Wash. Times Claims Increased GOP Unity On Iraq, Ignores New Anti-War Conservative
Wash. Times Claims Increased GOP Unity On Iraq, Ignores New Anti-War Conservative
In an article this morning, the Washington Times is claiming that the recent testimony by Gen. David Petraeus has “bolstered” Republican unity in support of President Bush’s Iraq policy. The piece, written by S.A. Miller, quotes House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) as saying “his caucus is considerably more unified” on Iraq following Petraeus’ report:
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, Missouri Republican, said his caucus is considerably more unified on the war issue following the report by Gen. Petraeus and Ryan C. Crocker, U.S. ambassador to Iraq. [...]
“We’ve taken a different approach than [Democrats] have on Iraq from the very start,” said Mr. Blunt. “They saw Iraq as a political issue, and we saw it as both a security issue and an issue that had to be above politics for our members.”
The article concludes from Blunt’s comments that “the fact that few if any members of Congress are shifting their position likely signals a replay of Democratic losses in past war debates.” But Miller never mentions that on the second day of Petraeus’ testimony, Rep. Jim Walsh, a member of the House Republican caucus, actually changed his position on Iraq, calling for troop withdrawals to begin:
Rep. Jim Walsh, in a dramatic break with the White House, returned Monday from a trip to Iraq saying it’s time to bring troops home and stop funding the war. [...]
“Before I went, I was not prepared to say it’s time to start bringing our troops home,” Walsh said. “I am prepared to say that now. It’s time.”
Walsh’s announcement came as Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, told House members that the troop “surge” has made progress.
But Walsh said he saw little evidence that much has changed in Iraq since he last visited four years ago.
As Steve Benen noted recently, Walsh is one of 11 “moderate” Republicans who “gave President Bush a blunt warning on his Iraq policy” in May “that conditions needed to improve” in Iraq “or more Republicans would desert him on the war.”
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Funny how Ron Paul is glossed over when you refer to republicans and anti-war.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:35 amPerhaps Walsh just needs a little waterboarding to set him straight!
September 13th, 2007 at 11:36 amSwiftboating of Walsh in 3…2…1…
September 13th, 2007 at 11:36 amI don’t get how this is controversial or anything. Blunt is right.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:41 amOnly a handful of Reps don’t support the war and everything Bush decides to do regarding it. There is a great deal of unity on their side. There has been from the start.
He says that to the Republic Party Iraq is “an issue that had to be above politics for our members.”
BS. The only reason Bush invaded Iraq was to give his poll numbers a boost. It backfired, and now thousands upon thousands are dead, and a trillion dollars will go down the toilet. No wonder all my associates who used to vote GOP are furious at Bush: he’s destroyed their party. What a vile piece of garbage that man is.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:42 amBut if Blunt believes it to be a “security issue” like he says, then why push to stay the course when even the general in charge doesn’t know if America is any safer from being there?
September 13th, 2007 at 11:43 ama comment, and sorry, I know I have asked before.
Could you all provide a completely unique perspective on the stories by having a fact bar or column of some kind?
ie: Washington Times, newspaper
owned by sung myung moon, right wing spokes news paper
run by religious zealots, forced loyalty of any employee to the religion to be employee
fact percentage correct: 32%
created to affect political policy in the US to benefit Rev’d up Moon’s business and ties to South and North Korea business dealers
works with communist governments, denounces same
etc.. it really would be an interesting change to see one site list known facts that can’t be argued. some times, the basic facts tell it all. It doesn’t need comment, just unadulterated truth.
It would be a refreshing footnote to allow proof to spread, rather than only a subjective reporting of data. A site link might be a good option?
just my four cents, thanks
September 13th, 2007 at 11:44 amThis Moonie newspaper would report that the earth is flat if it’s what their readership wants to hear. I’m sure that in their view, Walsh is irrelevant — maybe not even considered a “real Republican” anymore since he broke ranks.
When enough Republicans agree with Walsh that Bush’s vetos can be overridden, then the Times will have to face reality. Until then, they can report on the unity of the GOP, since that’s effectively the way things still pretty much are.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:49 am…
this is why a major energy should be placed on the republics…
we need to be contacting any moderates to get them to see that
ending this madness is the only direction… and soon!
they have to be re-elected also… let them know you are watching
September 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amand want them to end the occupation, and begin the rebuilding…
…
oldtree
just my four cents, thanks
Accounting for inflation and the weakening of the dollar?
September 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amRev. Moon has spoken….bow down GOP.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:50 amHah! The GOP is falling apart.. Only a matter of time until they’re extinct as they should be!
September 13th, 2007 at 11:51 amAnd the loyal GOP faithful keeps guzzling down the kool-aid.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amBushes new found friend in iraq KILLED TODAY
A prominent Iraqi Sunni tribal leader, who has been working with the US against al-Qaeda in Iraq in al-Anbar province since last year, has been killed, state television reported.
Sattar Abu Risha was reportedly killed by a roadside bomb outside his home in the city of Ramadi on Thursday.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D96CE9FB-826E-45DD-828D-C23EA5787E19.htm
September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amThe guy is obviously a dope — just look at him!
September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amHaha!! Drink up!! Follow your clueless leader you sheep! Bush doesn’t care about you, he only cares about himself and his money! You’re all going down because of him!
September 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI agree with Wilco. GOP unity on the war has been impressive, especially given that the war has quite obviously turned into a catastrophic failure. I am sure that most Congressional Republicans know this, but have decided on party unity above country. The moral calculus behind this is despicable, but in the end it will doom the GOP. They have nowhere to go but down from here.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pmCompromise on Oil Law in Iraq Seems to Be Collapsing
September 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pmLike any particularly nasty over full toilet bowl, there may be a few floaters and turds clinging to the sides….may require two flushes. Talk about spin….these GOPers must be getting dizzy.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:08 pmThey’ll get to Walsh — in no time, he’ll be looking to withdraw his comments. Perhaps he was against the occupation of Iraq before he was for it?
September 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI doubt the Iraqi’s are stupid enough to let the oil rip off agreements pass.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmEven Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) — still considered a dark-horse nominee — agreed that Democrats are unlikely to fast-track a confirmation because they had called for Gonzales’s quick ouster. The White House “doesn’t understand these people up here,†Hatch said.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmLarry sez:
Good question, Larry. Why don’t you write up and submit the story?
September 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmHmmmm….
TP, why did you delete “Larry”’s question regarding Hsu?
It may have been a bit off-topic, but it was still valid.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:18 pmGive the Republicans credit, they will keep singing their own praises no matter what. To bad nobody else sees what they are seeing. Iraq is a failure on so many different levels and all you will hear from the right is that we are making “progress.” I live in the middle east and have a couple of friends working in Iraq and trust me when I say this, there hasn’t been any progress over there. It’s gotten worse everyday over the last couple of years. I find it laughable that they will point to statistics and charts to make the point of how things are getting better. All these charts and graphs are is the beginning of an exit strategy. The President cannot leave until things are good. So the military wing is going to give them a good ending, on paper that is. That way they can turn around and tell the American people everything was good when we left and they get their empty paper victory. Iraq will still fall apart and the region will still have a serious issue to deal with.
Sorry for the babbling….
http://www.beforeyougopostal.com/MainForum/
September 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pmtrip – you can read all you want of the hsu story at google news…
September 13th, 2007 at 12:24 pm…
Rep. Blunt said this before the tribal leader was killed in Iraq today. Now al-Anbar is NOT the success story that Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker have been spewing to the Congress and the press. White House is rewriting Bush’s speech tonight to claim Osama killed the tribal leader.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:25 pmYEAH!!! Censorship is fun!!
September 13th, 2007 at 12:25 pmThe guy is obviously a dope — just look at him!
Comment by Cynicon Implant — September 13, 2007 @ 11:58 am
he does look like a Bush, now that you mention it.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWPruden@washingtontimes.com, FCoombs@washingtontimes.com,
TAgres@washingtontimes.com, GEtnyre@washingtontimes.com,
TBlankley@washingtontimes.com, MForbes@washingtontimes.com
September 13th, 2007 at 12:29 pm“The guy is obviously a dope — just look at him!”
Comment by Cynicon Implant
And his breath stinks, and… he’s got cooties!
Some of us never leave Jr. High.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:29 pmactually, walsh didn’t wait for the second round of the petraeus sham. he tipped his hat monday night. we wrote about it here:
Walsh Bailing on “Surge”, Will Support Withdrawal, Oppose Funding .
September 13th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWell there it is, a republican straying from the flock which is proof that its time to run away.
I suppose I could use the liberal standard of treatment for those who dont follow the party lead and call him a traitor, loser, bootlicker etc. etc. (think Lieberman and Baird), but instead Ill just say that he has decided to see things differently and thats the way it is.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:36 pmkaty sez:
That’s not the point, katy. My point is that Larry’s post asking why there wasn’t any mention of Hsu here wasn’t answered, and it wasn’t ignored. It was deleted. Why does posing such a question merit such ruthless censorship?
September 13th, 2007 at 12:37 pmMatt – Please stop being a moron. The media runs puff pieces on any anti-war Republican every chance they get. Hagel, Warner, Snowe – that mouthpiece from North Carolina.. Puh-leeze!!
The fact is, TP can’t fathom a scenario where an American might actually support the war our leader sent us to.
TP = Libro-facsists. If you weren’t such cowards, America should fear the ethnic cleansing of conservatives and Christians.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:38 pmSome of us never leave Jr. High.
Comment by barfly — September 13, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
You got that right, sister, reference the following:
he does look like a Bush, now that you mention it.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by ronjazz — September 13, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Sadly, I agree with Japaner on this. These few strays really don’t effect anything. And it’s not as though they actually vote against the party line. I really don’t think it indicates any major shift in the Republican party.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:39 pmAnd there are always dissenters, just not so many Reps these past few years. That a mere handful are coming forward now really doesn’t mean anything
“ruthless censorship”??? … my my my…
how ’bout because is was WAY off topic and covered EVERYWHERE ELSE… and because, as you know, it was only meant to start a
September 13th, 2007 at 12:41 pmclinton flame war… what’s YOUR objective?
…
This is wrong for so many reasons but the main one is this: They didn’t see Iraq as “a political issue”, they saw it as a Unitary Executive issue. And you didn’t see it as “both a security issue and an issue that had to be above politics for our members,” you saw it as both a Right-Wing-Authoritarian-Do-Whatever-The-President-Says issue and an excuse to politicize 9/11 and claim the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with those attacks. You, sir, are an idiot!
September 13th, 2007 at 12:41 pmTP = Libro-facsists.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince
Ignorance of the meaning of words can make people really look foolish. I suggest being more informed inthe future.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:43 pmWe are at war with Eastasia.
We have *always* been at war with Eastasia.
Listen to Big Brother!
September 13th, 2007 at 12:43 pm#39 – no, we’re just not hate filled Americans who get off on seeing soldiers die so President Bush’s numbers go down. You do. You are a hateful person who HATES the military and the troops.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:43 pm#40 – I suggest you stop cheering for the enemy. PIG.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:44 pmCALL & WRITE THE REPUBLIC REPS!
TELL THEM THEY LOST YOUR VOTE
IF THEY DON’T BACK THE WEBB BILL
AND/OR BRING THE TROOPS HOME.
IT’S THAT EASY. CALL THEM. WRITE THEM.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pm.
What a bad week for libs!! It must have been like Ollie North returning! General Petraeus ran rings around the lib traitors and in fact caused Rep. to band together even more.
Reid and Pelosi are going crazy because, since last year’s supposed referendum on Iraq, they haven’t been able to achieve anything but the worst polling numbers in history!!
This just goes to show that the American people basically have conservative values and that liberals are totally out of step with most people.
2008 will be great!!
September 13th, 2007 at 12:49 pm#40 – I suggest you stop cheering for the enemy. PIG.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince
You’re right. I will stop cheering for the Neo-cons even thought they are the enemy of America. It isn’t nice actually. They can self destruct all by themselves. They do not need my encouragement.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI am going to disagree with TP on this one. This isn’t the first Republican to “say” something against Iraq. Many Republicans have spoken against Iraq.
What matters is not what they SAY, but what they DO. So far the chickenhawk REpublicans have done nothing and even gone so far as to obstruct any Democratic action that supposedly does what they CLAIM to support.
I think the Times is right. Until I actually see a REpublican back up their words with action, they are still united.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:51 pmH-W-V – we know who the enemy truly is:
YOU, the brainless, over-stimulated attack dogs of the right.
You Right Wing Authoritarian followers who blindly swallow every talking point fed to you by your cynically manipulative evil leaders.
You kool-aid-intoxicated lemmings who march boldly into the sea at the behest of your Dear Leader, biting and clawing at anyone who tries to stop you from drowning.
I pity you.
I will still fight you – to the death if necessary, but I still pity you. You are simply being manipulated – and you’re too frightened – and stupid – to know it.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:55 pmkaty sez:
Yes, “ruthless censorship”. I stand behind the phrase.
First, I acknowledged that it was off-topic. There’s plenty of off-topic posts here at TP, but they aren’t usually deleted. What made this one so censor-worthy?
Second, I’m pretty sure that “EVERYWHERE ELSE” is an exaggeration. Moreover, I’m also pretty sure that all topics posted here at TP are covered somewhere else…does that mean that we just shouldn’t discuss anything here? Again, why are other topics (that are obviously covered in other venues) considered worthy of discussion, while this particular topic was not only not deemed worthy of discussion, but merited quick deletion?
Third, it takes (at least) two to tango. My only response to “Larry”
was to advise him to submit a blog post concerning the topic. If the TP admins subsequently chose not to post the topic, then “Larry” could take it up with them off-thread. But for some reason, it seems that the TP admins would rather no one so much as think about the Hsu story…again, why does this particular topic merit such a complete and drastic expungement?
My “objective”? My “objective” was an inquiry into why a particular topic seems to be verboten here, at a site that is allegedly about the free exchange of ideas.
What’s YOUR objective?
September 13th, 2007 at 1:01 pmThe fact is, TP can’t fathom a scenario where an American might actually support the war our leader sent us to.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince
If true, it’s only because TP can’t fathom how any American could be so brain dead stupid as to believe the load of lies and bs the co-presidents unleashed on the nation to gain support for an unnecessary, internationally illegal war. And if you believe that the invasion of Iraq was either justifiable or legal, then may I suggest that it is you who should “stop being a moron”.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:01 pmTMM,
I, too, am curious as to what the facts are regarding Mr. Hsu, and his connections to any and all Democrats. And is there any connection whatsoever to the past problems that the Clinton WH had with illegal campaign contributions. Like you, I want the truth, too.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHillary whacked Vince sez (to Wayne):
HWV, you just called the wrong person a troop-hater…
September 13th, 2007 at 1:05 pm“The guy is obviously a dope — just look at him!â€
Comment by Cynicon Implant
And his breath stinks, and… he’s got cooties!
Some of us never leave Jr. High.
Comment by barfly
You made my point. All the folks here who talk about “chimpy” and Bush’s stupid looking face are simply being childish and should be ignored.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:05 pmWhat an ironic fellow that Blunt guy is, accusing Democrats of using Iraq as a political issue. He’s such a funny guy. After all, the Iraq reconstruction, the justice dept, all fed departments and appointments, were enacted under a political litmus test.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:11 pmWayne A. Schneider sez:
That’s all I’m looking for. A rational discussion of the topic on a thread here would also serve to stop all the trolls yammering about it on other threads…we could tell them to take it to the thread dedicated to the topic, and stop trying to derail non-related threads with the issue. Unfortunately, since TP is mysteriously silent on the issue, this isn’t an option, and the trolls’ complaints of “why is TP ducking this story” are legitimized.
Additionally, it’s one thing to refuse to cover a topic, but it’s another thing entirely to censor a poster for daring to call attention to the fact that you’re avoiding the topic. I thought TP was going to be better than this, but perhaps I gave them too much credit.
Thank God we have TPZoo, so we have a forum for discussing issues TP would rather we not compare notes on.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:11 pmi’m just hear to read and learn, trip…
September 13th, 2007 at 1:12 pmTP must have missed this today:
Public Gives Bush Slight Reprieve
Wall Street Journal
By JOHN HARWOOD
September 13, 2007; Page A6
WASHINGTON — Public discontent with the Iraq war has eased slightly, a new Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows, suggesting President Bush may have a little more maneuvering room at a critical point in debates over war costs and troop levels.
As Mr. Bush prepares to follow congressional testimony by the top general in Iraq, David Petraeus, with a televised speech to the nation tonight, the poll shows an uptick in support for the president’s handling of the war as well as a small increase in the proportion of Americans who believe the troop surge is helping and that victory remains possible.
[T]he gains come as welcome news for the White House as it seeks to hold enough Republican congressional support to sustain Mr. Bush’s Iraq policy through the end of his term.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#39 – no, we’re just not hate filled Americans who get off on seeing soldiers die so President Bush’s numbers go down. You do. You are a hateful person who HATES the military and the troops.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince — September 13, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Before I respond to this, was this directed at me? Because on my screen, my comment is listed as number 39. BTW, if you’re going to address someone like that, it’s helpful to simply copy the entire timestamp (not just the name and date, like some morons do). That way we know to whom your invective is directed.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:18 pmI, too, am curious as to what the facts are regarding Mr. Hsu, and his connections to any and all Democrats. And is there any connection whatsoever to the past problems that the Clinton WH had with illegal campaign contributions. Like you, I want the truth, too.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Good for you Wayne. You are an honest progressive. I’d suggest holding your nose and going to some conservative websites to see what their view is. There’ll be a mix of fact and opinion but I believe you’ll get a more skeptical view than the NY Times will give you who simply says “it is all a great mystery but there’s really nothing to see here folks os let’s move along”
September 13th, 2007 at 1:18 pmThank God we have TPZoo, so we have a forum for discussing issues TP would rather we not compare notes on.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — September 13, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
exactly! … there ya go!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:20 pm.
“This just goes to show that the American people basically have conservative values and that liberals are totally out of step with most people.
2008 will be great!!”
Comment by Harry The Body — September 13, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
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A new name, Mr. P? No matter. If you are citing the Washington Times as “proof” of the conservative values Americans have, then you are deluded. 2008 WILL be great. For us, as America sweeps the neocons out of power. And a complete surprise for you.
It appears a clear majority of Americans disagree with you:
57% = Americans who believe we made a mistake in invading Iraq (AP/Ipsos poll, Sept. 6-9)
71% = Americans who disapprove of Bush’s handling of Iraq (CBS/NY Times poll, Sept. 4-8)
59% = Americans who believe the removal of Saddam Hussein from power was not worth the loss of American life and other costs of attacking Iraq (CBS/NY Times poll, Sept. 4-8)
That’s an awful lot of people “out of step”.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:23 pmSteven Miller ,
Chris Dolan
September 13th, 2007 at 1:23 pmComment by Cynicon Implant — September 13, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Thank you, CI, but I doubt I’ll learn many facts from the conservative websites. If you’ve ever read David Brock’s excellent book “The Republican Noise Machine”, you would know that the truth is the last thing that today’s modern conservative movement wants out there. When they are wrong on an issue (whether legally or morally or, as is often the case, both), they attempt to muddy the debate with falsehoods just so that people react with, “Well I hear this on the one hand and that on the other, now I don’t know what the truth is.” They aren’t trying to persuade, they are trying to confuse. And no, I don’t take the NYT as the gospel truth, either (thanks to the likes of Judith miller.)
September 13th, 2007 at 1:30 pm2008 will be great!! Comment by Harry The Body — September 13, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
This sounds so eerily like KKKarl’s predictions of the repugs hanging onto both houses of Congress in 2006 — and many of Mr. Pee’s own predictions of the neo-fascists remaining in control as well. All of which, of course, turned out to be utter lunacy as we’ve come to expect from the right wingnuts like Mr. Pee and his various personae.
See if you can pay attention as we talk very, very slowly, moron: the days of you and your ilk are numbered. January 2009 is the dawning of the return of democracy and intelligence in foreign and domestic policy to this country, once we eliminate the vermin that are currently infesting the Executive Branch of our government and attempting to further their theocratic monarchy.
Whoops — obviously I’ve used WAY too many big words for the reich wingers. Let me try again:
January 2009: See ya, losers.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmAnd no, I don’t take the NYT as the gospel truth, either (thanks to the likes of Judith miller.)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Or Jason Blair for that matter.
I’m a pretty skeptical guy, Wayne, and what I have found is that the right is just as opinionated as the left but at least they don’t make things up and spout them as fact (see Rather, Blair, Rosie, Maher). I think you are reading too much into the conservative noise machine — its purpose is not to confuse so much as to refute the liberal viewpoint that so dominates our airwaves via the MSM and Hollywood.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by Cynicon Implant — September 13, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
You gotta warn people before you post a side-splitter like that, CI…I thought the bit about the right not making things up and spouting them as fact was funny, but then you followed that with the classic “liberal media” chestnut! I almost ruptured something, I was laughing so hard…
Pure comedy gold, CI….you really should take your act to Vegas.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:51 pmagreed, trip… that one was rich!
September 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pmbut i’m too angry about such ignorance to be laughing…
glad someone can though…
…
missmolly – Truman had low poll numbers too. So did Bush’s daddy.
If Democrats governed from their heart and not the polls, they would have never voted us into this war. All they have done is slander the military day in and day out.
There is a special place in hell for Think Progress. Burn, you SOBs!
September 13th, 2007 at 2:34 pmComment by Cynicon Implant — September 13, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Sorry, friend, but you would know if you read the book that the right deals almost exclusively with deceptions to attain their goals, and far, far more than anyone on the left does.
And spouting lies that black is white is not “refuting” the left, it’s lying, plain and simple. It’s what Limbaugh does, it’s what the Washington Times does, it’s what the National Review does, its what Fox Nuts Channel does, it’s what most of the conservative media does. They can’t win arguments based on the facts, so they either make crap up, distort what’s out there, or attack their opponents. But they do not often provide solid, verifiable evidence (and leaking a story to the NYT and then citing that story is not “backing up their claims”, it’s quoting them, which is what they did with Judith Miller) that they are telling the truth.
September 13th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWayne, Wayne, Wayne….You have excellent taste is baseball teams, but you couldn’t be more wrong here.
“When they are wrong on an issue (whether legally or morally or, as is often the case, both), they attempt to muddy the debate with falsehoods…”
That is a perfect description of ThinkProgress. Catching TP in its sloppy and dishonest representation of the facts is a full-time job. Just this week, for example, I have caught them lying about the undeniable success of the surge and Gen. Petraeus. Don’t get me wrong…It brings me much amusement when I expose TP’s lies or sloppiness. But to hold up this site and other left-wing sites as legitimate and truthful sources of new is really quite funny.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pmExley,
Would you like to expand on your assertion that the surge is a success? We’d really like to see your reasoning on this one.
Don’t forget to post links to facts supporting your position.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmTripMaster,
I have answered you on the O’Hanlon thread.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by Amanda = Smear Queen — September 13, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
At the risk of feeding a troll, I’ll address your statements:
“missmolly – Truman had low poll numbers too. So did Bush’s daddy.”
– Yes, and both of them were succeeded by somebody from the opposite party. Which was exactly my point — Bush will be, too.
“If Democrats governed from their heart and not the polls, they would have never voted us into this war.”
– So now it’s the DEMOCRATS’ fault we’re in this war? It’s true that some voted to give Bush the power to use force if he thought it was necessary — votes many regret today. But I’d like to point out that far more Republicans voted to give him that authority, AND the Repubs were in control of both houses of Congress at the time. Nice effort at shameless spin, though.
“All they have done is slander the military day in and day out.”
– Um…how? Do you even know what the word “slander” means — other than as a currently fashionable label for wingnuts to fling around randomly? The Dems have shown more support for the troops than the Repubs have, by supporting the Webb amendment, calling for a bigger pay increase than Bush was willing to give, demanding armored vehicles, etc. If you have specific examples of actual slander by the Democratic party, please share them.
“There is a special place in hell for Think Progress. Burn, you SOBs!”
– Nice support of free speech there. And that last epithet was especially mature.
OK — done playing with the troll now.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pmWe’ll soon get to see the Repukes who are lying their asses off about the war. It will be the ones who are NOT up for reelection in 08. Those whose seats are up or who have decided not to run again, like Warner et al, will suddenly grow some balls and have a spiritual conversion to sudden honesty. The people will be “taking names” of those war mongers, unpatriotic war profiteers in Congress who are still voting “yes” and they will be ousted from their cushy little seats next time around.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pmmissmolly: Don’t worry. It’s not “slander” if it’s true facts. It’s only when fiction is paraded as fact that it can be slander. The wingnuts drinking their bugjuice like to foist the term around but it only shows their ignorance and lack of intelligence when they do.
If it’s fact, it’s definitely not slander. The GOP and the Bush Cabal has sooooo much disgusting and criminals “facts” surfacing that they’re only wishing it was “just fiction”.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pm…jimmie, they hardly knew ye.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:35 pm> Public Gives Bush Slight Reprieve
numbers? is the uptick bigger than the margin of error?
> Just this week, for example, I have caught them
> lying about the undeniable success of the surge
Lying like “we know where the weapons are”..”we know without a doubt that saddam has WMD”…? “I never said iraq was an imminent threat”…?
Undeniable huh?
Uh huh… civilians deaths arent down. Attacks arent down. Anybody who gets their picture taken with bush ends up dead….is that success too?
Exley, I hate to burst your bubble… but those…terrorists who used to be fighting us in Anbar.. we PAID them to stop attacking us. So much for not negotiating with terrorists huh? You can claim things are “undeniable” all you want, you can boast that a bush has gained support almost surpassing the polls margin of error, but nothing you assert is going to change reality.
If things are going so well, why do all the people on your side with military experience seem to be jumping ship? Warner, Hagel, Bapsiste? You think you know more than they do?
September 14th, 2007 at 4:05 am