but so is Mike Gravel. The difference is Gravel is a Democrat and Ron Paul is a Libertarian, he just happens to have an “R†after his name.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Mike Gravel is a real hero because of his past actions… HOWEVER I and many others think he is too…. emotional? To be president… I donated money to him because I want to see him keep going to the debates… BUT I think he would be better ripping ass in the Senate…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:41 pmChimpy speech in T-minus-20 minutes.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:41 pmOur soldiers are there to breed apparently.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:43 pm…and Barack Obama, Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, or Mike Gravel…
…AREN’T telling the truth?
…what kind of TRUTH have YOU been seeing (or hearing)?
….obviously you have some “peripheral†issues…
Comment by big papa
Barrack has done pretty well… however he has shown that he is willing to play the game in the senate.. so no to Obama for me… Edwards was just like the rest until he left the senate…. so no to him as well… Kucinich is great except I cant see him getting support from the vast majority of democrats let along independants or republicans… I wish he could get his way with the health care system in one way or the other however…. Gravel another good guy … but too emotionall..
September 13th, 2007 at 8:44 pmSounds good to me… lets stop the $$$ from designing the systems and let the scientists do it …
Comment by Gerald Gibson — September 13, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Too late for that. All the good scientists are working for the major DoD contractors. Besides. With the current system, your tax dollars pay for it, and that money is funneled back into the domestic economy in the form of countless jobs and salaries.
Turn it into a government project, and it will immediately get bogged down and nothing will ever get developed, and the money will just stay in the government and with the government employees.
Federal contracting is not in and of itself a bad thing. Its something that been going on since the dawn of governments. The evil comes when men think war is a way to make more money. Like Bush and Cheney.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:45 pmYOU said Ron Paul said he didnt right it… that someone that worked for him did and that person does not work for
I said no such thing! I acknowledged that’s what HE said, and added that it’s a lame-ass excuse that doesn’t wash.
Anyway, this continual pimping for Ron Paul is boring me to death. You drones are as boring as those LaRouche idiots from years back.
You never got around to defending Paul’s program for privatizing currency. Get back to me after you’ve actually figured out what the Fed actually does, OK kiddo? Until then, shut yer whiny maw.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:48 pmIn his speech to the nation Thursday night, President Bush unveiled the latest official White House talking point on Iraq. Destined for regurgitation from reliable Republican mouthpieces is “Return on Success.” That business sounding jargon from our first – and failed – MBA president is designed to reassure the American people that after our troops fight them there, they can come home here.
For the complete list of RNC-approved Iraq sound bites, see:
September 13th, 2007 at 8:51 pm“‘Return on Success’ Added to Official GOP Iraq Talking Points.”
looking around randi’s site for a link… no luck, as yet…
found this though (off thread-topic, but relavent to conversation):
Obama says that if he is elected he will remove all troops from Iraq by the end of 2008. Here is a summary of the Barack Obama Iraq Plan.
September 13th, 2007 at 8:51 pm…
Comment by Gerald Gibson #218
Okay Gerald,
Let’s put our cards on the table…
…this is how I perceive your underlying assessment of Dems…
…Obama has done pretty well, makes sense and even seems like he could bring about change….
…but he’s a Black man, and there’sNO WAY in hell racist America will elect a Black man president…
…Dennis Kucinich is GREAT! But he’s short, with big ears and doesn’t quite “LOOK” presidential…
..and Gravel and Edwards can stand as you’ve called ‘em…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:52 pmYou never got around to defending Paul’s program for privatizing currency. Get back to me after you’ve actually figured out what the Fed actually does, OK kiddo? Until then, shut yer whiny maw.
Comment by Arthur C.
OK neocon….
maybe this is why people end up voting for the green party or whatever… loud mouthed idiots on both sides talking like they are gods gift to thinking people…
I have looked into the Federal Reserve as much as I can given my limited knowledge of large scale financials… from what I hear there is so much insanity in the system with “secret” hedge funds etc… that MOST humans dont have a real grasp on what is going on… I suppose you count yourself among those few?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:52 pmTonight[...Bush Will Lay Out Long-Term Plan To Stay In Iraq ].
September 13th, 2007 at 8:53 pmThis war supposed to be a quick one, and a ‘cakewalk’..little bit over 30 billion dollars and Iraqi oil will pay for this war,we were told…
Unfortunatley it didn’t happen this way.
We hear now voices talking about surgical strike against Iran..and in few days,Iran will submit to our demands.
The same Neocons who pushed for this war,and pushing now for another conflict with Iran put the least sacrifice and the least price payed of all involved.
Starting this war,and toppling Saddam was the easiest part….getting out of Iraqi war is the hardest one to do and the longest….
…but he’s a Black man, and there’sNO WAY in hell racist America will elect a Black man president…
…Dennis Kucinich is GREAT! But he’s short, with big ears and doesn’t quite “LOOK†presidential…
..and Gravel and Edwards can stand as you’ve called ‘em…
Comment by big papa —
Why the strawmen?
Like Gravel pointed out Obama works with lobbyists… as well as his other lack of standing up to those who are forcing America to act against itself… He did very good in the debate in Chicago calling out those that dont talk about going after Osama… but he is acting like someone that wants to meld into the system … not change it… Black? Why are you so racist against me?
Kucinich is dogged by democrats constantly… remember when he held up the Constitution in one of the debates and made the point that the democrats MUST stand up to the president on Iraq and impeach … and NO ONE would hold up their hand to support him… well maybe Gravel I couldnt see him… BUT Obama did NOT…..he is a player…
September 13th, 2007 at 8:56 pmA brilliant leader who’s clairvoyance will manifest its self far into the future. I hope you have the chance to enjoy it if only you can keep from ceasing from the fetal position every time you see his face.
Comment by Buck Cherry — September 13, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Damn! Another Dennis Miller wannabe tryin’ out his material.
Yer good, son. Yer ready fer tha Half Hour News Hr, and don’t let anyone tell ya otherwise! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA… whew… thanx fer tha laffs!
September 13th, 2007 at 8:58 pmLook out, Tweety is on Olbermann right now and is actually saying mean things about Chimpy. Could Tweety be trying to regain some integrity?
September 13th, 2007 at 8:59 pmLawd have mercy, I am thankful to see so many kindred spirits out there. Now let’s go see what Dumbya has to say… speech in five minutes – I can’t wait (not!!) ;-)
September 13th, 2007 at 8:59 pmI have looked into the Federal Reserve as much as I can given my limited knowledge… MOST humans dont have a real grasp on what is going on… I suppose you count yourself among those few? — Comment by Gerald Gibson
Sure, I have a basic understanding of financial markets. What’s your point? Other than the one on your dunce cap, I mean.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:00 pmalso…
MUST READ:
62 Democratic senators
September 13th, 2007 at 9:00 pmBy Brent Budowsky
September 13, 2007
The resounding Democratic victory in the 2006 Senate campaign creates a historic anomaly in which the Senate Democratic Caucus could increase to more than 60 senators, with historic implications for American politics and all three branches of government.
[...]
http://thehill.com/op-eds/62-democratic-senators-2007-09-13.html
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Look out, Tweety is on Olbermann right now and is actually saying mean things about Chimpy. Could Tweety be trying to regain some integrity?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Tweety has shown his game clearly… he treats each side like crap then kisses their ass so they will come on his show… over and over round and round…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pmSure, I have a basic understanding of financial markets. What’s your point? Other than the one on your dunce cap, I mean.
Comment by Arthur C.
What a dick.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pmIt’s “lie”, not “lay”.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI have looked into the Federal Reserve as much as I can given my limited knowledge of large scale financials… from what I hear there is so much insanity in the system with “secret†hedge funds etc… that MOST humans dont have a real grasp on what is going on…
Comment by Gerald Gibson #221
…strong HINTS about the integrity of the Fed:
…no regulation of mega-hedge funds…
…ONCE AGAIN (a’ la S&L scandal)…
…bailing out the banking/mortgage industry after they made criminal loans…
…printing BILLIONS to the detriment of the American dollar…
…already at a 27 year low…
…trade deficit thru the roof, and China’s Yuan pegged to the dollar…
…which makes China’s export as low as those of the U.S.
…advantage China, who’ll make up their currency weaknesses in volume…
…we’re in a helluva fix, and Bushiva and L’il Dick (the bi*ches who got us intothis mess)…
…are STILL here…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:03 pmwake me when Dumb F*ck tells the truth
September 13th, 2007 at 9:06 pmbut he is acting like someone that wants to meld into the system … not change it… Black? Why are you so racist against me?
BUT Obama did NOT…..he is a player…
Comment by Gerald Gibson #223
…you play a swell “reverse victimization” game Gerald…
…but it doesn’t work…
…you’ve had too many Sunday and holiday gatherings amongst the less tolerant among us…
…you and I both know what the truth is…
..as for Obama’s “player” status…
…you know it’s the ONLY chance he’s got…
…to at least give the impression of beingable to be “mainstream”…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:11 pm“Return on Success” – Chimpy’s guiding principal on troop levels.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pm“Economic, political, and security engagement that extends beyond my presidency.”
September 13th, 2007 at 9:13 pmblah, blah Bushit have you any…
…credibility?
..no sir, no sir…
…only mendacity…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:14 pm“If we were to pull out….extremists will have nuclear weapons.’
September 13th, 2007 at 9:15 pmDear Mr. Bush,
Please…eat some sh*t and die…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:16 pm…and give some to Cheney too!
September 13th, 2007 at 9:16 pmone thing’s for sure –
September 13th, 2007 at 9:17 pmhe’s been practicing this speech for many more days than
since the non-patraeus report was given…
If Bush really gave a sh1t, the way he pretends, he would have let the Iraq people rebuild their own country as they asked. We all know with good paying jobs, employment that this is the only recipe for a strong country. Bush has purposely kept Iraq in constant chaos for 1/2 decade torturing them and mentally torturing US.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:20 pmFU Bush… keep lying to US, keep torturing the Iraqi, keep the chaos going so maybe one day Big Oil will get it’s way.
Never a better time for a Balanced Budget Amendment and watch the right wing freak right out.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWhat a dick. — Comment by Gerald Gibson
What a sap: a vociferous member of the Cult of Ron Paul, trumpeting his virtues from the rooftops… who doesn’t even know his Glorious Leader’s positions are, or what they mean for America. Wise up, punk. You aren’t half as smart as you think. You’re no better than those know-nothing saps who voted for Bush “because he’s the kind of guy you want have a beer with.”
September 13th, 2007 at 9:25 pmdem rebuttal sounded good…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:25 pmfollow through, dems… please…
.
Pat Buchanan is a seasoned Bushbal*licker…
…they must train ‘em young…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:29 pmRachel Maddow shows ‘em…
…how to use the old noggin…
…for thinking and not fellatin’…
…she’s GREAT!
September 13th, 2007 at 9:32 pmA brilliant leader who’s clairvoyance will manifest its self far into the future. I hope you have the chance to enjoy it if only you can keep from ceasing from the fetal position every time you see his face.
Comment by Buck Cherry — September 13, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Bush once again shows what a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA he is.
He needs to go to Iraq for HIS war and DIE for his SINS.
The WORLD would CHEER!!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pm“rachel maddow with the first ZING of the night” :
it’s like taking advice about prostitution from david vitter (paraphrased?)
woo hoo! … good one, rachel!
September 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pm.
I smell Civil War…
…II…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:34 pmThis is just the direct cost. Once you add in replacement of military hardware and ordnance, and medical and other costs incurred by wounded and PTSD vets, and the social costs associated with that, economists say we’re already in for 2 trillion for just the war so far.
So at this rate, we’re looking at 6 trillion or so in overall costs, including externalities.
There’s no such thing as a fiscally responsible conservative. It’s in the same category as the tooth fairy.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:37 pmhuckabee wants more to die to honor the deaths…
i really can’t imagine that the families of those who have died
September 13th, 2007 at 9:40 pmwould wish that for any of the other families…
…
waiting for the edwards 2 minute spot…
September 13th, 2007 at 9:43 pmanyone know when that is scheduled?
.
Just as an aside, I’m finding it interesting that the speech analysis on MSNBC is being headed by Keith, not Tweety.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:57 pmthat was pretty cool… keith says “watch the commercials”…
and after a few of the usual corporates, there was EDWARDS,
calling out the FACTS, calling out the CONGRESS…
END THIS WAR.
(but i only counted 1 minute, didn’t i? … more to come?)
September 13th, 2007 at 9:57 pm.
’s ok… i’m used to talking to myself…
self, from what i heard, dubya’s speech
went over like a lead balloon…
except for “the base” (the “have more’s)…
pat buchanan thinks it was a hit with the base…
imagine that…
September 13th, 2007 at 10:03 pm…
Edwards was pretty good on that commercial. He looked like he found his game.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:06 pmNever ending war is right. It’s what they want and what they’ve been putting in place since the McKinley administration. The USA in Iraq is going to end up like the British in India—–a couple of centuries of colonialism and theft on a grand scale under the pretense of “civilizing” the people.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:09 pmPat Buchanan is a seasoned Bushbal*licker…
…they must train ‘em young…
Comment by big papa
Maybe so, but he sounded correct to me about the body language of Biden… the democrats are going to fold.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:15 pmComment by Charlie H — September 13, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
The End Game.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:15 pmEdwards was pretty good on that commercial. He looked like he found his game.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
He sure did…
I just ask myself.. if he was back Congress would he do what he says Congress should do?
September 13th, 2007 at 10:16 pmGood question Gerald.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:20 pmWhy not just add Iraq as another state? I’m sure they would vote Republican. I’ll be glad when the common ground Bush is seeking is the ground six feet down. Its time to confiscate the “ranch” in Crawford and turn it into a free rest and convalescent home for Veterans. Might also be a fitting place for the Iraq Illegal War Memorial.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:23 pmwho could ever know, gerald…
LOOK FORWARD.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:25 pm.
#
I smell Civil War…
…II…
Comment by big papa — September 13, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
September 13th, 2007 at 10:25 pmI overheard a guy saying he was trading the ballot box for the ammo box. I think its only a matter of time till the war comes home.
Now can a single honest person, that lives in the United States,
September 13th, 2007 at 11:57 pmactually say this comes as some great surprise? The plan to take
Iraq by Invasion, and to occupy that country in perpetuity (like
Japan and Germany) has been the strategy from day one. To
say or think otherwise is the most crass self deception. A nation
doesn’t spend $1 trillion usd plus to destroy, and then occupy the
ruins, that has the slightest intention of ever leaving. Any person
with an IQ of over 3 had this one figured out the day the US Army
crossed the Kuwaiti boarder. Of course there was no intention of
ever leaving Iraq. The shareholders at Exxon/Mobil would never
approve of such folly. And since they control the US economy, what the Hell else would you expect? This has been the crux of the matter from the very outset of the entire farce. As Hitler once said, “Who is in any position to question the motives or tactics of the Victors, in any armed conflict? Absolutely no one. And like it or not, History has proved the
Fuhrer quite correct once again. In Practice. The Nation with the bigger brigades always comes out on top. Truth and morality be damned.
Pentagon Capitalism was the wry title of one of Melman’s books. What did he mean by it? “Since 1951,†he wrote,
the budget of the Department of Defense each year exceeds the net profits of all U.S. corporations. So, in finance capital terms, that means that the management of that budget controls the largest single block of finance capital resources.
Wow.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:20 am#
Pentagon Capitalism was the wry title of one of Melman’s books. What did he mean by it? “Since 1951,†he wrote,
the budget of the Department of Defense each year exceeds the net profits of all U.S. corporations. So, in finance capital terms, that means that the management of that budget controls the largest single block of finance capital resources.
Wow.
Comment by Zep Tepi — September 14, 2007 @ 12:20 am
September 14th, 2007 at 1:29 amWow is right. I knew these bastards were greedy money grubbers, but that statement is cold. Wow.
The longer the troops stay in Iraq, the longer people will be cursing George Bush for his grand failure. What a legacy.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:16 amWell, it was a fleeting hope that comment #264 might be proven false. But instead he was proven absolutely correct. All I can say is, “coffee break over. Back on our heads…”
September 14th, 2007 at 7:40 am