numbers? is the uptick bigger than the margin of error?

> Just this week, for example, I have caught them
> lying about the undeniable success of the surge

Lying like “we know where the weapons are”..”we know without a doubt that saddam has WMD”…? “I never said iraq was an imminent threat”…?

Undeniable huh?
Uh huh… civilians deaths arent down. Attacks arent down. Anybody who gets their picture taken with bush ends up dead….is that success too?

Exley, I hate to burst your bubble… but those…terrorists who used to be fighting us in Anbar.. we PAID them to stop attacking us. So much for not negotiating with terrorists huh? You can claim things are “undeniable” all you want, you can boast that a bush has gained support almost surpassing the polls margin of error, but nothing you assert is going to change reality.

If things are going so well, why do all the people on your side with military experience seem to be jumping ship? Warner, Hagel, Bapsiste? You think you know more than they do?

If it’s fact, it’s definitely not slander. The GOP and the Bush Cabal has sooooo much disgusting and criminals “facts” surfacing that they’re only wishing it was “just fiction”.

At the risk of feeding a troll, I’ll address your statements:

“missmolly – Truman had low poll numbers too. So did Bush’s daddy.”
– Yes, and both of them were succeeded by somebody from the opposite party. Which was exactly my point — Bush will be, too.

“If Democrats governed from their heart and not the polls, they would have never voted us into this war.”
– So now it’s the DEMOCRATS’ fault we’re in this war? It’s true that some voted to give Bush the power to use force if he thought it was necessary — votes many regret today. But I’d like to point out that far more Republicans voted to give him that authority, AND the Repubs were in control of both houses of Congress at the time. Nice effort at shameless spin, though.

“All they have done is slander the military day in and day out.”
– Um…how? Do you even know what the word “slander” means — other than as a currently fashionable label for wingnuts to fling around randomly? The Dems have shown more support for the troops than the Repubs have, by supporting the Webb amendment, calling for a bigger pay increase than Bush was willing to give, demanding armored vehicles, etc. If you have specific examples of actual slander by the Democratic party, please share them.

“There is a special place in hell for Think Progress. Burn, you SOBs!”
– Nice support of free speech there. And that last epithet was especially mature.

OK — done playing with the troll now.

I have answered you on the O’Hanlon thread.

Would you like to expand on your assertion that the surge is a success? We’d really like to see your reasoning on this one.

Don’t forget to post links to facts supporting your position.

“When they are wrong on an issue (whether legally or morally or, as is often the case, both), they attempt to muddy the debate with falsehoods…”

That is a perfect description of ThinkProgress. Catching TP in its sloppy and dishonest representation of the facts is a full-time job. Just this week, for example, I have caught them lying about the undeniable success of the surge and Gen. Petraeus. Don’t get me wrong…It brings me much amusement when I expose TP’s lies or sloppiness. But to hold up this site and other left-wing sites as legitimate and truthful sources of new is really quite funny.

Sorry, friend, but you would know if you read the book that the right deals almost exclusively with deceptions to attain their goals, and far, far more than anyone on the left does.

And spouting lies that black is white is not “refuting” the left, it’s lying, plain and simple. It’s what Limbaugh does, it’s what the Washington Times does, it’s what the National Review does, its what Fox Nuts Channel does, it’s what most of the conservative media does. They can’t win arguments based on the facts, so they either make crap up, distort what’s out there, or attack their opponents. But they do not often provide solid, verifiable evidence (and leaking a story to the NYT and then citing that story is not “backing up their claims”, it’s quoting them, which is what they did with Judith Miller) that they are telling the truth.

If Democrats governed from their heart and not the polls, they would have never voted us into this war. All they have done is slander the military day in and day out.

There is a special place in hell for Think Progress. Burn, you SOBs!

You gotta warn people before you post a side-splitter like that, CI…I thought the bit about the right not making things up and spouting them as fact was funny, but then you followed that with the classic “liberal media” chestnut! I almost ruptured something, I was laughing so hard…

Pure comedy gold, CI….you really should take your act to Vegas.

Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

Or Jason Blair for that matter.

I’m a pretty skeptical guy, Wayne, and what I have found is that the right is just as opinionated as the left but at least they don’t make things up and spout them as fact (see Rather, Blair, Rosie, Maher). I think you are reading too much into the conservative noise machine — its purpose is not to confuse so much as to refute the liberal viewpoint that so dominates our airwaves via the MSM and Hollywood.

This sounds so eerily like KKKarl’s predictions of the repugs hanging onto both houses of Congress in 2006 — and many of Mr. Pee’s own predictions of the neo-fascists remaining in control as well. All of which, of course, turned out to be utter lunacy as we’ve come to expect from the right wingnuts like Mr. Pee and his various personae.

See if you can pay attention as we talk very, very slowly, moron: the days of you and your ilk are numbered. January 2009 is the dawning of the return of democracy and intelligence in foreign and domestic policy to this country, once we eliminate the vermin that are currently infesting the Executive Branch of our government and attempting to further their theocratic monarchy.

Whoops — obviously I’ve used WAY too many big words for the reich wingers. Let me try again:

January 2009: See ya, losers.

Thank you, CI, but I doubt I’ll learn many facts from the conservative websites. If you’ve ever read David Brock’s excellent book “The Republican Noise Machine”, you would know that the truth is the last thing that today’s modern conservative movement wants out there. When they are wrong on an issue (whether legally or morally or, as is often the case, both), they attempt to muddy the debate with falsehoods just so that people react with, “Well I hear this on the one hand and that on the other, now I don’t know what the truth is.” They aren’t trying to persuade, they are trying to confuse. And no, I don’t take the NYT as the gospel truth, either (thanks to the likes of Judith miller.)

Chris Dolan

2008 will be great!!”

Comment by Harry The Body — September 13, 2007 @ 12:49 pm

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A new name, Mr. P? No matter. If you are citing the Washington Times as “proof” of the conservative values Americans have, then you are deluded. 2008 WILL be great. For us, as America sweeps the neocons out of power. And a complete surprise for you.

It appears a clear majority of Americans disagree with you:

57% = Americans who believe we made a mistake in invading Iraq (AP/Ipsos poll, Sept. 6-9)

71% = Americans who disapprove of Bush’s handling of Iraq (CBS/NY Times poll, Sept. 4-8)

59% = Americans who believe the removal of Saddam Hussein from power was not worth the loss of American life and other costs of attacking Iraq (CBS/NY Times poll, Sept. 4-8)

That’s an awful lot of people “out of step”.

exactly! … there ya go!
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Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

Good for you Wayne. You are an honest progressive. I’d suggest holding your nose and going to some conservative websites to see what their view is. There’ll be a mix of fact and opinion but I believe you’ll get a more skeptical view than the NY Times will give you who simply says “it is all a great mystery but there’s really nothing to see here folks os let’s move along”

Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince — September 13, 2007 @ 12:43 pm

Before I respond to this, was this directed at me? Because on my screen, my comment is listed as number 39. BTW, if you’re going to address someone like that, it’s helpful to simply copy the entire timestamp (not just the name and date, like some morons do). That way we know to whom your invective is directed.