New WH Report Contradicts Bush’s Claim That Troop Drawdown Is Result Of ‘Success’ In Iraq
New WH Report Contradicts Bush’s Claim That Troop Drawdown Is Result Of ‘Success’ In Iraq
Tonight in his prime time address, President Bush announced that he plans to withdraw approximately 23,000 U.S. troops from Iraq by mid-July, returning the force to pre-surge levels and “leaving about 137,000 U.S. troops in place.” He claimed that because of his escalation’s “success” on the ground, troops can now be drawn down:
Iraqi forces are receiving increased cooperation from local populations. And this is improving their ability to hold areas that have been cleared.
Because of this success, General Petraeus believes we have now reached the point where we can maintain our security gains with fewer American forces.
Watch it:
Yet as White House reports show, this “success” is nothing but rhetoric. In July, the White House released its “Initial Benchmark Assessment Report” claiming that the Iraqi government has “shown satisfactory performance so far on 8 of the 18 benchmarks.”
As the National Security Network pointed out, even the “satisfactory” benchmarks demonstrated “minimal progress, not achievement” and “others ha[d] been achieved on the surface, but fail[ed] to accomplish the overall purpose of the specific measurement.”
A new White House report to be released tomorrow largely mirrors the gloomy July conclusions. The new report shows that the Iraqi government has shown “positive movement on only one of the benchmarks.” The AP reports that the new White House analysis will cite unsatisfactory progress on issues such as:
-Enacting legislation to formally distribute oil resources equally among Iraqis without regard to their sect or ethnicity.
-Ensuring that the Iraqi security forces are providing evenhanded enforcement of the law.
-Increasing the number of Iraqi security forces units capable of operating independently.
-Ensuring that Iraq’s political authorities are not undermining or making false accusations against members of the Iraqi security forces.
Recently, the Bush administration has attempted to distance itself from the benchmarks framework. Earlier this week, outgoing White House Press Secretary Tony Snow claimed that they were “something that Congress wanted to use as a metric.” Actually, as The New York Times notes, it was “the White House and the Iraqi government, not Congress, that first proposed the benchmarks for Iraq that are now producing failing grades.”
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Bush made clear he will allow thousands of more soldiers die in Iraq so he and Cheney can work on getting the Iraq contacts for oil rights. So look for at lease 100 body bags coming back to the US with dead soldiers. Good news for the Iraq people Bush will make sure the men have jobs and those who lost their pensions will start getting them again most likely with back pay. All this with US taxpayers money. Yes Bush made it clear that he will make sure Iraq gets homes, jobs, water, electricity and a strong economy. While millions of Americans lose their jobs and homes they still will have to make sure they pay their taxes because Bush has promised Iraq to continue the 10 billion dollars a week and he has told the American people the next President will have to continue that policy.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:32 pmThat’s the plan. Link troop draw-downs with success. That way, whenever the average American hears some troops are coming home, he/she will instantly believe Bush is a genius and his plan is working perfectly.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:39 pmWhat the hell does ’success’ in Iraq mean?
What is the difference of a terrorist attack and preemptive strike? None…except Bush’s preemptive strike terrorist attack lasted 2 days dropping 4000 bombs. Doesn’t that make Bush a terrorist? So what does terrorist Bush mean by success?
Sick to death of hearing all the LIES and I am going to puke if Bush’s approval rating bumps up a point over his pointless idiotic speech.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:41 pmBut it must be a success. Last night on the O’Reilly Factor Tony Snow said it was such a success we “ought to be celebrating.”
Tony Snow Celebrates Iraq:
C E L E B R A T E good times, come on…..
September 13th, 2007 at 11:47 pmHere’s some related response to this issue:
Submitted For Your Approval
September 11, 2007
Editor: The gargantuan front page article “General backs partial pullout†can be surmise into two basic points. It’s the conviction of Gerneral Petraeus that the deployment of 30,000 troops out of Iraq by the summer of 2008 is possible because of the success of the escalation. Second, the general raves that the escalation has dealt “significant blows†to al-Qaida, thus overcoming Iraq’s and of the U.S. greatest opposition to democracy. Both President Bush and General Petraeus claim that overall sectarian deaths in Iraq are down. But the GAO report said that the overall civilian deaths are increasing. Since August the death count was 1809 while in July it was 1760. The report also mentions that only 3 of the 18 political progress benchmarks have been met. That spells failure, not success. And as for the al-Qaida threat, it has been overblown, thanks with the help of the mainstream media. Contrary to Petraeus’s talking points, al-Qaida has never been a major threat in Iraq since its “threat†consists only somewhere between 2 and 5 percent of the total insurgency. This is smoking mirrors. And why not? In May of 2003, Petraeus, with his experts, made claims that he found the mobile biological agent production lab in Mosul, Iraq. These ‘experts†failed to mention that those labs were nothing more than hydrogen generation units to fill weather balloons. Now, should we believe General Petraeus as we did with General Colin Powell?
The Nutty Nutshell
September 12, 2007
Editor: The article “Bush aides: Bin Laden still threat†need its pot stir a bit more. According to the Bush administration’s counter-terrorism dept. Osama bin-Laden and al-Qaida are still considered a major global threat to liberty and civilization. Yet the National Intelligence, our armed forces and President Bush have failed to live up to their promise to parade Bin Laden’s head on a stick in the last 6 years. The Bush administration is kicking up a dust storm in Iraq about the threat of al-Qaida. But nothing is done to apprehend bin-Laden and destroy the dreaded al-Qaida in Pakistan. We invaded Iraq because we suspected Saddam Hussein was a terror threat to the U.S. Yet there’s a hands off policy on Pakistan, comforting bin-Laden with our foreign aid. But on the home front, the Bush administration is thrashing our civil liberties and expanding its illegal surveillance on innocent Americans. Now to put all this in a nutty nutshell. Before Congress as General Petraeus was plucking dots out of tin air to connect them, justifying the escalation, a question wasn’t asked: Why invade Iraq at the cost of over a trillion dollars while the mastermind of 9/11 is in Pakistan, making home videos?
September 13th, 2007 at 11:52 pmLISTEN ALL I’VE HEARD THE HIGHEST CLASS HOUSE IN THE NATION BABBLE ON ABOUT BIG BAD TERRORISTS EVERY FRIGGIN DAY FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS, NOTHING ELSE, OTHER THAN LIE AFTER LIFE
HOW MANY TIMES IN THIS NATIONWIDE PRIME TIME SPEACH DID HE MENTION REFERNCE TO TERRORIST… PROBABLY AT LEAST 100 TIMES
IN WHAT 20 MINUTES
I STAND STRONG
WE THE PEOPLE GET THE GREASE PITS FOR SERVICE FROM THIS SWINDLERS WITH ALL THAT CORRUPTION OOZING DOWN THE SIDES
September 13th, 2007 at 11:53 pmOF THIS GREASE DUMP
What the hell does ’success’ in Iraq mean?
What is the difference of a terrorist attack and preemptive strike? None…except Bush’s preemptive strike terrorist attack lasted 2 days dropping 4000 bombs. Doesn’t that make Bush a terrorist? So what does terrorist Bush mean by success?
Sick to death of hearing all the LIES and I am going to puke if Bush’s approval rating bumps up a point over his pointless idiotic speech.
Comment by had enough
we try to surgically kill only the bad guys- terroists try to surgically kill innocents - any help- i still remember the people in palestine where cheering and handing out candy when thousand of innocent americans died- you will never see an american cheer over the death of innocent people
September 13th, 2007 at 11:55 pmThe time to impeach this crazy SOB has long passed. If the Demcratic Party does not have the votes to stop this war, they should make this crazy SOB and all his enablers in the GOP answer questions about the crimes he has commited. I have had enough.
This man is a delusional SOB and anybody who goes along with him should be in a straight jacket themseleves.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:56 pmyou will never see an american cheer over the death of innocent people
Comment by sam — September 13, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Hmmm… so ALL those dead Iraqis were guilty?? Of what, being Iraqis?
Living too close to OUR oil? Please clarify your statement.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:57 pmFRIST
CORRUPT
BOEHNER
TOTALLY CORRUPT
NEY DELAY ABRAMHOFF SANTORUM STEVENS
INFACT THE ENTIRE WHITE HOUSE TOTALLY FRIGGIN CORRUPT
SWINDLERS I SAY SOME OF THE BIGGEST IF NOT THE BIGGEST
CROOKS IN THE NATION
IT’S LIKE YOU SCRATCH ME
AND I’LL SCRATCH YOU
LIKE COME AND SMOOZE WITH ME
AND I’LL SMOOZE WITH YOU
AND THE ELF’S POT… RAISE THE FRIGGIN DEBT CEILING ANOTHER 800 BILLION
SWINDLERS I SAY, HIGH CLASS POLITICAL SWINDLERS AND LEECHES
DUDE
AND WE GET THE FRIGGIN GREASE DUMP WITH CORRUPTION OVER THE SIDES DUDE
September 13th, 2007 at 11:57 pmyou will never see an american cheer over the death of innocent people
Comment by sam — September 13, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Hmmm… so ALL those dead Iraqis were guilty?? Of what, being Iraqis?
Living too close to OUR oil? Please clarify your statement
who is publicly cheering the deaths of innocents- not americans-
September 14th, 2007 at 12:01 am#7 = SUCCESS IN IRAQ =
MORE SCRATCHING ME
IF
I SCRATCH YOU
AND MORE FUND RAISERS
AND SMOOZING IT UP
AND SS# SELL OUTS
AND SWINDLING THE LOCK BOX
AND CORRUPTION DUDE
RIGHT OFF THE FRIGGIN GREASE PIT DUDE FRIGGIN CORRUPTION OOZING DOWN THE SIDES OF THE FRIGGIN GREASE DUMP DUDE
THAT’S THE SUCCESS THESE SWINDLERS AND LEECHES ACHIEVE DUDE
SCRATCHING AND SMOOZING IT UP DUDE
September 14th, 2007 at 12:01 amShorter Bush: stay the course.
So long, Republicans. You will never get this albatross off your neck.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:06 amSam, those US people cheering the use of nukes against Iran must be Palestines…
September 14th, 2007 at 12:14 amBush insane.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:16 amvideo no worky …
September 14th, 2007 at 12:22 amwe try to surgically kill only the bad guys- terroists try to surgically kill innocents
Comment by sam
Such crap….
September 14th, 2007 at 12:24 amIt has been known for some time that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11… most of us knew it before the Shock and Awe.
Surely you remember Shock and Awe… we dropped 4000 bombs on Baghdad, a population of which half were children, babies, under the age of 16. And surely you must remember how the corporate media put this in our face while the giggling idiots from the WH constantly also got in our face exhibiting such excitement over his slaughter… knowing this was over lies. How sick is that?
Facts are facts…all the lies you hear from right hate America can not spin this clean.
you will never see an american cheer over the death of innocent people
Comment by sam — September 13, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Funny how reality disagrees with you.
According to a recent PIPA survey, a full 24% of Americans believe that bombing and other types of attacks intentionally aimed at innocent civilians are sometimes or often justified.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:27 amWe have a poster here, whose moniker is Exley.
He affirmed that torturing and killing Marxist Leninists in Chile, in the Pinochet regime was justified…
September 14th, 2007 at 12:30 am“The time to impeach this crazy SOB has long passed. If the Demcratic Party does not have the votes to stop this war, they should make this crazy SOB and all his enablers in the GOP answer questions about the crimes he has commited. I have had enough.
This man is a delusional SOB and anybody who goes along with him should be in a straight jacket themseleves.
Comment by kasinca — September 13, 2007 @ 11:56 pm”
Sorry you feel that way. Unfortunately for you, your anti-American traitorous opinion does not matter. There will be no impeachment. The Iraq war will continue to victory, no matter who wins the White House. And above all, the Bush administration has commited no crimes, so congress can continue to waste their time on ludicrous investigations while President Bush runs the country.
Therefore, you lose.
However, keep preaching impeachment. It just makes you look more and more kooky and keeps you busy while the rest of America lives life.
Stay the course!
September 14th, 2007 at 12:32 amAnne Coulter on the Oklahoma City Bombers…
August 26, 2002: On Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh: “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”
Doesn’t sound like old Annie is feelin’ too much sympathy for the dead AMERICAN children in that mess…
Here’s Big Dick talkin’ about oil…
“The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratic regimes friendly to the United States” - Richard Cheney
Yeah, Big Dick… quite the patriot!
Halliburton pleads guilty to criminal charges of violating a U.S. ban on exports to Libya by selling Col. Qaddafi six pulse neutron generators, devices that can be used to detonate nuclear weapons.6 Halliburton pays a $3.8 million penalty to settle alleged violations of the U.S. trade ban.7
Yeah, it was all about Democracy on the March!
Cheney contributes to the creation of an influential right-wing policy group called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). The group advocates for the removal of Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi regime as early as January 1998, and is later revealed to be the intellectual center of the drive to war in Iraq.
Oh yeah, those conservatives sure are rational humans!
http://mvcajournal.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 11/ democrats-responsible-for-150000-iraqi.html
But these killers are not allies, supporters, or friends of President Bush. Instead, they are allies of the Democratic party.
This is the same group that was cheering yesterday that the Dems had won the election, and who said that they were now “looking forward” to a more “accommodating” attitude from the Democratically lead US government.
This is the same group that has been “ratcheting up” the level of violence In Iraq in synchronization with the news and election cycles to create an atmosphere most favorable for electing Democrats here in America.
And, noticeably, I have yet to hear a single Democrat publicly repudiate the idea that Democrats will “work with” the Islamic terrorists and insurgents to reach an “accommodation”.
But this isn’t the first time Democrats have coordinated with enemies of the United States to kill our soldiers and exterminate our allies.
Years after the Vietnam War was ended, we found out that people like John Kerry were having secret talks with the North Vietnamese. Talks which encouraged the NV to continue to fight, and which promised an “accommodation” once the Democrats gained sufficient power.
And so it happened.
Giap continued to fight after Tet, not because he believed he could defeat the US military in the field, but because he was supporting his Democratic allies in America while they fought a political and propoganda war. Giap was able to drag out the war long enough that it lost popular support in the US, due largely to the actions of people like Kerry and the MSM. The Democrats gained political power, and South Vietnam was left to conquest by the North.
As a result, 68,000 Americans died, and nearly 2 million Vietnamese were murdered by the political allies of the Democrats.
We may very well be seeing the same thing in Iraq.
The Terrorists with whom the Democratic are allied have already killed over 3,000 US soldiers, and by some reports, over 150,000 Iraqis. And if the US, because of actions taken by the new “Democratic” leaders, pulls out of Iraq, the death toll will skyrocket.
I wonder if, in a few years, we will find out that far too many of our soldiers and Iraqi civilians died as a result of Democrats encouraging Islamic terrorists to “hang on” for just a few more years, just like they did in Vietnam.
No shame in peddlin’ THAT pile o’ crap to the base, huh!
I’m so f-in’ sick of irrational, self-important cowrds like YOU, I could puke.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:33 amyou will never see an american cheer over the death of innocent people
Comment by sam
September 14th, 2007 at 12:36 amYou are so full of crap and misguided…Again I refer you to my post #17…
Iraq was/is innocent…what we did to that country is unforgivable and we will pay dearly.
POLITICAL
LEECHES
SWINDLERS
HIGHEST CLASS HOUSE OF THE LAND =
CROOKS
SMOOZING IT UP
SCRATCHING ME COME ON SCRATCH WITH ME
FRIGGIN BIG BAD OLD TERRORIST
FRIGGIN EVERY DAY FOR FRIGGIN 7 YEARS, NOTHIN ELSE DUDE
NOTHING ELSE
WE THE FRIGGIN PEOPLE GET THE GREASE PITS FOR SERVICE DUDE
109TH CONGRESS MOST CORRUPT
EVER
WORST PRESIDENT
EVER
AND WHAT DO WE THE PEOPLE GET FOR SERVICE DUDE
THE FRIGGIN
GREASE
DUMP
WITH CORRUPTION OOZING DOWN THE SIDES DUDE
24/7
CORRUPTION OOZING DOWN THE SIDES OFF THE FRIGGIN GREASE PIT DUDE
THAT’S WHAT WE THE PEOPLE GET FOR FRIGGIN SERVICE DUDE
SWINDLERS, CRIMINALS, HIGH CLASS THUGS
AND A FRIGGIN GREASE PIT WITH CORRUPTION OOZING DOWN THE SIDES DUDE 24/7
JIMBO DUDE STANDS STRONG ALL ABOUT INTEGRITY/TRUTH DUDE
GREASE DUMPS AND CORRUPTION DUDE
September 14th, 2007 at 12:39 amBush is only interested in the OIL benchmark being enacted. Iraq occupation is solely to control its OIL reserves.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:39 am“you will never see an american cheer over the death of innocent people
Comment by sam — September 13, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Funny how reality disagrees with you.
According to a recent PIPA survey, a full 24% of Americans believe that bombing and other types of attacks intentionally aimed at innocent civilians are sometimes or often justified.
Comment by toasterhead — September 14, 2007 @ 12:27 am”
Being justified is a far cry from cheering.
Besides, you libs keep saying that (your figure of) 26 percent of the people who are Bush supporters are an irrelevant minority. Therefore, I submit that 24 percent of Americans who believe that bombing and attacking civilians are just as irrelevant. So what is your point?
Americans will never cheer the death of innocent people.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:44 amBeheading or collateral damage…which is better way to die? At least with beheading your killer meant to do it. Either way you’re just as dead.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:47 am“Iraq was/is innocent…what we did to that country is unforgivable and we will pay dearly.
Comment by had enough — September 14, 2007 @ 12:36 am”
If you liberals don’t want to be compared to Osama Bin Laden, then you really ought to quit talking like him.
Actually, what Saddam Hussein did to Iraq was unforgivable, and HE has paid dearly.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:48 amAmericans will never cheer the death of innocent people.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:44 am
We kill so many, nobody bothers to care.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:49 am“We kill so many, nobody bothers to care.
Comment by jb — September 14, 2007 @ 12:49 am”
Another lib disparaging our military. What a surprise.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:52 amGuess Bigfoot missed Borat.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:53 amAmericans will never cheer the death of innocent people.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:44 am
We have all heard some numbskull suggest that we turn the entire region into a parking lot via nuclear weaponry. I wish your statement was true but it’s a big country and there are bound to be dolts .
September 14th, 2007 at 12:53 amThe reason the Democrats aren’t interested in stopping the war is that this gives them the opportunity to give great political speeches whenever a microphone is in front of their faces.
While the GOP is interested in protecting our freedoms, the Democrats are in full campaign mode 24×7.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:54 amAnother lib disparaging our military. What a surprise.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:52 am
September 14th, 2007 at 12:54 amNot our military….its the policy stupid. Quit hiding behind the troops.
“Iraq was/is innocent…what we did to that country is unforgivable and we will pay dearly.
Comment by had enough — September 14, 2007 @ 12:36 amâ€
If you liberals don’t want to be compared to Osama Bin Laden, then you really ought to quit talking like him.
Actually, what Saddam Hussein did to Iraq was unforgivable, and HE has paid dearly.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Justify the Shock and Awe… 4000 bombs dropped on Baghdad in 2 days, a population half of which were children… justify this knowing it was over LIES… as the Bush thugs knew it was over LIES… if you feel in your heart what we did is fine then you too are one Ffen serial killer .
September 14th, 2007 at 12:54 amWhile the GOP is interested in protecting our freedoms
Comment by muckdog — September 14, 2007 @ 12:54 am
GOP is interested in looting the treasure of our great country and the GOP has done considerable damage to our freedoms.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:58 amjb, you’ll have to give specific examples instead of sounding silly with ridiculous accusations. You sound like a crazed, leftist kook.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:00 am“Iraqi forces are receiving increased cooperation from local populations. And this is improving their ability to hold areas that have been cleared.
Because of this success, General Petraeus believes we have now reached the point where we can maintain our security gains with fewer American forces.”
Funny, when you libs are calling for fewer American military forces in Iraq, you make it sound like you are some sort of American heroes for doing so.
When President Bush calls for fewer American military forces in Iraq, you call it a sham.
Please, go right ahead and ignore reality. Keep yourselves busy looking for boogeymen that don’t exist. Keep forcing your Democrats into unwinnable corners, with the threat of “or else”.
In the meantime, the rest of us mainstream folk will run the country, support our military, our President, and our country.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:02 am* billion missing dollars in Iraq…no bid contracts with no oversight to cronies. Illegal domestic spying. I’m sure you’ve read about these things.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:02 amAnother lib disparaging our military. What a surprise.
Comment by O. Bigfoot It is serial killer folks like yourself, too chicken to sign up for the illegal invasion/massacre that do not support the troops. Your kind have no problem with the mistreatment the military receives … just so it isn’t you.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:03 am8 billion missing from Iraq reconstruction monies…. GOP so called party of fiscal responsibility.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:04 amIn the meantime, the rest of us mainstream folk will run the country, support our military, our President, and our country.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Since when is 28% of the population mainstream?
September 14th, 2007 at 1:15 amNew CBS/NYT poll: Bush’s handling of situation in Iraq: 26% approve 71% disapprove.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:18 amThat makes anti-Bush people mainstream and pro-Bush people wingnuts.
Bush is only interested in the OIL benchmark being enacted. Iraq occupation is solely to control its OIL reserves.
Comment by Jay Randal
September 14th, 2007 at 1:18 amAnd it looks like the Oil deal, aka as privatization of Iraqi oil, real terms STEALING of Iraqi oil has fallen apart. Iraqi people are not going to go for it.
Bush supporters… I suppose you feel we should slaughter the Iraqi’s some more, right, until they change their minds?
In his speech to the nation Thursday night, President Bush unveiled the latest official White House talking point on Iraq. Destined for regurgitation from reliable Republican mouthpieces is “Return on Success.” That business sounding jargon from our first - and failed - MBA president is designed to reassure the American people that after our troops fight them there, they can come home here.
For the complete list of RNC-approved Iraq sound bites, see:
September 14th, 2007 at 1:19 am“‘Return on Success’ Added to Official GOP Iraq Talking Points.”
Bush don’t need no stinkin’ facts….he just paints a pretty picture in his mind and we’re supposed to see it too. Well at least a couple of trolls see sort of what they are told to see.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:21 amMajority of civilians being killed in Iraq today are by airstrikes (bombs, jet fighters, and helicopter gunships). Only the US is doing this.
Fox certainly looked like it was celebrating the US’s destruction of Iraq and its people to me. One million dead. Four million refugees. One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five. Second-worst failed state in the world. Now conservatives want to hit 1200 targets in Iran.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:24 am“Justify the Shock and Awe… 4000 bombs dropped on Baghdad in 2 days, a population half of which were children… justify this knowing it was over LIES… as the Bush thugs knew it was over LIES… if you feel in your heart what we did is fine then you too are one Ffen serial killer .
Comment by had enough — September 14, 2007 @ 12:54 am”
Wrong again, just like a liberal.
You are still using tired old Democrat talking points even though they have been discredited numerous times. If you still actually think Bush lied to get us into war, then you are living in the same old George Soros/MoveOn.org fog of irrational thinking that plagues the kook left nationwide.
If it makes you feel better to call me a serial killer, then feel free to do so. The opinions of ignorant people have no effect on me. I lose no sleep over it.
Saddam Hussein violated numerous UN resolutions. The United States was well within it’s legal right to force Hussein’s Iraq into compliance. All Saddam Hussein had to do to avoid invasion was to comply. He chose not to comply, full well knowing what would happen to his country. Hussein’s disdain for his own people is what brought this to bear.
Now that Al-Qaida and Iran have taken advantage of Iraq’s instability, we are having to fight them as well. I don’t expect you to understand these simple facts, but it does not change those facts.
If we leave Iraq, complete chaos will follow, and Iran will be the dominant player. The leaders of Iran are our sworn enemies, thus they cannot be allowed to step into the void.
We are succeeding in Iraq. The new strategy is working. The evidence is clear. You can choose to ignore it, and I fully expect you to do so. However, once again, your ignorance does not change the facts.
Furthermore, we MUST succeed in Iraq. Our future, and our children’s future, depends upon it.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:25 amI can’t stand it! Are we so gullible that it does not matter what reality is - Bush will twist, contort and spin until no sane person can see straight. Iraq is a failure; there is no coherent way to spin that and yet we will let Bush do so and we will pay the price for it to continue. Madness.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:28 am“Since when is 28% of the population mainstream?
Comment by Wayne — September 14, 2007 @ 1:15 am”
Oh, havn’t you heard? President Bush’s approval rating is up to 36%, and climbing.
Regardless of how one feels about the way President Bush handles one policy or another, a far higher percentage of Americans support the idea of success in Iraq.
And since the President still gets pretty much everything he wants, the Democrat “majority” is essentially impotent. Or is that complicit?
September 14th, 2007 at 1:31 amO. Bigfoot, are you alive - your assessment is Repuke kool-aid. “All Sadaam had to do was comply”???? How more could he comply? He said he had no WMD. “We are succeeding in Iraq…”! Sen. Obama has a good description of the ’success’ - disaster has returned to the 2006 level. You can’t justify this inhumane travesty.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:35 amI just feel sorry for Bigfoot.
After such a display of ignorance…it is better just to let him be.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:35 amPres Bush is climbing…yeah…but lets leave it at that…
September 14th, 2007 at 1:36 amMore empty rhetoric and spilled blood by our dear leader. Bush had a duty to think about the chaos caused by power vacuum and that Iran would most naturally fill that vacuum. Iraq is broken, our treasury is bust, China owns us, military is broken. Its a little late now bigfoot to start thinking of our children’s future.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:38 amSaddam Hussein violated numerous UN resolutions. The United States was well within it’s legal right to force Hussein’s Iraq into compliance. All Saddam Hussein had to do to avoid invasion was to comply. He chose not to comply, full well knowing what would happen to his country. Hussein’s disdain for his own people is what brought this to bear.
Now that Al-Qaida and Iran have taken advantage of Iraq’s instability, we are having to fight them as well. I don’t expect you to understand these simple facts, but it does not change those facts.
If we leave Iraq, complete chaos will follow, and Iran will be the dominant player. The leaders of Iran are our sworn enemies, thus they cannot be allowed to step into the void.
We are succeeding in Iraq. The new strategy is working. The evidence is clear. You can choose to ignore it, and I fully expect you to do so. However, once again, your ignorance does not change the facts.
Furthermore, we MUST succeed in Iraq. Our future, and our children’s future, depends upon it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:25 am
Amazing. “Conservatives” have absolutely no use for the UN under most circumstances, and will rattle on at great length about the “new world order”, but suddenly the invasion of Iraq is justified by Saddam’s noncompliance with . . . the UN. Whodathunkit?
“the leaders of Iran are our sworn enemies” . . . and why is that? Is it because the US government has regularly announced that this is so? What else are the Iranian leaders to do, given that the US is responsible for overthrowing the last democratically-elected government in Iran?
“Al Qaeda and Iran are taking advantage” . . . Boy, talk about your natural allies. A Wahabi extremist Sunni group, who believe that the most vile and evil people on the planet are Shi’ites . . . and a Shi’ite government. Well, that makes sense. If you’re a “conservative” and incapable of logical thought.
“We’re succeeding in Iraq”. Trust me. We are. All the evidence suggests the opposite, but who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?
“We must succeed in Iraq. Otherwise, our children will be praying in mosques and speaking Arabic.” Or, maybe, our children and their children will be working day and night to pay off the debt incurred by idiots like GWB and Little O. Start a war that is supposed to last a week, promise that it will be paid for out of oil revenues that never appear, send an insufficient number of troops who are then instructed to secure the wrong targets, and make sure to offer a tax cut at home to satisfy your political agenda . . . a sure recipe for success.
O. Bigfoot, you’re either completely deluded or you’re a tool for the neocons (and delusional enough to buy their ridiculous story).
September 14th, 2007 at 1:40 amComment by gummitch — September 14, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Excellent points and you deserve a medal for going beyond the call of duty to dismantle bigfoot’s propaganda point by point. I just stare at his lame post and think…for some there is no hope.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:45 amFurthermore, we MUST succeed in Iraq. Our future, and our children’s future, depends upon it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:25 am
You’ve already sold your country’s and your children’s future out, bigfoot. you have ruined America, we have never been weaker nor in more danger, especially from traitors within, like y8ou. bush is a petty tyrant who deserves death by hanging, no more than that, and iraq will never be a “win” except for the traitors of big oil and big money Republican America -haters. Everything you spout is an Anti-American lie, and your support of an illegal war proves it repeatedly. Fortunately, your time is up next year, and a republican administration will never be seen again in your lifetime, although if the Chinese pull the plug it won’t matter. Bush is a traitor, and should be tried and hanged, as an example to the 30% who are too stupid, greedy and full of hate to worthy of the name American. That includes you. You’re a traitor, just like the Germans who supported Hitler, exactly.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:49 am“I just feel sorry for Bigfoot.
After such a display of ignorance…it is better just to let him be.
Comment by Juan C — September 14, 2007 @ 1:35 am
More empty rhetoric and spilled blood by our dear leader. Bush had a duty to think about the chaos caused by power vacuum and that Iran would most naturally fill that vacuum. Iraq is broken, our treasury is bust, China owns us, military is broken. Its a little late now bigfoot to start thinking of our children’s future.
Comment by jb — September 14, 2007 @ 1:38 am”
Don’t waste your precious time feeling sorry for me. All is well. Feel sorry for yourselves, for it is you who feel there is no future.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:51 amDon’t waste your precious time feeling sorry for me. All is well. Feel sorry for yourselves, for it is you who feel there is no future.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Says the coward only too happy to send his wife’s kids off to die for oil profits. You’re despicable, a shame and blight on America.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:57 amBigfoot’s future is paved with the blood of Iraqis and US soldiers. He is pleased and confident.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:58 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:25 am
I have explained to you many times that Saddam DID comply. He allowed the weapons inspectors in, he did not have any WMD and he gave a 20,000 page report accounting for his past WMD.
The weapons inspectors said they looked every place they could think of, and if the White House could suggest some place to llok they would do so. The White House ordered them out.
The White House DID lie. They said Iraq HAD stockpiles of WMD: 500 tons, 42,000 liters and 38,000 liters. The uranium from Africa was a lie. The aluminum tubes was a lie. The meeting in Prague was a lie. The drones was a lie. The ready to launch in 15 minutes was a lie. The ties to al Qaeda was a lie. The shack in the north was a lie. The mobile weapons lab was a lie.
We bugged the Security Council’s phones and when we realized the vote would go 11-4 against the US, we pulled out.
The Downing Street Memo is true. It said the policy of invasion was set in summer of 2002 and the “evidence” would be made up later.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:02 amWell, guess that Bigfoot already found the WMDs in his little Risk game…
September 14th, 2007 at 2:02 amWhen Iran is attacked by US, Bigfoot will say: Hey, we wanted to talk with Iran but they kept shutting us down.
I guess he wont remember the letter Iran´s president sent to the American people after the WH refused to read it.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:05 amJuan C,
To conservatives, everything is like a little Risk game. See how much of the world and its resources you can conquer. Pretend you are Julius Ceasar, Alexander the Great, or Ghengis Khan.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:05 am“You’ve already sold your country’s and your children’s future out, bigfoot. you have ruined America, we have never been weaker nor in more danger, especially from traitors within, like y8ou. bush is a petty tyrant who deserves death by hanging, no more than that, and iraq will never be a “win†except for the traitors of big oil and big money Republican America -haters. Everything you spout is an Anti-American lie, and your support of an illegal war proves it repeatedly. Fortunately, your time is up next year, and a republican administration will never be seen again in your lifetime, although if the Chinese pull the plug it won’t matter. Bush is a traitor, and should be tried and hanged, as an example to the 30% who are too stupid, greedy and full of hate to worthy of the name American. That includes you. You’re a traitor, just like the Germans who supported Hitler, exactly.
Comment by ronjazz — September 14, 2007 @ 1:49 am”
Blah, blah, blah. Hate America First. Blah, blah, blah. It’s all Bush’s fault. Blah, blah, blah. I’m a traitor. Blah, blah, blah. America is ruined. Blah, blah, blah.
It’s all been heard before. Nothing knew here.
The fact that you advocate the hanging of a duly elected President of the United States makes you the traitor, ronjazz.
You know the truth, ronjazz. Or you are simply too stupid to figure it out, which is entirely possible. Either way, I lose no sleep. You have to live with yourself and your hatred.
Furthermore, you can look forward to whomever wins the Presidency next year continuing the war in Iraq. Democrats do not want to be blamed for defeat, as it would end their slim political reign. Remember, conservatives, as rule, believe what they say, and would rather lose an election then trade in their beliefs.
Democrats do whatever is politically expedient.
I survived 8 years of the Clintons in power. I can survive 4 more if need be. But while you write off the Republicans in my lifetime, I do not. If Hillary is the presumptive nominee on the Democrat side, just wait for the groundswell of dissaproval to rear it’s head, and we will talk about it next November. You people are still running against George Bush, and George Bush isn’t running for anything next year.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:06 amThe mobile weapons lab was a lie.
Comment by Keith — September 14, 2007 @ 2:02 am
Colin Powell with his drawings, now Petreaus with his phony report built on twisted data. The layers of lies from this administration is looking like the Grand Canyon.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:07 am“Don’t waste your precious time feeling sorry for me. All is well. Feel sorry for yourselves, for it is you who feel there is no future.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Says the coward only too happy to send his wife’s kids off to die for oil profits. You’re despicable, a shame and blight on America.
Comment by ronjazz — September 14, 2007 @ 1:57 am”
Why does ronjazz hate the military?
September 14th, 2007 at 2:08 amBush was only “duly elected” if you believe the machines made by Republican companies. Strange we are not allowed to see how they work. Exit polls said Kerry won by 3,000,000 votes and Gore won Florida by 300,000 votes.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:10 amBest liar-in-chief ever.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:10 amAnyone notices how Bigfoot doesnt address the arguments that proved that Iraq invasion was founded in lies?
September 14th, 2007 at 2:11 amBush is destroying the military and increasing terrorism—-not Progressives.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:12 amOh yeah, those eight years of “the Clintons” with peace and the greatest extended economic expansion in the history of the USA—sure was rough.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:14 amWhy do you hate the military, ronjazz? Inquiring minds want to know.
Military service in my wife’s son’s family goes back to the Spanish conquest of what is now New Mexico. His grandparents are the ones paying for his military schooling, sending him to the same academy his grandfather went to.
Why do you desparage serving your country, ronjazz? How do you live with yourself filled with such hatred and loathing for the United States?
If there is anyone here who we should feel sorry for, it is you, ronjazz. However, I will leave that to others. I have far to much to do than to waste my time feeling sorry for you.
You are a sad character, ronjazz. Please, get professional help.. then perhaps, with time, you could become a productive member of society.
Life is far too short to live it in such despair.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:15 amYou people are still running against George Bush, and George Bush isn’t running for anything next year.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 2:06 am
W is the face of the GOP, no matter how much you wish it wasn’t so. The GOP’s policies of tax breaks for extremely wealthy, unrestrained corporate power and endless war to direct the defense budget into the corporate coffers has proven to be failed policy. The current crop of GOP pres. candidates are a bunch of flip floppers afraid to stand for anything except to pander to the wackiest of the right. don’t worry we’ll get the country back in shape and maybe in 50 or 75 years the GOP might get another chance to destroy it. So, Bigfoot, live in hope.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Okay, why did you hate the US under “the Clintons”. There was a lot less to hate then?
September 14th, 2007 at 2:18 amComment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Okay, why did you hate the US under “the Clintonsâ€. There was a lot less to hate then?
Comment by Keith — September 14, 2007 @ 2:18 am
Who said I hated the US under the Clintstones? I had just as much fun during those years as I do now. Only now I get to keep more of my money, and I can buy high-capacity pistol and rifle magazines again.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:28 am“W is the face of the GOP, no matter how much you wish it wasn’t so. The GOP’s policies of tax breaks for extremely wealthy, unrestrained corporate power and endless war to direct the defense budget into the corporate coffers has proven to be failed policy. The current crop of GOP pres. candidates are a bunch of flip floppers afraid to stand for anything except to pander to the wackiest of the right. don’t worry we’ll get the country back in shape and maybe in 50 or 75 years the GOP might get another chance to destroy it. So, Bigfoot, live in hope.
Comment by jb — September 14, 2007 @ 2:16 am”
You just keep right on believing that, jb!
September 14th, 2007 at 2:29 amAnyone notices how Bigfoot doesnt address the arguments that proved that Iraq invasion was founded in lies?
Comment by Juan C —
September 14th, 2007 at 2:41 amI am still waiting for a non BS answer to my question:
What is the difference between a terrorist attack and a preemptive attack? I got a few smears and lies from bigfoot, but really nothing of substance.
we’ll get the country back in shape and maybe in 50 or 75 years the GOP might get another chance to destroy it. So, Bigfoot, live in hope.
Comment by jb —
September 14th, 2007 at 2:58 amOr maybe the Gross Old Perverts will become extinct as the Federalist Party did.
Let’s see, millions of fugitives, a countrywide powervacuum, totally destroyed infrastructure, a civil war from Saudi Arabia to Iran and chaos in every imaginable field. Yeah, it sure sounds like Bush is successful at helping the Iraqi’s, sounds like your work there is done, Resident Sir. For your next invasion, try Africa, plenty of muslims there as well and you don’t even have to CREATE a powervacuum, destroy the infrastructure or start a civil war…..THE AFRICANS ARE ALREADY THERE. Keep funking up the world USA, you’re #1.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:21 am>The Iraq war will continue to victory,
> no matter who wins the White House. - Bigfwat
Iraq democratically chooses to become a mirror of Iran, and support hamas and hezbollah with our tax dollars. Is that considered “victory”, yes or no?
Figured out the difference between “accountant” and “accountability” yet?
September 14th, 2007 at 4:24 amHahahahah. A perfect snapshot of american today.. illiterate ignorant cretins like this are the ones breeding like cockroaches…
> I got a few smears and lies from bigfoot,
> but really nothing of substance.
Don’t expect much from this guy. His breeding habits resemble that more of a cockroach than a mammal, so why should his intellect be any different?
I think he supports a low, flat tax like Bin Laden does, too.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:27 amTina Susman reports the results of a recent British poll done in Iraq, which concludes that as many as a million Iraqis have died in war-related violence since late March of 2003
http://www.latimes.com/ news/ printedition/ asection/ la-fg-iraq14sep14,1,1207545.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=1&cset=true
September 14th, 2007 at 6:01 amCHENEY HEADING TO CENTRAL COMMAND TODAY IN TAMPA
AIR FORCE IN NATIONWIDE STAND-DOWN TODAY.
THE LAST TIME THERE WAS A NATIONWIDE STAND-DOWN OF ANY GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION, IT WAS NORAD, ON 9/11, AND THE MAN IN CHARGE WAS DICK CHENEY.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY THAT A CIVILIAN HAD EVER BEEN IN CHARGE OF NORAD - AS TESTIFIED TO MY NORM MINETA UNDER OATH BEFORE THE 9/11 COMMISSION.
HE WAS FIRED THE NEXT DAY FOR HAVING TOLD THE TRUTH.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
LAST NIGHT, CHRIS MATTHEWS WENT WAY OUT OF HIS WAY TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL DIRTY BOMB ATTACK INSIDE THE US.
IF IT HAPPENS TODAY - CHENEY DID IT.
GOT MARTIAL LAW?
DICKTATORSHIP?
September 14th, 2007 at 7:05 amThe White House doesn’t have to worry. They seem content on having 35% of the American people behind them for the remainder of the term. These 35% will listen to GW’s words and won’t worry about facts even if they come from the White House itself. GW’s words are their glory.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:44 am>If we leave Iraq, complete chaos will follow,
>and Iran will be the dominant player.
> The leaders of Iran are our sworn enemies
Iran has already become the dominant player in Iraq peacefully, through the ballot box and your purple fingers, you inbred redneck piece of trash.
What part of FREEDOM do you not understand? Did it ever occur to you that giving Iraqis freedom might mean they choose to exercise that freedom by allying themselves with Iran? Noooo that wont happen because like…..uhm…if we kill enough people they will see the virtues of United States idealogy. How do you feel about the democracy the Palestinians chose? was freedom a good thing for them? it was for Hamas..
When Israel was bombing Lebanon who do think they were having mass rallies in Iraq for? Israel? nope….hahahaha.
Maliki said it himself.. If we don’t do what he wants, he can “find friends elsewhere”… guess what.. he already has….
Theres ways to gain power in a country other than through force of arms.
Iran is doing this in Iraq by influencing elections. Thats why the united states is tiptoeing around the Iranian backed cleric Sistani..because he holds so much sway in Iraq.. hes basically the Shia Pope.. and you just gave him and his followers all the freedom to choose to be as islamic as they wanna be.
Why do you think you’re hero reagan was helping saddam gas them 20 years ago?
Oh,and we’re digging ourselves deeper and deeper into debt with CHina, to finance this war to give muslims freedom to be as islamic as they wanna be… China is gaining power over us economically, but then again I dont expect an uneducated peice of trailer trash like yourself to understand the subtleties and complexities of international financial relationships. For example, if the Chinese dumped all the dollars they owned, our economy would crash and burn. Now, thats power that all the guns in the world can’t buy ya…..
September 14th, 2007 at 7:51 amhttp://www.sing365.com/ music/ lyric.nsf/ Bohemian-Rhapsody-lyrics-Queen/ 7416C03B21F50ACD48256894000256A0
A “Smidge” of common-sense
Bohemian Rhapsody Lyrics
Artist(Band):Queen
Review The Song (43) Print the Lyrics
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I’m just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
Because I’m easy come, easy go
little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn’t really matter to me, to me
[…]
Ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters - nothing really matters to me
Anyway the wind blows
No-one here understands | Reviewer: Zacharias
—— About the song Bohemian Rhapsody performed by Queen
Everyone here claims they understand what the song means but never explain it and just say “it makes sense just read the lyrics” & “But then for the first time about two weeks ago i actually listened to the lyrics, and they really surprised me… i wasn’t expecting it to be so touching.” quoting “nicc”. The song is not emo or sad at times you morons, Freddy personaly said he did do research for this song and it had a meaning but he said it was very tongue-in-cheek and made a mockery of the opera. Bohemian Rhapsody is about a young man who has accidentally killed someone & sold his soul to the devil. On the night before his execution he calls for God in Arabic, “Bismillah”, and with the help of angels regains his soul from Shaitan.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:55 amBush’s only real plan for Iraq is to pass his mess over to the next administration and hope that history won’t paint him as the man who “lost” Iraq. I don’t know why Bush could have done any better in Iraq, after all–he took his advice from cut-and-runners like Perle, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Bremer.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:00 amSo, it’s going to go on and on and on… “Nothing but blue skies” — Bush’s take on the Forever War.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:06 amIf you want the truth about the war, as opposed to our President’s morally treasonous chearleading, see the NYT Editorial Page today.
Editorial:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 09/ 14/ opinion/ 14fri1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Paul Krugman:
http://select.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 09/ 14/ opinion/ 14krugman.html?hp
There’s lots more to these articles at the links.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:12 amHey, and with CNN this morning using Laura Ingraham to give commentary on the speech and the Dem response, this will be sold to the masses as Bush drawing down the troops due to our stunning success. It is so fundementally dishonest at this point that the media’s complicity is apparent. I used to think the media was lazy but now I’m convinced otherwise. Any real journalist could pull any number of tapes from this Spring where they were saying troops levels couldn’t be sustained at these levels past next summer whether the surge was a success or not.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:13 amAnd Dems… can you at least start picking some decent speakers to give your responses? Sen. Reed looked like a deer in the headlights–or rather, a kidnap victim being forced to read a statement while the kidnapper had a gun pointed at them off camera.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:17 amAmericans will never cheer the death of innocent people.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:44 am
How many Americans cheered after the bombing of Hiroshima?
September 14th, 2007 at 9:02 amWhen you see a post like this, it lays bare the real reason progressives want the troops home.
Bush indicates troops will be coming home. But, progressives aren’t content with applauding the troop cuts (because they care about the lives of the soldiers), they are more interested with tying the reduction to what they hope observers will see as a failed policy to fuel there partisanship.
If you really cared about the troops you’d be happy about the ones coming home and encourage the return of the rest. Instead, you want to spin any reduction in force into some sick political victory.
How did you work yourselves into a position, in which, you feel your success comes from perceived American failure?
September 14th, 2007 at 9:09 am93… It is most certainly NOT American failure–it is Republican failure–and it is all too real at this point.
September 14th, 2007 at 9:20 amAt Yale, bush always thought when he got a D minus, it was as good as an A, because he didn’t fail.
September 14th, 2007 at 9:43 amOh, havn’t you heard? President Bush’s approval rating is up to 36%, and climbing. O Big Foot in Mouth
Bush’s approval ratings are between 30 and 37 percent depending on who is doing the asking. It’s no surprise that the highest ratings come from Faux Noise and CNN polls.
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
All any bump in his numbers shows is there are still a lot of sheeple in this country who are influenced by propaganda.
September 14th, 2007 at 9:54 amSaddam Hussein violated numerous UN resolutions. The United States was well within it’s legal right to force Hussein’s Iraq into compliance. All Saddam Hussein had to do to avoid invasion was to comply. O Big Foot in Mouth
You know Foot in Mouth, you are a prime case of brainwashing. Anyone who cared to pay attention knows this is a lie. There were weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq when Bush decided that he was going to invade. HE, meaning Bush, pulled the weapons inspectors out and then told the public that Saddam kicked them out.
September 14th, 2007 at 9:57 amBush indicates troops will be coming home. But, progressives aren’t content with applauding the troop cuts (because they care about the lives of the soldiers),
Sorry Paul, all it proves is that progressives aren’t easily duped like you sheeple are. The ONLY reason why Bush is bringing troops home is because he has to unless he is willing to extend the current 15 month tours to a longer tour or bring back the draft. Bush is smart enough to realize that either of those two actions would be suicide, so he is twisting the facts to his advantage, something he has become an expert at.
You, sir, are a brainwashed idiot.
September 14th, 2007 at 10:00 amWhy does ronjazz hate the military?
Comment by O. Bigfoot
ronjazz doesn’t hate the military you do. He wants to get our military out of a hopeless mess that Bush and Company has placed them in. He wants to bring our brave soldiers home.
You, on the other hand, are content to allow our military to continue to fight a battle that can’t be won. You can’t “win” an occupation. You are content to allow our military to be in the middle of a civil war and you are content to allow our young men and women to be killed and maimed. You, sir, are a traitor and a disgrace to human kind.
September 14th, 2007 at 10:05 amBush is obsessed, clearly. He simply can’t and won’t let go of this disaster that he created. he is completely unable to see what is there before him. If he were simply a private citizen, no one would care, but as the Peresident of the United States and Commander in chief, his sick myopia is having DISASTROUS consequences for our country. Thousands of Americans dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, tens of thousands seriously wounded, with injuries that will stay with them the remainder of their lives. Families forever altered. Billions of our money spent on an illegal war that had nothing to do with al Quaeda. The country as a whole will continue to suffer the consequences of his grossly misguided actions. Our reputation in the world lies in tatters. He is delusional to continue on.
September 14th, 2007 at 10:16 amHey junior . . . do us all a favor and go domesticated bird hunting
September 14th, 2007 at 10:21 amwith your Uncle Dick.
Just try and remember to stand closer than his last victim.
“All any bump in his numbers shows is there are still a lot of sheeple in this country who are influenced by propaganda.”
Instead of sheeple effected by propaganda, it is more the effect of progressive propaganda wearing thin after 5 years of predictions of defeat that never materialize.
How’s the impeachment coming along?
September 14th, 2007 at 10:40 am“Why does ronjazz hate the military?
Comment by O. Bigfoot
ronjazz doesn’t hate the military you do. He wants to get our military out of a hopeless mess that Bush and Company has placed them in. He wants to bring our brave soldiers home…
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 14, 2007 @ 10:05 am”
Wrong. ronjazz certainly hates the military. Words mean things. He displays nothing but disgust for our military, stating they are mere murderers of innocent people, and stating that anyone who joins the military is only being sent off to fight for oil. Total bullcrap, of course, but it does betray his true feelings.
And now I must ask you the same question, since you feel you need to answer for ronjazz for some reason (he apparently isn’t capable of answering for himself): Do you concur with ronjazz in hating our military?
September 14th, 2007 at 11:58 am“You know Foot in Mouth, you are a prime case of brainwashing. Anyone who cared to pay attention knows this is a lie. There were weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq when Bush decided that he was going to invade. HE, meaning Bush, pulled the weapons inspectors out and then told the public that Saddam kicked them out.
Comment by bilbogaggins — September 14, 2007 @ 9:57 am”
You just go right on believing this leftist propoganda, bilbo. It keeps you busy while the mainstream is actually running the country.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmmakes sense, coming from a guy who got A’s and B’s in exchange for D work all through school
bigfoot has a stream of pee running down his legs, and he thinks it’s the “main”stream.
September 14th, 2007 at 12:28 pmAh, come on, no one could possibly believe that bush would lie or use our troops for political reasons now do they?
Why is this pathetic excuse of a human-being still president and not in jail?
September 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmYou just go right on believing this leftist propoganda, bilbo. It keeps you busy while the mainstream is actually running the country.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Now your backing the ‘liberal’ press?
September 14th, 2007 at 2:36 pm2.2 million people have fled Iraq Bigfoot, 75% of the doctors have fled, 70% of whats left is unemployed, requiring basically welfare. The nymber of people fleeing a month has gone up from 50k to 60k a month. Their are still no oil contracts, the Maliki government is stagnant, and the INF, 325,000 strong is complacent.
I can see why they would bring the troops home seeing as many of the ‘terrusts’ as George says [potential recruits for extremism] have fled to other countries.
Now tell me how that is a success Bigfoot? They fly some reporters into Baghdad, show them around for four days, and suddenly all these facts, above, dissapear into la la land.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhy do you bash bilbo big? You seem to go right on believing the rightist propaganda.
September 14th, 2007 at 3:32 pmYou claim that the mainstream is actually running the country and yet you holler about the evil “liberal media.”
So what color is the sky in your world?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — September 14, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
I have explained to you many times that Saddam DID comply. He allowed the weapons inspectors in, he did not have any WMD and he gave a 20,000 page report accounting for his past WMD.
The weapons inspectors said they looked every place they could think of, and if the White House could suggest some place to look they would do so. The White House ordered them out.
The White House DID lie. They said Iraq HAD stockpiles of WMD: 500 tons, 42,000 liters and 38,000 liters. The uranium from Africa was a lie. The aluminum tubes was a lie. The meeting in Prague was a lie. The drones was a lie. The ready to launch in 15 minutes was a lie. The ties to al Qaeda was a lie. The shack in the north was a lie. The mobile weapons lab was a lie.
We bugged the Security Council’s phones and when we realized the vote would go 11-4 against the US, we pulled out.
The Downing Street Memo is true. It said the policy of invasion was set in summer of 2002 and the “evidence†would be made up later.
Comment by Keith — September 14, 2007 @ 2:02 am
September 14th, 2007 at 3:56 pmComment by Keith — September 14, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
And this:
Tonight on 60 Minutes, Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of the CIA’s Europe division, revealed that in the fall of 2002, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and others were told by CIA Director George Tenet that Iraq’s foreign minister — who agreed to act as a spy for the United States — had reported that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction program.
Drumheller has also said that he told Tenet to remove information in Powell’s speech to the U.N. that had been gleaned from “Curveball” because he was not a trusted source. Tenet said he would take care of it yet the info was left in the speech.
Bottom line?
DRUMHELLER: The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:08 pmSource for my prev. post is TP. Search the archives for it if anyone so chooses.
September 14th, 2007 at 7:09 pm