OK everybody, listen up! From this moment forward whenever we hear anyone use these words, or words like these, in relation to Iraq policy we are to burst into song!

“Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I love ‘ya Tomorrow, ‘yer always a day away”

No matter if the person saying it is on TV or right in front of you. And get everyone you can to sing along with you.

The Alice’s Resturant Anti-masacree Movement Lives!

Sorry, Wayne. But you are again incorrect…From a March 2002 (That is a year before the invasion) article in The Christian Science Monitor:

Taliban-style group grows in Iraq

In the Kurdish north, a new Islamist group with ties to Al Qaeda has killed women without burqas, seized villages.
March 15, 2002

By Catherine Taylor | Special to The Christian Science Monitor

HALABJA, NORTHERN IRAQ – A radical Islamist group – with possible links to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein – is growing and threatening the stability of the Kurdish region in northern Iraq.
The group – Ansar al-Islam – emerged just days before the Sept. 11 attacks on the US. It delivered a fatwa, or manifesto, to the citizens in mountain villages against “the blasphemous secularist, political, social, and cultural” society there, according to Kurdish party leaders.

Since, Ansar al-Islam has nearly doubled in size to 700, including Iraqis, Jordanians, Moroccans, Palestinians, and Afghans – a composition similar to the multinational Al Qaeda network. Villagers here claim it has ransacked and razed beauty salons, burned schools for girls, and murdered women in the streets for refusing to wear the burqa. It has seized a Taliban-style enclave of 4,000 civilians and several villages near the Iran border.

With the US dedicated to rooting out Al Qaeda’s influence wherever it surfaces in the world, a group of Islamic extremists in northern Iraq with even loose ties to Al Qaeda could complicate further any Iraq intervention.

“Why not go to boot camp?”

Comment by kenoshaMarge — September 13, 2007 @ 2:52 pm

O’Hanlon can’t join the military because we need his wisdom and advice at home.

/sarc off

Well, who we gonna believe the president or some anonymous poster named “gummitch”?

gummitch, hands down.

gummitch has consistently shown himself to be accurate, honest, and reliable. Chimpy, on the other hand, has consistently shown himself to be the exact opposite.

You liberals confound me.

That much is obvious.

Comment by Exley — September 13, 2007 @ 5:27 pm

Al Qaeda is not in Iraq at all. Al Qaeda In Iraq is how one local Sunni group, with an Islamic slant, characterizes themselves, but it is not the same Al Qaeda currently active in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

If the surge is only about fighting Al Qaeda, it’s either in the wrong damn country, or it’s directed at what is a tiny (if virulent) minority of the Sunni insurgency, which is itself a fraction of the militants fighting either the US occupation or some other Iraqi militants.

As for AQ in Afghanistan/Pakistan I like what Barak Obama had to say. It was something Bush had originally said when we would hold those who harbor AQ responsible as well. Remember that? Funny how the right attempted to chastize Obama for stating what Bush had already vowed to do.

I’m afraid you’re wrong there, Exley. There is no room for debate about the presence of al Qaeda in Iraq (AGII) before the invasion – they did not exist! And Bush’s lies in which he claims that they are the same people who attacked us on 9/11 has also been debunked repeatedly. They are NOT the same al Qeada that attacked us. They didn’t even pledge their loyalty until late 2004, well after we invaded Iraq. The fact of the matter is, Exley, that our invasion of Iraq and destruction of its government made the existence of the AQII group possible in the first place.

And breathing room for the Iraqi government was one of the excuses for why the surge was necessary.

“there were no AQ in Iraq prior to our invasion of Iraq don’t you? There were people who had trained in one capacity or another at AQ camps but weren’t considered AQ. They are now home grown because of our invasion.”

I think there is some room for debate on those points, but let’s set that aside for now. I will agree that Al Qaeda is a stronger presence in Iraq now than before the liberation. But they ARE there now. And accordingly we need to fight them there (as well as Afghanistan/Pakistan).

Again, I don’t disagree with you. You’re (mostly) right.