Bush To Adopt Warner Drawdown Proposal — Is He ‘Hurting The Cause Of Freedom?’
Bush To Adopt Warner Drawdown Proposal — Is He ‘Hurting The Cause Of Freedom?’
Tonight in his prime time address, President Bush will announce that a “total of 5,700 of the 21,500 combat troops added this year will return by Christmas.”
This plan mirrors an August proposal put forth by Sen. John Warner (R-VA), who called on Bush to announce on Sept. 15 the that he will “initiate the first step in a withdrawal“:
I say to the President, respectfully, pick whatever number you wish. You do not want to lose the momentum. But certainly, in the 160,000 plus — say 5,000 — could begin to redeploy and be home to their families and loved ones no later than Christmas of this year.
Watch it:
Yet on Aug. 23, the White House shot down the prospects of such a drawdown. Asked to respond to Warner, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said, “I think it’s inappropriate for me to say from here right now what the president will or will not consider.” A reporter followed up:
QUESTION: The president has frequently said a timetable would be a disastrous course of action.
JOHNDROE: Yes, and I don’t think that the president feels any differently about setting a specific timetable for withdrawl.
The White House, concerned that the media was reporting that Warner had broken with Bush, “reached out to Warner’s staff and asked him” to back away from his position. But Warner refused to do so, stating he stood by his remarks would not “issue any clarification.”
The right wing also swiftly attacked Warner. Freedom’s Watch spokesman Brad Blakeman claimed Warner’s drawdown “hurts the cause of freedom.” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said of Warner’s call: “I don’t think that’s based on serious military analysis.”
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) said efforts to pre-empt the September White House report were “premature and irresponsible.” Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said, “It’s a little curious to me that people are proposing a change in strategy when in fact the current strategy appears now to be working.”
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Is this a real draw down or will the 5,700 be replaced by another 5,700 troops ?
September 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pmwarner’s an enemy when he says something you don’t want to hear, then your best bud when you co-opt his idea.
If my friends treated me like this, I’d kick their ass.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pmbush still thinks he can fool all the people, all the time. g.o.p. death rattles in November, 2008.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:11 pmPunchy: This Warner is not a total g.o.p. lapdog, but the next senator from Virginia, Mark Warner, will be an incedible improvement.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHow many seats do you think the g.o.p. will lose in 2008?
#4
I don’t know how many they’ll loose, but they have what 14-18 seats up for reelection, and the dems have something like 7. Not look well for the GOP at this point.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:17 pmand the republican plan unfolds….warner is now doing his best specter impression. sheesh. we saw it coming….why cant the congressional dems.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pmThese soldiers were due to come home anyway. The 3rd BDE from here at Fort Lewis was due home in Jun-Jul before they were extended, and were replaced by my old BDE 1/25th IN now 1st CAV REGT in Germany which BTW we replaced in 2004.
Same Soldiers different Unit Identifiers and none of you are suppose to be the wiser. Well know this, the same Soldiers are replacing each other some three and four times, I have done it twice and would have been three times had I not had my retirement approved.
People dont be fooled by this, and you Bush supporters show some honesty for a change and realize that this is a normal rotation.
RIP
September 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
http://www.gregpalast.com/“they-wanted-them-poor-ni99ers-out-of-thereâ€
it’s “gg” not “99″
September 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmJohn Warner finally had his “epiphany” and regained his soul once he decided not to run for reelection, eh?
September 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmTired of Fighting; Some of us are not fooled in the least, and knew the ones coming out were rotating out, to be replaced by others. There are a number of us who post here who are also veterans.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pm#8 take your bigoted drivel out of here. No one is interested in that kind of nonsense.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmEveryone knows that this “rotation” is something which was already planned and has absolutely nothing to do with progress in Iraq. Bush will look like a flaming idiot tonight when he tries to spin more propaganda and bullshit. No american will give a rat’s ass about what he is saying because they know it’s all lies.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThis whole draw down scam is nothing more than a shell game that they expect us dumb voters to buy. What’s really bad about it is most if not all Republicans will buy it. They suffer from group think and can’t seem to see things as they really are. My brother in law is a Republican and he knows all of the talking points that he picked up on Fox News, and the stupid Drudge Report. He’s so brain washed that he’d agree with anything Bush says. I didn’t always agree with Mr. Clinton and ofter disageee with the weak Democrats who run our party and Congress. I think they are afraid of their own shadow and show it time after time. That is actually why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have no business being our leaders. They act as if Bush has a 99 percent approval rating the way they continue to cave in. We need to stand up to them and force them to stand up to Bush or he’ll just roll them again.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI know you do Uncle Ho, and I have seen you battle ignorance on here more than a little bit.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:33 pmBTW Uncle Ho, I appreciate the welcome home comment in the other post, it’s good to finally get there.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pmAll the words and charts in the universe does not change one simple fact: Bush will leave Iraq to the next President. That is a given. His ego will not allow history to judge his failures, so he must place the burden of ‘heavy decisions’ onto to someone else. That way he can always crow about someone else lost Iraq by not following his ‘path to victory’. Mr. Bush is leaving YOUR sons and daughter in Iraq for his own selfish reasons. if you support this, you are a traitor to our country. Please help us stop the war BEFORE Jan 09. Write and call your congresscritters ALL THE TIME. EVERYDAY. Email them EVERYDAY. Do not be a silent enabler to this administration. We can change the course, but we must out shout WaPo, Fox news, limbaugh, coulter, etc…
September 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pmTomorrow the WH will say the opposite, then the next the opposite of tomorrow, and so on and so on and so on
September 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmBush should follow what the generals on the ground think is best. If they want to remove some troops by Christmas, then Bush should agree. Either way, this certainly isn’t some timetable. Bush isn’t cowardly enough to set a date for defeat. I am pretty sure he is still working towards victory for the IRaqi people. They certainly deserve a shot at Democracy and Freedom. It is the least we can do for them. Abandoning them now would be heartless and cause a mass amount of death for the poor peoples of Iraq. I would suggest we allow the generals to fight the war and support them 100%
September 13th, 2007 at 4:45 pmOh please, please, please vote for Hillary………..man I cant wait…..can you imagine the fun we will all have when Hill-dog is Pres (with Willy running his ho’s in and out the back door of the white house) Harry “butt” Reid and Nancy Screwloosie are in charge of the US Military…….. I’m sure Hill will put Dennis Koospinich in as secretary of state. Y he will scare the hog poop out of those terrorist now wont he?
September 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmI’m just all-a-twitter.
Bush isn’t cowardly enough to set a date for defeat
Bush is a cowardly war criminal. Never would fight himself. But causes the deaths of over a million people for a lie.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmThis is pretty much like this commercial.
An underling makes a suggestion at a meeting and is met with stony silence (at least he wasn’t accused of being a traitor, I guess). Then the executive makes the same suggestion, with a hand gesture, and the meeting erupts in cheers.
That’s our CEO President for ya, folks!
September 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmBush is a cowardly snearing frat boy mass murderer
September 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pmIt is the least we can do for them. Abandoning them now would be heartless and cause a mass amount of death for the poor peoples of Iraq. I would suggest we allow the generals to fight the war and support them 100%
Comment by Roger_Roger
Rx2, I normally don’t agree with much of what you write, but your words struck a chord with me. Your comment is human and fair considering the position we put them in. I disagree that Bush will ‘listen’ to the troops or generals. He won’t IMHO. I believe he is using them as fodder, so he can wait out his time. To me, that would be criminal because no actual, functional progress has been made. Maybe on a couple spots, but nothing on the diplomatic front. Anyway, usually I just yell at you. This time I wanted you to know that your post had an impact on me. I’m thinking about what you wrote.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pmBush is a cowardly war criminal. Never would fight himself. But causes the deaths of over a million people for a lie.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
And where did you get that number? If you cant back it up YOU are the liar.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pmwe allow the generals to fight the war and support them 100%
Bull crap. Bush fired all the generals who would stand up to him and tell him the truth, that the war is unwinnable.
Bush needs to be arrested and tried for war crimes.
Vote for Ron Paul if you want to stop this war.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pmChubby
Go look it up yourself. It’s been well researched and documented. I don’t do your work for you. Or maybe you don’t know how to research.
Just google one million deaths Iraq, and you’ll learn something. Or don’t you know what google means.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmTired of Fighting; I know what it’s like to come to scorn. I made the mistake of stopping in the local American Legion post after I got back, and the WWII vets there called us Vietnam vets and I quote here; “candy-ass losers.”
September 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pmSuffice to say, I never joined the Legion or the VFW, but did join up with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War & Vietnam Veterans of America.
My father would never join the WWII vets either. They made him sick to his stomach. They survived and they march around too fat for their uniforms ready to send every young sob to die.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pmI am pretty sure he is still working towards victory for the IRaqi people.
Comment by Roger_Roger
“Pretty sure” losing confidence in your dunce in chief? Bush isn’t a coward- could you really say that with a straight face? I doubt it, you are one delusional assclown if you believe that.
Hey Hill Billy Hill- Last time I checked the “terrarissttss” weren’t exactly quaking in their boots from fear of Bush, the man is an imbecile and incompetent and usually plays into their hands. So STFU idiot!
September 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThe terrorists can be found working in the WH
September 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThe war was unwinnable from day one. Shock and awe slaughtered hundreds of thousands for a lie, for nothing, except the megalomania of a frat boy who wanted to become a mass murdered, just like his Grandfather Prescott’s business partner in crime, Adolf.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:02 pmChubby
Go look it up yourself. It’s been well researched and documented. I don’t do your work for you. Or maybe you don’t know how to research.
Just google one million deaths Iraq, and you’ll learn something. Or don’t you know what google means.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
http://www.truthout.org/ cgi-bin/ artman/ exec/ view.cgi/ 61/ 20726
LIAR!
September 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#8 take your bigoted drivel out of here. No one is interested in that kind of nonsense.
Comment by razzle — September 13, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
I think you should read the article before you judge me.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#23 YOu see, I agree that we should NOT have invaded Iraq. We went in for the wrong reasons and we executed the plan badly. With that said, I believe that when you break something, you fix it. Walking away from the people of Iraq now would be horribly heartless. We walk away and the Iraqi’s lose all chance at freedom, democracy, and peace. We all understand that AQ and other terrorist groups would effectively take over Iraq. That poor country would never enjoy freedom or democracy and in the end, the world would be even a more less safe place.
We made this mess and only a heartless uncaring nation would walk away right now.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:08 pm“Not a single member of Congress yesterday cited the most recent extrapolation of Lancet Report showing that around a million Iraqis have been “sacrificed” by the occupation. In a typical US neighborhood with families averaging four, this would be represented by a funeral in every sixth house.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/goff09122007.html
September 13th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWe made this mess and only a heartless uncaring nation would walk away right now.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Only a heartless uncaring person could twist the facts the way you do to justify more mass murder for a lie.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmI’m going to watch tonight’s speech only for the entertainment and subsequent buzz:
http://reddit.com/info/2p568/comments
I’ll add in Al Qaeda, 9/11 and terrorist as wild drinks.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmon Hardball right now. Bush to call for a permanent security pact with Iraqi government, similar to the Korea commitment. omg, just like we said all along and they denied.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmOnly a heartless, uncaring, cowardly nation would continue to slaughter innocent people rather than admit the truth.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmRoger Roger….It is a Myth that Al Qaeda in Iraq could take over anything. The Majority Shiite’s hate them for blowing up their Mosques and citizens. The Sunni’s have turned on them for their reckless violence and fundamentalist ways. The Kurds won’t tolerate them either.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAnd MOst Importantly…. these Iraqi’s know who Al Qaeda are, and where they are. They are invisible to western troops, but not the residents of Iraqi neighborhoods.
And Finally, there are very few of them…about 5% of insurgents.
Google “the myth of AQI” for more information.
There is no incentive for this administration to “win” in Iraq, to see a stable central government. Liars! If that were to happen, he could not justify the permanent presence he is going to announce tonight.
I am just beside myself. Arabs have always resented the idea. I can’t believe he’s going to do this. Just when I think surely he wouldn’t….he does.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmBush/Bin Laden = Al Qaeda
September 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAl Qaeda, backed by Bush/Bin Laden Group, is positioning itself to invade Iran for the Saudi Wahabis, the most extreme of the Sunnis. That was the purpose of the surge, to allow Al Qaeda to takeover Anbar province, as the staging area for an assault on Iran.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:20 pmOlbermann/Bin Laden = Al Qaeda (new math)
September 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThe math is fairly simple here. After the 2200 Marines and 5700 Soldiers have gone home this December the Troop count will still be over 160,000. These troops are just part of the normal rotation that bloated the troop count to 168,000 this fall. It’s all smoke and mirrors folks. These troops were probably on their way home anyway.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmBush/Bin Laden - old business buddies. The Bin Laden’s bailed the frat boy’s ass our of every failed financial deal he made. Now it’s pay back. And he’s given the Wahabis our soldiers to fight their fight in Iran.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHow does it feel all you Bush backers to know that Bush sold out our soldiers to the Saudis to fight their war against Iran. How does it feel to know your leader has sold out the troops.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmHow does it feel all you Bush backers to know that Bush gives our soldiers to the very same people who bombed the WTC. Our soldiers have become the proxy fighters for Al Qaeda. How does it feel Bush backers to know your leader is a traitor.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBill + Hill = Shrill
September 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmBilly hill/Bush=dumbf#cks
September 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmHOW DOES IT FEEL BUSH BACKERS???????????
Bush sold out the troops to fight the Saudi’s fight in Iran, the Saudis, the ones who bombed the WTC.
HOW DOES IT FEEL BUSH BACKERS??????
September 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmHill + Bill = Hillbilly
September 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDermot-Derliar that last bong hit must have been a good one because you insane rants have reached the level of “stupid” Now grab some chips and go “walk it off”.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmSo which 5,700 soldiers get lucky to come home alive for Christmas?
September 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pm#
warner’s an enemy when he says something you don’t want to hear, then your best bud when you co-opt his idea.
If my friends treated me like this, I’d kick their ass.
Comment by Punchy — September 13, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
how fickle of TP (and true)
September 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pmJust google one million deaths Iraq, and you’ll learn something. Or don’t you know what google means.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Gosh, Dermot, if he googles that will he possibly come to a website that says it is so? The million dead Iraqis figure is propaganda drivel, even the UN says so and they are no friends of Bush’s Iraq agenda. Then again, Bush/Bin Laden together form AQ in your world, so I suppose anything is possible.
Tom, I am somewhere between you and Rx2 politically, probably a bit more right than you’d like, but I do notice you refrain from personal attacks for the most part and actually debate issues, which is really nice. I come to TP to see what the “other side” is thinking, it is often so shrill that I am turned off by it, but it is nice to see that classic liberalism in the RFK sense still has some voices advocating it that rise above playground name calling. Thanks.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pmHillBilly + attempts at humor = yawn
September 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pmNow grab some chips and go “walk it offâ€.
Comment by Billy Hill — September 13, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Still haven’t found that father figure you so desperately seek?
I suggest hanging around some airport men’s rooms, Hillybilly.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmBilly Hill
ANSWER THE QUESTION???
Bush sold out the troops to the Saudis. The ones who bombed WTC.
You support that. You support handing over our troops to die for the Saudi invasion of Iran.
You support that if you support BUsh.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmHere “Joker” this one is just for you……………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypa75axdK6o
September 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmKeltoi
It’s not bs. See my earlier reference. Go read the Lancet reports. You are full of drivel. Go read
September 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWait,
Now you folks want Iran to build nukes? Do you have any plan to prevent this? Germany just backed away from sanctions. If the world fails to stop Iran with Sanctions, do we honestly have any other choice but to stop them ourselves? I can’t imagine anyone thinking it would be ok for Iran to continue their path towards nuke war.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmBilly Hill
Answer the question. Or are you too scared to face the truth about your fuehrer.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI think you should read the article before you judge me.
Comment by flash — September 13, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
no kidding, razzle…
you didn’t recognize the name GREG PALAST in that link?
now you know… lesson learned…
that’s why it’s always a good idea to paste a bit of copy with the link…
September 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmbut that “99″ was a very clever, and respectful, strategy…
…
I can’t imagine anyone thinking it would be ok for Iran to continue their path towards nuke war.
Get off the kool aid. Bush wants Iran to build nukes. He’s goading them to build nukes, to justify his next war crime, which he will commit for his Saudi keepers.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmKeltoi: Don’t preach to us about personal attacks. Or was Karl Rove just an innocent choir boy. The republic party led by “my way or the highway” bush, are masters of smear, attack ads and hate politics.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWhich he will commit for his Saudi lovers. Just remember that kiss on the lips he gave the Saudi prince last year at Crawford. Held his hand and pointed out the flowers. They’re closer than you even want to imagine.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pmDerliar you question is a non sequitur. OIL D.A.!
September 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pmEven a conservative stimate of 100,000 Iraqi civvies dead means that Bush has killed as many Iraqi civvilians as Saddam Hussein killed. Awful, but true.
Human Rights Watch reports that Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam’s needless war with Iran i.e., non-civilian deaths attributable to needless war.
That makes Saddam responsible for 100,000 civilian deaths.
100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths in the Iraq war is a conservative estimate. Bush, who claimed to invade Iraq to save Iraqis from being killed by Saddam, has now killed as many Iraqi civilians as Saddam did.
http://wais.stanford.edu/ Iraq/ iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html
September 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pmNow you folks want Iran to build nukes?
Comment by Roger_Roger — September 13, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
A little off-topic today, Roger? Not quite sure why you’re attempting to drag the whole thread to this. Yer settin’ up more than just a little bit of a straw man here.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pmBilly HIll
You’re a coward just like your fuehrer
September 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pmRoger (X2): Master of the “straw man” argument. No one, you stupid twit, want Iran armed with nuclear weapons. Debate or FO.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:41 pmBush wants Iran to build nukes.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:41 pmEven a conservative stimate of 100,000 Iraqi civvies dead means that Bush has killed as many Iraqi civvilians as Saddam Hussein killed. Awful, but true.
Comment by Arthur C. — September 13, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Perspective: Americans killed over 1 million of EACH OTHER some time back if you will remember. Life goes on?
September 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmWho’s Freedom? The Iraqis freedom to decide what troops are staying in there country? Wait, no, that is up to us.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmPerspective: Americans killed over 1 million of EACH OTHER some time back if you will remember. Life goes on?
Comment by Billy Hill
Spoken like a true nazi
September 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmLife goes on?
Comment by Billy Hill — September 13, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Life ends, Hillybilly, but stupidity, especially in your case, is FORVER!
September 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmFreedom’s Watch is a faux ‘grassroots’ group of DC insiders headed up by Ari Fleischer. Belive nothing they say.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBilly HIll
You’re a coward just like your fuehrer
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
But I have a much quicker “draw”. And a bigger dick.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmAgain Roger Roger. Iran has an address. To think that they would launch a nuclear attack with a few measely missles against a Superpower is ludicrous. Iran is years away from builiding a nuclear weapon, and they want one for protection from an attack by Israel or “axis of evil” Bush.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pmThe best hope to get them to remain non nuclear is a political understanding. The mullahs are paranoid because we DID overthrow the democratically elected Govt. of Iran in 1953 for OIL.
We should start with an apology for that. New leadership for America is probably necessary to work out a political deal with Iran,,,But a military attack on Iran is MADNESS!!!
And Billy Hill, if you’re referring to the Civil War, it was 650,000. GEt your facts straight.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pmBush wants Iran to build nukes.
Comment by Dermot — September 13, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
At this point in time, I’d be more worried about the nukes Pakistan ALREADY has than the nukes Iran MIGHT build down the road.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pmOnly one Nation has ever used Nuclear Weapons on large population centers, you know the real WMD, not the Fantasy Iraq stuff. That same nation could not wait to try the Nukes that it had just invented, and one was not enough. They just had to drop another one. Several nations have developed Nukes since, and not one of them has ever used a single one of theirs on any population.
I can see why the USA feels that it has the moral high ground, and is the proper guardian of Nuclear purity. It is consistent with their Family Values Whore mongering and Men’s bathroom Limbo contests.
Putting the USA in charge of global nuclear chastity is like putting Senators David Vitter and Larry Craig in charge of a global marriage fidelity campaign.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:47 pmBilly Hill
You’ve got nothing. No brains, no guts, no morals, no humor.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:47 pmHillbilly: Usually guys who brag about their “size” are puny, impotent and frustrated. But hey, “life goes on”.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:49 pmDerliar wrong again. If you only knew you would feel worse than you do now, big guy.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmBilly Hill is a typical Bush backer. Dumb, venal, craven, and obsessed with his own genitalia
September 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmIf you only knew you would feel worse than you do now, big guy.
I feel great. You are the one who feels bad. You have to brag about your itty bitty willie
September 13th, 2007 at 5:52 pmYou guys are no better than billy hill by insulting him. Don’t have to admit it, and you’ll probably deny it, but you know it’s true.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:54 pmBilly Hill
Too bad you can’t do a threesome with der fueher, der saudi prince, and yourself.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:54 pmbig bad bush
There’s nothing lower than billy hill sucking up to Bush doing it in the Saudi’s limo while our soldiers die fighting for Bush’s homoerotic dreams.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThanks BBB I dont mind personal insults at all….you see in real life I am old, rich, and have everything except a job and all the time in the world. :)
September 13th, 2007 at 5:58 pmyou see in real life I am old, rich, and have everything except a job and all the time in the world. :)
Comment by Cowboy Billy Hill
Spoken like a true nazi. Go to hell Bill Hill. Oh sorry, you’re already there.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:59 pmBilly Hil
How much a’s f’king did you do for your money? Like your hero Bush, you probably sat back in safety while sending people to their deaths for your pieces of eight.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pmThere is no incentive for this administration to “win†in Iraq, to see a stable central government. Liars! If that were to happen, he could not justify the permanent presence he is going to announce tonight. …
Comment by troqua — September 13, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
picked up a piece of info from randi today…
turns out those bases just happen to be located
in the same areas as the known oil reserves…
huh…
imagine that…
September 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pm…
Man Derliar…..give it up already….back away from you computer and go do some thing nice for someone…….it will make you feel better. Its dinner time so I am headed to my favorite restaurant with my beautiful wife ………….
September 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBilly Hill
When was the moment when you sold your soul for money? Bush’s moment came in his youth. He learned early about how his grandfather sold out his country to the nazis for money.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBilly Hill
I hope you choke on your dinner
September 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pmDermot, you’ve just made yourself look as bad as any other flamer troll here. Is that you Mr. Prez?
September 13th, 2007 at 6:06 pmDermot, you’ve just made yourself look as bad as any other flamer troll here. Is that you Mr. Prez?
Comment by big bad bush
I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think. You have nothing to say about Billy Hill’s nazi crapola. Who the hell are you to judge anybody.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pmYou’re dumb. I’m not defending that guy either btw. Just pointing out that you’re nothing but a lowly troll. I can judge you, because you’re making a fool out of yourself.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:10 pmroger_roger I am pretty sure he is still working towards victory for the IRaqi people.
Would you care to define what “victory” for the Iraqi people looks like? According to them, victory would be the United States leaving their country. The last poll of the people in Iraq showed something like 68% saying that our presence there is making them less safe. Or perhaps victory is having clean drinking water and electricity for more than a few hours a day. We’ve done a bang up job on that one.
You are an idiot and could care less what is good for the Iraqi people. All you want is what Bush wants, to steal their oil. You also don’t care one bit about our troops since you want to keep them there, sitting in the middle of a civil war where they don’t know who is the enemy and who is their friend. I wish there was some way you could be transported to Iraq, outside the green zone, for just one day. My bet is that you would change your tune very quickly. But as long as someone else’s kids are dying, you are fine with it.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI can judge you, because you’re making a fool out of yourself.
I can judge you too. You’re nothing but a squeamish little scaredy cat who wants to place nice with the nazis. Talk nice about the death of a million people. Screw you and your politeness. It’s because of people like you that our country is in the terrible state that it’s in. You should be ashamed of yourself. But you’re not. You think you’re better than me. You’re not. You’re worse. Cause you don’t have the guts to stand up for the truth.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmhaha, you have no idea who i am. I never defended the death of 1 million people, nor did I side with billy. How old are you? I’m guessing 15 or so? I’m not sure what all you said in your latest rant, but I’m sure it was quite amusing and very true. Keep the flaming coming; you’re a real big man aren’t you.
All I can say is that your life must suck if you have to come on here and insult people. I’m glad I’m not you. Do the world a favor and end yourself. Flame me again, I won’t be here to read it, but go ahead if it’ll make you feel better. You are one sad little person.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:16 pmhaha, you have no idea who i am. I never defended the death of 1 million people, nor did I side with billy. How old are you?
Go play with yourself big bad bush and wait until the nazi returns so you can be polite with him. Maybe have an ‘intellectual’ conversation with the nazi about whether Bush should withdraw 1000 or 4000.
You’re pathetic
September 13th, 2007 at 6:17 pmBig bad bush
It’s a good thing that you support the nazi and Bush. Cause the side of truth and justice does not need arseholes like you.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmBig Bad Bush -
You’re like Albert Speer the cultured nazi. He put the ‘good’ face on the nazis. An architect, well educated, he had no qualms using slave labor. A minor issue when he was involved in venerating the Fuehrer.
He probablyl listed to classical music while counting the number of slaves who had just died and needed to be replaced.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:21 pmBut a military attack on Iran is MADNESS!!!
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And a nuclear attack is insane. Anyone besides me very nervous about the fact that our government “accidentally” flew five nuclear warheads across our country to land at the military base that is the staging area for flights to the middle east? I have to say that this scares the hell out of me. If Bush was insane enough to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran, he would start World War III.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:22 pmBig Bad Bush
Run away, just like Bush. Run away from any disagreement. Cause you are gutless, just like Bush.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:22 pmbilbo
Bush is inching towards starting WWIII. He’s itching for it. Finally he will come close to matching his grandfather’s hero, Hitler.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI am upset because I am in the middle of adjusting my meds. I am hoping to feel better tomorrow when I leave the hospital.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:46 pmOn the evening news, they had a piece about the Al Anbar shiek who met with bush in Iraq last year. He was murdered by a roadside bomb near his home.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:48 pmInterestingly. the did not blame Al Qaeda for planting the Bomb….they blamed Iran. Bush is siding with the Sunnis in the civil war in Iraq. This is going to involve Iran, and I don’t like where it is heading.
ooops I meant to say he met with the Shiek last WEEK.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:50 pmBushiva and L’il Dick have been in office too long…
…al Cracker males have run sh*t for too long…
…the run is coming to an end…
September 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pmI’m more worried about the “Effect of Freedom”
We’ve seen what it has done to all of those “jealous of it.”
September 13th, 2007 at 8:31 pmI have a much better plan.
Get ALL our troops out NOW! Then get down on our knees and beg forgiveness from the world’s Nations for electing the biggest f*ck-up this country has every placed in power and pledge to put said leaders in the deepest hole for the rest of their lives and ask for their help in making amends for the death and destruction these megalomaniacs caused.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:10 pm